Russian youth are going to bring up patriotism: conscious necessity or false concern?

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Russian youth are going to bring up patriotism: conscious necessity or false concern?When it comes to civil-patriotic education of children and young people, then often begin to break the spears of supporters of various judgments. Some are convinced that the school should instill a sense of a responsible citizen of their homeland, others believe that this is a purely family prerogative, others are ready to assert that the state and only the state must deal with this problem. However, attempts of a certain differentiated approach to responsibility for the upbringing of a person and a citizen often lead to the fact that this responsibility is shifted from one shoulder to another. According to the logic of things, the family, and the school, and, of course, the state should be responsible for raising young people, but so far, sadly, no one is responsible. The parents of the child declare that even if the problem is solved by the teachers, they in turn nod at parents who have missed, in their opinion, the moment of inculcating the basics of patriotism, and, finally, all together declare that the state is to blame for all troubles - only it is one.

And now, apparently, the Russian authorities are tired of walking in the switchmen, allegedly leading the locomotive of patriotism on the siding, and the authorities decided to make a move that is meant to give impetus to solving this urgent problem. According to one of the ideas, the civil-patriotic education of Russians is called upon to be dealt with by the department with the rather entertaining name “Rospatriotism”, which in turn is a structure of the Federal Agency for Youth Affairs. The agency itself is headed by Sergey Belokonev, and Vadim Lobov will be in charge of the direct work on the implementation of projects to instil a sense of patriotism among Russian young people. Mr. Lobov is the Director of Rospatriotcenter and at the same time the Rector of the Moscow Financial and Industrial University Synergy. For several years, Vadim Lobov has been implementing a curriculum based on the basic principles of civic education and patriotism among modern youth: training camps, military courses are held, there are several websites dedicated to stories Russia, the glorious victories of the Russian weapons, meetings with veterans, trips to military units are organized.

According to some data, the new structure "Rospatriotism" will begin active work from next year. At the same time, there is information that the youth affairs agency plans to borrow the most progressive links of the Soviet military-patriotic school to implement educational and educational projects. Such links include the famous sports complex of the TRP - the “Ready for Labor and Defense” program, the famous game “Zarnitsa” and much more.

It is worth recalling that the TRP program, developed in the USSR in the early thirties, was a balanced system of standards and requirements for physical development and the level of preparedness of citizens belonging to different age groups. At the same time, the goal of the TRP system was not only the development of young people in the physical sense of the word, but also preparation for effective work, protection of the Fatherland and the formation of moral character. It should be noted that in the middle of 70-s of the last century, the “Ready for Labor and Defense” system in the USSR managed to fulfill 58 of millions of people. This is more than an impressive figure! What now? Where is the preparation for work, where is the supremacy of the principle of a healthy lifestyle, where is the moral character?

We have to admit that today, literally with each of these provisions, Russian youth have problems. Despite the fact that the number of lessons in physical education at school has grown, the majority of these lessons are absolutely formal. Pupils in their bulk perceive physical education lessons as a kind of misunderstanding in the schedule: at best, they can kick a ball in jeans, at worst - you can ignore the lesson in general - they say, well, who is this physical training teacher? development, speak? Yes, I'd rather spend the time on a new game software in the smartphone or “fly” for cigarettes and a jar of cocktail to the nearest store during the break. I don’t have 18 yet, but the store needs revenue - they will sell anyway ... ”

Of course, not all schoolchildren and students have such thoughts. And in Soviet times there were those who didn’t spit on the “TRP badge on his chest” from the high bell tower. But the modern youth tendency looks painfully negative in terms of seeing its role in public life. Social life itself today is often nothing more than “likes” and advantages on social networks, trolling on forums and almost complete helplessness if you want to solve real problems and problems. Like, why should I decide something myself: let the father decide, the tutor, the director, the head of the administration, the president ... "They will sing the hymn on the school line-up - they have found a clown ... Let the teacher sing, it’s in United Russia!"

“The moral look, say ... Well, well ... Look at the bus stop for the disabled person in 30-degree frost left. So what? And there is nothing for people with disabilities to leave the house in the cold. I would have sat myself in my wheelchair - nothing would have happened ... Eh, it's a pity there is no video in YouTube ... "

This is a kind of quintessence of what can be called the other side of citizenship and a sense of duty. And however disgusting this quintessence may look - it is. She permeated our entire society from young to old. We are ready to rejoice in the misfortune of our neighbors, because this misfortune has passed us by. We are ready to go over each other’s heads, just to achieve a bright consumer future. We are ready to talk about patriotism, but at the same time shout in the queue at the station: “Grandfather, where are you going ahead of everyone! Well, what if the order? Tomorrow I'll buy myself the same ... "

At the same time, many will say: well, that's it, brothers, they have arrived - if the state decided to announce the development of a strategy for educating young people of civic-patriotic feelings, then everything will come down to banal campaigning, the search for unrealizable forms of education, and indeed to one continuous negative. Like, the TRP has come up with something else ... Yes, our children are not Robotsso that someone tries to program them for the right attitude towards the family, the team, the small and large Motherland.

However, in this approach one feels a certain amount of self-isolation and attempts to reduce everything to the ephemeral concept of personal freedom - liberalism. And the majority of people who make attempts to dissociate themselves from public life, which is surprising, more often than others declare the state’s indecision in terms of raising the level of civil-patriotic education. The situation often boils down to the banal "all-pro-kadadizmu": "The government does nothing in terms of educating responsible citizens, the authorities pursue a deliberate policy of destroying the moral character of the people, society is decomposed from the inside, but we are not going to start with ourselves anyway maybe? .. ”And as soon as such a person is offered concrete steps on the part of the state, he is thrown to the other extreme:“ Aha! The state is trying to limit our rights and freedoms! Look, see, create a new structure, as if you can raise patriotism under the lash! Again, all stolen, be sure to steal! We must run! ”

At the end of the material, I would like to state that for the first time in more than a decade 2 in our country, issues of civil-patriotic education of young people are raised not at the level of "blah bla-show", but receive the state legislative base. One may say that the government will not succeed, and that patriotism cannot be fostered by the letter of the law, that new agencies, projects and centers are another corruption mechanism. But such reasoning is more like impetuous and insurmountable pessimism, which is more like a diagnosis.

The new organization plans not only to revive the Soviet positive experience, but also to proceed from modern realities. One of the areas of work chosen popularization of military service. Schoolchildren for a certain time are going to acquaint with everyday life. In addition, support will be provided to military-patriotic and search clubs, youth sports projects, sections. In the near future, the first regional offices of Rospatriotism will be created in Khabarovsk, Kaliningrad and Novosibirsk. It is planned to conduct multi-stage work to attract young people to local history work, work to expand the information field of a historical nature. Huge work will be carried out in educational institutions at various levels.

Obviously, the big problem of the decline of morality in Russian society is difficult to solve overnight with the help of a single agency, but you need to start with something. And this is a start. The main thing is that it does not drown in the wave of mass a priori criticism, does not dissolve by itself, and was supported not only by those in power, but also by the public.

Very much depends on the large multilateral support of the project in this regard. Frankly, I hope that the state initiative will lead to real progress. But it should not be forgotten that the education of patriotism and citizenship is such a thing that it would be nice to start embodying in your family, class, team, not only after instructions from the authorities ...
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  1. +8
    19 December 2012 08: 32
    Patriotism should be promoted, morality too.
    1. Alex 543
      +18
      19 December 2012 08: 48
      Patriotism should be educated, not promoted !!!
      1. Gorchakov
        +18
        19 December 2012 09: 03
        Patriotism should be educated and propagandized ,,,, !!!
        1. Alex 543
          +3
          19 December 2012 09: 24
          I agree, but only in that order.
        2. +7
          19 December 2012 10: 12
          Patriotism must be brought up and promoted simultaneously at the same time. Otherwise, it turns out like in the fable of Krylov Swan cancer pike.
        3. Slayer
          +4
          19 December 2012 11: 51
          Quote: Gorchakov

          Patriotism should be educated and propagandized ,,,, !!!

          I agree. One generation has grown in which the heroes were a betman and a spider-man, right now the second is growing in which all sorts of anime characters are heroes. It is necessary to cultivate pride and patriotism from childhood, when the child forms his worldview, before everyone wanted to become astronauts, but right now ... In general, you need to start all over again with the simplest things
          1. F-22
            0
            20 December 2012 12: 42
            And you look deeper. No one forces children to watch Spider-Man, Betman or anime.
            The problem is that Russia cannot offer its heroes whom it would be interesting to watch?
            And there, abroad, America and Japan show children a fairy tale about their beautiful life. And the children are drawn to this tale. Because what they see is an abomination outside the window.
        4. +3
          19 December 2012 15: 46
          Quote: Gorchakov
          Patriotism should be educated and propagandized ,,,, !!!

          The correct statement is beyond doubt. But patriotic education should be based on a certain ideological platform. And what is our ideology in our state, can anyone here on the site clearly say? I think that apart from, as they say, "the golden calf", there is nothing definite What kind of education program within the country can we talk about, if initially there is no foundation on which it should be based. And the actions of each and every one must correspond to this base, then there will be success. There will be no gap between theory and practice. And so this is an empty talking shop Once again, there is a request from society on this topic, they will make an appearance, they will rest a little and will be abandoned like everything else.
          1. Grenz
            +4
            19 December 2012 18: 36
            baltika-18,
            patriotic education should be based on a certain ideological platform

            Correctly! In essence !!! Here is the core of the whole problem !!

            "Rospatriotism" is horror and an empty shell. Again money - again a feeder. The new functionary (in this case, Lobov. By the way, he was named by the author of the article) LORD . Wow: Mr. Patriot. This is the same as a comrade policeman) imprisoned on it and will go to the Duma.
            Why so reason.
            Well, here is a concept of patriotic education in front of me (adopted in the first term of the presidency), an appropriate program and plan indicating the terms. There are even 2012 and 2013 years. Who remembers her? AU- where is the execution.
            The ideology "For the Motherland - for Chubais" will not work anymore. So "Rospatriotism" without an ideological platform understood by the people is a whistle.
            But the support of patriotic clubs, ranger detachments and other amateur organizations would be such a foundation.
            And equipment and food and premises (rent), remuneration of educators (if we talk about public policy), the creation and financial support of sites, the promotion of media activities (not just dug up and reburied somewhere), but using well-known TV programs.
            (The same "Zvezda" - "We are from the future" and clumsy reports from the thieves garrisons and that's all. Yes, "Wings of the Motherland" - but that's how they are posted on the Internet. ") Efficiency in this matter is very low.
            Yes, here's the trouble. We have to work specifically here. And who in our power is eager to work specifically. I do not remember.
            1. +3
              19 December 2012 23: 11
              I have been leading the military-patriotic club for 10 years. Salary -1000 rub. per month .. (For the first 6 years I worked for free). Well, at least the youth department pays trips to competitions (8 trips to regional competitions a year after all!) From the base of tents, sleeping bags and one AK layout (everything was bought in 2008-2009) The youth departments ended, the youth departments were disbanded, funds for youth policy cut back. So you only have to dream about updating the database ... But you really want to believe that everything will change for the better ...
              1. Slayer
                0
                20 December 2012 04: 06
                MstislavHrabr was poorly requested))), I do rock music, and in the year of youth we asked for a whole Soviet cinema, 2 floors, where we turned films into a concert hall and converted them at public expense. In general, we collected only 3 thousand signatures for this, and we made such a gift. Maybe you just asked badly?)))
              2. Grenz
                0
                20 December 2012 09: 04
                MstislavHrabr,
                Huge respect to you!
                My friend and father have been in the military-historical club for many years. They are invited to events related to the reconstruction of various battles. So they buy gunpowder and buy food for their money and pay for the road themselves. And what do the officials write in the reports. And your club apparently recorded in their asset.
                Down there is a comment that was poorly requested.
                Not true. Yes, there is money for a rock concert, where there is a lot of cod, and we are supporting youth for PR for the authorities. And this is just a hangout for this very youth.
                Do search engines need money? Well, they dug up a couple of fighters, well, they learned the names, well, two grannies found out where their sons laid their heads.
                Well, what a good thing for an official. There is no PR. There is no pump or window dressing, i.e. this is not work. Costly and troublesome, but the concert is loud and everyone sees what a caring owner of the municipal union is.
            2. 0
              19 December 2012 23: 17
              Quote: grenz
              But the support of patriotic clubs, ranger detachments and other amateur organizations would be such a foundation.

              Quote: grenz
              but using well-known TV programs.


              Here even more "dough" can be "drowned" than in OboronService!
              Create support in the media, like "2 fingers on the asphalt."

              TRP standards from the USSR is 100000000000000000000000000000000 FOR!
              It all starts on a school bench.
              Therefore, where are FIZRUKI, where is the equipment in the gyms, where are the gyms themselves?
              Money needs to be allocated to the Ministry of Education, and we (as parents) have the opportunity to see and control the spending of the Moscow Region.
              We will not give our children "offense"? soldier
              Although the lion's share of schools in such buildings is located that "my God!" crying
              hi
            3. +2
              19 December 2012 23: 51
              Quote: grenz
              The same "Zvezda" - "We are from the future" and clumsy reports from thieves garrisons
              There is a post-war "Star" with Kryuchkov and Merkuriev. Takes for the soul ...
              1. Grenz
                +1
                20 December 2012 08: 33
                Papakiko,
                Uncle,

                Dear Colleagues.
                But who is against it. But in schools remained physical education? And what salary they are promoting a healthy lifestyle. BLOGERS are now held in high esteem, not sport.
                They don't steal money in clubs because there are still honest people and they don't work with the boys for money. The film "Star" is also known and remembered there.
                It is necessary to support not only the patriotism proposed from above, but also that which comes from the people themselves, which is not staged (t-shirts, balls, flags), but comes from the Russian soul.
          2. +2
            20 December 2012 00: 03
            Quote: baltika-18
            A true statement can not be doubted. But patriotic education should be based on a certain ideological platform. And what is the ideology in our state, can anyone clearly say here on the site?


            The words of the great Russian philosopher N. Berdyaev about patriotism of power. If the authorities have only IDEOLOGY in words, but in reality in vain is completely different, there can be no talk of any effective patriotic education from above.
            We Russians are too used to saying that our homeland is on the verge of destruction. We have been talking about this for so long, and our words are so ineffective, and their practical consequences are so insignificant that soon no one will believe the sincerity and seriousness of our words. All words lost their specific weight and ceased to be effective. There is only a quick change of ministers who frantically trying to form a strong national government, but this rearrangement of atoms gives the impression of painful impotence, and nothing essential changes from it. This phenomenon is quite analogous to the "ministerial leapfrog" that took place in the last period of the old regime. The basic direction of public will remains the same. To get out of tragic powerlessness, an internal psychic shift is necessary, a different spiritual atmosphere of power is needed, freer, more loving for the truth, inspired not by selfish, class and too human ideas, but by objective national and state ideas that do not depend on human arbitrariness. Many admit that at this terrible and tragic moment in Russian history Only patriotic rise can save Russiaonly exceptional strain of national spirit. But we do not have this impulse, there are only appeals to him and words about him. All the patriotic and state words of the government, uttered at the Moscow state meeting, remained words, did not go into effect. All this new terminology for the Russian revolutionary intelligentsia only means that our state babies go through primary school and learn to pronounce the words in their warehouses: fatherland, nation, state. It would be more natural, it would seem, that the power in this difficult moment belongs to those who have long learned these words and whose psychology is more suitable for saving the state and for its construction

            From the article PATRIOTISM AND POLICY here
        5. +1
          19 December 2012 23: 49
          Quote: Gorchakov
          Patriotism should be educated and propagandized ,,,, !!!

          It’s true, of course, but we’ll get it wrong, such role models are thought up that we regret talking about the upbringing of patriotism. Be a patriot yourself, in fact, not in words, and your children will be patriots. Yes, you can even in words, do not use, if possible, borrowed words, in Russian you will find a similarity (synonym).
      2. +5
        19 December 2012 13: 03
        Alexey 543,
        Patriotism should sprout from childhood. The habitat itself creates it. All layers of the state and society, culture - everything works on the idea of ​​patriotism. Otherwise, empty companionship.
        Everything is created under the influence of a personal example.
        1. bask
          +8
          19 December 2012 13: 54
          Quote: Ross
          Everything is created under the influence of personal pr

          ,,,,, MAIN ,,, PATRIOT ,, ALL RUSSIA..you have the power. THE MEDIA belongs to the patriots, or there will be patriotic programs ... ???? For all the media there is daily propaganda, Amer’s way of life, permissiveness, pederasty, Lezbianism, and so on .... And the main one ,,, PATRIOT ... leads our government. liberalists .. Only a change of course and regime. From wild oligarchic capitalism. To a socially oriented economy and government consisting of patriots will change the situation. In the meantime, there’s only one bizneshshshshtTviteristy, tweeters ... am
          1. bask
            0
            19 December 2012 14: 00
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            God forbid, those who compose history textbooks will be engaged in propaganda.
    2. +15
      19 December 2012 09: 11
      Quote: Deniska999

      Patriotism must be promoted, morality too

      God forbid, those who compose history textbooks will be engaged in propaganda.
      1. +4
        19 December 2012 11: 45
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        God forbid, those who compose history textbooks will be engaged in propaganda.


        And who else? They will be there, there is no doubt, because there are simply no other figures ... From all this, another bureaucratic ball will grow up, which will generate reports and conduct formal events to justify the money spent.
        They say, "to revive the experience of the USSR" ... So in the USSR, almost all departments were involved in patriotic and ideological education to one degree or another, at least somehow involved in education at different levels. And those departments that did not engage in education were stuffed with ideological workers who supported that patriotism with their own means. In addition, the entire system of mass media in the USSR was sharpened for the education and propaganda of this very patriotism.

        Is it possible now? I think no. The situation will turn out to be idiotic - some department will promote patriotism, and most of the media will mix it with shit and promote the "cult of cash", as is happening now ...

        No, guys ... Patriotism is brought up from an early age by parents, and not by departments. The current generation of bureaucracy is completely devoid of this feeling, from which I conclude that from the whole idea it will turn out "that always" - that is, complete profanation and money laundering ...
      2. bask
        +6
        19 December 2012 14: 06
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        God forbid, those who compile history textbooks will be engaged in proganda

        ONE REMAINS. TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN IN THE SPIRIT OF PATRIATISM IN OUR FAMILIES .. !!! AND MORE STUDY THE REAL HISTORY OF RUSSIA, CULTURE. READ RUSSIAN CLASSICS, POETS ..
        1. +3
          19 December 2012 14: 57
          bask,
          ONE REMAINS. TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN IN THE SPIRIT OF PATRIATISM IN OUR FAMILIES .. !!! AND MORE STUDY THE REAL HISTORY OF RUSSIA, CULTURE. READ RUSSIAN CLASSICS, POETS ..


          Right buddy bask! And this is called instilling native Russian culture!

          PS: Remember how the reform of the school began at the previous office? With the replacement of literature by physical education! Here he is all liberal patriotism.
    3. PatriotizTAT
      +3
      19 December 2012 09: 26
      In our country, unfortunately, everything is done by half, so first the result then the bazaar station !!! hi Let them first do it and then how the grandmothers on the bench only know how to scratch their tongues !!!
      1. +26
        19 December 2012 10: 04
        For the first time, I will probably allow myself such a comment.

        ALL THIS IS Nonsense!

        This pathetic attempt is nothing more than a belated reaction to the fact that once again the authorities were surprised to discover something. "Oh, damn it, look, there are no patriots left!" Good morning, dear comrades! I am extremely happy for you!

        I will not touch on basic things. The fact that both the state, the school, and the family should educate CITIZENS in the literal sense of the word is unambiguous. And it’s clear that the state doesn’t give a damn about it from the high bell tower (well, except for the elections and the call - that is, the saint), I’m just silent about the teachers, family ... well, you know where.

        There are still people (and glory to them !!!) who consider it their duty to pay attention to the civic education of their offspring. There is. But it is rather in the rank of exception. The bulk simply cannot afford it. And I almost do not blame them. Life is like that. Which, I allow myself to note, who arranged? That's right, the same state.

        And now, that means, realizing that everyone has sailed, it creates Gospatriotizm ... Yes ... neighing from the heart. We have already patriotic education, patriotic army (thank God, it seems not to the end), agriculture patriotized, police repatriated, and now I’m going to patriot plush mail. Let's see what remains of her.

        I have nothing against the Synergy gang. The guys are definitely smart and advanced. BUT. This is where this freaking BUT comes in again. The tops are understandable. IN THE LOWERS WHO WILL BE PATRIOT? And ... yes ... there is this ... party of power ... the core of everything ... Well, well ... Everything is as usual: Putin said "must!" - Edro answered "Yes!" And it went to eat. If they patriot the way they fought against corruption ... Right now, everyone who is not yet imbued with posts, and will go to plant. Offices will be opened, furniture and computers will be instructed, they will put themselves in prison and begin to patriot. Speak clever words at rallies, study problems and develop ways to solve them. Conduct all sorts of competitions and grants (already shaking from this term !!!!), write reports and conduct statistical research. And then report that the level of patriotism for the reporting period increased by 1,93% compared to 2002 and is already 2,2% of the 1913 level ...

        All this is disgusting. I thought that this topic is painful for me, so I will write in more detail how patriotism is instilled in Russia.
        I apologize, I got a little frustrated, but now I’ll quickly make one material based on this year’s open data, look how patriots are being helped here. And conclude who we have patriots.
        1. +3
          19 December 2012 10: 32
          Nasty all this
          I agree with your findings on all 100! Patriotism is EDUCATED, not vaccinated, like a vaccination! It is brought up at home, in the family in the first place. And, I dare say, the process is long, painstaking. When the family, which, as you know, is the unit of society, lives under the influence of lies and chatter pouring from above, when those in power say one thing, do the other and think the third, then, excuse me, but in such an atmosphere, it’s NOT possible to educate a patriotic generation REALLY!
          If they will patriot the way they fought corruption - But how else is that? Otherwise, they do not know how!
        2. +5
          19 December 2012 10: 47
          Quote: Banshee
          For the first time, I will probably allow myself such a comment.

          Allow and more often. That's all true. good + + + + +

          Quote: Banshee
          I have nothing against the Synergy gang.

          Such as they can not be allowed to form a concept of patriotic education on a cannon shot.
        3. Fox 070
          +11
          19 December 2012 12: 53
          Quote: Banshee
          IN THE LOWS WHO WILL PATRIOT?

          Good afternoon, Roman! You have asked an interesting question. With your permission, I will allow myself to admit that apart from the government (and others like it) we are also engaged in patriotic education, participating in the work of the Military Review website (and not only). The thoughts we express are read by a huge audience, and the degree of trust in our attempts to return youth pride for their country, love for it and respect for their people, its past and present depends on how sincere these thoughts are.
          It is no secret that some of the visitors to the site are actively promoting liberal ideas and the "Western way of life", deliberately exaggerating the negative aspects of our social life (which are already enough) and extolling (often not deservedly) the technological achievements of the "West", creating a deceptive impression about the absence of the latest developments in Russia (in the military industry in particular). This is also one of the moments of patriotic education. The only way to express your attitude to such actions is to increase or decrease the rating of this particular user.
          And now let me ask you a question as a moderator: Will it be the right decision for the site administration to raise the rating of a user who falls in accordance with the voting of other visitors? How patriotic will the administration of the site look, and the site as a whole, if after frankly provocative comments that infringe on the dignity of Russia, a falling user rating suddenly jumps (once again) to heaven? I'm talking about a user under the nickname "Professor", whose rating (for the third time, at least) soared in one night from "captain" to "major general"... For what such merits? For those translations of technical articles about Israeli military equipment that he does? ... In this case, you should probably look for another translator, but not to mislead site visitors who begin to assume that the site takes an openly pro-Zionist position, supporting such "commentators ".
          We often talk about the "policy of double standards", about its viciousness and, nevertheless, we ourselves use it to the fullest ... If you remember, there was a user on the site "Vadim 555", who was banned not for obscenities or other insults, but for the fact that he tried to resist the dominance of the Zionists on the site and opposed their babbling with well-reasoned comments. For that "Professor" along with his delirium, the administration pulls ...
          All this looks extremely ... patriotic !!!
          Sorry for some sharpness - it’s boiling ... hi
          1. Karish
            0
            19 December 2012 14: 04
            Quote: Fox 070
            The thoughts expressed by us are read by a huge audience, and the degree of trust in our attempts to return pride for our country to youth depends on how sincere these thoughts are.

            Personally, you definitely returned the fox to one. Respect
            [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = wJAOorHDPdA
          2. +2
            19 December 2012 18: 35
            Answer.
            Personally, I nothing is known about raising the professor’s rating by the administration. Moreover, more than once I watched how it was that they raised ratings for other users during the night. Well, and omitted too. So here ...
            I’m probably not the right moderator, because I’m just not aware of such things. At least, none of the administration has discussed such things with me, and I think it will not discuss it. Firstly, because it will not make sense; secondly, my disregard for Smirnov’s rating is already well known. In general, it is better to ask him. If you are interested in my opinion on this subject - Smirnov has something to do besides such nonsense.

            As for the Professor, my opinion is this: HOW he often provides information, I do not always like it. But the fact that it is quality is a fact. His personal qualities ... well, we are all not without sin.
            1. Fox 070
              +3
              19 December 2012 20: 10
              Quote: Banshee
              But the fact that it is quality is a fact.

              Is not a fact! He repeatedly fell for lies, but I agree with one thing - it is always served in a beautiful package.
              Forgive me, my post was not specifically for you. feel hi
        4. 0
          19 December 2012 23: 55
          I think not only the house brings up patriots. Military-patriotic clubs are educated through the collective. The main task of my club is preparation for military service and activities in emergency situations. Nobody is forced into the club. The regional "Zarnitsa" and regional fees of the military-industrial complex provide a very large recharge. A child cannot live with distant goals; he wants to realize himself here and now. Therefore, the more often the competition is, the more he tries. It is very good if there is a room for classes, equipment ... And it is very important when there is a good leader who is not indifferent to which of these guys will turn out ... We have more than 200 military-industrial complex in our region, and 20-30 go to competitions. Just because they need to show what you taught the guys, whether they know how to work in a team, overcome difficulties, help each other, etc. Therefore, of course, it is necessary to help those who deserve it (whether "Rospatriotism" deserves support for me is a big question!) But, I ask you not to spread rot about the idea of ​​supporting the military-industrial complex !!!
        5. Grenz
          0
          20 December 2012 09: 20
          Banshee,
          We are waiting.
          Here is the topic to continue the conversation!
          It is based on being Russia a great state or continuing to slide into the abyss of oblivion.
    4. 0
      19 December 2012 10: 13
      Quote: Deniska999
      Patriotism should be promoted, morality too.

      A must, but propaganda through the mouths of those who plunders budget planning looks VERY unconvincing.
      With us, half of the generals will not creep into the pattern, I am silent about the tank hatch.
      1. Karish
        -9
        19 December 2012 14: 12
        Fox 070,

        Quote: Fox 070
        The thoughts expressed by us are read by a huge audience, and the degree of trust in our attempts to return pride for our country, love for it and respect for our people, their past and present depends on how sincere these thoughts are.

        The results were not long in coming. This is your customer. Respect Lisu

        Quote: Fox 070
        I'm talking about a user under the nickname "Professor", who (for the third time, at least) soared in one night from "captain" to "major general".

        Envy does not give rest? Aesop's fable about the Fox and grapes read?
        Quote: Fox 070
        that he tried to resist the dominance of the Zionists on the site and opposed their babbling with well-reasoned comments. For that "Professor" along with his delirium, the administration pulls ...

        laughing Squalor.
        1. Fox 070
          +7
          19 December 2012 14: 49
          Quote: Karish
          Envy does not give rest?

          Why envy? That your whole kagal head is regularly thrown into the latrine?
          Quote: Karish
          Squalor.

          You are right, the professor is really "squalor"! And you have not run far. bully hi
        2. +2
          19 December 2012 23: 14
          This is your client.

          It is a sin to laugh at a person with disabilities stop
          1. Cavas
            +1
            19 December 2012 23: 17
            Quote: Joker
            It is a sin to laugh at a person with disabilities

            Oleg! hi
            Can I steal your statement, here the guy on the next branch needs to be answered? feel
            1. +3
              20 December 2012 03: 15
              Ahaha, you can, only I talked about the video laughing
    5. +1
      19 December 2012 20: 14
      I do not agree that patriotism should be promoted. Patriotism must be brought up (I agree with Aleksey 543). And what kind of patriotism among young people can we talk about - it does not exist and is not expected. Let's remember the USSR - they began to bring up love for the Motherland in kindergarten, telling what a wonderful country we live in, then the school, where at first you become "Oktyabrenk" and walk proudly. that on your chest you have an asterisk with grandfather Lenin, then pioneers (what pride you have become a pioneer). pioneer rallies and campaigns, which were necessarily attended by some people who glorified the Motherland either in war or in space (we had an honorary pioneer cosmonaut G.T. Beregovoi at our school), then the Komsomol, and finally the army or navy, where everything was put to cultivate self-sacrifice for the Motherland in a soldier. We, who lived most of our lives there, have a sense of patriotism, despite the fact that modern politicians are trying to corrode it. It is now useless to instill in a young man a sense of patriotism, just as it is to transplant Putin to a ZIL. On TV, there are entirely American films showing how good it is to live in America, programs in which sometimes openly screw up Russia and everything that is produced, developed, and exploited in Russia. The young man will no longer sit on a Russian car (this is bullshit, a tin can, a rattle and many more names), he will not erase Russian films, and much more. This is the fault of the authorities and only the authorities. it is impossible to re-educate a modern young man. We need to start with those who go to kindergarten now. Maybe that will come out.
      1. +1
        19 December 2012 20: 27
        Quote: starshina78
        You need to start with those who now go to kindergarten. Maybe something will come of it.

        It is necessary to begin with those who are in the womb. And even more precisely with the young mothers themselves.
        One generation is already lost. I’m afraid that there’s more than one.
  2. +2
    19 December 2012 08: 44
    The situation often boils down to banal “all-pro-propism”: “The authorities do nothing in terms of educating responsible citizens, the authorities pursue a deliberate policy of destroying the moral image of the people, the society is decomposing from the inside, but we are not going to start from ourselves anyway - we are extreme is it? .. "And as soon as such a person is offered concrete steps by the state, he is thrown to the other extreme:" Aha! The state is trying to limit our rights and freedoms! Look, look, they are creating a new structure, as if patriotism can be raised from under a stick! Again, steal everything, be sure to steal! We must run! ”


    There is such a sign: everything launched by VedRiki - when trying to fix ... in general, it turns out as always ©
  3. kNow
    +16
    19 December 2012 08: 51
    It is useless to start with youth ... You have to start with kindergarten ...
    1. AndreyAB
      +9
      19 December 2012 09: 50
      And my conviction must begin with the way of thinking and lifestyle of parents.
  4. borisst64
    +15
    19 December 2012 08: 52
    For children to grow up as patriots, they must be proud of their state, their police, their army, what he sees on TV and on the street. And there he sees devastation, death, blood, theft and betrayal. Although we have a lot of good, but for some reason they try to talk about the bad.
    1. Grenz
      +1
      19 December 2012 22: 40
      borisst64,
      they should be proud of their state, their policemen,
      In-in, especially we should be proud of the police.
      Death, blood, theft and betrayal were not to blame for the country.
      Speaking of betrayal.
      Indeed, it was the near-policeman (in the sense of a district police officer) who handed over the place of residence of Colonel Budanov to the Chechens.
      A good example for patriotic education.
      Proud of the Army. Which one?
      Formed from the American-style brigades,
      And from the point of view of the patriot - to whom the regiments prevented. After all, smart armies know the power of regiments.
      Because the word POLK (BY ELBOW) - from the ancient means - warriors stand nearby: in the left hand is a shield, in the right spear, and with the elbows they touch the elbow of a comrade. And when the regiments were formed according to the territorial principle (Vladimirovsky, Voronezh), then a father, brother, friend stood nearby.
      That is the strength of the regiment.
      Well, we know the strength of the brigade: both the field and the gang. Museums, clubs, newspapers and educators in the army are reduced. By the way, the holiest name was also taken away from the border guards - the border outpost (now a branch).
      So where is the basis for patriotic education?
      In society, no, in the army and even more so.
  5. +11
    19 December 2012 08: 53
    By and large, along with patriotism, the people need to return socialism and national wealth.
  6. +8
    19 December 2012 09: 02
    Better late than never. Otherwise, we will finally turn into stupid and insensible bigmac eaters, staring at the glamor of television lustily.
    1. +3
      19 December 2012 11: 34
      Sinbad,
      Totally agree with you!
      I thought such a thought would never occur to anyone!
      BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! hi
  7. +12
    19 December 2012 09: 13
    Yes, really .... a few years ago the word "patriot" was equated with the words "nationalist", "fascist" ......... it was practically abusive ....
    Something apparently in the minds of those holding power has moved ......
    And everything is simple-
    -in schools again to introduce NVP or a similar lesson,
    - to promote books, films on a patriotic and military-patriotic theme,
    -in schools and other educational institutions to make a greater bias on the study of the glorious pages of history Great country....
    .... Who now knows the heroes of Russia, as they used to know the names of Meresyev, Matrosov, Gastello, Stakhanov and many others ...... But they are these heroes and now ........ how many of them appeared during Chechen wars, how many submarine commanders became Heroes of Russia? Nobody knows them ....
    But it should be the other way around ........ the kids from the kindergarten should know our heroes, dream of becoming sailors, pilots. Polar explorers, astronauts, etc.
    It was all .....
    But of course you need to change the situation ...... it is not too late ......
    1. +3
      19 December 2012 10: 05
      Dear, what needs to be changed is yes. Another question, WHO will change?
      1. +6
        19 December 2012 11: 55
        We will change, we! ..............................
        at least I have a son and two daughters .... and I will explain to them who is hu! ......
        And the elders 22 and 23 already understand them. that Coca-Cola and jeans, the country should live ..... and who won the 2nd World War, and do not confuse the concept of democracy with permissiveness ...
        1. +2
          20 December 2012 00: 14
          This is ours !!! We will do!!! And the state will help - good! It will not help, well, to hell with it. Homeland, then she is alone! We will not have another. This is the truth and we will draw strength in this!
      2. Antistaks
        +5
        19 December 2012 13: 54
        How will anyone change? Uncles and aunts whose kids in England are studying. Or there is still an active deputy Maria Kozhevnikova. Frankly, I hate EP, but if she gives it to me, I’ll enter right away (I’m such a venal grandfather).
        1. 0
          19 December 2012 14: 09
          So, it turns out, why there are so many members in the EP ... Is Maria Kozhevnikova really? feel
        2. Fox 070
          +11
          19 December 2012 14: 20
          Quote: Antistaks
          Active MP Maria Kozhevnikova

          Here he is - PATRIOTISM...
          1. bask
            +8
            19 December 2012 15: 00
            Quote: Fox 070
            Here it is - PATRIOTISM ...

            FELIX .. So to say, a good example, for the younger generation ..... laughing And another example of incredible intelligence, MEMBER..ER in a thought ...
            1. Antistaks
              +1
              19 December 2012 16: 02
              The photo shows a very talented gymnast, but as soon as she joined the EP, she immediately drained the Olympic Games.
              1. Antistaks
                +3
                19 December 2012 16: 13
                Oh sclerosis - I forgot the picture.
                1. Antistaks
                  0
                  19 December 2012 16: 31
                  And another great athlete who missed the Olympics after joining EP.
        3. bask
          +6
          19 December 2012 14: 41
          Quote: Antistaks
          Or there is still an active deputy Maria Kozhevnikova. Frankly, I hate EP, but if she gives it to me, I’ll enter right away (I’m such a venal grandfather).

          AND IF THIS IS DUST. . GETTING STARTED ???? fellow fellow fellow
          1. Fox 070
            +7
            19 December 2012 16: 16
            Quote: bask
            AND IF THIS IS DUST. . GETTING STARTED ????

            ETA will not, she has other preferences !!! belay
            1. bask
              0
              19 December 2012 18: 02
              Quote: Fox 070
              ETA will not, she has other preferences

              Call of blood..... laughing
            2. makarich26
              +1
              20 December 2012 01: 30
              Everyone by +. Neighing from the heart !!!
    2. Captain Vrungel
      +11
      19 December 2012 10: 13
      It is necessary to change. And we must start from the very top. Patriotism by decree or order will not come. It is born with mother's milk and is inoculated according to the principle of "Do as I do". How can you instill patriotism if you observe the thieves' authorities and officials. The power of money, not the power of law. In the media. on TV and in soap series, projects like "Dom-2", the main "hero" is tough bandits, stupid rubbish, glamorous idlers, life-burners, on cool cars, elite parties, where they are entertained (for a pittance) by famous pop music. Serials about the army, where the officers are stupid, warrant officers are stupid and "funny and resourceful" conscripts. Where is one smart from the whole pack of the family, in glasses, in an old man's outfit and with a face only for an archival worker.
      You need to start with yourself. To put the world surrounding youth from head to foot. To begin painstaking work from the very top to the kindergarten and instill patriotism not by the method of zombie and suggestion to fanaticism, but by the method of understanding and awareness to the depths of the heart.
      1. +4
        19 December 2012 10: 37
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        How can you instill patriotism if you observe the thieves' authorities and officials. The power of money, not the power of law. In the media. on TV and in soap series, projects like "Dom-2", the main "hero" is tough bandits, stupid rubbish, glamorous idlers, life-burners, on cool cars, elite parties, where they are entertained (for a pittance) by famous pop music.

        You are absolutely right, Yuri. When you see one thing and they tell you another, what feeling a person should have.
      2. bask
        +7
        19 December 2012 18: 16
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        ETA will not, she has others preferred

        Just a toad ... laughing
  8. +15
    19 December 2012 09: 14
    They bring up. Yes, and no one to educate. Who will do this, Zhirik, Shoigu, Chubik, Golikova, Khristenko, Fursenko, Medvedev? ..................
    . You can’t list them all, they cannot put a banal order in the country, and moral education is a titanic work of knowledgeable and experienced people. Whoever has the Golden Taurus in his head is far from patriotism and morality.
    1. Alex 543
      +7
      19 December 2012 09: 22
      PARENTS bring up! The leadership of the country and the motherland are not the same thing !!!
      1. AndreyAB
        +4
        19 December 2012 09: 47
        It is certainly not the same thing, but leadership is also a country and we don’t have another, and when it has all the media in its hands, then parents will not be able to do anything, unless of course they move to uninhabited areas.
    2. AndreyAB
      0
      19 December 2012 09: 49
      And if, hypothetically, even the diamonds' interest of at least one of them is taken into account, then it will turn out to be completely bad.
  9. Lech e-mine
    +12
    19 December 2012 09: 16
    Our ministers are
    unable to be PATRIOTS.
    If the Minister of Education LIVANOV advocates the adoption of RUSSIAN CHILDREN by the Americans, what can we say about patriotism. (It must be confirmed by deeds)
    1. +11
      19 December 2012 09: 49
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      Our ministers are
      unable to be PATRIOTS.

      I would paraphrase a little. With our current system of values, it is very difficult to instill patriotic feelings in young people. They will say one thing, they will see something else, they will do the third thing. I was interested in the personality of the so-called "Rospatriotcenter". Lobov is the rector of Synergy. What is this for the office can be understood by looking at the composition of the supervisory board. We look: Yakobashvili, founder of Wim-Bil-Dan, Titov, chairman of the board of directors of Abrau-D Yurso CJSC, Demin director of Splat-cosmetics, Galitsky, founder of Almaz Capital , Paul Judge, founder of the Cambridge University business school, Michael of Kent, patron of the British educational center of the International Business School "Synergy". Who is behind Lobov and what kind of patriotism they need is clear. Belokonev, one thing can be said about him, but succinctly "Nashist" with eight years of experience. Anything worthwhile from these individuals should not be expected.
      1. +3
        19 December 2012 11: 47
        baltika-18,
        And what about the revolution, we did not have rich !?
        But the patriots were! And by the way from the rich and the noblemen including!
        And even if they advocated for their money and power, but ordinary people defended their homeland and the land on which they were born!
        1. +3
          19 December 2012 12: 43
          Quote: sergo0000
          And what about the revolution, we did not have rich !?
          But the patriots were! And by the way from the rich and the noblemen including!

          The Soviet school of education in general and of the patriotic in particular was destroyed. One of the pillars of education is an example. In Soviet times, heroes of the civil war, pioneer heroes, heroes of World War II, that is, along with historical figures like Alexander Nevsky, etc. actually contemporaries were present. Who can we set as an example for children and youth? From the distant past, examples are good, but not very effective, we rejected the Soviet. Abramovich and Deripaska are on the same pole, soldiers and officers of those killed in Chechnya, wounded, disabled and often abandoned by the state. Think about it. The system created in the country, any good undertaking will turn to dust, it is not for life, it is for destruction.
        2. +6
          19 December 2012 13: 30
          Quote: sergo0000
          ordinary people defended their homeland and the land on which they were born!

          But my homeland is no longer there. My homeland is the USSR, and I don’t want another. And Ukraine is a territory temporarily occupied by bandit capitalists. The land where I was born? So the bandits bought it again and built "khatynki" for themselves. All that remains is our great past, which the invaders are trying to rewrite with persistence worthy of better application. And to be honest, I don’t know what I should be raising my son as a patriot. Perhaps, a patriot of all ours, Slavic, Russian. But with specifics, it’s already difficult.
          1. +3
            19 December 2012 15: 25
            Quote: revnagan
            .A Ukraine is a territory temporarily occupied by bandit capitalists.

            Well, Russia, too, has not gone far in this matter. My Motherland-Soviet Union stands in solidarity.
            1. +4
              19 December 2012 17: 02
              baltika-18,
              We pissed off our Homeland-Soviet Union!
              Remained Russia. I won’t give it back!
      2. +3
        19 December 2012 12: 02
        Quote: baltika-18
        It is clear who is behind Lobov and what kind of plan they need patriotism.


        Under a plausible pretext, what has already been done by our reformers of the education system with a national history is being implemented ... As a result, we will get a system of upbringing patriots of "gay-European tolerance" ...
  10. +4
    19 December 2012 09: 25
    Ideological - patriotic steps: October-pioneer-Komsomolets-communist should be replaced by the prototype of the Bayskautsky movement - a bonfire - a tent - a campaign - rafting - mountains + self-reliance is not in a game of computer and disco!
    When children look at embezzlers in power, prostitutes and bandits, they should see how they are being “pissed off”, and not at glossy covers and websites joking!
  11. AndreyAB
    +11
    19 December 2012 09: 33
    Honestly speaking, the state poured all patriotic work into the toilet and decided to do the opposite, praise frank enemies, starting all calculations from the ruble converted into dollars and euros and ending with the refusal to send children of officials of almost all ranks to the army (to fulfill the sacred duty to the country). In general, patriotism is a way of life of people in their own country, and when judges can be put in jail for a bag of stolen potatoes, and for stolen billions under house arrest, and the Supreme Commission does not see this, then what kind of patriotism can we talk about?
  12. +7
    19 December 2012 09: 36
    and he already decided
    although it’s difficult when the wretched clones of non-Seryals pour from the zombie man and they teach about love and life, those for whom spreading legs is love
  13. +2
    19 December 2012 09: 44
    First thought - then action. What do you think - and do it!

  14. +8
    19 December 2012 09: 57
    The consciousness of young people is broken and distorted, patriotism cannot be instilled in the current 14-15 year olds, not Michurins ... la..It must be from scratch, from those who were born recently and even those who have not yet been born, so that the word "mother" follows was "Rodina" .. Here is an example of distortion of concepts ...
    1. -7
      19 December 2012 12: 14
      Delusional photo. And not as unrelated to reality.
  15. +1
    19 December 2012 09: 58
    Better late than never.
    I think that patriotism and a sense of duty should be instilled primarily by the FATHER. And we are talking primarily about boys and boys. And the girls will be what future men want them to see.
  16. 0
    19 December 2012 10: 04
    Yes, we really need a state program to educate the population, not just young people. It is necessary to force the media to promote love for the Motherland, a healthy lifestyle, honesty, respect for elders and much more ... After all, the main source of information for the majority of the population is TV, then newspapers and magazines. Remember the TV series "Brigade", how many guys after watching began to cluster and identify themselves with the title of the film ...
    The school should participate in the same program, and there, parents, under the influence of the media, will catch up. Everyone must work together !!
  17. +9
    19 December 2012 10: 06
    As long as our children and adolescents see how our politicians live, how their parents survive, and how people from the Caucasus behave in schools, one can forget about raising patriotism among young people.
    1. +1
      20 December 2012 10: 29
      + you - Manager!
  18. +2
    19 December 2012 10: 15
    Educate, promote but DO NOT COMPETE. Already the GTZO, having failed to reborn under the slope, leaves. According to the present, norms above excellent 2-3 can be fulfilled. And on paper 10 out of 15!
    There are no firsts and no lasts. Patriotism is measured not by interest, but by actions for the benefit of the motherland (mother, father, beloved girl, native yard, river, .......)
    In Kuzbass, a 12-year-old girl wrote quatrains.
    "Currant jam,
    this is also the Motherland. "
    1. 0
      19 December 2012 23: 57
      Quote: Bort Radist
      "Currant jam,
      this is also the Motherland. "
      High !!!
  19. Fox
    +15
    19 December 2012 10: 31
    my friend, he devoted himself to work in the children's club for young sailors. the guys were engaged in hand-to-hand fighting, swimming, skiing ... Andrey negotiated with shooting galleries at the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... he lived in the club, in a word. I jumped with a parachute, get a token, etc. I did a lot for my non-oligarchic salary ... a new head of the club came, by the way, and before the formation of his 12-16 year old boys, I decided to draw, trying to rip off the token from A 16-year-old guy ... got into a gnaw ... the group was disbanded ... EVERYONE who studied with Andrey went to serve in the army, served ... they are already 23-27 years old ... the guys are normal ... and Denis, one of kusantov, now he is working at the school, he has created the same club. he trains the guys. and all this is in spite of the authorities, without funding and premises. "Anti-youth" departments under the city administration do not need all this. Here, just guess who will be the loot pump up, Andryukha or the mayor's office? .. something like that.
    1. +4
      19 December 2012 12: 12
      Fox,
      Great post colleague! good
      I would put a hundred pluses if only it were possible!
      That's about how defenders and men are born in Russia!
      Even contrary to power and logic. And let them say that the country is not the same and there is no ideology, but let’s say my children have something to lose besides protecting the oligarchs!
      And the fact that the people who are headed by this movement are rich and with a dubious reputation does not scare me. So, someone made them an offer that they simply could not refuse! bully Money taken from the people is now returning again to the people in the form of such projects here! Let the result not be seen right away but it will be! Five years later I think the mood of society will change!
      1. +1
        19 December 2012 13: 50
        Quote: sergo0000
        Let the result not be seen right away but it will be! Five years later I think the mood of society will change!

        That's right. After five years, we will change the system and the attitude towards everything in life will change.
      2. Fox
        +6
        19 December 2012 15: 17
        I just didn’t write everything ... Andrei’s heart could not stand all the wars with officials and all this wretchedness ... he’s not been there for two years.
        1. Fox 070
          +3
          19 December 2012 16: 20
          Quote: Fox
          Andrei’s heart could not stand all the wars with officials and all this wretchedness ...

          Familiar story, namesake! Accept condolences ...
        2. 0
          20 December 2012 00: 54
          Fox, my condolences. May he rest in peace.
        3. +1
          20 December 2012 10: 33
          Earth Him down!
    2. +2
      19 December 2012 12: 35
      "And the last will be the first"
      1. +1
        19 December 2012 16: 19
        baltika-18,
        Fox,
        Bort Radist,
        Of course, men! Everything goes to this. Only gradually and not immediately!
        Take the best of both systems. Socially oriented state.
        Putin in his message speaks directly about this! We must live here and now.
        It is impossible to forbid a person to decree to live luxuriously and for money, but we need to change the worldview of society. Do not just engage in criticism, but criticize to offer! And those b ,,, and in the thought that on demotivators,
        This is the same talking dolls according to raising their hands for those decisions that will be made by healthy people in power! Worse if Alekseeva and Novodvorskaya really find themselves there. The time will come and go to work! wink
        Fox, accept my condolences for a friend!
    3. 0
      19 December 2012 23: 59
      Quote: Fox
      departments "for the fight against youth" under the city administration
      Very accurate wording!
    4. +1
      20 December 2012 01: 01
      Worse if they don’t finance anyone at all. How can a specialist on youth policy in the region help me if it is planned to spend 100 thousand on youth policy in the region for a year? Only in order to go to the region for a bus, give 5 thousand ... But you need other expenses, in addition to transport and district activities, you need to carry out ... So if the state gives money (I mean the federal budget and not the subsidized budget of a poor agricultural region) it's great! But if state support is hung up on the budgets of the districts (this year the salaries of the technical staff of the schools, which earlier, like the teacher’s salary were paid from the regional budget, were transferred to the district level and now there is such a hole in the budgets of the districts that they don’t have any interest in youth policy) then this program ... And everything as it was on enthusiasm will remain so ...
    5. +1
      20 December 2012 10: 31
      Yes! Fox! So we will "wet" them - new bosses
  20. +2
    19 December 2012 10: 42
    Fox, what can I say. You have the right comrade. You would look more of such people and would not say that "you need to educate and vaccinate." Everything is as usual: either they say or they do.
  21. vladsolo56
    +2
    19 December 2012 10: 51
    Complete nonsense, who needs patriotism? authorities? Yes, not a bit, because our power and patriotism are two opposites, or maybe they need patriotism in the form of a huge number of zhiz. If in Russia at least 30% of the true patriots of their homeland are recruited, then power will be dumped on the same day. To believe the intentions of the authorities in the impulse of education of patriotism means to be a fool, and this is at least.
  22. +1
    19 December 2012 11: 10
    civil-patriotic education of Russians is called upon to deal with a department with a very entertaining name "Rospatriotism"

    Officials are multiplying.
    All this populism is cheap.
    We have already had "national projects" so what has changed?
  23. vlad-chernuk
    +3
    19 December 2012 11: 18
    I hope the project will be developed. step in the right direction.
  24. +3
    19 December 2012 11: 24
    For example, the motto of the Airborne Forces is much closer to me: "Nobody but us." So it’s not bad that at the state level they began to realize this problem. And I would like to remind you that “a pessimist also needs to study the Kalashnikov assault rifle”. Sincerely.
  25. +4
    19 December 2012 11: 27
    Many pros and cons, but what did each of us do? I want my children to grow up as patriots of RUSSIA, I gave my eldest son to study at a cadet school.
  26. +1
    19 December 2012 11: 51
    The upbringing of patriotism and civic consciousness is a long process and should start from an early age. In the Soviet Union, children from the age of 7 were already captured by state attention. The October Revolutionaries, pioneers, the Komsomol, all these organizations were called upon to educate the Soviet man. Where this work was carried out selflessly, the results were, you know, and the liberals blame the Komsomol construction projects, the raising of virgin lands, and so on. So, according to Rospatriotism, one structure is completely inadequate, and it will carry out short projects to steal half of the funding, officials are clearly not going to take courses of patriotism ..
  27. +4
    19 December 2012 12: 13
    I’m doing it myself. Through our airsoft club there are a lot of youth. All serve no one mows and grow up people. Here the most important is a personal example.
  28. +3
    19 December 2012 12: 45
    While Serdyukov and his ilk will be protected at the top, chanting oligarchs, showing Dom2 with Sobchachka, there can be no talk of any education about a feeling of patriotism.
    1. 0
      19 December 2012 15: 02
      Quote: Garrin
      to protect Serdyukov and others like him, to chant oligarchs, to show Dom2 with Sobchachka, there can be no talk of any education of a sense of patriotism.

      I completely agree with you ... But first of all, the people need to return their history, return their heroic past, stop the flow of lies on the pages of the media, return the concepts of Honor and Conscience, return the concept of Homeland ... Otherwise, everything is in vain ... This is bitter. ..and scary ...
  29. +2
    19 December 2012 12: 56
    I definitely think that EVERYONE should educate patriotism! Each cricket should know HIS six. Well, for example: how the head of the family will be able to correct the TV program of the same TNT, for example, in terms of the "Dom-2", "Comedy" programs, so filthy on the verge (or even beyond). This is the task of state regulation, along with all sorts of TRP and Zarnitsy. But on the other hand, the father must teach the child NOT to WALK on the street, teach the CULTURE of behavior, LOVE for his small homeland, love and take care of it. The school has its own functions: the great Russian chemist Mendnleev, the outstanding musician Tchaikovsky, the writers Pushkin and Tolstoy. Who else but the school should do this. And in the aggregate, we get what is called Patriotism, i.e. love for the fatherland, loyalty to him, the desire to serve his interests with his actions. In short - just what the country is sorely lacking now!
  30. igor12
    +1
    19 December 2012 13: 01
    Finally, it reached us.
  31. +3
    19 December 2012 13: 09
    Propaganda can only instill an American type of patriotism, when at the sight of a flag or the sound of an anthem, people freeze like idols with their hand on their hearts, and tears from their eyes like a river of pride that they live in such a beautiful country. For Russians, patriotism is much deeper and more sacred, perhaps most accurately its meaning is expressed in the old song "Where the Motherland Begins". Therefore, propaganda in this matter is not a method of creation, but just a tool for correction.
  32. AK-47
    +1
    19 December 2012 13: 09
    Patriotism is a moral and political principle, a social feeling, the content of which is the love of the Fatherland and the willingness to subordinate its private interests to its interests. Patriotism involves pride in the achievements and culture of their homeland, a desire to preserve its character and cultural characteristics and identification with other members of the people, a desire to protect the interests of the homeland and its people.
    The concept of patriotism is easy to transform for the sake of state, religious, clan interests, turning it into a cult of tyranny and obscurantism. So, American patriotism is based on wealth, Jewish and fascist on racial exclusivity, Chinese on communist ideology, etc.
    Patriotic education is undoubtedly the prerogative of the state, only it being the spokesman of the corresponding socio-political structure should in constitutional order proclaim its importance and means of achievement. And not only to proclaim, but also actively, by all available means, to educate the population of their country.
  33. Antistaks
    +4
    19 December 2012 13: 38
    Everyone should be engaged in patriotic education, but the state in the first place, and the school is firstly part of the state and secondly it is part of the state very much dependent on the state. We have freaks in uniform and without breaking the mini aviation museum at the club YOUNG PILOT. Destroyed IL14 YAK 28 MIG 15 and a MI 2 helicopter. We drank MIG 19 from a stella in memory of the dead pilots.
    WHERE WAS THE STATE AT THIS TIME?
    The boys through the city went on airplanes to watch.

    Destroyed MIG 19.
    1. Antistaks
      +1
      19 December 2012 13: 40
      I have three photos, but each one replaces the previous one. He wrote a letter to the administrator, but they are proud of us - they don’t dignify ordinary mortals with an answer.
  34. Nechai
    +3
    19 December 2012 13: 42
    Quote: vol46an
    along with patriotism, nArod needs to return socialism and national wealth.

    As Lelik said, performed by Papanov: "No !!! I can't accept this !!!"
    Quote: Banshee
    Another question, WHO will change?

    If NOT WE, then you have to wait for aliens ...
    Quote: AndreyAB
    all payments from the ruble are converted into dollars and euros

    But the RUBLE is not ours and the state of Russian property, ring. Tse private business, from none of us independent, the Central Bank! Free, democratic and tolerant. Well, completely free and independent of anyone ... Yeah ... The main thing is the market ....
  35. Antistaks
    +1
    19 December 2012 14: 03
    As for the TRP, or whatever you like, you do not have to pass the rules, but create AFFORDABLE SPORTS SECTIONS. But physical education lessons are not mine, I myself ran from them, although I was engaged in boxing and shooting.
    They got a daughter at the institute - you don’t go to the gym; we don’t set the test. And the daughter of the CHAMPION OF THE SOUTH OF RUSSIA - all the same, idiocy is our main sport.
  36. Nechai
    +2
    19 December 2012 14: 12
    "The Russian youth going to bring up patriotism ..."- isn't it better, friends, to turn to yourself!"
    Officials and business, that is to say, the "elite" - this is the most transferable object of patriotic education. Over the knee, with a kind word and a colt, whatever. But as long as, within the framework of this system, in fact, the activities of these persons will not be patriotic, then no matter how the authorities squirm, everything is without much sense. It is only the real deeds and actions of officials and capitalists that should be taken into account. Where are you getting the money? Imenese in which foreign countries? Where are you getting better with your family? Where are your kids recruited? Did they serve? And where? Well, where are they shaved now? How can you help the victims while defending the Fatherland? If a businessman seems to be a free lad (except that he will not get a loan, interest-free, for the re-equipment of fixed assets, for the state order. Not a foot on the deposit, etc.) the most patriotic patriot! But no, don't blame me, my friend! Selyavi ...
  37. AlexMH
    0
    19 December 2012 15: 48
    The attempts of our officials to bring up patriotism are ridiculous and absurd. Patriotism is a consequence of the fact that a person knows the history of his country and is proud of it, that he lives in normal conditions (or considers living conditions normal, or sees some perspective), does not feel cheated and humiliated, does not feel threatened in his country and is ready to defend your homeland, your way of life. Of course, it is possible, temporarily, by propaganda to provoke an attack of patriotism among poor, uneducated, muzzled people, as happened, for example, in Russia at the beginning of World War I, but this is still a purely temporary phenomenon. On the other hand, our officials are similar to Midas on the contrary - everything they touch on turns into guano, and the same will happen with patriotism. They will introduce the lessons of patriotism at school, and the students will laugh quietly in the classroom or play on smartphones, take another 1 worthless Mikhalkov films that fail at the box office, force them to pass the TRP standards - they will put pluses (or minuses, depending on who is more profitable). Patriotism, love of the motherland - these are feelings that are formed by the whole life of the country, or, alas, are not formed.
  38. 0
    19 December 2012 15: 58
    The main thing is to start doing and not ceasing for a second, then to contribute something new, experiment, etc. ...
    1. 0
      19 December 2012 17: 09
      Great RUSSIA,
      That's right. Water does not flow under a lying stone!
  39. Antistaks
    +2
    19 December 2012 16: 37
    With homosexual Duma thought has already begun the struggle.
    And if this uncle ceases to appear in commercials and doesn’t scare patriots, then everything can be.
    1. 0
      20 December 2012 00: 03
      Quote: Antistaks
      With homosexual Duma thought has already begun the struggle.

      On TopVar, you better not touch them, they will go to death. Their stock !!! Like cockroaches !!!
  40. 0
    19 December 2012 16: 48
    There was DOSAAF, Maps (Buggy, as it is fashionable to say now) was built, trained for radio operators, for drivers, and even for tankers and pilots. Competitions among schoolchildren in shooting from pneumatics were organized, lightning, different circles there, motor sports, and now only driving schools were left with a couple of barely puffing zils and kamaz trucks. I remember my grandfather had the magazines "Behind the Wheel" there were such bells and whistles in this DOSAAF that just hold on, but about this "Rospatriottsentr" and do not hear, it is necessary to revive DOSAAF while those People are still alive, while the most valuable personnel are still there, they are not gone , they are still alive, they just need to be called back and offered a decent salary and provide DOSAAF with normal funding.
    1. +2
      19 December 2012 17: 17
      It was DOSAAF, Maps (Buggy as it’s fashionable to say now) were built, they taught radio operators, drivers, and even tankers and pilots

      For 2-3 weeks I have seen several training "Urals" and KamAZ trucks on the roads to Izmailovo. The military numbers, the DOSAAF emblem on the doors, may be already being restored. It should be.
      1. 0
        20 December 2012 01: 19
        We are reducing the army, but DOSAFF has no equipment. But you could fit MTLBU and something else ... And already trained mechanics drivers would come to the army ...
  41. +1
    19 December 2012 17: 26
    Patriotism is a very secret feeling, located deep in the depths of the soul (subconscious). Patriotism is judged not by words, but by the affairs of each person. The patriot is not the one who calls himself that, but the one whom others will honor as such, but above all his compatriots.

    Thus, only a person who constantly strengthens his physical and moral health, educated and enlightened, has a normal family, respects his ancestors, grows and brings up his descendants in the best traditions, and keeps his home in good condition (apartment, staircase, home, yard) and constantly improving their way of life, lifestyle and culture of behavior, working for the good of our country, participating in social events or organizations of patriotic orientation tation, ie aimed at uniting fellow citizens in order to achieve patriotic goals and joint fulfillment of patriotic tasks of one degree or another of complexity and importance in arranging and developing their homeland, in improving, increasing the number of their enlightened compatriots.

    I. KONDRASHIN

    http://www.panikin.ru/n8-3.htm
  42. +3
    19 December 2012 17: 54
    A show business with its glamor needs to be smothered slightly ... Humbler people should behave.
    1. Antistaks
      +1
      20 December 2012 00: 43
      Yes, our leaders have already got glamor. Ksenia left the house two and went to the barricades.
      True, they quickly TURNED it.
  43. figvamforever
    +1
    19 December 2012 18: 06
    Quote: Alexey 543
    Patriotism should be educated, not promoted !!!

    Quote: baltika-18
    But patriotic education should be based on a certain ideological platform.

    Be simpler and they will understand you. Normal people are brought up on life examples, seeing how others behave. And if a guy or a girl sees that all the thieves come to a medical institute, and then only as much as they talent. And if you get sick, then wait a couple of months for ultrasound and the thieves governors are treated behind a hill, then at least 3 times a day you tell him that Russia is a country of equal opportunities, and he (she) will dream of going abroad.

    Quote: baltika-18
    And what is our ideology in our state, can anyone here on the website clearly say? I think that apart from what they say "the golden calf", nothing definite will come to mind.

    And what is the ideology in Norway, Spain, Holland. Do not hammer your head in ideology. Everyone lives an ordinary life. Or want to bring up the superman. Not worth it. Nothing good will come of it. There was one such. They say poisoned in a bunker about 70 years ago.
  44. +3
    19 December 2012 19: 08
    I remember how my father taught me a 5-6 year old boy the songs "Far Beyond the River", "Eaglet". We sang them often. I also often listened to my grandfather's stories about the war. Our whole life was permeated with the spirit of constant readiness to accomplish a feat.
    Apot suddenly we had no enemies. And now, after 20 years, the government, at first hobbling the existing platform of patriotism, took up the mind?
    I would like to believe.
  45. +1
    19 December 2012 19: 23
    Captain Vrungel correctly told you plus, there’s nothing even to add, according to the authorities, ministries of Patriotism, departments of child patriotism, school patriotism, official patriotism, business thieves patriotism, water patriotism, forest patriotism, cave patriotism, Arctic patriotism and so on, at least 15 departments according to the number of Soviet republics. To appoint Zhirinovsky as Minister. In each department, there is a chief from United Russia and a representative of the main administration. In a separate military department of the representative of the Ministry of Emergencies. To set in the message the task of educating all patriots by the year 20. After that, all oligarchs and capitalist ministers will complete the Shot courses, their male children and fit for military service in peacetime, will participate in anti-terrorist operations, corruption will disappear or become patriotic in nature, i.e. all bribes will be credited to the budget, etc.
  46. stranik72
    +3
    19 December 2012 19: 39
    In a country where liberal values ​​are above national interests, it is naive to speak of patriotism.
    1. Ruslan
      -1
      19 December 2012 20: 26
      Quote: stranik72
      In a country where liberal values ​​are above national interests, it is naive to speak of patriotism.
      That's what Jewish liberal nits and their admirers are doing in Russia and Ukraine. Read very interesting.
      http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=10588
  47. +3
    19 December 2012 21: 22

    Now, when our boys begin to listen to such songs, consider that everything worked out. It says everything.
  48. vovanrusich
    +2
    19 December 2012 21: 34
    I am proud of Russia!
    1. thatupac
      -1
      20 December 2012 05: 46
      So the Russians, for the most part, made fun of the sport. Here is the result.
  49. +2
    20 December 2012 18: 02
    Look and think, you still want to be ......
  50. 0
    20 December 2012 18: 06
    The state cannot exist without ideology. Generation. Born in the 90s, almost lost. But they are already parents ...
    At one time in Cuba (I give as an example), which before the revolution was a big brothel, children were sent to boarding schools, and parents worked for the good of their homeland. After the Civil War, the state, despite the devastation, gave the maximum amount of effort and money to combat homelessness. And how many street kids are now ... A holy place is never empty -% of juvenile delinquency is growing steadily. You need Makarenko, Sukhomlinsky ... And now the question is, what kind of pop star flies in Sheremetyevo, and in the Domodedovo group of war heroes, So where go journalis s?
  51. 0
    21 December 2012 06: 47
    My daughter (4 years old) has not seen a single American cartoon, Moidodyr, Tsokotukha Fly, Masha and the Bear, Fixies ........ . Yesterday I tried to show an American cartoon something about the New Year, snow, light in the windows of abandoned houses, nothing criminal in my opinion. I rejected it from the first seconds. Once again I became convinced that there is something in this that affects the subconscious.
    I found the cartoon Big Ear and is sitting there watching it for the fifth time.
    Another picture is of a young mother in front of me in the store. In the basket there are three packs of Malyutka mixture and three bottles of beer...... On the other hand, more and more often in the city there are signs “drink, drink, die soon”, “Russian means sober” Clumsily, not on glossy paper, but to the point.
  52. 0
    21 December 2012 12: 43
    In this matter, there is no need to look at the state and the homeland!!! Only parents are responsible for raising children, if a child is leavening and does not take care of himself physically, this is the merits of the parents, they did not explain to the child what is good and what is bad!!!!!!!! P.S. I will raise a child myself and quite successfully!!!!!!
  53. 0
    27 July 2017 09: 38
    No matter how patriotism is taught at school and at the state level, it will turn out to be a fiction if it is not in the family...((((
    And love for the Motherland is a necessary component of normal human development. If we don’t want to produce “lost children” (at best), we need to take patriotic education very seriously. This is at the level of “feeding” and “clothing”.
    Material about WHY patriotic education is necessary and what the lack of patriotism entails http://nastavnica.by/?p=598

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