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There are footage of the alleged attack by a marine drone large landing craft "Olenegorsky Miner"

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There are footage of the alleged attack by a marine drone large landing craft "Olenegorsky Miner"

The network published footage of the alleged attack by sea drone located on the roads near Novorossiysk large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner". The footage was allegedly taken with a camera from one of the marine dronesinvolved in the attack on Novorossiysk. On the footage, you can see that the drone managed to come close to the port side of the vessel, the outlines of which coincide with the outlines of the Olenegorsky miner large landing ship.


According to a number of sources, as a result of the defeat of the left side of the BDK by a marine drone, one of the compartments of the vessel was flooded, which caused the roll. The ship is already at the base. Repair work will take about three weeks, after which the Olenegorsky Gornyak large landing ship will return to service.




Earlier, the American television channel CNN aired a story about the secret base of the Ukrainian Navy, where sea attack drones are being tested. Surface drones themselves were also demonstrated. The length of the drone is about five meters. It is stated that such maritime attack drones are capable of carrying up to 300 kilograms of explosives, while moving up to 800 kilometers at speeds up to 80 kilometers per hour.

However, most likely, only the bodies of these drones were made in Ukraine. All electronic filling is supposedly supplied to Kyiv by the West. In addition, the West provides navigation support for maritime drones and provides satellite intelligence data.

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  1. ZhEK-Vodogrey
    ZhEK-Vodogrey 4 August 2023 12: 50
    +75
    The Lao fleet is completely untrained. The watch overslept this trough. AK was not even deployed in the direction of the attack. The ship was on the road. There are no boom barriers. This type of ship has a tank landing hold in the place where the strike fell, on the other hand, powerful pumps are installed there and the ship is adapted to receive water. That's why the ship stayed afloat.
    1. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 4 August 2023 12: 52
      -50
      You got the wrong place. The Lao fleet is in Laos.
      1. Simple
        Simple 4 August 2023 12: 56
        +65
        So direct criticism is now punishable, tk. automatically translated into "describation".
        And so the "army of Laos" - everything is clear to everyone.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 4 August 2023 13: 06
          -15
          we have like in the 90s raider seizures - The Black Sea Fleet is pushing ships
          SRK pr.18280 Ivan Khurs was supposed to go to the Pacific Fleet - the Black Sea Fleet deliberately drowned Liman with inaction
          Frigate pr.22350 Isakov was supposed to go to the Northern Fleet - the Black Sea Fleet was drowned by inaction during the transportation of the Republic of Kazakhstan pr.1164 Moscow
          now, they are again squeezing out inaction on the protection of the BDK pr.775 at the Pacific Fleet is new - BDK pr.11711 Vladimir Andreev
          1. Barmaglot_07
            Barmaglot_07 5 August 2023 14: 10
            0
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            we have like in the 90s raider seizures - the Black Sea Fleet is squeezing ships

            It does not "squeeze out" but "leads to its native harbor."
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 4 August 2023 12: 58
      +25
      ZhEK - Water heater. The Lao fleet would stand on a "box", here progress is just a ship adrift, waiting for permission to enter the bay. Where did the news come from that the Olenegorsk miner served as a patrol ship? To be honest, I thought that he was in the Kerch Strait, between the shores of the ferry roam back and forth. And it’s like that. I have been sounding the alarm on the Black Sea ports of Russia for a long time on the site. And what. Maybe it should have been done silently, so that later it would not be so embarrassing.
      1. ugos
        ugos 4 August 2023 13: 10
        +43
        They are not at all ashamed, they are ashamed only the first time, and then they get used to it, some even like it.
        1. Egeny
          Egeny 5 August 2023 08: 25
          +10
          Something needs to be changed in the "conservatory", because the top can no longer, and the bottom does not care.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 4 August 2023 13: 19
        +2
        Absolutely right, everything was painted on the points.
        1. ZhEK-Vodogrey
          ZhEK-Vodogrey 4 August 2023 22: 11
          +26
          Quote: Sith Lord
          all points

          In this case, the number of attacks accumulated, which eventually turned out to be quality.
          You can't play defensively for two years.
          "Hydrocycle" could not reach the Crimean bridge and Novorossiysk from Izmail.
          So it was launched from a civilian carrier. And where is the intelligence support? Where is the control of distant frontiers? Where is the patrol semi-ship at least? He has a radar, unlike the BDK. Why is the BDK in the sea near the base for the second year of the NWO, if it does not carry troops, is the most interesting question. Should tasks be closed? How to raise the eyelids of the admirals of Laos, explain that the NWO is coming. If you stand on the defensive, the enemy will pinch off a small piece, which he does.
          After the success of these drones, there will be hundreds of them.
          1. Mikhail Ivanov
            Mikhail Ivanov 5 August 2023 03: 56
            +10
            To understand the problems of our fleet, it is enough to read an old article on Kompromat, where the situation with theft, nepotism and family ties was described in black and white. For now, we are just summarizing the consequences of leading a fleet in this style... Alas...
            1. Escariot
              Escariot 5 August 2023 07: 11
              +15
              These are not the problems of our fleet, these are the problems of our entire country as a whole.
              1. Wizzzard
                Wizzzard 6 August 2023 12: 00
                +2
                And they did not appear yesterday ... Like our field marshals with tons of orders ...
          2. smart ass
            smart ass 5 August 2023 12: 19
            0
            And why is there a shopping mall 70 km from the island of a snake, if it does not hunt aug?
      4. Petr_Koldunov
        Petr_Koldunov 4 August 2023 14: 01
        +40
        Quote from Reindeer
        Where did the news come from that the Olenegorsk miner served as a patrol ship?

        Yes, it doesn't really matter. Even if he was not on guard or on patrol, but was simply waiting for his turn to enter the bay - does that make a difference? Has the watch been canceled on warships of the Navy? Shouldn't watch officers watch the water area around the clock, ensuring the safety of their ship, regardless of what function it performs at the moment?
        1. old
          old 4 August 2023 14: 25
          +12
          Shouldn't watchmen watch the waters around the clock with all eyes?

          Watchmen with their eyes open were sorted into frigates and patrol ships.
    3. Ax Matt
      Ax Matt 4 August 2023 13: 15
      +22
      The fleet is Honduran, but the deer are mountain. Everything is as usual. We sleep and dream that we won and everything is calculated for us!
    4. Reindeer
      Reindeer 4 August 2023 13: 17
      -8
      If water entered the hold, the ship would not receive a roll. Powerful pumps are a means of combating flooding, but they are in no way connected with structural unsinkability (one-two-three-compartment unsinkability). If the ship is adapted to receive a large amount of water, is it possible that everything that happened in general is normal operation? o_O"
      Your knowledge of hull construction and seaworthiness is impressive, please continue :)

      PS I read the comments - poultry farming in all its glory :)
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 4 August 2023 13: 27
        -8
        admirals of the Black Sea Fleet want to squeeze the new BDK from the Pacific Fleet - everything is as always - the military prosecutor's office on the ground is understandable - they ordered to shut up (!)
        but where they look in Gen. headquarters (?) - also "under a glass" - "they decided everything" - they adjusted the State Armaments Program according to their whim (?)
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 5 August 2023 07: 14
          +5
          In the near future, the BDK will not be able to pass into the Black Sea. Moreover, several BDKs have already been squeezed out under the SVO, incl. and Olenegorsk, which is assigned to the Server Fleet.
    5. trophy
      trophy 4 August 2023 13: 56
      +22
      But what parades, feast for the eyes and goosebumps.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 14: 38
        -25
        The parade was held in the Baltic, there was no parade in the Black Sea. No need to make inappropriate comparisons.
        1. next322
          next322 4 August 2023 16: 41
          +11
          The Black Sea Fleet parade was held in Novorossiysk, just in this bay ........
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 5 August 2023 12: 20
        +8
        The Minister of Defense of Laos is a great specialist in parades !!!
    6. Wildcat
      Wildcat 4 August 2023 14: 39
      +23
      From the very first attack, where during the day 30 mm cannons were repelled from boats, even at the VO the question was discussed that something like "a thermal, a stabilized cannon and a separate control console" was needed, like a Rheinmetall 20 mm bulk gun.

      But we don’t and won’t have this, even the VO is full of experts praising the 14,5 mm pedestal mount with the AiBall Mark1 sight and with a drive in one sailor force.

      As for the "watch overslept", what do you mean? What did the standard radar detect such an inconspicuous target? Or that the black boat, which was watching with the eyes of a black night, did not see it and did not hit it with a pistol (okay, machine gun)?

      And in general, everything is not very good in Laos, but everything is fine with us, here is the parade (especially the youth girls are good):

      https://youtu.be/S1ezXXL64HY
      1. Evgeniy68
        Evgeniy68 4 August 2023 15: 14
        +3
        The ship has searchlights that can illuminate the sea.
      2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 15: 15
        -29
        Just like that, as a rhetorical exercise. What would they do to you in 1941, would you undertake to criticize the parade on Red Square with the same zeal? After all, there were more than enough grounds for criticism then.
        1. Mishka78
          Mishka78 4 August 2023 15: 32
          +32
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          Just like that, as a rhetorical exercise.

          Same question, by the way. As a rhetorical exercise.
          Could Stalin continue to supply resources to Nazi Germany in 1941 and have trade relations with them?
          Could Stalin, Voroshilov, Molotov, well, or anyone in general, make a deal to "extract" Field Marshal Paulus to a warm hotel, well, let's say, Italy?
          Could the leadership of the USSR complain to its people that the vile Hitler deceived them and did not let, say, a convoy with lend-lease into the country, etc.? and so on.

          The difference is that in 1941 the country was at war. And people understood this very well. And they admired the courage and bravery of the defenders, who went straight into battle from the parade.
          And now it’s all naked show off .. Biathlons, parades, analogues, etc.
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 15: 43
            -37
            But didn’t they deliver grain to Nazi Germany the day before under Stalin, even when their divisions were already standing on the border in full readiness for an attack? And didn't intelligence give information about the readiness of German troops for an attack a week before? And they didn't call the attack treacherous?
            And the war with Ukrainian Nazism turns out to be a naked show?
            By the way, the word "window dressing", as if by chance, is Ukrainian. In Russia, it’s not that they don’t say that, but they don’t poke this word anywhere and everywhere, as in Ukraine. This word is not always appropriate for us.
          2. Alexander Raikov
            Alexander Raikov 4 August 2023 16: 50
            +5
            “The difference is that in 1941 the country was at war. And people understood this very well. And they admired the courage and courage of the defenders who went straight into battle from the parade.
            And now it’s all naked show-off .. Biathlons, parades, analogues, etc. "- Absolutely true! But this doesn’t make it any easier ... who from the oligahat will pay for the lives and blood of the guys at the front ???
            1. Escariot
              Escariot 5 August 2023 07: 20
              +8
              And what about the oligarchs? It was not the oligarchs who announced the CBO. If you don't like "biotlones", then you should ask the question to their organizers, and not to the oligarchs. If you don't like the fact that oligarchs supply oil to refineries in Europe, then this is a question for the Parliament and the President (they can ban exports with a stroke of the pen), and not for Vagit Alikperov. In the end, we have a vertical of power, not an oligarchic freemen
        2. Wildcat
          Wildcat 4 August 2023 15: 51
          +11
          You see, the situation in which criticism is punished in one way or another leads to the fact that in 1941 you have to build defense lines near Moscow, and in 2023 you have to gather armed people to defend Moscow (with strikes on the M4 highway) somewhere along the Oka River near Serpukhov.

          https://youtu.be/mWLBLE0Gl00

          The viciousness of your rhetorical exercise, and what is there viciousness - its harm - should have been clear back in the 60s of the last century. But, judging by the fact that people like you are still practicing rhetorically, you have to re-study the history of the USSR in the part "where the Russian was good after 1989."
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 15: 55
            -23
            The fact of the matter is that your criticism does not look like constructive at all, and does not even look like criticism. This is something else, courage rather or a mockery.
            So, rhetorical exercises addressed to you, I find very appropriate.
            And any hints about Zolotov can very well be correlated with attacks on Voroshilov or Budyonny in 1941.
            1. Wizzzard
              Wizzzard 6 August 2023 12: 07
              0
              Can you compare biographies? Commander of the First Cavalry and a locksmith of the AZLK plant? At the same time, read what his former boss Korzhakov writes about Zolotov?
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich 6 August 2023 16: 18
                0
                Do you know how they joked in the USSR? Apparently you don't know. Then they joked that not only the cavalrymen were to blame for the failures, that Comrade Stalin was let down, but also the Lugansk locksmith and the Ivanovo weaver. Do you know what we are talking about? Again, you don't seem to know.
                Has much changed since then? Unless, they openly criticize, all and sundry, but before, they either realized that they didn’t need to go anywhere with their criticism, or they were afraid.
                I do not consider Budyonny, Voroshilov, or Molotov to be guilty of the failures of 1941-42, and without them there were enough heroes of the invisible front who did things and slept through the attack of Nazi Germany. And yet, how much criticism was directed at them in the post-war USSR!
      3. alystan
        alystan 4 August 2023 23: 39
        +3
        In the same way, describe the problem with the loss of the Moskva cruiser, what caused its death there. It's interesting to read you.
        But it’s not entirely clear - you say that watchmen are not required to distinguish between black objects on a dark night, then the weapons, in your opinion, are weak and better is not expected.
        That's just about the parades is not necessary. And the topic of youth girls is also out of place in VO.
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 6 August 2023 01: 41
        0
        It was possible to urgently equip all warships with easel cliffs and DShK and double the number of sentinels /. I don’t even dream about all sorts of heatpacks and guided guns
      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 6 August 2023 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: Wildcat
        What did the standard radar detect such an inconspicuous target?
        There is a Naiad-type navigation radar on the 775 project. She perfectly sees even FVK fencing buoys and other small-sized buoyancy. There is also an art radar of the MP-352 "Positive" type, which ensures the firing of a standard gun at the MC.
        On the "Olen" there was no normal watch, or on a dark night everyone was camouflaging on the BP, although if you enter the base, then an ALARM is played to pass the narrowness and everyone must BE WATCHTOWED! Which obviously hasn't been done.
        And the second. The NPA rolled off the side of a ship. Maybe that's why they didn't react? the distance was small ... and the inertia of thinking and decision-making was large. The result is a hole in the side and a roll to the port side with the intake of water into the tank hold under the ordinary ... It's good that the drone did not end up in the engine room. And that would be the second capital ...
        AHA.
      6. uncle_Rustam
        uncle_Rustam 7 August 2023 17: 14
        -2
        And you know, I also liked the naval parade. I watched it on TV. Everything looked very epic and heroic. The only thing that was not enough for me personally, as a purely Asian person, to complete this whole heroic picture, was the gold teeth of all the participants in this action. Imagine how awesome this would look. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief, sparkling with golden teeth, addresses his welcoming speech to the sailors, foremen, officers and admirals of the Russian Navy, congratulates them on their next anniversary, and they, in response, express their stormy jubilation with triple "URA" (two short and one rolling), sparkling in the Sun with their golden teeth, freshly polished with velvet and GOI paste. Now that would be a spectacle! Of course, I understand that inserting real gold teeth to all lower ranks at the state expense is, perhaps, too expensive, but I think it’s still worth going for it. Before such a gold-toothed army and navy, any enemy will scatter in fear and horror.
    7. Boniface
      Boniface 5 August 2023 03: 14
      +3
      Write nonsense! Complete nonsense! Because not azu were not on this ship! From the side - to the landing hold - 5 meters! What these meters are busy with - I won’t say ...! Find deck diagrams - you will understand
  2. Orange Bigg
    Orange Bigg 4 August 2023 12: 51
    +9
    Two people can play this game. Copy a drone (one of which was captured in Sevastopol a year ago) and send it to where our esteemed partners have shipping and see how they sing.
    1. Horon
      Horon 4 August 2023 13: 07
      +14
      Two people can play this game.

      It is not possible, but necessary!
      1. Third district
        Third district 4 August 2023 16: 54
        +5
        Quote: Horon
        Two people can play this game.

        It is not possible, but necessary!

        Well, you, is it possible! As TV propagandist M. Simonyan constantly says - Well, is it possible, we are not like that!
    2. guest
      guest 4 August 2023 14: 01
      +4
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      Copy a drone (one of which was captured in Sevastopol a year ago)

      So it was then just stupidly blown up.
    3. alanery
      alanery 4 August 2023 14: 32
      +6
      Zassut to do it! I have long proposed to fill up a civilian board from Amer's stingers somewhere near Amsterdam and throw a tube there. And let them think to whom they supply weapons. It's on sale now all over Geyropa!
      1. culinary
        culinary 5 August 2023 01: 57
        +3
        Quote from alanery
        Zassut to do it! I have long proposed to fill up a civilian board from Amer's stingers somewhere near Amsterdam and throw a tube there. And let them think to whom they supply weapons. It's on sale now all over Geyropa!

        It seems like I wanted to put a plus ...
        But this is Pandora's box.
        There are many more people in Russia who want to hit a civilian airliner, and also on takeoff. How many "refugees" did Russia accept?
        How many of them have already been noted in the attacks on the side that received them?
        That's it, only in Russia there are restrictions on flights in the south. Do you think it's random?
    4. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 5 August 2023 17: 26
      +3
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      Two people can play this game. Copy a drone (one of which was captured in Sevastopol a year ago) and send it to where our esteemed partners have shipping and see how they sing.

      There was no trophy.
      It was examined externally and blown up on the spot.
      This is how it was in reality
  3. barclay
    barclay 4 August 2023 12: 51
    +22
    Missed the moment. So far this has not happened. It is not good...
    And Novorossiysk is much further than Crimea, from Odessa and other Ukrainian coasts, which, according to the MO, are blocked. It seems that there is some kind of floating base for these drones.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 4 August 2023 12: 55
      +35
      Quote: barclay
      Missed the moment. So far this has not happened. It is not good...

      The most interesting thing is that our media are silent and the leadership of the fleet is silent. As if nothing happened
      1. barclay
        barclay 4 August 2023 12: 58
        +45
        And everything is fine there, even after the drowning of the KChF flagship ..
      2. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 4 August 2023 13: 17
        +5
        The shift on duty and all those responsible must be sent to the NWO zone, where they will immediately understand how to serve vigilantly. Arrives a couple of times, immediately smoked. But it won’t reach - the best part of the body in one direction, the rest in the other.
        1. Petr_Koldunov
          Petr_Koldunov 4 August 2023 13: 53
          +3
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          But it won’t reach - the best part of the body in one direction, the rest in the other.

          It was these who used to be in harems in a responsible position. It was called a eunuch. laughing wassat
        2. swzero
          swzero 4 August 2023 16: 21
          0
          Rather, those who could not provide the ships for all this time, although with machine guns with thermal imagers. A ship is expensive. At the extreme, you can put an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle there on the deck.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 6 August 2023 16: 02
            +1
            Quote: swzero
            At the extreme, you can put an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle there on the deck.

            It is forbidden. On project 775 there are tank hold doors for vertical loading of weapons and property into the hold. They can't take that kind of pressure.
        3. culinary
          culinary 5 August 2023 02: 00
          -1
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          The shift on duty and all those responsible must be sent to the NWO zone, where they will immediately understand how to serve vigilantly. Arrives a couple of times, immediately smoked. But it won’t reach - the best part of the body in one direction, the rest in the other.

          And not sorry? sad
          The sofa is closer... laughing
        4. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 5 August 2023 17: 27
          0
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          The shift on duty and all those responsible must be sent to the NWO zone, where they will immediately understand how to serve vigilantly. Arrives a couple of times, immediately smoked. But it won’t reach - the best part of the body in one direction, the rest in the other.

          So it has already arrived and not weakly.
          About 250kg BB if this is the latest version
      3. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 4 August 2023 13: 22
        0
        . The most interesting thing is that our media is silent

        And then how do we know laughing
        1. culinary
          culinary 5 August 2023 02: 01
          -5
          Quote: igorbrsv
          . The most interesting thing is that our media is silent

          And then how do we know laughing

          Yes, all sorts of "warriors" have bred, at least shoot for disclosing ... laughing
      4. Mishka78
        Mishka78 4 August 2023 13: 26
        +12
        Quote: APASUS
        The most interesting thing is that our media are silent and the leadership of the fleet is silent. As if nothing happened

        No, they are not silent. They lie stupidly.
        https://t.me/mod_russia/28933
        Ministry of Defense of Russia
        ⚡️ Tonight, the armed forces of Ukraine attempted to attack the Novorossiysk naval base with two unmanned sea boats.
        In the course of repulsing the attack, unmanned boats were visually detected and destroyed by fire from the standard weapons of Russian ships guarding the outer raid of the naval base.


        https://t.me/kondratyevvi/5889
        Veniamin Kondratyev
        Tonight and early in the morning in the waters of Novorossiysk, our military repelled the attack of two surface drones. There were no casualties or damage. All necessary special services are on site. I am grateful to our military for the well-coordinated work.

        1. Ilya22558
          Ilya22558 4 August 2023 15: 10
          +5
          So why are they lying???? Reflected, sideways. (sarcasm!)
      5. Drdim
        Drdim 4 August 2023 13: 28
        +15
        The most interesting thing is that our media are silent and the leadership of the fleet is silent

        It would be better if they were silent ... but no, they reported that the drones were destroyed by regular means, there was no damage.
        1. -Paul-
          -Paul- 4 August 2023 13: 39
          +7
          The hull of the ship is quite a standard tool, if anything. The drone was destroyed by a ram.
          laughing Sarcasm, if that.
      6. Konnick
        Konnick 4 August 2023 13: 31
        +5
        The most interesting thing is that our media are silent and the leadership of the fleet is silent. As if nothing happened

        Even the Kremlin referred the question of the consequences of the attack in Novorossiysk to the Russian Defense Ministry.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 6 August 2023 16: 08
          0
          Quote: Konnick
          Even the Kremlin referred the question of the consequences of the attack in Novorossiysk to the Russian Defense Ministry.

          Peskov is a grated kalach! He always provides the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to lie frankly. A neat-spitting courtier, a kisser of hands at the "mandan" ... am
      7. wladimirjankov
        wladimirjankov 4 August 2023 13: 56
        +8
        They don't even stay silent. They tell how our valiant Black Sea Fleet heroically and very skillfully repelled an attack on the port of Novorossiysk and destroyed two Nazi drones. No one was hurt and there was no damage. The fact that one of the drones was "destroyed" by the BDK corps, which seemed to be standing there on the roadstead and whose crew simply slept through this attack, for some reason is not talked about. Of course, it is unpleasant to talk about another failure of the Black Sea Fleet. But we must tell the truth, in the age of the Internet it will not be possible to hide it, no matter how much someone would like it. The Black Sea Fleet still does not control the situation on the Black Sea and again was not ready to repel the attack of the enemy. Pictures of the BDK "Olenegorsky miner" with a trim on one side only confirm this. And again the thought arises that it could not be by chance that he was on the roadstead at that moment, like the flagship Moscow near the island of snakes.
        1. hector
          hector 4 August 2023 22: 05
          +1
          Quote: wladimirjankov
          Pictures of the BDK "Olenegorsky miner" with a trim on one side only confirm this. And again the thought arises that it could not be by chance that he was on the roadstead at that moment, like the flagship Moscow near the island of snakes.

          Maybe the Black Sea Fleet has the task of self-destructing?
          1. UAZ 452
            UAZ 452 5 August 2023 06: 37
            +1
            If so, then this will be the third time in the last two centuries.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 5 August 2023 19: 18
          +1
          Tryndet - do not turn coolies.
          There is no side trim. It was not at the BDK.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 6 August 2023 16: 12
          +3
          Quote: wladimirjankov
          "Olenegorsky miner" with a trim on one side

          Information: trim - aft or bow; and on the side - a roll! Yes
      8. old
        old 4 August 2023 14: 27
        +1
        The most interesting thing is that our media are silent and the leadership of the fleet is silent. As if nothing happened

        What will they say? Excuse me, are you to blame, didn’t you see? There is no such thing in the statute.
      9. jdiver
        jdiver 5 August 2023 09: 40
        +2
        Like nothing happened

        And what did they fly to Moscow City again or along Rublyovka?
      10. smart ass
        smart ass 5 August 2023 12: 24
        -2
        What is incomprehensible? A fire broke out and as a result the ship is under repair, everything is standard
    2. IVZ
      IVZ 4 August 2023 12: 58
      +12
      Missed the moment. So far this has not happened. It is not good...
      The enemy also learns and improves the technique and tactics of its use. Apparently, regular means of counteraction are no longer enough and some kind of technical and organizational measures must be taken. Although war is war.
      1. barclay
        barclay 4 August 2023 13: 02
        +24
        I am primarily concerned with our self-education at all levels. Responsible persons should be fired for this incident.
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 4 August 2023 13: 24
          +4
          And feathers should fly from officials
        2. Vladimir80
          Vladimir80 4 August 2023 13: 28
          +11
          For this incident, they should fly from their posts

          For 18 months, at least one was removed (except for those who were not involved) ??? So "everything is according to plan" and such is their plan!
          1. Mishka78
            Mishka78 4 August 2023 13: 57
            +9
            Quote: Vladimir80
            For 18 months, at least one was removed (except for those who were not involved) ???

            We, as usual, do not shoot those involved / not involved, but those who voice problems, difficulties and shortcomings.
            Previously, messengers who brought bad news had their heads chopped off. Now is a humane time and they are simply fired or suspended.
            But there, Konashenko cheerfully announces that we destroyed a hundred thousand tanks and highmars - so he will be rewarded and promoted.
            https://structure.mil.ru/management/details.htm?id=10682684@SD_Employee
            He was awarded seven orders (“For Merit to the Fatherland”, III, IV degree, Alexander Nevsky, Courage, “For Military Merit”, Honor, Friendship,) and 17 medals.
        3. culinary
          culinary 5 August 2023 02: 09
          +4
          Quote: barclay
          I am primarily concerned with our self-education at all levels. Responsible persons should be fired for this incident.

          Those who need to sit in those positions ...
          As well as outside of Russia, in Moscow.
          That Kyiv, that Moscow, earn money ...
          Infantry, gadgets, exchanges ... Everything for the plebes ..
          Now the killers of Russians, excuse me, I identify everyone in the war with fascism, Russians, having received expensive gadgets from a Russian Jew (?), Returned to kill Russians.
          Soryan, who is in the Kremlin?
      2. Leshak
        Leshak 4 August 2023 13: 09
        +9
        Quote: IVZ
        Missed the moment. So far this has not happened. It is not good...
        The enemy also learns and improves the technique and tactics of its use. Apparently, regular means of counteraction are no longer enough and some kind of technical and organizational measures must be taken. Although war is war.

        So we need to learn, not only from our mistakes, but by anticipating the actions of the enemy. And it's time to stop living by the proverb about the roasted rooster. Many things were calculated ahead of time, but no action was taken.
      3. alexoff
        alexoff 4 August 2023 14: 40
        +3
        What was the opposition there? No electronic warfare, no reconnaissance, no communication between ships
        1. stankow
          stankow 5 August 2023 19: 12
          +1
          I am a connection between the ships why do you think not ??
      4. Thompson
        Thompson 4 August 2023 14: 44
        0
        It also seemed to me that the drone was moving slowly. Apparently it's not that noticeable.
    3. guest
      guest 4 August 2023 16: 08
      0
      Quote: barclay
      It seems that there is some kind of floating base for these drones.

      Or perhaps these drones are directly launched by "partners".
    4. Reader 2013
      Reader 2013 5 August 2023 07: 56
      +1
      Uh-huh the mystery of the two oceans is visible
      ..................................................
  4. Seamaster
    Seamaster 4 August 2023 12: 53
    +33
    There are no signs of shooting from the BDK at the drone on the video.
    No.
    But the deck lighting is on.
    The Olenegorsk miners had a rest.
    Weeping for them Butovo landfill.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 4 August 2023 13: 00
      +8
      But the deck lighting is on.

      And the moon shines for 3 quarters ... blind sailors
  5. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 August 2023 12: 54
    +5
    if there were 300 kg of explosives on the drone, then rather the ship would have sunk, maybe not a complete detonation or a smaller charge
    1. cpls22
      cpls22 4 August 2023 13: 11
      -2
      In general, he somehow did not fit at full speed. M.b. he was damaged, he lost his course, and he was left for a while without attention. And the operator found a way to bring it to the end. In this case, indeed, an abnormal operation of an explosive device is likely.
      1. IVZ
        IVZ 4 August 2023 14: 02
        +13
        In general, he somehow did not fit at full speed.
        A low-profile, small-sized boat is easiest to detect by its wake, and most likely the watch was sharpened for this, according to the experience of previous attacks. And the enemy changed tactics and used the method of sneaking up.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 15: 33
          +2
          My opinion in this case may turn out to be amateurish, but when I walk along the embankment in the dark, I even see boats without lights on the surface of the water within a radius of at least a kilometer, with not the best vision. And the noise of the motor, of course, in the absence of wind and surf noise, is generally audible from afar. And modern hand and bicycle rechargeable LED flashlights allow you to illuminate the surface of the water for hundreds of meters without difficulty.
          1. IVZ
            IVZ 5 August 2023 06: 25
            +2
            Let's say the watch found a boat in the water area? boat? leisurely going about her business. Not rushing like a catechumen, raising huge breakers, but quietly and peacefully (it is tempting to say "floating") going about her business. After all, the operator set the direction to the ship before the attack itself, already in the immediate vicinity of the target, when it was too late to do anything.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 5 August 2023 12: 08
              +1
              Are you at least familiar with the rules for using small boats? The uncertainty of the situation that you imagined cannot even come close. At least due to the lack of running lights in the drone, not to mention the fairway for those going about "their" business. And even a drone found in the immediate vicinity of the target has no chance of getting away from the fire of a large-caliber machine gun or a ship's cannon.
              Another thing is that it is these landing ships that do not even have machine guns on the sides.
  6. opposite28
    opposite28 4 August 2023 12: 56
    +7
    And who is outposting in the roadstead, not to mention the technical methods of defending the ship ?!
  7. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 4 August 2023 12: 56
    +2
    There is a version that drones were launched from a dry cargo ship in the roadstead. And about the ship, I’ll say that I looked through binoculars from the window of the 12th floor, it stands exactly on the pier.
    1. cpls22
      cpls22 4 August 2023 13: 04
      +2
      If only one such drone could be deployed back into this dry cargo ship, there would be fewer people willing to be substituted right away ..
      1. old
        old 4 August 2023 14: 30
        +3
        There is something to close up in a dry cargo ship even without a drone, but only then there will be a howl for the whole wide world. Here only to take red-handed.
        1. IVZ
          IVZ 5 August 2023 08: 05
          +1
          There is something to close up in a dry cargo ship even without a drone, but only then there will be a howl for the whole wide world.
          If you close up with a captured drone, then it’s not us, but the criminal Kiev regime in order to discredit the Russian Federation. And of course, the operation was planned with the direct participation of the special services of the countries (the list is attached). negative
  8. HAM
    HAM 4 August 2023 12: 57
    +32
    In Sevastopol, women sailors regularly served, and here woodpeckers are on duty ...
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 14: 44
      -8
      It would be better to check, otherwise there are cases of removing the guard or outposts, as it were, at the most inopportune moment, in advance, in advance. The competent authorities should find out everything, in detail. I don't believe in coincidence.
    2. Escariot
      Escariot 5 August 2023 07: 40
      +1
      And how many times did the sailors miss such attacks? I'm not talking about Sevastopol, but about in general. Remember how much blood the Italian saboteurs drank from the Lady of the Seas. Yes, and the Japanese, with the help of kamikaze boats, were able to fill up the destroyer and several high-speed transports.
  9. Volunteer Marek
    Volunteer Marek 4 August 2023 12: 58
    +13
    In the Black Sea fleet - a peaceful sky and a gentle warm sea. Resort, in a word. Overslept. Specifically. It's a pity, mats are prohibited, and sometimes you want to.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 August 2023 12: 59
    +13
    The fact that they were negligent about keeping a watch is for sure. Relax guys. Naturally, the debriefing will find "words" for the captain also for the watch.
    As far as I understand, all the places where drones can be based have not been identified.
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    2. Escariot
      Escariot 5 August 2023 07: 32
      0
      Of course, everything can be attributed to a particular sailor who overslept the attack, but this will not remove the threat to our ships in any way. If maritime drones are a systemic threat, then it is necessary to apply some technical solutions to eliminate it, and not put 2 watchmen in one post.
  11. Novel_
    Novel_ 4 August 2023 12: 59
    +25
    What an idiocy. Where were observers, even in the Second World War, visually able to detect a torpedo? And now telemetry, heat / ifro / radio, etc., shoot, the computer will process everything - it will give a signal. And these guns are in the stowed position and ... there are no words, but there are no words.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 5 August 2023 19: 20
      0
      Observers in the Second World War saw a lot of torpedoes. And in most cases, when they were not even there.
  12. LeutnantTom
    LeutnantTom 4 August 2023 13: 00
    +1
    It's time to take Odessa and Ishmael, otherwise there will never be peace.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 4 August 2023 13: 33
      +8
      It's time to take Odessa and Ishmael, otherwise there will never be peace

      With such a fleet???
      1. culinary
        culinary 5 August 2023 02: 16
        +3
        Quote: Konnick
        It's time to take Odessa and Ishmael, otherwise there will never be peace

        With such a fleet???

        Better without it...
        Cheaper cost.
        Look, the Poles, Lithuanians and Latvians are overexcited by the presence of the "orchestra" in Belarus !!!
        And the fleet, this is a mummer, to hold parades.
        Naturally, between biathlons ... laughing
        1. Wizzzard
          Wizzzard 6 August 2023 12: 18
          +1
          Don't know. I follow the Polish media and have never noticed any overexcitation. Yes, and a question for you: Wagner was going to take only Poland, or all of Europe and America?
  13. JD1979
    JD1979 4 August 2023 13: 01
    +4
    What is called - overslept. Like not in the Crimea, you can relax the rolls. Well, that's gone between them, while shallow. While watching the video, the thought occurred to me that if, instead of the usual explosive, these BPMAs are equipped with a slightly different means, then it will go VERY deep. I hope they don’t think of it before, otherwise the entire Black Sea Fleet runs the risk of quickly becoming underwater.
    1. Uno
      Uno 4 August 2023 19: 35
      +2
      practice shows what the enemy is just thinking)
  14. opposite28
    opposite28 4 August 2023 13: 02
    +11
    I will be surprised that there is no secret Ukrainian naval base (otherwise the Ukrainians would not have boasted about some kind of base to the camera), and the drones are launched from a civilian ship passing to the ports of Georgia (Turkey), the course of which lies near the base (at a sufficient distance from the designated object), you never know from which edge the "longboat" is sailing ...
  15. Constantine N
    Constantine N 4 August 2023 13: 02
    -1
    apparently he didn’t sail from the sea, but from a truck nearby they threw him into the water or another ship
  16. Rom8681
    Rom8681 4 August 2023 13: 02
    +4
    Quote: IVZ
    The enemy also learns and improves the technique and tactics of its use. Apparently regular means of countermeasures are no longer

    What we don't learn
  17. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 4 August 2023 13: 04
    -2
    P. S. Perhaps on most ships / ships there are no technical (and automated) means of detecting such drones at all
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 4 August 2023 13: 14
      +1
      You watch the video again.
      Drone OVERWATER, metal.
      It is visible on the radar screen of even a civilian ship for 10 miles.
      And the mountain reindeer herders did not even see him point-blank.
      1. Vladimir80
        Vladimir80 4 August 2023 13: 17
        +9
        It seems to me that these drones have fiberglass hulls (at least those that were previously found on the shore?)
  18. expert
    expert 4 August 2023 13: 09
    +18
    Everything that happens is the result of the passive defense of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet.
    If the structure is non-initiative, it is obviously doomed to survival at best. At worst, to gradual extinction. Unfortunately, from the information that we had the opportunity to receive, one can only regret and be perplexed about the actions (inactions) of the Black Sea Fleet. Was the very structure, concept, equipment, combat use (or non-use) of this formation in the Black Sea basin wrong from the start?
    I, a person absolutely far from the fleet. These are the questions of an amateur who cannot explain to himself what is happening with the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet ... recourse
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 19: 31
      -2
      This is also one of the results of the concept of almost completely unarmed, especially landing ships. Supporters of the concept, apparently, believe that unarmed ships around the entire perimeter will always be fenced off by escort ships. The result, as they say on the face, there are not even machine guns on the sides.
  19. Seamaster
    Seamaster 4 August 2023 13: 11
    +7
    If this mess in the fleet continues, then they will do the same as in 1854: the fleet will be flooded in the fairways leading to Sevastopol and Novorossiysk, and the crews will go into the trenches near Orekhovo.
    All the same, there is no use from the fleet, except for launching missiles.
    And they can be launched from the shore.
    1. Hiller
      Hiller 4 August 2023 13: 28
      +7
      The mess is "in the heads" as Bulgakov said. The fleet is first of all people, and then equipment. The base commander is primarily responsible. Maybe they work on a ship, and not serve on a ship? Then the commander of the ship and the watch, which confidently missed the attack on the ship. The principle of inevitability of punishment for improper performance of official duties does not work. They have a resort, you know. Prosecutor of the garrison, ay!!!
      1. alexoff
        alexoff 4 August 2023 14: 50
        +3
        So, if a boat with pirates is sailing towards the ship, then the team will miss it too, only the ship will not go for repairs, but to some quiet bay for ransom. It looks more like a team of security guards in the shopping center works
  20. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 4 August 2023 13: 15
    +8
    A military informant posted a video of the BDK being towed with a roll to the port side
  21. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 4 August 2023 13: 18
    +4
    At least one Il 38 N was given for patrolling, he will notice these kamikaze boats for many nautical miles and find out from where they launch
    1. Vasya Vasiliev_3
      Vasya Vasiliev_3 4 August 2023 13: 39
      +4
      That in Russia there are no police airships with cameras, are all helicopters on the front line? Here in Syria, an airship with cameras hangs at a Russian base and repels drone attacks, but why is it alone in the country?
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 18: 54
        +3
        If you didn't know, Novorossiysk is the windiest city in Russia. Your "derizhbandel" will be carried away by the first, ordinary for these places, hurricane.
        1. Vasya Vasiliev_3
          Vasya Vasiliev_3 5 August 2023 12: 07
          +2
          You don't have to lift it high and tie it to the ships. The Germans walked and the US walked with tethered airships. There are also buoys that even detect the movement of submarines placed from helicopters, anchor them that can respond to motor noise, which can be transmitted to that hex tethered airship or balloon. Simple arithmetic:
          From a height of 10 m to the horizon - 12 km
          From a height of 100 m to the horizon - 37 km
          200 m - 53 km
          only more powerful optics are needed. Somewhere in Siberia, some company offered an ordinary weather balloon, ten KILOMETERS of carbon fiber along which two very thin wires were attached (total weight 26 kilograms) and a quadrocopter-type trinket, only there were eight motors. Battery, camera and transmitter - another three and a half kilograms. The signal was transmitted through a carbon fiber, this thing climbed the declared ten kilometers with a wind drift of one and a half to two kilometers. for observation within a radius of the required 450 km. Let's rise to a great height where there is no wind solves the problem of demolition, the worst thing is that the Russians from a nation of engineers with hands have turned into a nation of togashes and vagabonds, we can’t even rebuild radars
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 6 August 2023 11: 11
            +1
            And if you don’t need to raise it high, then again I want to remind you that there are lighthouses and other towers in the ports where you can place, if not everything you want, then a lot, and the city itself is surrounded by mountains. Sculpt towers on the heights, I don’t want to!
    2. alexoff
      alexoff 4 August 2023 14: 52
      +2
      At least three Orions were given out, who supposedly have been riveting in three shifts for more than a year. They would take turns patrolling everything within a radius of 50 kilometers
  22. osp
    osp 4 August 2023 13: 19
    +10
    Something very interesting is happening.
    The sea drone is clearly controlled manually and manually guided to the target.
    Then, from the camera standing on it, there is a picture in real time.

    And to the Ukrainian coast, where can the control go, or at least to
    carrier ship hundreds and hundreds of kilometers.

    No other communication with the drone other than satellite or aviation in our case
    cannot be applied due to the radio horizon and other factors.
    Especially two-way communication with the transfer of pictures.

    This means control through a satellite or aviation (relay) communication channel.
    There can be no other way.
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 4 August 2023 13: 24
      +8
      And what is difficult to manage via satellite? Hoh.lov has no problems with this ...
      1. osp
        osp 4 August 2023 13: 32
        +1
        Both "Moscow" and "Behu" missiles "Harpoon" were launched from coastal installations.
        Yes, they only flew beyond the horizon, that is, beyond the limits of visibility at sea.

        And in order to find the right ship, or at least know its coordinates, Ukraine did not have the means.
        Again, either satellites or anti-submarine aircraft can provide such target designation.

        Today the situation is repeated.
        Only instead of missiles drone.
    2. HAM
      HAM 4 August 2023 13: 32
      -2
      You are right, for all 100 .. Yes, and kohls may not be in business, all control was carried out from some kind of "Orion", and they are over the Black Sea, like fleas on a dog .... and this is already an open entry into the conflict (UAVs are actually also NATO ones), but they write off kokhls for work.
      1. osp
        osp 5 August 2023 00: 24
        +1
        I won’t say anything here - I’ll just say that on August 4 there were no NATO aircraft over the Black Sea and in the Romanian region.
        Or they flew with the identification transponders turned off.
        1. Vasya Vasiliev_3
          Vasya Vasiliev_3 5 August 2023 12: 16
          0
          It is on them that the electronic warfare should be worked, if they see it, they accidentally hit it, fought against the ukrov. Electronic warfare range You can put land-based electronic warfare on civilian ships or let each reconnaissance escort an aircraft or helicopter with electronic warfare.
    3. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 4 August 2023 13: 37
      +10
      Quote from osp
      This means control through a satellite or aviation (relay) communication channel.
      There can be no other way.

      everyone who is interested has long known that these drones with a Starlink antenna are the answer to your question ..
    4. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 5 August 2023 17: 34
      0
      Quote from osp
      Something very interesting is happening.
      The sea drone is clearly controlled manually and manually guided to the target.
      Then, from the camera standing on it, there is a picture in real time.

      And to the Ukrainian coast, where can the control go, or at least to
      carrier ship hundreds and hundreds of kilometers.

      No other communication with the drone other than satellite or aviation in our case
      cannot be applied due to the radio horizon and other factors.
      Especially two-way communication with the transfer of pictures.

      This means control through a satellite or aviation (relay) communication channel.
      There can be no other way.

      That is, you have never heard before that all these drogs are equipped with Starlink two-way satellite communications equipment?
      1. osp
        osp 6 August 2023 03: 39
        0
        I knew, but I thought that there were means of jamming at the Black Sea Fleet.
    5. stankow
      stankow 5 August 2023 19: 21
      0
      For a long time, they said - they control according to Starlink.
  23. tlauicol
    tlauicol 4 August 2023 13: 19
    +7
    Requiem for the Black Sea Fleet? sad sight
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 4 August 2023 13: 33
      +11
      And what about the Black Sea Fleet in history?
      Let's be honest - he only coped with the Turks.
      And that is not always the case.
      And as soon as the British, French, Germans, Italians entered the stage - ....... pichalka.
      "Goeben" was not chasing mountain reindeer herders, but shelling Odessa, Novorossiysk, Kerch.
      And even the dacha itself .......
      Well, you get the point.
      No, not Vladimir Vladimirovich.
      This hoho-liki has not yet been reached.
      But if this mess does not stop, then they will get to her.
      1. Grancer81
        Grancer81 5 August 2023 13: 54
        +2
        He fired ... At the very beginning ... And after that, he only did that he arranged a game of catch-up with the ships ...
  24. Born_in_Russia
    Born_in_Russia 4 August 2023 13: 29
    -18
    The question is when Poplars will sprinkle Ukrainian land.
    1. Vagabung
      Vagabung 4 August 2023 13: 42
      -5
      No, birches.
      You make noise, make noise
      Need me, birches)))
  25. guest
    guest 4 August 2023 14: 04
    -5
    Where was this drone launched from? From Odessa or even Ochakovo to the place of the terrorist attack is a decent distance.
    1. Grancer81
      Grancer81 5 August 2023 13: 56
      +1
      Probably from a board that flew under the flag of anything, but not Ukroreykha ... It is possible that he also carried the Russian tricolor ...
  26. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 4 August 2023 14: 13
    +5
    As they were with the Second World War in the Black Sea Fleet and in the Crimea, the bustards remained. It is not for nothing that Manstein called the operation to defeat our Crimean army and the Black Sea Fleet “Drofa”. The bustard is a large, helpless and defenseless bird that cannot fly.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 4 August 2023 14: 47
      +4
      It is not for nothing that Manstein called the operation to defeat our Crimean army and the Black Sea Fleet “Drofa”.

      Well, he didn’t smash the fleet, it just wasn’t there, but Manstein had a boat landing, 30 overloaded beyond measure, assault river motor boats in three-point excitement, with a landing force consisting of two companies and a sapper platoon, with which he dispersed the 63rd mountain rifle division, formed from Georgians, Armenians and Azerbaijanis, covering the anti-tank ditch behind Feodosia, they did not even blow up land mines on the beach where the landing force landed
    2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 15: 05
      -5
      This is all from increased secrecy, in cases where high-profile resignations are needed. We still do not know the objective results of the investigation into the death of the battleship Novorossiysk in 1955. They did not even know the elementary, the explosion occurred from the inside or outside. And even how severely the responsible naval commanders were punished, guilty both of allowing the explosion and of not taking measures to save the crew.
      And the inexplicable softness towards the captain of the dry-cargo ship "Pyotr Vasev" Viktor Tkachenko, who sank the cruise ship "Admiral Nakhimov" in 1986, is generally beyond reason.
      1. Seamaster
        Seamaster 5 August 2023 01: 38
        +5
        15 years of the zone - softness?
        This is the maximum in the USSR.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 6 August 2023 17: 39
          +1
          As a punishment for the sinking of a cruise liner, it was possible, as an exception, to pick up a tougher measure. And even more so, they should not have been amnestied and released ahead of schedule.
          You are probably familiar with the behavior of Tkachenko, according to the results of the preliminary investigation, when he rammed the Admiral Nakhimov. To me, the intent is clear. And for you?
      2. rytik32
        rytik32 5 August 2023 13: 18
        +1
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        we still don't know. They did not even know the elementary, the explosion occurred from the inside or outside.

        You do not know?
        In the conclusion of the Commission, it is written that the explosion occurred outside. There are photos confirming this and a huge amount of sludge thrown out.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 6 August 2023 17: 36
          0
          And what? How huge is the amount of sludge thrown out and where is it thrown out? Has the cause of the explosion been ascertained for certain? Until now, guesses and versions.
          Even with the Titanic, there are versions more plausible than the official one. But there is still no battleship Novorossiysk.
          1. rytik32
            rytik32 7 August 2023 10: 53
            0
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Has the cause of the explosion been ascertained for certain? Until now, guesses and versions.

            Why don't you like the official version?
    3. Seamaster
      Seamaster 4 August 2023 17: 55
      +3
      Manstein's operation was called Bustard Hunting.
  27. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 4 August 2023 14: 32
    -4
    to disperse the entire leadership of the Black Sea Fleet and recruit a new one from young captains and lieutenants. Maybe then something would have changed for the better. And so it's complete hopelessness.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 4 August 2023 14: 52
      0
      Perhaps you are right about something, but nevertheless, it is preferable to start by checking the watchmen that night, starting with them. There may or may not be interesting findings.
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  28. km-21
    km-21 4 August 2023 15: 05
    +1
    Quite obviously, sea drones are controlled by the operator in FPV mode via Starlink or Oneweb satellite internet. This is the latest technology in the field of weapons, which is developing at a rapid pace, and its effectiveness will only increase. The combat use of this technology can create very big problems for us. Therefore, it is urgent to develop response measures. Suppressing satellite Internet is very difficult. Today, as a countermeasure, only the physical destruction (damage) of the satellites that form the orbital network structure is viewed. There are a lot of satellites, so it is best to work out the use of anti-satellite laser weapons.
  29. Skiff
    Skiff 4 August 2023 15: 10
    +5
    Quote: tralflot1832
    ZhEK - Water heater. The Lao fleet would stand on a "box", here progress is just a ship adrift, waiting for permission to enter the bay. Where did the news come from that the Olenegorsk miner served as a patrol ship? To be honest, I thought that he was in the Kerch Strait, between the shores of the ferry roam back and forth. And it’s like that. I have been sounding the alarm on the Black Sea ports of Russia for a long time on the site. And what. Maybe it should have been done silently, so that later it would not be so embarrassing.

    The watch, including the anti-sabotage watch, is carried out around the clock, for this there is a cloud of personnel there. I have 22 people on the ship and we wouldn't oversleep. And what a parade was, rocking .....
  30. Carlos Hall
    Carlos Hall 4 August 2023 16: 22
    +1
    The captain of the ship should be punished for laxity and incompetence
  31. bravo77
    bravo77 4 August 2023 18: 22
    +5
    Well, now it’s clear by what principle the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was missing

    it’s generally incomprehensible how the fleet suffers losses without even fighting
    and against whom
  32. bravo77
    bravo77 4 August 2023 18: 29
    0
    Quote from Carlos Sala
    The captain of the ship should be punished for laxity and incompetence

    and the captain of the ship does not have superiors who put him in this position
    as an appropriately qualified officer?
  33. bravo77
    bravo77 4 August 2023 18: 32
    +4
    if someone does not understand, this fact is, to put it mildly, negligence
    apparently based on illiteracy and the principle of impunity
    happened, you can say on the front line, where it should be
    some level of readiness

    now imagine what is happening in the deep rear - the Baltic, northern, Pacific fleets

    how they will be smashed if they are hit by non-hand-to-hand ukry with their handicrafts
    and limited resources
  34. bravo77
    bravo77 4 August 2023 18: 41
    +6
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    Fuck, so the war has been going on for a year and a half. Gvrkr Moscow, twice the Crimean bridge and countless attacks on Sevastopol were blown up. How can you sleep there? IMHO of the commander of the fleet, the commander of the squadron and the commander of the ship under the court of a military tribunal


    if they do not prosecute or simply do not remove
    then apparently due to an even worse bench

    in general, the system has produced such shots for 20 years
    1. who are you
      who are you 5 August 2023 15: 55
      0
      to judge for what, but that the higher the position, the more bravura are the slogans and reports about super-duper weapons and the supply of troops and the fleet, or for calls to drop everything
  35. bravo77
    bravo77 4 August 2023 19: 12
    +1
    Quote: km-21
    There are a lot of satellites, so it is best to work out the use of anti-satellite laser weapons.


    cut the sturgeon, special

    you satellites on what basis will you blind?
    will fly over Turkey or along the Caucasian ridge and have a viewing angle
    to the south of Russia and the north of Iraq, Iran, from forging you will blind him
    you won't even know its purpose

    and your lawlessness will be answered by the arrest of oil tankers going to India
    you are whining for a grain deal, there you will generally beg on your knees
  36. ork_333
    ork_333 4 August 2023 23: 57
    -9
    Quote: Simple
    So direct criticism is now punishable, tk. automatically translated into "describation".
    And so the "army of Laos" - everything is clear to everyone.

    This so-called "Army of Laos" for a second is your army and your fleet. And already tired of squeakers from under the plinth, which climb out only when some kind of emergency happens. There is no strength to read your comments by "great strategists and thinkers". Why don't you take control of the fleet and army into your own hands? Or "it's different"? I'm already sick of the "all-propalshchik". That is not seen and not heard, but how something happened - right there. They put forward their "Napoleonic" plans!
  37. Feodor13
    Feodor13 5 August 2023 00: 09
    -1
    I believe that the F-16 will be used to a greater extent against the Crimean bases and the Black Sea Fleet, because their impact on the Russian Ground Forces will be minimal, not spectacular, and not effective. And Western sponsors of Zelensky need a picture, and a visible blow to the defense capability of the Russian Federation.
    Exactly for this, there will be enough pilots with poor practice: take off, launch a couple of air-to-surface missiles, and back.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 5 August 2023 07: 52
      0
      Even a pair of F-16s with Harpoon missiles will force our fleet to curtail operations in the southwest of the Black Sea. Well, or you will have to allocate large Air Force forces to cover them.
  38. Garris199
    Garris199 5 August 2023 02: 24
    0
    The fleet is sorely lacking in modern ships, at least three or four more ships of the 11356 type would seriously make the weather worse, but alas. How much has already been written on this site about the acute shortage of OVR corvettes in the fleets, here is the result. It is clear that the watch overslept the attack, but the ship must have automated means for the timely detection and destruction of such targets. The same PACKET-NK, in theory, should cope well with such tasks.
    1. Grancer81
      Grancer81 5 August 2023 14: 01
      0
      There are still ships there, on the sides of which some very "smart head" decided to make the inscription "Coast Guard" .... Previously, it was called the Marine Units of the Border Troops of the KGB of the USSR ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 6 August 2023 16: 54
      +1
      Quote: Garris199
      from PAKET-NK, in theory, should cope well with such tasks.

      Wake up! This is an anti-submarine / anti-torpedo complex!
  39. Mikhail Ivanov
    Mikhail Ivanov 5 August 2023 03: 46
    +4
    And the pentathlete said that all the devices were shot down ... Hmm ... That's why I don't watch TV ...
  40. Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 5 August 2023 06: 15
    -5
    How much shit in 80% of commentators, bile, and joy
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 August 2023 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      How much shit in 80% of commentators, bile, and joy

      When they say to you "For candy!" and they put plasticine in their hands, are you also happy?
  41. dump22
    dump22 5 August 2023 09: 42
    -4
    Eternal memory to the sailors-heroes of the Laotian fleet.
  42. fiv
    fiv 5 August 2023 11: 33
    +3
    Zo 20 - 50 sput can be purchased for night vision devices for watchmen. It's about noticing a black boat on a night watch. Yes, even in the Black Sea. Who does not want to do - looking for reasons, who wants to - looking for ways
    1. who are you
      who are you 5 August 2023 15: 49
      -2
      so it is necessary to announce the next collection of donations, there is no dough in the treasury of the Moscow Region
  43. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 5 August 2023 12: 03
    0
    Rolling a square, wearing a round one, and, in the end, “loving” all this is our everything!
    And when will it end, Lord?
  44. acetophenone
    acetophenone 5 August 2023 15: 36
    -1
    But is it weak for our GosDura to finish talking, according to which the drones are coming out to sail in the Black Sea without going through MOT, navigation lights and the declared route? Well, obviously the Valiant Red Banner Guards Fleet of Laos cannot cope!
  45. who are you
    who are you 5 August 2023 15: 45
    -1
    We urgently need to draw a red line across the sea, you see, instead of barriers, it will work
  46. Seamaster
    Seamaster 5 August 2023 16: 13
    0
    Something is wrong with the performance data of these drones.
    If, as stated, there are 300 kg of explosives, then both the BDK and this tanker would break in half.
    And so, judging by the results, there are about 10-30 kilograms of explosives, no more.
    And sinking a tanker in ballast, if it is degassed after unloading, is generally rotten.
    The entire cargo space of the tanker is divided into separate sections by longitudinal and transverse bulkheads.
    Have you seen the ice cube tray in your fridge? Here is the tanker, if the deck is removed.
    Well, damaged 1-2 of these "cubes" and what?
    Moreover, these "cubes" on both sides and along the bottom are purely ballast and at the time of this impact they were filled with seawater.
    So, in the resulting hole, the water rather flowed overboard, and did not enter inward.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 5 August 2023 18: 20
      0
      If the drone was launched from the coast of Ukraine, then a small explosive charge can just be explained by a large supply of fuel.
      As for the tanker, judging by the video, the impact occurred in the area of ​​​​the engine room, as a result of which a leak formed there. I don’t know exactly how regular and emergency pumps work on this tanker, but there is still a risk of flooding a de-energized vessel.
      1. Seamaster
        Seamaster 5 August 2023 21: 48
        0
        An explosion of 300 kg of modern explosives at the side and only a "leak formed"?
        What is this explosive? Sulfur splattered from match heads?
        By the way, judging by the video, the boat hit him in the pump compartment. A deck above - the cabins of the rank and file.
        And there are no dead.
        Definitely - sulfur from match heads.
  47. nesoglasen
    nesoglasen 5 August 2023 20: 19
    +1
    I remember that earlier at any time of the day there was a ship's duty officer (he himself stood) on the pier. At sea, the officer on duty, of course, looking ahead, etc., slept shorter. The guys say correctly - it's not a war, but it's not clear what. Hence the problems.
  48. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 5 August 2023 21: 00
    0
    Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
    The Lao Navy absolutely

    But the Chief Field Marshal and Admiral of the Lao Fleet, stated that no one got anywhere, though later photos and videos appeared where the BDK of the Lao Fleet was heading to its home port with a strong roll.
  49. cooper
    cooper 5 August 2023 21: 45
    -1
    "... stop messing about and prepare the army and navy for a large-scale offensive operation with the crossing of the Dnieper in the Black Sea region. While Odessa and Nikolaev are near Kiev, there is no talk of any peace in general, and calm on the Black Sea, in particular, Maybe". (c) S. Marzhetsky. - It is a pity that these quite obvious arguments are stubbornly ignored in the Kremlin. For some murky, in my opinion, reasons ...
  50. AlexWar
    AlexWar 5 August 2023 21: 59
    -2
    Drones have cameras that can be burned out with a powerful light flux and they will be blind