TASS: a final decision was made to revive the 104th division of the Airborne Forces

A final decision was made to revive the 104th Guards Division of the Russian Airborne Forces. It is expected that this will happen by December 1, 2023.

This message was made in the agency TASS, referring to a source close to the defense department, present at the Army-2023 International Military-Technical Forum.

A final decision was made to recreate the 104th Airborne Division as part of the Airborne Forces (VDV) in the status of an airborne assault division on the basis of the 31st Separate Airborne Assault Brigade

- the interlocutor told reporters.

For the first time, the commander of this branch of the military, Colonel-General Mikhail Teplinskiy, announced the upcoming restoration of this military unit on August 2, when the military personnel of the Airborne Forces celebrated their professional holiday. According to the general, this event should take place before the end of this year, but he did not say when exactly. In addition to the 104th division, two airborne regiments should soon appear in the Airborne Forces.

The 104th Order of Kutuzov Guards Division was originally considered a rifle division. During the Great Patriotic War, she was part of the 9th Guards Army.

Among the samples of weapons and military equipment presented at the Army-2023 forum, there are those that are intended for Russian paratroopers. In particular, we are talking about the control system for the Airborne Forces "Cassiopeia-D".

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

TASS: a final decision was made to revive the 104th division of the Airborne Forces

..... lost crying.

[bayard]

Quote: Mavrikiy

TASS: a final decision was made to revive the 104th division of the Airborne Forces

Only this division should be armed immediately with BMP-3M, BTR-3F and MBT, especially since they are reviving on the basis of the air assault brigade. No parachute fool, except for reconnaissance battalions. Airborne assault division on NORMAL armored vehicles for assault operations.

[Himalayan]

Absolutely right . There should also be real armor for fighters. Complete equipment: from communication - to heat lamps - nightlights

[Rumata]

The division was founded in December 1944. The final formation of the division took place in 1946, when the 104th Guards Rifle Division was reorganized into the 104th Guards Airborne Division of the Order of Kutuzov, which carried its Battle Banner until 1998. In 1998, the division was reformed and reduced to a brigade, receiving the name 31st Separate Guards Airborne Order of Kutuzov Brigade (since 2007 - airborne assault).

[zenion]

Russia does not need enemies for cancer drivers. Everything on the Russian land has its own.

[tralflot1832]

Nothing complicated, in 1998 the 104th Guards, Order of the Kutuzov Airborne Division turned into the 31st Airborne Brigade, now there will be a reverse process. You can only get the banner of the 104th division from the storage. Congratulations to everyone who served earlier in this division on its return to service. Glory to the motherland.

[Alex777]

Quote: tralflot1832

.Congratulations to all who served earlier in this division on its return to service. "Honour to yourself, glory to the Motherland."

Finally, the direction of development is correct.
As my mother-in-law said: better late than in the morning.

[seacap]

Not everything is so simple and easy, but officers, sergeants, command staff, organization and logistics of services, barracks dosov and training fund, etc. etc., all this requires considerable funds. I’m not even talking about combat coordination and organization of the b / n, military air force. Of course, in any case, this is good news. I remember that in my time, the seven were also smashed, bless you, and then they realized it.

[Dmitriy356]

The news sounds good. However, it is possible to recreate 10 divisions and 20, but who will serve?

[hazarn]

Quote: Dmitriy356

who will serve?

No wonder they adopted the laws, they will find manpower .. For the general, the more parts, the thicker the stars. The question is different - America feeds the crest, and who will finance such an increase in us, because of a good life, all these parts were reduced .. And the current exchange rate of $ 100 at XNUMX rubles will seem like flowers

[isv000]

Quote from hazarn

And the current exchange rate of $ 100 will seem like flowers

Yes, at least 200! That's absolutely purple, because my economy does not have fascist papers in circulation ...

[Escariot]

Only all imports are in dollars, and, accordingly, their prices in rubles will also increase. And we import from nails to Moskvich.

[Glagol1]

About import. No need to exaggerate. I'm doing repairs. My wife and I reviewed a cloud of wallpapers, in the end we chose wallpapers from a factory from St. Petersburg. And not cheap, just really liked. Wallpaper glue. Our. Putty knife. Our. Nails are exported, not imported. Well, I mixed up the plus with the minus, nonsense ...

[Yaroslavl]

The dearest, domestic product is considered when domestic technologies, equipment, raw materials, vehicles, etc. are involved in the entire chain of manufacture and logistics ... in the manufacture of our wallpaper, nails, etc., for example, up to 50% of imported components are used ... even our allegedly vaunted grain is not ours at all, because it is processed and harvested by imported agricultural equipment ... with imported planting material and fertilizer ... I find it difficult to say what we do exactly ourselves ... well, just probably nothing ...

[Beck69]

What about children? I hope we do them in Russia without the help of the decaying West? Well, at least I tried myself.

[dmi.pris1]

Oh well? Grandma, how much is a carrot? ... Why is it so expensive? So the dollar has risen in price! And what does the carrot have to do with it? ..

[AA17]

since my economy has no fascist papers in circulation...

Dear isv000
Beautifully said. It seems that you are an independent person.
But most of the Russian industry works on foreign machine tools, spare parts for which are purchased on "fascist papers". Yes, wherever you spit in Russia, even in the food industry, even in pharmaceuticals, etc. everyone needs components, "consumables", spare parts that are purchased with "fascist money".
Even cat food is made from foreign ingredients. Listened to Vesti FM this afternoon. Information has passed: animal feed will grow in price.
Soon you will feel on yourself, in your wallet, what 100 rubles is. per dollar.
And when will 200 rubles. for 1 dollar, I think you will not be "purple" at all.
But, if you are on the FORBES list, then it will be really purple for you.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: AA17

Soon you will feel on yourself, in your wallet, what 100 rubles is. per dollar.
And when will 200 rubles. for 1 dollar, I think you will not be "purple" at all.

A year ago, it was almost 50... the government had to artificially stop its fall and stimulate the weakening of the ruble. Now he is 101. Almost doubled. But I don't notice any difference either. There are no green wrappers in my assets. And the goods that I buy (and like most of us) are not traded for dollars at all. And for a couple of yuan / ruble.

[DenD]

That's when you get a salary in rubles, for August, and buy goods in September, then we can talk. Leave the topic bookmarked, exactly until September 15th. It is on the 15th that we will return to the yuan / ruble pair and "there are no goods for green papers."
If you agree, nod

[Damask]

Let's wait and see, I remember when last time I jumped over 100, they also shouted guard here

[cat Rusich]

Quote: AA17

Even cat food is made from foreign ingredients. Listened to Vesti FM this afternoon. Information has passed: animal feed will grow in price.
.

Need to translate seals for domestic feed - "Mouse".

[Kusja]

Damn this food. From him, my koshans have either diarrhea or scrofula. I feed meat from domestic cattle grown on feed that cannot be grown without green papers ...

[perm18]

and that you Katz are offering to surrender. Well, the price goes up, so what. to roar and raise your paws. but that's who you are. you can immediately run abroad and repent there.

[DenD]

Yes, at least 200! That's absolutely purple, because my economy does not have fascist papers in circulation ...
***
Most Russians don't give a damn about the dollar exchange rate, MP Aksakov.

“I follow the ruble-dollar ratio based on my work. From the point of view of the majority of the population, this ratio does not care. The situation is under the control of the state,” he said, adding that “citizens receive a salary, and smiles and no stress are visible on their faces.”

Mr. Aksakov, re-login.

[Alex777]

Now there is a purchase of assets from those who have escaped or are unfriendly.
Buying time is the best. Half price and at the rate of 100.
The process will end - the ruble will rise. By the end of the year they may be in time.

[Terator]

Blessed is he who believes .. The text of your comment is too short and according to the administration

[private person]

That's absolutely purple, because my economy does not have fascist papers in circulation ...

I also don’t have these same dollars, but still the number of rubles on my card depends on the price of the dollar. The more expensive the dollar, the faster the rubles are spent (the prices of almost everything rise).

[cast iron]

Does your economy produce smartphones, computers, chips, microwaves, refrigerators, audio systems and other electronics on its own components? No? Well then, I congratulate you - a simple hike for an audio speaker will soon be an overwhelming task for you. The salary is not enough.

[Deon59]

Violet, then that prices are tied to green papers. You can scoff as much as you like, green top, prices in Russia are up

[Terator]

Yours???? Do you have economy? Looks like you take money from the nightstand? ... Forbid pennies to write in VO !!!

[Alex Tarkhov]

We need to stop stealing and legalize income and taxes. And there will be paradise

[Al manah]

Gotta stop stealing

Necessarily, right after "breathe".

[bessonov932]

Nenada!!! I'm not young, but I don't want to go to heaven!

[Vyacheslav. A.]

We have enough money for everything! The main thing is not to listen to the Kudrins and .... And invest money not in American securities, but in the economy!

[Neo-9947]

Yah?
In the airborne?
Tell me how many people are in the place of the competition in the Ryazan VVDKU them. V.F. Margelov?
At 14 there were 10 people.

[Rom8681]

Quote: tralflot1832

Nothing complicated, in 1998 the 104th Guards Airborne Division of the Order of Kutuzov turned into the 31st Airborne Brigade, now there will be a reverse process

And equipment, weapons, equipment, personnel, etc.

[igorbrsv]

Technology and stuff is not a problem. But the personnel is yes

[UAZ 452]

If by technology we mean rusty and dismantled junk from storage bases, then yes - no problem. But with such equipment, the people recruited for mobilization will again quickly run out.

[Alex Tarkhov]

Stop whining. You whine like a grandmother. There will be equipment, but it’s not pleasant to fight with such whiners

[AAK]

How to re-form (reform from a brigade) an airborne division is not such a big problem ... The fundamental question is why do we need the growth of the airborne forces, when the SVO clearly showed the impossibility of fully fulfilling a combat mission in modern combined arms combat with underarmed airborne units ... and losing well-trained personnel without arming them with everything necessary is a crime. And where will these guys land by parachute? If parachutes are no longer relevant, then why form parts of the Airborne Forces? We need motorized riflemen, artillerymen, missilemen, UAV operators, pilots, helicopter pilots, etc. even border guards are needed, but where to land the troops is unknown ...

[Arnok]

We need motorized riflemen, artillerymen, missilemen, UAV operators, pilots, helicopter pilots, etc. even border guards are needed, but where to land the troops is unknown ...

I'm afraid to look for logic in the current realities is useless. There was also news recently about the construction of a helicopter carrier in Kerch ... Also gorgeous, I think ...

[Terator]

I support .. everyone has already seen that everything will be landed almost immediately after crossing the border ... Why so many costs?

[Vyacheslav. A.]

I think the concept of the use and development of the Airborne Forces has already been revised taking into account the experience gained

[Escariot]

The airborne division is being revived in the status of an airborne assault division, which in the near future will be used as a motorized rifle division, but with weapons and an airborne assault staff.

[BMP-2]

Yeah. CBO can already be renamed to "Operation" Y "", judging by the number of decisions of the form "so that the enemies do not guess"!
Ps: Paratroopers - honor and respect!

[Escariot]

The problem is that if a division by state is an air assault division, then it will be given weapons as an air assault division, i.e. BMD-2 (because BMD-4M was not even enough for existing brigades) the staffing level will also be less than that of a motorized rifle division

[BMP-2]

It's true. I will say more: in the short term, this division is unlikely to be involved in solving tasks typical of the Airborne Forces. A vision for the future? Then why right now - are there really no other tasks that are more important?

[uav80]

And most importantly, completely forget about parachutes and jumps, engage in coordination and combat training of units ..
PS: spending time and money on landing training does not justify itself from the word at all, everything is good only in films and then Soviet ones, but as the lessons of the SVO showed, without the timely approach of the main units with heavy weapons, these are suicidal ideas ...

[Old tanker]

The fact of the matter is that the Airborne Forces in their modern form have become obsolete. Parts of the Airborne Forces and Army Special Forces in addition to them are used as elite infantry, but light infantry. Even before the SVO, units of the Airborne Forces began to be equipped with tanks. And in this case, what kind of peedrosque through the air can we talk about? Purely, in my opinion, in each district it is necessary to have an airborne assault brigade (as there were dshbr in the border districts of the USSR, and then a few remained in Russia, but not so long ago they were subordinated to the Airborne Forces). But the brigades are precisely airmobile-assault helicopters. What Gostomel's experience eloquently speaks about. And in the reserve of the Supreme to leave one full-fledged airborne assault division. Which should have a regiment on air-transported equipment (there is still not enough to transfer the capabilities of the BTA anyway) and two regiments on heavy equipment. But their personnel must be trained to act as light infantry and also have the means of fire support necessary for it. This division is the reserve of the Supreme in case in peacetime it is necessary to urgently project force over a distance. As it was with the turmoil in Kazakhstan.

[Smirnov Sergey]

Probably, as in the phrase motorized infantry, the emphasis should be on the word 'rifle', and in the phrase airborne assault, the emphasis should be on the word 'assault'.

[Escariot]

Assault units should have the most protected vehicles, and airborne units should have BMD with aluminum armor.

[Nikolay310]

And it was very expensive for our elite units near Kiev in February 22 ...

[alystan]

104th Order of Kutuzov Guards Division originally considered a rifle.

It is not clear why they created a rifle division on the basis of the already guards division of the Airborne Forces?

The 104th Guards Rifle Division was created on December 30, 1944 on the basis of the 11th Guards Airborne Division.

And again, two years later, she is returned to her former status:

According to the order of the Deputy Minister of the USSR Armed Forces, General of the Army N.A. Bulganin dated June 10, 1946 No. 0010 The Directorate of the 9th Guards Army was reorganized into the Directorate of the Airborne Troops of the USSR Armed Forces, and all its corps and divisions, including the 104th Guards Rifle Division of the 38th Guards Rifle Corps, were reorganized into airborne.

And now its full-fledged revival of the division, along with the slogan "Honour to yourself, glory to the Motherland!"
The combat equipment of the division is easily identified by the drawn symbol - the scorpion.

[Vadim S]

You can’t write much, the article is already, but I know that the same thing has already happened over these 1.5 years.

[75 Sergey]

We will not do anything against Serdyukov - as an example and to determine the position of power?!

[UAZ 452]

Serdyukov reduced the division to a brigade in 1998? Here is the enemy!

[svp67]

I am glad that the illustrious unit is returning to service, but I don’t understand yet in what form it will be revived. Does Russia now need a new parachute formation? Maybe it would be better if it was revived in the form of an air assault.

[Sergej1972]

So the news explicitly states that it will be revived as an air assault. It is necessary to read the discussed material completely, to the end.

[svp67]

Quote: Sergej1972

So the news explicitly states that it will be revived as an air assault. It is necessary to read the material under discussion in full, to

You are almost right, except that you didn't pay attention to this line

In addition to the 104th division, two airborne regiments should soon appear in the Airborne Forces.

Here is what General Shamanov recently announced

At the same time, as previously reported by the president of the Russian Association of Heroes, the former commander of the Airborne Forces, Hero of Russia, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov, the new division will consist of three regiments, we are talking about parachute regiments. It will also include artillery and anti-aircraft missile regiments.

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https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/14/1225721.html

[Nikolay310]

The same Shamanov who stopped Chile and the second ghoul with his tongue ??

It’s worth listening to less of all these gurulevs, sables and other gender maps ... they still live in battles with Murat, or even Mamai

[Nike]

Where was this division based before disbanding?

[Hunter]

Kirovobad (Ganja), after in Ulyanovsk

[Comrade I]

Landing, but at the same time assault. Those. adapted for air transport, i.e. without heavy equipment? And what are they attacking?

[Escariot]

Oh no. The air assault battalion has a fourth tank company in the state. Yes, and it is the 31st brigade that is equipped with the BMP-2, but this is not accurate.

[dump22]

They switched to brigades, then back to divisions. Interesting!

In general, this "news" is as old as ... a mammoth.
You can re-publish it so regularly and everyone will rejoice:
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14387377

April 15 2022
The new division of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation will have a three-regiment composition

The plan for the development of the Airborne Forces (VDV) of Russia provides for the re-creation of the fifth division in their composition - the 104th Guards Airborne Assault Division (VDD) ... on the basis of the 31st separate airborne assault brigade.
Earlier, a TASS source close to the military department reported on the possible re-creation of the 104th division.

[voyaka uh]

"We switched to brigades, then again to divisions." ///
----
Then to the army.
And they want platoon groups of two squads to attack.
Two infantry fighting vehicles, one tank.
That's the whole force of the assault.

[cast iron]

In a serious war with a strong enemy, all large formations will be destroyed from afar by precision-guided weapons. It would be pointless to go on the attack with an armada of tanks - they will destroy half of them on the way. The tactics of small groups assume that they will not use expensive precision-guided munitions, which means they have more chances to approach the enemy.

[FoBoss_VM]

Again, everything on paper will be with the plywood marshal. We know, we have already passed ... They will now draw both personnel and equipment. And in fact, mobs will fight again. It is necessary to change the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the head of the General Staff, deputies and assistants. Why, upon dismissal, check the sweet and the prosecutor's office of EVERYONE and their activities through the prism of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

[Ile ham]

A rhetorical question - will anyone ever pay for everything lost during the years of perestroika, the "dashing 90s", the years of "optimization" and the 2s ??

[bessonov932]

"What will you do with the money if you win a million?
I will distribute debts!
And the rest?
And the rest will wait!

[cast iron]

The people have been paying for 35 years out of their own pocket, in case you haven't noticed by now. Prices are rising, financial slavery is increasing in size. The people will pay. This is the meaning of capitalism.

[Vodila]

With such a birth rate (under the current government), soon there will not be enough guys for a battalion.

[Vadim S]

Gold words! They will recruit from neighboring republics, uh, we’ll fight then!

[cast iron]

First of all, one must ask oneself when one laments about the low birth rate? How many children do you personally have? Two? Few! You need at least three! That's when you can lament about everyone else.

[Nikolay310]

It is necessary and 5ro ... but there are gardens for children? And doctors in children's polyclinics? Will private owners pay maternity leave? And the state will not drop the ruble to 150, etc. and so on ... now it’s not peasant Russia, where they gave birth to children ... now with this they will send you to Nazran and Makhachkala .. they give birth a lot ... only there’s no sense in this ...

[bravo77]

and the 1st Reinforcement Corps will be created, at least with the t-55
but at least what memories remain

[bravo77]

Quote: Dmitriy356

The news sounds good. However, it is possible to recreate 10 divisions and 20, but who will serve?

Shoigu's son-in-law on Skype

[bravo77]

Quote: svp67

I am glad that the illustrious unit is returning to service, but I don’t understand yet in what form it will be revived. Does Russia now need a new parachute formation? Maybe it would be better if it was revived in the form of an air assault.

the connection is glorified not by decrees and the name
and people (backbone) transferring knowledge and experience

what will be glorified there?

[AlexWar]

Do we need such a branch of the troops as the Airborne Forces, if now even planes have ceased to fly over the territory of the enemy .. The Airborne Forces, as there were cavalry divisions with checkers in their time.
Armament of the Airborne Forces instead of heavy, gets light. And throw them into hell.
For example, I am in favor of calling these troops some kind of special forces. It would be correct to call them special forces of motorized rifle troops. Type Don-100, special forces. They won't fly in the sky anyway.
It is necessary to prepare more units such as the GRU special forces, for reconnaissance in force
Special Forces Intelligence.
Soviet example
In October 1989, by decision of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the formation of the Operational Division of Internal Troops - DON 100 began. parts of the Baltic, Belorussian, Kiev military districts.

When creating, the famous Dzerzhinsky division was taken as a model. As a result, a combat-ready division was created that passed through all the hot spots.

The division included:

department of Novocherkassk military unit 3660

46 MON Cossack camps military unit 3654

47 MON Cossack camps military unit 3655

48 PON Novocherkassk military unit 3656

93rd mechanized regiment of military unit 5138 (tank regiment on the T-62, in Chechnya they were often called "tank special forces")

97 OBS Novocherkassk military unit 3657

99 ORVB Persianovka military unit 3658

1 OR RHBZ Novocherkassk military unit 3659

186 OISB military unit 3665

KECh Persianovka military unit 3667

7 OSPN "Rosich" military unit 3719

86 OBMO Persianovka military unit 3639

4 UADN Cossack camps military unit 5382

106 separate medical battalion

ORB

29 OVK Novocherkassk military unit 3721

w / h 3666

The personnel of the division received its first baptism of fire in the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAR), where in December 1989 it was sent to maintain the state of emergency in the NKAR and adjacent regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan, escort and protect national economic cargo, free hostages, and disarm illegal armed groups, seizures of unrecorded weapons and ammunition from the population.

In 2006, in the course of reforming the internal troops, the 100th DON was reorganized into the 50th separate operational brigade. Since April 5, 2016, it has been part of the National Guard troops (Rosguard).
In fact, since 2016, we have lost combat units.

[cast iron]

Airmobile, well-trained, highly mobile troops are needed. The whole army will not be able to do this. Too expensive and there are not enough planes / helicopters for everyone. It’s impossible to make simple motorized riflemen into automobiles from time to time. They simply do not have the skills to quickly load helicopters and planes. This requires training in drugs and constant training. But parachute landing should be left to one or two relatively small formations. And it’s not a fact that specific airborne equipment needs to be designed for them. If my memory serves me right, parachute dropping of equipment was carried out only during exercises. It is impossible to use this technique in large quantities in wars.

[Nikolay310]

At the beginning of the NWO, there was an idea to use an airborne assault. In Ivanovo, like Ila, they were already loaded ... well, someone was smart enough to cancel it ... otherwise ...

[Nikolay310]

The cavalry was in the Second World War in case of a breakthrough, as mobile troops. But at the same time, they were also ready to act as infantry .. in Kashira, the stella stands in memory of the horsemen of Belov's cavalry division, who stopped Guderian in that place

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Great news! But why these half-measures? It is necessary to reformat the entire army into the Airborne Forces. Let there be only solid airborne forces - and leave one battalion of "mahr" so that the blue berets have someone to feel superior to.

[Anadyrean]

The experience of the SVO has shown that it is necessary to develop and equip excellently, first of all, DShB, and train attack aircraft very well. Wagner's experience would be most welcome in this situation.

[Nikolay310]

The reduction of the army was originally either stupidity or betrayal. But rather both the one and the other at the same time...

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

Yes, our rulers know how to destroy first (having justified the people how they will live well. Armies. Divisions of the base around the world. Groups of troops. Military-industrial complex) and then create explaining to the people how good they are. At the same time, exploiting the feelings of a fast people. Forgetting the axiom: who does not feed his Army, feeds someone else's. And everything is very simple; they can’t get drunk in any way. Rapilivaya and plundering everything their little hands can reach!