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Is it advisable to call women into the Russian army? Poll

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Should women serve in the army?

Yes, why not? We have equality - 744 (21.95%)
21.95%
Only if the woman herself wants it - 1587 (46.83%)
46.83%
Not! To protect the homeland - the duty of men - 967 (28.53%)
28.53%
I am a woman, and I do not want to serve in the army. I have a manicure and spa procedures - 50 (1.48%)
1.48%
Other, in the comment - 41 (1.21%)
1.21%
Last week came from the State Duma news that the deputies will soon be ready to discuss the issue of recruiting women aged from 18 to 27 in the Russian army. Such information could not but cause a discussion. In order not to lead the reader into a state of stupor, you must immediately declare that the deputies plan to make the service of conscription in the army for girls voluntary. You want - go, you want - do not go. One of the possible options, which is discussed in the Duma sidelines, looks like a mass mailing of subpoenas from district military registration and enlistment offices to all girls who have reached the age of 18, who have not reached the age of 27. It is planned that, having received such an agenda, the girl herself will be able to decide whether to respond to it or just ignore it.

Is it advisable to call women into the Russian army? Poll


The State Duma deputy from the Communist Party faction Vladimir Komoyedov, who heads the defense committee, says that serving women in the modern army is effectively practiced by some states of the world, and this does not contradict the fact that a woman can consciously fulfill the tasks of protecting the borders of the Fatherland.

On the one hand, such words have a rational basis. After all, there are many girls in Russia who show an interest in the military profession and themselves want to get into the military system. At the same time, these girls often have the most illusive opportunities to start studying in modern military universities, especially after certain optimizing procedures, for example. And if a female has a certain interest in military service, then why should the state not really give those who wish such an opportunity. Moreover, one can take into account the fact that modern girls look at military service much more positively than young people. If we evaluate the statistics that have begun to appear lately, then about a quarter of all girls who have reached 18-year-olds express a desire to serve in the ranks of the Russian army. Of course, 10-12 percent from this number can be eliminated according to certain psychological criteria, because often talking about military service for a young girl is a banal bravado and a desire to please this or that guy, but the rest could have realized their wish. As they say, if a woman wants, then she should not be denied ... The deputies, apparently, also decided to attend to this issue.
However, this medal has its downside. This side is expressed at once in several problems that cannot but be mentioned. The fact is that women in the army, as they say, exist today (there are about 50 thousands), most of whom are employed in staff positions (financiers, secretaries, scribes), a large number of women are military doctors. All this is good, but the question immediately arises: is the Russian army ready to receive an additional number of servicemen who will serve in similar positions, or do the army still need combat-ready units ... Obviously, it would be much better to attract female servicemen to direct service, connected not with filling in reference accounts and other documents, but with the reality of military affairs, if, of course, women themselves wish to do so.

But today the Ministry of Defense is unlikely to offer suitable conditions for women specifically for this service, let's say, for the service “with meat”, under which they will weapon, and combat, and new communication systems to master the technique, and take part in exercises. Unfortunately, it’s one thing to say that a woman wants to serve, which means you need to meet her in such a desire to meet, and it’s quite another thing to form a suitable base for this kind of service. One may refer to the fact that women perfectly fulfill the military duties assigned to them in the Israeli army (in the border, infantry and even artillery troops), but there are solid traditions in Israel in this regard. Women in this country are liable for military service, and this state of affairs was formed not because of someone else’s whims, but for reasons of real need, because Israel has actually been in a state of ongoing struggle for a place under the sun since its existence. And in such a situation, military traditions for both sexes are formed in much more natural ways than the usual expression of proposals from deputies.

Of course, one could only be glad for those women who would have had the opportunity to realize their dream and go through conscription service in the ranks of the Russian army. But in this case, it’s still worth starting not with sending agendas to women, but with preparing conditions for this kind of service (if, of course, such conditions are really planned to be introduced). But it may happen that the deputies will pass a law, according to which the military registration and enlistment offices will make proposals to women for military service, and they will take on the proposals, and they will respond en masse ... Then, in the military units, the commanders will wrestle: where do they send the girls?

After all, there are other problems: from having enough uniforms to accommodating girls in barracks. Well, you see, they are not in the same beds with male soldiers to sleep ... Although the latter will only be happy about this ... But as an option to popularize the conscription service, it's very much nothing ... And if without jokes, then really only one problem, let's say , women's dislocation can be a big question, if, of course, the deputies do not plan to “allocate” one or two ladies of military age and status to the military unit ...

And with the agendas themselves somehow everything is ambiguous. Here, perhaps, I agree with the opinion of Lev Ponomarev, who says that the mass distribution of “invitations” to the service for girls aged from 18 to 27 years alone can cost a lot of money. Not only that many young men of the male gender often ignore the agenda, to put it mildly, and if 75-80% of female recruits also ignore them, the spending looks a bit rash.

In this case, if the legislators are really going to consider the issue of conscription of girls for military service, based on their desires, then you can go the other way: working with educational institutions in which girls study. The leadership of schools, NGOs and vocational schools, universities could provide the military commissariat with lists of those students and students who deliberately express a desire to do military service by conscription. Such an approach will lead to substantial savings of funds and will create options for individual work with each of those who have expressed such a desire. In addition, it is also possible to organize special receptions in the military registration and enlistment offices themselves, where the girl could apply for a call-up service.

However, all these actions should be carried out only when the army itself and its leadership will be ready to provide women military personnel with a full set of conditions for high-quality army service. Here is the case when flooding a fever for the sake of positive accountability is simply unacceptable, and here, unfortunately, it is often the tick in the required column that decides a lot ...

Let us hope that the initiative with the voluntary appeal of women for military service will be comprehensively discussed, and in addition, detailed studies will be conducted to find out: is there a significant percentage of girls who are ready to give some time for a “deadline” and carry out real, including combat missions. Otherwise, the initiative itself can turn into another populism.
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  1. andrey903
    andrey903 24 December 2012 08: 41
    +15
    So Serdyukov seems to have already begun the call of the Amazon, the women's battalion, Vasiliev
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 24 December 2012 18: 39
      +3
      Yes, in theory, the girls may well serve, and it’s not necessary to crawl through the mud with the machine, the Army has many other useful functions, for example, the same orderlies as 70 years ago.
      1. Anti
        Anti 24 December 2012 18: 55
        +5
        I do not think that it is a good idea in peacetime to call women into America. They must give warriors to their homeland. wink Well, in the event of war, and so all will be on the defensive.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 50
          0
          And the kitchen, right?
        2. slav4ikus
          slav4ikus 21 February 2013 18: 13
          0
          I am very doubtful about these words. a good part of the population will hide in who's where, the other part will rush abroad, but those who have something to lose will remain protected.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 51
        0
        They crawl well in the mud with a gun. Not all, but many are no worse than guys
        1. andrklimanov
          andrklimanov 28 December 2012 18: 13
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          many are no worse than guys

          considering what guys are today (not all but many) wassat soon some girls will serve laughing
      3. Lucky
        Lucky 25 December 2012 14: 09
        0
        And the woman’s eyes will delight!)

        And the woman’s eyes will delight!)
        1. andrklimanov
          andrklimanov 28 December 2012 18: 16
          +2
          Quote: Lucky
          And the woman’s eyes will delight!)

          glad tongue she will be, but not an eye !!! laughing
      4. andrklimanov
        andrklimanov 28 December 2012 18: 10
        +1
        on call by a nurse? is it 50 \ 50% of the personnel))) for each fighter is his personal orderly? I would go to serve again)) repeatedly, and remained on the contract laughing laughing laughing
      5. Lesnik
        Lesnik 12 December 2013 23: 35
        +1
        I saw lieutenant colonels in the upper headquarters 4n4 in size from lieutenant to lieutenant colonel, then in decree, then abroad, a soldier in the eyes did not see one word "lieutenant colonel", they shift pieces of paper from the left edge of the table to the right laughing glyadish and become generals
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 24 December 2012 20: 35
      -1
      These are not the same! These are more like a harem for the boss. And the rest why not! Now girls are different than boys, and even bolder and more reckless (although this feeling is not positive). In our time, the boys have become infantile, they cannot tear themselves away from their mother's boobs (not all, but a third for sure), the sick or their health have been spoiled with glue or other drugs, and the services are afraid like fire. Girls can be used in radio engineering, automobile (on "UAZ", passenger cars), medical battalions, and even in the Air Force and East Kazakhstan in positions that do not require physical strength.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 24 December 2012 20: 59
        +2
        Quote: starshina78
        Now the other girls are stronger than the boys, and bolder and more reckless (although this feeling is not positive). Nowadays, boys have become infantile, they can’t tear themselves away from their mother’s (not all, but a third for sure), patients or health have spoiled with glue or other drugs, and services are afraid like fire.

        This is the other side of the same coin. The social roles of the sexes are turned inside out. And the sex that considers itself "strong" will never agree to erase from its life at least a year or two for pregnancy, childbirth and normal childcare. What are the diaper-undershirts and breastfeeding? While girlfriends hang out in the bar or trample the pedals of SUVs. As a result, the baby (rarely more) was handed out somehow, thrown into relatives or in a round-the-clock nursery, from the first days on artificial feed (because mother's there - moonshine in half with nicotine). Immunity at zero, constant sores and NO upbringing. And then we are surprised that the kid shies away from his own shadow ... He was not raised normal. He simply does not know and has never seen what ROD is and why it needs to be protected. And how - all the more has no idea. A wolf will not grow out of such a thing, it is useless for procreation ...
        For girls, with this method of "education", a slightly different "survival program" is switched on. This is not psychology, much deeper, the usual biology of the survival of the species. Since the genus to which she belongs turned out to be "biologically untenable" (newborns are very sensitive to this), from the first days she learns to manage herself, to survive in any conditions. And ... to look for individuals of a more successful genus in order to obtain more viable offspring. It is from here that marriages with Caucasians, Arabs, etc. come, the conscious desire to "get well settled" is only superimposed on the subconscious biological program.
      2. staser
        staser 24 December 2012 21: 22
        -1
        Now the other girls are stronger than the boys, and bolder and more reckless

        They didn’t choose the very guys and picked up stronger girls. It’s ridiculous. If we compare, then a weak girl with a weak kid, strong with a strong one, and there is such a thing as an average grade. In our school, a weak, weak little guy threw a grenade as the strongest sports girl.
  2. sefirs
    sefirs 24 December 2012 08: 55
    -3
    And why not?
    Our women are often bolder than our men:


    Where Russia begins,
    Where the red sun rises
    Good woman Masha
    According to the registration lives.
    Masha works in the newspaper,
    Masha’s work is difficult,
    For everything that is happening in the world
    The answer is only Masha alone.
    The authorities are not much afraid -
    I scored with the device at all,
    Free from birth like a bird
    Does not know obstacles and hindrances.
    Lunch, in between, cook
    Jack pot, if necessary, rip off
    Kamaz will stop the race
    And take off the dried inlet
    But then flew into the capital,
    What a hangover,
    And this must happen -
    She was in the Kremlin,
    Where is the master of the shock word,
    What people respect so much
    A man named Vova
    The third time he lives.
    He lives specifically bulls,
    Throwing ponds much,
    And his place in no
    He will never give it to anyone.
    Neither Merkel, nor even Obama,
    Well, unless only to myself,
    No wonder he bit his teeth
    In a tough Nanai fight.
    And suddenly we learned from Masha,
    To the ears, not believing their own,
    What place is still at the bucket
    Not yet mastered by him.
    But it already seemed to me
    For a variety of reasons,
    What more is completely gone
    In a country of real men.
    Thank you our heart,
    Bow to our deepest earthly
    You, Masha Solovyanenko -
    Of all of us, one man ...
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 24 December 2012 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: sefirs
      You, Masha Solovyanenko

      I liked the poem. And who is Masha Solovyanenko?
      1. Normal
        Normal 24 December 2012 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        And who is Masha Solovyanenko?

        This is the lady who at the VVP pre-conference in response to his: "Masha, sit down" said "Thank you, Vova"
        Type in a search engine - pretty funny ...
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 24 December 2012 15: 42
          0
          Quote: Normal
          This is the lady who at the VVP pre-conference in response to his: "Masha, sit down" said "Thank you, Vova"
          Type in a search engine - pretty funny.

          Thank you, I will definitely find it.
    2. bart74
      bart74 25 December 2012 01: 05
      -2
      Hey moron composing an ode
      Devoting her to a moron
      Rubbing people today
      "What a heroic Masha!"

      And Masha is yours just a boor
      Disgrace of women of Russia
      Be more polite to all be asked
      But your Masha is not like that

      In short, I saw this "miracle". I was jarred that it was impossible to be so familiar with the head of Russia. And all "men" who will exaggerate such a deviation from the accepted norms, use TANTUM VERDE imports. Where have you been and where are you a "man" that you hide behind a rude and ill-mannered woman ?!
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 26 December 2012 13: 06
        +1
        don't go to extremes either one way or the other smile I didn’t see any crime at all - it’s incomprehensible when the joyful bogs shout that she let him down. Masha would have said that to call her Maria duValon deBrasier de Pierrefonds - then they would have turned to her, but it seems to me that Putin was expecting a normal performance (like Maria Petrovna), and when Maria heard, he decided to pin her up with "Masha", and Masha had a finger do not put in your mouth - answered the same - no big deal - democratically under ... each other's zeros))
  3. mar.tira
    mar.tira 24 December 2012 08: 56
    +25
    I prefer women in the army only in communications, hospitals, the canteen, and in the amateur art circles of garrisons!
    1. Alekseir162
      Alekseir162 24 December 2012 11: 26
      +9
      Oleg agrees with you, a woman should somehow set off the harsh army everyday life. And men should go on the attack and on guard.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 52
      0
      Let's be simpler - we will forbid them to study at schools
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 13 December 2013 00: 47
        0
        I agree and hijab without fail laughing
  4. erased
    erased 24 December 2012 08: 59
    +9
    Survived ...
    Women served in the army back in Soviet times. But according to a purely personal decision. And dispensed with subpoenas. If now a woman wants to join the army, she herself will go, why should she be called up? Moreover, legislative consolidation of mandatory attendance is not expected. Or...
    Or is it another trick with cutting the funds allocated for this business? Not a very large amount, but with the ability to bribe bureaucrats, someone can warm their hands. AND?
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 24 December 2012 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: erased
      If now a woman wants to join the army, she herself will go, why should she be called up?


      Because if it’s going now, it’s very likely that it will be sent there to hell. A friend after school came to the military enlistment office, they said that only the wives of the military men were taken to the service and that’s all. This law is not made in order to drive women into the army, but so that they are less likely to encounter obstacles in the military enlistment offices of our country.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 53
        0
        Exactly
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 13 December 2013 00: 48
          0
          True what? what's stupid ballast?
          1. Lesnik
            Lesnik 13 December 2013 00: 59
            0
            During training at the Royal Air Force base in Buckinghamshire, women had to march in step with men, taking steps in 76 cm long. According to the victims, aligning with taller men led to serious injuries to the spine and hip joints. After five years of litigation, during which the UK Ministry of Defense repeatedly accused the plaintiffs of exaggerating their suffering, women of 17, 22 and 23 years received compensation for 9 years of lost wages and pension allowances.
            "This case is absolutely ridiculous - it is happening in a country of absurdity," says former British Secretary of Defense Gerald Howard.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 December 2012 11: 47
      +11
      Quote: erased
      Women served in the army back in Soviet times. But according to a purely personal decision.


      In the USSR, women of certain specialties were considered liable for military service and in the case of mobilization, they were called up on an equal footing with men, as far as I remember. And if you recall the story, the appearance of women in the ranks of the Russian Armed Forces occurred even earlier than in the countries of Europe and America and especially Israel, whose experience apparently guides the drafters of the project on draft women for military service.
      Already in Military Statute of Peter the Great, published in 1716, women were prescribed to perform military service at military hospitals, in economic and sanitary work in the army.
      The famous favorite of Catherine II, Grigory Potemkin went even further and long before any American “Jane soldiers” he created in Crimea An "Amazon company" of wives and daughters of officers. The ladies possessed all the skills of professional warriors - they owned weapons perfectly, rode excellently, and were distinguished by courage. The company received the highest praise of the empress herself, but nevertheless was soon disbanded. No one doubted the fighting qualities of women, but the generals considered that the Russian army has sufficient forces so as not to put the ladies at risk.
      Officially, in the Russian army, women began to appear in the Crimean War, when about 120 sisters of mercy were rescued in the besieged Sevastopol. As for the Soviet period, the contribution of women to the country's defense is great and beyond doubt. For courage and heroism over 150 thousand women were awarded military orders and medals , 90 of them became Heroes of the Soviet Union.
      In modern Russia, according to Law on Military Duty and Military Service upon reaching 20 years, women have the right to enter contract military service if they meet the selection criteria. And many use it especially in military garrisons where it is difficult to find work. By the end of 2010, women made up more than 10 percent of the total Russian army. By this indicator, Russia is on a par with the countries of Western Europe.
      So the idea in itself is to offer women to voluntarily serve in the army looks a bit late - Russians have been there for so long. And according to the estimates of some wife-phobes, men will soon be squeezed out of there. smile
      Women serve on the call in the following countries -Israel, DPRK, Eritrea, Taiwan, China(there is a general appeal, but the army is mainly staffed voluntarily and by strict selection), Peru, Malaysia and Benin. I think Russia should not replenish the list of these countries and become one with them. Each of them has its own specific conditions and military-political tasks.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 December 2012 11: 57
        +7
        In general, it seems to me that the appearance of this topic was connected with the complete failure of Serdyukov’s reform to reduce the service life of conscription to one year. As far as I know from the press, Shoigu already laid a report on the table that soon, if you leave the service life as before, there will simply be no one to call, and the transition to the contract army is stalled for many reasons, but it’s scary to increase the service life for political reasons. The stench will immediately rise from all liberal and anti-garbage dumps. Therefore, they decided in the literal sense of the word by female breasts to close another problem in the army
        1. nabludatel_56
          nabludatel_56 24 December 2012 23: 37
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          soon, if you leave the service life unchanged, there will simply be no one to call


          So what? Exit in the appeal of young girls? Even if the platoon commanders will be in the barracks for days, all the same, these young people will be mixed up and how it will all end is known to everyone except the Duma, who somehow very naturally slipped past the army. By the way, the aunt who voiced this stupidity, even though Major General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, has no idea about the army, as well as her accomplices in Just Russia.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 53
      0
      Now there are severe restrictions on places of service and position. A woman cannot make a real career in the army
  5. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 24 December 2012 09: 02
    +2
    What for? We are not in Israel, thank God. Although, of course, the army can give women a lot in social terms, many go there because of this.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 December 2012 10: 58
      +1
      Do you think women serve in the army only in Israel?
      Women become members of US submarine crews
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 24 December 2012 12: 09
        +4
        Quote: Professor

        Do you think women serve in the army only in Israel?
        Women become members of US submarine crews


        In the U.S. draft women do not serve. The draft law under discussion is about the possibility of DRAWING women into military service.
        in Israel, women are liable for military service and serve on equal terms with men. Israel is the only country that sends female soldiers to participate in hostilities.
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 December 2012 12: 37
          -1
          Israel is the only country that sends female soldiers to participate in hostilities.

          There was no bold font? wink
          You did not copy from there. Israel only recently (a couple of years ago) created just one! female infantry battalion Caracal. Prior to this, women in combat positions were not observed (the war for independence does not count). This battalion did not leave the borders of the state of Israel and took part in the hostilities only once, reflecting the breakthrough of terrorists from Egypt. And nobody sent them specifically to the battle; they were in the right place at the right time. By the way, the ladies of the terrorists were liquidated despite the fact that one lady lost her nerve, but this happens with representatives of the stronger sex. Who fought knows. soldier
          But representatives of other countries in Iraq and Afghanistan taking an active part in the hostilities, we can observe in large numbers.





          My opinion is that conscription as well as other conscription should be universal regardless of gender, religion and ethnicity.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 December 2012 13: 07
            +8
            Quote: Professor
            But representatives of other countries in Iraq and Afghanistan taking an active part in the hostilities, we can observe in large numbers.


            For those who are on an armored train (or Ashdod's bunkers), I repeat. Representatives of other countries in Iraq and Afghanistan are not liable for military service and do not serve on conscription. unlike Israel
            The list of countries where universal military duty exists is in the commentary above.

            Quote: Professor
            My opinion is that conscription as well as other conscription should be universal regardless of gender, religion and ethnicity.


            My opinion is that along with the existing right of women to contract military service the maximum that can be added is some of the provisions of the Law of the USSR “On universal military duty” 1967, according to which women - citizens of the USSR aged 19 to 40 years, having medical or other special training, could be taken in peacetime for military records, attracted to training fees, repealing the provision on voluntary acceptance(urgent) service. Our country, in contrast to the constantly waging war in Israel, does not need cannon fodder in the form of women as conscript soldiers. There are a number of military specialties that civilians can occupy if mobilized. To do this, in peacetime, they need to assign the appropriate military ranks in accordance with the military school and register with the military enlistment offices as reserve personnel on a mandatory basis. Well, according to the latest trends, it would be nice to establish the corresponding salaries, at least according to the military rank of a reserve military man. But this is from the realm of sales of dreams. In practice, the medical assistant in the clinic is a stock sergeant. Resident physician-captain, etc. Not strong in medical categories, so do not take literally this example.

            And in general, Professor, since the Government and people of Israel consider, just as you do, that universal military service in Israel is necessary, that is how it should be. In Russia In my opinion such a law is unnecessary and even harmful, which is actually being discussed here. And our dispute with you in this context is about nothing, Anyway, everyone will remain in their opinion, Although my opinion in Israel women should serve voluntary basis , and training and military training to take place on a common basis.
            I'm not trying to prove my opinion to you as the ultimate truth? This is your business. you can also call up children in the army if necessary .. little boys-kibalchis ... Or Bad guys as allies to the main bourgeoisie .. who better suits



            1. Professor
              Professor 24 December 2012 13: 14
              -4
              And I thought you would spread about how Israel "sends female soldiers to fight" and even against their will. Focus on what will happen to that lady who does not want to serve in combat units, and then I will tell you how it really is. For one, ask where the only son in the family or brother of the deceased will go to serve.
              Our country, unlike the constantly waging war in Israel, does not need cannon fodder in the form of women as conscript soldiers.

              request
              1. Cavas
                Cavas 24 December 2012 13: 24
                0
                Quote: Professor
                and then I'll tell you how it really is.


                Quote: Professor
                My opinion is that conscription as well as other conscription should be universal regardless of gender, religion and ethnicity.

                Quote: Professor
                Israel only recently (a couple of years ago) created just one! female infantry battalion Caracal.

                Your battalion? laughing


                1. Professor
                  Professor 24 December 2012 13: 44
                  -5
                  Your battalion?

                  If only ...



                  1. Ka3ak
                    Ka3ak 25 December 2012 23: 25
                    +1
                    IMHO, this is more of a feminist propaganda than a real necessity.
                    A woman, if this is not a man in a skirt, is a woman. And it is impossible to let her into the army for a cannon shot. And the point here is the anthological division of the sexes, not the sexist one. We are talking about the qualities inherent in a person of a certain gender, predetermined to these qualities.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 26 December 2012 03: 22
                      +1
                      And to argue?
                    2. nchyornyj
                      nchyornyj 25 February 2013 13: 22
                      0
                      In the radio engineering troops (and not only) in the positions of radar operators, tablet players, readers, wireless telegraphists, telephone operators, etc. a very large percentage of women. So it was before and now. They do their job perfectly. And more attentively, and more diligently, and more patiently ... yes hi
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 24 December 2012 13: 34
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              This is your business. you can also call up children in the army if necessary .. little boys-kibalchis ... Or Bad guys as allies to the main bourgeoisie .. who better suits


              1. Professor
                Professor 24 December 2012 13: 38
                -6
                This is your answer to "sends female soldiers to participate in hostilitiesx ". Everything is clear. Thanks for the informative discussion. hi
                1. mar.tira
                  mar.tira 24 December 2012 14: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  All clear. WITH

                  PROFESSOR! do not force me to lay out your draftees' girls on the page, in the uncomfortable poses of the negligee, as it were, shown on the video, and the photo. As I recall, I already presented one for discussion! Sorry !! stop stop stop
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 December 2012 14: 45
                    -5
                    Let’s if you wish, but I won’t spread yours, and not because they are not on the Internet, but because I don’t want to go down to this level of discussion. No.
                    1. mar.tira
                      mar.tira 24 December 2012 15: 11
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Let's

                      I agree! But in the last shot, her ears are really cool. One of the bad things about a mortar bombardment is that you won’t hear where the mine is flying. In you or by! By a characteristic sound! Or is it her clips!?!?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 24 December 2012 15: 27
                        -2
                        Earplugs. They are used by order so as not to plant hearing in the exercises (otherwise they will condemn the army for disability). They are usually not used in combat. I didn’t part with them even in battle (though I didn’t always have time to install them in time) - it doesn’t ring in my ears and in the end you hear better. Western ones are softer, they don't press and "cut off" only very harsh sounds, domestic ones were of the worst quality, I don't know how things are with them now.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 56
                        0
                        Mina with mortar shelling, heard - this is strong. Stubs are also used in real combat - otherwise the chance to plant a rumor is very large, especially in buildings
          2. in reserve
            in reserve 24 December 2012 21: 04
            +2

            Professor
            My opinion is that conscription, like other conscription, should be universal regardless of gender


            Will you give birth to children? Or maybe even legalize gays? My opinion is not a woman’s business to fight. And then the men in Russia will die out as a species, but there are still men in Russia. In general, the male population of our country is under tremendous pressure. Let's not take everything as an example from the USA. We don't need soldiers jane.
            1. Professor
              Professor 24 December 2012 21: 44
              0
              Will you give birth to children? Or maybe even legalize gays? My opinion is not a woman’s business to fight.

              Thank God I won’t give birth, and as for gays, it makes me neither warm nor cold. They do not concern me and I do not interest them either.
              Previously, the woman's business was only to give birth to children, but the world has not made much progress since then. In some countries, they were allowed (or rather, they achieved it themselves) to vote in elections, and in some countries women are even allowed to leave the house unaccompanied by a husband, brother or father and (oh my God) go to work. Now, in some backward countries, women can hold various government positions and even serve in the army. However, there will always be males who claim that a woman's business is exclusively "to bear children" - everything else that women are allowed to do exclusively on the consideration of men. More or less like this. hi
              1. in reserve
                in reserve 24 December 2012 22: 58
                +2
                Women are not allowed into the army; they incorrectly execute the command wink, and they don’t possess tactical and logical thinking. yes
          3. nabludatel_56
            nabludatel_56 24 December 2012 23: 03
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            My opinion is that conscription, like other conscription, should be universal regardless of gender


            You called yourself a professor yourself, and they called you captain on the site, although you have nothing to do with military service and the meaning of life.
        2. Psyjoker
          Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 04
          +1
          One Israeli comrade said that during the fighting, the ladies unobtrusively try to remove somewhere further away from the front line laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 December 2012 16: 15
            -4
            They generally try not to send them into battle, with rare exceptions
            According to BaMahane magazine of the Ministry of Defense, at present women make up to 35% of IDF personnel. Eighty percent of military specialties, including military ones, are open to women. Twenty-six percent of Israeli army officers are women, and there is a tendency to increase this number. True, they are still unevenly distributed among military ranks - for example, if women make up 44% among officers with the rank of lieutenant, then the percentage of women among officers with the rank of lieutenant colonel drops to 10.

            According to official figures, in 2008, women accounted for 3% of the total number of IDF combat units. In the Karakal battalion, women make up 68%, in the Snapir division of the Navy, specializing in the protection of seaports, women make up 24%, and in the Nesher field reconnaissance battalion, 23%.

            Woman with guns in her hands!
            1. Psyjoker
              Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 45
              0
              Something you are minus and minus, for which - it is not clear.
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 December 2012 16: 49
                -1
                For not wanting to piss in the wind. laughing
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 58
                  +1
                  By the way, prof. Caracal took part in the hostilities not only on the border with Egypt.
                  Plus, they more than once detained drug smugglers. often armed.
                  Well, one of the girls received the Tsalash Ramatkal week.
              2. Dimon Lviv
                Dimon Lviv 24 December 2012 18: 10
                +1
                You read his comments a little ... they don’t like reptiles on this site, he, as he said, doesn’t give a damn about the minuses, but the minuses reflect the opinion and attitude of the forum users towards different evil spirits. One or two minuses may mean disagreement, but massive negative assessments - you need to be a rare bastard with your eyes to earn them. He could.
                1. Psyjoker
                  Psyjoker 24 December 2012 19: 49
                  +2
                  In the profile, the rating is already 7 thousand green laughing
                2. newFeofan
                  newFeofan 24 December 2012 21: 43
                  +10
                  On this site, they don’t like mainly those who think a little differently from the aggressive majority, forgive me, but it will be more honest. The professor's comments are almost always informative and to the place, unlike most others, consisting of five words written in caps, which always get 30 - 40 pluses.
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 24 December 2012 21: 59
                    +3
                    Quote: newFeofan
                    On this site, they don’t like mainly those who think a little differently from the aggressive majority, forgive me, but it will be more honest. Professor's comments are almost always informative and to the place, unlike most others, consisting of five words written in caps, which always get 30 - 40 pluses
                    I agree with you, but not everyone on this site is capturing.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 00
                      0
                      Although it saves 8)))
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 00
                  0
                  No, not necessarily. Just enough to get together with a dozen juvenile fools, anti-Semites or overripe hysteria. And there is no need to look for such on the forum for a long time.
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 25 December 2012 13: 57
                0
                Because they don’t like it - that's why they minus it.
      2. Dimon Lviv
        Dimon Lviv 24 December 2012 18: 12
        0
        Are they called in the USA, or are only volunteers serving?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 01
          -1
          In the United States, the mobilization call is not canceled, but frozen
  6. Apollo
    Apollo 24 December 2012 09: 03
    +5
    Noteworthy, but NOT At this stage. There are enough problems in the Russian Army. I think that if you call for it, you need a whole range of preparatory measures, which in my opinion will take, if not years, then a decade for sure.
  7. Waroc
    Waroc 24 December 2012 09: 03
    +8
    In combat units, on the front line - in no case; only in the rear, communications, hospital ...
  8. Glory
    Glory 24 December 2012 09: 04
    -6
    Not only not to call, but also those who serve to fire.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 December 2012 10: 06
      -1
      Quote: Glory
      Not only not to call, but also those who serve to fire.

      laughing It is better to first dismiss, and then call on an equal basis with others on new conditions.
    2. Magadan
      Magadan 24 December 2012 10: 48
      0
      I actually put a plus, but the minus got out :(
  9. Optics
    Optics 24 December 2012 09: 05
    +4
    Eputatov would be obliged to obligate their women through a draft in the army ... you would look at their brains (and there would be more EPs and their women) ... Definitely a psychiatrist is needed for the MPs.
    1. Psyjoker
      Psyjoker 24 December 2012 17: 17
      +1
      By the way, yes, otherwise their sons do not serve either. Although, it’s quite possible that a deputy cannot have a healthy child laughing
  10. Volkhov
    Volkhov 24 December 2012 09: 06
    +5
    There is clearly a revolutionary party in power and they are systematically pumping up discontent - utilities, traffic jams, tax + excise tax, a fine of 500000 for traffic rules, now there are no guard houses, but they will add a few ladies for the experiment - rejoice, officers.
    The lions gnawed at the Berberovs' family when the cougar began to estrus, and the owner tried to command as before ...
    If they were striving for real optimization, then first they would find places and training opportunities for the wives of officers and contract soldiers, then courses on the preparation of military schools for women in the rear specialties ...
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 24 December 2012 09: 41
      +2
      You, as always, are sarcastic, but to the point. And allegory is brilliance!
  11. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 24 December 2012 09: 19
    +4
    I continue to believe that the mission of women is a continuation of the human race. A woman should give life and not take. Woman keeper of a home fire. And a warrior, a defender of the Motherland, a hunter, if you want - a man. Well, if we come to the same place as the Fatherland, instead of men, women will protect! Brothers, well, it’s not Holland with us, with her fag ... mi and lesbians. Guys need to get up from the couch and do what they should! Well, in the hospital - no problem. There are many posts where the fair sex will give odds to any man.
    1. davoks
      davoks 24 December 2012 10: 03
      -4
      the woman’s mission is to stand at the stove with a pan in an apron. did you want to say that? I think that a woman is still not a disenfranchised creature and she herself can decide what her life will be
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 24 December 2012 12: 37
        +4
        the woman’s mission is to stand at the stove with a pan in an apron. did you want to say that? I think a woman is still not a disenfranchised creature ...

        No need to exaggerate dear. If, in your understanding, a home is a stove and an apron, these are your problems. I served in the Air Force for 28 years, and my wife served there for 22 years. I know what the conversation is about. It would be a hundred times more difficult for me if it were not for the care of a beloved and loving woman. "Reliable rear" is much more than you can imagine. And your words are the usual unsupported gayropean verbiage. This is your stupid "gender equality" has already led to the fact that children have two dads (as an option - mothers). The CREATOR determined Adam to plow, and Eve to give birth. I think to surpass God - the navel will be untied.
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 24 December 2012 13: 50
          +5
          Quote: Shkodnik65
          "Reliable rear" is much more than you can imagine.

          I will support you. Until the age of 14, more than one bucket of tears was shed to me because I was not born a boy. But then on my way People met (with a capital letter), who explained everything to me in a very intelligible form.
          And despite the fact that I would not refuse from military service (if in my time this event, which is now being planned, but is unlikely to be realized), I still think that a woman in the army can only be after she has completely completed his primary duty is procreation and in extreme situations.
          1. mar.tira
            mar.tira 24 December 2012 14: 25
            +1
            Quote: Aventurinka
            howling primary duty - the continuation of the clan and then, in extreme situations.

            Well done Julia! I fully support you! I don’t know what leads women, girls to the army, Extreme, earnings, romance, a military man’s husband? But you will agree to serve in the General Staff, or in Serdyukov. And it’s completely different to serve somewhere in the North in a goddamn and devilish nook, where for convenience, excuse me only a bucket, and a snowstorm toilet, or to participate in military operations in the North Caucasus with melee combat contact, in equipment weighing 50 or more kilograms. After that, what kind of a full-fledged woman will she be?
            1. davoks
              davoks 24 December 2012 14: 31
              +1
              Type in Google - Irina Yanina. and then you say - she is a full woman or not
              1. mar.tira
                mar.tira 24 December 2012 15: 43
                +1
                Quote: davoks
                Irina Yanina.

                Why do I need to dial, dear you are my man! I have before my eyes a living example of a boy-woman of art. leit.-t Korshukova, which every man could not take either in strength or in booze. But this is no longer a woman from birth. She drove a winter hat with a cap with earflaps, she went in men's pants, and did not disdain a padded jacket Her strength is peasant. Her husband escaped from her. And recently, after resigning, she lived with ... a woman (an accountant from a military unit). There are no children! Here is such a fate!
                1. davoks
                  davoks 24 December 2012 15: 58
                  +2
                  it's about the hero of Russia you have such an opinion huh? Sorry. Irina, unlike you, became a hero of Russia when she herself saved a soldier from a burning APC. And posthumously. she had children. there was a son. Very low. Highly.
                  1. mar.tira
                    mar.tira 24 December 2012 16: 23
                    0
                    Quote: davoks
                    it's about the hero of Russia you have such an opinion yes?

                    Both on!!! So here you are! And then I was in the heat of the heat and did not understand! I'm talking about the ordinary, about the ubiquitous, and you're talking about heroism and patriotism! Do not drag this here! I’m not saying that this is bad, you’ll drag Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and other women heroes here. I will say the words of a poet from the time of the war. When a soldier is killed it is a tragedy, when a woman dies it is a doubled tragedy. These are unborn children, this is an interrupted generation! Goodbye, did not expect such anger!
                    1. davoks
                      davoks 24 December 2012 16: 27
                      -2
                      handsome, your words. unlike them, what did you deserve to insult them like that? unlike you, they fought. and you’re sitting here like a stump and puffing - lesbians - I drove a winter hat on a motorcycle in a hat with earflaps, I went in men's trousers and didn’t disdain a padded coat. .... by woman. are you handsome what did you do though eh?
                      1. mar.tira
                        mar.tira 24 December 2012 17: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: davoks
                        handsome, your words.

                        Quote: davoks
                        you, unlike them, deserve what

                        The lady has already gone to personal insults. Come on! I am from a military family. My grandfather is a hero of the Soviet Union, General Com. He died along with the corps defending Kiev. I continued his traditions, the military did not participate in heavy battles due to the fact that they weren’t during my service. But he participated in military clashes. I was wounded. I cut myself apart from the crushed fingers of my left hand . In a fever, it doesn’t hurt, it only burns. He quit after the disbandment of part of Gorbachev.
                      2. davoks
                        davoks 24 December 2012 21: 47
                        +2
                        you didn’t take part in military clashes. but you have the good fortune to blaspheme the girl who was and died in these clashes, protecting her colleagues. not ashamed though?
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 05
                        0
                        Hmm. Shameful words, dear man
            2. Aventurinka
              Aventurinka 24 December 2012 15: 07
              +3
              I can say for myself - a lot of things led me. You will not remember and you will not tell everything for certain reasons. In time there were those who explained what was what.
              I know those who were driven by unemployment, wages, an apartment. There are still options, but they are no longer on public display.
              However, the tendency for many normal women to currently want to serve in the army is associated primarily with the fact that we do not want to be easy prey. And in connection with the increasing number of sissies, it becomes more and more relevant ... But not with the spread of feminism ..
            3. Pimply
              Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 04
              -2
              Hand-to-hand combat contact is a situation when everyone is screwed up in everything. Its probability tends to zero.
              And after that, she will be the same full-fledged woman as those who fought in the Second World War.
          2. Normal
            Normal 24 December 2012 15: 33
            -1
            Quote: Aventurinka
            a woman in the army can only be after she has completely fulfilled her primary duty - the continuation of the family

            It's hard to disagree with you. But! The reality is far from theory. Unfortunately, more and more women are abandoning their main function of procreation and preferring to live "for themselves." There must be a choice; or give birth (at least three children) or go ahead, under arms and oath.
            If we preach equality, then let us observe this equality. A man must be the defender of the Motherland ... and the father, the continuer of the family. And a woman, if she does not give life, then she is not even a woman, but a barren flower, a snag, a parasite on the body of society and the population. Well, at least a "tuft of wool" - let it serve
            1. Aventurinka
              Aventurinka 24 December 2012 15: 39
              +3
              I would rather introduce a childless tax ... Although the option with the service is also an option. Maybe a normal man gets caught, but the desire to give birth appears))) wink
              1. Normal
                Normal 24 December 2012 17: 43
                0
                Quote: Aventurinka
                Maybe a normal man will come across,

                good
              2. Ascetic
                Ascetic 24 December 2012 21: 44
                +2
                Quote: Aventurinka
                I would rather introduce a childless tax ... Although the option with the service is also an option. Maybe a normal man gets caught, but the desire to give birth appears)))


                Was such in the USSR Childless men from 20 to 50 years old and childless married women from 20 to 45 years old were supposed to deduct 6% of the salary to the state. A lower rate was provided for those who received less than 91 rubles per month. There was no tax on earnings less than 70 rubles.
                In Russia, the standard tax deduction for children on the personal income tax can be considered an analogue of the childless tax. The size of the deduction in 2012 is 1400 rubles per month for the first and second child and 3000 rubles for the third and subsequent children, for a disabled child a fixed amount of 3000 rubles, and the tax rate is 13%, therefore a person with one child pays a tax of 182 rubles per month less than a childless person with the same income.
                1. Normal
                  Normal 24 December 2012 22: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  There was such in the USSR Childless men from 20 to 50 years and childless married women from 20 to 45

                  And for some reason, we have been torn from men since 18, and from women from 19. I remember that I was very indignant.
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 24 December 2012 23: 19
                    0
                    Normal,

                    I am embarrassed to ask - where is it with you? And what time? If in the USSR, then this could not be in principle. And from January 1, 1992, the tax was completely abolished
                    1. Normal
                      Normal 25 December 2012 02: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      If in the USSR, then this could not be in principle.

                      It turns out it could ... In the 1983 year. In the USSR, in the Moscow region, in the Odintsovo district, at the state farm ................
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 25 December 2012 08: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Normal
                        in the Odintsovo district, at the state farm ......


                        Matveevsky or VNIISOK? They could not argue winked From 20 years old they took a tax because from the age of 18, as a rule, all men were called up for active military service, and military personnel were exempted from taxes, including income taxes.
                      2. Normal
                        Normal 25 December 2012 18: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Matveevsky or VNIISOK?

                        Neither, although not far. There were enough state farms in the region at that time, and they also "could"
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        From 20 years they took a tax because from 18 years, as a rule, all men were called up

                        Yes, my brother has a doctor at the end of October - a summons in early November. They did not have time to deduct from it. And I was born at the end of December - they called me in May. So I paid for childlessness in advance laughing
                2. davoks
                  davoks 24 December 2012 23: 15
                  +1
                  You remind the current government - it will vividly respond to the new tax. whatever - just to tear off the money
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 25 December 2012 11: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: davoks
                    You remind the current government - it will vividly respond to the new tax. whatever - just to tear off the money


                    Have you read the post to the end? About the current government

                    Quote: Ascetic
                    In Russia, the standard tax deduction for children on the personal income tax can be considered an analogue of the childless tax. The amount of deduction in 2012 is 1400 rubles per month for the first and second child and 3000 rubles for the third and subsequent children, for a disabled child a fixed amount of 3000 rubles, and the tax rate is 13%, so a person with one child pays tax on 182 rubles a month less than a childless person with the same income.
              3. Pimply
                Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 06
                -1
                There was such a tax
        2. davoks
          davoks 24 December 2012 14: 03
          0
          That is, in your opinion, gender equality should not be? Is woman a lower creation? Equal rights of women and men are bad. A woman should have less rights. Two dads is already a topic about gays. Is a woman endowed with equal rights with men a manifestation of homosexuality? belay
          1. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 24 December 2012 15: 06
            +8
            Again twenty-five !!!! No, well, you won't get bored !!! You are downright preoccupied with some ... gender equality. Well, there is none, there is no equality! Well, how can KAMAZ and Kalina be equal (I am giving an example) ??? One is healthy and powerful, the other is fragile and small. No, well, you can carry crushed stone, logs, bricks on Kalina ... but why? But seriously, as my foreman of the squadron said, "I explain to those who fly at night": any man, even if he breaks a German cross during the day, will not be able to give birth to a child. It is not intended for this, but in order to protect and protect the WOMAN who was created for this! Created to ensure that the human race does not die out. Well, is it really a HIGHEST creature that it is so necessary to dress up in camouflage, ankle boots and send into the attack, only to prove to some ... concerned person that she is equal to a peasant? You must understand that a woman is not lower, she is ABOVE a man. In my opinion this is clear to any sane individual. We men are only needed to use us as brute force. No need for brute force - we will die out like mammoths ...
            1. davoks
              davoks 24 December 2012 15: 16
              -2
              But can you understand with your own mind that a SAMA woman has the right to decide whether to dress in camouflage or not? Based on your posts, it has already been established that a woman in the army is a manifestation of homosexuality and concern. The woman has the same rights on equal terms with the man and she has the right to manage her own life. Can her rear guard not hunting? Have you ever thought that a woman herself has the right to decide her fate? Google who is Irina Yanina
              1. Shkodnik65
                Shkodnik65 24 December 2012 16: 06
                +6
                I explain one last time: a woman MAY serve in the army, I repeat that my wife served for 22 years, I ended up serving as lieutenant colonel, part commander, and although I did not meet women part commanders, I knew a woman and officers and even 1 general. Therefore, I explain it not abstractly, but with knowledge of the matter: in the parts of provision, communication, management, a woman can serve, but she does not need to be pushed into the trenches, even if she wants to. There are EXCEPTIONS, (also encountered), but they only confirm the rules. I’m not going to discuss a topic with you anymore due to the futility of this process, because You do not understand the essence of the problem.
                PS You need me, dear, minus you! These ratings are on my drum, not because of them I write. This is for you information.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 07
                  -1
                  And why not if she copes with the task? Just because she is a woman?
              2. Psyjoker
                Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 19
                0
                I want to note that Ioannina was a nurse in the evacuation group. And here the argument goes to the topic of "a woman with a machine gun."
                1. davoks
                  davoks 24 December 2012 16: 31
                  +1
                  the nurse’s business is clear, because no one will let them into the infantry. but she defended the armored personnel carrier not with a machine gun, but with a machine gun
                  1. Psyjoker
                    Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 48
                    +3
                    Well, if Madame so wants to serve, let her be sent to places where you don’t have to rush with a machine gun. Irina, unfortunately, had no choice when the Czechs climbed. But this does not mean that we urgently need to write out an RPG and send it to Gro ... ah, everything is fine there. To Ingushetia!
                    1. davoks
                      davoks 24 December 2012 21: 53
                      +1
                      she had a choice. she, like a woman, did not follow a call. so this is her choice. she initially was not going to rush with a machine gun - it happened
                      1. Psyjoker
                        Psyjoker 24 December 2012 23: 15
                        0
                        I mean, she had no choice when the Czechs climbed. There, the whole group, if I understood correctly, fell into a catastrophic situation.
                      2. davoks
                        davoks 24 December 2012 23: 20
                        +2
                        when they climbed, it was not until the elections. But she went to the army voluntarily. She knew what she was doing.
            2. Psyjoker
              Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 18
              +1
              I agree. The helicopter and the machine are made of iron, but their purpose is different smile
          2. Aventurinka
            Aventurinka 24 December 2012 15: 15
            +5
            Well, why is equal rights a bad thing? Only now a real normal man will NEVER put a woman on a par with himself. He will always first and foremost try to protect her, protect her, help .. that’s what nature has laid down at the genetic level ... although perhaps this is not so, and I have always come across the wrong men ...
            1. davoks
              davoks 24 December 2012 15: 26
              +2
              of course he won’t put it - he will put her a little lower than himself. because a woman cannot be served in the army and govern the country. young lady, know your place. you are a woman wink

              is it you so stubbornly minus il nevertheless shkodnik?
              1. Aventurinka
                Aventurinka 24 December 2012 15: 35
                0
                You probably have some kind of fad on this basis))))
                I will not explain in detail, for me - albeit a bit lower, but in the case of a real man it will look like:
                What is the difference between false love and real?
                Fake: I like snowflakes on your hair!
                Real: Fool, where is the hat ?!


                Quote: davoks
                is it you so stubbornly minus il nevertheless shkodnik?

                I AM? what are you) I'm not interested)) I put a personal plus sign)))
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 02
          -1
          Everything is great. Beautiful words. For this, are you ready to limit everything that is possible to her?
    2. Pula
      Pula 24 December 2012 10: 10
      0
      It's not about the posts, but about the specialties and the psyche. And who is weak or healthy, the doctors decide.
    3. Mikado
      Mikado 24 December 2012 10: 44
      +3
      There are things women do better than men, and it's not just cooking and washing. Women have a higher pain threshold and a better developed reaction, therefore, the same Americans like to make pilots out of them. And here, by the way, is a quote from the book "Starship Troopers", fantastic, but still:
      "Besides the obvious fact that excellent pilots (read - women) are required to carry out the emissions and the return of the landing, there was another good reason for assigning women to transports. This helped to strengthen the spirit of the paratroopers. Try to imagine the state of a man who is thrown from his own ship to an unfamiliar planet , and there, at the end of the path, nothing awaits him except injuries and unexpected death! How to preserve faith and courage in this person? How to make sure that he learns to overcome himself from emission to emission? The only way out is for him to constantly see a living ideal in front of him , the personification of that quivering life requiring protection, for the sake of which he goes into battle.

      The last thing a paratrooper hears before being ejected (and maybe the last words he hears in his life) is the voice of a woman wishing him good luck. Anyone who says that it doesn't matter, in my opinion, simply cannot be considered human. "
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 24 December 2012 11: 01
        0
        Mikado
        The pain threshold in women is lower, as well as the reaction, which has already been proved long ago by no experiment. Star landing is a book, and even more so a film, is the height of schizoidness (liberalists with their ideas fix - fill up the enemy with corpses - have a rest). The only thing I agree with is that in difficult moments a female voice can act soothingly (like this idea is implemented in modern helicopters where all warnings and commands from the on-board computer are given by a female voice).
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 24 December 2012 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Prometey
          The pain threshold in women is lower, as is the reaction, which has already been proven long ago by no experiment


          I don’t know, I don’t know what kind of experts they are and how they explain it. I heard about a higher threshold for women from many doctors, including naval surgeons. This is explained by childbirth, so that during childbirth from pain shock not to die.
          1. Psyjoker
            Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 24
            +1
            I apologize, but pain during childbirth is more associated with fear than with physiology. Of course, there is pain, but not as hellish as they say in books.
            By the way, I don’t remember the name of the Spaniard, but he said such a thing that not pampered women of the Indians calmly gave birth even in solitude, while the Spaniards screamed as if they were cut.
            And yet, the same doctors should have told you that heavy physical exertion (and in combat units without them in any way) can lead to prolapse of the uterus.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 24 December 2012 20: 35
              0
              Yes, if you think about it, heavy physical exertion can lead to death and crippling, and not only among women, in only one car in three years we had three cardiac arrests on cadets on exercise, now do not call men?) And so, how heavy physical activity of a helicopter pilot?
              1. Psyjoker
                Psyjoker 24 December 2012 23: 18
                +1
                The loads are different. 20 kilos for a man is normal, for a woman it’s already a little tight. Some women had problems with falling out even without a load, and from constant shaking in the old basins killed by ambulance.
                Well, and as for the helicopter pilot - if they are shot down, then we must somehow survive. Who is more likely to survive? From the point of view of the unit, the downed pilot is a valuable instance, and getting out of the wrecked car and somehow snoring at your own is another task smile
    4. Mikado
      Mikado 24 December 2012 14: 18
      +4
      The fact that a woman TOGETHER with a man will defend the Fatherland is "pid..stia and lesbian" for you, how can it be, NONSENS! This is a matter exclusively for men! but the fact that they carry sleepers with rails on the railway, what is that? Where are the shouts about "male" work? Or, since we are not talking about "taking" life, is this normal?
      1. davoks
        davoks 24 December 2012 15: 04
        +2
        because - "woman - know your place". during the Great Patriotic War, 300 thousand women served in the army. they were great snipers. Irina Yanina became a hero of Russia. She fought in the North Caucasus. But no one cares - the destiny of a woman is to stand in the kitchen and, forgive, to guard the "rear". as if we live somewhere in Saudi Arabia
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 December 2012 16: 24
      +4
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      Well, if we come to the same place as the Fatherland, instead of men, women will protect! Brothers, well, it’s not Holland with us, with her fag ... mi and lesbians


      I agree. But here also demography makes itself felt. I will not give figures and graphs here. It’s just that now and in the near future, young men of draft age make up a generation born in the mid-90s at the peak of mass extinction and a decrease in fertility. Well, the quality of conscripts who spent their childhood at this time is very different from the children born in the late 70s and mid 80s. You just need to survive this pit, because now the girls born in the mid-80s have reached reproductive age, and since the mid-80s had a peak in fertility, according to statistics, the birth rate is increasing precisely due to this generation. therefore if you want to, you don’t want to, the government will have to solve the problem of the draft army right now, or increase the service life, or work closely with the contract army. And not to call women to the heap, How can you save money and not increase the service life, But as it is customary to refer to the "advanced" foreign experience ... But in Israel, China, the USA and the EU ... You do not need to think about a head if At the same time, it will be possible to master the money from the state budget (the lobbyists will unfasten the legislators) and it is absolutely good. Everything is in the shookolad again, and the people are in another reformist liberal shit.
  12. GSH-18
    GSH-18 24 December 2012 09: 23
    +1
    Without a doubt, in the mass of the Russian population there is a certain percentage of the female population who wants to serve in the army (and not only for the purpose of military service) professionally. I see no reason to refuse in this case. However, in my opinion, it is necessary to create, so to speak, quotas for the army professions for women. So that it doesn't work out so that, for example, all communications or medicine in the army will become "female", and other vacancies will be empty due to the lack of conditions for girls to serve. The author of the article correctly noted that before sending out the summons, it is necessary to prepare the duty stations themselves. All the same, girls are girls.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 24 December 2012 10: 58
      +1
      It is necessary to prepare, only, I do not think that it will be too difficult, as described in the article. When we decided to train girls-paratroopers in our school of airborne forces, this issue was resolved very quickly, they just allocated a barracks for them on the same floor, in the barracks the cubicles were separated from each other with drywall and that's it.
  13. Roomata
    Roomata 24 December 2012 09: 28
    +1
    Nothing else remains when there are no men
    And with such state support as we will soon be picking up gastors on appeal
    (although why dial can simply be reduced ..............)
  14. Normal
    Normal 24 December 2012 09: 28
    +3
    The technical issues of female draft and service in the Armed Forces are diverse, unusual, and at first glance difficult to solve.
    But if we talk about the principle, then I am "FOR". Ladies want equality - please, in full. If you don't want to give birth to defenders of the Motherland, join the ranks of these defenders yourself.
  15. Apollo
    Apollo 24 December 2012 09: 33
    +8
    Here we consider the issue of the appropriateness of recruiting women for active military service and the public chamber offers the devil that am

    The word "I swear" in the military oath of the Russian Federation was proposed to be replaced by "I promise

    MOSCOW, December 24. The Public Chamber proposed to the Defense Ministry, the State Duma and the Presidential Administration to replace the word "I swear" with "I promise" in the text of the military oath.
    Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/12/24/1075091.html

    need to dissolve the public chamber am am am

    Alexey. please write next time about this so-called OP. What does she do and who is there. The country should recognize its "heroes"
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 24 December 2012 09: 44
      +4
      Okay, at least instead I promise did not offer I hope that...
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 24 December 2012 09: 48
        +2
        Quote: Tyumen
        Okay, at least instead of a promise I didn’t offer, I hope that.


        with this layout, soon this will not happen !!!
    2. Monge
      Monge 24 December 2012 10: 04
      0
      They explain everything with religious motives. They got the priests already.
      1. tungus-meteorit
        tungus-meteorit 24 December 2012 20: 40
        0
        There are no priests just not observed. See above my comment
    3. Pula
      Pula 24 December 2012 10: 13
      +1
      Yes. You need to know who suggested. And why?
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 24 December 2012 12: 34
      +5
      Quote: Apollon
      need to dissolve the public chamber


      It’s high time, like the Presidential Council on Human Rights and all sorts of grant organizations such as Soldiers' Mothers. From the presence of these organizations, the situation with arbitrariness and corruption in the country does not improve at best, and real harsh and competent bills and measures are cluttered, discredited and transferred to the category of totalitarian machinations of bloody gebni.
    5. tungus-meteorit
      tungus-meteorit 24 December 2012 20: 38
      +2
      The oath of the Russian imperial army also did not contain the word "I swear", but there was: "I promise to the last drop of blood ..." and so on. Actually, the meaning of the words is the same, and therefore there is no point in changing anything in the text of the modern oath. There, in this OP there are a lot of different agents of Western influence, and this initiative came from a group of representatives of the Protestant confession and one who calls himself Orthodox. Supposedly the word "I swear" is contrary to the Gospel. This topic has long been driven by various Protestant sectarians. Well, a couple of Orthodox priests also supported. But, in the ROC at the official level, this nonsense was not supported, saying with words from the Gospel: God is God, and Caesar is Caesar. That's all. In any case, this is a provocation. By the way, the Duma Security Committee has already categorically rejected this stupid proposal.
      1. tungus-meteorit
        tungus-meteorit 25 December 2012 14: 01
        +1
        Clarify your comment. I found the text of the pre-revolutionary oath of the Russian imperial army, so there are both words: I swear and promise.
  16. Rexei
    Rexei 24 December 2012 09: 41
    -1
    Let the service be obligatory, but in separate parts, and with small indulgences (nurses at least), we would have scared the Ameros then, so scared ... wink
  17. taseka
    taseka 24 December 2012 09: 44
    -1
    While we're here about girls, comrade Shoigu gave 30 hospitals to civilian ones (with the right to visit the civilian population along with military personnel and military pensioners) Read on the MO website! am
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 December 2012 09: 59
      +7
      Quote: taseka
      While we're here about girls, comrade Shoigu gave 30 hospitals to civilians (with the right to visit the civilian population along with military personnel and military pensioners) Read on the MO website! am

      And what's your problem here ?? He did not close them. And the civilian population is also people, and in non-wartime, why hospitals can not provide medical services to citizens of the Russian Federation ?? Shoigu did a good deed for ordinary people. Now, many will not have to go to Moscow and pay unlimited loot there!
      1. taseka
        taseka 24 December 2012 20: 57
        +4
        There are people who have lived their whole lives in peace and quiet in their hometown and in their own factory, have got themselves summer cottages for 30 years, and have grown them on the tomato with their beloved slowly, acquired connections and favorite places for picking mushrooms!
        But there are people whom the service threw in Russia in the years 30, in the wars where they were killed, in distant garrisons and deaf people, where their children studied at 8-10 schools and their wives could not work in the specialty where they lived in dormitories and there were no summer cottages that have been squandering their whole lives. Defending the Motherland with suitcases - AND NOW THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CURE HIMSELF IN THEIR MILITARY POLYCLINIC AND HOSPITAL, WITHOUT QUEUES AND RECORDS !!!
        How they treat themselves in silence of their closed clinics, without bursts and flecks of FSB-MVD- and government officials !!!
    2. Pula
      Pula 24 December 2012 10: 15
      +6
      And what, children and wives of the military should somewhere else seek help?
  18. Smerch
    Smerch 24 December 2012 09: 47
    +2
    Totally agree. I know many who want to join the army, but don’t know anything about how to get there. And then bam - a summons, who does not want to just throw it away, and whoever needs it, he will go to serve ...
  19. olegyurjewitch
    olegyurjewitch 24 December 2012 09: 49
    +3
    What is the problem? Why invent and propose what is already there. Do we really have no women in the army as contract soldiers, freelancers? They used to be called super conscripts. In my opinion, there is always a niche in the army for women, logistic support, communications, medicine, in modern conditions, PC operators, yes there are still more specialties. Here is the service of women on conscription, this is nonsense. In general, I agree with the assumption:
    Quote: erased
    Or is it another trick with cutting the funds allocated for this business?

    The problem is clearly artificially nurtured.
  20. nicht ferstehen
    nicht ferstehen 24 December 2012 09: 50
    +2
    In civilian life, gender equality has long been out of the question. Women are full-fledged competitors of men in almost all industries. In this regard, the motives of refuseniks of the type: "While I serve, a woman in my place makes a career, seems to be not devoid of logic." Perhaps the conscription of women into the army is not feasible purely economically. But there are a lot of highly scarce professions and positions in the country. For example, nurses, rural teachers. In my opinion, the principle of serving the country for at least 1 year should be observed for all citizens. Imprisonment for evasion may not be necessary, but infringement of rights is quite possible. And the situation with the hostile environment, by the way, is no better here than in Israel.
  21. anfreezer
    anfreezer 24 December 2012 09: 52
    0
    So with a light hand bureaucrats will form women's battalions and gulp goryushka after laughing
  22. paanvl
    paanvl 24 December 2012 09: 55
    +5
    The call is stupid .....
    But at the same time, in the modern army there are many specialties where women can give odds to men. Like radar operators, signalmen, etc. (work that does not require increased physical form, but at the same time requiring a long time to maintain concentration, which is harder for men). Even the same sniper often turns out to be an order of magnitude better than a man from a woman.
  23. IRBIS
    IRBIS 24 December 2012 10: 07
    +6
    Mandatory draft of women in the army? What are they in the power structures - complete idiots? Men are not able to call, so women decided to hide behind? And who will give birth to children? Dodgers, or what? Now there is already a Law which provides for service in the army of women, but to make a commitment - even no words!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 December 2012 10: 34
      0
      Quote: IRBIS
      Mandatory draft of women in the army? What are they in the power structures - complete idiots? Men are not able to call, so women decided to hide behind? And who will give birth to children? Dodgers, or what? Now there is already a Law which provides for service in the army of women, but to make a commitment - even no words!

      Read the article carefully. There is no question of the compulsory appeal of women.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 24 December 2012 11: 18
        +1
        I read an article, and also watched the news. And there specifically it was said about the coverage of lack of attention by calling women on the model of some countries, in particular Israel.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 24 December 2012 11: 25
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          it specifically spoke of covering up incompetence through the call of women on the model of some countries, in particular Israel.

          Right. This is one of the advantages of this law, to employ the female population in army vacancies. Note, at the request of women, and not by obligation.
  24. Adrenalin
    Adrenalin 24 December 2012 10: 07
    +2
    I listen and wonder, women have long been serving in the army on a voluntary basis. Why raise this issue at all? A lot of questions for the needs of the army women will perform no worse than men. Take at least the checkpoint, they are more attentive, they simply do not have a price in the medical service, and in general, the topic is empty.
    1. Smerch
      Smerch 24 December 2012 10: 11
      +1
      The problem is that many girls, women do not know how to get into this army, and in military commissariats often no one takes them seriously and gives no information ...
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 December 2012 10: 38
      0
      Quote: Adrenalin
      I listen and wonder, women have long been serving in the army on a voluntary basis. Why raise this issue at all? A lot of questions for the needs of the army women will perform no worse than men. Take at least the checkpoint, they are more attentive, they simply do not have a price in the medical service, and in general, the topic is empty.

      It is about giving legal status to women in the army with all the assignments and ranks attached in this case. Do not confuse with what is now.
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 24 December 2012 14: 17
        -1
        Quote: GSH-18
        It is about giving legal status to women in the army with all the assignments and ranks attached in this case. Do not confuse with what is now.

        But what, women, military personnel are different from the men of military personnel in terms of benefits and the rest due? We have no gender differences in the army.
  25. TUNISIA
    TUNISIA 24 December 2012 10: 18
    +3
    Another legislative nonsense! I have a feeling that in the State Duma they are dying of idleness, and therefore they create the appearance of their work by adopting, or not, even simply by considering such laws. Well, as the law can prescribe:
    If you want - go, you want - do not go
    .
    Those girls and women who want to serve - they serve without this law, including in various law enforcement agencies (the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the FSIN, NP, etc.), and those who do not want do not serve. The question is: why the hell is this law then needed at all?
    Deputies have nothing to do? In our country, everything is in order chtoli ???
    And in general, my opinion is that there is no PLACE for calling women in the army.
  26. Pula
    Pula 24 December 2012 10: 27
    -1
    We are used, if the army, then the agenda. And why not consider inviting women specialists after graduating from universities to serve in the Army. On a voluntary basis. Not all, but many will think in the crisis of employment. And assign the assessment of the prospects of the young specialist to senior experienced comrades after a trial period. We all want a highly professional and high-tech Army.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 24 December 2012 11: 46
      -1
      Quote: Pule
      And why not consider inviting women specialists after graduating from universities to serve in the Army.

      What suggestions, what are you talking about! It all comes down to money. Why pay when you can beckon? Here is a thread of Martha in Zadryuchinsk, there are only alcoholics around, there are no prospects. And here, oops, a piece of paper from the recruiting office. Let them serve free of charge, but they pay for the trip, dress and feed them. And look at people, and show yourself. Moreover, it will be shown to whom! :)) Now the military commissar will stand in the way, and after such a law the same military commissar will say "hello, dear lady, where do you want a ticket - Moscow, the Caucasus, but you don't want to go to the Black Sea coast? Or maybe you love nature? Here is an exclusive - to Kamchatka ... "
      All talk about gender equality is the exploitation of women. Do you want to serve on appeal for free in Moscow? Yes please! And the woman is happy, and the budget is whole. Well, there, maybe the contract will remain. But you can pay her less, women are more flexible, so in equal positions they can always pay less. So it's all about the money.
      It is sad to watch the sunset of the country.
  27. baltika-18
    baltika-18 24 December 2012 10: 31
    0
    Why call it? Some kind of nonsense. If a woman wants to join the army, she will find her place even without conscription.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 December 2012 10: 54
      0
      Quote: baltika-18
      Why call it? Some kind of nonsense. If a woman wants to join the army, she will find her place even without conscription.

      Don't write nonsense yourself. "if he wants to join the army, he will find a place for himself without being called up" laughing Do you think the army is a bazaar? Who wants comes and where he wants to serve !? laughing
      After all, we are talking about giving women the legislative opportunity, according to their desire to serve in the armed forces! Don't you really feel the difference ??
  28. Atlon
    Atlon 24 December 2012 10: 35
    +4
    Again, feminist machinations ... First equality, then the army, then ... And as a result of homosexuals and sissies around ...
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 24 December 2012 16: 46
      +3
      I completely agree. They are trying to fill the gaps in the upbringing of several generations of individuals (there is no other word) for males. I’m not trying to find the guilty, but in my opinion, we must pursue a tougher draft policy in the current period when the popularity of the army and navy is not as high as we would like. Parallel to military-patriotic education in schools, pay more attention in all directions - material, ideological, moral. So that after 10-15 years, the problem with the call faded into the background.
      Military service is war. Yes, war, any soldier should be ready to kill another person. And killing is always a shock. No matter what situation it happened. And just imagine - a man (woman), born in order to give life to others, is preparing to kill. And do not sing songs about the fact that there are many military specialties that are not related to the murder. Any military specialty is a military specialty. With deep respect, I treat real soldiers, I always think and believed that this profession is the most important. But to give birth and raise a person, in my opinion, is still important. Although maybe I'm wrong
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 25 December 2012 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: rexby63
        I always think and thought that this profession is the most important. But to give birth and raise a person, in my opinion, is still important. Although maybe I'm wrong

        Right. Storaz is right! I would only add: Give birth and raise a PROTECTOR! In Russia, mothers, seeing off their sons to war, traditionally bequeathed them to fight boldly and decisively, without fear of death. What now? Committees of "soldiers '" mothers ... Although it is time to call them not soldiers' mothers, but mothers of synulka ... It's disgusting to look at this.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 11
          -2
          I suggest - to forbid women to go to school
  29. the47th
    the47th 24 December 2012 10: 41
    0
    Quote: Atlon
    And as a result of homosexuals and sissies around ...

    Do not say homosexuals are not taken into the army. And there are women in the army, but for some reason no one complains about them.
  30. Apollo
    Apollo 24 December 2012 10: 44
    +4
    The good news good

    The head of the Ministry of Defense expanded the powers of the commanders

    MOSCOW, December 24. The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu has expanded the powers of the commanders of labor and arms.
    As the Air Force Commander-in-Chief, Lieutenant General Viktor Bondarev, told the press, to the commanders and commanders returned all educational and medical institutions and empowered themselves to decide on the recruitment of cadets
    Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/12/24/1075157.html
    1. Psyjoker
      Psyjoker 24 December 2012 23: 20
      +1
      Good one Oh debatable, oh debatable. Given that the commanders are also glavnyuki.
  31. 120352
    120352 24 December 2012 10: 54
    +1
    You have such a high birth rate in Russia that it is urgently necessary to distract women from this occupation, otherwise soon there will be so many Russians that there will not be five normal children in a kindergarten, but where else to put eight? To school? so there you need to know the Russian language, but we need it! Moreover, Rasia has been our country for a long time, and the Russians do not speak Uzbek anymore. And we have nowhere to live. We need rusky lime, and their apartments are ours! And let the mullahs work with doctors, teachers, lawyers. All the same, there will be sharia. Living on karana we will become like the righteous believers. And so that no paintings and sculptures with ballets! Allah is against!
  32. rapid1934
    rapid1934 24 December 2012 11: 03
    0
    A completely contrived problem, women have long served in the army. It can be seen on top already and there’s nothing to talk about.
    In many places, for a woman this is the only way to get a job, just where she lives there is no other job.
  33. studentmati
    studentmati 24 December 2012 11: 03
    +2
    Continuous throwing in our government: the army is about to be 100% contracted. And now it turns out that the boys are already ending and for the draft army, come on to the army of draft girls?
  34. Ash
    Ash 24 December 2012 11: 06
    -4
    Girls-conscripts in the army, oh how they are needed. Otherwise, what about their male colleagues for a whole year without talking to the fair sex?! Well, you understand. And, if possible, barracks should not be divided into male and female.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 24 December 2012 11: 31
      +4
      Ash,

      Aha and a red lantern above the porch instead of the emergency lighting.
      1. Ash
        Ash 24 December 2012 11: 34
        0
        And not only on the porch, but also in the layouts.
  35. radio operator
    radio operator 24 December 2012 11: 10
    +1
    During the Second World War (World War I) there was a female battalion in the Russian Army, even its representatives had awards.
    But, it is rather an exception.
    To fight is the prerogative of men.
  36. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 24 December 2012 11: 18
    +1
    And what about the command "Lie down!" do now? laughing
    And how will women give honor in the movement? laughing

    There is nothing for women in the army to do. Dot. am
  37. Voin sveta82
    Voin sveta82 24 December 2012 11: 36
    +1
    For centuries, men have defended their homeland ..))) And now the soldiers .... will not be up to military duty ... but to strengthen the instincts of self-reproduction ..))
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 25 December 2012 09: 34
      +1
      Well, the soldiers are unlikely. Rather, the generals want to provide themselves with a permanent residence laughing
  38. understudy
    understudy 24 December 2012 11: 36
    +2
    Personally, no Duma "initiative" will surprise me. Nuuuu ... only if they, as a sign of protest according to the "Magnitsky list", kindle a fire of green pieces of paper. recourse

    And on the subject of okromya hospitals and STATIONARY communication centers they have nothing to do in the Army.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 24 December 2012 11: 43
      +4
      Quote: Understudy
      Personally, no Duma "initiative" will surprise me


      Well, you can also think regularly to collect military training. But then, if tomorrow is the war, they all will wear french coats with large shoulder straps, but they don’t know which side of the machine they should approach or the majority are also not able to draw a tank on the map. Well, the exception Valuev. it’s driven into his brain that the enemy is in the blue corner.

      In addition to hospitals and STATIONARY communication centers, they have nothing to do in the Army

      There are a number of professions where a woman is more diligent and hardy. but in combat units, running with a grenade behind the tank throughout the training ground is not buzzing.
  39. anfreezer
    anfreezer 24 December 2012 11: 41
    +4
    rapid1934 "A completely contrived problem, women have been serving in the army for a long time. Apparently at the top, there is nothing to talk about.
    In many places this is the only opportunity for a woman to get a job - there is simply no other job where she lives. "
    I totally agree! Why do women join the army? There are several categories. The first is the wives of the military, most of them. The main reason: the husband’s salary is not enough to somehow feed the family. The second reason is that in most military units women no longer have the opportunity to earn money. The second category is women who are looking for social security: after all, the army promises a stable salary, a social package: own housing after the end of the service (?), Free treatment. The last category - their units - are women who really want to be a professional military man. There are no casual women in the army. Most often people come here for acquaintance - wives, relatives, acquaintances of the military. The bulk - without a military education.
    So they serve mainly as signalmen and nurses, tacitly agreeing to any amount of money allowance. Well, so. if the staffing table allows, if there are vacant positions, then why not ... Maybe at least an example for "kosyachnikov" (which I certainly doubt) smile ...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 December 2012 20: 07
      +2
      Quote: anfreezer
      The second reason is that in most military units women no longer have the opportunity to earn money.

      That's right, especially in remote garrisons. And even sometimes not because of earnings, anyway, except for vacation, you won’t spend too much. You’ll just be mad to sit in four walls waiting for your husband from the service. Service housing is not your own farm, you can’t turn around there with the farm wink
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 24 December 2012 22: 15
      +1
      Such agitation of spitting in the face to those who served urgent, to drive such (and another 100 of them with her) into the barracks. In the canteen, wash and change clothes once a week, head naked, soldier's headwear, kirzachi with footcloths, 12 degrees in the barracks, damn it, but you can’t list them all.
  40. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 24 December 2012 12: 05
    0
    Now many girls are courageous men. So many half * ediks walk the streets.
  41. maxondorkin
    maxondorkin 24 December 2012 12: 26
    +2
    before lived, of course, the girls and now serve on contract and in officer positions and warrant officers. but to call them as conscripts, and what kind of office ??? guys who mow should be kapets how embarrassing. on the other hand, for a girl from the hinterland to get into the army as an invitation to a big city, conclude a contract will receive an apartment and find a guy. it will be funny if a contractor girl in the position of shooter finds a guy for himself and he turns out not to be serving and is not going to.
  42. vladek64
    vladek64 24 December 2012 12: 55
    +1
    Nature seeks equilibrium.
    If women take on more and more male responsibilities, men will become more feminine.

    So if we want to remain men, then we should protect our women from men's work. The army is men's work.

    The combat service of women has never been of a MASS character. And this is completely natural. It's not just about physiology, but also about the psyche. The life of a warrior often causes such shifts in the female psyche that it becomes unsuitable for a normal "peaceful" life. If I am not mistaken, Louis 14 forbade taking women into the army "because of their excessive cruelty."
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 December 2012 20: 11
      -1
      Quote: vladek64
      Never Fighting service women was MASS.
      But why? History brought to us the legends about the kingdom of the Amazons, it was there. The only fact that, with all its exoticism, did not last long, suggests that this idea was not very successful even during the time of much simpler weapons. By the way, their capital was located on the site of the current Odessa wink
  43. wulf66
    wulf66 24 December 2012 14: 57
    +5
    A woman in the army is completely complete nonsense. I can understand wartime service in auxiliary areas: communications, medical services, etc., in order to free men for the most dangerous areas. In general, it’s time to tie up with emancipation, it will not lead to anything good.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 25 December 2012 14: 12
      -1
      Can you argue why delirium?
  44. toguns
    toguns 24 December 2012 15: 35
    -4
    Quote: wulf66
    A woman in the army is completely complete nonsense. I can understand wartime service in auxiliary areas: communications, medical services, etc., in order to free men for the most dangerous areas. In general, it’s time to tie up with emancipation, it will not lead to anything good.

    emancipation say well.
    you tell them :)

    Ekaterina Illarionovna MIKHAILOVA-DEMINA reconnaissance marines
    Natalya Fyodorovna Meklin Taman night bombers regiment
    Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko, sniper
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 December 2012 20: 19
      +1
      Quote: toguns
      you tell them :)

      Why talk? I can also list a dozen well-known glamorous party-goers, but does it prove that the male gender is warrior and the country's defender finally degenerated? wink We also read higher mathematics Zoya Yakovlevna Fenenko, a sniper from the Second World War (it was impossible to write off from her). She fought well, returned alive and not disabled, but she did not feel much enthusiasm for that part of her biography. And she didn’t at all advocate that girls start accepting girls in the engineering school of submarine officers wink
  45. plebs
    plebs 24 December 2012 15: 36
    +1
    The last business of women in the army to shave. Deputies would be better off to ensure that women in industry and agriculture are provided with jobs and good salaries.
  46. toguns
    toguns 24 December 2012 15: 37
    0
    Ekaterina Illarionovna MIKHAILOVA-DEMINA
  47. Psyjoker
    Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 00
    +2
    Against the call. A woman should give birth and raise warriors, and not become them.

    I completely forgot to emphasize - our army is a peculiar place and I saw these serving madam. Uncle Vasya, in a drunken stupor, doesn’t swear or fuck up like these ladies in uniform. I do not speak for everyone, of course, but there is definitely a trend. Feminine and beautiful, and so it becomes a little, we must protect them.
  48. georg737577
    georg737577 24 December 2012 16: 09
    +1
    The fact that women serve in the NATO army is their business, I don’t care whether to shoot a woman or a man ... In general, there is no place for a woman in our army. Wrong brains and too much.
  49. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 24 December 2012 16: 20
    +4
    I must say, there are quite a lot of women in the Russian army: these are both air defense, and doctors, and various legal and financial services. (By the way, in Soviet times, even the legal department of the unit parachuted in the Airborne Forces.)
    And they often behave much more decent than most men.
    In the West, women are taken into infantry from the fact that there is a total lack of staff, too few people who want to serve in the West even under contract. With Israel, too, everything should be clear: in a 6 millionth country, every hand that can hold a weapon is worth its weight in gold.
    But in Russia there is another misfortune: in Russia, conscripts are engaged in anything, but not combat training. Well, there are no people who want to lose a year of life by scrubbing the floors, cleaning snowdrifts, cooking in the kitchen, seeing weapons once a week, and even in the best case.
    It is believed that by encouraging women to military service, it will be possible to get rid of at least these problems.
    But not motorized gunners. And you go, you’ve seen enough of the bald Demi Moore.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 December 2012 16: 29
      -2
      In the West, women are taken into infantry because there is a total lack of staff, too few people who want to serve in the West even under contract. With Israel, too, everything should be clear: in the 6-millionth country, every hand that can hold a weapon is worth its weight in gold.

      Not really for this reason. There is no shortage of combat units in the West, and in Israel there is generally a competition for a place in combat units. Men don’t like to serve in some specialties, for example, sit on 12 hours in front of the monitor and they send ladies there. The reason is emancipation and equality. Women go into politics (this does not bother us anymore) and into the army.
    2. Psyjoker
      Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 29
      -1
      Plus. Conscripts do not want to serve in the army simply because they do not want to do any nonsense for a year like painting grass or cutting boards for the unit commander. If you imagine the army in the form of a pool, then we have it filled with shit, and the men especially do not want to dive there. And you need to fill the pool.
    3. thatupac
      thatupac 24 December 2012 20: 15
      -2
      Still need to recruit Gaster in the rear units for the money. Anyway.
  50. Psyjoker
    Psyjoker 24 December 2012 16: 44
    +2
    By the way, if you look closely, most of the ladies who want to get into our army live very badly. There is no work and is not expected, because the collective farms, schools and other institutions of Soviet production have been destroyed, the peasant revels in idleness from idleness, all around is devastation and poverty. And in the army, under the contract, they pay, feed, give uniforms, and even officers (the classic dream of a woman, replaced by oligarchs after the 90s) walk around. Better than sitting in village X, where there is one cow for ten houses, and that cow is spread over the banks. Now their salaries have also been increased and they "give" apartments, an excellent option for "catching"! smile