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Damaged BDK "Olenegorsky Gornyak" put in dry dock in Novorossiysk

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Damaged BDK "Olenegorsky Gornyak" put in dry dock in Novorossiysk

Damaged during a naval attack drones BDK "Olenegorsk miner" put in a dry dock in Novorossiysk for further repairs. This is reported by Russian and Ukrainian resources with reference to satellite images.


As already reported, on August 4, the Olenegorsky Gornyak large landing ship, which was on the roadstead of Novorossiysk, was attacked by a Ukrainian unmanned boat, as a result of which it was damaged. The BDK with a large list to the port side was towed to the port of Novorossiysk, where it stood for several days, waiting to be sent for repairs.

According to satellite imagery, the landing of the BDK in dry dock was carried out on Tuesday, August 8th. The ship was towed to the dock, brought into it and the water was pumped out. Now experts are determining the degree of damage received, on which the timing of the return of the BDK to service will depend. Previously, they should not exceed three weeks.


BDK "Olenegorsky miner" is a large landing ship of project 775. A series of BDK of this project was built in 1974-1985 at the shipyard "Stochni Polnochni im. Bokhaterev Westerplaty" in Gdansk, Poland. The ship became part of the Northern fleet in June 1976. He is able to take on board 12 tanks either 17 armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, as well as 250 paratroopers. The autonomy of the BDK swimming is 6 months.

In early February 2022, a large group of BDKs from the Baltic and Northern Fleets arrived in the Syrian Tartus, after which they were transferred to the Black Sea, just in time for the start of the special operation. The group included: BDK "Pyotr Morgunov", "George the Victorious", "Olenegorsky miner", "Korolev", "Minsk" and "Kaliningrad". The ships took part in the amphibious landing in the Sea of ​​Azov, as well as the transfer of military equipment to Berdyansk.
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  1. kebeskin
    kebeskin 9 August 2023 12: 40
    +37
    But how cheerfully they reported that during the attack of naval drones on Novorossiysk everything was successfully repulsed. There are no buildings and no destruction.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2023 14: 19
      +8
      Quote: kebeskin
      But how cheerfully they reported that during the attack of naval drones on Novorossiysk everything was successfully repulsed.

      Well, they recaptured it ... without specifying what.
      On the other hand, our KR and UAVs are shot down in the same way 100% successfully - by warehouses, barracks and equipment. smile
      1. Borik
        Borik 9 August 2023 14: 44
        +2
        Autonomy of navigation of the BDK - 6 months

        If it is loaded only with food and fuel, then it is possible that it will last half a year at sea.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 9 August 2023 15: 38
          +4
          Quote: Borik
          Autonomy of navigation of the BDK - 6 months

          If it is loaded only with food and fuel, then it is possible that it will last half a year at sea.

          Even VIKI gives autonomy of 30 days, without specifying whether with or without landing! And the landing force 775 can take up to 340 people if the l / s of the ship is relocated to the BP. This is done when moving to the landing area for up to 3 days. But the author does not know about this. Yes
          1. sifgame
            sifgame 9 August 2023 22: 01
            -1
            Wiki is of course a very authoritative source for finding objective information.
      2. Toorik
        Toorik 10 August 2023 01: 35
        +1
        it makes sense to bomb the barracks if the rocket reaches before the air raid is turned on ... during the air raid, the personnel leave the barracks and the location ... infa from the other side ....
      3. Saburov_Alexander53
        Saburov_Alexander53 10 August 2023 19: 51
        0
        Not a great loss ... Until there was a land corridor around the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, these large landing ships brought weapons and BP to Berdyansk. And now they need to be hidden away, why did he even go to the raid of Novorossiysk and expose himself to a blow? It seems that our command finally refused the direct appointment of the BDK with the landing of infantry on the enemy coast. Yes, and few BDKs of the Black Sea Fleet remained afloat for a year and a half of the NWO. Just as airborne assault is suicidal in modern warfare, so is naval assault no less so. What is called, NWO landed everyone .... request
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 9 August 2023 12: 40
    +5
    Damaged BDK "Olenegorsky Gornyak" put in dry dock in Novorossiysk
    . The Black Sea Fleet, the eternal sufferer ... is he such a karma, or what ???
    1. your vsr 66-67
      your vsr 66-67 9 August 2023 12: 49
      +20
      Quote: rocket757
      Damaged BDK "Olenegorsky Gornyak" put in dry dock in Novorossiysk
      . The Black Sea Fleet, the eternal sufferer ... is he such a karma, or what ???

      Well, at least not forever. The Black Sea Fleet has glorious pages of history! You shouldn't be talking about the Black Sea Fleet.
      But with the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet is not always lucky! And do you know why? Because it's warm there! And which admiral of the fleet will send his godfather, matchmaker, brother to the Northern Fleet or Pacific Fleet? Of course, in the Black Sea Fleet! And whether there is an ability to lead the fleet or not, this godfather, matchmaker, brother is a third matter! The main thing is to have your own man in a warm place, where the admiral of the fleet himself can have a good time on occasion! laughing
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 9 August 2023 12: 59
        +10
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        And which admiral of the fleet will send his godfather, matchmaker, brother to the Northern Fleet or Pacific Fleet? Of course, in the Black Sea Fleet!

        In Soviet times, getting to the Black Sea Fleet was a problem. They served in the Northern Fleet, worked, sailed the seas, and rested in the Black Sea Fleet and retired there.
        1. Ady66
          Ady66 9 August 2023 13: 19
          +12
          So they were called "resorts" all their lives in the Navy))))
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 9 August 2023 13: 30
          +1
          Quote: carpenter
          rested at the Black Sea Fleet

          For example, I got right after school, and I saw Sevastopol with my own eyes only after 4 years, because I didn’t climb out of the battlefields and from the seas! In Soviet times .... and you, I apologize where and by whom you served, why do you understand fleets like that?
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 9 August 2023 13: 20
        +1
        No one disputes the glorious deeds of the Black Sea Fleet ... perhaps it is the most belligerent of all the others.
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        Because it's warm there!

        Several times I wanted to write about this to everyone, but somehow I don’t want my friends, former Black Sea people, to beat me.
        Sailors, they are such specific guys ..... soldier
        1. wladimirjankov
          wladimirjankov 14 August 2023 17: 53
          0
          No one disputes the glorious deeds of the Black Sea Fleet ... perhaps it is the most belligerent of all the others.

          fucking fighter! Everything glorious about this fleet is in the distant past. How could it be so mediocre to lose the flagship Moscow, the BDK in Berdyansk? Now, under the Novorossiysk "Olenegorsky Miner" set himself up. It looks like they simply banally missed the attack of a home-grown drone fireman, which can be destroyed from an ordinary rifle. But for this we must not sleep, but look at both. And there is a problem with that. What can I say, if enemy UAVs flew over the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet and dropped grenades on it. The airfield in Belbek with an open warehouse of aerial bombs was allowed to be bombed. The impression was that this fleet was a mess and the situation there was not controlled.
      3. Wbond
        Wbond 9 August 2023 13: 23
        -1
        ... a resort in a word ... further down the list is Baltic .... there is also enough chaos ...
      4. Serg65
        Serg65 9 August 2023 13: 26
        +1
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        But with the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet is not always lucky!

        Can you tell me more about the kumov thieves commanders of the Black Sea Fleet .... and preferably by last name ???
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 August 2023 14: 36
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          Can you tell me more about the kumov thieves commanders of the Black Sea Fleet .... and preferably by last name ???

          Greetings! hi
          Will the unsinkable Philip Sergeevich Ivanov fit? wink
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 9 August 2023 14: 51
            +1
            Have a nice one you too! hi
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Will the unsinkable Philip Sergeevich Ivanov fit?

            what And to whom citizen Oktyabrsky, I apologize, was a godfather?
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Unsinkable

            still sunk and even twice! wink
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 9 August 2023 15: 13
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              And to whom citizen Oktyabrsky, I apologize, was a godfather?

              Ivanov was dragged from pre-war times by Kuznetsov - he directly wrote about this.
              I knew F.S. Oktyabrsky for a long time. During my command of the Pacific Fleet, he commanded a formation of torpedo boats in the Pacific Fleet and then was promoted to the post of commander of the Amur Flotilla. When in the summer of 1939, after the appointment of Vice Admiral I.S. Yumashev as commander of the fleet in the Far East, it was necessary to nominate a candidate for the Black Sea Fleet for the post of commander, I suggested Rear Admiral F.S. Oktyabrsky. This met with no objection, and his appointment took place.

              Quote: Serg65
              still sunk and even twice!

              But it popped up every time. Moreover, in a situation in which his successor / predecessor lost his rank and was demoted to squadron commander, Comrade Ivanov remained with his own people and sat out the wrath of the IVS as commander of the Amur flotilla (the largest flotilla, comparable in strength to the fleet).
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 10 August 2023 07: 48
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Ivanov was dragged by Kuznetsov from pre-war times

                Alexey, let's remember the pre-war situation! Who did Ivanov replace in the Black Sea Fleet .... Yumashev, and Yumashev from the chief of staff, how did he become a commander? And where did the previous commander of the Smirnov fleet go, and how many commanders were in front of Smirnov and where did they go? Yumashef replaced Kuznetsov at the Pacific Fleet, and whom did Kuznetsov replace at the same Pacific Fleet? And who do you order to put on the fleet? And you yourself know that from the age of 38 Kuznetsov, to put it mildly, did not like Ivanov! Personnel hunger forced to turn a blind eye to many things, the same Gorshkov ... in the 38th brigade commander and not even shot, and after 4 years already the commander of the army !!! Here Gorshkov in career growth is really indebted to Kuznetsov!
                Ivanov is more likely to be crossed with Levchenko, and through him with Voroshilov!
        2. your vsr 66-67
          your vsr 66-67 10 August 2023 05: 53
          -2
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: your vsr 66-67
          But with the leadership of the Black Sea Fleet is not always lucky!

          Can you tell me more about the kumov thieves commanders of the Black Sea Fleet .... and preferably by last name ???

          Have you been banned in Google? laughing
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 10 August 2023 07: 51
            -1
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            Have you been banned in Google?

            Those. your language is like a pomelo, but how they took it by the bells, so immediately shout "Google help?"
            I don’t need Google, I spent eight years at the Black Sea Fleet!
      5. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 9 August 2023 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        Because it's warm there! And which admiral of the fleet will send his godfather, matchmaker, brother to the Northern Fleet or Pacific Fleet? Of course, in the Black Sea Fleet!

        Well, in Soviet times, maybe so, but the nephew graduated 4 years ago, there was a real option to get to the Black Sea Fleet, like most on the course, he didn’t want to go to the Black Sea Fleet, there salaries are much lower, with housing - worse, year after year ... compared to the Pacific Fleet and the Federation Council .. and if it’s about prepension, it’s also a question if it affects the size of the pension ..
    2. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 9 August 2023 12: 50
      -2
      just the Black Sea Fleet wants a new BDK pr.11711 Cayman at the Pacific Fleet - squeeze out
      from the beginning, they did not save the SRK Liman - the Pacific Fleet squeezed the SRK pr. 18280 Ivan Khurs
      then the cruiser Moscow got into a storm - the frigate pr. 22350 Isakov will not reach the Northern Fleet
    3. pin_code
      pin_code 9 August 2023 13: 18
      +1
      BDK from the Federation Council. Was on a combat mission.
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 9 August 2023 13: 24
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      The Black Sea Fleet, the eternal sufferer ... is he such a karma, or what ???

      The only warring fleet for today .... probably yes, karma!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 August 2023 13: 43
        0
        Nobody argues... nothing happens where nothing happens at all, with those who do nothing. There are no victories without defeats, but all the same, annoyance gnaws.
    5. Zhan
      Zhan 9 August 2023 13: 34
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Damaged BDK "Olenegorsky Gornyak" put in dry dock in Novorossiysk
      . The Black Sea Fleet, the eternal sufferer ... is he such a karma, or what ???

      Yes, not karma, but the usual sloppiness. Was it really difficult to set up mesh booms? Even at a speed of 45 knots, with such a weight, the fireship will not pass through them. Wrong economy.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 9 August 2023 13: 36
        +2
        Excuse me, but can you remind me which fleet was called "behind the eyes": "self-propelled guns"?
      2. AG-76
        AG-76 9 August 2023 13: 42
        +3
        Rather, not saving, but sloppiness and negligence, or, more simply, indifference.
        After the first undermining of the Crimean bridge, no one bothered to install nets and booms, and they waited for "gifts" ...
        Now Novorossiysk and BDK.
        And this is not the last attack.
        The Britons with their dill henchmen are stubbornly looking for "where it's thin", there they "tear" ...
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 August 2023 14: 31
        +5
        Quote: Zhan
        Yes, not karma, but the usual sloppiness. Was it really difficult to set up mesh booms?

        So recently they wrote that they were ... optimized.

        And in general, the joint basing of military and civilians on one bay, and with a civilian port traffic of more than 140 million tons of cargo per year, is heresy in the square. It's not that the BPA can go unnoticed, but even some "Mont Blanc" or "Fort Stykin". And set up a BSZ and organize a screening regime ... then the port can be closed immediately.
        In "Gangut" there was an article on the sinking in 1943 of the KL "Red Banner". In those days, even OVR and large ships were forbidden to be based together - because under the guise of OVR boats, which regularly entered and left the harbor, the enemy could penetrate (which happened).
    6. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets 9 August 2023 21: 46
      +1
      this is a ship of the Northern Fleet ..... but now it obeys yes, the Black Sea Fleet
  3. Mikhail Ivanov
    Mikhail Ivanov 9 August 2023 12: 42
    +13
    Another loss of our Defense Ministry, before that we lost two ships in Berdyansk, not to mention the death of the flagship ...
    Against this background, only today - another attempt to hit Moscow with drones, the explosion of a plant in Sergiev Posad and the explosion of a gas pipeline in the Crimea. No matter what they tell us from TV, but in sabotage activities, the Ukrainian is clearly superior to us. And looking at the weak-willed reaction of our authorities to everything that is happening, confidence in the ability to solve this problem is definitely not added. We need concrete answers and concrete results, not just another red line chatter...
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 9 August 2023 12: 48
      +2
      Technical superiority ensures the variability of solving the tasks set ... it would be time for those who make decisions to look at things more objectively ... "Moscow" is very sorry ...
    2. VladMirU
      VladMirU 9 August 2023 12: 56
      -1
      There is no counterintelligence as such ....... Or someone is preventing her from working.
    3. pin_code
      pin_code 9 August 2023 13: 22
      +1
      It is necessary to change not the chairs and the ass, but to give the ass without any chairs, where such an ass can land.
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 9 August 2023 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
      Another loss of our MO

      what I'm sorry, but who did you lose again??
      Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
      We need concrete answers and concrete results, not just another red line chatter...

      You sit here from morning to evening ... what Are you Ukrainian too? Are you working?
    5. petrol cutter
      petrol cutter 10 August 2023 21: 17
      +1
      "No matter what they tell us from TV, but in sabotage activities, the Ukrainian is clearly superior to us. And looking at the weak-willed reaction of our authorities to everything that happens, confidence in the ability to solve this problem is definitely not added."
      Let me kiss you! Dear you are mine!
      Similar thoughts visit already a year at least. Anchor me in.... Yes
      And this is depressing. Let's face the truth and call a spade a spade.
      The defense shipbuilding plant, which has successfully completed the first part of the defense order for the Black Sea Fleet, has been standing for a month as if it were idle. The last people who are really pulling the case are fired.
      Authorities report maximum load!
      In which place?...
      I've had enough of this bullshit already. And empty talk...
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 9 August 2023 12: 42
    +5
    The team slept through the attack or what? Why didn’t other ships signal an attack. The prostitute is still the same along the way
  5. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 9 August 2023 12: 45
    0
    Fleet - relaxed
    this is a question of protection and control of the surface situation - if the marines do not cope or clog
    let's expand the number of anti-sabotage units of the Navy - they definitely have higher motivation
  6. Valter1364
    Valter1364 9 August 2023 12: 48
    +12
    Considering that there have never been dry docks in Novorossiysk, then yes!
    There were floating docks.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 9 August 2023 13: 23
      +4
      Quote: Valter1364
      Given that there have never been dry docks in Novorossiysk

      This surprised me too!
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 9 August 2023 14: 45
        0
        There are already 3 floating docks there. True, the famous floating dock for ships up to 200 tons (tankers of the Kavkaz-Kuzbass type) is that ... Maybe I'm mistaken and the inhabitants of this beautiful city will correct me ..
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 9 August 2023 16: 04
      +3
      Quote: Valter1364
      There were floating docks.

      I read and thought: where did the "DRY" dock come from in Novorossiysk. Maybe missed something? But no! I looked at the "space" photo and realized - PD and "Deer" in it. Because around the water and a thin thread of the gangway (tank ladder) connects this FLOATING structure with the root of the pier. But the authors are PURPLE on the drum! The main thing for them is to emboss an article. Therefore, dill firebrands will not pump any damage to us! (there are no casualties and destructions!) And then they ask: - Why doesn't the public believe the official representatives of the Moscow Region???
      gloom!!! am
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 August 2023 16: 20
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        I read and thought: where did the "DRY" dock come from in Novorossiysk. Maybe missed something? But no! I looked at the "space" photo and realized - PD and "Deer" in it. Because around the water and a thin thread of the gangway (tank ladder) connects this FLOATING structure with the root of the pier.

        Is there no water on the dock deck? No. So - dry dock! laughing
  7. seamen2
    seamen2 9 August 2023 13: 00
    0
    I hope the commander of the ship was demoted and expelled to a civilian, without a pension. The fleet does not need such commanders.
    Such an example is another science.
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 9 August 2023 14: 23
      0
      In fact, we do not know the circumstances of the battle. This is the protection of the water area. What was the security order? What is the deployment by order, and what is the combat readiness. When the signal about the detection of the enemy was received. In the end, with what fright did the BDK put on guard and was it guarded by order? After all, that's not what it's designed for.
      1. seamen2
        seamen2 9 August 2023 14: 35
        +5
        *Actually, we do not know the circumstances of the battle*.
        Actually enough video. This is a violation of the elementary foundations of the VMP, which are taught to civilian sailors in the 2nd year of the river school.
        And this is a military ship. And the fathers of the commanders could not help but know the list of losses of the ship's composition during the NWO. And knowing this, they almost added the ship entrusted to them to this list. They have no excuses. This is called criminal negligence.
        To drive a civilian in three necks without a pension.
  8. t-12
    t-12 9 August 2023 13: 01
    -3
    A couple of years ago, local commentators poked fun at the idea of ​​a "mosquito fleet". And now this very mosquito / unmanned fleet is successfully operating (unlike large ships that are forced to hide in bases).

    And then there were mosquito / unmanned carriers of "tomahawks":

    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2023 14: 41
      0
      Quote: t-12
      A couple of years ago, local commentators poked fun at the idea of ​​a "mosquito fleet". And now this very mosquito / unmanned fleet is successfully operating (unlike large ships that are forced to hide in bases).

      Because the commentators assumed that the opponents of the "mosquito fleet" would have a normal fleet. And not a floating museum, diluted with three "new" frigates (in fact, another budgetary modernization of the Soviet project 1135, "17th modification of the T-72"© at sea).
      The defense of the bases should be handled by the OVR. And with us, thanks to the efforts of two commanders-in-chief, she rested in the Bose. No, we formally have OVR formations ... only they are understaffed with ships that are still dear Mikhail Sergeevich remember, and even Yuri Vladimirovich.
      1. Alexey Lantukh
        Alexey Lantukh 9 August 2023 17: 13
        0
        Well, when reading a long time ago, Pikul found out for himself that the Northern Fleet made up for the lack of warships, including fishing boats. Why not learn from the experience of the Great Patriotic War. After all, speed is not so important for OVR. Armament is important. And you can arm with small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery and heavy machine guns and surveillance equipment.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 August 2023 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          Well, when reading a long time ago, Pikul found out for himself that the Northern Fleet made up for the lack of warships, including fishing boats. Why not learn from the experience of the Great Patriotic War.

          Because there is no war. And the Soviet civilian fleet, too.
          On what basis will we mobilize private vessels? wink
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          After all, speed is not so important for OVR. Armament is important. And you can arm with small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery and heavy machine guns and surveillance equipment.

          What means of observation? Do we have modular radars and sonar designed to be installed "from scratch" on ships that never had them? Not on paper, but in a series?
      2. t-12
        t-12 9 August 2023 17: 55
        -1
        normal fleet
        And what is a "normal fleet"? Well, say, on the Black Sea? What will be the functions of this fleet? It is safer to shoot "calibers" from aircraft, from the depths of one's territory. Chasing a large fleet of a bunch of small and cheap drones is such an undertaking (it is better to entrust this to small hunter drones). The concealment of large ships is zero (an alien reconnaissance aircraft will see them hundreds of kilometers away).
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 August 2023 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: t-12
          And what is a "normal fleet"?

          First, a full-fledged OVR. Staffed according to the state of more or less modern boats and small ships. And not the IPC built in the 80s of the last century and even more ancient BTShch - in half the amount.
          Quote: t-12
          What will be the functions of this fleet? It is safer to shoot "calibers" from aircraft, from the depths of one's territory.

          For countries on our side of the Black Sea - yes, GLCM is better and cheaper. But there is also a NATO country on the other side of the sea. With a well-known air base with a SBC storage. A covert launch from a short distance has a better chance of success. And in order to fulfill it, you will have to ensure the exit of diesel-electric submarines to the launch area. And then everything is according to the well-known report of Krylov-Grigorovich in 1912. smile
          Plus, from the Straits, you can cover all of Europe with SLCMs, except for Spain and Portugal.
          1. t-12
            t-12 9 August 2023 22: 16
            -1
            To Europe (Berlin, Paris, London, Madrid), rockets fly closer from Kaliningrad. However, if you want to bang around Athens or Belgrade - then yes, it's better from the Straits.

            According to the well-known air base with a SBC storage facility, you need to "secretly launch" missiles from somewhere in Khmeimim, and not from the Black Sea. Although the answer will arrive anyway.

            OVR with boats (crewed and unmanned) - this is the same "mosquito fleet" that they made fun of. Well, maybe some more ultra-small submarines (crew of 2-3 people) and a few auxiliary vessels (supply, hydrography, rescue). What is the rest for?
  9. Last centurion
    Last centurion 9 August 2023 13: 03
    +1
    Well ... over time, there will be no warships of any countries at sea. Only underwater drones and small-tonnage surface unmanned boats will plow. Today, any large vessel is a target for a motor boat with Tartilla, jeepies, arduino and servo. And if satellite communications and solar panels are screwed to this, then this is a system of unlimited range
    1. Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst 9 August 2023 13: 20
      +2
      You are blatantly plagiarizing! wink The film "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" won an Oscar for this phrase and became a classic of cinema. One solid movie somehow failed in half a century. Maybe switch to the Terminator - before his appearance is six years away! (for the uninitiated - the first film takes place in 2029) drinks
      1. t-12
        t-12 9 August 2023 14: 37
        0
        The same surface drone, if it operates without operator commands and finds a target on its own, is essentially a "Terminator".

        And the cinema destroyed theaters a long time ago. How many films did VO readers watch over the past year? And how many times during the same year did they visit the theater?
        1. seamen2
          seamen2 9 August 2023 16: 40
          -1
          *And the cinema destroyed theaters a long time ago. How many films did VO readers watch over the past year? And how many times during the same year did they visit the theater?*
          I love cinemas. last year I watched the thriller * Nightmare Alley * with a girl, in this comedy * Grisha Subbotin *.
          Movie theaters are being destroyed by rising prices for everything. Without them already *can do*, thinks an ordinary family. And where there were queues for popcorn and full halls, today there is silence.
          In addition, I watched an online movie poster over the weekend. So, the films there ... do not arouse interest, to put it mildly. there is no desire to watch what is offered now.
          1. t-12
            t-12 9 August 2023 17: 44
            0
            And where there were queues for popcorn and full halls, today there is silence.
            Well, personally, I'm not too pleased to be in a movie theater filled with people munching popcorn.
  10. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 9 August 2023 13: 05
    +12
    How expensive is dishonesty - a dry dock, three weeks of work to repair the BDK, a ship not doing its job and much more!
    And all that was required was nothing - the team officers to fulfill their direct duties!
    What else needs to be drowned in the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet so that it becomes combat, and not parade?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 9 August 2023 13: 35
      -3
      Quote: Rusfaner
      What else needs to be drowned in the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet so that it becomes combat, and not parade?

      Your personal presence!!! soldier
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2023 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: Rusfaner
      And all that was required was nothing - the team officers to fulfill their direct duties!

      Oh, it's better not to dig here. And then questions will begin - "why did this BDK turn out to be" in an open field "?", "where are the bono-network barriers?", "Where did the OVR look?", "Why is the OVR equipped with ships that went out of all terms without modernization?", " how to ensure the protection of the water area of ​​the base, standing wall to wall with a port with a cargo turnover of more than 140 million tons per year? etc. wink
  11. osp
    osp 9 August 2023 13: 14
    0
    Here we are talking about the Black Sea Fleet.
    He is near the front line, he has been fighting for a year and a half and suffered heavy losses.
    There are some tactics and experience in dealing with such attacks.

    And now imagine that in other fleets.
    In the Baltic, all the surrounding countries are in NATO.
    They will not even let the ships leave the berths - they will shoot them with artillery.

    The same is true in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet - there is a problem of protecting large important surface ships from
    drone attacks and anti-ship missiles.
    It is extremely naive to think that the NATO countries or Japan do not have such good.
    There is, and much more seriously than in Ukraine.

    It is terrible even to imagine the loss of our surface ships in the event of a serious war.
    Many do not even have time to complete any of their tasks.
    We urgently need to solve this problem! in all fleets.
    We don't have many ships to risk.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 9 August 2023 16: 30
      +2
      Quote from osp
      And now imagine that in other fleets.

      Planned BP! The ships go to the BS, the boats - to the autonomy. And, mind you, no one panics. The fleet, unlike the Red Army, did not suffer losses in the first days of the Second World War, although the bases were subjected to massive enemy air raids. And all because Kuznetsov, without asking anyone, introduced a system of readiness on the eve of the war, and on the eve of 22.06.41/1/XNUMX, by his decision, transferred the Navy to BG No. XNUMX.
      Now there are also combat readiness ... Kuznetsov is just not there ...
      1. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 9 August 2023 18: 35
        +1
        Kuznetsov is not there...


        Here you have answered all the questions! And why the Black Sea Fleet is losing ships, and why is it so (to put it mildly) incompetent!
        I do not at all belittle the sailors of the Black Sea Fleet!
        What is pop, such is parish.
  12. Vladimir 290
    Vladimir 290 9 August 2023 13: 22
    0
    That's why I love comments on VO. Well done, they immediately figured out everything and quickly found those responsible for what happened, determined that the commander of the ship should at least be fired (or better, shot) and make other organizational conclusions, even without having information about what actually happened. Along the way, they drew conclusions from the morning drones. I think that before drawing conclusions, you need to know the real state of affairs and the real capabilities of the units.
    But there is a war going on and anything can happen at any moment, and you need to be prepared for this, and in fact, not everything can be foreseen and prevented. First of all, do everything possible so that it does not happen again, learn, including from mistakes, and not shout about the guilt and illiteracy of commanders and superiors.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 10 August 2023 22: 10
      0
      I think that before drawing conclusions, you need to know the real state of affairs and the real capabilities of the units.

      And where do you get this information from? For more than a year, no one is going to present the official version of the death of the cruiser Moskva. Well, yes - citizens must pay taxes, for which, among other things, warships are built, and why then these ships sink without causing any damage to the enemy is none of their business.
    2. wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov 14 August 2023 18: 10
      0
      people judge and draw conclusions from the results. And it is right. Without slovenliness or betrayal, it could not have done here.
  13. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 9 August 2023 13: 38
    +6
    And then when was the dry dock built in Novorossiysk ?!
  14. Factor
    Factor 9 August 2023 13: 42
    +2
    Today in Sergiev Posad, the Zagorsk Optical and Mechanical Plant was blown up.
    The military strategic object was blown again.

    Either sabotage, or BLPA. By the nature of the explosion and destruction, this is clearly not pyrotechnics, a bankrupt company. What the investigators brought there let them find out.
    How many more holes are there in Russia on the border, in the sky, how many Trans-Ukranians have entered for sabotage - a question for the authorities, and how many latent traitors and pests at all levels?
    Where is SMERSH?

    The plant is one of the leading plants of the military-industrial complex of Russia. It is engaged in the development and production of opto-mechanical and opto-electronic devices, in particular, sights that operate in all wavelength ranges day and night. And many other products that our army desperately needs.

    The extent of the destruction is still unknown, but given that the production of optical equipment requires highly precise machines that are contraindicated in shocks and even just concussions, the consequences of this explosion can be very serious. But ZOMZ products are now vital at the front.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 9 August 2023 14: 09
      -1
      In the same place as the USSR. It is impossible under a different political and economic formation to demand Soviet methods.
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 9 August 2023 14: 14
      0
      Where is SMERSH?

      Alas, in the same place where Comrade Stalin is. And the structure can be called whatever you like, if there is a political will to apply it.
    3. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 9 August 2023 14: 17
      -1
      already reported that the optical-mechanical plant has not been working for a long time and now there is a production of pyrotechnics
    4. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 9 August 2023 17: 28
      -3
      I noticed: When the explosion of the pyrotechnics warehouse, then a huge fireworks follows. In this case, nothing like that. A clear lie from the media. And for what? Need to tell the truth, even though they crap one's pants? The people will be angrier. All the same, basically our people are patriotic.
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 9 August 2023 13: 43
    -1
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    Fleet - relaxed
    this is a question of protection and control of the surface situation - if the marines do not cope or clog
    let's expand the number of anti-sabotage units of the Navy - they definitely have higher motivation

    The system of protecting the State Border has long been broken, including at sea. In the USSR, there were Marine Units of the Border Troops of the KGB of the USSR, which carried out exactly the control of the surface situation that you are talking about. To solve these problems, the naval units had quite worthy anti-ship missiles, they could even fight submarines, operational cooperation was organized with the USSR Navy, and it worked. At present, there are no Marines of the PV, there is an inept Coast Guard armed with rubbish, painted like a girl in a brothel, so that they can be seen from afar, p-d-urks (this is me about those who decided on such a coloring of warships) , galoshes that have neither speed nor decent weapons, but they look beautiful in parades, and on fishing of the leadership of this Coastal underprotection. As the son of my colleague, who is now in the Far East, on the border, told me, for obvious reasons, I will not indicate the place of service, and so he said that the Coast Guard is a fish guard, only in uniform, and with weapons. Imitation, profanity - this is the style of government in all areas, until this style is broken, and this can be done by a completely different person and not the one that we see every day in a box, everything will continue like this. And indeed, the Eurofuhrer will be right that he will destroy the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. With such a Supreme Commander, we will see what we see. Inability, lack of knowledge, and as a result, unwillingness to delve deeply into the problems of the Armed Forces, the Navy, war as a phenomenon, and problems for the country lead to such results.
    Stalin, when he was informed about the illegal production of the ZIS-3 artillery gun, immediately said that it was a masterpiece of design thought, or something like that. The head of the USSR deeply delved into the issues of the defense industry, and he had information from the state security agencies, their units responsible for the defense industry clearly tracked the processes, and provided objective information to the top leadership of the country. It was this system that made it possible to win. The system that has been formed now will never allow victory to be achieved .... sad
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2023 14: 57
      +3
      Quote: Radikal
      To solve these problems, the naval units had quite worthy PSKRs, they could even fight with submarines,

      In theory. In practice, equipment not related to the direct tasks of the MCHPV was practically not used.
      Quote: Radikal
      operational cooperation with the USSR Navy was organized, and it worked.

      Uh-huh ... how it worked was described on the Bigler: when trying to transfer contact from the MCHPV to the Navy, it suddenly turned out that the KGB and naval officers did not match anything - neither the frequency, nor the breakdown of maps, nor the code tables. In general, while they were sorting it out, they lost contact.
      Quote: Radikal
      At present, there are no Marines of the PV, there is an inept Coast Guard armed with rubbish, painted like a girl in a brothel, so that they can be seen from afar, p-d-urks (this is me about those who decided on such a coloring of warships) ,

      And these are not warships. Their task is not to destroy the enemy. Moreover, each case of drowning a detainee is a huge hemorrhoid along its vertical, and even with the involvement of the Foreign Ministry.
      With the same success, you can lament the lack of camouflage on traffic police cars. smile
      Quote: Radikal
      Stalin, when he was informed about the illegal production of the ZIS-3 artillery gun, immediately said that it was a masterpiece of design thought, or something like that.

      "Illegal production of ZIS-3" existed only in Grabin's memoirs. Which, by the way, does not explain how the plant could illegally, unnoticed by the GAU representatives, produce the same ZIS-3 carriage, which it inherited from the anti-tank ZIS-2. However, after the 5 produced 107-mm tank guns in the memoirs turned into 600 ... what to be surprised at.
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 9 August 2023 20: 21
        -1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        how the plant could illegally, unnoticed by the GAU representatives, produce the same ZIS-3 carriage

        Any plant produced and produces a lot of things unnoticed by the representatives of the GAU. The plant is not subordinate to the military, it only delivers the products ordered by them.
    2. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 10 August 2023 01: 09
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      At present, there are no Marines of the PV, there is an inept Coast Guard armed with rubbish, painted like a girl in a brothel, so that they can be seen from afar, p-d-urks (this is me about those who decided on such a coloring of warships) , galoshes that have neither speed nor decent weapons, but they look beautiful in parades, and on fishing of the leadership of this Coastal underprotection.

      And the Coast Guard, by definition, cannot do anything other than fisheries control and the fight against smuggling. Doesn't work anywhere in the world. In the most powerful fleets, the American and Chinese, the BO ships serve only as a reserve of a strongly non-first line, which are supposed to be re-equipped and replenished with the crew with the outbreak of war. And leave the stories about the sea border supermen to the Soviet propagandists born in 1994. Tell the crew of an anti-submarine ship of any fleet in the world that, in addition to their current duties, they will need "just nothing" to perform border functions.
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 9 August 2023 13: 45
    +4
    If we were talking about an underwater drone or a civilian court, you can still understand. But a surface boat with half a ton of explosive reach the side and rams a warship? At the same time, there is no information about attacks by several boats. In World War II, boats were rarely let in at a distance of launching torpedoes, and in the 21st century they allowed a sea ram as in the days of the ancient fleet!
    And if tomorrow these boats have torpedoes?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2023 15: 00
      +3
      Quote: Kostadinov
      If we were talking about an underwater drone or a civilian court, you can still understand. But a surface boat with half a ton of explosive reach the side and rams a warship? At the same time, there is no information about attacks by several boats. In World War II, boats were rarely let in at a distance of launching torpedoes, and in the 21st century they allowed a sea ram as in the days of the ancient fleet!

      So there is no war. And in the NWO to shoot at every approaching one - here you won’t get enough cameras for commanders.
      Well, this is Novorossiysk - the largest seaport in the south.
      1. DenVB
        DenVB 9 August 2023 19: 54
        -1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And in the NWO, shoot at everyone who approaches

        For some reason, on August 1, near the Bosphorus (where there is intensive international shipping), they were not afraid to shoot at the same boats. Although it could easily be some drunken German tourists on jet skis.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 August 2023 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: DenVB
          For some reason, on August 1, near the Bosphorus (where there is intensive international shipping), they were not afraid to shoot at the same boats. Although it could easily be some drunken German tourists on jet skis.

          200 km from the coast? belay
          On the night of August 1, the Kiev regime carried out an attempted terrorist attack using three semi-submersible unmanned boats on Russian civilian transport ships en route to the Bosphorus Strait in the southwestern Black Sea.
          As follows from the report of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the ships of the Navy that accompanied the sea transport, all the boats were detected and destroyed in a timely manner.
          Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that 340 km southwest of Sevastopol Three unmanned boats of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed, trying to attack the ships Sergey Kotov and Vasily Bykov of the Black Sea Fleet performing the tasks of controlling navigation in the Black Sea.

          The boats were destroyed 340 km southwest of Sevastopol - 180-200 km from the Bosphorus. The Bosphorus was indicated only as a point of passage for ships.
          Prior to this, the attack was on July 25 - and also at about the same distance from the Straits.
          The Ministry of Defense also reported on the attempt of two Ukrainian surface drones to attack the ship of the Black Sea Fleet "Sergey Kotov" on July 25. Then they said that the ship was performing the tasks of "navigation control" 370 km from Sevastopol.
          1. DenVB
            DenVB 10 August 2023 11: 51
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            200 km from the coast?

            What's the big difference? Neutral waters, you never know who swims there. These boats did not raise the Ukrainian naval flag, as far as I know. But the commanders turned out to be not timid and ordered to shoot anyway. Which is correct.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 11 August 2023 11: 03
              0
              Quote: DenVB
              What's the big difference?

              Big.
              A small target near the shore can be anything:
              Quote: DenVB
              Although it could easily be some drunken German tourists on jet skis.

              A group small target 200 km from the coast, going to approach the convoy - these are 95% of the same UAVs, information about which was brought before the exit.
              1. DenVB
                DenVB 12 August 2023 01: 19
                -1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                A small target near the shore can be anything

                What, for example, can be a small target coming from the sea without prior notification to a warship in the base during the war, when everyone is already well aware of the use of kamikaze boats by the enemy? What kind of spoonwash should a commander be to be afraid to shoot in such a situation?

                The watch just yawned. Accept it. It is absurd here to justify oneself with higher considerations.
  17. Motorist
    Motorist 9 August 2023 13: 46
    +2
    According to satellite imagery, the dry docking of the BDK

    According to satellite images, this is a floating dock. Translation difficulties.
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 9 August 2023 13: 50
    -3
    Quote: Rusfaner
    How expensive is dishonesty - a dry dock, three weeks of work to repair the BDK, a ship not doing its job and much more!
    And all that was required was nothing - the team officers to fulfill their direct duties!
    What else needs to be drowned in the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet so that it becomes combat, and not parade?

    A rhetorical question though.... What do you think, do you have any thoughts? bully
  19. nordscout
    nordscout 9 August 2023 14: 42
    +4
    The death of "Moscow", it seems, the Black Sea Fleet did not teach anything .... Relaxing summer, warm sea, holiday season - everything is in the "piggy bank" of gouging, loss of vigilance and an elementary sense of healthy "brazil" ... It seems that the war is going on "where -something there", far away, but here "summer relaxation at sea". And how many losses, losses of personnel and ships do the command of the KChF and the Russian Navy need to restore real maritime order in the heads of sailors, midshipmen, officers and admirals of the fleet? I think that it’s time for the fleet to take off their white tunics and forget the “adrenaline frenzy” of parades, biathlons, and scrupulously engage in combat training and strengthen discipline ... The public will probably never know about the reasons for “getting on board”, but one thing is clear, already, - the notorious "human factor" .... I doubt very much that I let the mat down. part, especially, that from the Kalashnikov concern .... Although ...
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 9 August 2023 17: 32
      0
      Maybe we'd better remember the naval parade in St. Petersburg a week ago. What was it? And why was it?
  20. alystan
    alystan 9 August 2023 16: 06
    +1
    After all, Konashenko, or maybe Shoigu himself, claimed that there was no damage (?!)
    1. Nickelium
      Nickelium 9 August 2023 19: 06
      -2
      You are on Freedom, Union and other ukrosites. There are some crazy stories out there.
  21. acetophenone
    acetophenone 10 August 2023 00: 35
    +1
    Previously, they should not exceed three weeks.
    Well, yes, the ship didn’t capsize for a small one, but they’ll fix it faster than 3 weeks ... In 3 weeks, they won’t even transfer money for repairs.
    Can not! They just can't help but lie.
  22. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 10 August 2023 01: 20
    0
    Crap. Everyone pounced on the poor vessel and its crew. Listen, this is an old landing craft with two even older 57mm cannons, model 1964. These guns are weapons of self-defense. In a normal situation, he should not protect something, but he should.
    1. nordscout
      nordscout 10 August 2023 13: 53
      0
      Dear! Firstly, this is a warship, and the "vessel" is in your buffet .... Secondly, warships die and receive emergency damage not from old age, but mainly from "gouging" and "indifference" superiors and crew ... Marine drones are "very high quality" neutralized by small automatic weapons (automatic, light machine gun) with round-the-clock vigilant monitoring of the water area where you are ... And you wrote well about guns, for self-defense. The BDK, just what was needed, was "self-defense", only they forgot about the round-the-clock surveillance of the acoustic, radar and visual water area ... The Ivan Khurs ship (reconnaissance ship) is an order of magnitude more "civilian" than the BDK, but destroyed a drone from a light machine gun ... But because there is a battle order and organization on the Ivan Khurs ....
    2. wladimirjankov
      wladimirjankov 14 August 2023 20: 47
      0
      at least he had to protect himself from a primitive firewall. It's not a torpedo or a mine. Regular scooter. For the "old" 57-caliber machine guns, this is a very simple target. Women sailors in the Sevastopol Bay stopped them from AK. You just don't need to sleep. And then these BDKs, in addition to these guns, also have other defense weapons. There is also a locator. The impression was that this was a jamb of the crew and the command of the port, which left this non-combat-ready ship in the roadstead. In short, this shameful story only added even more negativity to the spoiled image of the Black Sea Fleet.
  23. Toorik
    Toorik 10 August 2023 01: 56
    0
    in my understanding, the whole problem is that there is no normal satellite data transmission system, because of this it is not possible to use long-range reconnaissance and strike UAVs with a long flight duration, which, in fact, are not either .... otherwise, all unmanned boats could be destroyed on the floor way .... directly in the fighting, there was not very much sense from them (hello to the bayraktars)
    1. nordscout
      nordscout 10 August 2023 13: 57
      +1
      Dear Toorik! All the problems, NOT IN THE ABSENCE OF a normal satellite data transmission system, but IN THE HEADS of the ship commander, senior assistant commander in matters of DAILY organization of service and organization of anti-sabotage protection of the ship ...
      1. Toorik
        Toorik 10 August 2023 14: 51
        +1
        in this case, I agree with the warship, but in addition to warships, civilians also suffer ... if at one time they hadn’t dismissed drones, but invested, as I see it, this could have been avoided
  24. Guketlov_Zaur
    Guketlov_Zaur 14 August 2023 17: 32
    0
    There has long been a good reason to pick up Odessa with Izmail, Nikolaev with and Transnistria