Major Tajik migrant: “Forget the word“ Russians ”

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Karomat Sharipov told why Russia urgently needs so many migrants

The fact that Russians think about migrants is more or less known. What do migrants think about the Russians? There is no opportunity to ask everyone, but some of their media representatives are very willing to extend this topic. This is how Karomat Sharipov, chairman of the All-Russian Public Movement “Tajik Labor Migrants”, gave an interview to the publication “Mercy.ru” on International Migrant Day, which took place on December 18.

The human rights advocate believes that migrants are urgently needed by Russia, because Russians are for the most part rentiers: “The Russians are all at home. And those who have money, even in Russia do not live. And many have two or three apartments and live on money from the lease. This is after all good money, if we are talking about large cities like Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg. There are those who have one apartment, and in order to do nothing, they rent it out, while they themselves live in summer cottages or with relatives. And who rents these apartments? Migrants and rent. And, of course, not a single Russian will ever do such work as migrants from Central Asia do in their lives. ”

Thus, according to Sharipov, migrants bring double benefit - they do dirty work and support property owners. Thanks to them, all Russians have the opportunity to "stay at home." That is probably why some Tajiks walk on the streets. The specific attitude of the human rights defender to the host country of migrants is felt on the move. But further - more.

“Let's forget the word“ Russians, ”he suggests. - Russian can be counted on the fingers. I am watching a video from the “Russian march” and I do not see Russian faces. Let's say "Russians." There are no Tajik people either: they were destroyed during the Civil War. There are Tajiks. The problem is the same. ”

As the cartoon character Hryun once said, this Mr. Sharipov powerfully pushed. Probably, he has 112 of millions of fingers, if he is going to count Russians on them (80% of the 140-million population of the country). By the way, they don’t want to forget that they are Russians. He is also, apparently, an outstanding physiognomist — he can determine nationality by face. Perhaps he can distinguish between a quick look of a Finn from a Swede, an Englishman from a Scotsman, etc. And he is also a prominent historian: he discovered the total destruction of Tajiks during the Civil War, about which no one had heard anything before. Then destroyed only Basmachs. Does he really want to say that all Tajiks were basmachis?

But those days are long gone. Now they are engaged in unskilled manual labor. “Do you know that 90% of migrants from China here in Russia are employers, not employees? - Sharipov opens his eyes to reporters. - Also migrants from Turkey, Yugoslavia. They keep workshops in basements, they are engaged in building projects. And who works for them? That's right: Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, and so on. They are engaged in the most difficult and dirty work: construction, cleaning, digging 60-meter wells oligarchs. For example, our Caucasians are the same as the Tajiks in religion, but they will never do such work. ”

Imagine a well in depth 60 meters is not easy. It is all the more difficult to understand its meaning if it is possible to drill a well elementary. But if Mr. Sharipov speaks about this, then it probably is.

Why all? Because his countrymen are accustomed to such activities from time immemorial: they were forced to do so even in the USSR. “So long ago it happened that the peoples of Central Asia work in such jobs. We are 70 for years in this position, Sharipov argues. - Name, for example, at least one famous pilot from Central Asia. There are only two or three of them. We never had access anywhere during the Soviet era, we were not engaged. We collected vegetables, fruits, cotton, dug, loaded, and so on. And after the collapse of the USSR, it became necessary to rebuild Central Russia. ”

How many years the Soviet Union is not, and claims against him by the former republics are continuing. At the same time, the cities and factories built there during the Soviet era are completely forgotten that before that there were only a steppe with mud huts or yurts, wildness and misery. National groups of students sent in a targeted manner to all Soviet universities from Central Asia, and much more, are forgotten. I remember only that "we were not engaged." How else would you have to deal with?

And now Central Asians, neither more nor less, “rebuild Russia”. The human rights activist has no doubts about this. "All of modern Moscow, with the exception of engineering and technical work, was built by migrants from Central Asia," he said. And he continues: “When they say that“ these Tajiks have become insolent, they want something else for themselves, ”this is ridiculous. They come here for a salary of 12 000. Not a single Russian will go for such a salary to revenge the whole day yard. ”

This is true: 12 does not work for 000. But for 24 000 - would go. However, they are not paid. And guess, Mr. Sharipov, why? Because your fellow countrymen dump and knock down prices for labor. Thus, they do more harm to Russia than good. They enrich employers and set the stage for corruption. They corrupt officials.

“We must love other nations,” calls Sharipov. - Especially neighboring. Our ancestors were together, we have the same mentality. Well, at least it looks like. "

So we agree to love. But just let these people come to us in a civilized way, according to quotas, with all the documents, work, pay taxes, and then leave home. And in no case do they try to move to Russia as a whole republic - this is not how we agreed.

Then Karomat Sharipov discovered an amazing fact: it turns out that there are too many financial barriers on the way of migrants to Russia. It seemed to us that there are too few of them, if there are so many migrants. And the requirement to take the exam in the Russian language is a scam. “A scam at the state level,” he confidently determined. - People have already paid a lot of money: the plane - 18 000 rubles, 25 000 - to the migration service, 3000 - registration, and another house to rent and eat something for a whole month, while waiting for all documents. And then they say: 5000 for the exam in Russian. Scared people, you know? Then, however, they said - 3000, somewhere - 2000 ... I think that later it will be completely removed. But why do so? "

And then, that many of your countrymen do not speak Russian at all. Verified You turn to him, and he looks back with an empty look. And how to make him learn a language, if he is so good?

According to Sharipov, everything is to blame for everything around: Russia provides too few quotas, the controlling bodies control too much. “Russia gives one and a half million quotas annually. Well, legally, these quotas were received by some people. And the rest - or pay 25 000, or be criminals without documents. It is because of this that an employer can say to a migrant: “I will not give you money.” Where does he go to complain if he has nothing? ”

And you should do it wrong, you need to apologize and repent to migrants: “When they catch a person without the necessary documents and say:“ you violated ”, you should not say that, you should say:“ you violated because of me, because I am part of which created such conditions. " Therefore, it is necessary to remove all this bureaucracy, to remove permanent payments. Borders are open. Where to people go? And the Russians need them. ”

In general, control should be abolished, quotas should be set to be dimensionless, language tests should not be passed, migrants should be met with bread and salt, music, glee and they should be given all the conditions for a comfortable life and self-realization ...
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  1. +23
    21 December 2012 17: 29
    No Russians?!? I have no words about this.
    1. mda
      mda
      +12
      21 December 2012 17: 42
      Quote: Deniska999
      No Russians?!? I have no words about this.

      And I have something to say about Sharipov. He who wants everything.
      1. +11
        21 December 2012 20: 04
        It seems that he is not far from the truth. How fast Tajiks are breeding here and how Russians are dying ... This is an argument in his favor, this is his trump card and he is in his hand.
        1. 0
          22 December 2012 07: 38
          Quote: romanru4
          It seems that he is not far from the truth. How fast Tajiks are breeding here and how Russians are dying ... This is an argument in his favor, this is his trump card and he is in his hand.

          Far and far away. All this is his "Wishlist", and the desire to see Russia, just the way he says it, and not the way it is. Such she is to him, not to his liking, immediately noticeable.
          And under certain conditions, even thanks to him, I must say. At least for the fact that he said that the others are trying to hide behind hypocritical masks. You hear, from such, sometimes laudatory praises, assurances of love and friendship, and then, KNIFE IN THE BACK. And from that it is immediately clear what to expect.
          And most importantly, in Russia, for half a year already, the decline in mortality and the birth rate, and even for Russians, are not 112 million, but 115.
        2. +4
          22 December 2012 08: 08
          romanru4 - at least there have been significantly more of them, over the past 10 years, almost all the drivers are on bus, they are also building, bases and utilities, etc. - if that is so, then in a couple of years strikes will begin in these industries and here everyone will have to tight!
    2. +45
      21 December 2012 17: 45
      Gentlemen, as we have seen recently, squeaks addressed to the Russian people are popping up more and more often, saying: "Russians are not Russians, Russians are scattered, there is no Russian nationality, this is a state of mind!"
      Maybe we will take some measures? Let's make restrictions on the entry of citizens (for example, 100 thousand and all)? We will not pursue a policy, go away?
      But for people like Karomat Sharipov, I would make a special restriction, it’s one thing to fight for the right, for example, which was not long ago and you were taken from him, and the other is to come to a neighboring country and try to get your rights! Impudence! And the meaning is not visible in such actions.
      1. Lich
        +24
        21 December 2012 18: 06
        What a desire to turn this Tajik neck for such words so as not to be different!
        1. +16
          21 December 2012 18: 47
          Quote: Lich
          What a desire to turn this Tajik neck for such words so as not to be different!

          I think it’s not long to wait ... What an Insolent however! To come to a foreign country, and even make a claim ... From the experience of communicating with them, I begin to understand that they all think so. And where are the authorities looking? this is the fifth column in its purest form!
          1. +5
            21 December 2012 19: 48
            hunting is more than captivity. But what, did you do the Internet figure? to you the Tajik plot designated, will you hold on to it ??
          2. +8
            21 December 2012 20: 06
            The woman of Tajikistan during the period of her reproductive function gives birth to 5-6 children, living in our center of Russia. How many ours gives birth during this time you all know. So he greets! He has such a trump card.
          3. +2
            22 December 2012 07: 17
            Quote: Nick
            What an Insolent however! Come to a foreign country, and even make a claim ..

            Yes, he’s a cheap provocateur, that’s all that can be said about him.
            Check the prosecutor’s office, his writings, for the presence of anti-Russian statements in them.
        2. +3
          21 December 2012 19: 47
          Well, if you so want to roll his neck - turn! Why ring about it? or are you a renter? and I think so and act a little differently .. according to work, of course, there are no discounts and will not be from Russia ... and another point: judging by the comments, people are hit by SPE .... this is not buzzing.

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      2. +14
        21 December 2012 18: 09
        lol I am a fig from this noble builder of Takzhik. Couldn't find anyone smarter for the interview? Or is he the only one able to explain in Russian from the entire diaspora?
        1. +4
          21 December 2012 20: 09
          About ten years later he will speak differently. This is now they are no longer a simple gray mass, which was at the beginning of the two thousandth ... They already give a voice. In ten years, there will be five times more of them than now and they will talk to us differently ....
      3. -7
        21 December 2012 19: 05
        Quote: piratehnik
        There is no Russian nationality, it is a state of mind!

        and you can clearly and distinctly explain WHO SUCH RUSSIAN ?!
        1. +5
          21 December 2012 22: 24
          and in vain minus

          romanru4 reduces the concept of Russian to an ethnic component, denying, denying the cultural part, which means 80 percent are no longer Russian and don’t understand who, by this definition I’m also not Russian, because both Polish and Ukrainian blood flow in me.
          Mr. romanru4 doesn’t give a damn about his soul, he doesn’t give a damn about feelings and attitude towards Russia, for me Bagration is a Russian general, but he’s not Russian by blood, but Russian by spirit and by state of Soul, but Paskuda Kovalev can at least a thousand times Russian by blood, but it certainly cannot be Russian.
          then you need to clearly and clearly determine who such Russians are.
          and from the fact that someone will put a dozen more minuses the question will not disappear and will not resolve itself
          1. +7
            22 December 2012 01: 11
            Vasilenko Vladimir. There is no need to go into a purely national component. The conversation is generally about our Russian people. And who you are - Udmurt, Chuvash, Karelian, Ukrainian or Belarusian - is not so important. Who you think you are - so be! We have one culture (in any case, not very different) and we have got one problem for ourselves - a demographic one! It is difficult to solve it. I understand it. I even understand perfectly well that it is practically impossible to solve it. As the saying goes - the locomotive has already left - they have played out in democracy, in equal rights, in universal suffrage and in many other things ... History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. No one has yet returned from a matriarchal society. The lot is known - death! It seems that history has already written out its verdict for us. But the most offensive thing is that I chose our women as the tool for this. It's a pity. It's hard to look at all this. They defeated everyone, survived everything. But the "pig in the garden" was not noticed behind the general euphoria. P-ts crept up unnoticed. Who imposed this on us knew and understood all this perfectly. There are laws of society by which it lives. In the same way as the Pythagorean theorem in geometry. There are also biological laws, laws of social development. It is a pity that this topic is rather extensive and cannot be covered here in full. I can only say and take my word for it: At any point in the world, at all times and eras, with any religion, in any society, regardless of financial situation, skin color ... etc., there has been, exists and will always exist a law development and death of society cat. can be voiced something like this: "The first thing that women do after receiving equal rights with men is to stop giving birth!" Jump out of your pants, but that's it! Of course they will give birth - for themselves ... after 30 ... one ... maybe. On this rake came the Roman Empire. It would seem that everyone should know this and draw conclusions. But no. We go our own way. Here we are. Have you decided to test the laws of biology on yourself? Well then. On the way - to the churchyard of history. If interested, I can explain everything in detail on the facts and works of scientists ... But I think that this is superfluous. Every thinking person understands and understands everything himself.
            1. -1
              22 December 2012 10: 25
              Quote: romanru4
              Vasilenko to Vladimir. Do not go into a purely national component. We are talking generally about our Russian people.

              I'm just not inclined to this, but comrade
              Quote: piratehnik
              There is no Russian nationality, it is a state of mind!
              believes that Russian is only by blood and that there is no cultural component;
            2. 0
              23 December 2012 19: 27
              I will subscribe to each of your words, I myself noticed and investigated .. We are dying out ((((((
        2. 0
          22 December 2012 07: 38
          That is, in your opinion, there is no Russian people? Or I don’t understand something.
          1. 0
            22 December 2012 10: 15
            piratexniku. Who told you no? There is so far. And there is culture .... for now.
          2. 0
            22 December 2012 10: 57
            I do not quite understand your question
            Today, unfortunately, the concept of Russian is purely individual, someone perceives Russian as a person with a certain skin color, hair, eye shape, someone puts the cultural and historical component at the forefront, but the fact remains that the concept of Russian is extremely blurry and is not defined, which in its the turn gives the right to boorish statements to Messrs. Sharipov
        3. +1
          22 December 2012 08: 25
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          and you can clearly and distinctly explain WHO SUCH RUSSIAN ?!

          Oh yeah. Clearly and distinctly, but I warn you right away, it really hurts.
          1. 0
            22 December 2012 10: 51
            give you the address?! ё
            I don’t remember you as a defender of Russianness either in Osh or in Fergana, or there wasn’t enough money for a ticket ?!
            Before you write nonsense and empty threats, you need to think. I raised the question not out of idle curiosity and not out of meekness, but judging by your not-so-smart reaction, it’s very timely
            1. 0
              22 December 2012 12: 23
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              give you the address?! ё
              I don’t remember you as a defender of Russianness either in Osh or in Fergana, or there wasn’t enough money for a ticket ?!
              Before you write nonsense and empty threats, you need to think. I raised the question not out of idle curiosity and not out of meekness, but judging by your not-so-smart reaction, it’s very timely

              Yes, I do not need these your addresses.
              And dementia, no worse than yours, can diagnose, I can,
              and meanness, from stupidity, I can distinguish.
              and you can clearly and distinctly explain WHO SUCH RUSSIAN ?!

              AND BECAUSE SUCH STATEMENT OF THE QUESTION, YES AND THIS QUESTION AS ITSELF, I CONSIDER — INTENTIONAL INSURANCE — FOR ITS PERSONALITY.
              And I consider it necessary to respond to the insult, as I wrote above.
              1. +1
                22 December 2012 12: 40
                all offended by the fact that you left the answer and hid your head in the sand, the problem did not disappear.
                and once again I didn’t see people like you insulted neither in Osh nor in Ferghana and the addresses are not mine, and where the Russians were CUT to the tacit consent of those who defend Russianness like you.
                maybe tell you how to relate to the Russian returned to Russia from the SA ?!

                There is a real problem, it has not been solved, and the fact that you are offended by turning away from it does not disappear.

                No one answered and did not give a clear definition to the question that I asked, which means that to my deepest regret, there is no answer yet, and this in turn means that the problem will be exacerbated
                1. sleepy
                  +1
                  22 December 2012 15: 19
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  "... offended everyone, from the fact that you evaded answering and hid your head in the sand, the problem has not disappeared.
                  And once again I repeat ... neither in Osh nor in Ferghana under the tacit consent of such as you defenders of Russianness.
                  And can I tell you how they treat the Russians who returned to Russia from the SA ?! "
                  .

                  Russians lose their identity for a number of reasons, hence this.
                  Unlike the gypsies, who strictly regulate this issue by their customs.
                  Poland, for example, is no longer Russian.

                  "Steel between fingers, clenched fist.
                  A blow above the hand, tormenting the flesh,
                  But instead of blood, venom froze in my veins
                  Slow poison.
                  A shattered world, shattered foreheads
                  Broken in two bread.
                  And someone is crying, and someone is silent,
                  And someone is so happy, someone is so happy ...


                  Mom (Our Lady), we are all seriously ill ...
                  Mom (Mother of God), I know we're all crazy ... "

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Ixw1fj_oE
      4. +6
        21 December 2012 19: 32
        Maybe we will take some measures? Let's make restrictions on the entry of citizens (for example, 100 thousand and all)? We will not pursue a policy, go away?

        I agree. Let's do. It was required - our consent? Well, tomorrow we’ll do it. Problem resolved

        To do this, you need to write not here "but let's ...". This is done differently, in different institutions and with the help of different words. Or put your whole life on political and social activities, get elected where you need to, and pass the necessary laws. This is if you do not take the "revolutionary-anarchist" methods.
        Moreover, reaching the upper echelons, one must turn one's face from bribes and personal gain, and be guided by the interests of the nation-people.

        How many of us here can do this? How many of those who want will? How many of those who were able and willing would not change their beliefs to more mundane ones under the influence of their position? If even one reaches the end without losing his desire along the way, we will see a miracle.
        How was "Nau" ... All who carried - no one reported. So no one brought anything. Neither harm nor good. And it’s good if that is the case, even without harm.

        And let's ... Yes, come on, no one is against it. The words.
        1. 0
          21 December 2012 20: 01
          Comrade, I agree.
        2. 0
          22 December 2012 07: 41
          Do I look like the legislature or its representative? These are assumptions. Does anyone suddenly think of this.
          In general, in my opinion, everything depends on us in our time.
      5. +12
        21 December 2012 20: 35
        "Maybe we can take some action?" (end of quote) Accept, I am already old and done my job. Children need to give birth! So they will not be on the edge! Is he stupid and doesn't see what's going on in our families? I talked to such. Here are his words - "Your women are bad, your women drink, smoke, swear. He commands a man and does not want to give birth! You are dying out and this is clearly visible from the outside. Your man is weak. He cannot cope with a woman. My grandchildren, when they grow up, will be decide how to live here. " B ... db! After all, there is almost nothing to object, except abuse!
      6. +6
        22 December 2012 01: 18
        Quote: piratehnik
        Maybe we will take some measures? Let's make restrictions on the entry of citizens (for example, 100 thousand and all)? We will not pursue a policy, go away?


        I was already tired of posturing. NO in the CONSTITUTION of the Russian Federation the concept of state-forming people!

        "
        We, multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common fate on our land ... proceeding from the generally recognized principles of equality and self-determination of peoples ... we accept the Constitution of the Russian Federation "

        This is the preamble.
        Art.3
        "
        The holder of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people"

        , that is, a people consisting of many nationalities and not Russian2 people И Russian indigenous peoples
        on its territory
        However, the wording of the Constitution of the Russian Federation provides for the concepts of "national minority", "small ethnic community".
        So, according to Art. 71 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, administered by the Russian Federation
        .c) the regulation and protection of the rights and freedoms of HUMAN AND CITIZEN; ... regulation and enforcement national minorities"

        According to Art. 72 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the joint jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and the subjects of the Russian Federation are
        b) the protection of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen; protection of rights national minorities....
        m) protection of the native habitat and traditional way of life small ethnic communities


        That is, there are NO RUSSIANS AT ALL. and indigenous peoples. the same 5 million. Tatars and a million Chechens lowered to nationalities and small ethnic communities !. But at least they are. They are legalized (albeit in a derogatory name. But there are no RUSSIANS AT ALL !!! They are outside the LAW
        Open your passport the citizens are scattered and make sure that you do not have any nationality.



        Ascetic December 14, 2012 13:10 | About record low unemployment in Russia and the unwillingness of migrant workers to take an exam on knowledge of the Russian language 16
        Under the theory of a melting pot, such a term as "Russians" was coined in due time. Say, Russia is a melting pot of nations, in which there is no dominant people, which means there is no dominant culture and spirituality. This is the blue dream of liberals, whose ultimate goal is to abolish Russia's sovereignty. Imagine what would happen if the country's population immediately increased by almost 30 million people: migrants would receive civil rights and would soon be able to participate in elections. At the same time, people who are not connected with either local culture or land will be closely tied to migrant communities, not to mention the fact that they will be tied to local ethnic clans, who will direct how to vote. Thus, Russia will become different. And the people, which, according to the Constitution, are the source of supreme power, will be represented by completely different people, not you and me. That is why it is necessary to tighten and control everything related to migration. And not in words but in deeds .. only landing and .. landing .. and again landing ..
        1. +7
          22 December 2012 01: 24
          Comment on the proposal of deputies from the Communist Party to return the column of nationality to the passport

          Baba Manya
          I am sure that it is necessary to return the "Nationality" column. Russian people should not forget who they are and whose land they live on. A Russian person should know his Russian roots and traditions. The duty of a Russian person is to love, protect and preserve their homeland. Stolypin also said that a people, having lost their national consciousness, turns into dung, on which foreign peoples parasitize, and they seem to be trying to turn us Russians into cattle without a past, future and present!


          Leader of the “For Human Rights” movement Lev Ponomarev considered the idea of ​​communists even dangerous.
          “Pedaling the national problem does not contribute to solving the problem of maintaining the integrity of the country, but only interferes”


          Now it’s clear to whom and why the national identity of the Russian people is hindering. And on whose grants are these human rights activists barking ..

          Read more: http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2012/12/21/gosudarstvennaya-duma-rf/700280-rossiyanam-

          predlozhili-rasskazat-o-svoei-natsion
        2. +1
          22 December 2012 07: 44
          Quote: Ascetic
          That is, there are NO RUSSIANS AT ALL. and indigenous peoples. the same 5 million. Tatars and a million Chechens lowered to nationalities and small ethnic communities !. But at least they are. They are legalized (albeit in a derogatory name. But there are no RUSSIANS AT ALL !!! They are outside the LAW
          Open your passport the citizens are scattered and make sure that you do not have any nationality.

          Do you consider yourself a Russian? I consider myself Russian and I did not care about all sorts of columns in the passport and entries in the constitution. If they write in the constitution that you are an American, will you believe that? No, of course! In general, the argument is meaningless.
          1. +1
            23 December 2012 20: 09
            pirate technician,
            Quote: piratehnik
            Do you consider yourself a Russian? I consider myself Russian and I did not care about all sorts of columns in the passport and entries in the constitution. If they write in the constitution that you are an American, will you believe that? No, of course! In general, the argument is meaningless.


            Not only I think, but I’m also used to living with a passport where there is a column of nationality and there’s a note in the box -
    3. +2
      21 December 2012 19: 03
      until there is a clear and distinct definition of who these RUSSIANS will be.
      1. +2
        22 December 2012 07: 48
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        until there is a clear and distinct definition of who these RUSSIANS will be.

        Tired of however such topics: who are the Russians! Russian-people, the people in the first place !!! A people who create problems for themselves by their hospitality!
        1. -1
          22 December 2012 11: 18
          these are silly general phrases that do not mean anything clearly and distinctly can you define?
          1. sleepy
            +1
            22 December 2012 12: 42
            Test for the definition of Russian.

            Show and ask what is depicted.
            1. -1
              22 December 2012 12: 46
              kindergarten, we are talking about quite serious things, and you are like a child
              1. sleepy
                +1
                22 December 2012 13: 06
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir (
                "Kindergarten, we are talking about quite serious things, and you are like a child."


                This is not about a joke, but about the ability to think at once at different levels.
                There is left-sided thinking, there is right-sided thinking.
                The ability to think in both hemispheres is transmitted genetically.
                Not everyone will answer such humorous tests - did you understand what this test is about?
                1. sleepy
                  +1
                  22 December 2012 13: 51
                  Here is a test to test the dominant hemisphere.

                  "Have you ever wondered which hemisphere is dominant in your brain?"
                  Or in other words, what is more characteristic of you - logic or intuition?
                  This, by the way, is very easy to check! "
                  http://www.metodsilva.ru/blog/%d0%bb%d0%be%d0%b3%d0%b8%d0%ba%d0%b0_%d0%b8%d0%bb%

                  d0%b8_%d0%b8%d0%bd%d1%82%d1%83%d0%b8%d1%86%d0%b8%d1%8f/

                  "If you answered 'clockwise', then your right hemisphere of the brain is dominant and you are characterized by right-sided thinking. If you answered 'counterclockwise,' then your left hemisphere of the brain is dominant and you are characterized by left-sided thinking."

                  I’ll add from myself that in this test my figure rotated in one direction for about half an hour and it was completely incomprehensible how it could rotate in the other direction. After half an hour, the figure rotated in the other direction and it was completely incomprehensible how it could rotate in another way.
                  Then the rotation was able to change a certain internal force.
                  After a couple of days, the rotation was not immediately changed, but each time it turned out better.
                  And what’s interesting is that we all tend to one or another type of thinking, but we CAN learn to switch to the other hemisphere as necessary.
                  This ability is most pronounced among Russians and it can be considered that in this way Russians are unpredictable.
                  But among the Russians there are not Russians at all, and vice versa.
                  1. sleepy
                    +1
                    22 December 2012 14: 01
                    Russians are terrible in their unpredictability.
                    There is a hypothesis that because of this ability, Russians are trying to get rid of
                    at all costs, by any means.
                2. 0
                  22 December 2012 14: 17
                  1. If you see the Star-Circle-Square-Triangle in the picture, then you are a bore, taking literally humorous tests.

                  2. If you read the word ASS in the picture, you are Captain Evidence.

                  3. If you see a dozen symbolic in this picture, then your consciousness is quite strongly mythologized.

                  4. If you counted the number 5043 - you are a rationalist-materialist who believes more in numbers than in beautiful symbols.

                  although when you consider that the test was Eysenck with an ass, the question arises
                3. +1
                  22 December 2012 14: 42
                  in addition, if not about a joke, then not "what you see in the picture", but "what word do you see in the picture"
                  1. sleepy
                    0
                    23 December 2012 00: 54
                    Not "what word do you see in the picture", namely "what do you see in the picture".
                    Each answer has a right to exist.
                    The "word" variant is not predominant.
                    PS Some may not see the picture, but the pixels on the screen,
                    which is also true.

                    And about left-, right-sided thinking, I got completely confused by reading about rotation in another place.
                    http://plis.ucoz.ru/publ/za_chto_quot_otvechajut_quot_levoe_i_pravoe_polusharie_

                    nashego_mozga / 1-1-0-7
            2. sleepy
              0
              22 December 2012 12: 58
              Russian is at the genetic level.
              Among the Russians there are their Mikhalkovs, Narusovs, who are not at all Russian, but rather the opposite.
              In the movie "Sideburns" a typical Slav asks how a Jew got in between the Russians.
              What they answer him - he speaks Russian, thinks Russian - it means Russian.
              Another test for Russianness.
              http://jokesland.net.ru/test/cccp.php
              “When we were compiling this test, we conducted a mini survey among our friends what they understand by the word“ Russianness ”.
              The answers were very different: state of mind, nationality, mentality, etc.
              There was no single answer. We, however, define this word as a characteristic of a person who was born and raised in our country, knows customs and culture.
              Today, we offer you to take a test for "Russianness". It will help determine whether you are suitable for living in our country and the level of knowledge of catch phrases and expressions. "
              1. 0
                22 December 2012 14: 23
                Quote: sleepy
                http://jokesland.net.ru/test/cccp.php

                least of all, this test is related to Russianness, Basaev could have answered it perfectly and didn’t answer at all what thread an old believer from the jungle left there with the community after the revolution, moreover, I’m sure that for example where the currant river flows, or where the Kalinov bridge connects , or why they let the animal first into the new house, 95 percent of Russians do not know, and even knowledge of Soviet films is definitely not related to Russianness
                1. sleepy
                  0
                  22 December 2012 15: 03
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  "Least of all this test has to do with Russianness ... it has nothing to do with Russianness"


                  And this is also true.
      2. +3
        23 December 2012 20: 00
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        until there is a clear and distinct definition of who these RUSSIANS will be.



        That’s why I repeat that Nutsen the law on the Russian people,
        According to the encyclopedia
        “Russians are the East Slavic people, united by a common history, culture, language and ethnic origin.”


        Russians are the only ones who determine their nationality precisely by nation, but not by country of residence, region, etc. Russians are everywhere Russians, while many nations are internally divided into "subspecies" (eg Germans / Prussians, Italians / Sicilians).
        You can remain Russian as a German, and an American, and even an African. Because “Russian” is an adjective (like the word “good”
        The adjective always goes in conjunction with a noun. Therefore, there is a Russian pagan, Russian Orthodox, Russian worker, Russian programmer, Russian artist, Russian traveler, Russian German, Russian American ...
        The fact that I am Russian does not mean that I am somehow better or worse than representatives of other nationalities.
        All disputes about national identity are actually a veiled strategy. "divide and rule".
        The nation-states invented the elites with the aim of unhindered exploitation of the population living in it. It was they who arranged wars to protect their interests. Elites fought, and people died!
        A Russian is one who has Russian citizenship. AND “Russian” is one who identifies himself with Russian culture and lives according to the traditions of Russian culture.
        If the western man in the street seeks personal happiness, then the Russian seeks universal happiness.
        Western people "each for himself." And in Russia, we have long understood that SAVING CAN ONLY TOGETHER! - this is the essence of the “Russian Idea”.

        And as for the passport, it’s in vain ..
        Quote: piratehnik
        I consider myself Russian and I wanted to spit on all sorts of columns in the passport and entries in the constitution

        Spat already following the lead of "Western people" After the column "nationality" disappeared in the passport, the question arose of how to determine one's nationality. After all, anything was indicated during the census. For example, that mom is Russian, and dad is ... a lawyer.
        Now there is no column of nationality in the passport, and only citizenship is indicated. So now I am You are not Russian, but Russian that is, you live in Russia. The same Russian as the Tajik who promise Russian citizenship. And then the Tajik speaks correctly, forget the word Russian.It is neither in the Constitution, nor in the passport, nor in the Laws, so you are no Russian citizen who simply lives in Russia .. As long as he lives .. since he does not care about the passport and the Basic Law of the country in which he lives. So who will read this? If we all get a damn about it ..

        Marina Tsvetaeva wrote
        "The homeland is not a convention of territory, but the immutability of memory and blood."
        ... But the very concept of memory and blood is precisely contained in the concept RUSSIAN and not Russian, which is NOT ANCHORED BY ANYONE, and therefore does not exist, because if this continues, our PEOPLE without memory of blood and faith will turn into tolerant common people of Russians. You can go out to the square and even shout "I am Russian!" any representative of the law will approach you, Excuse me, citizen, there is no such concept in the Law, you are just a RUSSIAN. Open your passport and admire,
    4. +4
      21 December 2012 20: 28
      Counts of nationality were removed in the birth certificate in Russia.
      Civil registry office officers indicate to the applicants that they do not correctly fill out the lines in the applications - arbitrarily entering their nationality and child. State-forming nationality and not nationality! crying
      Can reduce ethnic groups to: Slavs, Turks, Finno-Ugrians, etc. ....? feel
    5. NKVD
      +1
      22 December 2012 08: 31
      Quote: Deniska999
      No Russians?!? I have no words about this

      And I have Blacks, maybe we need them, but let the authorities treat them like in Saudi Arabia, there the Gaster live on the reservation they let out only for work ...
  2. Lech e-mine
    +15
    21 December 2012 17: 31
    THIS FREAK is probably another LIBERAST citizen of the world who does not remember his MOTHERLAND.
  3. biglow
    +12
    21 December 2012 17: 37
    All these Tajiks and other simple things do not understand that the surplus product of their labor remains here in Russia, and emaciated people leave home, new consonants come to their place to work as slaves, and nothing will change in this situation
    . Nobody needs expensive labor. And if a crisis happens in Russia, he will affect these Tajiks in the first place. And their country will fall to an even greater bottom.
    And everything else is the chatter or the PR itself of one cunning Tajik living at the expense of other Tajiks
    1. +11
      22 December 2012 00: 50
      Who leaves here exhausted? Open your eyes and look at Russia - they do not come to work for our happiness, they come to stay. By any means, enduring humiliation and everything else, they remain in Russia by hook or by crook, collecting bribes for our rotten officials by all aul (or kishlak, whatever they have ...), just to gain a foothold. And as soon as one clung to his teeth, nails, or whatever - that's all - the tap opened, all relatives, all relatives and friends rush to us to multiply and multiply. Go to schools - there are brunettes - half the class "do not panimai", but they have to be taught, monkeys teachers do not think of a person, they are rude, but try not to accept - infringement of human rights.
      Recently, a fact slipped in the comments: some national leader came to Russia, plowed out as a janitor at the prosecutor’s office for three years, obtained citizenship and got a job as a local policeman, his assistant from his village (village, village ...) gained experience.
      The lower level of power has almost been seized - all information about illegal immigrants in the territory goes through the district police officer (come - I don't want to), the immigrants have paradise on that site, no documents are needed - the authorities, according to the reports of their "representative" migrants, much less work permits.

      And also such an option - women in labor from Central Asia - to come to Russia as a deadline, where compassionate people will not be kicked out and leave to give birth, despite the fact that a citizen of another state gives birth and is treated with Russian money (Chuvashs, Mordovians, Tatars, Karelians, Komi and others ...) and we howl from the lack of attention of doctors and lack of funding

      The way out of this situation is to deprive citizenship of all who received it and not to allow it on state. the positions of Russian citizens in the first generation. (so, thoughts into the air, and not specific, but the general meaning is clear)
      1. 0
        22 December 2012 01: 35
        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++! !!
      2. +1
        22 December 2012 01: 39
        SCOOP to you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ !!!
      3. sleepy
        +2
        22 December 2012 05: 07
        Poltavchenko about migrants:
        They will want to live here, work, give birth to children ...

        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/902982-1/#t1351068466

        THINKING OF THE CENTRAL ASIAN.
        http://14-sonde.livejournal.com/30681.html
      4. biglow
        0
        22 December 2012 13: 35
        COBOK,
        Not everyone remains., Only not a big part. Life and work in difficult conditions do not contribute to longevity. Traders can and prosper, and those who plow for 12 hours at construction sites, all they want to do is go home.
        1. +1
          22 December 2012 21: 51
          Does Ukraine know better? Maybe those who come to work for you and go home tired, because they really work, they have somewhere to return. Ukrainians come to earn money in order to live at home, and these can sacrifice a couple of fellow tribesmen so that the crowd can get over. One or five will die at construction sites, but others will crawl over their "corpses" and others will trade, and then on the rise ...
  4. +10
    21 December 2012 17: 38
    Mr. Sharipov obviously visited Bolotnaya, otherwise where did he get such "knowledge" about the way of life of Russians, all the more so, according to his deep conviction, there are none in Russia. A sign of a smell, a very familiar one ... What according to the article is a plus unambiguously makes it clear from which minaret Asia looks at us in the face of their migrants ..
  5. Adrenalin
    +7
    21 December 2012 17: 39
    Russians work throughout the country, some for 30, some for 000, and some for 6. Those who come to our country must speak Russian - the state language of the country. You are our guests, welcome, be at home, but do not forget that at a party.
  6. +19
    21 December 2012 17: 44
    "... because the Russians are mostly rentiers:" The Russians are all sitting at home. And those who have money do not even live in Russia. And many have two or three apartments and live on money from rent. "
    Do not confuse Moscow and the rest of Russia. And if you don’t get out of Moscow, then it’s better to shut up - you’ll be a smart guy ...
    1. +6
      21 December 2012 18: 13
      Quote: mealnik2005
      Do not confuse Moscow and the rest of Russia. And if you don’t get out of Moscow, then it’s better to shut up - you’ll be a smart guy ...

      And what about Moscow? I remember the times when only locals worked as janitors. Salaries were also small, but there was an incentive-service apartment. There was no mechanized cleaning then, but they cleaned much cleaner and more conscientiously. And now, a Tajik, until 9 am (during a snowfall) a tractor is waiting, only then it starts to clean, and the snow is already rolled and uttaned, i.e. ice crust. A limit existed for construction workers and factory workers. And now these Ravshans and Dzhumshuts are being dragged here, there is more harm from them than good. Just to not pay and steal it was more convenient. It all started under Luzhkov.
  7. Shuhrat turani
    -8
    21 December 2012 17: 47
    It’s true: for 12 it won’t work. But for 000 - I would go. However, they are not paid. And guess, Mr. Sharipov, why? Because your fellow countrymen are dumping and knocking down labor costs.

    If all Russians make a minimum wage of 24000, can you imagine how much prices will jump on the first day after the increase? Remember. always on the eve of raising pensions and salaries to state employees, prices for housing and communal services and consumer goods always rise steadily ... This is a feature of the Russian economy, no matter how much money a worker gets, he will still be poor ...
    To reduce the flow of migrants, it is necessary to devalue the ruble, so it would not be profitable to go here, in addition, products manufactured in Russia will become cheaper and more competitive in foreign markets. But for this, you must first get off the raw material needle, diversify the economy ...
    1. Igor
      +5
      21 December 2012 17: 51
      Quote: Shuhrat Turani
      If all Russians make a minimum wage of 24000, can you imagine how much prices will jump on the first day after the increase? Remember. always on the eve of raising pensions and salaries to state employees, prices for housing and communal services and consumer goods always rise steadily ...


      They are growing for no reason.

      Quote: Shuhrat Turani
      To reduce the flow of migrants it is necessary to devalue the ruble


      To 90% of people slipped into the category of very poor)))
      1. +5
        21 December 2012 19: 02
        Quote: Igorek
        To 90% of people slipped into the category of very poor)))

        No, that we would level off with visiting Tajiks and other Asians from the former, they are insulted, but we must be tolerant. wassat
    2. +2
      21 December 2012 19: 11
      Quote: Shuhrat Turani
      To reduce the flow of migrants it is necessary to devalue the ruble

      you will never stop the flow of migrants from CA.
      you know that the same Uzbeks work in the summer of southern Kazakhstan JUST FOR FOOD.
      until the industry is restored in the SA, it’s possible to get out of the shit and nothing will change, the Union built a huge number of light industry enterprises there in order to occupy the local CX was unlike today's.
      Here you either need to tightly close the border, but this means a full tryndets relations and the Russian population who still lives in the SA, or do something with the source of the problem
      1. +1
        21 December 2012 19: 37
        And who will restore it ??? And the main one who will work there ... just don’t say that these are the same as them .... with conscious national self-awareness.
        1. 0
          21 December 2012 20: 10
          Quote: Strashila
          And the main one who will work there ...

          and who worked there under the Union ?! LOCAL FEMALE POPULATION
          if you have water flowing from the ceiling, the substituted basin will not solve the problem, you need to block the roof
          1. +5
            21 December 2012 22: 12
            and who worked there under the Union ?!

            It seems the same Russians worked. When in the 90s the natives grabbed the knives against the occupiers, as well as the sledgehammers against the occupation factories and factories, the Russians went on the run. Workers from some machine-building enterprise came to my town. Ticked the whole plant. Well done that realized to grab your plant. We found abandoned squares here and opened a bus repair shop.
            specially did not put quotes.
            1. sleepy
              +4
              22 December 2012 05: 18
              Russian speakers have remained in Tajikistan.
              All Russians were kicked out. Details in the White Paper.

              https://radosvet.net/4331-genocid-russkix-belaya-kniga-pamyati.html
              1. -1
                22 December 2012 12: 25
                firstly, Tajikistan is far from the whole CA, and besides, far from all have left
            2. 0
              22 December 2012 12: 23
              Quote: A. Yaga
              It seems the same Russians worked

              Have you been to the CA?
              Besides Mashstroy from light industry can you distinguish?
              1. +1
                22 December 2012 19: 55
                Have you been to the CA?

                No
                Besides Mashstroy from light industry can you distinguish?

                Easy. Only the anti-Occupant sledgehammer was hardly distinguished.
                1. -2
                  22 December 2012 21: 48
                  Quote: A. Yaga
                  No

                  then why talk about what you don’t know
                  Quote: A. Yaga
                  Only the anti-Occupant sledgehammer was hardly distinguished.

                  actually the conversation was about jobs
            3. Marek Rozny
              -1
              22 December 2012 22: 24
              This is how they ticked, that in a hurry they took the whole plant? 0_o
              1. sleepy
                +1
                23 December 2012 00: 27
                Quote: Marek Rozny
                "Is it the same as they ticked, that in a hurry they took the whole plant? 0_o"
                .

                In Soviet times, there were plans for evacuation in case of war.
                He worked at an aircraft instrument factory and knew
                where is the bomb shelter on the territory, and where are they evacuating with family.
                In principle, he knew where they could give out weapons in case saboteurs entered.
                And now, if anything, it is not clear where to run and where are suitable shelters?
                Save yourself according to the principle "every man for himself?"

                Quote: A. Yaga
                “Workers of some machine-building enterprise came to my town.
                Ticked the whole plant. Well done that realized to grab your plant.
                Found abandoned squares here and opened a bus repair shop. "

                Apparently - "a workshop was opened" - during the implementation of the evacuation plan,
                not a lot of equipment, but enough to open a repair workshop.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  0
                  23 December 2012 12: 57
                  evacuation in one’s country is one thing, and another is from a country that we are painted here. supposedly, all Tajiks with knives run after the Russians, and these Russians calmly dismantle the equipment and just as calmly take it out. probably they didn’t take it out of their pocket and not in the trunk of a passenger car?
                  It seems to me that someone here has spoken. Could they take the plant out of the Urals already occupied by the Germans of Odessa? Or stumbled on the very first patrol (police on the railway, etc.)?
                  apparently not such a dramatic situation arose that they gave people the freedom to leave the whole factory, taking all kinds of equipment with them. the network still hangs the memoirs of a Russian chatterbox pilot who hangs noodles, as he allegedly stole strategic Kazakh bombers from Kazakhstan from under the nose of Kazakhs in the 90s. It impresses those people who do not whack in the subject.
                  My classmate from Almaty, having moved to Stavropol, also wrote an essay about the mythical "national pogroms in Alma-Ata, when the Kazakhs slaughtered the Russians", and all in order to get the opportunity to get hold of a free apartment, tk. according to the old legislation of the Russian Federation, refugees (and the so-called "forced migrants") were supposed to be given equivalent housing, which they had lost in their previous homeland. Oh, then instantly how many Russians declared themselves "refugees" who, fleeing from the massacre, barely had time to take a piano with them ... The most necessary thing when you "scramble" ...
                  1. 0
                    23 December 2012 14: 03
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    the imars of a Russian chatterbox pilot who hangs noodles, as he allegedly stole strategic Kazakh bombers from Kazakhstan from under the nose of Kazakhs in the 90s. It impresses those people who do not whack in the subject.

                    Well, apparently you’re not the topic, the situation is real, talked with eyewitnesses of those events and eyewitnesses from the Kazakh side
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    about the mythical "national pogroms in Alma-Ata, when the Kazakhs slaughtered the Russians", and all in order to get the opportunity to get hold of a free apartment

                    Well, I won’t say anything about the pogroms, but to sell a privatized apartment at 90, if I wanted to leave, there really were problems
                    1. sleepy
                      0
                      24 December 2012 01: 45
                      Quote: Marek Rozny
                      "It is one thing to evacuate in your own country, and another thing from the country that they paint for us here.
                      Like, all Tajiks with knives run after the Russians, and these Russians quietly dismantle the equipment and just as calmly take it out.
                      Probably not in the pocket, and not in the trunk of a passenger car, were they taken out?
                      It seems to me that someone here has spoken. Could they take the plant out of the Urals already occupied by the Germans of Odessa? Or stumbled on the very first patrol (police on the railway, etc.)?
                      Apparently a not-so-dramatic situation arose that allowed people to freely leave the whole factory,
                      bringing along all the equipment. "


                      Situations when Tajiks came to the Russians at their place of residence with weapons in their hands were posted on the Internet.
                      The most comprehensive review in the White Paper
                      https://radosvet.net/4331-genocid-russkix-belaya-kniga-pamyati.html

                      Not being an eyewitness to the evacuation, I can assume what happened,
                      based on the plans for the evacuation of the enterprise in which he worked in the USSR.
                      It is unlikely that they were evacuated by rail, since it takes time to order the train
                      with freight and passenger cars and many approvals.
                      In addition, it is very simple to slow down the train on the first stage.
                      In wartime, a military commandant was to solve such issues.
                      If the enterprise was engineering, then surely a fleet with trucks.
                      The company’s team organizedly loaded universal machines (turning, milling, grinding, boring ...), tools, equipment and small-sized trucks.
                      Leaving bulky and specialized equipment.
                      Therefore, in a new place, the repair workshop was enough, but they didn’t pull on more.
                      Families with belongings on buses, the rest in cars and convoy towards Russia.
                      The Germans might have stopped the aircraft and tanks, and all kinds of patrols did not dare to contact
                      organized the column.
                      Perhaps the workers had some kind of weapon, after all, the cocktail recipe is no secret.

                      "The network still hangs the memoirs of one Russian pilot-talker who hangs noodles,
                      how he allegedly stole sleeping Kazakhs from under the nose of strategic bombers from Kazakhstan in the 90s.
                      This is impressive for those people who are not whipped in the subject. "


                      If not difficult, you can link to these still hanging memoirs, as interested.
                      1. sleepy
                        -2
                        24 December 2012 01: 48
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        "My classmate from Almaty, having moved to Stavropol, also wrote an essay about the mythical" national pogroms in Alma-Ata, when the Kazakhs slaughtered Russians " Refugees (and the so-called "forced migrants"), in theory, were to be given an equivalent housing, which they had lost in their previous homeland.
                        Oh, then instantly how many Russians declared themselves "refugees" who fleeing the massacre,
                        barely had time to take a piano with them ... The most necessary thing when you "skip" ...


                        In the White Paper, the link to which was given above, no pogroms were mentioned in Kazakhstan, only the policy of squeezing out Russians and not only Russians.
                        At my work, two from Kazakhstan. A couple of times I wanted to find out from them, as among the eyewitnesses of the past events,
                        but for all the questions one offers to go to Kazakhstan himself, the other simply sends.
                        Apparently this topic is painful for them.
                        The same White Book describes the ordeal of refugees.

                        “An exact description of the suffering of Russian refugees was expressed by the remark of a Russian woman.
                        She is just one of those who stayed to live “there”, and came to Kaluga to find out: what, how much - “here”?
                        After she visited Novosel, she got acquainted with the miserable life of refugees,
                        she said through tears: “Let the dushmans slaughter me better in the new apartment in Dushanbe,
                        than I will suffer, as you ... ".
                        “One gets the impression that here, in Russia, nobody needs us.
                        We are strangers Russians, "Nina Yerchikova, a refugee from Tajikistan, tells me."
                        (Igor Rotar. “Aliens of Russians”).

                        But visitors like to appropriate refugee status in order to receive social benefits and free medical care.
                        "Against the background of such an attitude towards Russian immigrants, the Russian government opens the doors to the country for migrants from the very republics from which our compatriots were expelled."
                        https://radosvet.net/4331-genocid-russkix-belaya-kniga-pamyati.html
                      2. Marek Rozny
                        -1
                        24 December 2012 03: 02
                        Sleepy
                        who was squeezed out of Kazakhstan? and how? didn’t like that the Kazakh language became the state language? that the Kazakhs decided to speak their own language? Or did they think that if their enterprise stopped (and in those years all factories practically "died") and they were fired on leave without maintenance, then they were discriminated against on the national basis? Good riddance. It was bad in the 90s for all Kazakhstanis who were not at the trough. but now these "refugees" are back at the embassies of Kazakhstan in order to obtain a residence permit. in Astana, where I now live, there are employees everywhere with a "pink" identity card (residence permit) - our former ones who left once and now have returned. formally they are citizens of Russia, but in fact they are "oralmans" (returnees).
                        here on the forum a bunch of Russian Kazakhs. everyone constantly writes that they did not feel and do not feel any oppression. and there is a bunch of our former people who left Kazakhstan, having sprinkled everyone with saliva, "I'll go to Russia and you will crawl to me on your knees." in principle, they still write it here on the forum. They have been masturbating with these words for 20 years. Would you drive these "offended" from Russia. Even now, someone constantly "interferes" with their lives. Now the truth is no longer Kazakhs, but Jews, Putin, Dulles and a local janitor. You must blame someone for your failures. But the overwhelming majority of Russians who stayed in Kazakhstan, as it is not strange for them, are quite optimistic about their lives, they have work, they have friends, they have faith in the future, no one forces them to be a Kazakh Kazakh, there is a sense of security - that still need a man? In short, as soon as the bawkers and hopeless whiners left, the problem of "discrimination against someone by someone" disappeared in Kazakhstan. Instantly. The remaining millions of Russians, Ukrainians, Koreans, Tatars, Uzbeks and, naturally, Kazakhs just rolled up their sleeves and continued to work for their own good and the country.
                        A separate song is the Germans. Well, beggarly Kazakhstan in the 90s could not offer them anything, while Germany generously forked out for their adaptation on the feltland. Well, most of the Germans left Russia too. Russian oppressed? Of course not.

                        Well, returning to Tajikistan, I recall that in those years in Tajikistan there was a general war. It wasn’t up to nationality; there, in general, everyone was wetting each other, Vovchiki, Yurchiks and just criminal foam. Even if you were a Tajik, this did not mean that no one would touch you.
                        You might think that in Russia during the Civil War, white or red preliminarily clarified who got in their way - Russian or non-Russian, who was in the drum of these Russian showdowns:
                        - Excuse me, are you by any chance not Russian?
                        - No, I'm a Tatar.
                        “Ahhh, then of course go through.” We are looking for our Russian political opponents here. And we do not dare to detain you, dear. Go yourself in peace ...
                      3. +1
                        24 December 2012 10: 14
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        here on the forum a bunch of Russian Kazakhstanis. all constantly write that they did not feel and do not feel any oppression.

                        quotes to the studio
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        In short, as soon as the bawkers and hopeless whiners left, the problem of "discrimination against someone by someone" disappeared in Kazakhstan. Instantly. The remaining millions of Russians, Ukrainians, Koreans, Tatars, Uzbeks and, naturally, Kazakhs just rolled up their sleeves and continued to work for their own good and the country.

                        there is extrusion, though even if you say nazik personally, you don’t agree, the facts that people bring to you you call a lie and people shovikov
                      4. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        24 December 2012 12: 08
                        Vladimir, pay attention to what the forum users say with Russian names and Kazakh flags next to the name. Well, or yourself point-blank ask here how you will see a Kazakhstani. Ask him that he still has not escaped from the Kazakh nationalist ousters.

                        2) "squeezing is" .... pffff, give examples of how to squeeze out. interesting to listen to.
                      5. +1
                        24 December 2012 12: 22
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Ask him that he still has not escaped from the Kazakh nationalist ousters.

                        you have nicely gone away from answering the subject of quotes, but about who and why didn’t leave, firstly, it’s not to move to the next street and not everyone can afford it financially, and secondly ... read the resettlement forums, you will find out a lot of interesting things
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        "extrusion is" .... pffff,

                        don’t give a damn, I gave a lot of examples from my life, but you just don’t believe them, and if I give the same examples of my friends, I’ll just say that I’m lying. In any case, if the state authorities allow the Russian citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan to say they don’t like Vali to Russia, or they didn’t call you here, then as they say, I can’t even speak about state posts with specific priests
                      6. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        24 December 2012 17: 05
                        1) Where have I gone? Should I raise comment archives and look for all these mentions? Dismiss Therefore, I suggested that you yourself ask the many Kazakhstani forum users. To get the information firsthand, and not through an intermediary or in some context that can distort the answer.
                        2) In Kazakhstan, a normal standard of living, theoretically, any Kazakhstani can afford to move to Russia, given that Russia is still ready to compensate for the losses associated with the move. Or, according to your logic, poor Tajiks from their distant country can afford to move to Russia, while wealthy Russians from neighboring Kazakhstan are allegedly unable to pay for the road? You are wrong. Those who wanted to move to their historical homeland have moved. There is a small part of people who always sit on suitcases, but such a layer is everywhere, incl. and in Russia itself. For the second decade, these people have been talking aloud to leave, not to leave, and their children have already graduated from institutes, got married and have already presented their grandchildren to the "alarmists".
                        3) about the fact that if someone doesn’t like living in Kazakhstan, they will tell him: “If you don’t like it, get out of here,” so this is what Kazakhs can say to Kazakhs. Really what for to whine and insult Kazakhstan? Take your suitcase, go wherever you want, we have a free country. On Russian forums, too, Russian people say to Russian Westerners "get out of Russia to your own ___ West". Or the Westerners themselves can easily say "we must get out of here!" Or is there no such thing in Russia? How many millions have left Russia over the past 20 years? People also left, offended by the authorities, neighbors, "Jews", "commies", "corrupt dermokrats" and from other strata of the population that allegedly infringed upon him. How many Germans have left Russia? How many real refugees left Russia? The migration issue in Russia is much more acute than in Kazakhstan (where the population is growing both due to the birth rate and due to the positive balance of migration).
                        There are much more Russians leaving Russia than Russians from Kazakhstan (we do not even take into account the number of "returnees" with a residence permit). Concerned about the fate of Russians in Kazakhstan? Come and see with your own eyes. This will be the most correct move on your part.

                        Regarding government posts. Sorry, but a civil servant should as a professional understand both languages ​​- Kazakh and Russian. Most Russians cannot even make sentences in the Kazakh language, and they still do not understand why they need this language. And how will these people be able to provide full-fledged work with Kazakh-speaking citizens of the country if they can’t understand a sorcerer?
                        You try to get a job in an international organization in Russia without knowing English. You will face the same linguistic "discrimination". And that's okay. At the same time, for all that, there are enough Russians in the civil service, especially at a high level - governors, ministers, deputy ministers, deputies, heads of committees and departments. Only those who, apart from the name of Nazarbayev, know no one, can declare that there are no Russians in the Kazakh government.
                      7. +1
                        24 December 2012 18: 02
                        Marek rozny,
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Where have I gone?
                        sorry for being rude, but no need to fool around
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        To get info firsthand

                        will calculate that 3a the last 3 years something has changed dramatically in the RK ?!
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Kazakhstan has a normal standard of living, theoretically, any Kazakhstani can afford to move to Russia, given that Russia is still ready to compensate for the losses associated with moving

                        the salary of a trauma surgeon in 4 mountains, the hospital in Almaty in 6 year (pay attention to the crisis) 15 thousand tons
                        the salary of a nurse in 12 mountains is about 6, the salary of a doctor at the oncology institute is ~ 30000, taking into account scientific degrees.
                        no later than this spring the family settled from Isyk not far from us only because their brother lived here and had their own business from selling a house to buy a new one and there wasn’t enough relocation (and only half a year later they will receive it about compensation) who gets to the state program and this is far from sun)
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        “If you don’t like it, get out of here,” as Kazakhs can say to Kazakhs. Really what for to whine and insult Kazakhstan?

                        and where did you get that it was said in response to an insult to the country? !!!
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Regarding government posts. Sorry, but a civil servant should understand both languages ​​- Kazakh and Russian as a professional

                        Sorry, but in your place, I would first study the law on the languages ​​of the Republic of Kazakhstan
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                        Only those who cannot know anyone except Nazarbayev’s name can declare that there are no Russians in the Kazakh government.

                        dear to you, even if the Lord personally says from heaven you will argue all one
                      8. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        25 December 2012 17: 57
                        1) Who is the fool of us? I say "talk to Russian Kazakhs from the forum", and you keep asking me to find quotes in Topvar's archives. If you want to know firsthand - ask Vasya Ivanov from Kazakhstan. By my words, you will not believe by default, since I am not Russian. Which one of us is kidding? Ask Russian Kazakhs about "genocide and oppression". Why should I be an intermediate link in your "scientific" work, if you believe me, you refuse a priori.
                        2) Salaries of doctors in KZ. I don’t know where you inflated such numbers from, and even thickening the colors "this is before the crisis, ahhh!", But $ 100 is a basic (!) Medical salary, not a salary. I hope you know the difference between these concepts? And the crisis did not affect the salaries of public sector employees in any way, if you are thickly hinting at their decline.
                        Here are the numbers on the salaries of doctors in Kazakhstan - http://mojazarplata.kz/main/kz-news/vrachi-v-kazahstane-vdvoe-bogache-kolleg-iz-


                        belarusi
                        200 bucks is the salary of a novice doctor in an ambulance, not a doctor at an oncoinstitute and not a trauma surgeon. You lie so that you take the lieutenant's salary and, attributing it to the colonel, say that the colonels are swelling with hunger.
                        Yes, the fact is that doctors have low salaries, but they promise to significantly raise them in the coming years, and the authorities in the KZ keep their promises. I myself am a former state employee, I worked in the civil service, I started from $ 50 once, when I quit 6 years ago, the salary was already about a thousand dollars (with premium, spa, seniority, category and other allowances), while the basic salary was somewhere around 200 dollars, if not mistaken.
                        By the way, about the "poor thing from Issyk", ask in the internet how much land and real estate cost in the Almaty region. It is unlikely that your friends sold a house with land for a penny. The land in KZ is expensive. Especially near Almaty. You don’t fill me in fairy tales about "a house sold for a pittance." This is not 1995. Here, look at the prices in Issyk (already dropped) - http://krn.kz/Esik/cena And a few years ago the prices were twice as high. Of course, the prices are not Moscow, and not even Almaty, but it should be borne in mind that Issyk is almost a village without any exaggeration.
                      9. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        25 December 2012 17: 57
                        3) Regarding the language. I know the laws of the Republic of Kazakhstan by heart, without a strict computer exam you can’t get into the civil service, in addition, certification takes place every three years - in fact, you pass all the exams again. Therefore, you can not fidget about my knowledge of Kazakhstani legislation.
                        Do not confuse the law on languages ​​and professional requirements for a specific position. Will a person who does not speak Russian be hired for a government job in Russia? Or will you refer to "human rights"? What for is a "servant of the people" who doesn’t know what an old grandmother wants from him or what is written in the order of the chief? There is a concept - the state language. Internal office work in the civil service is in two languages, and one document can be written in Kazakh, the other in Russian. And the official must understand what is written in the paper. It's corny. Will they hire me as a surgeon in Russia on the basis of "human rights", given that I do not understand shit in medicine? Or will they still present professional requirements? So I will tell you in your own words - "do not play the fool".
                        Z.Y. Why do I need a god for questions and answers on Kazakhstan topics, if I already live in Kazakhstan, and I know the situation with my own eyes, unlike you? And you, of course, do not know the names of Russian officials in the KZ. However, you also do not know the Kazakh names of officials, as I understood from your meager idea of ​​KZ. It’s easier for you to suffer garbage, trying to seem smart in front of some Kazakh there, than stupidly google the Russian names of civil servants of the highest rank. Or, as they say, you were banned in Google?
                        З.З.Ы. Are you the interjection "you" persistently write with a small letter, showing your contempt or illiteracy?
                      10. +1
                        25 December 2012 22: 28
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Therefore, you can not fidget about my knowledge of Kazakhstani legislation.

                        if you know why you are lying? !!
                        there is a list of professions where knowledge of the language is required (what does the law on the language do not have, it is clearly stated that Russian acts on a par with Kazakh, which by the way is regularly violated)
                        civil service is not necessarily an official communicating with old women from villages, these are programmers in the relevant departments and firefighters, so juggle the facts
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        http://krn.kz/Esik/cena

                        leave nonsense about average real estate prices for old women from auls, they’ll probably believe
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        belarusi
                        200 bucks is the salary of a novice doctor in an ambulance, not a doctor at an oncoinstitute and not a trauma surgeon. You lie so that you take the lieutenant's salary and, attributing it to the colonel, say that the colonels are swelling with hunger.

                        why am I lying and not you ?! for the sake of interest, I looked in the net for numbers: In Almaty, the salary of an ambulance doctor is from 27 to 32 thousand (200 killed raccoons) tenge Almaty. November 26. Kazakhstan Today - In Almaty, the salary of an ambulance doctor ranges from 27 to 32 thousand tenge. Valentina Kulmukhametova, deputy chief physician of the Almaty ambulance station, said this in an interview with the Karavan newspaper, the agency reports.
                        http://www.zakon.kz/191508-v-almaty-zarplata-vracha-skorojj.html
                        How does it feel to be a doctor in Kazakhstan?
                        The interlocutor of power in the state polyclinic of Almaty, who did not want to disclose his name, assures that the official "statistics are lying." He says that in their clinic there are doctors of the highest category who receive a salary of no more than 60 thousand tenge per month, and he, as a medical worker, earns 33 thousand per month.
                        http://www.vlast.kz/?art=700
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Why do I need a god for questions and answers on Kazakhstan topics, if I already live in Kazakhstan, and I know the situation with my own eyes, unlike you? And you, of course, do not know the names of Russian officials in the KZ. However, the Kazakh names of officials, as I understand from your meager idea of ​​KZ

                        dear, you will treat those who know about the RK from the news program, I lived 38 years in Kazakhstan and left it on March 8, 9 years, so I don’t need to know about the scarcity of knowledge
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        You are the interjection "you"
                        no not charity but t not illiteracy

                        SO DO NOT REALLY FOOT
                      11. 0
                        25 December 2012 22: 44
                        although with the genes of political instructors and the experience of the head of the press services you are not used to
                      12. Marek Rozny
                        +3
                        26 December 2012 23: 00
                        Yes, my father was once the political officer of the Soviet army. He has several dozen awards from the USSR, Russia and Kazakhstan, not counting letters of thanks from ministers. Three awards for the Caucasus. One of them was presented by the Minister of Internal Affairs of Russia personally when he was on a visit to Kazakhstan. My father was a zakombat of the Orenburg OMON, their battalion did not lose a single fighter in the Caucasus. My father was proud of his fighters. There were cases when he personally went to the nearest Chechen aul, went to the house of local aksakals and demanded that the captured soldiers of his battalion be returned. At the same time, he reminded the Vainakhs that the Chechens needed a few more lives to return what the Kazakhs did to them in 1944, when the Chechens were thrown by the NKVD into the Kazakh steppe from their carriages to perish. And the elders returned the soldiers unharmed. Zampolit. Political instructor. Commissioner. Over twenty-five years of impeccable service. Colonel. He brought up the fighters as patriots of his country. More than 800 people from Russia and Kazakhstan attended his funeral two years ago, including three security ministers. His younger brother (my uncle) is a simple policeman from the Orenburg region. He was awarded the Order of Courage and ten medals. He has three gunshot wounds and several stab wounds. Now he is discharged for disability. Their father, my grandfather, went through the entire war, starting in 1941 and ending with a Japanese campaign in 1945 as a simple infantryman. On my mother's side, my grandfather also fought from 41 to 45 years old, was nominated for the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, his name is in the Museum of the Defense of Leningrad. I have great genes and I am proud of it. The name of my family is translated into Russian as "guardsman", since my ancestors from the time of Genghis Khan were the personal guard of the Chingizids. The total number of awards in our family is over a hundred, starting with my great-grandfather, whose royal awards are kept in the museum of the city of Taraz (Dzhambul) and ending with my awards from the country's leadership. You will get tired of pinning me up with my origin. I have known the names of my ancestors for several centuries, and the history of the clan for almost a thousand years. And I will kill my son - if he allows himself to disgrace his family and his fatherland. So what did you want to say about genes?
                      13. sleepy
                        0
                        27 December 2012 03: 59
                        I apologize for interfering in your dialogue.
                        I'm interested in
                        "Chechens need a few more lives to return what the Kazakhs did to them in 1944,
                        when the Chechens were thrown by the NKVD-shniki into the Kazakh steppe from their cars to perish "
                        ,
                        because he somehow participated on the St. Petersburg site in the discussion of "Operation" Lentils ".
                        Nothing was said about the role of the Kazakhs, but still this is a story.
                      14. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        27 December 2012 13: 02
                        Sleepy
                        I meant the fact known to the Kazakhs and Chechens that the Kazakhs massively sheltered the expelled Chechens in their homes and did not allow them to die. They arrived even without food. Dudayev grew up in childhood in the Pavlodar region, Maskhadov was born in the Karaganda region, Zakayev was born near Taldy-Kurgan, Zelimkhan Yandarbiev was born in the East Kazakhstan region, etc. The entire older generation of Nokhchi was born and raised in Kazakh villages. I about it. My relatives from the side of my father lived several adopted Chechen orphans. And now, in the KZ, a very large diaspora of Czechs lives, money was allocated from the budget of Kazakhstan to restore Grozny, the Kazakhs all the time sent humanitarian aid to Chechnya, etc. Chechens are usually grateful to the Kazakhs, although young people - they are also young people in Africa - can easily fight Czechs with Kazakhs. In our KZ, the Chechens behave in a cultural and friendly manner, and in Russia, the Kazakhs constantly arrange skirmishes with Nokhchi.
                      15. sleepy
                        0
                        31 December 2012 05: 59
                        Marek Rozny,
                        Thanks for the clarifications.
                      16. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        26 December 2012 22: 37
                        Well, since such a booze has gone, then there is no sense in talking to "you". But once I started googling, it's not bad. Keep it up! You look, something will come.
                        1) Tie a dumb tongue. A civil servant who does not know the state language is semi-disabled in a professional way. And only finished stupid people can argue with this, or chauviks, who still cannot sleep at night due to the fact that the Russian language has ceased to be the official language. I won’t call you a moron, and your nationalistic nature is visible per kilometer. Just accept that the Kazakh language by the status under the Constitution of Kazakhstan is higher than the language of Russian immigrants and calmly live on. In Russia de jure also prohibited language infringement, but nevertheless, a person without knowledge of the Russian language will not be accepted into the civil service. Stop dodging. Kazakhstan is already taking this issue gently, respecting the non-Kazakh population of its country. But the efficiency of a non-Kazakh-speaking employee of a state agency is low, doesn’t understand a single document in Kazakh, doesn’t understand a single meeting in Kazakh, doesn’t understand a single citizen in Kazakh - why the hell is such a limited employee? If such an employee wants all office work in Kazakhstan to be in Russian, then let him go to the country where Russian is the state language. Stop arguing on this topic, already tired. By the way, I also worked in international organizations in Kazakhstan - without knowledge of English they will not accept a job for any position, and someone is indignant? No. Outraged only the great-power, who in their life could not learn the Turkic dialect. They have a million excuses for it - they didn’t need it, there was no time, there wasn’t enough perseverance, the age was not that, etc. My mother, who already does not see anything without glasses, and she is now learning German and trying to talk to me in this language. However, she does not have any real need for this. I just decided to rediscover German, which I studied in the 60s at school. And who prevented you from learning Kazakh? Hatred? Stupidity? Neglect? Or all together? At least a hundred times disagree with brown biomass, but in Kazakhstan, the official language is not Russian, but Kazakh. Deal with it. And professional requirements are presented to the civil servant, which allow selecting the most suitable employees. The language factor plays a big role in what maximum benefit will be from the applicant. Stop the crap to suffer. Hand over the docks to the civil service in Russia and write in Ukrainian (Kazakh, Georgian) in the summary that you do not know the state language (Russian). And when you are sent to start downloading rights regarding the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which does not allow infringement on the basis of language. I will look at this circus.
                      17. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        26 December 2012 22: 38
                        2) About real estate prices in Issyk - I don't even know what to tell you. You don’t believe me, you don’t believe in price analytics (everyone is deceiving you, poor fellow). Then what do you need to show, Thomas? You really drive in an attempt to argue for the sake of the argument itself. Subscribe a paper newspaper from Issyk, advertise "I will buy a house with a plot at the lowest price" and indicate your e-mail. Let's see what you find.
                        3) As for the GP doctors - well, just killed. I told you that 200 bucks is a ZP of a novice emergency doctor. And what did you write to me? He started to argue and told me that the salary of an ambulance doctor was $ 200 ... What were you arguing with then? In addition, you pulled out a piece from an interview that said:
                        "The salary of a doctor without work experience is 27 thousand tenge. For a doctor with experience - 32 thousand. Night shifts and work on holidays are additionally paid. But this is a very small salary," V. Kulmukhametova said. According to her, if the ambulance doctor works hard, he will be able to make the most "on average per month - 60 - 65 thousand tenge""(400 dollars and a little more). Yes, the doctor complains about life, rightly says that the salary is small, but there is a lot of work. But nevertheless, a full-time worker earns 400 dollars. By the standards of the CIS, this is not bad. Although, we understand that this is a small reward.But nevertheless, if we remove her emotions, and at least look at the page of medical vacancies http://medkadry.kz/index.php, we see that 35-75 thousand tenge - the minimum salary in state medical institutions for those who have no work experience, and 100 thousand - for those who have experience of more than three years. Right here in private medical care institutions - 120 thousand - for those who have no experience, 300 thousand for those who have experience of at least three years. Maybe you have enough garbage to suffer, trying to prove your mythical right?
                        4) Well, in general it is clear that you would not be accepted into the civil service in Russia either. You know Russian too bad. Contempt is something other than contempt. It's good that you left Kazakhstan. Have you forgotten the Russian language, have not learned Kazakh, have you even managed to get a higher education? Or did the evil Kazakh nationalists prevent them from learning their native language back in Soviet times?
                      18. 0
                        26 December 2012 22: 55
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        write a paper newspaper from Issyk, advertise

                        listen (since you switched) a miracle in skullcap, if there are 9 thousand houses in the market and one for 5, then the average price will be 200
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        on average per month - 60 - 65 thousand tenge "" ($ 400 and a little more). Yes, the doctor complains about life, rightly says that the salary is small, but there is a lot of work.

                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Kazakhstan has a normal standard of living

                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        I myself am a former state employee, I worked in the civil service, I started with $ 50 once, when I quit 6 years ago, the salary was already about a thousand dollars

                        don't you find contradictions in the numbers ?! or are accustomed to drawing a beautiful "candy wrapper" as a press secretary in the civil service
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        And who prevented you from learning Kazakh? Hatred? Stupidity? Neglect?

                        language is a means of communication, agree with this, if the native speakers of the Kazakh language in the Kazakh SSR were 18% (more precisely, Kazakhs) native speakers ~ 12, do not tell me which language we should speak ?!
                        about your stupidity about the questionnaire in the state institution of the Russian Federation in Georgian, stupidity is something I don’t remember that Georgian would have any status in the Russian Federation, but Russian in Kazakhstan has the status of the language of international communication.
                        in addition, you are extremely persistent in circumventing the list of professions where knowledge of the state language is mandatory; accordingly, there are professions (including in state institutions); according to the law, this is not necessary; at the same time, according to the law, if necessary, state institutions are OBLIGATED (which is often not done) translate to Russian
                      19. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        27 December 2012 13: 23
                        Vova, already tired with his empty chatter. I like to argue, to discuss, but the argument with you is empty for me. I do not see facts, figures, information. I just spend time explaining something. And with pleasure I would continue if I felt that the information is critically comprehended and accepted by the interlocutor.
                        And in the case of you, I see a bazaar grandmother who doesn’t care what her throat is. "Bazaar grandmothers" are not interested in information from the outside, and they really do not care if their own information will reach others. The main thing for them is the process itself! Noise, din, argument, shouts, curses.
                        Too bad a lot of time spent on you. I hoped for a tiny bit of adequacy. Alas. I'm leaving this empty conversation. The difference between "language" and "state language" guess yourself. If you do not find a difference, live with the thought that "there is no difference." I do not care. There are no lists in which the state prescribes any professional requirements. This is bullshit - to write separate laws, which would spell out the requirements for each specialty. And you can write a letter to a government agency in Russian, as a citizen of the country. And they will answer you in Russian. And to duplicate the internal office work of government agencies is idiocy. By the way, without knowledge of the Russian language for the civil service, it is unlikely that you will get to work in a government agency. So, on this topic, inflate the topic that allegedly "Kazakh chauvinists were twice chauvinists, twice violating the Law on Languages."
                        I wish you an analytical mind and a regular sex life. I hope you have the rest.
                      20. +1
                        27 December 2012 13: 27
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        "Bazaar grandmothers" are not interested in information from the outside, and they really do not care if their own information will reach others. The main thing for them is the process itself! Noise, din, argument, shouts, curses.

                        very self-critical
                        any example you call lies or delirium.
                        want to argue further write in PM
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        It’s garbage to write separate laws, which would prescribe requirements for each specialty.

                        this is not garbage, as you put it, but normative and legislative acts (sweep the existing ones) in the Republic of Kazakhstan
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        And to duplicate the internal office work of state bodies - idiocy
                        this is not idiocy, but an article of the law on languages ​​of the Republic of Kazakhstan
                      21. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        25 December 2012 18: 14
                        And the main thing. Once again, I will ask you, Vladimir Vasilenko, a question that you stubbornly ignore - How is “squeezing out” expressed in Kazakhstan along ethnic lines?
                        (The example with a certain physician from Issyk was incomprehensible to me in this regard, you wrote a lot about the miserable salaries of doctors, but you never wrote about ethnic oppression. Or the small salaries of state employees - did you consider ethnic oppression? Do you just want to scratch your tongue with your tongue? You would at least describe how this Issyk citizen was oppressed, humiliated, insulted, fired, beaten, kicked out - so at least it would be more logical from your side - and the topic of "poor Kazakhstanis" who are unable to move to the Russian Federation would be touched, and the topic "Kazakh Nazis, tormenting Russian residents every day "). And then you tried to cover only one topic, and even then you got into a puddle with salaries and real estate prices.
                      22. +2
                        25 December 2012 22: 37
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        example with a certain physician from Issyk

                        and now either give a quote about the physician from Isyk, or I apologize
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        but they never wrote about ethnic oppression

                        sorry for being rude, are you stupid? believes that if, in response to challenging the illegal actions of an official, they tell you - “I don’t like to go to Russia”, this is not ethnic oppression, if you are outraged that some ebony is pissing under your window and in response to your indignation calmly declares, this the land of the Kazakhs I do what I want, if the policeman can calmly tell you, we did not invite you (Russians) here, therefore, endure rudeness, and the Kazakhs standing next to it silently support this not ethnic oppression, if it is calmly stated that a non-Kazakh cannot be the president of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the nomination of a Russian candidate for this position is a direct insult to the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, this is not ethnic oppression, and after all this, you want that in dealing with YOU, I "you" write with a capital letter, and you would not go
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        You tried to cover it, and even then you got into a puddle with salaries and real estate prices.

                        you sat in a puddle, I already realized that it’s useless to prove something to you, although I was not too lazy to rummage through real estate offers and took average prices, well, apart from the fact that I myself bought and blew up real estate in Kazakhstan.
                        By the way, a little earlier you yourself said about real estate prices in some cities of the Republic of Kazakhstan at 200 bucks so raise the seat from the puddle
                      23. Marek Rozny
                        -1
                        26 December 2012 23: 51
                        1) Then write letters clearly in Russian so that there is no misunderstanding of your letters. He wrote about the salary of doctors and immediately wrote about some Issyk resident, as I understand it, this was given as an example of a poor Kazakhstan doctor. But it turns out that you simply don’t know how to compose a text. Sorry, I don’t get into semi-literate messages.
                        2) I perceive your emotional paragraph about all-existing Kazakhs and illegal officials as garbage. Did you personally say the phrase "roll to Russia"? If so, then I even know why they could react like that. People like you easily allow themselves to say something like "you, mambets, can't even put asphalt on my street normally, so we'll leave, die the next day without us." I heard such phrases in KZ more than a dozen times. You have contempt for Kazakhs and others in every second sentence. Maybe there is nothing to blame on the mirror, if the face is crooked? Or have you loved and adored Kazakhs all your life, but did not like them only upon arrival in Russia? If you do not want to love us, we are not girls, how can we do without your moaning and yelling. Thank you so much for leaving. Now you are not our headache, but the Russians, in this connection, I very much sympathize with them, what a "refugee" came to them. Three quarters of Russian Kazakhs did not want to go to Russia point-blank. And not at all because they allegedly have no money for the road. Our Kazakh Russians are a hardworking and adequate part of the Kazakh people who are respected by the rest of the Kazakhs. Well, and the fact that there are dermal congeners among Russians and Kazakhs, well, what nation does not have them? Fortunately, the Kazakhs immediately gave their Natsiks in the teeth, both literally and legally. And the Russian shoviks left by themselves, until they had to kick them to accelerate. As soon as the bawlers got out of the way and as soon as Russia stopped feeding from the budget all sorts of tricks on "protecting the rights of compatriots" in Kazakhstan, the interethnic issue instantly disappeared from us. Although some offended children still Abydna, that the Russian language is in the second place of honor in the KZ, and not in the first, and in this they see the oppression of the non-titular population. If it was your will, Vovchik, you would generally forbid Kazakhs to speak Kazakh. What is there to hide, Vova :)
                      24. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        26 December 2012 23: 52
                        3) Your last paragraph is a masterpiece! I have always believed that a person who cannot even remember the elementary rules of grammar of his native language is not able to think logically. You see, that you, too, would not be kicked out of Russia for inadequacy somehow. I am a non-Russian face, and it’s better to speak and write in your language. If you spoke Kazakh better than me, I would die with shame :))))
                        But nevertheless, I will answer such an illiterate post in which you "ate" all the commas and "blew up real estate", remembering my "from the abyss". I'm kind, even though I'm laughing at you;) I mentioned the price of 200 bucks per apartment as an example of prices in tiny provincial towns in the midst of economic devastation - in the 90s. Or have you forgotten how to read in Russian too?
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        about the sale of apartments in the 90s. and who needed these apartments? until the first years of the 2000s, we had a penny hut. if you were Kazakh three times, you would still sell your hut for a penny. In 1999, we sold a three-room apartment in the center of Almaty for 22 thousand dollars (sold a year). all the neighbors considered us lucky. and in small towns today, entire microdistricts are empty - abandoned apartments in general. in Temirtau (near Karaganda) two-room apartments went for 100-200 dollars. not thousands. just a hundred to two hundred dollars. and then - no buyers were found.
                        Do you understand when they write to you in Russian? And you understand that real estate prices are already completely different, after all, almost 20 years have passed since that time. Or did you yourself sold your apartment in KZ for 200 bucks in 2009? :)))))) Who are you talking about the beggar Kazakhstan, where doctors cannot scrape together money for the trip to Russia? Do you play in public and wait for other Russians to support you? As I see, the Russians in this topic are quite sensible people, no one except you is driving a blizzard about Kazakhstan. Or do you write your texts here, print them out and then take them to the migration office, they say, "here are my proofs that I am entitled to the status of a" refugee "and I personally expect from Comrade Romodanovskiy personally monetary compensation for the hardships I have suffered in Kazakhstan"? :)))))))))))))) Well, then tell me so, I'll play along with you, I'll write here how in Kazakhstan all Russians have already been intimidated below the plinth, we keep them in chains, we won't let them into Russia, we don't let them talk in Russian, only the slippery Vova Vasilenko ran away from us under cover of night, otherwise we, uuuuh, would have pissed everything under his window in the best Kazakh traditions of national oppression :))))))
                        ZY Print my last sentence and show it to the FMS. Should give grandmother, the Order of Courage and a carton of milk. Stopudovo. An Issyk refugee told me about this, but he will not lie.
                      25. sleepy
                        +1
                        27 December 2012 04: 21
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        "You don’t want to love us, so ... Thank you so much for leaving.
                        Now you are not our headache .... Three quarters of Russian Kazakhstanis point blank did not want to go to Russia ... Our Kazakh Russians are a hardworking and adequate part of the Kazakh people,
                        which is respected by the rest of Kazakhstanis ... "
                        .

                        Initially, it was about the systematic assimilation of Russians abroad,
                        which happened at the time in the territory of the present catholic Poland
                        and many Poles do not hide their hatred of today's Russia.
                        Currently, there is an Islamization of Russia for a number of reasons.
                        Moreover, strikebreakers not only sweep the streets.

                        "Rosstat published estimates of the population and migration inflow based on data on
                        1th of November 2012.
                        According to statistics, in general, the resident population of the Russian Federation amounted to
                        143,3 million people, an increase from January 1 to 246 thousand people, or 0,17%.
                        In November 2011, the same, although less pronounced, trend was observed -
                        an increase in population by 127 thousand people, or 0,09%.

                        At the same time, the contribution of migration growth to population growth in 2012 was still decisive - it amounted to 99,7% of the total
                        Read more: http://kommersant.ru/doc/2094334

                        And further...
                        “Tuberculosis was brought to St. Petersburg, before which medicines are powerless.
                        St. Petersburg doctors report that a form of tuberculosis that is not treatable has been discovered in the city.
                        They warn that new forms of the disease are unlikely to be fully cured."
                        http://svpressa.ru/society/article/47085

                        That is, the erosion of Russians continues in Russia and to whom it is beneficial - this is a whole article,
                        and in a nutshell - the visiting strikebreakers do not respect the locals, considering them drunkards, loafers, libertines ...
                        Indigenous Petersburgers are considered descendants of cannibals.
                      26. 0
                        27 December 2012 13: 29
                        Quote: sleepy
                        about there is a continuing erosion of Russians already in Russia and to whom it is beneficial - this is a whole article,
                        and in a nutshell - the visiting strikebreakers do not respect the locals, considering them drunkards, loafers, libertines ...
                        Indigenous Petersburgers are considered descendants of cannibals.

                        sorry and strike-breakers who do you call in this particular case ?!
                      27. sleepy
                        0
                        31 December 2012 06: 28
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        "Excuse me, but who do you call strikebreakers in this particular case ?!"
                        .
                        In this case, strikebreakers call those workers
                        who are hired for half or so salaries
                        laid down by labor legislation to the local population.
                        If visitors from Tajikistan were not provided
                        numerous free (due to the budget of Russia) social and medical services,
                        then they could be called gastrobayters - foreign workers.

                        Lack of union movement in Russia allows you to use the labor of visitors
                        without local opposition.
                        As an example of trade union opposition, I can refer to a cinema episode from an American action movie.
                        Representatives of the dockers union (essentially the Italian mafia) come to the port to deal with those who unload the ship (in the film they are arms dealers) without the knowledge of the union.
                        The representative of the union states that without the knowledge of the union will not allow unloading of ships by persons
                        non-union members.

                        American financier Jay Gould.
                        Hiring strikebreakers, he said:
                        “I can hire half the working class to kill the other half.”
                      28. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        27 December 2012 14: 05
                        Sleep, I apologize, but I did not quite understand where does my quoted phrase referring to Monsieur Vasilenko and your information given as an answer?
                        Are you saying that Kazakhs assimilate Russians in Kazakhstan? Nonsense. 95% of Russian Kazakhs cannot even make a proposal in Kazakh, what kind of "cultural assimilation" is there.
                        Here is Monsieur Vasilenko-an assimilated Pole're coming out. He has forgotten his native Ukrainian language, he considers himself Russian, this is his position. He fights for "the rights of the oppressed Russians in Kazakhstan" a tear goes through. This is always the case with neophytes. They are, as a rule, burning "proofs" of their trustworthiness in a new environment. Here he erodes the concept of "Russianness" and is actually a confirmation of the words of this Tajik chief of migrant workers. One field of berries. Both prove that the concept of "Russian people" is both a Tajik in a skullcap and a Ukrainian in trousers. How, then, a truly Russian person differs from them is unclear. But both kagbe hints that the main thing is not the appearance, religion and genes, but "spirit". Xs, we can they are in this matter and both are right. But they are absolutely clumsy trying to substantiate this, which causes rejection of their position.
                        2) Regarding the Islamization of Russia. How many percent of Russian people converted to Islam in 20 years? A negligible amount of less than one percent. That is, the Russian people themselves have not undergone any Islamization. If by the term Islamization you mean an increase in the Muslim peoples of Russia, then kagbe Russia has always been considered the largest Muslim power, and not just Christian. Russia became an empire after it included the split Golden Horde into its Muslims. And moreover, one can blame the Russian Empire for anything different, but in terms of religious respect - the Russian Empire was a worthy model in the world. All immigrants from small pagan peoples up to 1917 swore allegiance to the Russian army, swearing their gods. In my Kazakhstan, the Russian Empire strengthened the position of Muslim ideology in every possible way, officially sending countless mullahs from Tatarstan to the Steppe.
                        Millions of Muslims have always lived in Russia and Russia has always respected their religion, just like the Muslims of Russia respected Christian fellow citizens.
                      29. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        27 December 2012 14: 07
                        Sleepy
                        3) Migrants most often travel legally to Russia. Many, of course, illegal, but most - quite legally arrived (topic legal work we will omit in this paragraph so as not to deviate from the main topic of your question). And you yourself know that the Russians, although they are the main state-forming ethnic group in the Russian Federation, the number of Russians is steadily declining. Without migration support from the CIS countries, Russia would become largely depopulated in some parts of the country. You live in St. Petersburg, where there is no visible decrease in the population. But in the regions for 20 years, "extinct" territories have actually appeared. Now, if Russia redirected the flow of former Soviet fellow citizens to those regions that really suffer from a shortage of people, it would be better for everyone. And the Petrograd would not be frightened by the numerous Tajiks and Azerbaijanis, and the Muslims, Moldovans and others would have lived and worked in peace in the provinces that Russia needs. The economy of Russia is skewed and ugly, in the sense that Moscow time and St. Petersburg can provide a bunch of jobs, while the Far East, Transbaikalia, Polar regions can simply offer nothing to immigrants. The state needs to correct this imbalance. In Kazakhstan and Germany, they try to place them with logic. Until recently, this was absolutely not the case in Russia. A program for the resettlement of compatriots has now been adopted, but so far it is really crude and ineffective. I understand that the Russian Federation was guided by the fact that Russians from Ukraine and Kazakhstan would go to the wilderness of Russia. But this is nonsense. Kazakh Russians living in big cities, having a good income in life, will not go to the forgotten by God and really pissed off Zazhopinsk-on-Obi to their historical homeland to live and work at work, where they will pay two to three times lower than in his cozy Kostanay, Almaty or Pavlodar. Russia must create conditions for migrants and benefit from them. In the meantime, only those who are associated with the control of illegal immigrants receive benefits. As a result, both Russians and newcomers suffer. And they blame each other for their troubles and problems.
                      30. sleepy
                        0
                        31 December 2012 07: 09
                        [Marek Rozny / b]

                        Key phrase: "In the meantime, only those who are associated with the control of illegal immigrants receive benefits.
                        As a result, both Russians and newcomers suffer. And they blame each other for their troubles and problems. "

                        "Without migration support from the CIS countries, Russia would become largely depopulated in some parts of the country."

                        I found on the Internet a detailed description of this problem by a human resources specialist,
                        The vision of this situation is described more fully.

                        http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332
                        “... But the real policy pursued in the field of personnel leads to the fact that by 2020 an additional 25 million jobs will be created for low-skilled migrants.
                        This is in addition to the 10-15 million jobs that are created for them now.
                        As a result of public policies in the coming decades
                        the number of low-skilled migrants attracted from abroad will amount to more than half of the economically active population of the country ...
                        But it makes tens of millions of our fellow citizens absolutely uncompetitive.
                        They can no longer compete in the low-skilled labor market.
                        A Russian citizen cannot and should not compete for a job and a beggarly salary with visitors from Central Asia. Russian citizens are not ready and should not live in bestial conditions
                        20 people in a room, receiving a meager salary for their work. And our citizens do not want.

                        But, I emphasize, this does not mean that they do not want to work. They do not want to work for a salary that does not allow giving birth and raising children, eating normally and being treated.
                        Moreover, according to our research, today there is real competition
                        18% of our fellow citizens feel with visitors from Central Asia.
                        But this is in general, and among low-skilled Russian youth and low-skilled older people, competition is already claimed by almost 25%!
                        These are scary numbers, Mr. President!

                        What are the advantages of attracting tens of millions of low-skilled migrants?
                        I don't see any
                        . We are eroding the Russian culture (I emphasize, not Russian, but Russian). Uncontrolled migration creates problems not only in Moscow and other "Russian" megacities -
                        in our “Muslim” regions, the influx of cheap labor from abroad creates the same difficulties.

                        Could someone imagine ten years ago that there will be classes in Moscow schools where children do not speak Russian well or do not speak the state language at all? Today it is a reality.
                        If the flow is not stopped, then in a short time schools and areas will appear where it will be difficult to hear Russian speech. Five years ago, the word "Moskvobad" did not exist in Russian. But today this is no longer perceived as a joke.

                        What kind of modern economy and its development can we talk about when using slave labor?
                        What breakthroughs are we talking about if the average person living in Russia, after twenty years will be difficult to read and speak Russian?
                        Through the Ministry of Labor, we plan to spend hundreds of billions of rubles in the coming years to attract and adapt migrants. If the same money is additionally directed to the education of our citizens, there is still a chance that in 20 years we still will not forget how to fly into space. "

                        An open letter from the head of the Superjob.ru portal, Alexei Zakharov, to the President of the Russian Federation.
                        http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332
                      31. sleepy
                        +1
                        31 December 2012 07: 14
                        "A citizen of Russia cannot and should not compete for a job and a beggarly salary with immigrants from Central Asia. Citizens of Russia are not ready and should not live in bestial conditions
                        20 people in a room, receiving a meager salary for their work.
                        And our citizens do not want.

                        But, I emphasize, this does not mean that they do not want to work. They don’t want to work for a salary,
                        which does not allow to give birth and raise children, eat normally and be treated.
                        But just not enough money! It is necessary today (tomorrow it will be too late) to completely close the Russian labor market for unskilled migration from abroad.
                        Totally! No quotas.

                        The inability to attract cheap labor will force businesses to invest in the very innovations, increase labor productivity, and create “good” jobs.
                        There is no other way. Either degradation (and its speed is increasing), or tough political decisions.

                        CIS, military bases, geopolitics ...
                        All this is wonderful, only who will need all this in 20-30 years?

                        I urge you, Mr. President, to take tough political decisions aimed at the complete prohibition of the importation of cheap labor into the territory of the Russian Federation.
                        The world will not collapse. And prices will not rise. Salaries of a significant part of Russian citizens will increase.
                        First low-skilled, then those with higher qualifications: everything is interconnected.
                        And this money will remain in the country - it will be spent on the development of the Russian economy.
                        They will create new jobs for citizens of the Russian Federation.


                        PS
                        Why did I decide to write this letter?
                        I’ve been talking about this for several years: newspapers, radio, television, the Internet ... And well, I would be alone. I am discussing this topic with high-ranking federal officials with whom you, Mr. President, are also personally acquainted. Everyone’s hair stands on end from what’s happening.
                        But ... I ask my friends: well, you are power, why are you silent?
                        And in response, I hear: THERE (they pointedly look up at us) are not listening.
                        Hear us, Mr. President! "
                        http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332
                      32. sleepy
                        +1
                        31 December 2012 06: 53
                        Marek Rozny

                        In fact, if you look at global changes that have occurred in more than one generation.
                        Finland was part of the Russian Empire.
                        Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire.
                        Kazakhstan was part of the Russian Empire.
                        And so on ...
                        Moreover, the official language of Seich in these countries is certainly not Russian.
                        It’s a matter of time when all living people will switch to the official state language in everyday life.
                        In Finland, this happened earlier, in Ukraine it will happen later.
                        An example of Canada, where English coexists with French does not count.

                        2) The percentage of Russians who converted to Islam in recent years is small.
                        Under Islamization, I mean a deliberate increase in population due to visitors from Central Asia.

                        Indeed, for centuries, Russia has shown the world a unique experience of peaceful cohabitation of many peoples. T. n. The "colonization" of the vast territorial expanses by the state-forming Russian people not only did not lead to the disappearance of the once small peoples living there, on the contrary, Russian civilization accepted them into their fold on equal terms.
                        In the same America, we recall, the Indians survived now except in the reservations.
                        Meanwhile, “interethnic harmony,” which the head of state insists,
                        acquires ever more ugly features.
                        Here are just some fresh examples:
                        http://imho.gazeta.spb.ru/4819-0/
                        Almost a third of all newborns in the capital are children of migrants from countries near and far abroad, the newspaper “Version” reports.
                        Despite the fact that their mothers do not have any compulsory health insurance policies,
                        nor the necessary results of tests and examinations, Moscow doctors have no right to refuse patients who were admitted by ambulance, nor can they take money from them for obstetric and gynecological services.
                        Therefore, Moscow taxpayers ultimately pay for everything.
                        And the locals don't really like it.
                        It is believed that in this way the situation is heating up before new social upheavals.

                        Vladimir Putin signed a concept for migrants: they will be settled, trained and cured ...
                        http://top.rbc.ru/politics/13/06/2012/654869.shtml
                      33. sleepy
                        0
                        31 December 2012 07: 23
                        And Muslims in St. Petersburg were respected - as an example, a mosque built.
                        Islam is essentially a more progressive religion.
                        But the visitors, showing off their religiosity,
                        they don’t find understanding among locals, but they enjoy the support of the authorities.
                      34. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        24 December 2012 02: 29
                        Sleepy
                        such trucks, if racketeers, the customs officers of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan / Kyrgyzstan stopped. I recall that the highway from Tajikistan to Russia will pass through the territories of other Central Asian states. It is very doubtful that they would have been allowed to pass without documents for equipment.

                        About memoirs - it is necessary to google. read them a few months ago. Tu-95 were.
                      35. sleepy
                        0
                        24 December 2012 02: 58
                        On the Internet there was a video from the registrar, how the truck was stopped.
                        When other trucks of the same company began to pull themselves up, the racketeers got into their cars and drove away.
                        The video was on the site "Road Showdown", I'll try to find it, there will be time.
                        Regarding border guards and / or customs officers.
                        Border guards would have missed it this way, but customs can always be negotiated.
                        The issue of price.
                      36. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        24 December 2012 12: 00
                        90s ... what kind of DVRs? and do not you remember what scumbags were then on the road? armed to the teeth, why would they be afraid of civilian refugees? Border guards and customs officers just would not have missed. And so much money would be ripped off for equipment that it would turn out to be gold until it arrived on the territory of the Russian Federation. This is clearly not a commodity, therefore, any customs officer would have fought in black.
                        The version of the noble salvation of the plant and its export through several countries to Russia - smacks of a distorted drinking bike.
                      37. sleepy
                        0
                        25 December 2012 04: 41
                        Basically it was a version that the people were organized, there was no question of saving the plant.
                        In the topic of NATO transit through Ulyanovsk, the emphasis was on the fact that customs keeps everything under control.
                        In the discussion, some gave examples of what can be transported across borders - paid and drive quietly. The question of price certainly stands.

                        PS Found on the Internet about racketeering these days, truth is another example.
                        "Recall that a video recording from a video recorder has appeared on the Internet.
                        how some people extort money from a trucker. He reports this by walkie-talkie.
                        His colleagues come to the rescue, block the road, beat unfortunate racketeers,
                        and then turn over their car. "

                        Truckers taught extortionists on the highway
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_ym5jjy9ro
                      38. 0
                        1 January 2013 16: 37
                        Border guards and customs officers just would not have missed

                        90s ... what are Border Guards and customs officers?
                      39. sleepy
                        +1
                        24 December 2012 03: 17
                        Surely there were difficulties during the evacuation,
                        but they can not be compared with the evacuation during World War II to the Urals
                        or repair of KV tanks in besieged Leningrad during cold, hunger, shelling and bombing.
                      40. 0
                        1 January 2013 15: 46
                        Not being an eyewitness to the evacuation, I can assume what happened,
                        based on the plans for the evacuation of the enterprise in which he worked in the USSR.

                        I'm impressed!. It was just like that! The settlers were traveling in factory trucks, buses and personal cars in an organized column, armed. I will add: About three months before their arrival, their lodgers appeared here. Guys with an intellectual and military appearance in cars. They "rented" a local rest house. In two years they gradually disappeared. Who left for another area, who found an apartment, who bought their own housing. All settled well. I must admit that these people are more active than we are locals. after all, the best of us rode to raise the republics out of savagery.
                      41. 0
                        1 January 2013 16: 16
                        Not being an eyewitness to the evacuation, I can assume what happened,
                        based on the plans for the evacuation of the enterprise in which he worked in the USSR.


                        I'm impressed!. It was just like that! The settlers were traveling in factory trucks, buses and personal cars in an organized column, armed. I will add: About three months before their arrival, their lodgers appeared here. Guys with an intellectual and military appearance in cars. They "rented" a local rest house. In two years they gradually disappeared. Who left for another area, who found an apartment, who bought their own housing. All settled well. I must admit that these people are more active than we are locals. after all, the best of us rode to raise the republics out of savagery.
                    2. Marek Rozny
                      -1
                      24 December 2012 02: 13
                      Kazakhstan did not need bombers absolutely, and even in such numbers. Moreover, even amers were written with boiling water. But moments and su were needed. They were replaced by tu-shki. The planes were sent to Russia as expected. But we stocked up a few planes just in case. But the Russians handed us over to the Americans, they blabbed to them that something was stocked at KZ. I had to cut the planes in front of them. These are the "heroes" exactly who shit on us.

                      about the sale of apartments in the 90s. and who needed these apartments? until the first years of the 2000s, we had a penny hut. if you were Kazakh three times, you would still sell your hut for a penny. In 1999, we sold a three-room apartment in the center of Almaty for 22 thousand dollars (sold a year). all the neighbors considered us lucky. and in small towns today, entire microdistricts are empty - abandoned apartments in general. in Temirtau (near Karaganda) two-room apartments went for 100-200 dollars. not thousands. just a hundred to two hundred dollars. and then - no buyers were found.
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        24 December 2012 02: 22
                        several planes were hijacked from the meadow, but they were returned. not a single state (even tajikistan) would allow such an impudent thing to whistle. and that pilot memoirist gave everything as an achievement, in order to impress the readers as a hero. only then did Russia have to apologize for it and return it back. made an exchange in short. nothing was stolen from Kazakhstan.
                      2. 0
                        24 December 2012 09: 38
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        We in 1999 sold a three-room apartment in the center of Almaty for 22 thousand dollars (sold a year). all the neighbors considered us lucky.

                        you forget that 20000 bucks in the 90s and now it's very different money
                      3. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        24 December 2012 12: 18
                        I do not forget anything. and I remember very well that a good salary back then was (in 1999) $ 100. And it was very good if I got so much. and our apartment was not in the regional center, but I recall - in the center of Almaty, in a new house, three-ruble note. and in the regions these huts, as I said, were generally worth a dime. prices for comparison brought you already higher.
  8. +22
    21 December 2012 17: 50
    Romanov .... fuck that end of the world with people doing. Aw, this is a transition to a new level of development. Sanka respect. drinks

    "Let's forget the word "Russians", He offers. Do you cancer Karomat Sharipov. And you substitute fellow countrymen with your stupid language.
    1. bask
      +5
      21 December 2012 21: 30
      Quote: vorobey
      Aw, this is a transition to a new level of development. Sanka Respect

      Alexander, full of respect and admiration .. WE HAVE NO SPARE HOMELAND. AND WE HAVE NO RUNNING WE ARE .. WE MOSCOW BEHIND ALL !!! If you do not take urgent measures to completely ban labor migration. In 5-10 years we will find ourselves, Ethnic minority ... With all the ensuing consequences .....
      1. sleepy
        +3
        22 December 2012 05: 20
        1 day of Narusova.
        Maybe a fake, but it expresses the opposition’s position quite accurately.
        http://fater-varus.livejournal.com/1453292.html
        1. bask
          0
          22 December 2012 09: 23
          Quote: sleepy
          Maybe a fake, but it expresses the opposition’s position quite accurately.

          What this poodle can advise the president is Russophobia ...
        2. +1
          22 December 2012 20: 03
          She just doesn’t have enough sex! And Russian men are simply more picky. It’s not enough for them to carcass the body moved, unlike Tajiks and Chechens.
          When there is little sex, such individuals begin to THINK, because EVIL is not enough.
  9. +19
    21 December 2012 17: 55
    Only one thing can be advised to Mr. Sharipov: GO TO YOUR COUNTRY AND FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF YOUR PEOPLE WITH YOUR OWNS, and do not teach us to live in our country!
    1. slas
      +4
      21 December 2012 19: 44
      Quote: vadimN
      GO TO YOUR COUNTRY AND FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF YOUR PEOPLE WITH YOUR OWNS, and do not teach us how to live in our country!

      Yes, right there-- SECRET BASHKA)))
      1. bask
        +5
        21 December 2012 21: 38
        Quote: slas
        Yes, right there-- SECRET BASHKA)))

        ,,,, Culture is such a thing, and it’s already very serious. Ethnic cleansings took place in the S. Caucasus and S. Asia in the 90s. Millions of refugees. Thousands of people killed.
  10. +12
    21 December 2012 17: 57
    What kind of guests are they? They have long been masters. And we don't need guests; we are not yet rich enough to receive guests. And you don't need slaves either. We are not slave owners (except for a small handful). We must be free citizens of a free country. Down with the slaves! Down with the "guests"! And gentlemen, at the same time, down with it too!
    1. sleepy
      0
      22 December 2012 05: 25
      They have long been ...

      Let's settle everyone in Russia, give them a Russian job and then there will be no intolerance.
      The main thing is to take care of the rights of visiting guest workers.
      http://www.rusnation.org/sfk/0607/0607-05.shtml

      Vladimir Putin signed a concept for migrants: they will be settled, trained and cured.
      http://top.rbc.ru/politics/13/06/2012/654869.shtml

      In Russia, there are about a million labor migrants from Tajikistan.
      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/778061/

      Putin extended the term to Tajik migrants, now they can work in Russia for three years.
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/872103-1/

      Maternity tours to Moscow from Central Asia.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEu1piUhwg&feature=player_embedded

      Russia has become a hospital for migrants.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaUBeTY3ZE&feature=player_embedded

      The policy of replacing the Russians ... continues.
      http://sinn-fein-front.livejournal.com/73337.html

      There will be no “Uzbek quarters" in the city, but there are already Uzbek Petersburg:
      According to the Interregional Center for the Education of Migrants, Uzbeks already make up 1/6 of the population of the northern capital.
      http://welcomespb.com/news6.html

      The Uzbeks called Petersburg the most tolerant city in Russia.
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/901247-1/

      Petersburg is becoming a city of Asian enclaves.
      http://svpressa.ru/society/article/57295/

      Petersburg will allocate 150 million rubles for the education of migrants
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/816561-0/

      Children of migrants from Central Asia will be helped to get a job in schools in St. Petersburg.
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/890043-1/

      Poltavchenko on migrants: They will want to live here, work, give birth to children.
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/902982-1/

      "Migrants often come from other climatic zones and start to get sick here,"
      Governor Poltavchenko took care of the health of visitors.
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/954809-0/

      The prosecutor's office opened a reception room for migrants.
      Its task is to help adapt and disseminate among visitors information about possible foci of social tension.
      The public reception will help not only legal, but also illegal migrants.
      Police and FMS will help prosecutors.
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/916157-1/

      Legally prohibit the media from mentioning the nationality of not only suspects,
      but even already convicted criminals.
      The head of state was asked about this by the speaker of the Moscow City Duma Vladimir Platonov.
      http://news.rambler.ru/16806248/

      Russian bus drivers are fined and recruited by migrants.
      http://www.kp.ru/daily/25981.4/2913929/

      MOSCOW IN HEAVEN.
      http://m-hodarenok.ru/?p=23#more-23

      Sacrifice of rams.
      http://rodonews.ru/news_1289929282.html

      THINKING THE MIDDLE ASIAN
      http://14-sonde.livejournal.com/30681.html
  11. dr. Mengele
    +5
    21 December 2012 18: 02
    does this monkey teach us how to live, how to work, and how to call ourselves? I do not like it - please - suitcase station Tashkent
    1. +5
      21 December 2012 18: 28
      Doctor, you were wrong. Suitcase - Station - Dushanbe. Tashkent is in Uzbekistan.
    2. +4
      21 December 2012 19: 34
      U important ... dyushyanbe ...
  12. +5
    21 December 2012 18: 03
    Tajiks go home!
  13. +13
    21 December 2012 18: 03
    quote- “Let's forget the word“ Russians, ”he suggests. - Russians can be counted on the fingers. I’m watching a video from the “Russian March” and I don’t see Russian faces. Let's say "Russians." There are no Tajiks for a long time either: they were destroyed during the Civil War. There are Tajiks. The problem is the same. ”

    one more. And why? Because his fellow countrymen have been accustomed to such activities since time immemorial: they were forced to do this back in the USSR. “It so happened long ago that the peoples of Central Asia work at such jobs. We are 70 years in this position, - says Sharipov. - Name, for example, at least one famous pilot from Central Asia. There are only two or three of them. We never had access anywhere in the days of the Soviet Union, we were not involved. We collected vegetables, fruits, cotton, dug, loaded, and so on. And after the collapse of the USSR, it became necessary to rebuild Central Russia. ”


    This "comrade" Karomat Sharipov has clearly either "leaked" or a real provocateur.
    Apparently he doesn’t see beyond his nose, myopia tortured. How can one speak badly of Russian citizens and his own people? He doesn’t even have his own national dignity! That among Tajiks there aren’t a lot of graduates ... Just blame the current Tajik government for not enough least (if at all) carries out economic reforms. To build the world's tallest flagpole they threatened a lot of money just to get into the Guinness Book of Records but to open new jobs for money, how much then no.
    1. sleepy
      +7
      22 December 2012 05: 29
      Want a real Russian march?
      There was already one such Russian march.
  14. andrey903
    +11
    21 December 2012 18: 05
    The main rabbi himself distributes his fellow countrymen among the objects and has money from them. I won’t be surprised that he is a drug lord
    1. +4
      21 December 2012 18: 26
      I won’t be surprised either!
  15. predator.3
    +4
    21 December 2012 18: 16
    The gas capital of Russia was closed from the Wahhabis
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26005/2930936/

    In today's issue of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" this article came out, it says it all!

    1. Igor
      +3
      21 December 2012 18: 55
      Gas is sacred for them, and let Wahhabis walk in other cities where there is no oil and gas!
  16. Terminator
    +8
    21 December 2012 18: 17
    I generally spit on the opinion of some Gaster.
    1. bask
      +1
      21 December 2012 21: 42
      Quote: Terminator
      I generally spit on the opinion of some Gaster.

      A train . Dushanbe-Moscow ... wassat
      1. +2
        21 December 2012 22: 15
        And Otkel in Tajikistan palm trees ?!
        1. sleepy
          +1
          22 December 2012 05: 31
          It seems like these are Indians.
          1. +1
            22 December 2012 12: 26
            it was immediately clear
  17. +4
    21 December 2012 18: 20
    God, you fie ... Well, history does not teach anything to freaks. Do not be famously while it is quiet, if the Russians (which supposedly are not) disperse, then I think such a thing as Tajikistan will disappear. Although in order to know the story you need to READ.
  18. +9
    21 December 2012 18: 24
    Russian can be counted on the fingers. - That's the same p-r-i-d-u-r-o-k, ah !!! It is because of such "speakers" that people have problems. Drive him n-ah-e-r from there!

    Name, for example, at least one famous pilot from Central Asia. - And Vladimir Dzhanibekov? Ours, from Uzbekistan, he is also an outstanding astronaut. There is a pilot-cosmonaut from Kyrgyzstan, I do not remember what to call, also worthy. And if you search well, there are still worthy people.
    1. +3
      21 December 2012 20: 37
      Bekdykulov, Kazakh - Hero of the Soviet Union
    2. Marek Rozny
      +7
      21 December 2012 21: 32
      4 astronauts from Kazakhstan - two Russians, two Kazakhs. three more Kazakh astronauts in line. and pilots - above the roof, and there are enough heroes among them. the best helicopter pilot of the USSR is the Uralian Kaiyrgeldy Maydanov (the only Hero of the USSR and Russia for military services). The only combat pilot from the Central Asian nationalities during the war was Kazakh Khiuaz Dospanova. The only Boeing 737 pilot in the entire CIS is again the Kazakh woman Tota Amirov.
      it’s just that Tajik himself doesn’t know.
  19. zol1
    +5
    21 December 2012 18: 28
    Diarrhea in the brains of such freaks here needs to be treated not at the medical level, but only operably with cutting off that very place!
  20. +5
    21 December 2012 18: 30
    well, an eccentric with the letter "me". okay, let a certain percentage of migrants be present, but oblige to observe the traditions and laws of the place of stay, and even in the most severe ways. let them observe their foundations at home, and "into a strange monastery" there is nothing to climb with their charter
    1. bask
      +5
      21 December 2012 18: 38
      Quote: andrei332809
      let them observe their foundations at home, and "in a strange monastery

      Hi Andrey .. Arrived ,, ram ,, in Russia and behaves like a PIG .... am PITAK HIM TO THE SNOW ...
      1. +1
        21 December 2012 18: 50
        Quote: bask
        Hi Andrew

        hello, namesake.
        Quote: bask
        PITAK IT ON THE SNOW

        I think it’s possible and harder. soon the new year is the Chinese firecracker in him ... (well, each according to his will)
        1. bask
          +1
          21 December 2012 19: 02
          Quote: andrei332809
          soon the new year is here

          With the coming. The end of the world did not take place, it can be noted ... This is what our president should first of all do (((nat .. questions and the dominance of migrants in Russia ((((. And do not PR yourself on TV ...
          1. +1
            21 December 2012 19: 04
            Quote: bask
            . The end of the world did not take place, it can be noted

            with the non-offender. tomorrow you have to go to work. but after and note
        2. 0
          21 December 2012 19: 25
          here is the Chinese firecracker in him ... (well, each according to his will) - In ear! wassat
          1. sleepy
            0
            22 December 2012 05: 33
            In two weeks we will celebrate the old "End of the World" winked
      2. 0
        23 December 2012 10: 14
        These people are not pilots, but still - Chingiz Aitmatov, Mahmud Esambaev, and many more respected people, to whom this ....... to which the article does not apply. Thus, only a person who hates his people can generalize and consciously lower his people.
  21. barbell
    +3
    21 December 2012 18: 31
    let the main migrant forget the word russia himself, and work by profession (crush lice) in his old historical homeland.
    1. +1
      21 December 2012 19: 18
      Quote: halter
      on his overdue historical homeland

      Well, why such rudeness ?!
      what are you better after this Mr. Sharipov? !!!
  22. +5
    21 December 2012 18: 54
    For the logical conclusion of the interview, Mr. Sharipov could only announce the last slogans:
    "Russia for Tajiks!"
    and "Russians, go homе from Russia".
    Why don’t they raise Tajikistan?
    1. +5
      21 December 2012 19: 07
      Quote: homosum20
      Why don’t they raise Tajikistan?

      there is no asphalt, you sway. and huts around, there is no brick and cement, but they’ve lost the habit of plastering with dung
  23. satellite
    +1
    21 December 2012 18: 58
    He is allowed to say so, and even the most Russian
  24. figvamforever
    +5
    21 December 2012 19: 13
    Quote: vadimN
    Only one thing can be advised to Mr. Sharipov: GO TO YOUR COUNTRY AND FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF YOUR PEOPLE WITH YOUR OWNS, and do not teach us to live in our country!

    That's right. Let them not forget to take their fellow countrymen.
    And so easy to solve the issue.
    Mandatory ticket back at the border crossing.
    Obligatory insurance against "cancellation" of about 50 rubles per day, but not less than 5000 rubles.
    Purchase of a medical policy of at least 30000 rubles per year.
    No money, home to the bays!
  25. sergey261180
    +5
    21 December 2012 19: 14
    The funny thing is that all "our" elite thinks and does so. From which we can conclude that there are Tajiks in the government.
  26. +2
    21 December 2012 19: 16
    State Duma of the Russian Federation tightens migration legislation

    MOSCOW, December 21. The State Duma adopted in the third reading several bills at once toughening the punishment for illegal migration, a Rosbalt correspondent reports.
    Laws, in particular, increase criminal liability for organizing the entry into the Russian Federation of illegal migrants. According to the amendments, now such a crime will fall into the category of moderate and serious, and the fine for its commission will increase from the current 200 thousand rubles to 300 thousand rubles with an alternative to imprisonment up to 7 years (now - 2 years).
    The deputies also toughened the punishment for crossing the Russian border by foreigners who had previously been denied entry to the Russian Federation. After the law enters into force, the prison term for this crime will increase to 6 years.
    Amendments to a number of laws also propose to establish the possibility of a ban on entry into the Russian Federation for 3 years to those foreigners who were previously deported from Russia, but did not leave its borders during 30 days.
    ................................................
    Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/12/21/1074617.html
  27. +10
    21 December 2012 19: 20
    I don’t know how anyone, I have a father-in-law (stepfather of my wife, Khokhushka), back in the 70s, after an urgent, honored policeman of the Primorsky Territory, a normal man, a long time ago RUSSIAN and considers himself Russian. He raised three Russian children and gave birth to two ... All the girls, relatives and non-relatives married the military ... In my opinion, Russian is, apart from nationality, also STATE ... And the conversation was raised here so that the situation could escalating ... And a migrant, he is also a migrant in Africa ...
  28. +3
    21 December 2012 19: 27
    There is no censorship comment on the conclusions of the main Tajikist !!! !!! ...
  29. +1
    21 December 2012 19: 27
    I have for Karomat Sharipov another solution to all the problems of migrants and his problems of intolerance in particular:
    The passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation Sharipov to an ashtray, a freight car, wooden bunks, a stove-potbelly stove, a bucket of bleach (you can even two buckets!), The terminal station is a native village.
  30. +2
    21 December 2012 19: 29
    1. I talked somehow with an Uzbek, and so our ruble at their place is turning into six, that is, 12000, respectively, at 60000. This is not even the 24000 mentioned above.
    2. Whoever said that in Russia there is a shortage of labor and we cannot do without migrant workers \ not to be confused with highly qualified \.
    I would like to see with my own eyes that employer who says that there are not enough workers and he cannot do without foreigners. The capitalists respond.
    3. In Russia there is such a thing as a minimum wage. it is impossible to pay less according to the law, but also no longer necessary. Conclusion: why pay when you can not pay.
    4. The language is forced to learn when they want to make foreigners citizens.
    Personally, I am against.
  31. +2
    21 December 2012 19: 31
    This gentleman famously calculated ... that in order to come to Russia the poor migrant gastric needs some 3000 green bucks ... it's so easy to come, he says that they also eat. Let me tell you where the beggar has 3000 bakers in his pocket ??? ? On which he famously pounded them in his impoverished homeland ... ??? And if he beat them there, what did he go to Russia so hated by them. Then a legitimate question arises ... and who is the sponsor of the trip (crime or terrorists) ??? How and where will this type of gastric be processed by them ????
  32. +2
    21 December 2012 19: 33
    Mr. Sharipov is laying the groundwork for the destruction of Tajiks during the civil war ... well, just like our Bandera "Russians destroyed Ukrainians, guard!" I wonder how old is this "human rights activist"? Where did he get his education and for how much? Or got it for free in the USSR? A medical service and Russian doctors in the fight against local fevers and other "wondrous diseases"! A pig under an oak tree, dishonoring its ancestors, not a Tajik!
  33. 120352
    +3
    21 December 2012 19: 45
    But I won't forget the word "Russians"! Because I'm Russian. And there are more people like me than this mud, Tajiks, with smelly socks, the stench from which rushes through the soles. And Russians don't go to the Russian march. We have enough to do without it.
    And this abomination - to RISE! DESTROY!
  34. anchonsha
    +4
    21 December 2012 19: 51
    Thank you, Alexadr, for opening your eyes. We have a saying - do not do good to another, it will return evil. They rebuilt Central Asia, as did the Baltic states to the detriment of central Russia, and were left to blame for them all.
  35. +2
    21 December 2012 19: 57
    There are no Russians ?! Victim of unsuccessful abortion. Here he is.
  36. 120352
    +1
    21 December 2012 19: 59
    And how would the address and telephone number, as well as the number of the machine of this superarian? It’s hard for him among people, it would be necessary to deceive ...
  37. andrey903
    +1
    21 December 2012 20: 13
    Throw the main rabbi out of Russia
  38. +2
    21 December 2012 20: 17
    Excellent article Sasha! As Sparrow RESPECT and RESPECT said! good
    It will be necessary to throw this human rights activist on the soap!
    Well, or at least a link to our site. Let them read what the people here think. bully
  39. tajik
    +5
    21 December 2012 20: 43
    In every nation there are stupid people. This is one of them in our country. Or a Relative of a zas (l) anny for a well-paid job.
  40. +2
    21 December 2012 20: 44
    And I propose to send this article to Putin, he loves them, let him rejoice, but I am for forcibly expelling them from the territory of the Russian Federation.
    And this Tajik would be in the face to give what kind of Russian he is, he is an immigrant who has lost fear.
  41. 0
    21 December 2012 20: 46
    I really liked the opinion of V.V. Pozner on this topic.
    As you know, he is a citizen of Russia, the USA and France.
    In France, if you ask an Arab or a Turk - WHO IS IT, he will answer - FRENCH!
    If the states ask the same question to an American of Irish or Mexican descent, he will answer - AMERICAN.
    And only in Russia, if you ask us - who are we - RUSSIANS, TATARS, CHECHEN!

    WHY IS THAT?!

    This is the path to the abyss ...
    1. sleepy
      0
      22 December 2012 05: 43
      Who speaks Russian is a provocateur.
      Correct to say - local and visitors.

      And also from the Internet.

      "Therefore, to say in our time that there will be no war, and that it will have some kind of civilized appearance,
      must be very careful.
      And now we will discuss only one question.
      Few people think that after 1991 Moscow became a border (front-line) city.
      It is only 300 km away from the state border.
      In June 1941, the 56th motorized corps of Erich von Manstein covered this distance in just four days. Now, one must think, they will manage for three.

      Suppose the war has begun.
      Naturally, a general (partial) mobilization will be announced.
      Healthy and law-abiding men of Moscow will be placed under arms and will depart as part of compounds,
      units and marching units at operational locations.
      It must be assumed that a significant part of the Moscow police will be called up for the Armed Forces (in the internal troops). Someone must make up units and formations for protecting the rear of the army
      and “hold” the front-line mode.
      In other words, men from the front-line city will go to the front. How else?
      Then the question arises - who will remain in the capital of our country?
      The answer will most likely be the following - old people, women and children will remain.
      And several million "non-residents", not citizens of the Russian Federation.
      These include migrant workers now ... "
      1. sleepy
        +4
        22 December 2012 05: 54
        Who speaks Russian is a provocateur.

  42. +2
    21 December 2012 20: 46
    Karomat Sharipova under white pens and to their historical homeland ..... Employers of migrant workers to tighten penalties and control (and to all who feed on this)
  43. +4
    21 December 2012 21: 12
    And if we say no jokes, the "Official Army", which has proliferated for some time, is to blame for all this mess. After all, look who and how many people feed on migrants.
    -Technic-supervisor of the management campaign (Provided a basement for living).
    - Director and accountant of the management campaign (they give 2-3 lists for painting, money is given out, one at a time).
    - Minor shit from the district councils, they get kickbacks from the directors of campaign managers for turning a blind eye to this mess.
    - Federal Migration Service, these are generally clowns in vests.
    - Cops who are not involved in law enforcement, but in collecting tribute on the migration routes of migrants.
    All these streams gather in large streams and go higher and higher. Therefore, I think that to end the mess, we need political will. But it is not, because everything is very sweet.
    Well, here is an example. When a conflict occurred with rodents, they were cleared within 3 days. Transport aircraft were taken out. Even Srakashvili then screamed about the violation of human rights and did not accept these boards. But they did the same. And now they’re not doing it, because all this bureaucratic 3,14 brotherhood is very sweet.
    1. Lexeich
      +1
      22 December 2012 03: 09
      Well done Garrin, wrote everything correctly. Just add to this list almost ALL Moscow stores, in which even cashiers are poor-speaking immigrants from the SA. You will no longer see a Slavic face behind the counter in Moscow. What shops - a few months ago, even in the clinic under the Presidential Administration, they appeared. And the Slavs sit at home without work, and they don’t give birth ... which pleases our rulers
      1. sleepy
        +4
        22 December 2012 05: 57
        "Chechen terrorists entered the premises of Nord-Ost through a gay club,
        whose owners were influential Chechen ...
        "In the basement of the DK GPZ, where the hostages are now, a gay club Central Station-2 was opened in September this year. The owner of the club is Chechen Ilya Abaturov, and the co-owner is the notorious Ruslan, husband of Christina Orbakaite."
        On that day, this small note made a real collapse of the Internet.
        No one believed that the casket of the Nord-Ost opened through a gay club.
        Before the opening of the club, repairs were made in it, for which, of course,
        the Chechens needed building plans and communication schemes. "

        http://blog.fontanka.ru/posts/120566/
  44. Adel
    +3
    21 December 2012 21: 13
    after the collapse of the USSR, the countries of Central Asia went into the Middle Ages and a generation of illiterates appeared that arouse the hostility of the local population. what migrants do as they say dirty work, there is no such job as a cleaner builder, etc. it’s just corruption of officials and construction companies that hired unskilled workers and builders ultimately suffer from local workers. hard workers who work for a meager salary. and the fact that migrants, in the person of the chairman criticizes and shakes the rights, we are not interchangeable, must be silent and do their work directly and live according to local laws

    after the collapse of the USSR, the countries of Central Asia went into the Middle Ages and a generation of illiterates appeared that arouse the hostility of the local population. what migrants do as they say dirty work, there is no such job as a cleaner builder, etc. it’s just corruption of officials and construction companies that hired unskilled workers and builders ultimately suffer from local workers. hard workers who work for a meager salary. and the fact that migrants, in the person of the chairman criticizes and shakes the rights, we are not interchangeable, must be silent and do their work directly and live according to local laws
  45. +2
    21 December 2012 21: 35
    It seems that this pepper did not happen further than Moscow and St. Petersburg. He would come to us in Magnitogorsk and look like at 7.00. Run the storm tram to get to the checkpoints. Probably everyone in a hurry for rent.

    And another question is what part of Tajikistan’s GDP is sent from Russia by its countrymen ????
  46. patriot2
    +2
    21 December 2012 21: 49
    And so the situation with migrants from Central Asia, to put it mildly, is poorly controlled by officials, so Sharipov is not enough.
    They should be allowed only with a s / passport, after opening a ruble account for 50000 rubles and after passing a 2-week quarantine in filtration "guest border sanitary reception centers" with the provision of educational documents and after passing an exam in minimal knowledge of the Russian language. Something like how states do with Mexicans and other non-citizens of the states - and let them just say that we are violating (like them) someone's civil rights and freedoms.
    Therefore, welcom to Russia!
    Well, the border needs to be kept locked so that they do not crawl along the goat paths.
    Immediately 90% will drop out: criminals, drug dealers, semi-literate, chronically ill!
    1. +1
      21 December 2012 22: 15
      Quote: patriot2
      And so the situation with migrants from Central Asia, to put it mildly, is poorly controlled by officials, so Sharipov is not enough.

      Not true. Officials just encourage this situation and control. God forbid a "penny" will slip by. They've got it all.
  47. +1
    21 December 2012 22: 09
    One thing I don’t understand is why they cannot do what they do here? Looks like a brain is not enough. Well separated, wanted independence, get it. He doesn't seem to understand that while there are Russians, who can drive them like donkeys and show them what to do, they work poorly. Drive us out and everything will turn into their feudal world. And I know a lot of Russians who work for the same money as they do. They are where the money is, and money is only in large industrial cities, and even then not all. Was in Izhevsk and that, the local janitors and excavators and salary less than want to receive "Moscow Tajiks". Moscow is not all of Russia. I would have traveled around Russia before driving bullshit. And the worst thing is that within their own community there are wolf laws.
  48. +1
    21 December 2012 22: 13
    Tajik industry Climber - one works, three hold - this is of course already a classic. But I hear about Tajik divers digging 60 meters underground and water for the first time. Perhaps they will soon reach the cosmic distances.
  49. xan
    0
    21 December 2012 22: 17
    powerfully pushed Tajik
    if in Russia they would follow the words in the USA, he would smoke bamboo the next day after the interview or eat nasvay in Tajikistan, in my opinion this is one of the few advantages of AI.
    the question is, when do we begin to be pulled into the glow of democracy?
    1. sleepy
      +3
      22 December 2012 06: 02
      “Representatives of the creative intelligentsia have worked hard in whipping up anti-Russian hysteria in all the republics of the former USSR. Poetess Gulruskhor Safiyeva was particularly distinguished in this field in Tajikistan.
      At the age of 20, she joined the CPSU, headed the press sector of the Tajik Komsomol, at 24 she received a membership card of the Writers' Union of Tajikistan and 10 years later became the secretary of the board. During Perestroika, Safiev turned from a staunch communist into a fiery nationalist and Orthodox Muslim.
      At rallies of the "Islamic-democratic" opposition, the poet made anti-Russian speeches, lamented about "my beautiful dark-eyed Motherland scolded by the northern barbarians", called the Great Patriotic War "the Russian meat grinder where the Tajiks were driven", predicted that "the hour of reckoning has come, and let the blood wash away the Russian mud".

      Against this background, the position of the local criminal authority Sangak Safarov looked very remarkable, saying: "Whoever touches even one Russian will deal with me!"

      Safieva, with the outbreak of the civil war, left Tajikistan and settled in Moscow, is published on the pages of the newspapers of the "northern barbarians", including the official "Rossiyskaya", conducts creative evenings ... "

      https://radosvet.net/4331-genocid-russkix-belaya-kniga-pamyati.html
  50. Ares1
    +1
    21 December 2012 22: 21
    What about the rest, then, if this one is so "advanced"? This is gon, so gon. He's probably on the sly from hard drugs to nasvay. Tries to tie, but fails. Yes ... How many "wolves" do not feed ... but the RUSSIAN BEAR is still thicker! How will he give a horseradish in the forehead - it will not be enough for anyone!
    1. 0
      22 December 2012 00: 48
      Quote: Ares1
      What about the rest, then, if this one is so "advanced"? This is gon, so gon. He's probably on the sly from hard drugs to nasvay. Tries to tie, but fails. Yes ... How many "wolves" do not feed ... but the RUSSIAN BEAR is still thicker! How will he give a horseradish in the forehead - it will not be enough for anyone!
      Gon then he gon, but it becomes "boring". They always thought - a janitor, a digger .... Khrenushki, they are slowly beginning to fill other niches, such as a private cab driver, girls-saleswomen .. Moreover, if one oslotrakh gets a job as a loader in a store, you see, in a couple of months - the whole village is already here.
      And about the nasvay, half a year ago, all the knuckles on his fingers were stripped about the face of such a "taxi driver". He stood at the store, waited for his wife, and parked in front of them bombed from these. So in 10 minutes a chump made a puddle from the car window. Nauseous already. So I "cured" from increased salivation.
  51. Gray-haired
    0
    21 December 2012 22: 21
    Hey, moderator! Didn’t you eat fish soup there? In the side right menu read: Take time to be dad today - It will take time to be dad today
    FIMD out more.
    What kind of crap is this? Searches for dads in the US states. Are you overheated? Perhaps I’m mistaken and ready to apologize, but on such a site there are also US dads. The paragraph is complete.
    And here is this site itself, which you bookmarked in the menu: http://www.fatherhood.gov/.
  52. 0
    21 December 2012 22: 27
    He still doesn’t want to work, but talks about justice.
    1. Gray-haired
      +1
      21 December 2012 23: 23
      You are wrong. All others are obliged to pay this guy back for his stay in Russia. And he, as a slave owner, is obliged to worry about the slaves, because their relative well-being is the key to his high income. Consider his daily work. Travel to construction sites, no, settling illegal immigrants - no. Collecting tribute from them is his daily job. Well, in the evening - Moscow is at his service along with girls, taverns and casinos. Plus security and orphan cars. This is not envy - this is a statement of facts. He imagines himself BAM, that on he is not allowed in his homeland, because he is from some slave clan. But here, in Moscow, he was able to sit on the neck of his compatriots and is now “fighting” for their rights, with their own money. Well, he’s such a jackal, but that’s customary among them. True, this one thought that he grabbed the Lord by the beard and climbed onto the pages of newspapers. Most likely he will die of the flu with a brick in his head.
  53. +2
    21 December 2012 22: 49
    Some kind of advertisement for cheap slave labor!
    Since all the construction sites were filled with Tajiks, the quality of what was built has not just fallen............. it has disappeared altogether!!! If Russia needs migrants from Asia, then those who will work with their heads
  54. +1
    21 December 2012 23: 24
    And who forces these emigrants to look for work not at home? Not our system. We just don't go to work for pennies. And for them these pennies are a joy, since the exchange rate is 1:6,49. And they simply don’t have work there. So they go to Russia
  55. +2
    21 December 2012 23: 39
    It's true: it won't go for 12. But for 000, I would go. However, they are not paid.

    What an “analyst” he is, he made me sweat! What would have happened to Russia if not for the Tajiks? Sharipov should apologize, you don’t have to apologize, but just hang on
    your homeland.
    But I would like to dwell on the phrase of Alexander Romanov for 12000, but for 24000 he would. You, Alexander, are mistaken, you would go for 12000, but they don’t pay them. I'm talking about all of Russia, except Moscow. Wages in Moscow and in Russia are two completely different things, incomparable. But you forget about this and this is no less annoying than Sharip’s conclusions.
  56. +1
    22 December 2012 00: 04
    They do the hardest and dirtiest work: construction, cleaning, digging 60-meter wells for oligarchs


    - Chief, the well is ready, but it’s not clear why there’s a light bulb at the bottom...
    - Idiots!!! (turns over the drawing)
    - It should have been a LIGHTHOUSE!!!
  57. bart74
    +2
    22 December 2012 00: 05
    Somehow I clashed with Romanov.
    Or rather, he imagined that this was his site.
    He is a luminary here and generally a hillbilly.
    Although we don’t know who he is in life with such a “Russian” surname.
    But now in this article I agree with Sasha. The article is written in accessible language and academically verified. My twenty-five pluses, Comrade “Marshal” to you!
    1. +1
      22 December 2012 01: 03
      Quote: bart74
      But now in this article I agree with Sasha. The article is written in accessible language and academically verified. My twenty-five pluses, Comrade “Marshal” to you!

      I will support you. You can't just keep quiet anymore. Expansion is taking place, still quiet and creeping, but expansion.
  58. +1
    22 December 2012 00: 21
    Quote: piratehnik
    Maybe we can take some measures? Shall we make restrictions on the entry of citizens (for example, 100 thousand and that’s it)?

    Not so long ago, Ms. Vasilyeva demanded a cook, a housekeeper, and then a hahal...
    It seems that if you do as you rightly call, all of Moscow will demand the same through the courts.
  59. +2
    22 December 2012 00: 30
    Normal article. Defends the interests of his nation. And we must defend the interests of our nation. According to the law, systematically and firmly. When our laws begin to work (we still have to clean up the corrupt people there), the howl will rise to the skies. And fuck it... It is also necessary to ban/restrict the entry of pregnant women, and if you are planning to give birth here, pay for all services in full. Well, or present the bill to Churkabesiya. So that in the future they themselves would sterilize them at the border.
    1. Atlon
      +1
      22 December 2012 07: 09
      They will give birth here for money. There are international agreements, and Russia participates in them, which give rights to those born in a particular territory to automatically obtain citizenship. This is an idea of ​​gay European toleranceists, and we do a lot like Europe. We see the European result. This will happen to us too... If measures are not taken.
  60. +3
    22 December 2012 00: 31
    Let them argue with me, but I think that the issue is not the Tajiks and other migrants, but the issue is the wild greed, the immeasurable greed of Russian oligarchs, nouveau riche and officials who mercilessly exploit migrants, do not contribute to pensions, income, and insurance. They pay them pennies. Therefore, Russians do not have decent work with decent pay. The existing regime acts only mainly in the interests of the bourgeoisie, and not in the interests of working people. For the rednecks, there are sweet speeches about the authorities’ concern for social equality, increasing GDP, and the fight against corruption. With the existing socio-economic formation, with the presence of the socialist memory of older, weaker generations, nothing good will come of it. The regime and the people are separated, and in fact, the first deliberately or naturally sets the natives against the migrants and vice versa. In this way, superheated steam is released, and the puppeteers remain on the sidelines.
  61. fenix57
    0
    22 December 2012 00: 35
    Everything I wanted to say has been said. Congratulations on the end of the world!
    1. 0
      22 December 2012 01: 22
      Quote: fenix57
      Congratulations on the end of the world!

      And on this optimistic note, going out and broadcasting, I can’t help but share. Today, instead of the end of the world, I observed a most beautiful natural phenomenon. My windows look out onto the forest, in the forest there is a river (a river, it’s loudly said - a stream) called Serebryanka. In winter, it does not freeze, because it is fueled by leaks from the heating network, and naturally it steams. So, today, on a frosty, sunny day, I watched a rainbow above it. But usually, a rainbow is an arc, and this one was a pillar - from Earth to Sky. The beauty is extraordinary.
      1. Atlon
        0
        22 December 2012 07: 12
        Quote: Garrin
        The beauty is extraordinary.

        Is there really no camera at home?!
        1. 0
          22 December 2012 14: 49
          Quote: Atlon
          Is there really no camera at home?!

          Yes, I grabbed it right away, but the batteries turned out to be discharged, unfortunately. My wife clicked on the phone, but it didn’t work. It's a shame.
  62. DERWISH
    0
    22 December 2012 02: 48
    PLUS to the author! I SUPPORT
  63. sashka
    0
    22 December 2012 03: 22
    I am Russian from Uzbekistan.. For me this TOPIC is not very pleasant.. WHO decided that EVERYONE is stupid?? Not a FACT..However, I BUILT Airplanes.. What are we “producing” now? The word AvtoVAZ? someone will translate it into Russian.. Try it.. It will be funny..
  64. +2
    22 December 2012 03: 30
    I read this confession of a Tajik drug lord.
    Such a race can only be posted on all sorts of online publications.
    I personally believe that there should be a visa regime with the Central Asian republics, just like with any other foreign state.
    Do you want to leave sunny Dyushchanbe for snowy Moscow?
    No problem getting a job offer. Come to the Russian Embassy.
    Apply for a work visa.
    1. sashka
      +1
      22 December 2012 04: 30
      That’s right..Only the Russians don’t know about it..Two years to “receive” citizenship.Weak..?
  65. paanvl
    +2
    22 December 2012 04: 37
    They don't come here to work......! For every employee, a dozen more family members come....
  66. +1
    22 December 2012 05: 14
    sashka,
    That’s right..Only the Russians don’t know about it..Two years to “receive” citizenship.Weak..?

    Those who wanted to left long ago.
    Citizenship and entry of foreign citizens to work in the Russian Federation are two different things.
    1. 0
      22 December 2012 07: 09

      Who wanted to leave long ago

      Not so simple. A friend in Mexico met Russian emigrants from Central Asia. It’s easier to go there than to Russia. And here is a repost of my own comment from August 2011
      The problem is serious. According to the resettlement program in our region, a bit more 2013 Russians from abroad are planned to be relocated to 500, while the quota for migrant workers is more than 1500 per year.
  67. sashka
    +2
    22 December 2012 05: 16
    Here’s how to understand Russians are not welcome in Russia..I know from myself..And Tajiks are Welcome..It’s a shame..
  68. +1
    22 December 2012 05: 24
    I don’t want to dwell on personalities, but I think that Russia needs to build more serious and friendly relations with its southern neighbors as quickly as possible. Otherwise, it will have to deal with completely unfriendly neighbors, with whom such “sworn” friends of Russia as Afghanistan, Iran, etc. will immediately begin to be friends. And this headache will be stronger than the current one, with migrants. And the main thing is that you don’t need to invent anything. Introduce a normal visa regime, including work visas. And the responsibility for knowing or not knowing the Russian language among labor migrants is left to the employer. I don’t think that for “controlling a broom” this issue is critical, but on a construction site, where understanding safety rules comes first, using a common language is necessary.
  69. +1
    22 December 2012 05: 29
    Give them colonies. Not the fucking Tajiks, but straight up the British, put their feet in their mouths. But why are we foaming so much? Just say I’m Russian, everything means a Nazi. We need to wake up the people, wake them up.
  70. +1
    22 December 2012 06: 54
    Myth, don't wake up when it's quiet.
  71. sleepy
    +1
    22 December 2012 07: 00
    Islam is a more progressive religion.
    Buddhism is based on other principles, and therefore can be considered a worldview.
    Once I read in 2000 the book "Fury" by Yuri Nikitin, in which the author considered the idea of ​​the Islamization of Russia.
    Let me remind you that in 2000 the problems in Russia were different, and about the dominance of visitors strikebreakers,
    who for some reason are called "gastro-beaters" - there was no such dominance of visitors with their own mentality.
    But this book emphasized that there is Islam, but there is a misunderstanding of Islam among those who profess it.
    Now they come to Russia with their concept of Islam.
    At one job, the superintendent had problems with visitors on a religious basis.
    Somehow he could not stand it, bought the Koran in Russian and, having read it, he was surprised to understand
    that the visitors apparently did not read the Koran.
    Poking his nose into the book of those workers who could read in Russian, he achieved more,
    than by threats of dismissal and even earned respect from the rest.

    The problem is that the so-called black Khazars go to work.
    Let me explain: Abdullah from the movie "White Sun of the Desert" is a White Khazar, his subordinates are Black Khazars.
    From time immemorial, the White Khazars (this is a simplified scheme for understanding the essence) led the blacks.
    In Russia, the black Khazars are left to their own devices and basic instincts awaken from their permissiveness.
    Hence the problems - visitors They don't respect the locals.
    1. sleepy
      +1
      22 December 2012 07: 04
      I once talked about it in the comments on a topic
      “Strategic aircraft were cut up in Ukraine” to please the West.
      The work to eliminate Ukraine's strategic aviation was financed from funds allocated by the American government under the agreement “On providing assistance to Ukraine in eliminating strategic nuclear weapons and preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction,” signed on November 25, 1993 between Ukraine and the United States. In 2000, the agreement was extended until December 31, 2006.
      In 1996 - 1999, the leadership of Ukraine eliminated 29 strategic missile-carrying aircraft (10 Tu-160, 19 Tu-95MS) and 487 Kh-55 cruise missiles, which were in service with the Ukrainian Air Force].
      In the comments they cried about the planes, someone even wrote that his plane was like a family member to him (he also cried).
      He was answered by one, say “Vasya”, who wrote that if something threatened his member, then “Vasya” ...
      And if there had been an order from the higher authorities for liquidation, then this “Vasya” would have watched the sawing of the strategists with these authorities and those who smiled joyfully. And when they wrote to him about the Oath, “Vasya” replied that the Oath was for the service and defense of the Motherland, and not for executing the orders of such leadership. And even if after this “Vasya” would be considered a terrorist and thrown into..., “Petya”, “Sasha” would take his place...
      A priori, there would not have been such an order for destruction, taking into account such “Vasya”.
      Try to guess what religion this “Vasya” professes, considering that everything was cut up.

      From the Internet.
      “What added bile to what was happening was the fact that the Americans paid for the death of “TU”: 11 million dollars and a guillotine for cutting metal were provided by the Pentagon...
      at the airfield near Poltava, everything is now controlled by specialists from the United States, and the Tu-22 M3 strategic bomber is more often called in the American manner - “backfire”, according to the NATO classification....
      Some of them went to the cemetery of the dead planes, to the open-air museum, and the rest completely turned into scrap metal as a pile of unnecessary iron.
      Museum plaques now look more like tombstones: next to the date of the first flight, it remains to write today’s date - the day when the last Ukrainian bomber capable of carrying missiles with nuclear warheads was destroyed.

      Sergei Anishchenko, First Deputy Commander of the Ukrainian Air Force: “Very conflicting feelings, both for me and for everyone here. But we are all with you. After all, people are civilized and we understand that maintaining heavy bomber aircraft in modern conditions is very expensive and useless.”

      The procedure is worked out to the smallest detail, The sentence is carried out by an American company. In a matter of minutes, people in bright protective overalls and respirators deftly dismantle an aircraft stripped of all equipment and weapons.

      Doug England, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense: "Today is a very important day... I believe that eliminating these types of weapons is a progressive step for all of humanity."

      The Tu-22 M3 supersonic long-range bomber has no analogues in the world. He, according to the military, could deceive radars and escape at speed from the missiles pursuing him. It could, by changing the shape of its wing, spread above the ground even at a height of ten meters. Easy to operate and extremely durable.

      Everyone who had ever flown on this machine or at least seen flights came to see off the bomber on its last journey.
      Former pilots, technicians and squadron commanders remember him with kind words.

      The “Thunderstorm” was turned into 80 tons of metal, which will be sent for re-melting in the near future. Only the very tip of the nose of the defeated bomber is demonstratively sawed off. This souvenir is for the United States delegation.".
      1. sleepy
        0
        22 December 2012 07: 24
        Once I talked on one site in the comments on the topic:
        “In Ukraine, strategic planes were cut to please the West.
        Financing of the liquidation of strategic aviation of Ukraine was carried out at the expense of funds
        allocated by the US government under the agreement “On Assisting Ukraine in the Elimination of Strategic Nuclear Weapons and Preventing the Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction”,
        signed November 25, 1993 between Ukraine and the United States. In 2000, the agreement was extended until December 31, 2006.
        In 1996 - 1999, the Ukrainian leadership eliminated 29 strategic missile carriers (10 Tu-160, 19 Tu-95MS)
        and 487 Kh-55 cruise missiles in service with the Ukrainian Air Force. "
        In the comments, they cried about airplanes, someone even wrote that his plane was like a member of his family (he also cried).

        He was answered by one, say "Vasya", who wrote that if a member of his family was threatened,
        then "Vasya" did not cry, but would defend himself at any cost.
        And if there was an order from the higher authorities to liquidate, then this one would be "Vasya" and with this administration ...
        and those who smiled happily while watching the cut of strategists ...
        And when he was reminded about the Oath, then "Vasya" replied that the Oath is given to serve and protect the Motherland,
        and not for the execution of orders of such a leadership, which he would cease to respect.
        And even if after this “Vasya” would be considered a terrorist and thrown into..., “Petya”, “Sasha” would take his place...
        A priori, there would not have been such an order to destroy aviation, taking into account such “Vasya”.
        Try to guess what religion this “Vasya” professes, considering that everything was cut up.

        From the Internet.
        "What added bile to what was happening was that the Americans paid for the death of “TU”:
        The Pentagon provided 11 million dollars and a guillotine for metal cutting ...

        At the airfield near Poltava, everything is now controlled by specialists from the United States, and the Tu-22 M3 strategic bomber
        more often called in the American manner - "backfire", according to the NATO classification ....
        Some of them went to the cemetery of the dead planes, to the open-air museum, and the rest completely turned into scrap metal as a pile of unnecessary iron.
        Museum plaques now look more like tombstones: next to the date of the first flight, it remains to write today’s date - the day when the last Ukrainian bomber capable of carrying missiles with nuclear warheads was destroyed.

        Sergey Anishchenko, First Deputy Commander of the Air Force of Ukraine:
        “Very conflicting feelings, both for me and for everyone here. But we are all civilized people and we understand that maintaining heavy bomber aircraft in modern conditions is it's very cumbersome and useless».

        The procedure is worked out to the smallest detail, The sentence is carried out by an American company.
        People in bright protective overalls and respirators in a matter of minutes cleverly butcher a plane devoid of all equipment and weapons.

        Doug England, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense:
        “Today is a very important day ... I’m sure that the elimination of such weapons is a progressive step for all of humanity.”

        The supersonic long-range bomber Tu-22 M3 in the world has no analogues.
        He, according to the military, could deceive the radars and escape at speed from the missiles chasing him.
        Could, changing the shape of the wing, spread above the ground even at a ten-meter height.
        Easy to operate and extremely durable.
        The “Thunderstorm” was turned into 80 tons of metal, which will be sent for re-melting in the near future.
        Only the very tip of the nose of a defeated bomber is pointedly cut off.
        This souvenir is for the United States delegation."
        .
        1. sleepy
          0
          22 December 2012 07: 40
          PS After making changes to the post dated 22.12.2012/07.04/XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX
          the computer froze, and then two options appeared on the page at once and neither of the options could be deleted sad
          I wrote in the line “Report a violation of site rules” so that the first option would be deleted,
          but it turned out that it is not possible to write about yourself according to the site rules.
          I would be grateful if someone would write in a line
          “Report a violation of site rules” so that my first post would be deleted.
          Best regards, Sergey.
  72. +1
    22 December 2012 09: 00
    Of course, we are tolerant of other nations, but there is no need to fight either. They are newcomers, they don’t understand that they slaughtered and drove out the Russians there, and now they themselves have come here. Russians, Tatars, Chuvashs and other nationalities, we all live here together and don’t remember who is what nationality, and if you poke your nose in, call yourself that and do that, then you can get screwed!
  73. TAGIR
    +1
    22 December 2012 12: 17
    They just don’t need to be allowed to crowd together - then they become bolder and greyhound. The Russian so-called smart-ass businessmen themselves are to blame for everything. Why would they hire a local and even pay taxes for him? The state needs such businessmen, as the law says, to withdraw 850 thousand rubles for each illegal immigrant...
  74. +1
    22 December 2012 15: 07
    Let me put it metaphorically, “Ravshan” is also “Ravshan” in Africa.
  75. sergskak
    0
    22 December 2012 19: 17
    Russians are mostly rentiers: “Russians all stay at home. And those who have money don’t even live in Russia
    This is a real chump!!! That is, he knows everything about the Russians?! All the suckers, they drink and wait only for such a chump to come and sweep here. But I live in Mother Russia and your brothers just annoy me!! !Crime is all over the news. And I support our youth, who simply fuck them.....t!!!
  76. Marek Rozny
    +4
    22 December 2012 23: 16
    In general, if someone in Kazakhstan blurted out something like that, he would instantly be asked to leave our country. Moreover, this applies not only to poor migrant workers from the south, but also to citizens of the Russian Federation or the West. They don't stand on ceremony.
    (If you caused an accident or vomited while drunk on the street, they will most likely warn you, and the second time they will send you home). Exactly a month ago, a Russian was deported from Pavlodar, who stupidly constantly appeared on the streets drunk. Once they warned, the second time, the Russian ignored it - well, now he will never get to Kazakhstan again (although he even applied for KZ citizenship). Last year, an American friend of mine was deported for not informing the Kazakh authorities that his wife in America had filed a lawsuit against him. This year, 2012, the captain of the capital’s hockey team (Canadian by nationality) was expelled from the country because his wife blogged about the famous Kazakh corruption. Our authorities decided that she had gone too far.
    Not a single Kazakh citizen would think of beating or insulting migrant workers and tourists, but they wouldn’t be allowed to indulge either.
  77. 0
    25 December 2012 14: 12
    Why aren’t they so smart, hard-working and wonderful in every way... not going to build them?

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