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Japanese myth about nuclear bombings. Threat to Russia

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Japanese myth about nuclear bombings. Threat to Russia
View of the cloud of the atomic explosion in Nagasaki from a distance of 15 km. August 9, 1945



Japanese myth


Japan has its own myth about the end of World War II and the nuclear bombings on August 6 and 9, 1945. It lies in the fact that this is a mournful and mournful date, but the United States is not named as a country that used nuclear weapon. The name of the Americans fell under an unspoken taboo. America, which inflicted two nuclear strikes on Japanese cities, where there were no large military formations, garrisons and military production, is not named. No way. The bombs fell from nowhere. On this occasion, mourning events are held.

Rational explanation? Of course have. This is an allied relationship with the United States. Japan after the defeat became an unsinkable American aircraft carrier off the coast of the USSR, Russia and China. Which remains to this day. Plus a complex of collective guilt, like the German one, which was stubbornly planted after the war and which became one of the main "bonds" of the post-war Land of the Rising Sun.

Apparently, this implanted inferiority complex has become one of the prerequisites for the current mental crisis of the Japanese nation, which is moving into the virtual world and rapidly dying out. Previously, it was a warrior people, a samurai. After the defeat, they were made a victim. Hence the mental crisis of the nation.

American myth


According to the American version, it was the use of nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki that convinced the Japanese military-political leadership that resistance was losing all meaning. Therefore, Japan capitulated, and the United States and its allies avoided heavy losses during the assault on the Japanese islands (hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of soldiers). However, this version is extremely doubtful.

The fact is that the usual massive bombing of Japanese cities (they were mostly made of wood) with the help of strategic aviation led to similar results. So, on March 10, 1945, Tokyo was bombed. About 100 thousand people died, the city was destroyed. That is, with the help of strategic aviation, the Americans achieved the same or even more effective results. Atomic bombs were needed in order to show the Russians and the entire planet that the Americans received a "wonder weapon."

In addition, in the context of the collapse of the command and control system in August 1945, it was difficult to get a complete and reliable picture of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it is impossible to draw strategic conclusions from this.

Much more important events for Japan at this point occurred on the mainland. On August 8, the USSR, fulfilling allied obligations, declared war on Japan. On August 9, the Soviet army attacked the Japanese in Manchuria. In just a week, the Russians broke into the fortified areas of the Kwantung Army, which had been preparing for years, and defeated the millionth Japanese army.

The Japanese headquarters expected that when the enemy began to land troops on the Japanese islands, the main forces could continue to resist on the mainland, in Korea and China. Now there was no such possibility. This was the key reason for recognizing the impossibility of further resistance to the empire. The decision was made to surrender. That is, the entry of the USSR into the war shortened the course of World War II by a year or two. Saved millions of lives, including the Japanese themselves.


Pacific Sailors fleet hoist the flag of the navy over Port Arthur. August 1945

Japanese threat


Naturally, the Japanese leadership is trying to overcome the consequences of the defeat in World War II and get rid of the status of a defeated country. To this end, the self-defense forces, which previously had only a defensive potential, are being turned into full-fledged armed forces with all the capabilities for an offensive war.

On the other hand, Tokyo, even under Yeltsin, raises the issue of the return of the "northern territories." At the beginning, they tried to do it peacefully, since Moscow made concessions. The acquisition of the Kuriles will become the point that will allow us to reconsider the results of the Second World War. Japan will no longer be a defeated country.

Another possibility for Japan is a war with China, another traditional enemy of the Japanese. The reason could be North Korea, the disputed Senkaku Islands, or the Taiwan issue. On the issue of Korea and Taiwan, the Japanese can become part of an international coalition to "appease" China. Actually, the Americans themselves are not going to fight for the Chinese from Fomoza. For this there is cannon fodder like Japan.

Now Japan has a great opportunity to capture the Kuriles. Probably Sakhalin. The main combat-ready formations and units of the Russian army are connected in the western (Ukrainian) direction. The Far East direction after 1991 is extremely weakened.

Attempts to strengthen the eastern direction have been made in recent years, but clearly insufficient. The Pacific Fleet is weak and inferior to the enemy in the number of modern warships. Nuclear weapons cannot be used against Japan, it does not have nuclear weapons.

China will obviously remain neutral, confining itself to condemning Japanese aggression. Plus, it will show red lines, for example, only the Kuriles - no more.

Hence the increase in the aggressive rhetoric of Japanese diplomacy, hostile attacks against Russia, sanctions and support for the Ukrainian regime. With a simultaneous increase in the strike potential of the Japanese Armed Forces.

What to do?

As has been noted more than once: to strengthen the army and navy. Our only allies. It is also time to remember about domestic science, education, culture and the national economy.
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  1. Enceladus
    Enceladus 11 August 2023 04: 15
    0
    According to the American version, it was the use of nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki that convinced the Japanese military-political leadership that resistance was losing all meaning.
    In Tokyo, the usual arranged worse, take Dresden. Not the United States, but the fact that we overturned the Japanese in Kwantung (my grandfather also fought there) - yes, they (the Japanese) could not do anything. It was the defeat of the Kwantung that led to the surrender, and the bombing simply played the role of demonstrating new weapons and a message. Recall plans for the bombing of Soviet cities.
    1. Negro
      Negro 11 August 2023 15: 41
      0
      Quote from Enceladus
      It was the defeat of the Kwantung that led to the surrender

      It is capitulation that the political officers call the "defeat" of the Kwantung Army.
      Quote from Enceladus
      Recall plans for the bombing of Soviet cities.

      There were no such plans for the summer of 45. If the Americans, in principle, thought in this direction, then most likely ChiN would not have occurred at all, and the war on TO ended before Europe.
      1. Enceladus
        Enceladus 11 August 2023 20: 04
        +2
        So all the uranium and plutonium that the United States took out they spent on 1 test + 2 in Japan, the uranium branch was declared insolvent and they began to build reactors for plutonium production. Plans yes - appeared later, I do not argue. But nevertheless, it was a show of strength, because. in fact, they had nothing more to bomb.
        The Kwantung Army, in fact, was defeated - this is not to fight the Chinese, but with several dozen divisions transferred from Germany, which had many years of experience, equipment that, in fact, Japan did not have - all their tanks are ala t2-t3 of the 41 model , which the T34-76 pierced for takeoff ... and I'm not talking about ISs. If on the sea Japan could oppose something else at that time - then on land to us - nothing, from the word at all. So do not confuse cause and effect ... otherwise, from your words, the United States turns out to have won the 2nd World War. For 5 years, they fought in the Pacific Ocean for almost 10 archipelagos. This was not a surrender - the Japanese simply agreed to become a US colony and nothing more. Moreover, the decision was made by the emperor and many units fought both with us and with the United States even after the surrender and more than the Germans had left who did not accept the surrender.
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 11 August 2023 21: 28
          0
          What to do? To make it clear to the Japs that we will work out in the event of their aggression, namely with nuclear weapons. Without mercy.
        2. Negro
          Negro 12 August 2023 00: 22
          +4
          Quote from Enceladus
          So all the uranium and plutonium that the United States took out they spent

          took out? Another Samsonite, whose bosses were fooled by the Anglo-Americans for 6 years, and then in three months they assembled bombs from German spare parts? In addition to all other aspects of this idea, she insults Hero of Labor Beria along with Hero of Labor Kurchatov.

          It took 4 years for the Germans to make a bomb according to proven American drawings from German (Belgian) raw materials.
          Quote from Enceladus
          But it was a show of force nonetheless.

          I am forced to note that even the political instructors did not doubt the strength of the Americans in those years.
          Quote from Enceladus
          The Kwantung Army was in fact defeated

          The Kwantung Army, in fact, did not enter into a clash with the enemy.
          Quote from Enceladus
          If at sea Japan could oppose something else at that time

          There is nothing to catch on the sea of ​​​​the USSR, even against the backdrop of Japan in the summer of 45. Especially in the Far East.
          Quote from Enceladus
          then on land to us - nothing, from the word at all

          If you carry out the defeat of the main enemy forces after his surrender, then this greatly simplifies the matter.
          Quote from Enceladus
          then from your words, the United States turns out to have won the 2nd World War.

          Didn't understand. Is this some kind of news? Samsonov has already tired of writing to you about the damned Anglo-Saxons.
          Quote from Enceladus
          For 5 years, they fought in the Pacific Ocean for almost 10 archipelagos.

          In two years, they rushed half the world. There, the speeds were comparable to the Japanese blitzkrieg of the winter of 41-42. By the way, Europe also moved quite perky.
          Quote from Enceladus
          This was not a surrender - the Japanese simply agreed to become a US colony

          Pretty damn lucky, apparently.
          1. Nickelium
            Nickelium 12 August 2023 02: 00
            -3
            What are you carrying? The Kwantung Army was precisely annihilated by the best army in the world at that time.
            1. Negro
              Negro 12 August 2023 10: 13
              +1
              Quote: Nickelium
              The Kwantung Army was precisely annihilated by the best army in the world

              The best army in the world (here is a long conversation) in the week from August 9 to 16 shot down border outposts and forced marches went as far as possible deep into the territory of Manchuria, bypassing any centers of resistance. If the surrender had been delayed, it could have turned out lousy - supplying tank divisions with aircraft for spacecraft was not a common experience.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 11 August 2023 04: 23
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    Here, japas are played up to the zugunder. Undoubtedly, the Amers are pushing them to such "games". Against Russia, one front in Europe, the other in the East, just a US dream!
  3. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 11 August 2023 04: 30
    +11
    A native of Japan told me that the fact that it was the Americans who carried out nuclear strikes in Japan is not hushed up.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 11 August 2023 06: 35
      0
      There is simply a taboo on the promotion and dissemination of this topic, which does not mean silence, they simply do not talk about it.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 August 2023 05: 44
    +11
    Now Japan has a great opportunity to capture the Kuriles. Probably Sakhalin.
    Author, are you serious? Japan will unleash a war with Russia having nuclear weapons? Even in the presence of such pessimism, it is difficult to imagine that the Japanese, albeit with the moral support of the United States, would today decide on an open war with our country. This may eventually lead to Japan pulling back much stronger than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    1. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 11 August 2023 20: 01
      0
      yes, in fact, the author is purely serious .. and a nuclear power has ALREADY endured a blow to its nuclear triad (and what do you think is a drone strike on an airfield with strategists ??) .. strikes on the capital (continue and will only increase) strikes on a naval base Black Sea Fleet (in the course there are nuclear weapons there) .. and where are these ''red lines'' ??? ..and why Japan won’t be able to capture (return) the Kuril Islands with a sudden landing operation .. and that our GDP will hit (again) nuclear weapons on Heroshima (Nagasaki or still Tokyo) .. someone really believes in his determination ( not in words .. like everyone will die and Russia will go to Paradise) go to the end .. how is the classic .. you can’t trust anyone .. you can trust me ..
      1. Nickelium
        Nickelium 12 August 2023 02: 02
        -2
        Oh god what a stupidity! No one will use atomic weapons for strikes against strategists and even nuclear power plants. But invading one's own territory is another matter.
    2. T.A.V.
      T.A.V. 11 August 2023 21: 56
      -1
      Our nuclear weapons have become a household name. So are the red lines. For the use of nuclear weapons, WILL is needed, which is not observed among those in power.
      They can’t deal with the towers, but here nuclear weapons ...
      1. Nickelium
        Nickelium 12 August 2023 02: 03
        +1
        What are you carrying? Nuclear weapons are not a cheesecake. Rake after him for decades, if not centuries.
        1. T.A.V.
          T.A.V. 12 August 2023 14: 26
          0
          I don't know what you are wearing.
          And if you can’t understand what is written - continue your weekend
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 11 August 2023 05: 44
    +12
    Afftar blew the dust off the "Agitator's Notebook" for the XNUMX wiped year.
    1. AUL
      AUL 11 August 2023 17: 40
      +4
      An article for the sake of an article. What new, hitherto not widely known, did the respected author tell us? Hack...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 11 August 2023 21: 38
        +2
        An article for the sake of an article. What new, hitherto not widely known, did the respected author tell us? Hack...
        This is the traditional note of this author. He is the head of the "History" department at VO. Time to get used to it.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 August 2023 06: 13
    -1
    According to the American version, it was the use of nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki that convinced the Japanese military-political leadership that resistance was losing all meaning. So Japan capitulated...
    However, this version is extremely doubtful.

    Why "doubtful"? The author is so politically correct. This version is a lie. From a military point of view, these bombings had no meaning, only political ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 11 August 2023 06: 53
      +6
      Quote: Doccor18
      From a military point of view, these bombings had no meaning, only political

      Except purely psychological. The emperor was already thinking about capitulation, but had no idea how to present this idea to a people whose genes contain contempt for death and a willingness to fight to the end. And then suddenly a gift literally fell from the sky. Two gifts. So the opportunity arose to say that against such a super-weapon, the katana and the samurai spirit are powerless, it's time to give up. And those were those who believed that it was necessary to fight to the end no matter what. Some did hara-kiri out of resentment.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 11 August 2023 07: 16
        +3
        Quote: Nagan
        a nation that has in its genes a contempt for death and a willingness to fight to the end.

        Well, if so, does it really matter from what "to die heroically"?
        Your logic is questionable.
        The atomic bombings were at the beginning of August, and the Kwantung Army in Manchuria fought almost until the end of August. And only after her surrender, it became clear on the islands that it was pointless to continue.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 August 2023 11: 28
          +2
          Quote: Doccor18

          Well, if so, does it really matter from what "to die heroically"?
          Your logic is questionable.

          The logic is simple. You can fight people, but there is no point in fighting a typhoon or an earthquake. And the destruction of the city with a single bomb was closest to the Great Kanto Earthquake.

          In addition, an absolutely apocalyptic picture loomed before the top of the army and navy. Until August 6, 1945, for the demolition of one city, the Americans had to exert all their strength, organizing a raid of many hundreds of aircraft. Although Japanese air defense could not resist this, they took their pay from the attackers. And now, for the same thing, a group of 5-6 cars was enough. Six instead of three hundred. That is, theoretically, with the same forces that LeMay burned Tokyo, the Yankees could demolish fifty cities instead of one! Moreover, there were no opportunities to distinguish a strike group from reconnaissance or demonstrative.
          Quote: Doccor18
          The atomic bombings were at the beginning of August, and the Kwantung Army in Manchuria fought almost until the end of August. And only after her surrender, it became clear on the islands that it was pointless to continue.

          The surrender was announced on 15 August. And the battles in Manchuria are the costs of the Japanese system of command and control of the armed forces, when the field commanders considered it possible to put the M120x200 on orders at all levels, up to the General Staff (suffice it to recall the circumstances of the delivery of the evacuation order on Guadalcanal or the enchanting actions of the Japanese divisional commanders in the Imphal operation).
          The very initiative of grassroots commanders, in the absence of which some reproach RKKA-41. smile
          1. Negro
            Negro 11 August 2023 15: 32
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The very initiative of grassroots commanders, in the absence of which some reproach RKKA-41.

            In Japan, even the commanders on horseback were so enterprising that not only Comrade Stalin, Truman would not tolerate them. Starting with Yamamoto.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The surrender was announced on 15 August.

            Kwantung 16th local time. Order of the Emperor on the 14th, his address to the nation on the 15th. The decision was made on the 9th, and on the morning of the 10th the Japanese embassy in Switzerland handed it over to the allies.
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 11 August 2023 09: 27
        0
        against such a super weapon
        No one in Japan then understood that this was a superweapon - a nuclear bomb was then beyond understanding - like a galactic translucator laughing . In addition, information about what happened practically did not spread - there were no smartphones then, and the peddlers of rumors were quickly silenced.
        After the nuclear strike, the Yaps did not flinch - MacArthur was already planning a landing operation and was preparing for losses of more than a hundred thousand and was considering the possibility of using chemical weapons. The Japanese built fortifications and planned to take the Kwantung Army to the islands. But her defeat put them before the fact - it's time to dry the oars.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 August 2023 11: 39
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          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          In addition, information about what happened practically did not spread - there were no smartphones then, and the peddlers of rumors were quickly silenced.

          Judging by what was stated in Zero, naval air defense officers received more or less accurate information about what happened in Hiroshima by noon on August 6:
          At 8.15:2, just after the 5 Super Fortresses passed over the city at high speed, there was a blinding flash like fantastic lightning. It was followed by an unexpected booming rumble. In the next few moments, houses throughout the city collapsed. It was like a huge steel fist descended on Hiroshima. Fires started everywhere. Everything was confused. Raging fire and floods of refugees made it impossible to establish contact with any point closer to Kadaiti (about XNUMX miles southeast of the city).

          And on the morning of August 8, Okumiya and Yasui were already inspecting the city.

          As for the rumors... in the same "Zero" there are excerpts from Horikoshi Jiro's diary:
          August 7. Reports say that the enemy used a completely new type of bomb yesterday. We learned that this bomb is incredibly more powerful than any conventional weapon. Yesterday morning she was dropped on Hiroshima. So far, little details are known about the new bomb, but we already know about its terrible impact, human suffering, the death of a mass of people, the destruction of buildings. All this is beyond description. That’s all we know so far.
          1. Negro
            Negro 11 August 2023 15: 09
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            What about rumors

            In some memoirs, perhaps in the same place in Zero, there was evidence that one of the naval officers called his physicists and they enlightened him on this issue on the same day. Moreover, the Americans had previously announced the use of a nuclear bomb.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 11 August 2023 15: 29
              +2
              Quote: Negro
              In some memoirs, perhaps in the same place in Zero, there was evidence that one of the naval officers called his physicists and they enlightened him on this issue on the same day.

              Absolutely right - Okumiya wrote about this in "Zero!".
              The whole thing seemed rather confusing to me. There were no familiar explanations for Vivid Flash and Huge Cloud. I felt something sinister happened. I tried to question the members of the Naval General Staff, but to no avail. No one had the slightest idea what happened in Hiroshima. But there was another institution that could give an answer. I called Captain 1st Rank Yasui from the Navy's Aeronautics Division.
              I described to him all the details that Captain 2nd rank Hiroki had given me. Yasui's answer shocked me. I clearly remember his words: “... it could be an atomic bomb, but I can’t say for sure until I see the city myself ...”

              That is why Yasui arrived on August 8 in Hiroshima.
        2. Negro
          Negro 11 August 2023 15: 23
          +3
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          After the nuclear strike, the Yaps did not flinch - MacArthur was already planning a landing operation and was preparing for losses of more than a hundred thousand and was considering the possibility of using chemical weapons. The Japanese built fortifications and planned to take the Kwantung Army to the islands. But her defeat put them before the fact - it's time to dry the oars.

          You, like the author, are lying.

          The decision to surrender was made on 9 August. Nothing was known about what was happening on the continent - except for the very fact of the attack by the USSR. And it is not surprising: Kherson was hiding from Staver for half a year now, and then even more so. Not only did the USSR at the end of the summer of the 41st not know what was happening in the western part of the country, but let's say a much more adequate Reich during the Overlord kept the group in Pas de Calais for almost a month, waiting for a "real" landing. Of course, this does not bother the Samsonovs: news from Hiroshima 670 km to Tokyo has not yet reached Tokyo since August 6, but the Imperial Council learned about the collapse of the Kwantung Army right on the morning of the 9th, as soon as skirmishes began at border outposts somewhere in the Luxembourg region ( if the local distances from Moscow are counted).

          And this attack had no military significance for Japan. Diplomatic yes, it did.
      3. Negro
        Negro 11 August 2023 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        but he had no idea how to present this idea to a people whose genes contain contempt for death and a willingness to fight to the end

        Here is another problem. After the decision of the Emperor, the people, in the person of their best representatives, tried to kill the Emperor. A funny parallel: in Germany, relatively sane generals tried to blow up a corporal who had gone, and in Japan, the living god himself was, so to speak, a national traitor.
        Quote: Nagan
        then suddenly a gift literally fell from the sky. Two gifts.

        ))
        Yonai, the vice-premier of the government, put it this way: "A gift from heaven."
  7. Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 August 2023 06: 20
    +2
    The Pacific Fleet is weak and inferior to the enemy in the number of modern warships.

    What to do?

    To build up the aviation grouping of the Pacific Fleet and the Eastern District. If ships cannot be built quickly, then planes are completely. Without complete air superiority, the Japanese will not risk getting involved in the Kuril operation.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 11 August 2023 07: 08
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      If ships cannot be built quickly, then planes are completely. Without complete air superiority, the Japanese will not risk getting involved in the Kuril operation.

      And so they build planes as quickly as they can. Even throwing money at the problem cannot solve it; new factory buildings are not built overnight. Again, not a washing machine assembly line where the new kid was shown how to screw in his pair of screws, and off you go. People need to be trained, and for a long time. Well, the components that need to be imported. Of course, the SU-57 is completely secret, but I am ready to eat my words if it does not contain at least imported semiconductors, or even entire boards, nodes, and what else.
      Again, base. There is only one Kuznetsov, and he is in the dock on the Northern Fleet, and the Japanese have several "destroyers" with a through deck, suitable for using the F-35 in the STOVL version. And they will still fly from the mainland or Sakhalin.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 11 August 2023 07: 25
        +4
        Quote: Nagan
        Again, base. There is only one Kuznetsov, and he is in the dock on the Northern Fleet, and the Japanese have several "destroyers" with a through deck, suitable for using the F-35 in the STOVL version. And they will still fly from the mainland or Sakhalin.

        against japs, an aircraft carrier is absolutely not needed - not those distances, there are enough ground airfields .. more precisely, it’s even harmful - large forces are needed for protection, but it’s almost impossible to protect - the distance is too short, anti-ship missiles will reach it from the territory of Japan, and submarines enough of them..
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 August 2023 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          against japs ​​- an aircraft carrier is absolutely not needed - the wrong distances, there are enough ground airfields ..

          What airfields? All three - in Vladivostok, Sakhalin and Kamchatka? wink
          Even the USSR at the peak of its power could not cover the Kuriles - the Flitex-82 with the demonstrative actions of the Enterprise and Midway air groups over the islands of the Lesser Kuril Ridge is an example of this.
    2. Negro
      Negro 11 August 2023 15: 06
      +5
      Quote: Doccor18
      Without complete air superiority, the Japanese will not risk getting involved in the Kuril operation.

      And where will their air superiority go? The Japanese have one of the strongest aircraft in the world, including penguins and F-15s.

      You forgot, it seems that Japan, this country is not 5 times smaller than Russia, but 3 times larger.
  8. Frettaskyrandi
    Frettaskyrandi 11 August 2023 06: 54
    +8
    Japan has its own myth about the end of World War II and the nuclear bombings on August 6 and 9, 1945. It lies in the fact that this is a mournful and mournful date, but the United States is not named as a country that used nuclear weapons. The name of the Americans fell under an unspoken taboo.

    How much can you replicate such nonsense. In order to make sure that the author, to put it mildly, is not telling the truth, just open the Japanese Wikipedia. The modern Internet allows you to read the material in any language.
    The Japanese Wikipedia has several thematic articles about the atomic bombing, including separately for each city. They not only state that the US dropped the bombs, but also describe who developed the bomb, who made the decision to drop the bomb on Japan, and the crews of the planes that dropped the bombs.
    All this information is also available in the museums of the atomic bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a visit to which is mandatory for Japanese schoolchildren.
    Статья об атомной бомбардировке Хиросимы - https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BA%83%E5%B3%B6%E5%B8%82%E3%81%B8%E3%81%AE%E5%8E%9F%E5%AD%90%E7%88%86%E5%BC%BE%E6%8A%95%E4%B8%8B
    1. Scientist
      Scientist 11 August 2023 08: 39
      +3
      However, at the mourning events, NOT A SINGLE person, either directly or indirectly, named the States. At the same time, Russia, which has nothing to do with this tragedy, has been repeatedly named as the main nuclear threat. If this is not taboo, then what is it?
      1. Frettaskyrandi
        Frettaskyrandi 11 August 2023 11: 48
        +1
        However, at the mourning events, NOT A SINGLE person, either directly or indirectly, named the States

        Did you attend these events? Or to you, as in a well-known joke, "Izya sang"?
        1. Scientist
          Scientist 11 August 2023 12: 36
          +2
          Did you attend the excursions of Japanese schoolchildren?
          Here I proceed from the principle of "on the contrary": if at least someone explicitly pointed to the States, this would certainly be in our media. But this is not.
          1. Frettaskyrandi
            Frettaskyrandi 11 August 2023 14: 43
            +1
            Did you attend the excursions of Japanese schoolchildren?

            You won't believe it, but yes. I had to visit Japan, as Lieutenant Rzhevsky said, "repeatedly", and not as a tourist.
            it would definitely be in our media

            Do not tell my horseshoes!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 August 2023 15: 31
          +3
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          Did you attend these events? Or to you, as in a well-known joke, "Izya sang"?

          In our time, when harmful insects are destroyed by sterilizing males, we must raise the level of spore to an abstract height. Let's talk about the fall and rise of Hollywood without seeing a single movie. Let's face philosophers without reading their works. Let's argue about the taste of oysters and coconuts with those who ate them, to hoarseness, before a fight, perceiving the taste of food by ear, color to a tooth, stench in the eye, imagining a movie by name, painting by last name, country by "Film Travel Club ", the acuteness of opinions on the reader.
          © Zhvanetsky
  9. Negro
    Negro 11 August 2023 14: 51
    +4
    I just wanted to write that, compared with the priest-leader Stalin, the Samsonovs were completely lazy. They copy the same game without any changes.

    But then I read up to the Japanese threat and was directly happy for the author. They brought some new inspiration, so to speak.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 11 August 2023 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: Negro
      But then I read up to the Japanese threat and was directly happy for the author. They brought some new inspiration, so to speak.

      It remains to remember the ever-exaggerated "Chinese threat to our Far East" - and it will be possible to paint epic pictures of the Sino-Japanese war for Vladivostok. wink
      1. Negro
        Negro 11 August 2023 15: 46
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        for Vladivostok

        For the Northern Territories, you mean.
  10. HefeDMB69
    HefeDMB69 11 August 2023 18: 29
    +2
    Cho to strengthen it. Need to bang. Cheap and cheerful. And then they got used to paying for geopolitics with the blood of a man. You need to get smarter, save the man. And so he will soon be listed in the Red Book, a Russian peasant.
  11. jaroff
    jaroff 11 August 2023 20: 53
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    Why did the author get the idea that nuclear weapons cannot be used in Japan? In the event of a threat to the state, its territorial integrity, the Russian Federation will use nuclear weapons
  12. the same doctor
    the same doctor 11 August 2023 21: 58
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    Explain why it is impossible to use nuclear weapons in Japan? Again following the false principles imposed on us? And as for the ships of the Navy, God himself ordered and the threat of contamination of the world's oceans should not worry us. Even if we use a thousand warheads, there will be less Curies in the sea than the Japs are planning to drop with radioactive water from Fukushima.
    1. Negro
      Negro 11 August 2023 23: 03
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      Quote: also a doctor
      Explain why it is impossible to use nuclear weapons in Japan? Again following the false principles imposed on us?

      When the 1968 nuclear non-proliferation treaty was signed, one of the initiators of which was the USSR, a number of documents related to it were issued, including a resolution of the UN Security Council of the same shaggy years. According to her
      1. Owners of nuclear weapons guarantee the non-use of nuclear weapons against countries that do not possess them.
      2. In case of such use, other possessors of nuclear weapons are called upon to take measures against the violator of the convention that they deem appropriate.

      But you are partly right. Although it is unlikely that even the current leadership of the Russian Federation will decide on such tricks because of a couple of stones in the sea, the Japanese government will hardly consider it possible to check this. It’s another matter if the samurai reforge back and allow themselves nuclear weapons in the usual or Israeli version, after which, among other issues, the Kuril will be resolved - then D.A. Medvedev will have to be removed from the telegram out of harm’s way, and in the conventional forces of the Russian Federation in the Far East there is nothing to catch.
  13. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 12 August 2023 03: 32
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    it's time to remember about domestic science, education, culture and national economy

    These calls have been heard for a third of a century, if for 30+ years things are still there, then I'm afraid this is the voice of one crying ... in a vacuum.
  14. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 12 August 2023 23: 54
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    two nuclear strikes on Japanese cities where there were no large military formations, garrisons and military production

    "This is again a case of so-called lies" (c).

    Here is a machine translation from Japanese from the wiki article about the bombing of Hiroshima:
    The headquarters of the 5th Army Division was located in Hiroshima Castle, the headquarters of the 2nd All-Army Division * was located west of Hiroshima Station, and around them were the garrisons of each unit. In other words, at that time, the territory north of the epicenter was occupied by army installations, and the epicenter was about 200 meters from the southern tip of the army's territory. In addition, the Army Shipping Headquarters, located at the port of Ujin, was an important base for logistics.

    The city's population at the time of the atomic bombing was estimated at about 350. The breakdown is as follows: (000) about 1 residents, (290) about 000 military personnel, and (2) about 40 people who came to the city from outside the city on business.

    * - this is how the electronic overbrain translated the name of the structure, which in American sources is called the "2nd Main Army", and in Russian sources the "2nd Command". It was an army group of half a million people, defending western Japan (1st command, respectively, eastern).

    As a result of the bombing, most of the top commanders died, the commander, Marshal Khata, miraculously survived (later went to prison for war crimes). The group was beheaded. Also, from 7 to 20 thousand soldiers and officers died (they are usually recorded without hesitation among the dead civilians).

    In addition, in the context of the collapse of the command and control system in August 1945, it was difficult to get a complete and reliable picture of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it is impossible to draw strategic conclusions from this.

    Well, if the Japanese were macaques, then, probably, they really would not have learned or understood anything. A month later, a messenger would have reached the emperor, and reported that a large iron bird had dropped a devil's egg and the city had burned down. But the Japanese were not macaques and even had their own little atomic project. So they understood everything. And to be sure, Truman himself immediately reported on the radio about the use of the atomic bomb. Also, the Americans began to scatter leaflets over Japanese cities with a description of the atomic bomb (it was said that it was equal to 2000 B-29s with a normal load) and calls to evacuate and surrender. The Japanese got such a complete picture that already on the 10th, through neutral Switzerland, they handed over to the Americans a protest stating that a new type of super-powerful bomb had an indiscriminate effect of an explosive wave and radiation on both military targets and the civilian population and buildings, therefore it should be equated to poisonous gases and is prohibited by the Hague Convention(!). A sort of chutspa performed by samurai.

    Already on the 8th, all the newspapers printed about the use of a new type of bomb by the Americans. From the 11th, reporters were allowed into Hiroshima, and descriptions and photographs appeared in the press. Perhaps in order for the people to be horrified and easier to accept surrender.
    1. Negro
      Negro 13 August 2023 10: 19
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      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      On the 10th, through neutral Switzerland, they handed over to the Americans ... A sort of chutzpah performed by samurai.

      The main content of the message on August 10 is the adoption of the Potsdam Declaration (with some reservations). That is surrender. I wouldn't call it crap.
      1. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 13 August 2023 20: 25
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        Chutspa is for the Japanese to remember the Hague Convention.
  15. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 14 August 2023 10: 31
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    In addition, in the context of the collapse of the command and control system in August 1945, it was difficult to get a complete and reliable picture of what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it is impossible to draw strategic conclusions from this.

    On the contrary, the Japanese leadership received a very reliable picture rather quickly. And what a bomb was hit and what was the effect of its use and how it could protect the population, not to mention the army. And this information rather strengthened the determination to continue the war.
    The Japanese headquarters expected that when the enemy began to land troops on the Japanese islands, the main forces could continue to resist on the mainland, in Korea and China. Now there was no such possibility. This was the key reason for recognizing the impossibility of further resistance to the empire.

    Also a false statement. The Japanese rate was counting on the defeat of the enemy on the islands of the mother country. She had a practically untouched 5 million ground army in the metropolis, which could be joined by at least 2 million more from China and Korea and several million militia (terrodefense, as it is now called). Having experienced the war in Korea in 1950-53, it can be argued that the Japanese plan to defeat the American landing force was completely real and feasible.
    Much more important events for Japan at this point occurred on the mainland. On August 8, the USSR, fulfilling allied obligations, declared war on Japan. On August 9, the Soviet army attacked the Japanese in Manchuria. In just a week, the Russians broke into the fortified areas of the Kwantung Army, which had been preparing for years, and defeated the millionth Japanese army.

    The declaration of war on the USSR is the main reason for the surrender of Japan - the only true statement here.
    1. But it must be admitted that the USSR violated the non-aggression pact with Japan. It ended in May 1946 and a notice was required to terminate it. So until May 1946 there was no rightful opportunity to end the pact unilaterally. Of course, international law is a very relative concept. Only the right of the stronger is always strictly respected.
    2. No fortifications in Manchuria were broken into because the Japanese capitulated to this. No need to ascribe to yourself the achievement of feats.
    The entry into the war of the USSR became the main reason for the surrender of Japan, not because of some military miracles in Manchuria, but because of the threat of a communist revolution in Japan. Read Prince Konoe's memorandum to the emperor. There was a real admiration for the Soviet victories in the war with Germany in the army and administration of Japan, and the offensive of the Soviet troops could lead to a revolution with the participation of the army and the state apparatus.
    Because of this real threat, the United States accepted the preservation of the emperor's power and his lack of jurisdiction. And the revolution led to the punishment of the emperor and the change of the state system in Japan, which happened in North Korea, which was part of the metropolis then.
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 14 August 2023 15: 09
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    It was an army group of half a million people, defending western Japan (1st command, respectively, eastern).

    In Hiroshima, there was only the headquarters of this group of the army - several thousand people of tail and staff personnel, including prisoners of war. No combat units were beaten there at all, and none of the front-line soldiers or sailors were injured in Hiroshima.
    As a result of the bombing, most of the top commanders died, the commander, Marshal Khata, miraculously survived (later went to prison for war crimes). The group was beheaded. Also, from 7 to 20 thousand soldiers and officers died (they are usually recorded without hesitation among the dead civilians).

    1. You can't decapitate a faction if its leader is alive and well. Moreover, none of the commanders, officers and soldiers of the army and division subordinate to this headquarters beat in Hiroshima and did not receive even a scratch. There were no losses of weapons either.
    2. No one recorded the dead soldiers among civilians, but there were few soldiers and officers (less than 7 thousand), and non-military service personnel, including women, were beaten among the dead headquarters and tila personnel.
    In Nagasaki, the injured military personnel are only a few dozen people. In general, for the multimillion-dollar Japanese ground army, losses from atomic bombs are insignificant and unbelievable.
    3. Comparatively large civilian losses only due to the suddenness of the use of new weapons. They did not pay any attention to the discovery of a single aircraft which was mistaken for a reconnaissance aircraft. In Nagasaki, several hundred people who went to ukritia did not suffer losses almost under the epicenter of the explosion (height 400 meters). The number of victims during the next bombings could be reduced tenfold with the use of existing ukritia.
    Damage to equipment in enterprises was also superficial and easily eliminated.
    4. The US did not have a supply of bombs. Until the end of 1945 they could deliver 2 more, and the whole next 1946 another 10-12. The population and industry of Japan had already been dispersed, with the exception of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Kokura and Kyoto.
    5. Carriers of nuclear weapons - a single specially equipped B-29 hit extremely vulnerable. Armor and defensive weapons were shot to increase the ceiling. The probability of losing the carrier along with the bomb was very high during subsequent strikes.
  17. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 August 2023 09: 00
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    I watched a video of some of our guys who lives in Japan. He interviewed two Japanese schoolgirls. He also asked the question - who dropped nuclear charges on Japan. The Japanese women were even offended - the Americans, of course! This is one of the most important dates in our history, how can we not know this?!
    What the authorities trend at the official level and what they teach their citizens are very different in Japan...
  18. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 August 2023 11: 00
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    He also asked the question - who dropped nuclear charges on Japan. The Japanese were even offended - the Americans, of course! This is one of the most important dates in our history, how can we not know this?!
    What the authorities trend at the official level and what they teach their citizens are very different in Japan...

    And on August 6, I also watched an interview taken with Japanese adults on Bulgarian television and they said that the Americans threw atomic bombs for the benefit of Japan because they "stopped the war and saved the lives of millions."
    And Churchill himself then said that nuclear weapons were the second coming of Christ and God himself handed him over to the Anglo-Saxons.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 15 August 2023 11: 15
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      It's true. "For the good of Japan", such comes across. But no one says that we dropped bombs! Or that no one knows who did it. In general, I have the impression that the Japanese harbored a grudge. They just kept it. In the east, so) And the United States should somehow stumble ...
  19. Red Hunter
    Red Hunter 16 August 2023 10: 03
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    The Japanese, of course, can try to land on Sakhalin, but what will prevent our long-range aviation from starting to use missiles with nuclear warheads against them? One hit of the X-22 / X-32 megaton head is enough to send to the bottom or seriously damage the entire enemy warrant, led by a landing helicopter carrier. A couple of dozen of these missiles will wipe out the bases of the Japanese Navy, military airfields and headquarters. If even after such strikes the Yapis do not come to their senses, then you can begin to equate them with R-29RM missiles - they will still be written off along with the Dolphins. And no one will stick for the Yaps, because the price for this will be measured in hundreds of millions of corpses