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Japan and Russia: where does friendship come from?

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The other day elections were held in the Land of the Rising Sun. The Liberal Democratic Party of Japan (LDPYA) and its traditional coalition partner, the Komeito Party - got 325 of 480 seats in the lower house of parliament (67,7%).

Since the leader of the winning party “automatically” becomes the new prime minister, then 19 will be the Prime Minister of Japan over the past twenty-three years, Shinzo Abe. Formally, he will be elected at an extraordinary session of the parliament of December 26.

Some lines of the interests of the party, as well as the Japanese people, have already been identified by the candidate for premiere.

First, after the LDPY’s victory in the elections, he said that strengthening the military alliance with Washington would be one of the priorities of the new government. He said that in January, will go to the United States.

Secondly, at the press conference, Shinzo Abe made a rather loud statement about the solution of the “problem” of the South Kuriles. is he сказал:

"I expect to solve the territorial problem between our countries and sign a peace treaty."


Shinzo Abe also said that he hopes for the improvement of Russian-Japanese bilateral relations and is ready for dialogue with the leadership of the Russian Federation.

In addition, the leader of the liberal Democrats He pledged take a tough stance on some sensitive international issues, for example. on the islands of the Senkaku (Diaoyu) archipelago in the East China Sea.

At the same time, Mr. Abe is going to stop deflation (not to be confused with inflation). He plans to restrain the growth of the yen, so that his country, focused on the global economy, could earn more on exports.

Another candidate for prime minister suggests investing more in infrastructure development and maintenance.

How will the relations between Russia and Japan with the new Prime Minister? How to "translate" the intention of Shinzo Abe to solve the Kuril "problem"?

According to the head of the Center for Japanese Studies of the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences Valery Kistanov, who was interviewed by M. Ozherelev on December 17"Voice of Russia"), Mr. Abe, speaking about improving relations with Russia, is quite difficult to understand. Indeed, according to the analyst, “relations between Russia and Japan do not converge in any way over the South Kuril Islands.” The scientist says:

“Russia, through the mouth of Putin, has recently again confirmed its readiness to seek compromises on this issue. But it should be based on the Soviet-Japanese declaration of 1956 of the year, which provides for the transfer of two islands - Habomai and Shikotan - after the signing of a peace treaty. Japan is not satisfied. She demands that Russia return all four islands.

When and in what form a compromise will be found is very difficult to say now. It’s also hard to say how ready Abe is to improve relations with Russia and what he will do in this direction, because just a week ago he published an article in one of Japan’s very reputable magazines, where he outlined his program of seeing Japan after he came to power. ”


And here in this, as they say, “topical” article, Mr. Abe very sharply criticized the Democratic Party for “two failures in diplomacy.”

Failure # XXNX - the visit of President Dmitry Medvedev to Kunashir Island. Failure #1 - visit in August of the current year by Lee Myung-bak, President of South Korea, to the Takeshima Islands (Tokdo).

It is hardly possible to expect improvements from Abe, the expert notes, if he will oppose the visits of Russian leaders to the South Kuril Islands.

Valery Kistanov suggests that Abe will most likely try not to bring the territorial issue to the fore:

“Probably, it would be right for him to push this problem a little bit aside and try to develop relations in other spheres - first of all in the sphere of economy and culture. I think that Abe is not interested in the fact that now relations with Russia are worsening or aggravated against the background of what is happening in Japanese-Chinese relations ... ”


In addition, the key priority for Abe is relations with the United States - that’s why he will fly there first. As for Mr. Abe’s probable visit to Moscow, then again, it’s difficult to assume anything. The analyst says the following on this topic:

“However, we see that in January, Abe is not going to Russia. He did not pick up this baton at the node, he was going to the USA. The second priority for him is China. China is significantly more important to Japan than Russia. I think Russia is in third place after the United States and China. But I don’t think that the visit will be delayed for a very long time. ”


It is extremely rare for Japanese political leaders to come to Russia. Prime ministers of the Land of the Rising Sun have not been to Moscow for a long time, Kistanov indicates. The last time was the visit of Prime Minister Koizumi - in 2003. There is a “negative record”: for nine years not a single Japanese Prime Minister has visited Russia on an official visit. This indicates, the analyst notes, that Russia occupies a not very high place in Japan’s foreign policy priorities.

"Positive" here may be that Abe will not go to the new "record", that is, will not bring the old to 10 years.

"But if he comes here, and they and Vladimir Putin talk in a relaxed atmosphere about the territorial problem, about the peace treaty, it will already be positive."


According to Professor Hosei Nobuo Shimotomai University (interview T. Hlon, H. Yasumoto, "Voice of Russia"), relations with Russia may well become a priority of the policy of the new Cabinet of Ministers of Japan:

“... As for relations with Russia, against the background of aggravated relations with China, I think Japanese-Russian cooperation has good prospects. In addition, Abe already has experience in diplomacy with Russia, so relations with the Russian Federation may even become a certain priority of his cabinet policy, as he does not want to aggravate relations over the territorial issue, as is currently the case with China. ”


Famous Japanese journalist Kazutak Iijima generally agrees with the professor:

“As far as Abe is concerned, he must deal first of all with the exacerbation of the situation with China and South Korea. But the most important issue is the restoration of strategic relations with the United States. In this context, he will deal with Russia after solving the first issues on the agenda of his strategic course. However, Russia today considers the development of Siberia and the Far East to be an important direction, and mutual cooperation with Japan is very important. Therefore, Abe should quickly draw up a concrete plan on how to push forward cooperation with Russia and at the same time solve the territorial problem. ”


However, such “positive” statements are at variance with the Abe policies outlined in the article mentioned above. What about the “hardness” and criticism of those political opponents of Abe’s rivals who, in his opinion, turned out to be too soft in the Kuril issue?

Russian experts believe that the position of the new prime minister in relation to territorial disputes, including the Kuril ones, will be more rigid.

The same Valery Kistanov reminds:

“Abe very much criticizes the Democrats for the so-called failures in foreign policy, because of which Japan’s relations with the United States deteriorated, while China immediately began to be active on the Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu). At the DPJ, the visits of the previous President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Medvedev, to Kunashir and the South Korean President to the Takeshima Islands took place. Last Monday, Abe in Bungei Shunju magazine published an article on 10 pages, in which he outlined his vision of the future of Japan, which he intends to realize. There he directly writes that these two visits were major failures in Japan’s foreign policy, which he is going to somehow eliminate. From this we can conclude that, most likely, Japan’s foreign policy will become tougher ... "


Expert Andrei Fesyun believes that Japanese diplomacy will not change the position on the southern Kuriles, but will try to avoid sharp aggravations in the dialogue with Moscow. The main thing is not a territorial dispute, but the economy:

“In foreign policy, Japan due to aggravation with China, and with South Korea, is in an extremely difficult situation today. And in this situation, it is extremely unprofitable for her to deteriorate relations with Russia. On the contrary, most likely Japan will strive to improve them, or at least make them warmer. At least due to some joint large-scale economic projects. ”


In an editorial China Daily December 18 states that the Japanese elections were closely watched not only by China, but also by South Korea and Russia — that is, all countries with which Japan has territorial disputes. Japanese voters, the authors of the article write, decided that they want to deal with these problems in the near future.

The electorate chose the LDPI because over the past three years, the Japanese people have suffered from many disasters - especially from the earthquake, tsunami and the Fukushima nuclear crisis - and, most importantly, from lack of confidence due to the slowdown in economic growth. The Democratic Party of Japan was "punished" by voters. The electorate has returned to the LDPY - despite the fact that this “hawk” party may increase tensions with China, now Japan’s main competitor, and at the same time its main economic partner.

Like most analysts who make predictions about Russia and Japan, Chinese journalists, who are also aware of S. Abe’s likely territorial “tough” policy, admit to Japanese politics, starting with China and ending with Russia, more pragmatism than hostility.

Dr. Das Kundu Nivedita, Assistant Director of the Indian Council for Research in Social Sciences (New Delhi), Fellow at York University in Toronto, Canada, over the territorial dispute between Japan and Russia expresses following opinion.

Given the increased activity of the naval forces in the region, the strategic importance of the Kuril Islands has increased in recent years. After all, the South Kuril Islands - Kunashir, Shikotan, Habomai and Iturup - which are under the jurisdiction of Russia after the end of World War II, form strategic borders between the Russian Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Pacific Ocean.

In addition, the four islands are rich in natural and energy resources. Recently, the analyst writes, Moscow has begun to replace the territorial dispute with the principle of “Sankei bunri” (a policy separate from the economy) and to consider Japan as its partner. This also applies to the Russian programs for the development of the Far East. We are talking about the development of close trade and economic ties in the region, especially in the energy sector.

Nevertheless, the question on the South Kuriles reflects the deep contradictions that exist between the two sides. The problem creates a difficult situation for both Russia and Japan, the expert believes.

The scientist recalls that in 1956, the Soviet Union and Japan signed a joint declaration that put an end to the state of war between the two countries. The question was raised about the possibility of returning the two islands to the Japanese - Shikotan and Habomai. However, this could have happened in the event, the analyst writes, when a peace treaty would have been concluded. But the irony is that before the peace treaty has not yet been signed, and the debate continues. Although the joint declaration was ratified by both sides, the debate about what Japan calls “its northern territories” remains a stumbling block for the conclusion of a peace treaty.

Later, the Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, recognized the Southern Kuriles as a disputed territory. The Japanese were already hoping to get a little territorial "positive", listening to the long speeches of the socialist secretary general, especially those periods, where they spoke about "interest in solving some controversial issues", but ... In 1993, President Boris Yeltsin noted that the 1956 declaration of the year remains plans are accepted. His words reawakened dormant Japanese hopes. However, this statement did not bring any concrete results.

As for President Putin, he, the expert reminds, in his first term also confirmed the declaration of 1956 of the year and acknowledged that there is a dispute over four islands. He attempted to resolve the issue with Japan through negotiations based on the 1956 declaration of the year. But all this was delayed for many years.

And at the beginning of 2005, Russian officials began to argue that the islands belong to Russia, and that Japan should recognize Russia's sovereignty over all four islands - before proceeding to further discussion of this topic. Russia also stated that the legitimacy of claims to the islands is not an open question. Moscow thus wanted Tokyo to recognize its right to the islands — and only then would the negotiations begin, as a result of which Japan might have tried to acquire some of the islands.

In addition, Japan has complicated the issue of scandal. When Russian President Dmitry Medvedev visited the islands, then Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan called his visit "unforgivable rudeness."

What is Japan doing now?

Das Kundu Nivedita believes that modern Japanese leaders are trying to establish partnership relations with Russia on a wide range of issues without using arguments about disputed island territories.

After all, for Japan, Russia may become a necessary ally in the matter of preventing Chinese domination in East Asia. Japan is interested in access to Russian gas and oil - from Siberian and Sakhalin fields. Last year, Japanese leaders announced that they were ready to consider the possibility of participating in joint economic activities in the Southern Kuriles, unless such activities had a negative impact on Japan’s claims to the disputed territories. The leadership of Japan understands that it will not be possible to resolve the territorial disputes immediately, and therefore it is unlikely to allow the cooperation of the two countries to suffer.

According to the analyst, now the situation is such that both countries are unable to either solve or complicate the island issue. Currently, political elites in both countries are unable to make unpopular decisions and translate public discourse in favor of some new initiatives. "The regime of President Putin," the expert writes, cannot take any decisions on this issue today. The Japanese government was also weakened by decades of slow economic growth and popular discontent, expressed in the form of protests against widespread corruption among the political and business elite. In addition, in 2011, the tsunami and the “nuclear crisis” destroyed the remnants of trust in the government among the Japanese public. New leaders will not take the big risk of unpopular foreign policy initiatives that may have negative consequences.

How to find a solution?

His analyst sees in the "creative approach."

Of course, there is no war between Japan and Russia, despite the fact that the two countries do not seem to be able to build normal relations by concluding a mutually acceptable peace treaty, which must be acknowledged long overdue. Therefore, both parties must be creative in finding a mutually acceptable solution that could put an end to the territorial dispute. And here it is important to continue the negotiation efforts.

At present, the analyst writes, Russian-Japanese trade and the flow of investments are very small, although the potential here is just high. To expand trade and economic relations today there are plenty of opportunities - both in Japan and in Russia. However, both states are extremely cautious when investing in each other’s territories.

Finally, it is important to build trusting mutual relations and “push” the territorial dispute aside.

Warm relations between Russia and Japan are of interest to all other countries in the region. From the point of view of maintaining peace and security in the region, a soft solution to the existing island issue is in the interests of all countries.

So, in order to “gently” approach a long territorial dispute, Tokyo and Moscow, according to experts and analysts, should first focus not on the dispute itself and the immediate search for a solution, but on bilateral economic cooperation, probably focusing on regional integration. . Only in this case is possible that “positive” in relations, which is expected in both Russia and Japan.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 20 December 2012 09: 12
    +20
    Each new Japanese leader, while in office, said that he would return the island and solve all the problems and cho? In Moscow, all these declarations no longer take seriously the campaign, everyone has a position with them and will remain. Yes and then, Japan now risks being squeezed from all sides. Not one emperor can stand the problem with China and Russia. Everything will remain. hi
    1. older
      older 20 December 2012 09: 42
      +9
      For the Japanese, the solution to the issue of the Kuril’s pass to the parliament and the prime minister’s chair ...
      1. DmitryDmitry
        DmitryDmitry 20 December 2012 10: 13
        +5
        Unless by `` decision '' it means giving up claims to the islands =)
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 December 2012 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: older

        For the Japanese, the solution to the Kuril issue is a pass to the parliament and the prime minister’s chair.

        Not a decision, but a statement made about the thirst for a decision.
      3. donchepano
        donchepano 20 December 2012 10: 27
        +7
        whether to offer them a friendly goal to move 20-30 million and develop and develop Magadan and Chukotka, which is even cooler there, to build modern road bridges, infrastructure for a while, for fifty years - not the most stupid people all the same ... and there may then want to accept Russian citizenship
      4. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 20 December 2012 18: 53
        +7
        older

        There is an opinion that the Japanese need the Kuril Islands, in addition to all the known facts, also then to make the Amers six.
        But in general:
        - do not open your mouth to someone else’s piece!
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 20 December 2012 10: 13
      +13
      Well, where do they go then?
      They have the Kuril Islands is any campaign horse, from the category of Carthage should be destroyed.
      But in fact, everything will be as it is, it will periodically go to Hokkaido and watch with binoculars on Kunashir, making speeches full of anger, and we ... And we just need to put big and thick on them, and engage in strengthening the defense of our country, to bark afraid.
      1. Wertynskiy
        Wertynskiy 20 December 2012 11: 46
        +3
        I agree, they have it for the Kuril Islands, so for "People", the main thing is that:
        Strengthening military alliance with Washington will be one of the priorities of the new government.

        It's time to stop referring to this country as an independent state and to pay attention to their "territorial claims".
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 20 December 2012 19: 01
        +1
        Sakhalininsk

        Quote: Sakhalininets
        And we just need to put big and thick on them, and engage in strengthening the defense of our country in order to be afraid to bark.


        Let me subscribe!
        It seems that information flashed that by the end of next year, 66.3 million dollars would be invested in the defense of our eastern borders.
        And in general, do they have a short memory?
      3. Lavr75
        Lavr75 21 December 2012 08: 45
        -11
        The islands are abandoned, people live in shit. And we, like a dog in the manger, do not pull a neher, but a stranger dick under his nose. May start sharing islands.
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 21 December 2012 10: 44
          +3
          You yourself understood what you said ?, you would go there to raise the islands, and you would dump in Asia! are the grasshoppers delicious ?? whether
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 21 December 2012 11: 02
          +3
          No. This is our land. And we want to use it that way. We can arrange a warehouse for radioactive waste so that the Japs do not twitch.
          1. carbofo
            carbofo 21 December 2012 14: 30
            +3
            vyatom,
            And this is the idea, we just dofig garbage every dangerous!
            Islands after that, even cockroaches do not like!
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 21 December 2012 11: 27
          -1
          Almost the whole country is in that position. So now, make a big sale? winked And for the proceeds to buy the Baltic countries. Bring them to the same state and ... also sell fellow And you can scatter wassat
          1. Piligrim
            Piligrim 21 December 2012 21: 13
            +2
            And what, have the Baltic countries become the standard of a civilized country ??? Did I miss something!? laughing
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 21 December 2012 21: 16
              0
              No, they have become the standard of "friendliness" wink
        4. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 21 December 2012 13: 50
          +2
          Lavr75

          Quote: Lavr75
          The islands are abandoned, people live in shit.


          You were there? If so, how long?


          Quote: Lavr75
          And we, like a dog in the manger, do not pull a neher, but a stranger dick under his nose.


          Excuse me, who are you and where from?


          Quote: Lavr75
          May start sharing islands.


          yeah, ka only, so right away!
        5. Piligrim
          Piligrim 21 December 2012 21: 11
          +2
          let's start with your car - why is it idle at night? Fuck a taxi driver on her bomb at night, and in the morning returns you.
          With your house / apartment, the same is not all right! I think that you have a lot of extra space per capita! You can condense you laurel!
      4. vyatom
        vyatom 21 December 2012 11: 00
        +1
        First you need to stop buying Japanese equipment. And go for example to Korean or Chinese (Taiwanese).
    3. beech
      beech 20 December 2012 13: 32
      +13
      “I hope to solve the territorial problem between our countries and sign a peace treaty”
      -Maybe in order for Yapi to grow wiser, should they squeeze out another island?)))
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 21 December 2012 10: 48
        -5
        beech,
        Do you need him?
        1. beech
          beech 22 December 2012 23: 18
          0
          so that I don’t get rid of silly answers, do not ask silly questions !!!
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 20 December 2012 21: 09
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      In Moscow, all these statements are no longer taken seriously, everyone has a position with them and will remain. Yes and then, Japan now risks being trapped on all sides

      In Moscow, they have learned quite well how to separate election babble from post-electoral actions! And there the problems of modern Japan are described quite well.
      For three years, the Japanese people have suffered from many disasters - especially the earthquake, tsunami, and the nuclear crisis at Fukushima - and, most importantly, a lack of confidence in the slowdown in economic growth.

      Here is the answer! Action vector if you want
    5. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 21 December 2012 00: 33
      +8
      Usually, the memory of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and even the "sounding" Fukushima sharply cool the samurai warlike ardor.
      And China will not remain on the sidelines, in general, the recent events associated with the anti-Japanese pogroms say that the Chinese of Japanese "arts" 70 years ago have not forgotten, they are not going to forgive, and if possible, they will pay back with the same coin.

      In the end, the "friendship" for the islands with the country, whose colonial policy cost tens of millions of people, is doubtful.
      And if our Kremlin hollowers of the island give the Japanese in any form, even on sharing rights, Russia's authority, already undermined by the constant surrender of positions and betrayal of the allies, will become dust on the road in the eyes of Asians.
  2. IRBIS
    IRBIS 20 December 2012 09: 14
    +43
    And why does not our leadership solve the problem of the "northern territories" very simply: directly, to the whole world and specifically for the Japanese, to firmly say:
    "The islands are an integral part of Russia. Transferring them to anyone there is impossible. Further negotiations on the islands will no longer be conducted. Any talk about their ownership will be regarded as direct territorial claims with all the ensuing consequences."
    And do not twist backwards in front of the world, trying to please everyone in a row. Softness will not bring to good.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 December 2012 09: 25
      +7
      Quote: IRBIS
      "The islands are an integral part of Russia

      Hi Sasha, this has already been said.
      Quote: IRBIS
      Transferring them to anyone there is impossible. There will be no further negotiations on the islands. Any talk about their belonging will be regarded as direct territorial claims with all the ensuing consequences. "

      This has not yet been said, well, it has not yet been said. Although I do not understand why we need a peace treaty with tobacco, all one runs under the sherkhan.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 20 December 2012 13: 00
        +1
        Hello, namesake! It seems to me that it was not said, but mumbled. One must speak firmly and clearly in order to eliminate misunderstanding or a double interpretation.
        Something like: "A vegetable for you on narrow-eyed, yellow faces and the second in the body's natural opening for bowel movements." Somehow, diplomatically ...
    2. older
      older 20 December 2012 09: 45
      0
      fellow And how much and who should talk? Putin said bluntly, as president, Medvedev also said ... But you have to turn it around simply because there are almost no inhabitants in the east of the country ... For information, as many as 12 millions live in the territory from the Urals to the Kuril Islands Russians ... (13 times more Japanese live in Japan) ...
      1. vic011
        vic011 20 December 2012 12: 21
        +3
        Well, with the population you were grossly mistaken smile About 40 million people live in the territory from the Urals to the Kuril Islands wink
      2. beech
        beech 20 December 2012 17: 25
        -3
        and in Russia dofiga yao !!!
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 21 December 2012 11: 29
      0
      The wrong people are now in the manual for such statements. Not their style, they don’t understand ... request
  3. domokl
    domokl 20 December 2012 09: 15
    +6
    Thank you for the review .. The topic has been perfectly disclosed ... In my opinion, the issue of territories has not been solved for so long because the authorities in Japan depend on the approach in its solution ... If the solution of this issue before the elections were declared as experts suggest, you can’t see there Zhirinovsky’s premiership as your ears ...
    But a trip to the USA means that the Yapies have embarked on the path of forceful pressure on Russia, China and S. Korea ... Americans are unlikely to miss the opportunity to regain their dominant position in the region ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 December 2012 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      But a trip to the USA means that the Yapies have embarked on the path of forceful pressure on Russia, China and S. Korea ... Americans are unlikely to miss the opportunity to regain their dominant position in the region ...

      Well, what can Japan do together with the USA there? They will put another radar or missile base, so what will it change?
      1. domokl
        domokl 20 December 2012 09: 31
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and what can Japan do together with the USA there?
        In the Soviet era, the USSR’s most powerful Pacific fleet was opposed only by the US fleet and this was enough to make the region pro-American ... Now the Japanese themselves, in violation of their own Constitution, have a fairly powerful army and fleet ... That's the answer ... Our the fleet is only being restored, the Chinese are being built, the Korean .. well, in short, the Korean .. So who will be the main thing there?
        1. older
          older 20 December 2012 09: 47
          +3
          As far as I remember, the 6 American fleet ... Indeed, the most powerful US fleet, but ... one of many .. I agree that the reconstruction of military bases in Japan for the entire region was a big blow ...
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 December 2012 09: 48
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          So who will be the chief there?

          Now China claims, Japan has both a powerful fleet and an army, but the country itself is vulnerable. So, if Japan wants to be the chief, it won’t become because of its geographical location. There are too many candidates for the post.
        3. vyatom
          vyatom 21 December 2012 11: 05
          0
          There is China, which we are actively arming. He can be our ally in this region.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 20 December 2012 11: 13
        +3
        In Japan - the crisis of the territories. Especially after Fukushima. Did they tell the whole truth about this accident? And where to resettle people? They desperately need the Kuril Islands. Give the South - and then the North will seize. Say, there is no population of ours? Here is the place for links for the most negligent. And the contingent of security will be there, and the border guards. And the Japanese will want to conquer our convicts ... nu-nu!
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 20 December 2012 17: 34
          0
          There is no crisis of territories there. The population of Hokaido is only 5.5 million people with a density of 70 people per square kilometer.
          According to a Japanese colleague, if Japan receives the Kuril Islands, they will not populate them, but will make a national park.
          So here it is rather a matter of principle.
          1. knn54
            knn54 20 December 2012 20: 03
            0
            Kuril Islands, Sakhalin ...
            1. How will the Pacific Fleet operate when Japanese territorial waters are around.
            2. The waters around these islands are rich in seafood.
            3. The shelf is gas, oil ...
            In Japan, a lot of societies that believe that they should belong to Siberia.
            The law of a predator — you will extend your finger, bite off your hand. And predators must be kept behind bars. And the RF will support ALL countries in the region (the Yankees do not count). It really hurts all the Japanese managed to spoil.
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 21 December 2012 11: 36
        -1
        And what has the sale of Alaska changed? After all, nonsense, just the whole geopolitical alignment on the entire Pacific coast. That's a trifle, is it worth it to worry, right? wink And at the expense of the Pacific Fleet it will be possible to save a lot of money - all the same, it will be locked up most of the year, like the Black Sea Fleet. They want it - they let it in, they want it - they drown it ... So - it will be possible not to splurge on it, leave a couple of boxes, let it rust further ...
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 20 December 2012 11: 31
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Yapi embarked on the path of force pressure on Russia, China and S. Korea

      From Japanese media - "Sankei Shimbun", Japan
      “There are many voices in Japan and abroad who say that the revision of the Constitution to rename the“ self-defense forces ”to the“ defense army ”will lead to the restoration of the military and sound like an overture to the revival of pre-war militarism in Japan. Yes, this cannot be. Historically, the Japanese the army never had the name “defense army.” Before the war, the army was called “the army of the Great Japanese Empire,” in newspapers and on the radio this name was shortened to “imperial army.” In other words, it was the “army of the emperor.” The national defense army, which early or it should appear later, will not become a repetition of the past. And it is unlikely to be "self-defense forces" with a difficult to understand meaning that needs an explanation both in Japan itself and in other countries, without monstrous interpretations on the part of the government. building, it should become an “ordinary country” that could take the necessary measures against aggressor countries such as North Korea. To do this, you need to discard the old skin of the "self-defense forces", which needs justification, and change the country's military structure to the "national defense army"
      HERE HERE, BUT WHY? - "The Self-Defense Forces are listed along with the armies of other countries in the UN peacekeeping lists, while we can be guarded by the official army, but we cannot officially protect - and this is just one example. From the same series: these are self-defense forces , so rockets cannot be launched outside the territory and waters of Japan. And, apparently, I want ...: http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20121213/203318981.html#ixzz2FZhn2GM0
      1. in reserve
        in reserve 20 December 2012 16: 42
        -2
        As for President Putin, he, the expert reminds, in his first term also confirmed the declaration of 1956 of the year and acknowledged that there is a dispute over four islands. He attempted to resolve the issue with Japan through negotiations based on the 1956 declaration of the year. But all this was delayed for many years.


        By the way, GDP didn’t say anything intelligible at the press conference when they asked a question, NEGOTIATIONS again.
    3. DmitriRazumov
      DmitriRazumov 21 December 2012 15: 41
      0
      The review is good, no words. I would like to add that this is with the submission of the United States and with their direct military-political support, the Japanese began to sort out relations with Russia over the islands. The State Department openly expresses support for Japan on this complex issue. It is not for nothing that Japan is commonly called an unsinkable American aircraft carrier. Naturally, the basis of Japanese exports is also the United States, so it is difficult to expect any shifts in the official position from them in the near future. Well, work with specific Japanese companies and entrepreneurs could be organized.
  4. esaul
    esaul 20 December 2012 09: 20
    +2
    Good stuff. Thanks to the guys for the timeliness and undoubted sanity during the analysis of the analyst (sorry for the pun).
    For me, in general, the conclusion that mutually beneficial cooperation with Yap is possible is a completely understandable thought, but the regrets and some surprise of the American analyst, in turn, are surprising.

    However, both states are extremely cautious when investing in each other’s territories..

    And how else can we, the Russians, perceive the Japanese after all these repeated and tireless attempts to chop off at least a bit from the Russian lands?
    Okay - the Kuril Islands, which are a kind of contribution according to the results of the Second World War! So after all, before the Second World War, how many attempts did Yapi make to seize territories! And when they got it in the teeth, they immediately talked about the possibility of friendship and cooperation.
    And today's dispute over the Kuril Islands and REGULAR statements of the REGULAR Japanese Prime Minister about the possibility of a dialogue, this is the fairy tale "About the White Bull" - each time starts from the beginning - "Give us back the Kuriles." And this will and will continue indefinitely and with complete unwillingness to see that the true occupier of Japan is the United States, which views Japan as its unsinkable aircraft carrier. They want to - they will transfer the base there, they want - back. If they want, they will place helicopters ...

    And yapi are silent in a rag soaked in radioactive dust after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 December 2012 09: 36
      +3
      Quote: esaul
      And it will and will continue indefinitely and
      Hi Valery! Indeed, this will continue ... And not even because we are so stubborn, but simply because we give the islands back, we get neutral waters in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... which means that the defense system of the east of our country flies to hell. ..One-two aircraft carrier in Okhotsk and Sakhalin, and Yakutia are turning into simply unoccupied lands ... And there will be nothing to defend them ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 20 December 2012 20: 19
        0
        Sasha, welcome! hi
        Quote: domokl
        which means the defense system of the east of our country flies to hell

        With us, perhaps only the lazy troll does not understand! Well, in Japan, all the prime ministers ... wassat
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 21 December 2012 20: 12
      0
      Like jap. again ask the dentist (option "in the teeth without anesthesia") fool
  5. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 20 December 2012 09: 30
    +1
    Later, Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev recognized the South Kuril Islands as a disputed territory.

    This "Spotted Cat" is like an evil genius for our country. Nobody brought as much evil as he brought to Russia, well, maybe except for Lenin. And it is not at all clear WHY, after all the "good" that he did for the country, the "Merry Dwarf" awarded him the highest order, and not a trip to the Kolyma!
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 20 December 2012 09: 51
      +1
      Shkodnik65 "This" Spotted cat "is like an evil genius for our country."
      If he was a genius, albeit evil !!! You have in vain compared him with Lenin.
      Shkodnik65 "Nobody has brought as much evil as he brought for Russia, well, maybe except for Lenin."
      It is possible to argue about Lenin or not, but after the collapse of imperial Russia, the Bolsheviks for several years restored most of the country in the form of the USSR. Poland, Finland, the Baltic States, and Zap. Were lost. Ukraine and Belarus, Bessarabia. And by 1940 Mustachio returned almost everything except the Poles and Finns.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 20 December 2012 11: 33
        +3
        Nagaibak
        One can argue or not, but Lenin not only destroyed the Empire, Kerensky began to destroy it. As you put it, "Usatii" returned almost everything by 1940 - I don't mind. But I did not mean "mustachioed" and not those who destroyed the Empire. I wrote about LENIN. Specifically and directly. I wrote about a man who destroyed MILLIONS of Russian peasants, nobles, priests in a brutal way, unleashed a civil war, organized HUNGER, sold HUGE national values ​​behind the line, but unlike Stalin, who gave NOTHING to this country. And he could not give, because he was a PROFESSIONAL revolutionary. His task is different: to the ground, and then ... it will be seen. I am a historian by profession, so I know the topic of the conversation. But you, with your advice, did not say anything concrete. And you cannot say, because there is nothing. Or be specific, or ...
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 21 December 2012 11: 08
          -3
          Then why did the Soviet Union become so powerful and strong already by the 70s. The Russian empire could not boast that it could solve global problems.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 20 December 2012 14: 09
        0
        Add here Manchuria, this is a GREAT harm, a rich, grain-growing region, now there would be 50 million Russians living in Manchuria and there would be no problems with the eastern territories.
    2. Alekseir162
      Alekseir162 20 December 2012 11: 03
      +5
      I agree with you, Andrey, sometimes a single phrase spoken by a statesman can do a lot of harm. And Gorbachev not only uttered phrases, so his wrecking activity will have to be raked for a long time.
  6. stasuk
    stasuk 20 December 2012 09: 36
    +1
    The Russian Federation has at its disposal all the necessary forces and means: the Armed Forces, which, according to the priorities of the military policy of Russia, should be designed exclusively to protect the independence and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, as well as to fulfill its international obligations; federal bodies of foreign intelligence and counterintelligence; border, railway and other troops.
    The security of the Russian Federation, including ensuring the integrity and inviolability of its territory, is achieved by a unified state policy in this area, relevant long-term and short-term federal programs, a system of economic, political, organizational and other measures adequate to threats to the vital interests of the individual, society and the state.
    The fact of placing this constitutional provision in Chapter 1 of the Constitution speaks of the importance of the territorial integrity of the Russian state.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 December 2012 14: 12
      +1
      Add Manchuria here, a resource-rich grain-growing region, there would have been 30-50 million Russians there now and there were no demographic problems in the east.
  7. na76
    na76 20 December 2012 09: 37
    0
    What kind of cooperation are we talking about? More raw materials for another billion to push them?
    One can only dream of co-production, given that in China, labor is cheaper, if only Yapy and the Chinese are finally worked out, and then there are enough other countries in Southeast Asia, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc.
  8. serjant4
    serjant4 20 December 2012 09: 41
    +3
    Fuck them with a radish, not our islands !!!
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT 20 December 2012 09: 46
    +12
    Especially in Japanese.

    Strange thing Japan pursues a policy that does not take into account our interests, and give them the islands. Probably hoping for the USA, they just don't give a damn about Japan
    1. подводник
      подводник 20 December 2012 10: 05
      +12
      And this is specifically in Russian ... (if you do not understand in Japanese)
  10. fenix57
    fenix57 20 December 2012 09: 47
    0
    What is it, the new prime minister will solve the problem of the northern territories under the cover of the Yankees, since he goes to military cooperation with them.
  11. omsbon
    omsbon 20 December 2012 09: 57
    +2
    It seems to me that it’s better than not to say in the song:
    We do not want any land,
    but we won’t give up our tip!


    It’s not for us to squander what has been won by our grandfathers!
    1. serjant4
      serjant4 20 December 2012 10: 01
      0
      them bitches .... m still 1905 recall?
  12. Vityok
    Vityok 20 December 2012 10: 00
    -1
    Elephant and pug !!!
  13. подводник
    подводник 20 December 2012 10: 00
    +6
    Poor Japs ....

    Problems with China due to islands ..
    Problems with Korea over islands ...
    Problems with Russia over the islands ...

    You will not be happy ... do not cry little people ... you have nowhere to live, expel the amers from their territory ...

    You look and settle down ...
    1. igordok
      igordok 20 December 2012 15: 41
      0
      Quote: submariner
      Problems with China due to islands ..
      Problems with Korea over islands ...
      Problems with Russia over the islands ...

      There will be no islands (Japanese), there will be no problems.
  14. anfreezer
    anfreezer 20 December 2012 10: 03
    -1
    Yeah, at first they will sing lullabies to us, and then it will turn out like with the Khabarovsk islands in 2004 (Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky) .. This is when Moscow(!!! where can we do without them) economists, after the transfer of the islands, Russia opened up opportunities to conclude billion-dollar deals with China, and possible profits. type more than covered all the losses. Although, according to the Far Eastern economists, the transfer of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky and Tarabarov islands to China overnight caused damage of $ 3-4 billion, taking into account the loss of already invested funds, the transfer of the Khabarovsk airport, as well as the arrangement of the border in new sections (not to mention the plans to build , about the fact that valuable fur-bearing species of animals, ungulates, upland and waterfowl, their economic importance, a frontier post live on the territory of the islands). But the Moscow strategists did not care about local interests, which, incidentally, is not new .... hiding behind strategic goals, they solve their own .. As if here, in the Kuriles, one of our Judas did not find "strategic" interests .. Maybe I, of course , not right, and someone from Khabarovsk will say that it was worth it? ..."Currently, the analyst writes, Russian-Japanese trade and investment flows are very small, although the potential here is just high." The Chinese, too, came up with the same formulations, they say there is something, but I would like more, but for this, they say we need a little bit, over there your islands are lying around .. what Of course, the Kuril Islands and the Amur Islands are different weight categories, but this is how to approach the question, or rather who will approach and with what "strategic goals" ... In our country, the authorities still cultivate that "people grab everything" ..
  15. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 December 2012 10: 14
    0
    Boltology is about nothing, the Kuril Islands has long been just an election PR. not worth a damn
  16. vorobey
    vorobey 20 December 2012 10: 17
    +6
    Cloud ridge
    Lay down between friends ... said goodbye
    Migratory geese forever.

    Bass.

    Well, so far we have resolved this dispute positively. We will decide positively this time too. We’ll put it on the next Japanese prime minister and that’s it. so to speak fact on the face.
  17. old rocket man
    old rocket man 20 December 2012 10: 18
    +7
    Why not try this option, such as the slow strangulation of Japan without any war. Just in case of refusal to accept our position when signing a peace treaty, gradually replace Japanese imports with South Korean and Chinese imports, close the Japanese access to Far Eastern fish and other raw materials (gas , oil, iron ore), curtail the Japanese car industry in Russia (Korean cars are no worse). I am sure that Japan will instantly "grow kinder" as soon as the movement begins in this direction. We must seize the moment, the decline in trade with Russia during the current crisis will hit in Japan it hurts a lot.
    In short, apply the principle in n *** with friends. laughing
  18. sergskak
    sergskak 20 December 2012 10: 22
    0
    Each new Japanese prime minister has been saying the same thing for many years. They are obliged to talk about this to their people. But as a rule, the cold answer is the answer of our presidents and the question has been settled before the next elections in Japan!
  19. Sinbad
    Sinbad 20 December 2012 10: 26
    +1
    Politicians - politicians, they say one thing, do another, and think the third. "And the truth is somewhere near."
  20. Grenz
    Grenz 20 December 2012 10: 26
    +9
    A similar issue has already been discussed on the forum.
    There are even hoku:
    Sakura blossomed on Mount Fuji
    In the same place horseradish went horseradish
    Do not see the Japanese Russian Kuril Islands ...

    But seriously !?
    No matter how we get the Kuril Islands, we should not give them in any way.
    Firstly, we must always remember the plot of the sale of Kemsky volost. We didn’t take away to give to us.
    Secondly. You need to understand that the Japanese are Americans. These are the deepest ocean exits for our nuclear powered ships. Otherwise, the passage through Tsushima.
    Thirdly. The shelf around these islands is full of fish. Below the ocean is already empty. And here you can make so much sushi!
    And one more thing.
    Well, Putin gave the island of Tarabarov against Khabarovsk to the Chinese and that they began to kiss us in the ass. Yes, they brought the force grouping in the Hailar direction to the level of wartime.
    For example: give 4 islands. What tomorrow? And tomorrow will be Sakhalin. And further down the maps of 1918-1921.
    And how the Japs and the Chinas are able to cut heads - the story is not yet completely forgotten.
    We want to preserve the islands and the Far East as a whole - there must be strong power there.
    And integration, so that the neighbors depend on us. So if they cause damage to us, they themselves will suffer (oil pipelines, gas pipelines, water pipelines, joint ventures, development of natural resources, etc.) Bind to themselves and make them dependent.
    1. Sinbad
      Sinbad 20 December 2012 10: 39
      +2
      Correctly! Put it on the oil and gas needle!
  21. borisst64
    borisst64 20 December 2012 10: 44
    0
    And why are Japanese soldiers red shirtfronts? To better aim at them?
  22. na76
    na76 20 December 2012 10: 45
    -1
    Quote: Old Rocketman

    Why not try this option, such as the slow strangulation of Japan without any war. Just in case of refusal to accept our position when signing a peace treaty, gradually replace Japanese imports with South Korean and Chinese imports, close the Japanese access to Far Eastern fish and other raw materials (gas , oil, iron ore), curtail the Japanese car industry in Russia (Korean cars are no worse). I am sure that Japan will instantly "grow kinder" as soon as the movement begins in this direction. We must seize the moment, the decline in trade with Russia during the current crisis will hit in Japan it hurts a lot.
    In short, apply the principle in n *** with friends.




    And the Yapas, in response to us, will stop selling used cars, for example, it may be for the better, but how many people in the Far East will be left without a piece of bread at once? And there are many other "threads" for which the Japanese can pull. And how will it end? Here it can turn out as in the proverb: while the fat one dries, the thin one dies

    With pi *** th you need to be more careful, send Yapov or China is clearly not worth it, it’s fraught

    And in general, it seems to me that we made a huge mistake by making territorial concessions to China, now Japan just won't leave us alone, and they can be understood if we give away the territory to the Chinese, why is it worse?
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 20 December 2012 11: 57
      0
      Quote: nae76
      how many people in the Far East will immediately remain without a piece of bread?

      Reoriented on the importation of Korean and Chinese cars.
  23. AK-47
    AK-47 20 December 2012 11: 28
    +8
    Before the arrival of Russian and Japanese, the islands were inhabited by Ainu. In their language, “kuru” meant “man,” whence came their second name “smokers,” and then the name of the archipelago.
    In Russia, the first official mention of the Kuril Islands dates back to 1646, and is associated with reports on the campaigns of Ivan Yuryevich Moskvitin. Then it became known that the Ainu called the Russian "brothers" because of the external similarity.
    After the war, all the Kuril Islands were included in the USSR, however, the ownership of the Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan islands and the group of Habomai islands is disputed by Japan.
    1. mijgan-jigan
      mijgan-jigan 20 December 2012 16: 55
      +3
      Historical fact! it is necessary according to the eyes of local to determine the ownership of the islands. drinks and if the Russians have brothers, then honor this status! and those who already rushed to fight at us, sooner or later rush again. and in general, at one time they declared war on us, lost and signed up for the transfer of the islands. with such cunning guys, the ear must be kept sharp! and slack should not be given.
  24. Begemot
    Begemot 20 December 2012 11: 41
    +4
    Japan has never been and will become a friend or partner for Russia, the rapid rush of Russians to the east during the 16-18 centuries eliminated the possibility of Japan's expansion to the west. The maximum that they succeeded in capturing for a while the Far East and China, from where they (guess who?) Were kicked out with a bang in the 45th. As a result, the whole crowd of Japanese people was squeezed on a handful of islands. They live there on top of each other, a Russian person who is used to the vastness and breadth of natural landscapes does not understand this, I did not have a sense of pandemonium until I boarded the plane to Moscow. Compare Japan and Russia on the map, with a comparable population, they are simply packed there like herring in a barrel, so any territory for them is a matter of principle. And we should not be given slack, because these lands were conquered by the blood of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
  25. Sergg
    Sergg 20 December 2012 12: 06
    +2
    The Kremlin authorities know the position of our people: "We do not need someone else's and we will not give up ours." Japan needs our territories, only then will they be loyal to us.
    But it’s not permissible to trade the Motherland giving them islands - no one in the Kremlin will allow himself to do this, because this is a war with his people. It is much better to fight with Japan.
  26. Monge
    Monge 20 December 2012 12: 07
    0
    Japan has always been an enemy of Russia! When their nuclear power plant crashed, how much crying! Oh poor, poor Japs. No, God marks the assault! The enemy is the enemy.
  27. Oleg the Great
    Oleg the Great 20 December 2012 12: 13
    +1
    The Japanese captured Shinkoku from the Chinese - our territory is on fire. Lost the Kuril Islands - also say ours. Well, be afraid of God. Somewhere they must yield, which would be logical. And do not forget that Japan is a country that has lost the war. Winners dictate the terms. It always has been.
  28. zambo
    zambo 20 December 2012 13: 12
    0
    It is necessary once and for all in political terms to close the issue of our islands with the Japanese. There is no Peace Treaty with them, well, it is not necessary. Without economic cooperation with Japan, we will definitely live and let them "fukushimitsya" in their own juice.
  29. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 20 December 2012 13: 14
    +2
    The transfer of the two islands will not save us from territorial claims. Appetite, as you know, comes with food. And the conclusion of a peace treaty is also not a vital necessity. With Germany, there was also a peace treaty, so what? Any agreements have never been an obstacle to their violation, especially if the violating party feels the strength and is confident of impunity and the ability to snatch a bold piece
  30. vostok68
    vostok68 20 December 2012 13: 55
    0
    and a visa-free regime - on both sides, and tax breaks for both them and us?

    although I understand that this is the control of our Navy - NATO in full!
  31. pinachet
    pinachet 20 December 2012 14: 06
    +3
    we need these islands for a reason, I read somewhere that having given these islands we lose the all-season exit from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. and our Pacific fleet (if you never know what) will be locked there (since most likely there will be Amer. military on the islands)
    1. mijgan-jigan
      mijgan-jigan 20 December 2012 17: 07
      +1
      - Verb Truth!
  32. Nechai
    Nechai 20 December 2012 15: 24
    +1
    Quote: Kaa
    a constitutional revision to rename "self-defense forces" into a "defense army" leads to the restoration of the military and sounds like an overture to the revival of pre-war militarism in Japan

    If in defeated Germany denazification was carried out, then in Japan as a result of the SEPARATE transaction with the USA NO!
    "But the basis should be the 1956 Soviet-Japanese Declaration, which provides for the transfer of two islands - Habomai and Shikotan - after the signing of a peace treaty." - guys, how much can you distort the facts. Khrushch sang about TWO islands, in exchange for ANYTHING there was an agreement, but FOR THE WITHDRAWAL OF AMERICAN WAXES from Japan. Then the Japs ignored this proposal, which is NOT OFFICIAL by the way. The whole train LEFT back in 1956!
    What conclusion of the Peace Treaty can we talk about? The Soviet Union declared war and defeated the land army of the JAPANESE EMPIRE. STOPPED TO EXIST after the signing of the UNCERTAINTY CAPITULATION Act! All on this. Later, another country, a constitutional monarchy, with which the USSR established diplomatic relations, de facto appeared on the ruins of the empire. And the USA only needed the San Francisco farce then in order to cover up their treacherous deal with their USSR ally. Only. And the United States, now turning a blind eye to the revenge-seeking attempts of the japas, as in Europe in the 30s of the last century, is playing with fire. The Japanese do not need the Kuril Islands themselves (although they certainly will not hurt), how much this is the first serious step towards the revival of the Yamato Empire!
    Quote: Old Rocketman
    the decline in trade with Russia during the current crisis will hit Japan very painfully.

    Absolutely right! It was worth the border guards at least a little clean up fishing in our economy zone there and the trendy guy went to Hokaydo ... And the poor fellow students are Japanese, what a pity, they are already deprived of the opportunity to enjoy Kuril crabs in school breakfasts ...
  33. zmey
    zmey 20 December 2012 15: 54
    +1
    Give the Japanese Two Islands in exchange for Fr. Hokaido!
    The path will disappear !!!

    In the light of the latest natural and man-made disasters, now if the Japanese islands begin to sink where all this crowd of quick-eyed evacuate ???
    I offer the land of Franz Joseph !!! and what? Also islands in the ocean.
  34. mijgan-jigan
    mijgan-jigan 20 December 2012 17: 03
    0
    today they remembered the affiliation of four islands. a peace treaty is being offered. tomorrow they will remember that their grandfathers lived on Sakhalin. etc., until they come to Moscow! it’s impossible here, as a stupid girl, to agree to half a bump (I apologize for the expression), it just doesn’t happen ...
  35. mijgan-jigan
    mijgan-jigan 20 December 2012 17: 04
    +4
    today they remembered the affiliation of four islands. a peace treaty is being proposed for them. tomorrow they will remember that their grandfathers lived on Sakhalin. etc., until they come to Moscow! it’s impossible here, as a stupid girl, to agree to half a bump (I apologize for the expression), it’s just a bit ...
    1. F-22
      F-22 20 December 2012 17: 23
      -4
      You're wrong. Moscow by that time will keep Gaster. They will not give it to the Japanese.
  36. homosum20
    homosum20 20 December 2012 18: 10
    0
    Not an inch of our land to foreign invaders !!!
  37. Garrin
    Garrin 20 December 2012 18: 19
    +2
    I am not a supporter of "Conspiracy Theory", but recently I came across this version. In the area of ​​Shikotan Island, there is a tectonic fault. Now, if a nuclear charge is placed in it, not even of high power, and it is activated, it will cause such an earthquake that Japan will simply disappear from the face of the Earth. I am not a geophysicist and do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. But!!! " The truth is somewhere near!" (from) drinks
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 20 December 2012 19: 10
      0
      Oh, sorry, I used my last nuclear bomb while fishing crying
  38. Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 20 December 2012 19: 38
    +1
    The sharp increase in Japanese interest in the islands is explained simply - they have one of the largest explored deposits of rhenium, an extremely valuable element for the electronics industry.
  39. Vorchun
    Vorchun 20 December 2012 19: 54
    +2
    Will they sell their homeland? sad (born on the island of Kunashir)
  40. PSih2097
    PSih2097 20 December 2012 20: 06
    0
    It is necessary to carry out underwater expedition and prove that the Japanese islands are a continuation of Kamchatka and recover funds from Japan for the illegal use of Russian territory ...
  41. Misantrop
    Misantrop 20 December 2012 20: 46
    +4
    IMHO, of course, but the strengthening of the naval composition of the Japanese navy is only the tip of the iceberg. Everything spins there much more seriously. Remember the accident at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. Everything falls to hell, blocks one by one take off into the air, groups of rescuers are sitting ready at countries that have nuclear power plants, and the Japanese ... are not letting anyone in there. Why didn’t you think about it? WHAT is it that you can’t show it to anyone under any circumstances? NPP blocks? So their Americans built (but they are not allowed to go there today). The answer may be quite interesting. Find in a search engine pictures of all this piece of the coast. It is obviously of artificial origin, bulk soil and the level is significantly elevated from the natural. And the lake closer to the mountains is too reminiscent of a standard cooling pond. So what is hidden under the ground level? Especially taking into account WHAT these 6 not the smallest NPP units were used for. Take a closer look at the found image, there is no characteristic part of ANY nuclear power plant - a transforming substation and power lines. Those frail that are available are not suitable for this role. The maximum that they can withstand is the provision of backup power to the units in the event of an accident. It seems that this nuclear power plant did not work on the country's energy system, all the energy was consumed in the field. But nearby there are simply no powerful consumers of such a level. The most famous of these potential consumers is a heavy water plant. But it is absolutely unnecessary for civilian nuclear subjects; lithium deuteride is the raw material for thermonuclear weapons. And next to the blocks are the storage facilities for spent fuel assemblies, which are full of plutonium. And their processing also requires a lot of energy. Plutonium is also practically not used in the civilian nuclear cycle yet. Something about his use as a fuel, but ... again - on one of these emergency blocks now. So now we can only guess about the degree of reliability of this information ... So we just have to IMHO be glad that the tsunami strike in passing kicked some far from peaceful plans ... wink
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 20 December 2012 21: 10
      0
      One Japanese boasted that his country could acquire nuclear weapons within 1 year. I thought it was just pride in a technically developed homeland. And your post makes you evaluate his words differently.
  42. yacht
    yacht 20 December 2012 22: 33
    +1
    What is "Peace Treaty" - a piece of paper behind which there is nothing. Changing islands for a piece of paper is nonsense, no, it's even a crime against your country.
  43. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 December 2012 23: 44
    0
    We should talk with clumsy-skinned ... They love it. But do not give back the island. We talked, discussed, parted satisfied with each other. And if we give them the Kuril Islands, there in a year the amers with their base will stand up. And we won’t do anything ...
  44. the USSR
    the USSR 20 December 2012 23: 47
    +1
    WE WERE NOT SELECTED, DO NOT GIVE US TO US! And they will want to pick it up themselves ...... EH! Stalled horses in the stalls!
  45. bart74
    bart74 21 December 2012 01: 06
    0
    I am absolutely sure that there can be no warm relations between Russia and Japan. Russia does not depend on the country of the "narrowly rising sun", especially the country occupied by the United States, and which understands only the language of the force, and de facto forget this language. Enough of these curtsies in the direction of the wild nations of the east.
  46. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator 21 December 2012 12: 02
    0
    Let them smoke bamboo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  47. deman73
    deman73 21 December 2012 16: 42
    0
    it’s not worth giving it up easily, especially for these islands our ancestors shed blood and about the peace treaty with yupps there and we shouldn’t give a damn about living without him and we’ll still live like we don’t need him, I think
  48. wandlitz
    wandlitz 21 December 2012 17: 27
    0
    Give them a finger - they will bite off the whole hand. Easier to send to .....
  49. Megatron
    Megatron 22 December 2012 21: 33
    0
    But intelligence reported accurately:
    And went, commanded by the commander,
    By native land of the Far East
    Armored percussion battalion.

    Tanks rushed, raising the wind,
    There was a formidable armor.
    And samurai flew to the ground,
    Under the pressure of steel and fire


    The best position on how to talk with them has been described for a long time.
  50. Beltar
    Beltar 29 December 2012 00: 21
    0
    It’s high time to occupy Hokkaido on such arrivals. In general, the Japs have already lifted everyone up with their claims; in China, it seems, they recently started to move about this. That it’s time to make it clear to the samurai that the results of the Second World War are not subject to review, and there are some treaties with the participation of the United States which the Stalinist USSR simply dismissed, simply do not have any legal force.