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Results of the week. “We don’t have Chicago here, but we don’t like it when we are put under our tail!”

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Part I. “You can legally go. It is difficult to reach


Test on the knowledge of the "orange move"

Ukrainian Ministry of Justice authorized the official use of the words "Jew" and "Zhidovka"

Another epic with the nationalist aspirations of certain forces in Ukraine manifested itself in the outgoing week. With enviable regularity news frankly nationalistic, they came from Kiev even before the party mist-watering Mr. Tyagnibok was in the Verkhovna Rada, but after electing members of the Svoboda party to the Ukrainian parliament, nationalist matters began to acquire a legal shade.

Results of the week. “We don’t have Chicago here, but we don’t like it when we are put under our tail!”


A new scandal in Ukraine broke out after a deputy named Miroshnichenko, discussing the personality of Hollywood actress of Ukrainian origin, Mila Kunis, said that the quote: "She is not Ukrainian, but a little Jew ... Consider it your own language does not turn." Certainly, like Mile Kunis herself, and many in general, for what other purposes Mr. Miroshnichenko turns his tongue, but here is a case that, as is customary to be expressed in such cases, the public was agitated. The matter even reached the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice, from which the elected deputy was expected to react to the words of the people.

The reaction, indeed, did not keep itself waiting, and it was that the Ministry of Justice did not see anything reprehensible in the words of Igor Miroshnichenko. Like, so what do you want from us? Well, the deputy called the actress a Jewish, so well, gentlemen, there is a quite literary word that even Russian classics used in their works, oh, sorry, Ukrainian literature ...

So the classics happened to read other definitions ... Apparently, if such legislators as Miroshnichenko and Irish Faryon, the flagship of Ukrainian electing defending their ally, used words on the letters “b”, “x”, and also on a number of other letters approved by the Ministry of Justice, and they would be "literary."

We will not argue on the topic of good and bad words of the Ukrainian language, which is being mastered by deputy Miroshnichenko, but, based on the open liberalism of the Ministry of Justice, he will have to introduce official permission and, if possible, patent such codicans among the supporters of the Freedom party phrases like “Muscovites klyats” "And" Yid ".

Probably, now the Svoboda party members will even publish their own explanatory dictionary of the most commonly used terms under the name “Pomarancheva Mova” edited by Tyagnibok, Miroshnichenko and Fahrion, not descended from a single Slavic people, but, apparently, from epic tribes of great ukrovs ... In this dictionary, several test phrases will be proposed for those who correspond and who do not comply with the policy of the party.

Try to pass the option of a possible test for the right to become a candidate member of the Freedom Party, which consists of the trinity listed above. Choose the correct expressions from the point of view of Mr. Miroshnichenko and the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice.

The phrase 1: "Scob toby povilazilo, moskalina furious!"

The phrase 2: "Schob you pіdnyalo і hepnulo, zhidovka s Hollywood!"

The phrase 3: "The terms" Jews "," Muscovites "," Ukrainians "can be used in their speech only those whose task is to divide the peoples living in Ukraine (and not only in Ukraine)."

My tongue is my enemy?

Nazarbayev calls to translate Kazakh into Latin

The language passions flared up in the week in another CIS country, from the leadership of which, frankly, nothing like this was expected. President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev in his next address to the parliament of the country unexpectedly touched upon the need to switch the Kazakh language to the Latin alphabet. According to the Kazakhstani leader, it is necessary to start work now on translating the state language into the Latin script before the 2025 year. Nursultan Abishevich explains such a move by the fact that the Latin script will allow turning the Kazakh language into a quotation “into the language of modern information”. In addition, the president of friendly Kazakhstan notes that with the presence of Latin citizens of the country will be able to "make a breakthrough" and will receive "unlimited opportunities." Somewhere we have already heard something like this ... When we renamed the police into the police, we were also promised some kind of jerks, or quantum jumps ...



Frankly speaking, it is not entirely clear what jerks and unlimited possibilities the Kazakh leader is talking about, but his plans are truly ambitious. Only Nursultan Abishevich, although his country borders on the Celestial Empire, forgets that, perhaps in 15-20 years, Kazakhstan, like many other countries that want for one reason or another to change the writing, will have to go at all not to Latin, but to Chinese characters ... If today Nazarbayev believes that the Cyrillic alphabet is inconsistent, then by 2025 the alphabet, which was developed during the feeding of babies by the Roman wolf, could become an archaic. But if so, then what should the people of Kazakhstan, the modernity of which President Nazarbayev so happy about, do? We'll have to give some tips on the universal transition.

Council first.

As soon as the GDP of any state furiously rushes to the first line of the world ranking, we must immediately switch to the alphabet used in this country. In this case, the alphabet can be diluted with letters (symbols) of the alphabets of those states that are included in the most powerful military blocs - just in case.

The second council.

Nazarbayev can be advised to switch to a bit level (binary system). Zeros and ones are super modern. Of course, it will not always be convenient to speak. Well, judge for yourself: drank too much, the language began to stumble, confused a couple of zeros with a pair of ones, but it turns out that in a conversation I insulted the wife of my neighbor in the dacha ... But everything is in the spirit of a new formation: if someone on the fence has an indecent word and writes , it will look much more innovative than today.

In general, all Kazakhstani citizens (well, as we once said to Dmitry Anatolyevich with police and police innovations) will have to say “Rakhmet, Elbasymyz!” ... After all, languages ​​will be modernized - not every leader is given.

Although, that we are all about Kazakhstan, and about Kazakhstan, we didn’t announce anyone about switching to the Latin alphabet, but it’s just to get to a busy avenue - and you can get lost in some shops. Where there was a cigarette stand, now "Tobacco Boutique", where there was a dumpling, - flaunts a bright signboard "Restaurant" Europe, and then all sorts of city-park, coffee-house, glamor-center, etc., etc., etc. ... Eh, where are you, Cyril and Methodius? ..

Return to Eden

Georgian Minister is going to return South Ossetia and Abkhazia through 6-7 years

The new Georgian authorities are full of Abkhaz-Ossetian enthusiasm. Surprisingly, the residents of the two Transcaucasian republics are ready to solve their problems with enthusiasm. True, after secession from Georgia, at least one problem in these republics became less ...

During the week, a member of the Georgian Cabinet, the minister for reintegration (there is such an official in Georgia), Mr. Zakareishvili said that he and other Georgian officials personally planned a number of steps that are intended to show Sukhum and Tskhinvali how peaceful Tbilisi is today. The implementation of these steps will require a time frame, which he designated as “six to seven years.” The self-confidence of the Georgian minister is amazing! Apparently, he expects that during all this time he will be in his ministerial chair. Well, meritorious desire to save one job ... And what will employers say? ..



Zakareishvili said that in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, everyone should see how Georgia will take care of these republics. True, Mr. Minister’s vague plans cause only a desire to shrug. He says: “Today’s Georgia has very little to offer the Abkhaz and Ossetians, but in the future it’s a lot.” And Mr. Zakareishvili states that the Abkhaz and Ossetians do not need to wait for development assistance from Russia, because the quote: "How Russia cares about other nations is well illustrated by the example of the North Caucasus."

Obviously, Paata Zakareishvili, who for a couple with his boss, Mr. Ivanishvili, admitted that he cannot offer anything to South Ossetia and Abkhazia today, will work hard on himself. Interestingly, what does the minister intend to propose to the republics that have left Georgia? Perhaps it will be his personal daily walking tours of the Abkhaz coast in the clothes of the colors of the Abkhaz flag and loud chant of attracting the attention of songs in the Abkhaz language. And, perhaps, it will be laying flowers with the masters of Saakashvili and Ivanishvili to the obelisk who died from bullets and fragments of shells fired by the Georgian army to the residents of Tskhinvali and the Russian peacekeepers. Perhaps other steps ...

However, for the time being, the only suitable step towards reintegration on the part of the official is only the renaming of Tbilisi to Sukhum, and Gori to Tskhinval. Only after this, Zakareishvili will be able to report that he was able to return these settlements to the bosom of Georgia.

In the name of the queen

What kind of gifts do you give on New Year's Eve?

In the meantime, Mr. Zakareishvili promises gifts in the form of some kind of manna from heaven in South Ossetia and Abkhazia (in 6-7 years), in Britain they give gifts to the queen here and now. And what gifts: a whole piece of Antarctica! The press service of Her Majesty reports that now in the territory of the southernmost continent there will be not only Queen Maud Land, but also Queen Elizabeth II Land. Such a gift was received by the British monarch in the year of the celebration of the 60 anniversary of her own time on the throne. It is worth recalling that this is not the first personalized gift for Elizabeth II. Earlier, the famous tower was named after her, where Big Ben keeps track of time.



The new Antarctic territories, which the queen received as a gift, have an area larger than the United Kingdom itself almost 2 times.

On this occasion, there are considerations: why can the British give names to the Antarctic expanses, and other peoples of the world - no? And after all, a remarkable political loophole for the same Mr. Zakareishvili from the previous material could have been indicated here. The Georgian reintegration minister could use the practice of the British and give such names as “South Ossetia” and “Abkhazia” to two parts of the territory of Antarctica as a gift to the leaders of Georgia. And after all, problems with reintegration are then easily solved ... These territories can even be settled: for example, Mikhail Saakashvili’s inner circle together with the Georgian president himself, who at one time managed to ensure that now Zakareishvili had something to do in his ministry. No peacekeepers will interfere with the establishment of constitutional order: democratize penguins, do you want, seals, do you want ...

Who are the judges?

How Putin and Zorkin Argued About Knowledge of the Constitution

During the week, the All-Russian Congress of Judges added sharpness to the internal political life of the country. In general, a very bland event, which could be called a person on duty, suddenly turned into a very piquant political dish. Salt and pepper appeared in this dish due to the outlined local opposition of President Putin and the head of the Constitutional Court Zorkin. Putin at the judges ’congress declared that in Russia it was necessary to immediately introduce an institution of administrative proceedings, through which Russian citizens could resolve disputed issues with the authorities. However, Zorkin, in response to Putin’s words, said that Russia could do without an administrative court through the Supreme Arbitration and the Supreme Court. And at the same time he made it clear that it was time for the Constitutional Court to secure also the right to annul acts adopted by the courts.



Further, the situation reminded the duel of two fencers who tried to prick an opponent. Vladimir Putin noted that he himself is well acquainted with the Constitution, in which it is written in black and white about the administrative judicial sphere, but Zorkin made his attack and stabbed the president in the form of a joke about Brezhnev, who addressed Indira Gandhi as “dear Margaret Thatcher!” Whether Zorkin compared this tirade with “Brezhnev's anecdotism” Putin’s awareness with the letter of the Constitution is difficult to say, of course, but, nevertheless ... In response, Putin, having parried Zorkin’s attack, completed the anecdote about Leonid Ilyich. But he could also recall the story of A.S. Pushkin about a fisherman and a fish, in which one old woman wanted too many “powers” ​​in the position of first a column noblewoman, and then a ruler of the sea, but in the end she found herself with a leaky washing device ...

What is the strength in, brother?..

How did the opposition burn

Relatives do not choose. It is about this that Oleg Navalny, who at one time managed to light up in the very opaque corridors of one of the departments of the most mobile domestic company, Pochta Rossii, has to talk today. The Investigation Committee decided to test how Oleg Navalny, who worked under the patronage of his “senior”, managed to convince a certain foreign company to conclude an agreement on mail transportation between Moscow and Yaroslavl, as a result of which 55 million rubles were deposited on the brothers ’accounts. Apparently, the RF IC does not understand how any foreign company in general has thought of entering into a contract with the Post of Russia. Maybe I would have understood, but the surname Navalny today acts magically on many, and so they did not stand in the Investigation Committee either. Now the brothers postmen remain under a subscription on their own recognizance.



And one more person, who can identify himself as Russian opposition, may soon go to sunny Siberia - to the city of Angarsk. This man is the same “stolen” Mr. Razvozzhaev, who, as it turned out, likes to talk nicely with Georgian politicians about the fate of Russia. However, in Angarsk, he did not go at all for this reason, but because in the dashing 90-e earned by ... tyril caps. At least that's what his lawyers say. Like, what is this Themis is so picky about Razvozzhaev: a man with just hats in Angarsk hunted, and she takes him by the breast ...

In general, the Investigative Committee decided to engage in clarifying the secrets of the past of our opposition. Well, what: mail and caps - as an option? If you dig even deeper, there may be something up to vouchers with chewing gum. But if it really goes to Angarsk by the end of the year: well, what is not the Decembrist ...

Part II. "We need to analyze the failure, not to repeat it"

In fourth place

For Israel, Singapore and Syria

The Bonn International Conversion Institute ranked global militarization. The most militarized nations of the world were in the 2012 year Israel, Singapore and Syria. From these countries, armed to the teeth, Russia is almost not lagging behind. is listed at 4-th place. The place is not a prize, and a bit offended that for Singapore, but what can you do? The West does not want to put Russia in the rankings for 1-e place. Neither the military nor the economic or democratic. That one will interfere, then another. Something does not work out with gender stereotypes, it turns out that Navalny and Udaltsov lack freedom of speech and action, then there is not enough points for the safety of citizens. What did not grow together in the military rating? It seems that Yarsy is there, and Topol is planted, and terrible rumors are circulating about Iskander in the West.

It turns out that pedantic German compilers, prone to relative bookkeeping rather than absolute accounting, accrued points based on determining the ratio of a country's military expenditures to its GDP, and not at all the amount of spending. From here, the United States, which is ahead of all countries of the world in terms of the so-called “defense” expenditures, took the 30 place in the formidable hit parade. You look at this line - and you think: “What a peaceful, contagious!” And then you translate a glance at position number four - and it becomes terrible.

Here is what they say about the Russian "non-prize" place:

"Compared to the United States (30-i position), Russia (fourth position) continues to demonstrate a higher level of militarization, even though the net military budget of the United States is much larger and in sum - 689 billion dollars - still ranks first place in the world. "


But what about the US! China, which is advancing on America’s heels in the arms race, turned out to be in eighty-second place. With a military budget of 129 billions of dollars.



The Germans also took into account the number of reservists. In fact, judging by the size of the population and the term service that many citizens undergo, not counting the lame and the oblique, Russia should have risen higher than Singapore or Syria. However, in Bonn, they flexibly approached the question of how to push the Russians off the odd pedestal.

Yes, in the Russian Federation there are enough of those who can be conventionally called “reservists”: here you’ve got comrades with battered military IDs who have long since served you, university students with military departments, people who are partially fit for military service, and even draftees who haven’t served. But the picky Germans do not believe that "in a real military conflict, all this army existing on paper will have some kind of combat value."

The warriors of Israel and Syria (for some reason, they are silent about Singapore) "army training regularly takes place, which means that they can at least shoot to old age."

The awkward Teutonic irony must have referred us to the traditional Russian drunkenness - the only occupation that the Russian peasant is able to indulge in just “regularly”, reaching in this very “extreme measure”. They say in Bonn there is a Russian anecdote in the course: “We know the measure, but will you drink it?”

At the same time, it should be noted that the Germans never “lowered” Russia below the tenth place. It was first included in the index in the 1992 year, that is, two decades ago. The burghers of Iskander are afraid, and they are also afraid to freeze without gas.

But the Germans did away with Ukraine and Belarus without fear. Ukraine took the 20-place, and Belarus was not lucky to be on the 16-m.

Rumor has it that Comrade Lukashenko, who recently declared himself the last dictator of Europe, is already preparing an answer to the rating herr from Bonn, who - in collusion with the authors of other ratings - only think about how to insult a decent In all respects, Minsk is another European dish.

In the meantime, “Batka” thinks, the Belarusian press has already begun artillery preparation: the popular Ezhednevnik edition has written that since 2000, the country has “frozen” in the second ten of the most militarized states of the planet, and this “can hardly be called a reason for pride”.

What kind of pride is there, if Russia is not followed by Belarus and Ukraine, but Jordan and Cyprus! One consolation: neither Ukraine, nor Belarus, nor even more so than Russia, the backward Americans and are not suitable for holding shoes.

Naked and frozen

Ukrainian activists undressed in Sweden, protesting against orders in Egypt

January 20 "in the snowy world of Stockholm, the apocalyptic, from the point of view of Islamism, the picture opened." So on site "Femen" begins a short press release on the new stock movement. This time, the glorious pretty girls were bare in Stockholm. They showed not only breasts, but everything else to a swedish-looking public. Not frightened them and light frost.



And then - after all, Aliya Al Mahdi, an Egyptian activist, whose heart Mohammed Mursi is not exactly the same as, say, the heart of the famous Inna Shevchenko, arrived in Sweden with the Ukrainians.

Aliya also showed the Swedes everything that was with her.

The protest at the walls of the Egyptian embassy in Sweden was directed against, quote, "the religious bondage of the latter-day prophet." “Femen” believe that the time has come to “support the Egyptian heroes opposing the sharia-dictatorial project of the constitution of President Mursi”. As soon as this Islamist, and concurrently the Pharaoh, will be thrown out, the people of Egypt will have a chance for "decent democratic development."

In photos that have bypassed the Internet, three feminists at the embassy shamefully cover their genitals with models of “Torah”, “Koran” and “Bible”. Until now, it was not known that Mursi, to whom the Muslim Brotherhood had long interpreted the Quran, occasionally looks into the original sources of related religions.

However, on the website of the international movement "Femen" everything is explained:

"The three posters in the hands of the activists symbolize the three main religious books, so Femen warns the world about the dangers of the theocratization of constitutions."


It is unlikely that the President of Egypt will bother to read the posters of Ukrainian feminists, even if short slogans are written in accessible English, and not in barbarian Cyrillic. M. Mursi has his own plans for the future of the Egyptian people (or rather, not quite their own, but joint, prompted to him by the “Brothers”).

What will happen to the president if the meaning of what was said in democratic Stockholm does not reach him? Here's what:

“Femen” warns the Muslim brother Mursi that if he gives an order to shoot at his own people, then the last refuge will be not the honorable pyramids, but Nil’s teeming crocodiles. ”


One could already guess who will lead the “last and decisive battle” in Cairo, but ... But, I am afraid, the devout Egyptians will not appreciate the democracy that is personified by the Ukrainian woman’s naked bodies. And they will even less appreciate Aliya’s attractive nude figure. Traditionalist society is strong just for its strong conservatism with respect to moral values, and it will not go into the “final and decisive battle” behind the hologrud of democracy. Rather, it will go against such freedoms, which is why the “brother” Mursi will only win.

As for tolerant Stockholm, the performance of “Femen” was quite appropriate there ...

Obama instead of un

The editors of "Time" did not have enough spirit to place an atomic communist on the cover.

A week ago, it became known that the famous Man Kim Jong-un - a vigorous North Korean leader, who launches rockets with satellites and builds a bright future for his people without looking at the United States, could become the “Man of the Year” from the American Time magazine. Most readers of the popular weekly online survey chose "Man of the Year" is the leader of the DPRK.



In the rating, compiled on the basis of opinions of the readership, Comrade Eun won with an incredible margin: about 5,6 million people voted for him. American satirist and popular TV presenter Jon Stewart, who turned out to be in the 2-th place, scored 2,4 million votes. Third place was given to the collective image of an illegal immigrant (1,55 million votes).

But neither Eun, nor Stuart, nor the “collective image” were on the cover of the magazine.

The fact is that in the editorial board of “Time” they wanted to sneeze on the opinions of readers, and the survey itself there long ago turned into a formal act, which is nonetheless involved - because it attracts numerous visitors to the web resource. Decision on the "winner" take correspondents and editors whose opinions are summarized by the executive executive.

And suddenly, "The Man of the Year - 2012" became ... Barack Obama.

Of course, the win-win option is to print on the cover a portrait of a native president, even in such gloomy colors that the designer and photographer chose. A portrait of Kim Jong-un — for example, against the background of nuclear warheads, cotton cloths and smiling Korean women in khaki — would have looked, of course, much more festive. The dull Obama in the photo must be the personification of the economic crisis that has razed America to a “fiscal cliff” (fiscal cliff).

And so that readers understand the idea of ​​the editors correctly, the choice in the journal explained:

"Despite the crisis and the impasse, President Barack Obama retained the confidence of the Americans and thus got a chance to revive the hope that inspired the country."


Thus, “Time” delicately warned the president: while we pray to you, the owner of the Oval Office, but one more wrong step, Kim Jong-un or his friend Comrade Ahmadinejad will replace your gloomy physiognomy.

It should also be noted that Obama became the “Man” for the second time (the first magazine honoring happened in 2008, after the black candidate won the presidential election). Thereby, again, a thick hint is given to him: you, mate, the second - and the last - is a chance.

Obama’s company is made up of outstanding “people of the year” of past years.

In 1938, the "laureate" was Adolf Gitler. In 1950 and 2003, the “image” of the “American soldier” won in the “competition”. In 1982, the "Man of the Year" became ... a personal computer. M. X. Gorbachev got on the cover of “Time” in 1987. In 2000, the executive editor chose George W. Bush (earlier, ten years ago, his father's bright face was printed on the cover). The youngest was so good in the “human” image that it was reprinted in 2004, a year after the US invasion of Iraq. In 2009, Time captured the jovial Ben Bernanke, the Fed boss. This man could not help but get on the cover: after all, he prints money for all of America, making it rich.

In addition, in the 2001 year in the “title” nominees walked Osama bin Laden.

In fact, all these faces, images and cars are a disguise, counterintelligence is understandable.

Five years ago, "Time" made Comrade Putin's "Man of the Year". Also present on the covers of Joseph Stalin - in 1939-m and 1942-m. Comrades Khrushchev and Andropov, too, were not deprived of editorial attention. So the Kremlin agent Barack Huseynovich Obamkin should be clear who is on the list is a screen, and who is on the case.

And Kim Jong Un is not to worry: his business is young.

Not Gates, not Buffett, not the king, but from the Kremlin, Comrade Putin

"Financial break" America is not terrible, if America sells Alaska

This brilliant idea the other day threw Obama, a representative of the US Treasury Department, Jim Millstein, and the Washington Post journalist Stephen Mafson brought it to the attention of the general public.



The tragic consequences of the impending "cliff" (earlier on the "VO" this was written here) for a couple with an intractable problem 16-trillion-dollar public debt can be easily prevented: you just have to put the state of Alaska up for auction. Countries and individuals would have plunged into the consumer competition, and the whole world would have watched the bidding with passion. Of course, bookmakers would take on competing bets. The starting price of Alaska is 3 trillion dollars.

Who will buy such an expensive and unique product? Bill Gates? Well, except on credit.

Warren Buffett? The same answer.

But even the IMF will not lend to this amount of these enterprising comrades, and they will not have enough of their cash.

Maybe Saudi dynasty? No, they have a very serious competitor on the way.

The first in line for the acquisition would be Russia:

“Vladimir Putin, who seeks to restore the power and glory of Russia, could restore the government’s residence in the former capital of Alaska, Sitka, the southern coastal city in which St. Michael’s Russian Orthodox Church has been preserved.”


In second place is also not the Arabs. While the Saudis are primitively selling their oil, the Chinese, looking to the future, are hunting for energy resources and territories:

"The Chinese could use their three-trillion-dollar reserves, most of which were invested in US debt to absorb Alaska’s natural resources and resettle overpopulated and polluted Chinese cities."


Moreover, this transaction could be carried out by the simple abolition of debt.

Jim Millstein voiced a proposal to sell Alaska at Worton Business School, at a conference on the problem of American debt. The sale of Alaska, in his opinion, could reduce the federal debt by 10-25% of GDP, returning it to a controlled safe framework. By the way, Comrade Millstein defines the best price for Alaska at four trillion dollars.

However, the economist observes, Barack Obama’s latest budget proposals suggest that the deficit from 2013 to 2017. will add 3,44 trillion dollars to government debt. Therefore, after some six years, Americans will have to wrestle with what state to sell.

“Besides Alaska, the government has other territories. It owns 40 and more percent of the states of California, Nevada, Oregon, Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming. Then there are the oil-rich federal waters of the outer continental shelf. ”


If the White House follows the simple ideas of Comrade Millstein, behind which the Kremlin trace is clearly stretching, then in fifty to seventy temporary owners of the Oval Office will sell half the country. Other states that are not in the proposed list could sell themselves - until the price of fragments of America, coming one after the other under the hammer, fell. Who is Texas? Who is Louisiana? Fly, cheaper!

The Russians would buy something, the Chinese something. Some areas on the sly would have departed Soros, Abramovich and Deripaska.

And the White House itself would become a separate dwarf state. Like Monaco. There, Obama's heir, sipping a dark honey beer in the Oval Office, would play with the former State Department employees in the board game Hegemony.

* “We don’t have Chicago here, but we don’t like it when we are put under our tail!” - phrase from the movie “Deja Vu”
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  1. hrych
    hrych 22 December 2012 09: 47
    +14
    Nazarbayev would have immediately switched to Chinese characters.
    1. bask
      bask 22 December 2012 10: 35
      +44
      Quote: hrych
      Nazarbayev would have immediately switched to Chinese

      I suggest that A. Valuev be sent as an ambassador to Georgia .. Of course, with a Georgian letter, Tugan ... But the sakashvilli will be an alkaline student. If that’s in, Tambourine ,,, wassat
    2. Igor
      Igor 22 December 2012 11: 02
      -2
      Quote: hrych
      Nazarbayev would have immediately switched to Chinese characters.


      What difference does it make, or have you already learned the Kazakh language, and then suddenly out of nowhere appeared in ....... laughing
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 22 December 2012 13: 17
        +3
        Quote: Igorek
        or you have already learned the Kazakh language

        No, not learned, while refreshing the knowledge of AK.
        Therefore, do not care what letters Kazakhstan will use
    3. Dinver
      Dinver 22 December 2012 12: 25
      +7
      Quote: hrych
      Nazarbayev would have immediately switched to Chinese characters.


      Yes, let it immediately go to Yiddish that we don’t understand where the legs grow from. wink
    4. askort154
      askort154 22 December 2012 12: 30
      +2
      Quote KHRYCH Nazarbayev would have switched right away to Chinese characters.

      100% that first came to my mind! This is the second visit of Kazakhs on this topic. The former republics - the subsidies of Russia did not come up with anything new - to live at the expense of Russia. Total blackmail: Aliyev-Karabakh, "Gabala", rapprochement with Israel and the United States, Moldova with Romania, Ukraine with Sevastopol and the EEC, Tajiks and Kirgiz with our military bases, Uzbeks do not know what (Karimov is stupidly afraid of Gaddafi's fate) Nazarbay is like that the same goose. Sucking from Russia, and at the same time screaming about Russia's imperial ambitions, this is not an economy, but a vile, venal policy. Therefore, these countries are remembered in international politics only because they border on Russia, one of the main countries on the planet, for hundreds of years!
      1. Vodrak
        Vodrak 22 December 2012 14: 34
        +19
        Dear, I would not advise you to speak so about a friendly country for Russia. People like you ("cool and proud" "Russians" ""), thinking that only they, living in the Russian Federation, are the coolest and Russia feeds everyone, spoil the attitude towards Russia on the part of such countries as Kazakhstan. Your ignorance about the Republic of Kazakhstan may possibly excuse you, but believe your remarks about the presidents of other countries against the background of your, forgive me, limited knowledge about other countries does not do you credit. that's what people say. Think about it.
        1. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 22 December 2012 15: 10
          +2
          It is interesting to see the Kazakh alphabet in Latin, and what Latin letters or additives will indicate some consonants that are pronounced in a special way?
          1. Vodrak
            Vodrak 22 December 2012 15: 19
            -6
            By the way, in the 30s of the 20th century, Kazakhs wrote in Latin.
            1. AndreyAB
              AndreyAB 24 December 2012 10: 06
              0
              The future did not happen from what they wrote in Latin about the jump in the euro, and judging by the prospects, too, it seemed that it was a bit tight.
            2. FunkschNNX
              FunkschNNX 24 December 2012 15: 02
              0
              as long as 11 years, despite the fact that literacy was, God forbid, 5%.
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 22 December 2012 18: 46
          0
          . "Sometimes it is better to remain silent - you will pass for a smart one." that's what people say.
          As I understand it, is this advice to Nozarbayev ??
        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 23 December 2012 00: 15
          +3
          Quote: Vodrak
          . Think about it.

          And what do we think, we have long since come up with everything and are proud of it, but for so many centuries of your ancient race of the alphabet you couldn’t come up with it and now it’s weak because the new ninety percent of your population can’t master it and you want to go to Latin like parrots.
          1. romb
            romb 23 December 2012 18: 35
            +4
            Before you start judging that other people will or will not overpower, you (personally) would obviously not hinder to start self-education for a start:
            - Kazakhs are not a race, but a nationality;
            - and, in general, maybe all the same races, not "races;
            - because, and not "by that"
            In addition, you have serious problems with punctuation.
            With regard to the romanization of the Kazakh language. It's not about "parrots" but about the elementary inconvenience of using the existing layout. Sometimes I have to type a text in Kazakh - this is some kind of masochism. Who does not believe - let him try!
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 23 December 2012 18: 44
              +5
              How long ago did Kazakhstan manage to transfer 100% of the population exclusively to electronic media? As far as we know, even Japan has not yet succeeded. I agree, the layout is brutally inconvenient, but what is the percentage of the population of those who are forced to use it? Isn't it easier to make a more convenient layout than to translate ALL the documentation of the WHOLE country from Cyrillic to Latin? Do schoolchildren write SMS in English? And so what, even a few years ago in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine they also did this (until the Russified phones appeared). But for some reason the idea of ​​"jumping to the Latin alphabet" did not appear. Although there are not more "budget sawflies" here.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 19: 01
                +2
                In Kazakhstan for 10 years, one hundred percent computerization of schools. Some textbooks are already being issued in electronic form. Computers already have more than half of the country's population, according to the Agency for Informatization and Communications. Well, the mass distribution of laptops, tablets, smartphones, netbooks and other IT joys makes you think about changing the alphabet of not only a schoolboy, but also an elderly official who recently asked the secretary to turn on the computer.
                Personally, in my family, only the grandmother of the 20th birthday does not sit at the computer. But uses a hundredth. Although SMS can not write :)))
                Well, if you think that the translation into the Latin alphabet will complicate the life of an aul shepherd or someone else who does not use a computer, then, frankly, he does not really need "documentation" in Cyrillic either. And it will be necessary - then in a couple of days he will get used to reading in Latin. Almost everyone knows the Latin alphabet thanks to school.
                In addition, now when more materials are published in electronic form, the process of translation into a new alphabet will be less painful and lengthy than it would be 20 years ago.
                And do not be afraid that Kazakhs will no longer understand the Cyrillic alphabet after a generation :) The Russian language remains in the school curriculum along with English. So any graduate who has studied in the Kazakh Latin alphabet can easily read our dialogue with you.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 23 December 2012 19: 47
                  +4
                  It only remains for you to rejoice. In Ukraine, the translation of documentation from Russian into mov caused only a mess and a bunch of discrepancies
                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  And do not be afraid that Kazakhs will no longer understand the Cyrillic alphabet after a generation :) The Russian language remains in the school curriculum along with English. So any graduate who has studied in the Kazakh Latin alphabet can easily read our dialogue with you.

                  Why should I be afraid? Do not experiment with me. I only know that Georgians (most young people) have already ceased to understand the written text in Russian. Apparently, they do not need him. You won’t succeed? Although, this is your country and your choice
                  1. romb
                    romb 23 December 2012 19: 54
                    +1
                    We are unlikely to face Georgian scripts. Almost all Kazakhs have friends, relatives or close colleagues from among Russian citizens. And to be honest, there is no significant misunderstanding between us that could complicate the coexistence of two ethnic groups in Kazakhstan in the future.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 23 December 2012 20: 42
                      +5
                      Quote: romb
                      And to be honest, there is no significant misunderstanding between us that could complicate the coexistence of two ethnic groups in Kazakhstan in the future.


                      Add a few not in the subject, but in the sequel.

                      In Soviet times, one way or another, mixed marriages took place. Kazakhs and Slavs. (My wife is a mestiska from Kazakh and Ukrainian). And now, the downward trend is not observed, on the contrary, is increasing. And according to biological laws, mestizos are both healthier and more beautiful, that is, they absorb the peculiar beauty of both parents. I can imagine my people in 100-200-300 years.
                      1. Beck
                        Beck 24 December 2012 13: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Beck
                        In Soviet times, one way or another, mixed marriages took place. Kazakhs and Slavs.


                        I’ll add it to myself. And not only Kazakhs and Slavs, but also other peoples of Kazakhstan. For a long time I could not breathe from laughter from one incident. At the same time, he was satisfied with the emerging demographic situation.

                        On a Kazakhstani television channel, a middle-aged man was saying something. Below the credits with the name of the speaker surfaced.

                        IVAN GANSOVICH BOLATBEKOV.

                        There are many options. One of them might be like that. Grandfather KAZAKH, the grandmother is GERMAN. The son was given the name Hans at the insistence of the grandmother. Hans married RUSSIAN and at her insistence, his son was named Ivan. These are the pies.
                      2. FunkschNNX
                        FunkschNNX 24 December 2012 15: 07
                        0
                        "And according to biological laws mestizo are healthier and more beautiful" not a fact, ask any doctor or biologist, this idea was and remains "pseudoscientific".
                      3. Beck
                        Beck 24 December 2012 17: 04
                        +3
                        I am a doctor myself. There’s not enough format to just explain to you. Yes, and you have to turn to medical terms and biological concepts that, without an appropriate education, will be for you only a bunch of words that are incomprehensible to you.

                        With a position like yours, it is necessary to cancel the whole theory of the evolution of living things.
                      4. FunkschNNX
                        FunkschNNX 24 December 2012 18: 02
                        0
                        So I heard from doctors that only in the first generation of mestizos MEET statistically significant reductions in the number of hereditary diseases, etc., and then everything is as usual. Moreover, for full-fledged offspring, it is enough to simply avoid incest. The rest is already something like a telegraphy - it seems like a beautiful idea, but it’s a complete nonsense.
                        I heard from dog handlers that the first mating should only be done with a thoroughbred dog, but this is the personal opinion of some dog breeders from the series professional tales, most dog lovers definitely say: all this garbage.
                      5. Beck
                        Beck 24 December 2012 18: 33
                        +1
                        I, as a doctor, said everything.

                        I’m not a veterinarian and I can’t say anything about mating. And I never talked with dog lovers.
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 21: 29
              +2
              Misanthrope,
              Is it really that they study Russian in schools in Georgia?
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 23 December 2012 21: 51
                0
                Now I do not know. But here in the fact that in all schools of Kazakhstan all students are polls-honors, frankly, poorly trusted. In Soviet times, education was better delivered than now, but how many students could communicate in written English ?. Communicate, not a couple of phrases with a dictionary to construct

                But, again, this is your business and your choice. Do you think that this will be better - go ahead. Although for nodular writing, there is not even a pen needed. But if, as a result of this transition, the Kazakhs will have a lot of problems with partnership, work, etc., Russia should not be blamed (as Georgian politicians like to do now)
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 05: 00
                  +2
                  Misanthrope,
                  Have you noticed that the Kazakhs on this forum usually write more correctly than the Russians themselves? What are your feelings about schooling in the KZ based on? By comparison with the situation of the Russian language in Georgia? Wacky comparison. And why not compare with the situation of the Russian language in Poland, Mongolia or Costa Rica? What is the relationship between Georgian secondary education and Kazakh?
                  The fact that Kazakhs speak and write Russian better than Russians is a parable.
                  In 2010, Kazakhstani schoolchildren won 638 awards at international olympiads (gold - 173, silver - 206, bronze - 237), 22 diplomas. In 2011 - more than 900 medals and diplomas.
                  The national team of Kazakhstan not only entered the top ten countries of the world, but also confidently bypasses the European teams, competing with students in the USA and China.
                  And here - http://rus.azattyq.org/content/article/1359548.html there is an interesting article on how the Western press reacts irritably to the fact that schoolchildren from Kazakhstan "trample" their Western European peers.
                  Of course, we have a lot of problems in education, but we don’t really need to sprinkle our heads with ashes, as you can see.
                  Regarding the English language, it was already mentioned here that in Kazakhstan the task was set to achieve universal trilingualism (Kazakh, Russian, English). Moreover, learning these languages ​​begins with a kindergarten. And in schools and universities, some of the subjects will be taught only in English.
                  And we shouldn't try to intimidate us with the alleged problems "with work and partnership". Firstly, Kazakhs do not go to Russia to work, unlike citizens of your country. Secondly, I do not see a connection between the transition of the Kazakh language to the Latin alphabet and the deterioration in the knowledge of the Russian language - children will already know the Cyrillic alphabet, because Nobody cancels the Russian language in schools. Thirdly, we are worn out with our Georgia - Russian is not taught there at all for obvious reasons. Fourth, just a big human thank you for “giving the go-ahead” to the transition of the Kazakh language to the Latin alphabet, albeit in an offensive form. And leave the nodular letter as a souvenir. Perhaps it will come in handy when you yourself go to work in Russia, or even to Kazakhstan. We do not yet need such writing, as well as work abroad.
                  Thank you for your sincere concern for the foolish nomads. I will definitely hang your avatar in my yurt and will constantly consult with her in all matters related to Kazakh culture.
                  Z.Y. And what do you have, by the way, written in Latin nickname? :)))))) What inconsistency :)))))
                2. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 05: 18
                  +2
                  Boston College (Boston College) has published a ranking of mathematical and scientific knowledge of students in the world. One of the main sensations was that Kazakhstan confidently became one of the leaders. Kazakhstani schoolchildren very successfully passed exams in mathematics and “science” (the concept of science covers knowledge from the fields of physics, chemistry, biology, and other disciplines), taking, respectively, fifth and eleventh places.

                  A large-scale study covered about 425 thousand students from 37 countries (each country provided about 4 thousand students from 150 schools).

                  The top ten countries whose fourth-graders passed the math test best of all included: Hong Kong (607 points), Singapore (599), Taiwan (576), Japan (568), Kazakhstan (549), Russia (544), England (541), Latvia (537), the Netherlands (535) and Lithuania (530). The USA took 11th place (529). Even lower are Germany (525), Italy (507).

                  The “science” exam was the best for Singapore students (587). Following are Taiwan (557), Hong Kong (554), Japan (548), Russia (546), Latvia (542), England (542), USA (539), Hungary (536) and Italy (535). Kazakhstan was in 11th place (533)ahead of Germany (528), Sweden (525).

                  “British students are leading mathematics in the Western world, but the great nation of Borat Kazakhstan shamed us” (Daily Mail): “Our decades were ahead of their peers from the USA, Australia and New Zealand, as well as other parts of Europe, including Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Sweden However, the news about the results of the international comparison of 425 thousand children is not so good. The English children, in turn, were overtaken by young people from Kazakhstan, the former Soviet republic, which Borat, the comic character of Sasha Baron Cohen, portrayed as a nation of simpletons barely touched by civilization. Experts say that Kazakhstan owes its success to traditional curricula and a belief in the importance of mathematics and science. Although poverty is widespread in an oil-producing country, the middle class is already emerging there, striving to obtain a rigorous academic education. ”

                  The Telegraph cites the opinion of Michael Gov, the secretary of school for the shadow cabinet: “This report shows that we are in the second row in the field of education at the global level after Asia, which goes further and further ahead. Parents will be concerned that our math results are inferior to those of Kazakhstan. ”
                3. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 05: 19
                  +3
                  The results of the study caused a stormy reaction in Austria. The local website TT.com writes that residents of Tyrol question the reliability of the results. The discontent here is that only three state schools in the region were covered by the test. But the Austrians even more doubted that Kazakhstan was ahead of their country. Erwin Kohler, President of the Tyrol State School Board, states: “In addition, Kazakhstan is higher than us. However, he receives assistance from Upper Austria and Germany for developing countries in the school sector. ”

                  The leading Vienna newspaper die Presse is much less emotional. She only states that the level of knowledge in the country's schools has become lower, and "boys and girls in countries such as Kazakhstan or Latvia decide better."

                  New Zealand took 23rd place in the ranking, ahead of only the Czech Republic, Ukraine and several other countries. The publication of the island state National Business Review in the article “New Zealand schoolchildren are behind in mathematics and science from Kazakhstan” writes: “An international study in the field of mathematical and scientific knowledge shows that New Zealand elementary students are behind their peers in Kazakhstan, a country that comedian Borat portrays as a nation of simpletons. "

                  The website Stuff.co.nz reprints an article from the Dominion Post newspaper under the following heading: “Kiwi children are behind Kazakhstan in science” [New Zealand is called the country of kiwi].
                  ========
                  This is a 2008 article. Now the number of Kazakhstani schoolchildren’s awards has become even greater, and Western Europeans are already calmly reacting to the fact that Kazakhstan is above them. Although this year the West again started pooping when Kazakhstan held its place in the top ten at the London Olympics :))))
              2. Reader
                Reader 25 December 2012 09: 00
                -1
                The fact that Kazakhs speak and write Russian better than Russians is a parable.

                Is that a parable? sad In 92-94 I served in the unit where 3/4 were Kazakhs. For two years I got to know the Kazakhs very closely. Young people who speak Russian normally - 10%, all - from big cities. One said that his mother took him to a Kazakh school, and then his grandmother came, took him from class and took him to Russian, only for this he knows Russian well. The remaining 90% - from "not very" to "nothing"! What kind of literacy is there? What are you speaking about?
              3. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 25 December 2012 17: 03
                +2
                What kind of Russian part is this, in which the inhabitants of Kazakhstan served until 1994? Yes, and in such quantity ???
                Or did you serve in Kazakhstan? then what does it mean "got acquainted with the Kazakhs"? have you seen them before?

                secondly, even if we imagine that in general all Kazakhs completely forgot the Russian language, how does this affect their literacy? or are you one of those people who think that special literature exists only in Russian, and education can be obtained exclusively in Russian?
              4. Reader
                Reader 26 December 2012 03: 54
                0
                Instead of. to look for a catch in my words, it would be better if I first thought that you were writing. All that you wrote is blah blah blah ... And I'm talking about what really happened, in which I myself participated. So that you do not doubt - military unit 12899, about. Sakhalin, Kholmsky district, pos. Pure
                or are you one of those people who think that special literature exists only in Russian,

                Balabol, show me where I talked about special literature? I spoke about Kazakhs' knowledge of the Russian language! About your supposedly talk of the town! No need to divert the conversation to the side. Nothing to say - better keep silent.
  2. Beck
    Beck 23 December 2012 20: 16
    +3
    It may well be that an additional reason for the transition to the Latin alphabet could also be an incident two years ago.

    They signed some kind of agreement, or an agreement, maybe not at the government level, with some Latin American country. When it was time to finally put the signatures, it turned out that the Kazakh text of the agreement, in some place, was not authentic to the Spanish text. Now I don’t remember whether Kazakh translators messed around, or Spanish.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 21: 42
      +3
      usually with which country the agreement is signed in three languages ​​- our state language, their state language and English. In case of inconsistency of the texts or controversial issues, the English text is a priority.
      and inconsistencies in agreements are not uncommon throughout the world. they put the comma in the wrong place, did not take into account the polysemy of the word, used the wrong term, etc.
      By the way, a funny incident was in our Foreign Ministry in the early 90's. Georgians sent a document in Georgian without translation. And ours are accustomed to correspond with the CIS countries in Russian. Had some fun, found a local Georgian - he translated everything. We sent them a response letter in Kazakh. And if in Kazakhstan you can easily find a Georgian, then in Georgia with Kazakh speakers, essno, tension. In short, after this, the Georgians began to send letters in Russian. Well, or in Georgian, but with an official translation, but more often they just sent letters in Russian. Now I don’t know what they are sending to, probably already in English with a Russian-speaking escort from the embassy.
    2. viach
      viach 23 December 2012 22: 11
      +2
      Illiterate translation could not depend on the type of letters.
  3. Cat
    Cat 23 December 2012 20: 33
    +4
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    the massive distribution of laptops, tablets, smartphones, netbooks and other IT joys makes you think about changing the alphabet of not only a schoolboy, but also an elderly official who recently asked the secretary to turn on the computer.

    Isn't it easier to slightly alter the existing alphabet and correct the grammar - instead of introducing a new one? Like they did in the USSR, when all sorts of "yati" were removed from the Russian.

    IMHO, replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet "in view of universal computerization" is such noodles that not all ears can withstand.
    For: the keyboard layout, by and large, is not tied to a specific alphabet in any way - the main piano is played by the convenience of typing in a certain language. Many consider the same QWERTY to be outdated, since it was created based not so much on the convenience of typing as on the design features of mechanical typewriters. But computers have no such problem, in principle, any key can be programmed under any letter of any alphabet. Fast and cheap.
    In general, if for the Kazakh language 33 letters of the Cyrillic alphabet was not enough - how are they going to shove all their sounds into 26 letters of the Latin alphabet ??? Shove something, maybe shove it, but the fact that as a result, reading the text, and even more so typing it on the Latin keyboard will be more convenient - is very, very doubtful. Other reasons for changing the alphabet seem much more logical - to cut the budget, lick the West, shit Russia, or promote due to such a high-profile event. Or something else - extremely useful to the authors of the idea, and having nothing to do with the problems of mere mortals.
    1. romb
      romb 23 December 2012 20: 49
      +1
      In general, if for the Kazakh language the 33 letters of the Cyrillic alphabet were not enough ...


      Alas, if that were so!
      We have even more of them, as many as 42 letters. Some of them were forced to place on the numbers.

      Other reasons for changing the alphabet seem much more logical - to cut the budget, lick the West, and shit Russia ....


      Sawed it is a tradition, where without him. Otherwise, we have several million Kazakhs living outside the Republic of Kazakhstan, and most of them use the Latin alphabet. Their wishes also need to be considered.
    2. Beck
      Beck 23 December 2012 21: 15
      +2
      Quote: Cat
      Other reasons for changing the alphabet seem much more logical - to cut the budget, lick the West, shit Russia, or promote due to such a high-profile event


      Well, that such words. To cut - I agree, Rhombus has already said - As without officials. And here Lick, Crap, Popiaria. That is why it is necessary to escalate the confrontation between representatives of two neighboring countries, all the more going to the Union.

      Listen to the Cat your words from the side.

      "The signing of long-term agreements between Russia and Turkey in the field of economy, culture, mutually beneficial cooperation is nothing more than Lick West ".

      "The conclusion of an agreement between the United States and Russia on the use of the US army, the airfield in Ulyanovsk is nothing more than Shit Kazakhstan. "

      "The proposal of the Russian President to begin immediate negotiations on the deployment of NATO missile defense elements in Eastern Europe is nothing more than To promote to the president at the expense of a high-profile event. "

      Well, and how do you like such nonsense? But this is a copy of your delirium on the initiative, which is intended only for internal use in Kazakhstan.
      1. Cat
        Cat 23 December 2012 22: 48
        +2
        let's not distort
        I did not speak about the people of Kazakhstan in general - but only about some individual politicians who are moving a specific idea to the masses. You might think that you have no other problems there, except how to change the alphabet? Oh well. Moreover, the practical benefits of this event are not so obvious, and the arguments are left.

        If you read my entire post, and not just a separate sentence, you would understand: the claim is not to the very fact of switching to the Latin alphabet, but to the reasons why this transition is argued. Left-wing reasons because, neither logically nor economically sound. And since the gentlemen of politics often give suggestions that are not just logic, it’s impossible to explain the vulgar cut of the budget - that's why it remains to suspect the options I have listed.

        As a consolation, I can report that in Ukraine, too, there are enough different kinds of reformers who are happy about the welfare of the people. And in Russia there are such, more than in us and in you together. Politics is generally a dirty thing, they lick and crap there, and do a lot more, and consider this the norm. And with regard to them, all the epithets I used are more likely to be compliments, not insults.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 03: 24
          +3
          Kazakhs want a convenient alphabet. what else do you say?
          we are well aware that this will require large financial costs - this does not scare us.
          we understand that someone is stealing - to hell with them.
          we do not care how it "offends" or "pleases" the neighbors - this is our language.
          we are ready to spend a bunch of dough on such a step. we can afford it. Of course, monolingual neighbors from other countries do not understand why this bilingual nation decided to simplify the spelling of SMS app. when you talk in two completely different languages ​​every day, you may understand that the inconvenience that you now feel small and insignificant in reality greatly complicates everyday life. it is not clear to you, you are measuring in money. and we have enough money. we want comfort. and it’s better to start this process now. tomorrow it will cost us heavier, because in parallel we will have to retrain millions of non-Kazakhs who will sooner or later learn the Kazakh language (without coercion, of course).
          you noticed that here on the forum not a single Kazakh or even a Russian Kazakh said: "No! Let's not change anything !!!" I also don't see such messages. at least it should push the citizen of friendly Ukraine to the idea that maybe Kazakhstanis themselves really want it?
          do you care so much for our state budget? do you form it? this is our money and we spend it the way we want and on what we consider necessary. we spend millions of greens annually on humanitarian aid to all countries, can we not spend money on ourselves?
          do not be afraid, we will not fall into poverty because of the new alphabet. there is another $ 90 billion in the stash for a rainy day, and this stash is growing by 20% a year. we will live somehow.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 04: 14
        +2
        Beck, in order for them to understand the absurdity of the situation with their "advice", you just need to give them political advice every time, being clever about BYuT programs, or write like "Guys, what don't you like Tyagnibok? He's a normal dude. You're wrong, that you do not support him. In Kazakhstan, it seems to us that he is a sane politician ... "And also regularly write that the Ukrainian president licks someone's ass, went crazy from an excess of fat in the body and other offensive messages. First, the comrades "Ukrainian survivors for the Kazakh language" will start to get angry that, they say, Kazakhs are none of your business, how do you know who Tyagnibok is or how you need to relate to the Party of Regions, and then it may slowly start to reach that there are some questions, which do not require "advice" and "experiences" from the outside.
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 21: 57
      +2
      Cat, the overwhelming majority of Kazakhs "FOR" the transition to the Latin alphabet. And there is no political context in this. The Kazakhs believe that it will be more convenient for them. We willingly changed the hymns, moved the capital, and radically changed the Constitution. Only allies and enemies do not change with us.
      Of course, there are Russophobes, Westerners, and supporters of integration with the Muslim world, and even a small part of the Sinophiles is all right, but the overwhelming majority of the Kazakh population firmly believed and still considers Russia and the CIS countries as their main allies and partners. And since the 90s, this is the only main vector of foreign policy, despite good relations with all foreign political poles.
      1. Cat
        Cat 23 December 2012 22: 55
        +1
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Cat, the overwhelming majority of Kazakhs "FOR" the transition to the Latin alphabet. And there is no political context in this. The Kazakhs believe that it will be more convenient for them.

        Survey results, and better referendum - where?

        PS: although, I remember, in 1991 the majority of Kazakhs (and not only Kazakhs) voted in favor of preserving the USSR in an appropriate referendum. But not even a year passed - everyone suddenly became sovereign and independent. How so? Unclear.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 01: 32
          +2
          There is no need for a referendum. The country has been discussing this issue for almost 20 years. It's just that the Russian media have just noticed this. The President announced that we will definitely switch to the Latin alphabet back in the 90s. People generally support this idea. Only those who do not speak Kazakh at all express their dissatisfaction or "fears". They usually see a conspiracy against Russia. These are their problems. When a person wants, he will find enemies everywhere. Even in someone else's alphabet.
          Secondly, regarding the referendum of 1991, let me remind you that it was the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz who actually remained in the USSR when Russia, Ukraine and other republics pulled out of the Soviet Union. We have not only the people, but the power in the republic until the last was for preserving the USSR. And the actual collapse of the country can be considered the moment when your Ukrainian leader, together with Shushkevich and Yeltsin, gathered in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Kazakhs even used Soviet banknotes until the last moment, neighboring republics, including Russia, did not flood us with cars of Soviet rubles. So to your question about misunderstandings, ask your former leaders, not us.
        2. Cat
          Cat 24 December 2012 04: 32
          +1
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          So to your question about misunderstandings ask your former leaders,

          our former leaders should not ask a question. Our former leaders should be asked in the face - that's just how? There are no others, but those farther ...
        3. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 05: 35
          +2
          We have no particular complaints against our leader. Why do you think so?
  • viach
    viach 23 December 2012 22: 19
    +1
    When in Kazakhstan there was a discussion of the transition to the Latin alphabet, some letters (or rather sounds) were proposed to be represented by 2-3 letters of the Latin alphabet. With this approach, you can keep within the 20 letters of the alphabet.
    1. Cat
      Cat 23 December 2012 22: 51
      +2
      Quote: viach
      When in Kazakhstan there was a discussion of the transition to the Latin alphabet, some letters (or rather sounds) were proposed to be represented by 2-3 letters of the Latin alphabet. With this approach, you can keep within the 20 letters of the alphabet.

      With the same success, in any language you can do with 10 letters maximum. Sense at 26 sprayed?
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 01: 41
        +1
        So put yourself three layouts and take a steam bath with them. Sorry, what is already on you, it’s just really possible to explain something to you in scrap. Feeling lost for the fate of the Kazakh alphabet? Ok, I’ll write in Cyrillic - Jäger Sen Cossack Tusinbesen, not Kerek Sagan? There was a survivor here. Tell me honestly that you are enraged that no one asks your opinion. That’s all.
      2. Cat
        Cat 24 December 2012 04: 27
        +2
        Quote: Marek Rozny

        So put yourself three layouts and take a steam bath with them

        I already have three layouts - Ukrainian, Russian, and English. Fortunately, the Russian and Ukrainian alphabets differ in just a couple of letters, and the languages ​​themselves are very similar - the difference between the layouts is small.
        But if you take two languages ​​that have nothing in common except the alphabet - the difference will be the same.

        Try typing in Kazakh at your leisure, but using the Latin alphabet and standard QWERTY - tell me later what happened. No, well, if you type "the one finger method", then it will be quite normal. And if you need to more or less quickly? Oh well.
        You (or, if you like, you) do not want to understand in any way: changing one alphabet to another will not simplify anything. Because, as I said in an adjacent post, the layout does not depend on the alphabet, but on the language. And the inconvenience of your current layout is not due to the Cyrillic alphabet, but to the fact that it was created by stupidly adding the missing letters to the Russian layout of YTsUKEN - which was created for typing Russian.

        In reality, you will have to either get drunk with the layout sharpened for English or compose your own - but then each key will correspond to two completely different letters of the Latin alphabet. What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead.

        Therefore, I will not be too lazy to ask again: what is the point of the undertaking?
      3. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 06: 14
        +1
        don't like the layout theme? Well then, if only so that foreign Kazakhs and Kazakhs of Kazakhstan could write in one alphabet.
        in order to reduce the cost of SMS.
        in order not to bathe with the addition of Kazakh fonts to phones, tablets and other electronic devices.
        so that, while abroad, Kazakhs do not waste time installing drivers.
        so that tens of millions of Turks, unfamiliar with the Cyrillic alphabet, could understand Kazakh texts, and if many sounds are displayed in accordance with some phonetic nuances of the Turkic languages, then a certain unification can even be achieved. For example, "road" in Kazakh is "zhol", and in most other Turkic languages ​​- "yol" (Tatar, Uzbek, Turkish, Turkmen), if we write "jol" (if "j" is equal to the phoneme "z"), then this word will be read in the same way in Ankara, Astana and Tashkent. To make it clear to you, remember that the phrase "social modernization" will be easily understandable not only to English speakers, but also to German, French or Mexican. But "social modernization" is absolutely unreadable for the people mentioned. The Turks will finally begin to boil in a single information field. We have different languages, but we can understand the meaning in our written language. In the meantime, the Turks, the largest Turkic-speaking ethnic group, absolutely cannot understand the Kazakh language without having learned the Cyrillic alphabet. And with the Latin alphabet, this barrier will be removed.
        In addition, the number of Kazakh sounds can be reduced. For example "and", "s", "i" can be replaced with one letter "i". These phonemes are very similar and can be distinguished simply by adding an apostrophe. Etc.
        At the same time, the issue of matching the spelling rules of some words will be resolved along the way. For example, the word "bauyr" - "liver": it has long been said about removing the extra letter "y", which is still not actually pronounced. And there are many such nuances. It is necessary to write and explain this for XNUMX hours.
        And even to the extent that the number of letters is reduced to the number of corresponding Latin letters. There are also such options. Now philologists are working, looking for the best schemes. In a word, you need to change. And the rest is all - the nuances and headache of linguists. I think there will be plenty to choose from.
        Cat, let's not go into the nuances of the Ukrainian or Russian languages, and you just put up with the fact that the Kazakhs are concerned about their language. I think that would be wiser.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 24 December 2012 01: 00
    +1
    Quote: viach
    some letters (but rather sounds) were suggested to be depicted in 2-3 letters of the Latin alphabet

    And the letters of the Cyrillic alphabet for this well simply categorically do not fit, right? laughing
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 01: 54
      +2
      Misanthrope, Kazakhs have repeatedly explained here why they decided to return to the Latin alphabet. You didn’t understand or just do not want to understand? After all, have you ever encountered the Kazakh language? Do not even speak Kazakh? Are you bilingual (trilingual)? If you are not bilingual, why should you advise bilinguals? You really need only one Russian alphabet, I do not even doubt it. But why impose their worldview on people living in other realities? Are you offended that the Cyrillic lost her position everywhere except Mongolia? It's your problems. Although I think that in the near future the Mongols will also switch to the Latin script. Save sarcasm and bile. More Tatars may be in line.
      All the best.
  • viach
    viach 23 December 2012 22: 06
    0
    Unconvincing.
  • Arsen
    Arsen 23 December 2012 23: 35
    0
    Yes of course. Only here are the magazines, the visibility of the teacher themselves buy. They are also involved in design. And the vaunted computerization of schools and the rampant Internet, so go to any school there so virusized (I mean computers) that it’s not even possible to enter the system. Computers are supplied for cutting, but no software. Yes, there is much more that can be said laudatory, but all is useless ....
  • romb
    romb 23 December 2012 19: 12
    +1
    And how long has Kazakhstan managed to transfer 100% of the population exclusively to electronic media?

    Did you mean - workflow and paperwork?

    Kazakhstan was the first in the CIS to start implementing the "electronic government" program. We are among the world leaders in certain categories of this program. To date, Kazakhstan continues to actively "digitize" workflows affecting various areas of activity. Therefore, the issue of increasing computer literacy among the population is one of the priority tasks for the state.
    Regarding the layout.
    Dear Ascetic, I have already laid out a picture below, according to which, if you look closely, you can evaluate the general level of "usability" of the language layout on existing keyboards.
  • dastan13
    dastan13 24 December 2012 09: 30
    +2
    Please read.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1
    %8F_%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C#.D0
    .A0.D1.83.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.87.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.B5_.D0.BF.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.
    8C.D0.BC.D0.BE
  • AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 24 December 2012 10: 09
    +1
    Yes, I agree now, friendly, but if you remember the very close past, the end of the 90s, I was in Kazakhstan at that time and, sorry, I remember your "friendly" hugs for our work for you, how much hatred you had towards us in your friendship. Although whoever remembers the old is out, and who will forget both.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 11: 10
      +2
      And what happened to you in the 90s in the Republic of Kazakhstan?
    2. Beck
      Beck 24 December 2012 13: 42
      +2
      Quote: AndreyAB
      Yes, I agree now friendly, but if so remember very close past, end 90,


      Then in 90 there was a collapse and tear in the whole space of the former USSR. Manifested domestic nationalism. And in Russia, chunks shouted, go to Kazan and Ufa, and black-eyed ... drunk to the Caucasus. But how household arose and quickly ended.

      But with your similar comments you continue to throw logs into an extinct fire and now. Well, who would not be spreading on this topic is you. It is only in Russia, throughout the CIS, that a skinhead movement has arisen. In the form of skinhead youths who have forgotten their grandfathers who fought against fascism, who do not give a damn about their memory, put on their sleeves the symbiosis of a swastika and the Orthodox cross. And in rapture they gave each other a welcome with a fascist gesture. And which, closer neighbor, in the middle of 2000 they beat and killed on the streets of non-Russians. And not only adults, but also children.

      Before you blink, you need to think about whether the aforementioned will respond many times with a reinforced echo.
  • Felix200970
    Felix200970 22 December 2012 15: 24
    +3
    I don’t understand why such a howl rose. You might think you understand the Kazakh written written in Cyrillic? First, try to find a keyboard with the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, and then raise a cry about
    Quote: askort154
    Sucking at Russia, while shouting about Russia's imperial ambitions, is not an economy, but a vile, corrupt policy. Therefore, these countries are remembered in international politics only because they border Russia, one of the main countries on the planet, for hundreds years old!
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 22 December 2012 16: 03
      +18
      Quote: Felix200970
      I don’t understand why such a howl rose. You might think you understand the Kazakh written written in Cyrillic? First, try to find a keyboard with the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet, and then raise a cry about


      Nothing is simpler. You can find not only Kazakh. Here here for example
      If desired, you can install the appropriate program here

      The Kazakh keyboard layout was created on the basis of the Russian typewritten layout and fixed by the PCT standard of the Kazakh SSR 903-90
      Specific Kazakh letters are located in place of the main digital range. The numeric keypad is used to enter numbers and symbols /, *, -, +. As a result, in the standard layout there was no place for a number of common non-letter characters, as well as for the letter E.
      There are also alternative layouts compiled according to the “Dvorak method”, for example, Qazat.

      Well, to shout about sucking in Russia and pouring water on the mill to those who really "suck" both from Russia and from Kazakhstan. We know them very well and we talk about this repeatedly.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 22 December 2012 16: 23
        +5
        Thanks for the post. However, I note that it is very inconvenient to use the existing Kazakh layout. I speak like a trilingual Kazakh. Two layouts - just right. In addition, many computer users do not know how to put layouts (especially on other people's computers - in Internet cafes, for example). My mother can only go on Skype, write a message through the communicator, but adding a Kazakh layout is already difficult for her. At her age, it’s easier for her not to bother, but to write a message in Latin, which she knows from school.
        Children constantly write SMS, Cyrillic is unpopular there, because in Latin, you can send a larger text.
        Kazakhs historically living outside of Kazakhstan (every fourth Kazakh lives outside the KZ) face the problem of misunderstanding the Cyrillic script. Therefore, news agencies have been publishing Kazakh-language news for many years, not only in Cyrillic, but also in Latin and Arabic, so that every Kazakh, wherever he lives, can read news from his homeland (example - http://www.inform.kz/indexqaz .html)
        Due to problems with the Kazakh layout (and Kazakhs usually easily jump from one language to another), many Kazakhs are forced to write without special letters, something like "Maskeu - Reseidin Elordasy" instead of the correct "Moskeu - Reseidin Elordasy" ("Moscow is the capital Russia ").
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 26 December 2012 11: 19
          0
          Okay, good to stoop. But what about the Chinese?
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 27 December 2012 16: 42
            +2
            The Chinese will forever suffer the inconvenience of the keyboard, but write in hieroglyphs. If they switch to the Latin alphabet, then instantly China will fall apart. The Khantsev is held together not by the Communist Party and not by a common history, but by the hieroglyphic alphabet, which is read equally by all the Han Chinese, although they pronounce these hieroglyphs in different ways. Residents of different regions with their versions of the Chinese language do not understand each other absolutely, because There is no single Chinese language. But everyone easily reads what is written.
            So the Chinese have a choice - either to switch to the Latin alphabet and lose the linguistic connection between the Chinese, or to leave the hieroglyphs and suffer with them, but "Renming Ribao" will be equally understandable to all Han people. The Chinese, essno, prefer the second option.
      2. Shuhrat turani
        Shuhrat turani 23 December 2012 14: 47
        0
        no special layouts needed. You can use the regular QWERTY layout. Just special special sounds will be transmitted by letter combinations or by the "'". This is more convenient especially if a significant part of the population is abroad.

        and why the transition to another schedule causes aggression from the side of the Cyrillic fans. Kazakhs can do whatever they want with their tongue; it is their right, if it is better for them to let them change it.

        I remember the same reaction to the translation of the Tatar language into the Latin alphabet. The Tatar language does not affect the foundations of Russian statehood, and therefore the Tatar language can be translated into Latin. this is the right of the Tatars as a people. Especially against the background of the Tatar Latin alphabet, the Russian Cyrillic alphabet emphasized the exclusivity and greatness of the Russian people, its difference from non-Slavic peoples.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 22 December 2012 16: 04
    +6
    1) Regarding the alleged "second entry" - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan has already stated that the Russian media have distorted the meaning of the proposals of the head of Kazkosmos. But this statement was not made public in Russia. "Fried headlines" are more interesting for your media.
    2) And since when has the Kazakh alphabet become a "blackmail tool"? There are many problems in Kazakhstan due to the Kazakh Cyrillic script, the question of RETURN to the Latin alphabet was raised back in the 90s. This may turn out to be a discovery for a young journalist from Moscow time, and a political scientist with experience would remember that it has long been said in Kazakhstan that the Latin alphabet will be returned again for convenience in modern conditions. For example, being abroad, I have to write in Latin "Salem, bauyrym! Kalaisyn?" In general, the country has announced a transition in the educational sphere to trilingualism (kaz, rus, eng). Whole specialized subjects will now be taught in English. Kazakhs have little knowledge of two languages.
    And most importantly - how did this Kazakh Latin infringe on the Russian-speaking population of the country or the rights of citizens of the Russian Federation? Anyone who understands the Kazakh language even today can easily read the Kazakh text in Latin. And whoever doesn’t understand Kazakh also in Cyrillic, what difference does it make to him what kind of letters do Kazakhs write there? I’m afraid to recall that the Russians didn’t invent the Cyrillic alphabet at all, but the Bulgarians, if someone suddenly considered the change of the alphabet to be a personal insult. In the 20th century, Kazakhs changed the alphabet three times. And nothing. Not stupefied, not turned into rams. They did not become Americans, Arabs or Russians.
    Tak chto davaite ne budem sozdavat 'problemu, gde ee na samom dele net. And it is extremely strange to add your problems with other countries to the Kazakh alphabet. Imagine if Kazakhs wrote something like:
    "In Russia, according to the new rules of grammar, the word" coffee "can be used in a neuter gender! This is a blatant provocation and a treacherous infringement on the rights of citizens of Kazakhstan and Turkic-speaking residents of Russia! Russians have no right to change the rules of their language without our consent. Due to changes in the rules of Russian I can't help but remind you, friends, that China still does not resolve the issue of transboundary rivers, and Kyrgyzstan is trying to take away Kazakh business objects in Issyk-Kul! "
    Brad, isn't it?
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 22 December 2012 16: 21
      +7
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      1) Regarding the alleged "second entry" - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan has already stated that the Russian media have distorted the meaning of the proposals of the head of Kazkosmos. But this statement was not made public in Russia. "Fried headlines" are more interesting for your media.


      I’ll clarify the situation a bit, because of which the spears break so badly.

      In 2004, Russia and Kazakhstan launched the Baiterek large-scale space project, but the parties failed to agree on the main thing - which launch vehicle to use Kazakhstan stands for a cheaper Zenith of Ukrainian production, Russia stands for a more powerful domestic Angara. If this issue is resolved, the case on the jurisdiction of Baikonur, which is allegedly awakened by the respected cosmonaut Hero of the Russian Federation, among other things, Talgat Amangeldievich Musabaev, will stall. Recently, a joint subcommittee of the Intergovernmental Commission on Cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan on the Baikonur complex began its work
      That's actually the problem.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 22 December 2012 18: 18
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        A joint sub-commission of the Intergovernmental Commission has recently begun work

        "Kazakhstan plans to withdraw the city and the Baikonur complex from the Russian lease," said the head of the National Space Agency Talgat Musabayev during the "government hour" in the majilis of the parliament.

        The authorities of the republic are preparing a draft "comprehensive agreement" with Russia on Baikonur, which provides for "a departure from rental relations." The intergovernmental commission will take up the issue, which will be headed by Deputy Prime Minister Kairat Kelimbetov on the Kazakhstan side and First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov on the Russian side.
        "We We don’t say that we immediately stop renting. This cannot be done in one fell swoop, it will be a disaster, but in part, in stages - it is possible ”Musabaev noted. The first step will be the removal of the Zenit rocket launch complex from under the lease. Also, according to Musabaev, the issue of transferring the city of Baikonur, which is located on the territory of the complex, is under consideration to Kazakhstan’s jurisdiction. Http://www.stoletie.ru/lenta/kazahstan_zabirajet_bajkonur_294.htm
        "The first stage is for Zenit. This is actually the right flank of the Baikonur cosmodrome, it is a cosmodrome in itself, a separate one, in other countries there is not even such a thing. Now, if we withdraw this right wing from lease and enter it already as full participants , this is a huge step forward for the Republic of Kazakhstan, "Musabayev is quoted by Newskaz.ru http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/39679-
        According to Musabayev, the issue of moving away from lease relations in the city of Baikonur, which can be taken under the jurisdiction of Kazakhstan, is also being considered. "And the leadership of this city, possibly, will be transferred under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Kazakhstan. This is now at the stage of development. This issue has never been raised before," the head of Kazkosmos added.

        Meanwhile, according to sources in the Russian space industry, specialists working at the cosmodrome are very negative about the upcoming changes. They fear that if the city is transferred to Kazakhstan, the Russian administrative and power structures are disbanded and the corresponding Kazakhstani bodies are created, a mass departure of Russian citizens from the city will begin. This will exacerbate the existing and now problem of a shortage of qualified personnel to the limit. Let us recall that the city of Baikonur and the cosmodrome of the same name form the Baikonur complex, which Russia rented from Kazakhstan until 2050. For the period of lease of the Baikonur complex, the city is endowed with a status corresponding to a city of federal significance of the Russian Federation, with a special regime for the safe operation of facilities, enterprises and organizations, as well as for citizens' residence. http://www.mk.ru/politics/article/2012/12/10/785150-kazahstan-zabiraet-baykonur-
        u-rossii.html
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 22 December 2012 20: 47
          +1
          The leaders of Kazakhstan and Russia, Nursultan Nazarbayev and Vladimir Putin, are determined to preserve and develop the Baikonur cosmodrome as a symbol of successful cooperation between the two countries, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the republic Yerlan Idrisov told Interfax-Kazakhstan.

          "On December 19, during a visit to Moscow to participate in meetings of the CSTO, EurAsEC and the EEC at the highest level, a bilateral meeting of the presidents of Kazakhstan and Russia will be held, which will discuss, among other things, partnership in space projects. I can assure you in this regard that the leaders of our countries have a full understanding of the importance of preserving Baikonur as a symbol of our successful bilateral cooperation, "Idrisov said.

          Commenting on the recent statement of the head of Kazkosmos Talgat Musabayev that Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation are considering the possibility of withdrawing some of the facilities of the Baikonur complex from Russian lease, Foreign Minister noted that Musabayev's words "were distorted by many media"... "All comments to these messages boiled down to the fact that Kazakhstan is allegedly curtailing space cooperation with Russia. This is an absolute wrong message," he stressed.

          According to the minister, the head of Kazkosmos "meant that Kazakhstan expects to expand its participation in the space activities of the Baikonur cosmodrome, and to develop its own space potential in a qualitative manner." "But not to the detriment of relations with Russia, but together with it!" - he said in this connection. “It would be naive and unreasonable on our part to miss the opportunity of close cooperation with such a powerful space power as Russia, moreover, at our own cosmodrome. Therefore, we want to make full use of the existing potential to meet the needs of our economy. We expect to make our cooperation more effective and productive for both sides, "Idrisov said.
          ===================

          And here is a very good interview on this subject - http://camonitor.com/archives/6111 Everything becomes clear even to those who did not follow the Baikonur nuances.
          1. smirnov
            smirnov 23 December 2012 16: 47
            +5
            "At our own cosmodrome" - yes, I remember how you strained yourself when you were building it ...
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 17: 20
              -2
              Again, twenty-five ... But is it nothing that after the war, Kazakhs and other peoples rebuilt Ukraine, Belarus and Russia?

              "... To restore agriculture in the liberated regions of the RSFSR, the North Caucasus, Ukraine, thousands of machine operators, agronomists, livestock specialists came from the eastern regions. In 1943-1944, 2839 tractor drivers, 95 mechanics, 597 foremen were sent from Kazakhstan to the liberated regions, 115 agronomists, 69 heads of MTS ... "

              "On August 21, 1943. The Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR adopted a resolution" On urgent measures to restore the economy in areas liberated from German occupation ", according to which the collective farms located in the liberated areas received 1,7 million head of livestock and 516,8 thousand heads of poultry. For the restoration of animal husbandry in them, the Kazakh SSR allocated 550 thousand heads of livestock "

              "To assist the collective farms of the liberated regions, rural workers of the eastern regions of the country sowed additional areas. The initiators of this initiative, the workers of the collective farm named after N.K. Krupskaya in the Vyselkovsky District of the Krasnodar Territory, wrote in an appeal to all collective farmers of the country: The collective farms in these areas were destroyed, the homes of the collective farmers were burned, their property was plundered by Hitler's marauders. They cannot do it without our help. ”In response to this appeal, the collective farmers of the Kazakh SSR sowed 1942 thousand hectares in 53 ..."

              "In 1945 alone, 500 tractors and other agricultural machines, 140 steam locomotives were sent to Ukraine from Kazakhstan."

              "... The Kazakh SSR took patronage over many regions of the RSFSR, including over 10 cities and 35 districts of the Oryol region, 12 - the Leningrad region, and others. In addition, the republic rendered Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova ...".

              Etc.

              Tens of thousands of Kazakhstanis rebuilt your Ukraine. And not a single Kazakh, I think, has ever rebuked you about this. My grandfather Temir Syrlybaev for two years 1946-1948 rebuilt Moscow, received a bunch of letters for this.

              So let's not start, who built what and who helped. We’ll worry about counting.
            2. gold
              gold 24 December 2012 13: 47
              +2
              I'm sorry, have you ever been to Kazakhstan?
  • Jipo
    Jipo 22 December 2012 17: 58
    +13
    I am Russian and the tone of your post is unpleasant to me. Want to know where and when Kazakhstan "sucks" its neighbors? In Kazakhstan, no one shouts about the ambitions of Russia, especially since Nazarbayev himself proposed Eurasian integration in the early 90s personally and only under Putin did Russia start doing something, for which he (Putin) is very grateful. In Kazakhstan, there are great patriots not only of the Kazakh nation, but also of the Russian, how and why they appeared here, I think you found it difficult to read and even more so to remember. In Kazakhstan, there is great concern about the rapid unification of the three CIS countries among the representatives of the indigenous people, which is quite understandable and understandable, and the transition to the Latin alphabet, which was in use until the end of the 30s, is a simple guarantee of the anti-colonial preference of Kazakhstan in the near future. There are excellent relations between our countries and the Russian language in Kazakhstan is in a much better position than in the same Ukraine and it does not matter to me which alphabet will be the main one, when the representatives of Kazakhs are 80% fluent in Russian, and more literate than in Russia, if the Latin alphabet will help the people Kazakhstan, to speak not two, but three languages ​​- God (Allah) will help them.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 19: 54
      0
      Quote: JIPO
      There are excellent relations between our countries and the Russian language in the Republic of Kazakhstan is in a much better position than in Ukraine

      What is wrong with us again? Or is it you, by the way?
      1. Jipo
        Jipo 23 December 2012 07: 38
        +4
        Why, by the way, in parliament, if anyone speaks Russian, they will not call him "mentally retarded", and the president and the ruling elite do not hesitate to speak publicly in Russian. I'm talking about this phenomenon.
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 22 December 2012 17: 39
    +2
    For authors of the article and for their overall development
    Latin alphabet

    Yanalif (from Tat. Yaңa фlifba / jaꞑa əlifva, Bashk. Yaңy əlifbə, abbreviated Yaңalif / jaꞑalif, lit. “new alphabet”), in the official Soviet press - New Turkic alphabet (NTA) - a project for translating all Turkic languages ​​into a uniform alphabet based on the Latin alphabet, proposed in the late 1920s as part of the all-Union project of Latinization. It was officially introduced in 1928 in the Turkic-speaking republics and autonomous republics of the USSR instead of Arabic alphabets. In 1938-1940, it was replaced at forced rates by alphabets based on the Cyrillic alphabet. Not currently used.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 04: 01
      +5
      As it is indicative - five minuses and not a single comment from minus signers. Even the mention of what Kazakhs once (!) Wrote in Latin, they are already insulting and offending :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))
      The meaning of all their posts is simple: "Without our permission, Kazakhs have no right to change anything in their language!"
      This is so obvious and looks so repulsive ... Moreover, we are also accused of politicizing this issue ... And it is typical that Ukrainians are terribly worried about whether we will become poorer? Maybe they also want the Latin alphabet, but given the poverty of their state, are they just jealous? Maybe they should be given money for a new alphabet? Otherwise, they were already shaken by "economic" worries about the Kazakhs. Although I suspect that these are "Ukrainians" who do not even know the Ukrainian language. And they don't want to know him. But how worried they are about the fate of the Kazakh language, steam is coming from their ears ... I would never have thought that so many Slavic neighbors could not sleep well, everyone was tossing and turning in bed until morning: "How is the Kazakh language? Is he healthy? "Oh, I'm afraid the Kazakhs will ruin him! Oh, Alla! Kazaktarga karashy! Zhana alippe olarga bermeshy, kudayim!"
      It is a pity that Abay did not live to see such a bright day for the Kazakhs, when our neighbors worry more for the Kazakh language than the Kazakhs themselves ...
      1. Cat
        Cat 24 December 2012 04: 56
        0
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        As it is indicative - five minuses and not a single comment from minus signers. Even the mention of what Kazakhs once (!) Wrote in Latin, they are already insulting and offending:

        He took and put you a plus sign for this post here. Schaub Bulo. Enjoy the moment - I usually don’t put comments on ratings, but only articles =)))
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 05: 04
          +3
          Dyuzhe dyakoy)))))
      2. dastan13
        dastan13 24 December 2012 10: 20
        +1
        AY DA YOUNG, AY DA BEAUTIFUL TROLLISH)))))
  • ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 24 December 2012 10: 29
    0
    Not for 3 trillion, but 7,2 million to buy, for the price for which they sold Alaska ... and you need to return it, sooner or later!
  • piter-tank
    piter-tank 22 December 2012 09: 56
    +18
    It seems to me that Nursultan Abishevich begins to fall into senile senility, multiplied by the manners of the prince of an average hand with exorbitant ambitions.
    As for Alaska, a moot point. Do we need her? To again some Alekper, Prokhorov, Deripaska, etc. began to fatten on the local resources? First you need to properly develop their own northern territories.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 December 2012 10: 49
      +14
      He apparently thought of non-fiction in English. To read it, you need to know English. So after all, there is no such terminology in Kazakh anyway. So that I wouldn’t take it - at least English, even Russian, science is not developing in Kazakhstan. And the transition to the Latin alphabet will not help here! By the way, in Ukraine they come up with their own terms, but such that you grab your head! What cache do they get such words from? am
      1. Beck
        Beck 23 December 2012 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        By the way, in Ukraine they come up with their own terms, but such that you grab your head! What cache do they get such words from?


        This is probably a common disease. Since under the USSR, the development of the languages ​​of the republics and their natural, gradual adaptation to the modern world has stopped. Therefore, absurdities now appear. In Kazakhstan, like you. And of course add the patriots. Even international words accepted as such in many languages ​​of the world, our cheers patriots try to remake in the Kazakh way. Just a laugh.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 17: 32
        +1
        These Kazakhs and Ukrainians are funny and funny ... Not that the Russians have all their words and no new borrowings and inventions over the past 20 years!
        So you wanted to express yourself?
        For example, "venture" is a completely natural Russian word, and "venture" is an indicator of the backwardness of the Kazakh language? "Synchronous mechanisms" do not in any way demean the Russian language, and "synchronic mechanisms" - and nothing more? So what did you want to say about terminology there?
        1. Beck
          Beck 23 December 2012 18: 09
          +5
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          So what did you want to say about terminology there?


          You misunderstood. Changing the endings of foreign words to naturally introduce them into the construction of Kazakh speech is natural. I meant something else.

          Hobby. It is a hobby of many nations and everywhere means the same thing. And why should he give Kazakh - Ermek. Yermek is the name. And literally Fun. A hobby is a hobby, and in many languages ​​it means hobby, not fun.

          Hippo, hippo. In all languages ​​of the world, this hippo does not require a hippo translation. And we have a translation hanging in the zoo - sushyr - Water cow, water cow ?! Well, here's a hippo cow. And what a hippo from a cow. And if, by scientific standards, a cow is a cloven-hoofed ruminant in the bovine family, hippos are non-ruminant, pig-like.

          (One could accept this if the hippopotamus was found in the steppes of Kazakhstan and susyr would be the local name for the hippo. For example, saigas - kiik, aқbөken).

          These are the incidents I had in mind.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 18: 37
            +3
            Beck, my message was addressed to Egoze :)
            As for "susiyr", "kolshatyr" and "kuisandyk", I myself find it funny. It's unusual. Although if you plunge into the Kazakh lexicon of the first half of the 20th century, there are also a lot of new things introduced in the language. Departure, uchaske, communis. Who will name the newspaper with the names "Dala Uyalaty" or "Sotsialdy Kazagystan" now? If we take examples from foreign languages, then first of all I will remember the German language. Here they wet the bark! Okay "airport" - "flughafn", but how intricate and brutal the terms sound! Di Sonnenstralenenergiausnutzung ... und Gevinnung! (Extraction and use of energy from the sun's rays) They love to cram a bunch of roots into one word. In the last decade, the French have been stubbornly fighting English. Replace English terms with their own words. I am already silent about Icelandic, in which there are still no borrowings at all. They come up with them based on the reserves of their language. And you can also remember the main inventors of words in your language in the 20th century - the Israelis. Yes, and the Russians stuffed the language in the last century with "airplanes" and "pilots" instead of the "airplanes" and "pilots" that were originally used.
            It is a completely natural process. We got used to the words "kaharman", "elorda", "elbasy", "tonazytkysh", "beinemotoremotophone", "sabynsu" tb.
            And I got used to "susir" too. In the Russian language there is a "ladybug", so after all, too, is not at all a relative of the cow :)
            1. Beck
              Beck 23 December 2012 20: 00
              +1
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Beck, my message was addressed to Egoze :)


              Well, sorted out and good. One more thing, can you explain? I can’t find the roots in any way.

              Elephant - Pil. Elephants in Kazakhstan have never been found, whence a proper name, not sushyr. For me, it is vague if only as an inheritance from Iranian languages, because native speakers of Indo-Iranian languages ​​settled in India. Or how?

              And as in the Middle Ages, parents explained to children who they are and what Pil looks like. And who, and how did they explain to the parents themselves?
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 22: 19
                +2
                In Turkestan, elephants were familiar. Relations with India were sufficient. You may recall that when Genghis Khan took Samarkand, there were 20 fighting elephants in the garrison. Elephant drivers asked Genghis Khan for food for their animals, but Genghis Khan said that these animals should be released into the steppe, let them find their own food there. So the elephants were released, and soon died of starvation, of course.
                Tamerlan, unlike Redbeard, whenever possible used elephants in hostilities.
                In a word, the Turks were familiar with the elephants. Another thing surprises me. Where does the word "zil" - mammoth come from in the Kazakh language ?! Here I am at a dead end. Where could it have been borrowed ??? Or (it sounds fantastic at all) this concept has been preserved since ancient times, when mammoths still lived in Siberia. After all, the Komi and other northerners have preserved legends about the mammoth. Maybe the Turkic-speaking inhabitants of Siberia also have memories of these animals? In Siberia, they became extinct relatively recently - 3-4 thousand years ago. In any case, the question with the word "evil" is very interesting. It is unlikely that this word was borrowed from Iranian or Chinese neighbors. Either from any Evenki / Chukchi / Komi or this is one of the most ancient Turkic words.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 24 December 2012 09: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  In any case, the question with the word "evil" is very interesting.


                  With pil sorted out. But then again they climbed into Zil. But, I think this is not for the site. No experts can not figure it out. Let them understand, then they will tell us.
    2. volcano
      volcano 22 December 2012 12: 05
      +10
      Quote: piter-tank
      As for Alaska, a moot point. Do we need her? To again some Alekper, Prokhorov, Deripaska, etc. began to fatten on the local resources?


      Oh Colleague ... Even as needed. A couple of powerful military bases in Alaska. The divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces and Iskander ... and pi ... c hedgehogs (to the States) will be quiet and silk.
      1. ZKBM-BUT
        ZKBM-BUT 22 December 2012 12: 49
        +4
        I agree, we need it without reservation. I don’t know how anyone. but I didn’t even regret my personal money to buy Alaska. Of course, I don’t have the required amount, but if each is a bit, then everything is possible.
        1. rolik
          rolik 23 December 2012 11: 50
          0
          As an option, thanks to ZKBM-BUT for the idea to throw a cry throughout Mother Russia. Chuck all the money as much as you can and buy Alaska.
        2. viach
          viach 23 December 2012 22: 28
          +2
          Soon, Siberia and d.Vostok will be depopulated, and give you Alaska. Where do you live?
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 22 December 2012 15: 13
        +3
        Quote: volkan
        Oh Colleague ... Even as needed.

        Only nobody is going to sell it, but it's a pity.
    3. Guran96
      Guran96 22 December 2012 14: 36
      +11
      Raise their endangered villages and villages in the same Central Russia, not to mention Siberia and the Far East. Who will we populate Alaska, Tajiks and Uzbeks?
      "Attractive naked girls FEMEN" - everyone sees attractiveness in their own way, girls with the figures of boys - teenagers are not for everybody, well, I think if they held this action in Egypt, hot Arab men would appreciate it.
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 22 December 2012 15: 15
        +3
        Quote: Gouran96
        Who will we populate Alaska, Tajiks and Uzbeks?

        Why Tajiks and Uzbeks, as the respected VOLCAN wrote
        Quote: volkan
        A couple of powerful military bases in Alaska. Divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces and Iskander.
      2. mamba
        mamba 23 December 2012 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: Gouran96
        girls with figures of boys - teenagers is an amateur

        The gynecologist would say that their figures are normal for those who did not give birth and correspond to the picnic type for the middle and right, as well as the infantile type for the left. That's just the middle, the right thigh in diameter is half that of the left. Maybe the wind from this side? laughing
    4. vezunchik
      vezunchik 22 December 2012 18: 50
      +2
      And California was once ours.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 22 December 2012 10: 01
    +7
    and that Alaska and California could be bought
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 December 2012 10: 51
      +9
      But was Alaska sold? Or leased for 100 years? Please clarify. Can amnesia in amers? It’s time to just return the property. drinks
      1. volcano
        volcano 22 December 2012 13: 28
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        was Alaska sold? Or leased for 100 years? Please clarify. Can amnesia in amers? It’s time to just return the property.


        Colleague SOLD ..... SOLD .... AND ONCE AGAIN SOLD ..... NO RENT

        And to explain why .... I will tell you this ...
        The Americans announced that their country should end where the mainland ends ... In Russia, the Emperor gathered advice and asked if we could keep our American lands if we had to enter the war with the USA, after much deliberation we came to the conclusion that we CANNOT due to the remoteness, the complexity of the delivery of troops and supplies. That is, we are already in a knowingly losing position. As a result, it was decided to sell the United States.
        That's the whole business.
        And honestly not the most stupid move. Around Russia there were constant wars. Turks raged, the Caucasus, England was plotting. It would also be very harsh to get a war overseas.
        So, I would not blame the King indiscriminately. It is very possible that we did it right then.
        1. Ragnarek
          Ragnarek 22 December 2012 13: 40
          +4
          at that time they sold it right. Now, they would declare everything as a reserve and set up border guards (with Iskander, etc.)
        2. Simple
          Simple 22 December 2012 17: 01
          0
          Who and how sold Alaska:
          http://www.opoccuu.com/alyaska.htm
          1. Simple
            Simple 23 December 2012 00: 28
            -3
            To the one who is minus: essentially has something to say?
        3. arduan
          arduan 22 December 2012 17: 23
          +6
          Quote: volkan
          due to the remoteness, the complexity of the delivery of troops and supplies

          The letter took about three years from Mokva to Alaska, and this is a "courier" delivery, so to speak.
          Quote: volkan
          So, I would not blame the King indiscriminately. It is very possible that we did it right then.

          Napoleon New Orleans and the surrounding land (Louisiana) sold them, too, by the way cheaply. He was not interested in the New World; he sought to India. And so perhaps the states would speak French now.
        4. mamba
          mamba 23 December 2012 15: 41
          +1
          Quote: volkan
          The Americans announced that their country should end where the mainland ends.

          I have not heard about this version. And the fact that Great Britain through Canada carried out actual expansion on the territory of Russian Alaska, incited the Indian tribes, against Russian settlers, is a fact. And although by that time the Russians had already discovered gold deposits in Alaska, they could no longer hold it. Further - according to your text.
          Another example of Russia's loss of its territories during the expansion of its neighbors is the right bank of the Amur. There, the Chinese did not squeeze us out so much as they cut us out, despite heroic resistance.
          1. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 24 December 2012 10: 16
            0
            It's you in vain about the right bank of the Amur. Russian troops stood on the right bank of the Amur, after the Manchus unleashed the massacre on the left bank of the Amur, where the Cossacks entered into battle with them, but the forces were not equal. Then the emperor sent the Cossacks to help the army located (in my opinion in Irkutsk). Together with the Cossacks, the army successfully defeated the Manchu, sharing the property of the expelled Chinese crossed to the right bank of the Amur and held the province of Hei-lujiang for two years. Only after a written appeal from the Chinese emperor to the Russian emperor was the province returned to China. 1900-1902
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 11: 15
              +2
              You are confusing something. China at that time was ruled by the Manchu dynasty. The Chinese army (and even that region), by definition, could not fight the "Manchus". It's like saying, "In 1973 the Russians attacked the Soviet Union, but the Soviet army defeated the Russians."
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 11: 42
              +1
              Stop, sorry. Not so first understood your post. Sorry again.
            3. mamba
              mamba 24 December 2012 13: 10
              0
              Quote: sasha.28blaga
              It's you in vain about the right bank of the Amur.

              I had in mind the battles for the Albazin prison during the Manchu aggression of 1670-1689: http://ostrog.ucoz.ru/publ/1-1-0-6. He was abandoned by the Cossacks in 1689 after the capture of Irkutsk by the Khunkhuzes, when the Russians were forced to leave the Amur region. In the same year, negotiations began near Nerchinsk on the conclusion of peace and the establishment of a border. They marched in extremely difficult circumstances: under the walls of Nerchinsk stood the 12th Manchu army. Shortly before this, China was conquered by the Manchus, who founded in 1644. Qing Dynasty. Chinese ambassadors claimed the entire territory of the Amur Region and Transbaikalia. After long disputes, on August 29, the first treaty between Russia and China, Nerchinsky, was signed, according to which the entire right bank of the Amur was then declared the territory of China.
    2. SmacXnumx
      SmacXnumx 22 December 2012 11: 06
      +2
      And in addition to Florida and Texas hi
    3. alexng
      alexng 22 December 2012 11: 18
      +12
      Actually, according to the Vedic calendar, from February the year of the victory of good over 200 summer evil begins. Let's see how this corresponds to such a pattern.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: alexneg
        Actually, according to the Vedic calendar, from February the year of the victory of good over 200 summer evil begins. Let's see how this corresponds to such a pattern.

        Right Therefore, it is important for everyone to continue their improvement. Soul, Spirit, Body. Skills and healthy lifestyle, behavior and morality, parenting and our lifestyle. Therefore, our IMPORTANT task is: TO DO, NOT TO OBSERVE! And when we become 10% of the mass, everything will begin to change like an avalanche, in the direction we need.
        "You must be the way you want to see the world" (Mahatma Gandhi)
      2. Vodrak
        Vodrak 22 December 2012 17: 18
        +1
        At last.
        The truth is reminiscent of the beginning of the movie "Night Watch". Sorry, somehow it immediately inspired ...
  • Magadan
    Magadan 22 December 2012 10: 25
    +16
    And I'm all amazed by these femen. Well, is the image of half-witty shrill lesbians really so attractive? People from those confessions that they want to hook so well know the prices of their faith very well and know about those real women who, even despite torture and death, did not renounce their faith. And these females are dull, I wonder, ready to die for their "beliefs" to go? I don't think so. Nowadays such females cannot even give birth to children, not that they make some real sacrifices there.
    But I think that the concept of "answering for the market" is simply not familiar to individuals of this kind.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 10: 51
      +9
      Quote: Magadan
      And here I am all amazed at these femen.

      I think it's time to apply power. Participants do not travel abroad. A particularly mad plant. Godkov 5 to think about his role in this life, and they will test themselves for craving for the female sex.
      They could have used it not officially: breaking a couple’s legs - the rest of the boobs will hide.
      1. vladek64
        vladek64 22 December 2012 11: 19
        +13
        Very good in such cases helps banal flogging.
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 23 December 2012 09: 09
        -5
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        They could have used it not officially: breaking a couple’s legs - the rest of the boobs will hide.

        Well, damn it, and you give, maybe even make your eyes pop? But is it worth paying attention to these fools at all, because that is what they need. Go wild with time.
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 23 December 2012 11: 05
          +6
          Quote: Konrad
          Well, damn it, and you give, maybe even make your eyes pop? But is it worth paying attention to these fools at all, because that is what they need. Go wild with time.

          The fact is that they are not running shabby in their room. And they try to light up more on the TV. And this is an element of education !. now millions of girls 7-16 years old are looking at them. The image of a revolutionary with undeveloped sexuality can produce bizarre forms. Imitation, heroization, feminism, the destruction of the institution of the family.
          I’d break a couple of journalists. For advertising them. That's where the oldest profession is.
          1. Konrad
            Konrad 23 December 2012 20: 55
            0
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            I’d break a couple of journalists. For advertising them. That's where the oldest profession is.

            Well, it's high time!
        2. dusha233
          dusha233 23 December 2012 18: 52
          +1
          Novodvorskaya is very crazy?
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 22 December 2012 10: 54
      +7
      And why should the "girls" be so surprised? Prostitutes who went into circulation. They don't pass by age, but here they pay so well (the salary is a couple of thousand bucks for each performance), and they ride and provide them all over the world! Here in Belarus they were well broken off, but in Paris. However, you have to work. So the show goes on!
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 22 December 2012 11: 21
        +16
        Yes, all sorts of summits in Yakutsk should be organized in December-January, they’ll try to shake the frost on their bare feet in the frost lol
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 23 December 2012 00: 39
          +3
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          in the frost they will try to shake their bare tits

          Well, you’re severe, buddy, How can people be entertained with stupid hens?
    3. bask
      bask 22 December 2012 11: 14
      +17
      Quote: Magadan
      And here I am all amazed at these femen. Is it really so attractive the image of half-cunning shrill lesbians?

      ,,,, All the power in the boobs ,,, Now this schizophrenia and to Egypt dokotilal.-participates. While only one ... But ,, democracy ,, in Amerov’s steps in the Arab countries ... Everything is ahead ,,, go under amers, roofing felts will still be oy.oy.oy. laughing laughing laughing
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 22 December 2012 11: 34
        +9
        I am afraid in EGYPT these naked bodies to Muslim brothers AS A RED RAG FOR A BULL (FOOR PLAYS WITH A FIRE)
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 22 December 2012 14: 09
          +14
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          (WITH FIRING PLAY FOURS)

          These fools are used as ANTISLAVIAN PROMOTION. Even official events, for example, a snapshot from the opening session of the new convocation of the Verkhovna Rada, can’t do without them now. The attributes of the national costume are used - earlier an embroidery, bread and salt, a wreath on the head, now - the same wreath on the head, there is no embroidery, but instead of bread and salt they offer to feed ... you see for yourself what ... negative Ponytails, apparently, a sign of de-evolution from man to monkey?
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 23 December 2012 11: 16
            -2
            It would be better if they gave birth to children, fools.
            1. 46bob46
              46bob46 23 December 2012 14: 06
              +7
              In no case. Can such ice have normal offspring?
              1. mamba
                mamba 23 December 2012 15: 29
                +1
                Quote: 46bob46
                Can such ice have normal offspring?

                Apparently, they do not give up hope of giving birth, but because cowards have not yet taken off, otherwise gynecologists scolded ... laughing The snow still lies cold. yes
            2. vladek64
              vladek64 24 December 2012 12: 22
              +1
              Quote: radio operator
              It would be better if they gave birth to children, fools

              God forbid! So you can’t let multiply!
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 22 December 2012 14: 35
          +10
          Along with the main character (Obama, according to "Time") must be an antihero. They have them, and, of course, from Russia:
          "The portal Wired.com, the online version of the popular American magazine Wired, which writes about the impact of computer technology on culture, economy and politics, has published a list of the 15 most dangerous people in the world, which includes the founder of Kaspersky Lab (LC) Eugene Kaspersky. Kaspersky involved in the disclosure of cyber attacks and cyber espionage of the United States against Iran's nuclear program. He exposed the world's first cyber weapon, the newspaper notes. Kaspersky was included in the list also because he “cooperates with the FSB,” “the successor of the KGB." Employees of his company, it is alleged in the message, “train agents.” “The blacklisting law” was also supported by Kaspersky, Wired sneaks, citing the words of the head of LC that “there is too much freedom on the Internet.” Recall that at the end of July, Wired published a fairly large material on LK and its leader, who, as the article stated, “graduated from the KGB-sponsored Moscow Institute of Cryptography, Communications and Informatics in 1987 and began to workto the Soviet army ".

          Kaspersky’s popular anti-virus programs, the author of the article notes, are under suspicion in the West precisely because of its owner, whose "friendly relations with Vladimir Putin and the Federal Security Service of Russia (FSB) put issues on the independence of the company on the agenda."

          In the fight against computer crime, the FSB works closely with experts from Kaspersky. Its specialists train FSB agents, and from time to time they turn to Kaspersky to solve especially important problems. At present, Kaspersky Lab is one of two antivirus software companies licensed by the FSB to sell it to Russian state-owned enterprises. The magazine also drew attention to the company's active participation in the study of "American cyber weapons" Stuxnet and Duqu, and at the same time a cool attitude towards investigating cyber attacks on popular opposition blogs in LiveJournal and the website of the newspaper "Kommersant" shortly before the elections to the State Duma in 2011 years. Nevertheless, Wired complains, Kaspersky Lab, despite its links to the FSB, is one of the largest manufacturers of anti-virus software in the world. The company's website says that its products and technologies protect more than 300 million people around the world. "Http://cripo.com.ua/? Sect_id = 10 & aid = 147804
          1. Sanches
            Sanches 22 December 2012 16: 35
            +2
            Kaa Today, 14:35
            I heard that Kaspersky Jew works for Mossad, now they say that he is a Soviet spy and works for KG, what else will they tell, interesting?
        3. hrych
          hrych 22 December 2012 16: 18
          +9
          The fact of the matter is that this Arab scum came to tolerant, white Sweden and let's shake her slimy ginetalia. Now, if it had arranged in Cairo, it would have been an act (though akin to suicide through makatuki).
          1. bask
            bask 22 December 2012 21: 32
            +5
            [quote = grunt] The main thing is that Novodvorskaya doesn’t think of it .... Hrych .... And this toad ,,,,, will become a princess too ,,, will not vomit, ???
      2. hrych
        hrych 22 December 2012 16: 22
        +9
        In general, I like this protest, in the club you have to pay for viewing, but here for nothing in the barn. The main thing is that Novodvorskaya and the Snow Maiden Alekseeva do not want to expose herself, otherwise many patriots and conservatives will fall like Hillory from diarrhea.
        1. bask
          bask 22 December 2012 21: 16
          +4
          Quote: hrych
          Novodvorskaya and Snegurochka- Alekseeva to expose, otherwise many

          Hrych ,, Damn ,, ordered schasssssss. Bezzzz problems ... But in the ass drunk with ... poodle, Alekseyev in this way .....
    4. avdkrd
      avdkrd 22 December 2012 12: 34
      +5
      atheism is essentially the same religion. It’s just that someone believes that there is a god, and an atheist believes that he does not exist, and both rely only on faith, and there are more arguments that God is more. The ladies are just biased, dumb lyady, although it is not a fact that they are doing this on beliefs (just work), someone is financing all their activities and femin is just a brand. The ways and means of making a profit are inscrutable, because if you think about it, then starting from all world religions (or rather the institutions of these religions - churches, synagogues, etc.) and ending with the Greenpeace and terrorist organizations, it’s just BUSINESS. In all of these activities there is an IDEA for the masses, but the goals are power and ultimately money.
  • zeksus
    zeksus 22 December 2012 10: 45
    +5
    Alaska, comrades, it's high time to return !!!
    1. askort154
      askort154 22 December 2012 11: 43
      +13
      Quote zeksus Alaska, comrades, it's high time to return!

      We would, the Far East, Chukotka, Kamchatka and Yu. Sakhalin lead to
      to the level of the Moscow region. Then you can remember about Alaska.
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 22 December 2012 18: 54
      +4
      You give Alaska, California, and the original lands of Germany belonging to our kings!
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 23 December 2012 09: 13
        -1
        Quote: vezunchik

        Give Alaska, California and Germany’s native lands

        YES HELLO WORLD REVOLUTION!
  • Cavas
    Cavas 22 December 2012 10: 49
    +9
    Alaska For Sale, in his opinion, it can reduce federal debt by 10-25% of GDP, returning it to a controlled safe framework.

    It can be seen quite tight! wassat
    1. bask
      bask 22 December 2012 13: 20
      +6
      Quote: Cavas
      It can be seen quite tight!

      THE BORDER OF RUSSIA WITH CANADA IN 2020 ..... soldier :
      1. zh1
        zh1 22 December 2012 15: 58
        +2
        And why are the names not Russian?
        1. psv_company
          psv_company 24 December 2012 15: 00
          0
          Do not rewrite
      2. Oleg1986
        Oleg1986 22 December 2012 20: 14
        +3
        It will be more convenient to play hockey.
  • itr
    itr 22 December 2012 10: 53
    +4
    Ukrainian Ministry of Justice authorized the official use of the words "Jew" and "Zhidovka" and how after that they are not called ami ???
    Ukrainian activists undressed in Sweden, protesting against orders in Egypt -Swedish family
    Georgian Minister is going to return South Ossetia and Abkhazia through 6-7 years Well, everything will be like ours, but in 2020
    1. knn54
      knn54 23 December 2012 12: 50
      0
      A Jew is not a nation, it is a nature. People can be divided into 2 categories — some go to Calvary, others (Jews) carry bars for the cross.
      Femen-political ... confusion.
      Georgia in 6 years? Turks will take Adjara for debts and ... in general, let’s take a look.
  • vladek64
    vladek64 22 December 2012 10: 55
    +4
    If it was just a news review would put a plus. But here, the authors piled various subjects into a heap and supplied them with their comments. Mostly incorrect comments.
    For example, in the first plot, next to the "Jews" suddenly appeared "moska..li". What for? As far as I know, the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine did not give any explanations about the word "moska..l". Then why weave it into the plot?
    Or do some of the "Jews" have a desire to hide behind the back of "mosk..lei"? smile
    Incorrect. And aimed at inciting hostility between the Slavs.

    And about Femen to say that these are "glorified pretty girls", can only people who are very unlucky with the fair sex.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 22 December 2012 11: 05
      +14
      “Results of the week” rubric: ironic retelling and satirical analysis of the main world news over the past week. The Ministry of Food and Food Industry warns: use with caution, the dish contains humor!- especially for you on the article.
      1. vladek64
        vladek64 22 December 2012 11: 25
        +9
        Quote: Smirnov Vadim
        ironic retelling and satirical analytics

        And where is the irony and satire in the fact that you dragged "Moscow .. lei" to the "Jews"?
        The joke is clearly "smelly".

        "World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The spearhead of the struggle will be directed, first of all, to break this friendship."
        http://warfiles.ru/show-10901-prorochestvo-stalina-o-rossii.html
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 22 December 2012 11: 51
          +10
          Dear Vladimir, that is, you do not consider the third phrase in the proposed "test" as an option? I did not think that I would have to separately explain what is being discussed in the part that you somehow connected sideways with inciting hatred. I thought that it was the Svoboda party that was stirring it up with its statements, but, it turns out, journalists again ...
          1. vladek64
            vladek64 22 December 2012 12: 10
            +6
            Quote: Volodin
            I thought it was the Svoboda party that was kindling it with its statements.


            You will laugh when you find out that Jews voted for the Svoboda party, after a statement to Jews was made at the rabbis' congress (in Dnepropetrovsk): “Do not worry about Svoboda, everything is fine”. That is, the Svoboda party is organizing a circus with the permission and support of the synagogue.
            And long before the election, there were rumors that they were being financed by Kolomoisky (our Ukrainian oligarch and president of the European Jewish parliament).
            Why do they need it? There are many answers to this question in history.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 22 December 2012 13: 45
              +8
              Quote: vladek64
              they are financed by Kolomoisky (our Ukrainian oligarch and president of the European Jewish parliament).

              "" Sieg Heil! Rudolf Hess, Hitler Youth, SS ", - patriotically shouted those walking not under an escort, but under the protection of militia and the flags of the" free "political party of Ukraine, young people on November 16 in Kharkov. So, the party under whose banners they marched with Nazi slogans, in the recent elections to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine received almost 11% of the votes of citizens of Ukraine and, accordingly, 25 seats in the Ukrainian parliament on party lists and 12 on majoritarian. Her Fuhrer - Oleg Tyagnybok. According to Tadeusz Olshansky from the Center Eastern Studies (Center for Eastern Studies), the party's unofficial program, “which is implied in the statements and actions of Svoboda members, is racist.” Andreas Umland, senior lecturer in political science at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy, agrees: “Freedom is a racist party that promotes clearly ethnocentric and anti-Semitic ideas. ”Already in the first paragraph, the Svoboda activists declare lustration of all KGB agents and civil servants who were in senior positions in the CPSU. They are the whole twenty years that purposefully prevent the country from developing. And it seems that this particular point causes the greatest emotion of a fiery fighter with the heritage of a totalitarian past Novodvorskaya, who admitted that in her office on a place of honor hangs a portrait of Stepan Bandera. Even more fun with the formation of government. Firstly, there should be a proportional representation of ethnic Ukrainians and representatives of national minorities. Secondly, the main thing for a government official is not at all his intellectual and personal qualities, but his nationality. Although clinical imbecile, but the right ethnic Ukrainian, preferably from Lemberg, Stanislav, Rivne or Tarnopol. It is suggested that Statehood of Ukraine was resumed in Lviv on June 30, 1941. The second paragraph of the section is a statement of the fact that from 1918 to 1991 Ukraine was occupied by Bolshevik Russia, and as a result of this there was an unprecedented genocide of Ukrainians, which should be recognized by the whole world, and Moscow should apologize and compensate for it. the main thing in foreign policy is stop participating in all projects initiated by Moscow (CIS, EEA, EurAsEC), establish a visa regime with Russia, and probably even better to fence the border with barbed wire, Bruno spirals and minefields, to guarantee the renewal of Ukraine’s nuclear status. On the defensive - completely “lie” under NATO to protect against aggression. Crimea, as it became known from the "Freedom" leaflets of the 2008 model, "must be either Ukrainian or deserted." Rumors have repeatedly sounded that in addition to the Party of Regions, "Freedom" is funded by an oligarch Igor Kolomoisky. This was said, in particular, the communist Vasily Polishchuk and the ex-people's deputy and ex-mayor of Uzhgorod Sergey Ratushnyak. Russian oligarch Alexandra Lebedeva, whose fortune is estimated at more than a billion dollars, was also accused of financing Ukrainian neo-Nazis. "http://from-ua.com/politics/97041568daea1.html
              A strange combination of Novodvorskaya, Kolomoisky, Lebedev + "Freedom" = ????????? negative
              1. vladek64
                vladek64 22 December 2012 14: 25
                +9
                Quote: Kaa
                A strange combination of Novodvorskaya, Kolomoisky, Lebedev + "Svoboda"

                Well, I don’t know anything about the interests of Novodvorskaya and Lebedev. And Kolomoisky’s interest is quite obvious. He cannot stand against the Russian oligarchs - therefore, a political force is needed to oppose the rapprochement between Russia and Ukraine, which will not allow the arrival of Russian oligarchs in Ukraine.
                He has nothing to fear from the West - no one needs Ukraine there. So a friend is trying to fence his feeding trough.
                Well, the synagogue must fulfill the plan of emigration to Israel. For this, the "Svoboda" scarecrow is also very suitable. This very much explains the inappropriate behavior of the Svobodists - the guys execute the command "Scare all the Jews and Muscovites!"
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 22 December 2012 15: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: vladek64
                  I don’t know anything about the interests of Novodvorskaya and Lebedev.

                  "Lebedev, who finances the newspaper Novaya Gazeta", appointed to the board of directors of state-controlled Aeroflot Alexey Navalny, and also openly declared his readiness to become one of the donors to the Anti-Corruption Fund.
                  : http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/lyudi/142458-lebedev-poshel-po-state-pussy-riot-mi

                  lliarderu-predyavleno-obvinenie-v-huligan
                  Banker Alexander Lebedev intends to create a new political party together with ex-president of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev. This is reported by RIA "Novosti" with reference to the newspaper The New York Times. Presumably, the new political project will be called "The Independent Democratic Party of Russia". Http://krsk.sibnovosti.ru/glamour/59280-gorbachev-i-bankir -le
                  bedev-
                  sozdayut-oppozitsionnuyu-partiyu
                  Russian oligarch Alexander Lebedev is bluffing when he claims to support Russian culture in Crimea. All senior positions in his boarding houses in Alushta are occupied by immigrants from Western Ukraine.
                  This was announced at a press conference in Sevastopol by one of the founders of the Russian community of Crimea Aleksey Melnikov.
                  “I have always said to Russians: no money is needed. You have enterprises in Crimea, put Russian people on them, and our organization will be strengthened. But Lebedev, who bought all the sanatorium complexes in Alushta, appoints people from Western Ukraine who hate Russia. Whose policy is this? Why such an attitude? ” -
                  NR2.ru: http://www.nr2.ru/sevas/417290.html
                  " At the beginning of August billionaire in an interview with Reuters announced plans to get rid of all business assets in Russia: “I'm trying to collapse all my projects completely - to zero”
                  http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/lyudi/142458-lebedev-poshel-po-state-pussy-riot-mi

                  lliarderu-predyavleno-obvinenie-v-huligan
                  Perhaps it is preparing the ground for itself in Ukraine, with the "Svobodovskaya parliamentary roof"?
                  1. vladek64
                    vladek64 22 December 2012 22: 06
                    +3
                    Quote: Kaa
                    Banker Alexander Lebedev intends to create a new political party together with ex-president of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev


                    Well, if with Gorbachev, then everything is clear. A labeled bear marks everyone who contacts him.
              2. zh1
                zh1 22 December 2012 16: 34
                0
                And the stay of the territory of modern Ukraine as part of the Russian Empire is not called occupation?
          2. vladek64
            vladek64 22 December 2012 13: 01
            -1
            Quote: Volodin
            Dear Vladimir, that is, you do not consider the third phrase in the proposed "test" as an option?

            Here's an example of how you can consider the third phrase in the schizophrenic version: http://hvylya.org/analytics/politics/hohlam-ne-mesto-v-ukraine.html

            Let me remind you that initially it was about the "Jews". The rest were dragged by the authors of the comments.
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 22 December 2012 16: 36
            +16
            Quote: Volodin
            I thought it was the Svoboda party that was stirring it up with its statements, but, it turns out, journalists again ...


            A famous Russian politician arrives in his native village to his grandmother.
            The day after arrival, the granny says to her granddaughter:
            - Help me, granddaughter, in the barn to collect manure. And I meanwhile
            I’ll work in the field.
            The politician agreed.
            In the evening, the granny checks the barn and is surprised - all the manure has been collected.
            in large barrels.
            Granny:
            - It’s not true, granddaughters, about you, politicians, they say that you do nothing
            you don’t know how - you see how well done you are.
            The next morning, the granny again to her granddaughter:
            - Help me, granddaughter, scatter all this dung across the field.
            The politician agreed.
            In the evening, the granny checks the field and again wonders - all the manure is scattered
            evenly across the field.
            Granny:
            - Good boy! I think it’s specially for you, politicians are slandering,
            that you don’t know how to do anything, and what a fellow you are.
            On the third day, the granny says to her granddaughter:
            - Help me, granddaughter, in the chicken coop to sort through the eggs: those that are larger,
            to the left basket, and those that are smaller to the right basket.
            The politician agreed.
            In the evening, the granny enters the chicken coop and sees a pensive politician in front of
            empty baskets, and in his hand in his egg.
            Granny:
            - Grandson, what happened, why didn’t you go over the testicles?
            Politician:
            - Yes, you see, grandmother, when you need to collect or scatter shit - this
            we can. But when to make a decision, it doesn’t work out here!
      2. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 12: 08
        -6
        Quote: Smirnov Vadim

        Heading “Weekly Results”: ironic retelling and satirical analysis of the main world news over the past week. The Ministry of Food and Agriculture warns: use with caution, the dish contains humor! - especially for you over the article.

        Then the question arises: what does this have to do with Military Review?
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 22 December 2012 12: 17
          +17
          Believe it or not, you are not the first to ask such a question, which is not the first time you have to answer: What if the publication is called Kommersant - they only write about taxes, Trud - only about migrant workers, or something. .. And on "Dozhd" obviously not only weather forecasts are broadcast ... Guys, what a snobbery ...
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 12: 43
            -1
            Snob is a man blindly striving to imitate the tastes and manners of the bourgeois-aristocratic circle. S.I.Ozhegov.
            The word is beautiful, but what does it have to do with it? winked
            With this trend, soon on Military Review will it be possible to find out the weather forecast? Or rent a property?
            I am not against diversity and coverage of important events. But it should be either ANALYTICS, or just bare FACTS (no comments).
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 22 December 2012 13: 00
              +4
              And despite the fact that you are the imitators of the manners of a couple of people who here occasionally ask such questions as empty trolling, and you are. Your comment about the weather and other things is a clear example. Any publication (including "VO") has a simple motto: they are not satisfied with the materials - do not read, who is forcing?

              PS One thing I don’t understand: what does it mean “should” and even “no comment”. What are you here in the censors that you decided? We don't owe you anything personally. Ask those who should.
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 13: 16
                -4
                Well, what are these nerves for? Restrained pride allows you to drop to the level of market trading? Good luck in the further writing of feuilleton.
                Quote: Volodin
                Are you here in the censors or something decided?

                Why not? Each commentator is a censor.

                Quote: Volodin
                Any publication (including "VO") has a simple motto: they are not satisfied with the materials - do not read, who is forcing?

                No. This is not our rule. I saw what you do not like - turn away. This motto is for passive slobber. You didn’t write in your notebook, but in a public place. Therefore, it is logical that people will express their opinion. And what were expected only laudatory relativity, enthusiasm and agreement in everything?
                1. Volodin
                  Volodin 22 December 2012 13: 44
                  +8
                  So you noticed that your comments are not even about the essence of the article, but by its very presence. And if not in essence, then what are they for. It would be possible to agree with you or not if you touched on a specific issue on the material. Well, and so - why this printing "a lot of bukoff", I do not understand. We are stubborn people, everyone will still have their own opinion. In general, I'm not forcing you to clap your hands for one kind of article. Well, neither do you, please, do not say that we "should" here. If I was harsh with you personally, I beg your pardon. In general, I am a non-conflict person, I hope you are too.
                  1. gladiatorakz
                    gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 13: 51
                    -8
                    Quote: Volodin
                    Trolling is a great thing. Continue in the same spirit. Go far! We have some on the same trolling to marshals are served

                    You know better. I am not interested in titles, as well as you, as an interlocutor. Good luck with the stars. laughing
                    1. Volodin
                      Volodin 22 December 2012 13: 54
                      -1
                      Notice, this is no longer. No need to rush. laughing
                  2. gladiatorakz
                    gladiatorakz 22 December 2012 21: 05
                    -2
                    Quote: Volodin
                    If I was harsh personally with you - please forgive. .


                    Forget resentment, never forget kindness. soldier
                    (Confucius)
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 24 December 2012 10: 45
                      +2
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      Forget resentment, never forget kindness. (Confucius)


                      The disciples turned to Confucius with one of the basic questions of being.

                      - Teacher, if you hit one cheek, would you substitute the other?

                      Confucius.

                      - No. It is necessary to answer with justice.
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 22 December 2012 16: 33
            +2
            +++ plus!
    2. Fox
      Fox 22 December 2012 11: 37
      -2
      maybe liquid = ikoskal ... something like that.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 22 December 2012 11: 08
    +13
    Ukrainian Ministry of Justice authorized the official use of the words "Jew" and "Zhidovka"
    for this alone, the minister and deputies resigned. am
    Nazarbayev calls to translate Kazakh into Latin
    why such a negative reaction is not clear to me winked .Kazakhstan is a sovereign state and that’s it.
    Georgian Minister is going to return South Ossetia and Abkhazia through 6-7 years
    only here is how ...........................?!
    What kind of gifts do you give on New Year's Eve?
    this is not a gift but idle talk, maybe Jupiter will be renamed in honor of her name lol
    How Putin and Zorkin Argued About Knowledge of the Constitution
    daaaaaaaaa, dear Mr. Zorkin, get ready to resign. This joke will cost you dearly wink
    How did the opposition burn
    quote-In general, the Investigative Committee decided to tackle the secrets of the past of our opposition. Well, what: mail and caps - as an option? If you dig even deeper, it can deal with vouchers with chewing gum. But if, indeed, before the end of the year she will go to Angarsk: well, what is not the Decembrist ...
    Smiled and made laugh laughing laughing laughing Bravo Alexey and Oleg !!!
    For Israel, Singapore and Syria
    citation-The Bonn International Institute of Conversion compiled a rating of global militarization. The most militarized states of the world were in the 2012 year Israel, Singapore and Syria.
    1. Gored these ratings.
    2. I wonder how Singapore turned out there. Probably, and there they gave it to the paw. laughing
    3. where is Iran? forgot about Iran.
    in general with these homegrown experts everything is clear laughing
    Ukrainian activists undressed in Sweden, protesting against orders in Egypt
    In photographs that went around the Internet, three feminists at the embassy bashfully cover their genitals with mock-ups of the Torah, Quran, and Bible. am

    they had to go to Egypt ................. and all !!! I watched the video on YouTube. Scum!
    The editors of "Time" did not have enough spirit to place an atomic communist on the cover.
    Well, otherwise, they would have arranged a car accident otherwise (to him chief editor).
    "Financial break" America is not terrible, if America sells Alaska
    immediately came to mind the words of the character (Miloslavsky) from the film "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession! -What are you, a son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state land ?! So you will not be enough of any volosts.
    But seriously, I doubt the sale of Alaska, America !!! IMHO
  • Sanches
    Sanches 22 December 2012 11: 29
    +3
    What hurt the transition of Kazakh to Latin? Is any of you so accustomed to Kazakh that switching to another alphabet will be a tangible blow for him? Latin letters are for the most part narrower than Cyrillic ones, they allow reducing the volume of printed materials, integrating with all other Turkic languages ​​(which have long been in Latin) and, most importantly, not worrying about the keyboard layout, which - believe me - is VERY annoying in the case of Kazakh . It would also be nice to replace the letter Қ with K (the modern Kazakh doesn’t use it as a sound anymore), and do it all in one or two years, and not 13 (it’s completely useless to translate old books, documents and maps into new alphabet, new enough), but here everything is in the hands of the president
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 22 December 2012 11: 41
    +12
    Overview as usual +++ good Well, on the topic ... Russia is one of 28 countries that operate in Antarctica. The claims of the USSR to be the undivided master of the continent, based on the fact that it was the Russian expedition that discovered it in 1820, a long time ago. Today, Russia has to think about not being among the Antarctic outsiders. And then even “fly out” from the continent. Moreover, there is an example of Spitsbergen, where our country has been in the position of a poor relative in recent decades. Antarctica is claimed by more than two dozen countries. What is curious: some small-sized states, say, such as Norway, declare their territory at the South Pole, exceeding their own 10 times.
    Japan substantiates its claims in a peculiar way: the explored deposits of gas lie so deep that no one but it has the technology for production. Japan, however, considers this a sufficient reason to demand a certain share of gas reserves.
    Argentina relies on demographic expansion. Aborigines with Argentinean citizenship even appeared on the sixth continent.
    Somehow the Russian polar explorers received an unusual invitation. They went to congratulate Argentinean colleagues on the birth of their first man in Antarctica. They became Pedro Palma. He was born at the Esperanza station.
    Things did not reach military clashes yet, but there were diplomatic problems.
    Somehow, Argentina, seeking to establish itself in the ice region, equipped a special expedition that installed bronze tablets stating that the territory was in the sector of Argentina. Such arbitrariness was not to the liking of the British. They sent their expedition to the penguins and destroyed all the Argentine signs. British flags were placed instead. It is easy to assume that if we leave Antarctica, it will be extremely difficult to return to it, especially since the Americans, in fact, are already now destroying the system of international law, especially in the field of international security, which developed during the period of parity of forces between the Union and the States. Therefore, in the absence of the queen, let's give ourselves (or our Armed Forces will give us) the Arctic and half of the Antarctic ... and then .. "democrats", their mother ... do not sleep.
  • patriot2
    patriot2 22 December 2012 11: 42
    +8
    I don’t know how anyone, but I liked it!
    Thanks to Alexey and Oleg smile
  • Averias
    Averias 22 December 2012 11: 57
    +2
    It seems that the end of the world once again did not wait, and some representatives of humanity continue to go crazy. And Zarkin in the photo, in profile, looks like a character from "The Lord of the Rings" who handed the ring to the protagonist, but he didn't want to give it that way (you feel the analogy).
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 22 December 2012 11: 58
    +3
    Zakareishvili says Abkhazians and Ossetians do not need to wait for development assistance from Russia Probably it's time for this gentleman to buy ties and change his diet ... Let the main ".... shvili" recipe ask, and not want to, so let him eat raw ..
  • kipr12s
    kipr12s 22 December 2012 11: 58
    +2
    I liked the article +, with regards to the opposition, Bulk so soon they will become Anal, or Oval (if they put it).
  • Odessa
    Odessa 22 December 2012 12: 11
    +11
    Authors unchanged +!
    But as for feminists (this is a normal psychological move), if these slap-faced women were dressed with the same posters, then few would pay attention to them, and so bare, they immediately attracted attention both to themselves and to their banners. They are only pawns in a strange game, these emancipated sykuhi, because behind them are those who pay them for these illustrative PR events.
    Nevertheless, all a great weekend!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 December 2012 12: 59
      -2
      Quote: Odessa
      Nevertheless, all a great weekend!


      same to you good
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 22 December 2012 13: 14
        +3
        Apollo,
        same to you

        Thank you!
        1. bask
          bask 23 December 2012 00: 41
          +9
          Obama is unfortunately not. But, HOLIDAY CALCINES ,,,,, J .. Bush ml ... has settled. Flies up however .... wassat
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 23 December 2012 17: 53
            +2
            Quote: bask
            . Takes off however.

            ... and urgently splashed ... Malekho did not calculate, however, he was not the first time ...
  • Rashid
    Rashid 22 December 2012 12: 11
    +4
    The authors of the article, by their youth, probably don’t remember how 15 years ago in Tatarstan they also shouted about switching to the Latin alphabet, because it seems to be Russia. Then it somehow died out. By the way, both the Tatar and Kazakh languages ​​used Latin in the 30s, then before the war, it seems in 1938, a transition to the Cyrillic alphabet was made. Here, apparently, just someone wants to make money at this event. In the Kazakh language there are several sounds that are not in Russian, so several letters were invented to denote them, and the Latin alphabet is even shorter than Russian. Therefore, it is necessary to compose new letters with tails like in Turkish.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 22 December 2012 16: 40
      +3
      In Tatarstan, the local parliament even began work on translating into Latin, but Moscow issued a special decree, according to which the introduction of the Latin alphabet instead of the Cyrillic alphabet in the subjects of the Federation was prohibited. That stalled business.
      And about supposedly making money. If it is very interesting, then in Kazakh forums this idea is supported by almost all Kazakhs, regardless of political beliefs, age or gender.
      What version of the Latin alphabet will be used is not yet determined. As far as I know, linguists proposed in the late 90s about twenty variants of the Kazakh Latin alphabet, including the old Latin script. Yes, they’ll choose a thread more comfortable.
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 22 December 2012 12: 14
    +6
    “Vladimir Putin, who seeks to restore the power and glory of Russia, could restore the government’s residence in the former capital of Alaska, Sitka, the southern coastal city in which St. Michael’s Russian Orthodox Church has been preserved.” Well, what, I would have strained the oligarchs. Although they are unlikely to pull even the starting price ... But it would be cool, and Alaska would be returned, and the oligarchs, according to their states, would be closer to the people (and in the middle of Alaska there would be a huge obelisk with bas-reliefs of "Abramovmchi ..) laughing
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 22 December 2012 12: 32
    +18
    here you and long-serving comrades with battered military IDs, university students with military departments, people with limited military qualifications, and even conscripts who have not yet served a day. But the picky Germans do not believe that "in a real military conflict, all this army existing on paper will be of some military value." Oh-plya, gentlemen of Fritz, they already forgot who you ... didn’t kick who drove you from Moscow .. am After all, these were not only regular parts ..
    1. Ilyich
      Ilyich 22 December 2012 13: 42
      +10
      Quote: anfreezer
      Ooooh, gentlemen of Fritz, they already forgot who you ... didn’t kick who drove you from Moscow.

      Yes, it seemed strange to me too ...
      I, in a sinful affair, thought that 70 years ago everyone was lucidly explained to them that every Russian, regardless of gender, age and education, poses a serious danger to democrats what
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 22 December 2012 12: 38
    +15
    Tyagnibok, Miroshnichenko and Farion, leading their kind not at all from a single Slavic people, but, apparently, from the epic tribes of the great Ukrainian ...

    From I’ll kill @ kov, not from Ukrainians! I have a wife and all her relatives are Ukrainians (Western Ukraine - for father-in-law and Central - for mother-in-law), and this is their opinion about the Ukrainian kind of these freaks.
    1. vladek64
      vladek64 22 December 2012 12: 46
      +9
      Quote: VadimSt
      From I’ll kill @ kov, not from Ukrainians!

      It is right. Prostitution has no nationality.
    2. MG42
      MG42 23 December 2012 18: 15
      +3
      Quote: VadimSt
      Tyagnibok, Miroshnichenko and Farion

      It’s incorrect to write Miroshnichenko from the Party of Regions on a par with the Fuhrer Tyagnibok and crazy woman Farion from the Nationalist Freedom Party. These are very different types.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 23 December 2012 18: 36
        +3
        Quote: MG42
        Incorrect Miroshnichenko from the party of regions to write in one row with the Fuhrer Tyagnibok

        This is not the one, this one with unconventional curls ... "brother", damn it ...
        "Igor Mikhailovich Miroshnichenko is a Ukrainian sports journalist and politician, TV presenter, commentator and analyst, member of the Political Council of VO" Svoboda ", head of the Sumy regional organization of VO" Svoboda ".
        1. MG42
          MG42 23 December 2012 18: 55
          +3
          Yeah, I talked about Yuriy Miroshnichenko from PR.

          I'm sorry hi This analyst commentator is a new person in politics, this is a real Natsik!
  • nokki
    nokki 22 December 2012 12: 43
    +3
    ] Thanks for the review! About Alaska - pinned!
  • cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 22 December 2012 12: 58
    +6
    Latin will allow you to turn the Kazakh language, quote, "into the language of modern information"

    Why latin? After all, there is Fortran, Kobol, BASIC, Lisp, Java, C #, why should I go in cycles in Latin?
    Uh, where are you, Cyril and Methodius? ..

    Although, of course, the question is purely rhetorical, but in the context of Kazakhstan, the answer suggests itself: - ... where, where, (well, thereafter!)
    Naked and frozen

    It would be more correct frostbitten! And not completely naked, for the completeness of the picture and to heighten the effect, they should have stood barefoot! And to stand not in dry Stockholm, but in "sunny" Yakutia, for at least an hour. Only under such conditions, with the acquisition of a gentle blue-violet hue, it would be possible to start selling under the brand - "Femen fresh frozen" Not worth the price! ...
    What is the strength in, brother?..
    funds in the amount of 55 million rubles settled on the brothers' accounts

    Judging by the way the Russian Post works, the brothers took out a much larger sum from there!
    What kind of gifts do you give on New Year's Eve?

    Still, the pettiness of the British parliamentarians is surprising! ... Well, what is it, "Land"? To walk, so to walk, Queen Elizabeth World, this is ours!
    "Financial break" America is not terrible, if America sells Alaska

    Here, there would not have missed! Alaska, not Alaska, but Florida, would be nice to buy! I remember in the 91st year of January 30, there were +28 Celsius!

    And finally, I want to blame the authors for not mentioning the end of the world in a single word! Ah, that’s not the order, for example, yesterday, for example, the end of the world came already twice! The whole refrigerator has defrosted! request
  • Simple
    Simple 22 December 2012 13: 43
    +3
    When my son was three years old, I gave him the Traxxas Summit for his birthday. The car is a beast. Of course, in three years, he could not cope with the management. so I had to manage it myself.
    On the other hand, if I gave it to myself, my wife would
    the deal is not approved.

    The same situation with this "gift" Queen Elizabeth Land. IMXO.

    Commentary: “Financial cliff” is not scary for America if America sells Alaska

    The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers of the United States drove into a debt bag, now through the sale of Alaska (and future fraud with the Antarctic) will be other key players in the geopolitical arena to drive into debt.
    P.S. strange, why in dollars?

    Commentary: “Financial cliff” is not scary for America if America sells Alaska

    The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers of the United States drove into a debt bag, now through the sale of Alaska (and future fraud with the Antarctic) will be other key players in the geopolitical arena to drive into debt.
    P.S. strange, why in dollars?
  • david210512
    david210512 22 December 2012 13: 52
    +5
    Alaska hmm a good strategic position that opens the way not only to Canada but also to the United States !!!!!! hi
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 December 2012 15: 08
    +7
    many thanks to the authors. I came home from work, improved my mood. although it was not boring at work today.
    and I have comments on only two points:
    1) albeit an evil ho-ho-l, but he is right about one thing. indeed, all Russian writers have never used the word "Jew", but only as this deputy voiced. but he forgot that not a single one wrote the word "Ukrainian", but only "h-o-ho-l".
    2) the naglo-Saxons are again ahead of everyone when it comes to dough. like absolutely everyone has recognized the complete non-belonging of Antarctica, and these are pledging to their future place. when the "Soviet icebergs" will keep order in the world's oceans.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 22 December 2012 18: 33
    0
    “You can go the legal way. Hard to get. ”
    In 2013, our beloved government gave us a great gift! Now those with IP will pay 36 thousand rubles to the Pension Fund. And if you take into account how many small individual entrepreneurs working in the market have small taxes, then they simply go bankrupt and have already begun to close. And in place of the expected growth in contributions to the Pension Fund will be .... Yes, open unemployment will increase ...
    Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day!
  • WW3
    WW3 22 December 2012 22: 35
    +5
    Ukrainian journalist found out the size of the salaries of activists of the FEMEN movement. To do this, she had to get a "job".

    First, she passed the "interview". As it turned out, formalities are not required, "it is enough to be photographed with a bare chest on the phone of one of the colleagues."

    As the leader of the movement, Oleksandr Shevchenko, explained, "this is necessary so that I understand that you are ready to undress. So that during the action, when we walk alongside somewhere, I suddenly do not understand that you are not mentally ready for this."

    After instructing how to behave in front of television and cameras, the journalist was sent on the first task - to participate in an action near the Islamic center in Paris.

    The financial costs of a trip to France amounted to almost one thousand euros per day for each FEMEN activist, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the Ukrainian TV channel "1 + 1".

    For an office in the center of Kiev FEMEN pays about 20 thousand hryvnia per month (2,5 thousand dollars). The salary of each activist is at least one thousand dollars a month.

    Who sponsors the campaign and contains FEMEN is not exactly established. Most often in the society of feminists they see allegedly the former owner of the KP Media media holding, American Jed Sanden, German millionaire Helmut Gayer and German businesswoman Beatu Schober.
    http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/21-09-2012/1128915-femen-0/
  • mark021105
    mark021105 22 December 2012 22: 44
    +8
    In addition, the president of friendly Kazakhstan notes that with the presence of the Latin alphabet, citizens of the country will be able to “make a breakthrough” and receive “unlimited opportunities”. Somewhere we already heard something similar ...

    If you look at the experience of Uzbekistan, this did not lead to anything good. A generation of young people has grown up, which now neither in Cyrillic nor in Latin can really read or write. Textbooks and scientific literature in Cyrillic. And all this is still the legacy of the USSR. They themselves have not yet published anything. The people are degrading for this reason, among many. Uzbekistan made a "leap" in the opposite direction for 100 years. Isn't it a lesson for the rest?
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 23 December 2012 17: 38
      +2
      There is already enough written on this topic. If you want answers, read other posts.
  • homosum20
    homosum20 22 December 2012 22: 46
    +1
    Ukrainian parliament is much more liberal than our administrators
  • fenix57
    fenix57 23 December 2012 06: 20
    0
    Yes they are fucked up. Almost complete dependence on the Russian Federation .. Borders ... yes.
  • radio operator
    radio operator 23 December 2012 11: 10
    +2
    Yeah. If we are talking about, albeit on the sidelines, the sale of Alaska, it seems, the poor have to get very tight.
  • Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator 23 December 2012 17: 55
    +1
    Yes, it’s time to sell them Alaska, or they can print 16 trillion dollars laughing
    1. Konrad
      Konrad 23 December 2012 21: 07
      0
      [quote = Svatdevostator] Yes, it’s time to sell them Alaska [/ quote]
      Well, if Stephen Mafson. For you credibility, DREAM! Like children, by golly!
      The answer is ded 73 - (otherwise restrictions were put on me again, I have 2 comments in one glass!)

      But why did the truthful and witty commentators not obstebal "thank you, Vova"? [/ Quote]
      I liked it, laughed heartily! Normal humor.
  • ded_73
    ded_73 23 December 2012 19: 19
    +3
    And why did the truthful and witty commentators not obstebal "thank you, Vova"? Or is it not news of the week? And, I forgot, you can close publications for such "comments" ... It's easier for the elderly and not very women to fuck around. Not scary, "like an officer and like a man."
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 23 December 2012 21: 01
    +2
    Militants surrender en masse to Bashar al-Assad

    In the suburbs of Syrian Damascus, militants surrender en masse to Syrian troops. This was reported today by the news service of the independent publication Al-Watan. According to him, over the past three days, Bashar al-Assad's army has dealt serious strikes against groups in Khojeyra, Diyabiya and Aqrab. As a result of the fighting, the opposition forces suffered heavy human losses and lost a significant part of their military equipment.

    The militants who settled on the outskirts of Duma and in Eastern Ghouta were forced to retreat. The units were divided into small groups of 15-50 people and are trying to break through the encirclement. So far, the Syrian army "does not speed up the operation to clean up the area and conducts it systematically, destroying the bases of terrorists and mercenaries everywhere," a source in the Damascus military department said. The military was tasked with "completely ridding the capital and its inhabitants of the terrorist threat."

    Information Minister Omran al-Zuabi today issued a statement that "the republic's valiant armed forces will pursue gangs of militants throughout Syria." He stated that recently the opposition is increasingly committing sabotage against economic objects, attacking civilians and plundering.

    At the same time, he stressed that the authorities are ready to conduct a dialogue with the patriotic factions of the opposition, which oppose foreign interference, in defense of national sovereignty. "Only those who believe in the possibility of a political settlement can be partners in the dialogue," al-Zuabi quoted ITAR-TASS as saying. “Those who oppose the dialogue are afraid of its results and a democratic way out of the crisis through the ballot boxes,” the head of the Information Ministry is sure.
  • Budilnik
    Budilnik 24 December 2012 01: 06
    0
    For some reason, Kuprin, Chekhov and other Russian writers used this word "Jew". And now it is possible to swear "great Russian swearing words" in the media and in literature, and not only on fences, and the word "Jew" should not be used as it were.
    I only think that such a situation is created by these very Jews themselves. I am absolutely in solidarity with the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice. And in Poland this word is still normal.
    1. Cat
      Cat 24 December 2012 04: 45
      +2
      Quote: Budilnik

      For some reason, Kuprin, Chekhov and other Russian writers used this word "Jew".

      this is all due to a lack of civilization, tolerance and political correctness. But if Russia does not deviate from the path of familiarizing with universal human democratic values, then not only Kuprin and Chekhov, but also Pushkin and Lermontov will be rewritten. And then the "Word about Igor's regiment" will be corrected. To match. UWB out, weren't too lazy to withdraw Mark Twain's books and republish them in a politically correct edition - why are we worse? =)
  • Sars
    Sars 24 December 2012 07: 21
    -2
    I'll be back to Nazarbayev. I remember as soon as he became independent, the first thing was an attempt to completely get out of the Russian language. On local TV channels, classes on teaching Kazakhs in Arabic writing were constantly going on. But it did not work out (I will not say why).
    All Russian words in store signs in documents were actively replaced by Kazakh ones. But I don't know where to get the Kazakh counterparts, maybe they already invented it, but then they did it like this: they added the Kazakh ending to the Russian word. There was a pencil - it became a pencillar. There were sports goods - there were sports taurlars. In Semipalatinsk I saw the signboard "Pharmacy". And all this happened under statements like "Russians taught us to drink vodka and not respect our elders."
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 24 December 2012 11: 31
      +2
      1) Never Nazarbayev called to abandon the Russian language. All his public and even non-public speeches have been on the internet since the time of the post of chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Kazakh SSR. Take the trouble to find a link to such statements.
      2) Study of the Koran and the Arabic language - an antagonism to the Russian people? Hello, we've arrived. Or maybe we should study the Bible with Latin so as not to frighten the Russians? What else scares and offends you personally? List immediately. And that you modestly kept silent "but it didn't work out, I won't say why"? Chop the truth-uterus, that's already there.
      3) If you do not know the Kazakh language, can you then not be clever about what then appeared in Kazakh or what disappeared from there? If you don’t know the language, it means you can’t talk about its vocabulary except speculation.
      4) "Pencil" - in Kazakh "karyndash". Literally means ("kara" + "tas" / "tash") - "black stone" / "graphite". In Russian, the word "pencil" is borrowed from Turkic. Learn your mother tongue, Sars.
      "Sports goods" - in Kazakh "Sportauarlar". "Sport" is a non-Russian word, and "goods" ("tauar") - again appeared in the Russian language through direct borrowing from the Turkic language. Learn your mother tongue, Sars.
      "Pharmacy" - in Kazakh "durikhana". Literally "dori" - "medicine", "khana" - a room / institution. The word "pharmacy" itself is not Russian. Learn your mother tongue, Sars.

      And in order for you to be told something related to alcohol or disrespect for elders, you had to show something to the Kazakhs in order to provoke such a statement.
    2. Beck
      Beck 24 December 2012 11: 57
      +3
      Quote: SarS
      I remember once he (Kazakhstan) became independent, the first thing was an attempt to completely get out of the Russian language.


      Do not overtake. There were no attempts to refuse. Just for 70 years of Soviet power, the Kazakh language in Kazakhstan has been relegated to the background. A certain percentage of Kazakh youth became Russian-speaking, having forgotten their language. Therefore, they began to conduct Kazakh language lessons on television. And also to ensure that the Slavic population somehow understood the language of the country in which they live. The vast majority of Kazakhs are bilingual people who speak Kazakh and Russian fluently. But the Russian-speaking population for 70 years did not bother to learn the Kazakh language at least at an insignificant household level. Just to say hello. Thank. Bye. Just to ask - What time is it now? Who is last? Where to find out? To just explain to the aul grandmother at what stop she needs to go. Well, the Arabic alphabet is an inflection. Inflection is present in any business.

      Quote: SarS
      But where did I get Kazakh analogues, I don’t know, maybe they already thought up, but then they did it like this: they added the Kazakh ending to the Russian word. There was a pencil - it became a pencil. There were sporting goods - sportinglars became.


      The endings were added to the words because so that these words fit harmoniously into the Kazakh language. This is natural. In order for the word revolutio to sound in Russian speech, the ending O in Russian pronunciation is replaced by I - revolution.
      The word sport is an international word. It is in English, and in Russian, and in Kazakh and is Sport. Russian - goods, in Kazakh goods - taular. Russians added to the word sport - goods. Kazakhs added to the word sport - taular. Where is the crime?

      Well, and with a pencil you generally sat in a puddle. The word Turkic pencil is karadaš, pencil is a black stone, subsequently changed to a pencil. And included in the Russian language. And a pencil is a plural - pencils.

      Quote: SarS
      "russians taught us to drink vodka and not respect elders"


      I have not heard such an expression. I heard something else - sad, in a state of hangover.

      "The Russians taught how to drink vodka, but they didn't say how much to drink."
  • Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 28 December 2012 11: 39
    +1
    Not a bad review. There is something to neigh and think about. Well, "Femen" needs to be thrown somewhere in North Africa or in the UAE. And then you see what they invented, in Sweden to fight for Ebibet ... Not the point.