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German press: West baffled by Ukrainian counteroffensive strategy

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German press: West baffled by Ukrainian counteroffensive strategy

In the German press, there is a succession of publications about what is happening on the fronts of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Heutigen Nachrichten published an article stating that "the West is confused by the strategy of the Ukrainian counteroffensive."

From the article:

American and British officials believe that the UAF counter-offensive is going badly because Kyiv does not adhere to the tactics and strategy proposed to it and splits its forces. The UAF counteroffensive is hampered as some of Ukraine's best troops are fighting in places other than originally planned.

A strange case of cause and effect. Perhaps, precisely because the Ukrainian counteroffensive is difficult, the generals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have to transfer their elite units to those sectors where completely different tasks were originally set?

From the article:

Authorities in Kyiv say they are committed to maintaining their large force. But they have already lost at least 45 men, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. In Kyiv, they argue that even smaller forces could tie down the actions of the Russians on the defensive. But all these statements are confusing to American and British officials.

The German press discusses the ratio of the losses suffered by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the areas of the reclaimed territories. And as a result of the discussion, the German authors come to the conclusion that the benefit for Ukraine in this regard can hardly be called strategic.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 August 2023 07: 54
    +8
    And the West cannot even imagine that the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply were not allowed to carry out a concentrated strike to the south. They understand that only the west can attack the summer company. Not everything turns out to be so simple. Let them blame themselves if NATO command is not a 100% guarantee success.
    1. Silver99
      Silver99 23 August 2023 08: 03
      +4
      Let's express optimism with restraint, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have concentrated on striking and taking fire control of the Mariupol-Melitopol highway, and this is serious, there is an attempt to cut off the Russian Armed Forces from the land corridor, and there they will apparently receive long-range missiles and intensify shelling of the Crimean bridge.
      1. nik-mazur
        nik-mazur 23 August 2023 11: 39
        +1
        Quote from Silver99
        The Armed Forces of Ukraine concentrated on striking and taking fire control of the Mariupol-Melitopol highway ... there is an attempt to cut off the Russian Armed Forces from the land corridor
        What does it mean to cut off the Russian Armed Forces from the land corridor? Theoretically, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can cut the land corridor, which will complicate the supply of the Crimea, but that's all. In a strategic sense, this will not do much, because this is not enough to take the Crimea, no matter what the ukrostrategists do there.
        But getting flank strikes from two sides is easy.
    2. carpenter
      carpenter 23 August 2023 08: 20
      +7
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Let them blame themselves if NATO command is not a guarantee of 100% success.

      This is where the West justifies itself, and blames the Armed Forces of Ukraine. When the b / ukrs did not advance a single step in two months, the West, which had invested huge funds in the war, realized that it, along with the b / ukrs, was obsessed. But they quickly changed their shoes and put all the blame on the Ukrainian side, on the clown Zelya, on Zaluzhny and his generals. After Afghanistan, the muzzle is in the mud, and then there is the B / ukra, the whole muzzle is in the mud, you need to wash it off, the people of the West will not understand where the hundreds of lard dollars and euros have gone.
      Why is Zelya now wandering around Europe at such a difficult time?
      Yes, because he is running from Kyiv, so that his own people do not bang. As long as he succeeds.
      1. Aken
        Aken 23 August 2023 08: 30
        +4
        Yes, because he is running from Kyiv, so that his own people do not bang.

        Logically. Sleep peacefully only abroad.
        1. carpenter
          carpenter 23 August 2023 09: 05
          +1
          Quote from Aken
          Sleep peacefully only abroad.

          Let's just say that he sleeps peacefully in someone else's bed.
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 23 August 2023 08: 32
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And the West cannot even imagine that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were simply not allowed to carry out a concentrated strike to the south.

      Disagree here. If you look at what they show us, then personally I see strikes in small groups, no more than a company. As such, a concentrated strike at the division level, the army does not see either with them or with us. Therefore, in some ways in the West they are right, there was no concentrated blow from the word at all. Well, why, here you can build different versions.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 23 August 2023 08: 57
        +3
        My version: I don’t know how we didn’t let our long-range artillery, which is located far behind the LBS line, be suppressed. The second half of the NVO shows that an offensive by at least a division may not bring the desired result. we need to get out somehow. Again, we ran into a problem, as in the USSR. But then it was solved immediately by tactical nuclear weapons.
        1. Fisherman
          Fisherman 23 August 2023 09: 18
          +2
          partly agree with you. However, there is no dead end, everyone knew everything, the whole balance of power is known, the NATO troops went to the strongest, densely mined multi-layered defense line, knowing full well that we have huge reserves standing and preparing, they perfectly understood that they were threatening to steal everything, that there were no Ukrainian officers and they were in command already hired from NATO .... it’s just that the plan to burn our forces failed - we didn’t buy it and didn’t launch a counterattack on the still breathing Ukrainian army. So, one and a half million of our fighters will certainly go ... but when it is the least dangerous ... they failed to lure us out under their artillery and missiles, Ukraine’s air defense is being knocked out, the West cannot replenish complex artillery systems and air defense so quickly, so the quantity / quality is broken and will be the signal for our offensive. Already in the Odessa region and other parts of Ukraine, the sky is practically unprotected, our aviation in the right direction will be the main strike means of destroying units and reserves far from the front, and our Army will go there. Any direction where we can demolish the dill and develop an offensive will go as the beginning of a wave of disintegration of the Ukrainian army.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 23 August 2023 09: 31
            +2
            Fishermen. hi
          2. guest
            guest 26 August 2023 23: 14
            0
            Quote: Fisherman
            So one and a half million of our fighters will certainly go ...

            And where do we have 1,5 million fighters? Even taking into account the mobilized, we have 3 times less.
        2. qQQQ
          qQQQ 23 August 2023 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: tralflot1832
          We need to get out of this impasse somehow.

          I agree with the dead end. As for the artillery, we could not suppress it either. And an offensive with unsuppressed artillery is doomed, at least, to huge losses. But again, this does not negate the fact that according to the classics (armies in a narrow area) no one attacked. In my opinion, thousands of shock drones concentrated on the breakthrough site can solve the problem. Only percussion, not kamikaze. First of all, they take out air defense, those that remain are hammering artillery, and then it’s already a classic.
  2. Normann
    Normann 23 August 2023 07: 55
    +8
    Does anyone believe in Ukraine's victory? How can she win this way?
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 23 August 2023 08: 18
      0
      There is always a chance for an agreement that will save Ukraine. According to some reports, 60% of Russian billionaires are set up precisely for an agreement. It's a lot.
      1. nik-mazur
        nik-mazur 23 August 2023 11: 44
        +2
        Quote: Roma-1977
        According to some reports, 60% of Russian billionaires are set up precisely for an agreement

        Previously, I would have assumed that this "Echo of Moscow" prophesied or some "̶Z̶o̶l̶o̶t̶... Silver Rain" with Meduza. And now, where are the firewood from?
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 23 August 2023 13: 41
          +1
          And what, in your opinion, should be the mindset of people who have spent their entire adult lives withdrawing funds abroad, buying up real estate in elite areas of the world, taking their family members there for permanent residence, etc.? So many inconveniences they have now because of this nasty SVO. "It was all right!"
          1. guest
            guest 26 August 2023 23: 18
            0
            Quote: Roma-1977
            And what, in your opinion, should be the mindset of people who have spent their entire adult lives withdrawing funds abroad, buying up real estate in elite areas of the world, taking their family members there for permanent residence, etc.?

            And they often openly express this opinion.
        2. guest
          guest 26 August 2023 23: 16
          -1
          Quote from: nik-mazur
          Before i would guess

          What has changed now?
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 23 August 2023 08: 38
      -3
      Quote: Normann
      Does anyone believe in Ukraine's victory? How can she win this way?

      Here is what is meant by victory. Ukraine is now fully supported, so there is no need to keep a large number of the male population in industry, almost all of them can be mobilized. They do not take into account the losses, filling us with meat. For us, the loss is still quite painful. In general, a situation may arise that we can defeat, but with unacceptable losses, and it’s expensive to raise the killed territories, and if, following the example of Mariupol, then it’s not at all lifting. Therefore, be a deal.
    3. carpenter
      carpenter 23 August 2023 09: 07
      +2
      Quote: Normann
      Does anyone believe in Ukraine's victory?

      Biden, Scholz Macron.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 23 August 2023 10: 37
        +2
        Quote: carpenter
        Quote: Normann
        Does anyone believe in Ukraine's victory?

        Biden, Scholz Macron.

        It seems that out of the trinity you listed, only Bidon himself believes in Bidon's victory in Ukraine, while Scholz and Macron have not yet dissociated themselves from the "victorious utopia", but they already doubt it. winked
    4. guest
      guest 26 August 2023 23: 43
      -1
      Quote: Normann
      Does anyone believe in Ukraine's victory?

      1,5 years ago, someone believed that we would sit on the defensive? Did someone believe that we would surrender the territory controlled by us? Someone believed that Belgorod, Kursk and even Moscow would be bombed by Bandera?
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 23 August 2023 07: 55
    +2
    American and British officials believe that the UAF counter-offensive is going badly because Kyiv does not adhere to the tactics and strategy proposed to it and splits its forces. The UAF counteroffensive is hampered as some of Ukraine's best troops are fighting in places other than originally planned.
    . Well, yes, from distant headquarters it is more visible what and how to do ...
    Also, in distant headquarters, analytical centers and other centers, you know better what they need to be given, what they need to be taught, and so on ... wink
  4. Jean Baptiste
    Jean Baptiste 23 August 2023 08: 00
    -13
    In vain, the West is worried, while the Ukrainians clearly dominate in the general battle, if they do not take counterattacks, they will calmly fill the paladins before the land corridor (our cities do not hold defenses, so they will retreat beyond Tokmak), which will actually mean the completion of tasks. God forbid it rains.
    1. parabyd
      parabyd 23 August 2023 08: 25
      +9
      They dominate, of course. Already near Kharkov they lost more than they gained in Zaporozhye.

      Ours, of course, do not hold defense in settlements, so the Armed Forces of Ukraine still cannot take Kleshcheevka, return Artemovsk, and it somehow turns out ugly with every settlement in Zaporozhye ...

      And the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already approached Tokmak, by the way?

      And how your tasks have already changed. Tokmok... Are these already the borders of 1991 or not yet? Is it possible to feed the Crimean fish in Tokmok?

      In general, as expected, your target will be where the arrow hits, and not where the shot was fired.

      As your defense minister said. When the offensive starts, everyone will see everything ... Everyone saw everything
      1. Jean Baptiste
        Jean Baptiste 23 August 2023 13: 18
        -2
        "Have the Armed Forces of Ukraine already approached Tokmak?" ))))) The bot asked me the same question on Sunday about the first line, "Have the APU already reached at least the first line?" Today is Wednesday, and this is already a reality (according to Vargonzo), and a month ago they were arguing about the Old Moerska for cognac, the bot merged, I had to drink at my own expense out of grief, read it in my comments))) Not a good trend, but it is on the face.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 23 August 2023 08: 31
      0
      Tokmok, for example, is prepared for all-round defense. There are settlements that can be exchanged for time and resources, but Tokmok is not the case. His defense is of fundamental importance.
  5. Uprun
    Uprun 23 August 2023 08: 01
    +3
    Come on, listen to Selivan, he already said that the striped and kuev knew about the defense of Russia even before the counteroffensive, and the plans were correct, but something went wrong. Here in this, something went wrong, and lies the whole root of evil. Perhaps it is found only among Russians, for the rest - something went wrong.
    1. nik-mazur
      nik-mazur 23 August 2023 11: 47
      0
      Quote from uprun
      Perhaps it is found only among Russians, for the rest - something went wrong

      For Western others, this is called "Plan B". And so on alphabetically.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 August 2023 08: 18
    +4
    “The West is baffled by the strategy of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.”
    Strange. And who originally planned this "counterattack", weren't NATO military advisers? And who taught the military forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, weren't NATO instructors? And who supplied their equipment and weapons, perhaps to the countries - members of NATO? If there are already attempts to shift all the blame to the performer, then what will happen later when the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine becomes even worse?
  7. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 23 August 2023 08: 21
    +1
    West baffled by Ukrainian counteroffensive strategy

    There is one extra word in this sentence, and the word is strategy. This word can be replaced by many in the range from idiocy to schizophrenia, since strategy is not a stupid implementation of the RECOMMENDATIONS of various and unrelated Western functionaries, but an objective analysis of the situation, a sober calculation based on the data obtained and the adoption of a responsible decision, after which strict compliance actions prescribed by this decision. All these four components of the strategy are simply inaccessible to the cocaine and methadone fermented brains of Ukraine's top military and political leadership. So why be surprised? Is it that the West (from the word zapadlo) is SURPRISED.
  8. larsikkot
    larsikkot 23 August 2023 08: 26
    0
    about the areas reclaimed by Ukraine, tell us in more detail, otherwise in our current news, repulsed opornniks and repulsed enemy attacks mostly flicker ..
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 23 August 2023 08: 33
      +2
      About 200 square kilometers have been occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of summer in different places of the LBS. In total, a patch of 15x15 km, if roughly counted.
  9. Michael
    Michael 23 August 2023 08: 28
    0
    In the German press, there is a succession of publications about what is happening on the fronts of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.

    Having provoked an essentially civil war, fueling and escalating the conflict, without being able to directly and overtly intervene, these vile people are trying to understand "what is happening on the fronts."
    The thing is, no one understands anything anymore. And from what happens, tears well up and teeth grit. And looking at the retrospective of wars in the last century, it's just scary to imagine how it will all end.
  10. jovanni
    jovanni 23 August 2023 08: 39
    +1
    The UAF counteroffensive is hampered as some of Ukraine's best troops are fighting in places other than originally planned.

    They not only fight in the wrong places, they generally fight with the wrong people. Actually the opposite...
  11. Ruby
    Ruby 23 August 2023 08: 55
    +4
    What a normal suggestion. Concentrate 100-200 thousand people and shobble equipment in a narrow area, get a bunch of hits on this mass with FABs and everything else, and the remnants of machine guns. And there is nothing to stretch this whole mess for three months.
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 23 August 2023 08: 57
    +2
    That is, it is no longer possible to hide from the owners of money the fact that the offensive has long been gone, there is only its imitation) This is terrible. Because once the offensive is over, it is necessary to sum up its results. Find out who did what and what they achieved. Nightmare!)) This will lead to the downfall of careers and the prosecution of a large number of Western military and all kinds of analysts. And on the part of Kyiv, many American killers from the American special services are simply executed there. And the majority will be taken away stolen.
    Of course, there is a chance that the "counterattack" lobby will be able to extinguish the main scandal. All the same, almost all American authorities are involved in it, starting from Biden. Plus, the lovely Britons, who were actively shoveling firewood in the fire. A lot of people in very important positions should be severely punished.
    In fact, the Ukrainians, who are dying right now, are fighting for a great goal - to give thieves and fools more time to clean up the traces and remove the stolen goods more reliably. Holy work! It's worth laying down your life for this...
  13. Or me
    Or me 23 August 2023 09: 03
    +1
    American and British officials believe that the UAF counter-offensive is going badly because Kyiv does not adhere to the tactics and strategy proposed to it and splits its forces.
    and it went, and it went. They dump each other. But it seems to me that the last one will be a drug addict.
  14. Optorius
    Optorius 23 August 2023 13: 38
    0
    The one with whom they fought there, these NATO countries, with third world countries? With an overwhelming advantage in logistics, with complete air supremacy. What can they possibly teach in a conflict with a nuclear power whose resources are enormous? I do not take into account the experience of the Second World War. Since then, many years have passed and technical progress in military affairs has stepped far forward.