Armor is having a really hard time right now.

91
Armor is having a really hard time right now.

There is such a completely justified opinion that the experience of one conflict cannot be used to judge the quality and suitability of the military equipment used in it for future wars. However, a special military operation in Ukraine has become an example of a paradoxical situation when heavy armor cannot realize its potential, but at the same time needs significant improvements. Yes, we are talking about the long-suffering tanks, whose protection is now in difficult conditions.

Have you completely lost your position?


I must say, the situation from the side really looks strange. Main battle tanks have always been considered a universal contraption capable of solving the main military tasks in the offensive and defense. Even in the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe of 1990, the interpretation of the definition of “main tank” is quite clear: a ground-based melee weapon operating on the “see-shoot” principle under the influence of most enemy fire and other means. Or, to put it more simply, a weapon system capable of smashing to shreds most targets within sight, and armor that can withstand a blow in response.



But a special military operation began in Ukraine and the tanks, it seems, began to give up their positions. Everything flies over them: various kinds of guided missiles, grenades, drones factory and handicraft production, mines are exploding under the tracks, coming from above from artillery, and so on. Often with very sad consequences. In such a situation, in general, it may seem that it is better for a tank not to appear on the battlefield - the “reverse side of the coin” in the form of cases when the armor withstands hits is usually not shown, but they are, and there are many of them. Nevertheless, the picture as a whole is not very rosy, one cannot but agree here.


Now they are trying to be careful with armored vehicles, including tanks. In many respects, this is precisely why in the NMD the phenomenon of supporting infantry with tanks at a great distance from the enemy has taken on a wide scope - assaults, which are now practiced by both our and Ukrainian military. Once upon a time, Wagner, which fell into disgrace, was actively criticized for this, but it’s impossible to save cars in another way.

This also includes shooting at long distances from closed positions - a year ago this "innovation" was of a situational nature, but now it has become a mass phenomenon. Moreover, they became so skilled in this matter that with the help of adjustments with drone reached more or less acceptable accuracy rates, as far as the barrel of a tank gun allows. And this despite the fact that in the tank, except for the side level, there are absolutely no devices for this.


All this is not from a good life, but it is worth noting that the current circumstances are a combination of factors, some of which are not related to tanks.

Loss minimization is a common cause


You need to understand that a tank, with all its merits in the form of powerful armor, a high-pulse cannon with powerful projectiles and other things, although it is a universal combat weapon, can by no means be considered separately in such military conflicts.

The tank is part of the army system, in which close and effective interaction is an important condition. aviation, artillery, motorized rifle units, air defense, reconnaissance, electronic warfare equipment, engineering troops and everything else that ideally forms the very well-functioning anthill called a combined arms operation.

Therefore, protecting a tank is also a collective effort of troops aimed at actively counteracting reconnaissance and defeating the largest possible number of fire and other means at the disposal of the enemy. The latter is extremely important, since it is due to this that a significant minimization of losses occurs. The maximum possible number of threats must be eliminated even before the conditional tank appeared in the field of view. And this is not the author's idea.

In the course of a special military operation in Ukraine, the tanks did not face the threats that were previously unknown, with the possible exception of just a myriad of drones of various stripes. However, “flying grenades” and all sorts of other “Lancets” hit not only and not so much tanks as other equipment and weapons, ranging from various armored cars, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, ending with artillery pieces, etc. Therefore, it will be necessary to solve the problem of the dominance of unmanned aircraft complex, since this is a common headache for everything that is on the line of contact and in its immediate vicinity.


Otherwise, nothing that would radically change the outcome on the battlefield. No discouraging innovations, after a collision with which one could say for sure: take your overcoat, let's go home.

On the other hand, they faced the impossibility of creating a total superiority in the forces and means of combined arms combat, in particular, which formed the current positional "butting", multiplied by the abundance of anti-tank weapons.

Full-fledged powerful fire training, in principle, from the realm of fantasy - it is impossible to concentrate a large array of artillery, both because of its limited number, and "suffocation" in the form of a total counter-battery fight. Dominance in the air at least to some significant depth of the front is also not ensured. What then to demand from tanks? Here, even to compensate for the lack of quality of preliminary preparation by the number of tanks will not work - on such a huge front in terms of length, within the framework of the available forces, this is simply impossible.

In such a situation, when even a quarter of the firepower is not suppressed in the simulated offensive sector, everything will fly not only against tanks, but also against other equipment and units participating in the operation. Here, even the most protected tank went into battle - everything will end very predictably. Armor in these conditions will not play a decisive role.

An eloquent example is the “counterattack” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


The same combat helicopters that shoot off equipment in batches, or mines that blow up dozens of Western armored vehicles and tanks, have become a natural uber-weaponsable to stop the attack. They became due to the fact that the Ukrainians corny have neither air defense means of direct cover, nor a sane amount of engineering equipment. We multiply this by the armored groups, which are small in terms of the number of vehicles, and the factors indicated above - we get a logical result.


And no, the author does not belittle our victories, it is simply the clearest proof that no matter how cool tanks and other equipment may seem, they will still be turned into burnt tin cans if there is no strength for a massive strike and there is nothing to support and ensure advancement.

Defense also needs to be improved.


Minimizing losses through fire training and ensuring the advancement of troops is paramount, but we must not forget that the armor of a tank is one of those components that guarantees its combat effectiveness. And there is something to think about, since the special military operation in Ukraine has once again proved that tanks are hit by various kinds of ammunition not only in the most protected forehead, but also in other projections, and in most cases.


The bottom line is that the principle of differentiated armor has dominated the global tank building for many decades. It consists in the fact that the most powerful array of armor is traditionally located in the frontal parts of the hull and turret of the tank, as projections most susceptible to shelling. Whereas the sides, stern, roof and bottom, respectively, are awarded many times smaller thicknesses. Here, in general, there is no difference - this is Abrams, Leopard 2 or T-90M.

This design feature of tanks largely shapes the tactics of tank crews, but this will not save you from the arrival of some precision-guided munition on the roof or missiles on board from an anti-tank system hidden somewhere in a building or bushes.


In this regard, it is tempting to once again pay attention to the concept of tanks with equal armor, which will be protected equally from all sides. Nevertheless, the idea is completely divorced from reality and cannot be implemented in practice.

This is hampered by the conditionally (precisely conditionally) solvable problems of the huge mass of the tank, the significantly increased dimensions of the vehicle and the associated difficulties with transportation, power plants, the general design and chassis in particular, the complete replacement of the fleet of auxiliary equipment (BREM, bridge layers, tank carriers, etc. d) and so on. And actually unsolvable in the form of an extremely small reserve for the modernization of armor, the improvement of which each time will lead to a significant increase in the mass and dimensions of the tank - a vicious circle from which it will be impossible to escape.

In this regard, there is no point in appealing to armor at all - differentiation to one degree or another will remain forever. Therefore, one of the main directions for increasing the all-round security of a tank is active (reactive) counteraction to ammunition and guidance.

This primarily includes complexes of dynamic protection (DZ). First of all, because there is at least some progress on them, if we talk about our military-industrial complex. Before the special military operation in Ukraine, we could observe completely ridiculous options for installing remote sensing systems on many tanks, which in general were the result of Soviet formalism in the style of “keeps it in heading angles and okay.”

But now the situation has begun to change: most of the weakened areas are covered with explosive elements, including even the fenders, the gun mantlet and the rear of the hull and turrets of the vehicles. As they say, the experience made me spin and look for solutions. Of course, not without big flaws, looking at which one can only ask the question of who invented it and why. However, a start has already been made - it is only a matter of subsequent refinement and high-quality overlapping of a larger area of ​​the tank's armor.

Circular overlap of the tank with dynamic protection, which became the result of the experience of the NWO
Circular overlap of the tank with dynamic protection, which became the result of the experience of the NWO

A few words need to be said about active protection (KAZ). This is generally a sore subject, at the mention of which the domestic reader often has a feeling of deep annoyance due to the fact that KAZ is still not on any serial Russian tank.

Yes, there are big problems in this regard, which, if we discard financial and technological issues, are related to operational (including in combat) reliability, danger to surrounding infantry and lightly armored vehicles, energy consumption and training of crews to work with equipment. In fact, that is why not only in our country, but also in other quite advanced countries of the world, active defense, working on the principle of destroying ammunition flying up to the tank, is treated with some skepticism.

"Eighty" with the complex of active protection "Arena"
"Eighty" with the complex of active protection "Arena"

But the advantages of having a KAZ on a tank are, in principle, undeniable. Even the Arena, which is not the most ideal in terms of characteristics, is able to reduce the probability of hitting a tank and losing vehicles as a whole. Not to mention the more advanced "Drozd-2", which, after improvements, was named "Afghanit" and registered in an experimental order on the "Armata" and other new models of armored vehicles and armored boats. So yes, it’s expensive, hard to manufacture, but in the foreseeable future it will hardly be possible to do without a product of this type on a tank.

And finally, do not forget about disguise. In our country, both in the media and in specialized publications, they don’t pay much attention to this important detail - just give everyone active and dynamic protection.

In the meantime, systems for setting up aerosol curtains, working both in pairs with sensors for detecting laser irradiation (Shtora on T-90 tanks), and complexes for detecting ultraviolet radiation from rocket engines implemented on Armata; "Capes" for the T-90M, which have become the talk of the town, as well as some measures to reduce the visibility of a structural nature, such as reducing the visibility of exhaust and other things, together give quite tangible results.

T-90M with Nakidka complex in the zone of special military operation
T-90M with Nakidka complex in the zone of special military operation

Aerosol munition launchers and UV sensors on the T-14 Armata
Aerosol munition launchers and UV sensors on the T-14 Armata

And this primarily concerns high-precision means: missiles with homing heads, including Javelins and more formidable aircraft gizmos, adjustable projectiles, homing submunitions of cluster shells and smart mines.

Here we can only summarize with calculations from the Research Institute of Steel, which, with the full implementation of camouflage measures, give the following:

the probability of being hit by homing submunitions with radiometric sensors is reduced from 85% to 20%, and with thermal sensors - from 80–70% to 4–1%;

• losses from air strikes, depending on the weapons on board, are reduced by 50-70%;

• losses from reconnaissance and strike systems fall by 70-80%;

• losses in battle of a conditional tank division are reduced by 80%.


All these things, including dynamic and active protection, as well as means of reducing visibility, someday will still have to “sit down” on tanks in one version or another. Just because the armor in its current implementation will not be able to fully withstand all the threats on the battlefield - it already clearly demonstrates this with the example of the SVO. Otherwise, the full combat effectiveness of tanks in the future is out of the question.
91 comment
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. -17
    2 August 2023 05: 03
    What is the danger of the current situation for us? We consciously or unconsciously feed and grow the beast, the enemy. He studies, trains, tests military equipment, and even through third countries we supply them with fuel. And NATO also observes and calculates all options for a war with us. That amount of equipment destroyed by the Russian army is not fatal for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and NATO. They are constantly improving the training of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in principle they hold the front and advance in any sector, even if they try.
    We need to radically change the strategy of the war in Ukraine. Time is against us now. Now the first thing to do is to liberate the entire Left-Bank Ukraine by November 7, take Kyiv, and even better, liberate the Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson regions. If you do not break Ukraine to the presidential elections in Russia, then the liberals in power may lose them. soldier
    1. -6
      2 August 2023 06: 39
      by November 7, liberate the entire Left-Bank Ukraine

      Ha, by November 7, only the APU counteroffensive will end, bogged down in our defenses and muddy soil. Our offensive will begin in December, and God forbid that by March (let's not forget: the presidential elections, however!) the AFRF will please the Garant, as well as all Russians, either with the liberation of the DPR, or with the encirclement of Kharkov. It is not worth counting on something more, with such a pace of mobilization.
      1. +5
        2 August 2023 21: 47
        Quote: MBRBS
        Ha, by November 7, only the APU counteroffensive will end

        Wangyu, that he will finally run out of steam by the end of August. Now all his sponsors are already raising the chime through their mass media, they have already started talking about the reduction / curtailment of assistance and are going to decide in Saudi Arabia how to trick Russia into a "truce".
        Quote: MBRBS
        and God forbid that by March (let's not forget: the presidential elections, however!) the AFRF will please the Garant, as well as all Russians, either with the liberation of the DPR, or with the encirclement of Kharkov.

        If such a task is set, nothing is impossible. But judging by the course of events, no one is forcing their course. Perhaps because it is not an end in itself, but only a place for applying efforts in resolving the issue of Russia's long-term security.
        It is impossible to enter into negotiations with used ones, and indeed it is impossible - they have such negotiations prohibited by law. So CBO will continue for as long as it takes. The deployment of new armies and corps in the Russian Federation is just beginning, the military industry has just reached / is reaching full capacity, the re-equipment of the existing Army and the equipping of new formations and formations is underway and will continue for at least another year. Where to hurry?
        Quote: MBRBS
        It is not worth counting on something more, with such a pace of mobilization.

        In addition to mobilization, it is also necessary to arm, equip with everything necessary and provide command personnel for new corps and armies. This time is not decided at once.
        But the collective West is clearly fizzling out economically, financially, and in terms of logistics. Ammunition is running out, and their entire joint industry is not even able to cover the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So either the West will start to crawl away and surrender the illegally seized territories, or it will suffer a global defeat, after which hardly anyone will remember it.
        And the elections ... You better think about the elections in the United States, that's where the circus will be and is already starting with horses, donkeys and trained elephants.
        1. +9
          3 August 2023 09: 23
          Wangyu, that he will finally run out of steam by the end of August. Now all his sponsors are already raising the chime through their mass media, they have already started talking about the reduction / curtailment of assistance and are going to decide in Saudi Arabia how to trick Russia into a "truce".

          And if the APU does not run out of steam? And if all these articles in the Western press are just misinformation so that our leadership, in anticipation of an agreement, does not start mobilization?
          In fact, our troops also suffer losses and they are not replenished, while the enemy has several corps in reserve not yet committed to battle and continues to mobilize. Remind you how last year our leadership, in anticipation of an agreement, also did nothing all summer, until regroupings with difficult decisions began? After all, they are not fools either, and they perfectly understand that in summer, in dry weather, ours are waiting for them.
          In my opinion, despite the objective problems with the world economy, a disinformation operation is taking place in order to prevent mobilization in our country, and judging by the usual coma of our leadership, it is successful. By the end of September, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at the cost of heavy losses, will knock out most of our personnel, receive more armored vehicles, possibly F-16 aircraft, our leadership and society, which was preparing for a counteroffensive in the summer, and even reading articles about the need for negotiations, they will relax, and the enemy will find weaker points , especially after the disappearance of the Kakhovka reservoir and hit like last year near Kharkov.
          If such a task is set, nothing is impossible. But judging by the course of events, no one is forcing their course. Perhaps because it is not an end in itself, but only a place for applying efforts in resolving the issue of Russia's long-term security.

          And why then did the NWO have to start? To reduce the number of men in our country and make a neighbor a blood enemy? So far, in fact, over the past 10 years, our leadership of the country, having every chance to annex Ukraine, has done everything to make this people enemy, as they wanted in the West.
          The deployment of new armies and corps in the Russian Federation is just beginning, the military industry has just reached / is reaching full capacity, the re-equipment of the existing Army and the equipping of new formations and formations is underway and will continue for at least another year.

          These are all empty and unrealistic promises. In order for this to become a reality, first of all, the leadership of the country, the economy and, last but not least, the population must be mobilized. None of this is happening with us, which means the result will be appropriate, as are plans to have several Su-2020 air regiments and a couple of thousand T-57 Armata by 14
          But the collective West is clearly fizzling out economically, financially, and in terms of logistics. Ammunition is running out, and their entire joint industry is not even able to cover the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

          Where did you get it from? They floated junk to Ukraine, and their economy did not feel it. You listen to their politicians, they are all going to help Ukraine further. And they have no problems with ammunition, but we have them. Or did General Popov lie just like Prigogine about ammunition?
          1. +1
            3 August 2023 21: 20
            Here you also need to add: We have difficulties with weapons, but don’t the Armed Forces of Ukraine have them? There are also quite large ones. In a year, Russia will deploy weapons and equip troops. And Ukraine, what will stand still? The West has already stated that it will arm Ukraine until they defeat Russia, which means it will continue to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine with newer weapons. The window of opportunity for the RF Armed Forces is early autumn or, at worst, winter. It won’t work out - we are crazy, we will have to fight in a long and painful war, followed by a collapse.
            1. 0
              4 August 2023 04: 46
              Quote: Alexey Lantukh
              The West has already stated that it will arm Ukraine until they defeat Russia, which means it will continue to arm the Armed Forces of Ukraine with newer weapons.

              They don't have any wunder waffes anymore. There is nothing to give them such that there was an advantage. And the shells are running out. And they spend two or three times less than ours.
              Quote: Alexey Lantukh
              . The window of opportunity for the RF Armed Forces is early autumn or, at worst, winter.

              belay And what ? Fenders?
              Will the APU grow new heroes?
              What are you going to do in the fall? Is the army mobilized? Is she ready to accept hundreds of thousands of new fighters at once?
              Quote: Alexey Lantukh
              will have to fight in a long and painful war with a subsequent collapse.

              lol Lyosha, we have been fighting here for the tenth year, and nothing has collapsed with us.
              And it will be the same for you - those who disagree will simply leave.
          2. +3
            4 August 2023 04: 23
            Quote: ramzay21
            And if the APU does not run out of steam? And if all these articles in the Western press are just misinformation so that our leadership, in anticipation of an agreement, does not start mobilization?

            Haven't you noticed how our legislation has changed? Accurate to general mobilization. And the draft age was raised to 30 years. And recruitment under the contract continues. Only new recruits were recruited this year under 250 thousand. This is for those 500-600 thousand that are in the NWO zone now.
            Well, the country is not ready for mobilization. No one prepared it, no plans, no lists, no stocks, no infrastructure to receive a large number of mobilized. remember what a mess was going on in the fall, when 300 thousand were called? And even for them, for only 300 thousand, there was not enough uniforms, not to mention equipment, weapons (and these are not only machine guns), transport, communications and command personnel.
            That's why now they prefer to recruit under the contract. at least this is obtained gradually, as new units, formations and armies (associations) are formed.
            We don't have team members!
            Nobody cooked! There are no officers. Two-thirds of military universities and academies were closed, and those that remained for 5 years did not recruit cadets! So where do they come from? We have only ONE flight school left. For all types of aircraft.
            Thank you Shoigu
            So, before forming new armies, corps and divisions (and they are being formed), they must first find commanders according to the state, fill the staff with officers, fill warehouses with uniforms and equipment, produce military equipment or raise, repair, modernize from households, if possible.
            And that's all - time.
            And this time is won in our steppes - Donbass and Zaporozhye.
            Quote: ramzay21
            And if the APU does not run out of steam?

            Already out of breath. The psychological breakdown is already underway. And the equipment is knocked out, and the personnel. They already have two of the three prepared corps, which were prepared for the offensive, unwound and set aside for re-formation.
            Meanwhile, our equipment is growing. look how many "Lancets" appeared. And last year it was a rare curiosity. And learned to apply. See how these penny drones with an RPG-7 grenade knock out enemy vehicles. How sappers work out, how minefields are restored.
            And how did Uralvagozavod work! Tanks are baked like pies in the USSR. And the production of engines for them was established by Chelyabinsk residents - Soviet records were broken. This is not hyperbole, if anything.
            Quote: ramzay21
            To remind you how last year our leadership, in anticipation of an agreement, also did nothing all summer

            What should I remind. I know better from Donetsk how it did nothing all summer. how the Ferris Wheels opened, and the river buses ... Well, that's how it is - that's what it is. They were slapped on the tinsel with a grain deal, they "deceived", "threw" ... well, if I'm glad to be deceived, it means merit and honor.
            And now they decided to fight - the military industry is accelerating. There are not enough workers. And the Chinese recently helped in some way - they refused used supplies of drones and components for them, as well as dual-use goods ... And now we have shock drones (battlefield drones are meant), and they have " suddenly "... it didn't turn out. Europeans do not make them in such quantities. Or they make it again, from Chinese spare parts ... And now they too - a ban has been drawn.
            Quote: ramzay21
            By the end of September, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will knock out most of our personnel at the cost of heavy losses.

            This won't happen. they do not have so many personnel to knock out ours. Their losses are much higher than ours. And for obvious reasons - they are trying to attack. The cutting edge is a few kilometers away from me, although I live in the center of Donetsk. XReN who will they knock out here.

            Quote: ramzay21
            possibly F-16 aircraft

            And what ? What will they change? Are they better than the MiG-29 and Su-27 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Do they have avionics and weapons? May they not take out a single battle with our Su-35S and our air defense. I am telling you this as an air defense reserve officer, as a Soviet officer.
            They have already knocked out most of the weapons supplied this year. And the destruction of enemy equipment and manpower has become just a routine.
            Will they start a PMC like last fall?
            Welcome! They are waiting here. This was last year and where there was no continuous line of defense ... but in general there was no line of defense, so there was a light focal curtain. That's where they showed themselves. With a seven to tenfold superiority in numbers. Now they do not have this superiority.
            But we have reserves. Moreover, those that also did not start in the NWO zone. And there are already enough of them ... Let's say no less than the total number of all Ground Forces of the RF Armed Forces at the beginning of the NMD. And these are only reserves - for the NWO, but outside the NWO zone.
            And as for ammunition ... Well, firstly, they are. And more and more high-precision. Here the counter-battery was set up with the help of "Tornado-S" - guided precision-guided munitions. Up to 200 km. range (although they probably don’t shoot at such a range, but any “Haymars” will now be reached easily and naturally.
            Quote: ramzay21
            And why then did the NWO have to start?

            So that the Crimea is not captured.
            Almost a year before the start of the NMD, our intelligence received a laptop of the colonel of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a combat plan for March last year (received in the spring of 2021). A blow to the Donbass, a quick victory and then a turn to the Crimea. And not through the Zaporizhzhya steppes, but through the minefields, as now, but quickly and suddenly immediately to Dzhankoy and Armyansk, and marching columns to the steppe Crimea.
            How many troops were there in Crimea? Copus? And they would throw a few buildings. And they would have carried out the mobilization immediately after the start of the database quickly and in an organized manner (unlike Shoige). So instead of 350 thousand personnel only (250 thousand personnel + 100 thousand ATO veterans already mobilized since the beginning of 2021) + the same number in a month and a half.
            And what would Shoigi's "Little Army" do then? Which for the SVO, together with the Russian Guard, barely collected 100 thousand?
            So they hit first. With all the dope and from all sides at once, to disorient. And then how it went ... how the commander's "genius" Shoigi and Gerasimov took out.
            But then (and still is taking out) the courage and heroism of the Russian soldier, the Russian officer.
            And now a completely new Army is being built.
            Because it will take a long time to fight.
            Only Suvorov and Rokosovsky could quickly ... but for the towers it is ... galoshes.
            1. 0
              6 August 2023 09: 13
              Haven't you noticed how our legislation has changed? Accurate to general mobilization. And the draft age was raised to 30 years. And recruitment under the contract continues. Only new recruits were recruited this year under 250 thousand. This is for those 500-600 thousand that are in the NWO zone now.

              These 250 thousand include all BARS, the entire NM of the LDNR, and most likely those who re-signed a contract with the Moscow Region, which changed the status of those already at war, but did NOT change the number of those at war. As a result, we get the number of real replenishment in the troops, among which there are convicts, and this number is very far from 250 thousand. You are still not used to the power of scammers.
              Well, the country is not ready for mobilization. No one prepared it, no plans, no lists, no stocks, no infrastructure to receive a large number of mobilized. remember what a mess was going on in the fall, when 300 thousand were called?

              Our country under this government is not ready for anything, even for the onset of winter.
              And even for them, for only 300 thousand, there was not enough uniforms, not to mention equipment, weapons (and these are not only machine guns), transport, communications and command personnel.

              Our country has enough money and places where uniforms, equipment, communications can be bought, the problem with transport is solved by purchasing 10-15 thousand cars, including domestic Niva cars.
              Command cadres are obtained by creating accelerated three-month officer courses, to which intelligent fighters are sent from the front line and advancing well-proven officers to the top.
              In addition, it is necessary to create separate companies of UAVs and UAV countermeasures, which should be commanded by people who are already successfully doing this and have experience, such people must go through even more accelerated officer courses and receive the rank of starley of the UAV troops. Again, it is not a problem for our state to purchase UAVs and transport in the form of the same Niva and UAZ vehicles. At least a hundred of these companies will significantly strengthen our army.
              It is also necessary to create a structure for UAV troops and, on the basis of military universities, it is necessary to create a military school for UAV troops, and only those leaders of those who were able to create such structures in the warring units should simply be assigned general ranks and appointed commanders .
              Already out of breath. The psychological breakdown is already underway. And the equipment is knocked out, and the personnel. They already have two prepared hulls out of three, which were prepared for the offensive, unwound and set aside for reorganization

              Again. They have continuous purposeful work to mobilize people, train them, arm and replenish the active troops, and they have more than one corps in reserve, and their units are constantly replenished, in addition, they have a rotation of troops, that is, there is a working SYSTEM. Yes, they have huge losses and huge problems with this, but they work.
              And what ? What will they change? Are they better than the MiG-29 and Su-27 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Do they have avionics and weapons? May they not take out a single battle with our Su-35S and our air defense. This is me telling you as an air defense reserve officer, as a Soviet officer

              The F-16s will not fight in air battles with the Su-35s, they will perform the tasks of attack aircraft, throwing UPABs of various calibers on the heads of our fighters from a distance of almost a hundred kilometers or striking with long-range missiles and neither our Su-35s nor air defense will do anything with they won’t do it, just as they didn’t do anything against several Su-24s doing it now. And it is very bad that you, as a Soviet officer, do not understand this simple thing.
              But we have reserves. Moreover, those who also did not start in the NWO zone

              There are on paper, but in reality they are not there, above I described this in detail to you
              And as for ammunition ... Well, firstly, they are.

              That is, combat general Popov and fighters from the front lie about the lack of ammunition, especially 122 and 152 mm, and tanks from closed positions do not work instead of artillery?
              Didn't you, as an officer, understand this from the same video about the battle of one tank against 8 armored vehicles. Yes, there were more shells than half a year ago, but are they really enough if artillery regiments armed with 122 mm systems were left without ammunition and they were transferred to artillery systems that fired at Berlin and they still have not returned to their standard systems?
              Here the counter-battery was set up with the help of "Tornado-S" lead - guided precision-guided munitions

              How many of those Tornado-S are in the troops and what are they doing with the plant producing these OPG systems of the head of Rostec Chemezov? Or do you think that the bankruptcy trustee, with experience in cutting into metal such enterprises and the manager of a dozen more enterprises, will triple the output of Tornado-S MLRS?
              So that the Crimea is not captured.
              Almost a year before the start of the NMD, our intelligence received a laptop of the colonel of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a combat plan for March last year (received in the spring of 2021)

              Awesome version!
              1. 0
                7 August 2023 09: 53
                Hard work is going on. Yes, with difficulties, but it goes. New technology is coming, new people are coming. In our town, several times more people went to the contract than were called up during the mobilization. This is despite the fact that there are productions of the military-industrial complex and many reserved ones. Even the rotation is gradually carried out! The problem is the distribution of the best solutions to the entire army, it does not work everywhere and not always. It's like with communication, it also needs to be implemented everywhere!
    2. +4
      2 August 2023 06: 59
      "If Ukraine is not broken by the presidential elections in Russia, then the liberals in power may lose them"
      that normal people should not upset laughing
      "Tanks are not the main thing now ..."
      the tank simply does not have solvable tasks on its own. its weapons can’t help the infantry much - firing from a tank from closed positions is just laughter, and the desire to at least somehow use tanks. any towed gun of a similar caliber has a huge advantage over a tank gun in terms of range and accuracy of fire and the range of shells, and with a trained crew, in mobility and invisibility compared to a tank. as for the counter-battery fight, it is unlikely that the enemy has full pockets of this "good", and 100% hit targets. again, the point is the training of the calculation and the change in the tactics of using artillery. to protect the tank from infantry, at least, also all the acid-a dozen infantrymen with RPGs, skillfully dug in and disguised, will make any tank, even an abrash, even a breakthrough. therefore, tanks are not needed now, on the front line. you need to withdraw them from there, as they were withdrawn from Afghanistan in due time, and keep them in readiness away from weapons of destruction, waiting for the right time. and instead of them, saturate the troops with guns "b" and "c". now they are more needed, and cheaper and easier to manufacture. Every vegetable has its time. the time for tanks will come, breakthroughs, detours, enemy airfields, it will still be
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. 0
        2 August 2023 14: 07
        And also, let's bring out the fighters, well, they can be shot down, then it's better not to use them, and with turntables too, also why do fighters need machine guns? And what if the enemy takes a trophy, in principle, and cuttings from shovels can cope, why do they need armored cars, all kinds of armored personnel carriers, let them move on foot, otherwise they can destroy the equipment, and let them jump out of the trenches and shout FOR THE MOTHERLAND!
        1. 0
          3 August 2023 08: 37
          "And let's bring out the fighters, well, them"
          did you understand what you read in my comment? tanks have no tasks for this operation. when infantry advances with platoons supported by one tank, this is the right way to lose a tank and simulate the vigorous activity of the infantry, and so many tanks have already been lost that they began to raise the T-55 from storage, with very modest success in liberating territories. tanks are not needed there, at least now. self-propelled guns and towed guns will successfully replace them, only the program in the brains of commanders needs to be changed. otherwise they also think how you are, well, how can you fight without tanks? possible, and how. after all, a tank is a wagon for a cannon, as one tank theorist said 80 years ago. I will add from myself - not the best gun, and a very expensive wagon. and with a very limited area of ​​​​use laughing
      3. -1
        3 August 2023 21: 40
        It’s hard for me, not a specialist in artillery and tanks, to argue with something. However, if you do not compare shooting at medium distances, but shooting at small 1-2-3 km, and even a specific target, for example, a building, structure, then I don’t think that the conclusion about the inappropriateness of such shooting will be correct. Especially if you take care of installing special sights on the tank. The self-propelled guns are essentially also a tank, but only specialized, for artillery fire, mainly from closed positions. The tank also has an advantage - thick armor. Small-caliber artillery is not as scary to him as fragments.
    3. +13
      2 August 2023 07: 09
      Quote: V.
      Now the first thing to do is to liberate the entire Left-Bank Ukraine by November 7, take Kyiv, and even better, liberate the Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson regions.

      The suburb of Donetsk, Avdeevka, cannot be recaptured from the Khinzirs; during the assault on Bakhmut Wagner, more than 20 thousand people were killed alone.
      1. -1
        2 August 2023 19: 07
        At the very beginning, they tried to storm Avdiivka with the understandable result, but the Russian troops never reached Donetsk and did not really fight from it
      2. -3
        2 August 2023 19: 48
        The suburb of Donetsk, Avdeevka, cannot be recaptured from the Khinzirs; during the assault on Bakhmut Wagner, more than 20 thousand people were killed alone.

        Do you know how much the enemy lost?
        1. -1
          3 August 2023 03: 34
          Do you know? Statements of propaganda and others are not needed.
        2. 0
          3 August 2023 18: 58
          Quote: Oleg812spb
          Do you know how much the enemy lost?

          They are not interested in this, this is a purely Ukrainian approach - "look, they have lost a lot", but how many losses they have they will modestly keep silent. You correctly noted about the losses, it is necessary to consider the ratio, and not the indicators of one side. But they also caught minuses
    4. -1
      2 August 2023 08: 04
      Lose to whom?
      Well, Putin says I'm tired, I'm leaving. Or a heart attack and death.
      2 real contenders, okay 3: Shoigu, Mishustin and Melvedev... Or do you see some other name?
      1. +4
        2 August 2023 08: 19
        Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
        Lose to whom?
        Well, Putin says I'm tired, I'm leaving. Or a heart attack and death.
        2 real contenders, okay 3: Shoigu, Mishustin and Melvedev... Or do you see some other name?

        if it is "I'm tired, I'm a fly-cat", then it will be the same as with Yeltsin and Putin, whom no one knew particularly before and pulled him out quite "not far" before the "event" .. therefore, the listed individuals are unlikely to be involved, need a particularly "unlit" character, similar to Putin "sample of 2000" ..
        1. -9
          2 August 2023 14: 28
          I see two real presidential candidates as opposed to the liberals, this is Grudinin and Zyuganov's son. One leader is from God, the other is a future party leader. Both firmly stand on the position of democracy and popular prosperity. soldier
          1. +6
            2 August 2023 14: 35
            Quote: V.
            I see two real presidential candidates as opposed to the liberals, this is Grudinin and Zyuganov's son. One leader is from God, the other is a future party leader. Both firmly stand on the position of democracy and popular prosperity.

            I won’t say anything about Grudinin, a controversial story, but Zyuganov’s son? I mean, what did he do besides being born to Zyuganov's dad? and Zyuganov himself, after giving up the opportunity in 1996, is definitely not my idol ...
            1. -2
              2 August 2023 14: 51
              Manturov is also the son of a party functionary of the CPSU, and where did he take off? Effective manager. Yes What about Le Pen's daughter?
          2. 0
            2 August 2023 21: 38
            against the liberals

            Who the hell, WHO are these mythical liberals? I don’t understand, who do they mean when someone starts waving a scourge with relish and angrily stigmatizing?
            Putin and Co. are liberals? Liberalism is a movement aimed at expanding the current rights of its electorate - in what area did these comrades expand their rights? I see only a narrowing of real rights - either de facto or de jure. Duma activity emanating from EdRa also kakbe hints at the fact that only a schoolboy can call them liberals.
            Who else are these mythical liberals who should be feared and hated? Liberal Democratic Party? There, from "liberal" - one name, this is from the 90s (when what they did could still be called liberalism with a big stretch) a purely populist project with slight notes of nationalism. Moreover, their rhetoric and proposals of recent years run counter to both the more or less modern understanding of academic "liberalism" and the avant-garde ideas about it that exist in the West.
            Maybe we should be afraid of Yavlinsky? With his 1.5% or whatever he scored. Yeah, these ideas are insanely popular here.
            So who are we afraid of - Titov? Prilepin? Who is the granny under the bed?
            1. -1
              3 August 2023 05: 25
              To argue that it is not liberals or liberal democrats who are in power now is to sculpt a hunchback to the wall. All actions speak of the liberalism of power. Take at least the complete freedom of the oligarchs of the rich world-eaters. How much money they took abroad, and that we have the freedom to dispose of our earnings, the freedom to ruin our industry, the freedom to pay meager salaries to doctors, teachers, meager pensions for pensioners, etc. soldier
      2. +2
        2 August 2023 08: 23
        Quote: Georgy Sviridov_2
        Or do you see another name?
        Dyumin, Patrushev Jr., Sobyanin ... Everything is stronger than Medvedev
        1. +2
          2 August 2023 08: 51
          You don’t know Medvedev at all since you write like that.
          1. +2
            2 August 2023 10: 14
            Do you know him very well?
      3. 0
        2 August 2023 22: 41
        .and what can you say for Prigozhin ... his program will already be more severe than that of Medvedev with his .. ''no money but you hold on'' .. at least an idea about our honored reindeer breeder (his general women) or commander in chief .. .yes, and we have a lot of financiers, but how to be responsible for the project .. 300M $ .. everything is in the bushes ...
      4. 0
        4 August 2023 21: 53
        Dyumin
        .............. ...................................
    5. -1
      2 August 2023 08: 51
      Soldiers V
      You are right in many ways, but dates and elections are no longer a problem. And we won’t see Kyiv and the Dnieper (except for the Smolensk region) - this is a patriotic frenzy of propaganda about the borders of Poland ...
      1. -5
        2 August 2023 14: 47
        What is the success of a military genius? He wins wins in any conditions. Our ranges for testing military equipment are larger than the Left-Bank Ukraine. S-400, S-500 covers half of Ukraine from east to west and all of Ukraine from north to south. Why does the Ukrainian Air Force fly? Why are Hymers installations freely moving around the territory, when for 50 years our satellites have been reading the numbers of cars from orbit. Many who served in the air defense do not understand this in the Strategic Missile Forces. We have different effective weapons like a fool of shag. Why are they not burning the territory to the west of Donetsk together with artillery? 4 Deaths and Hurricanes are in the trunk. Etc. soldier
    6. +2
      2 August 2023 16: 52
      Quote: V.
      Now the first thing to do is to liberate the entire Left-Bank Ukraine by November 7, take Kyiv, and even better, liberate the Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson regions.

      As I understand it, you are volunteering here to run with a PPSh or a mosquito at the ready in the forefront to Kyiv, or to swim across the Dnieper to Kherson with the same PPSh?
    7. 0
      2 October 2023 08: 41
      I'm afraid in the current situation there will be no elections. No one will give up power. Win before November 7 FANTASTIC. BUT you think correctly.
  2. +3
    2 August 2023 05: 06
    NWO forced to reconsider the role of various weapons on the modern battlefield.
    Tanks are not the main thing now ... what
    I find it difficult to give now what will be the determining factor for defeating the enemy ... super-duper weapons cannot turn the tide of the war ... only a combination of factors, and this is already the topic of not one article but a multi-volume edition of scientific minds.
    Before us is the advanced front of NATO represented by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is very interesting to observe according to what manuals this organization will fight with us ... I hope there will be no new surprises for our military in the near future from NATO.
    1. +15
      2 August 2023 05: 45
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Tanks are not the main thing now ...

      The main thing has always been the interaction of military branches with dominance in the sky
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      super duper weapons can't turn the tide of war...

      This is not in nature
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Before us is the advanced front of NATO in the face of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,

      The Armed Forces of Ukraine are still very far from the same Americans, both in terms of weapons and the use of existing weapons
    2. -1
      2 August 2023 13: 23
      to the tanks again began to dominate the battlefield, necessary
      in the process of modernization of tanks T-72B3, T-80BVM, T-90M:
      - add DZ Relic to the entire length of the fenders
      - add Built-in DZ Relict on the roof of the tower, mounted DZ on crew hatches, rework opening hatches
      - add side by side to the KAZ Arena-M tower, protected by DZ Cactus blocks
      (KAZ Arena-M has shots (4) to protect the upper hemisphere)
  3. -10
    2 August 2023 06: 09
    Quote: Krasnodar
    This is not in nature

    There is nuclear weapons smile,
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine are still very far from the same Americans, both in terms of weapons and the use of existing weapons

    And why equate the natives of the Ukrainian Indians with pale-faced coyotes ... the task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is to inflict maximum damage on Russia ... what they are doing with success and NATO's help ... at the same time, NATO members are studying the capabilities of our army in reality.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The main thing has always been the interaction of military branches with dominance in the sky

    Here you can argue...
    air supremacy of the RA aviation is not a determining factor in the database, the enemy inflicts painful injections, as in the Bryansk region.
    The interaction of military branches is good against partisans and Taliban in slippers, well, even Palestinians ... and when you are dealing with the regular army of a country like Russia, several missile strikes at key points can send all your interaction into the void.
    War is an unpredictable thing in terms of consequences ... the entropy of events can turn anywhere.
    An example ... the actions of our GDP suddenly and with tragic consequences gave the order to withdraw our troops from Kyiv and Bucha. request...an irreparable mistake.
    1. +4
      2 August 2023 07: 06
      "There is a nuclear weapon"
      it is a very double-edged weapon, and a weapon of last chance, or even a kusungobu. there is no point in using it - the consequences can be extremely severe. even tiao
    2. +2
      2 August 2023 07: 17
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      There is nuclear weapons,

      It's a deterrent/doomsday weapon
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      air supremacy of the RA aviation is not a determining factor in the database,

      Air supremacy is the unhindered destruction of any reconnaissance target by aircraft
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The interaction of the branches of the armed forces is good against the partisans and the Taliban in slippers, well, even the Palestinians ..

      To defeat the above, special services + the maximum number of soldiers per km are needed. sq., and not a combined arms battle. Still the right policy, yes))
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      and when you are dealing with the regular army of a country like Russia, several missile attacks on key points can send all your interaction into the void.

      How so?
      1. +2
        2 August 2023 10: 00
        It’s worth recognizing that in this case, in your comments, you are right, comrade Jew hi
      2. +3
        2 August 2023 10: 09
        Our command structure and hierarchy is very "modern".
  4. +3
    2 August 2023 06: 14
    Tanks still remain one of the main combat vehicles of the battlefield. If only because nothing more suitable has yet been invented. Yes, they have turned into infantry support vehicles, but this is not a sentence for tanks. I am sure that specialists will find the most effective protection methods suitable for installation on a tank. It is clear that it will not work to build up armor, everything is correctly indicated in the article. It is clear that active protection systems must be installed on all serial machines, along with dynamic ones. By the way, the concept of an uninhabited tower, it seems to me, in the conditions of modern databases, is a very good option.
  5. +3
    2 August 2023 06: 16
    Make a reservation of 75mm rolled steel in a circle, you will get HF. Invulnerable... to the 37mm PAK-36 and the 75mm field howitzer, which was a very unpleasant surprise for the Germans in 1941. True, they soon found out that the 88mm anti-aircraft gun pierced the KV in any projection. At the same time, the V-2 diesel engine barely carried such a mass.
    Make a reservation of a 550mm composite (according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90 thickness of the T-90 VLD) in a circle, and not a single motor that fits inside such an armored monster will pull it.
    So there is no getting away from differentiated armor in any foreseeable future. And for protection from the sides, top, and bottom, you will have to look for other means than strong armor.
    1. +3
      2 August 2023 06: 29
      Armor-piercing shells Flak-18/36/37 were the first to test the British Matildas and French Char B-1s on their armor.
    2. -3
      2 August 2023 13: 39
      latest upgrade of T-72B3, T-80BVM, T-90M tanks
      added DZ Relic:
      - fender niche above the front sloth
      - hull sides for the entire length (T-72B3M, T-90M except for the exhaust point)
      - stern of the hull (T-72B3M, T-90M and even on the T-80BVM)
      - tower roof
      - NLD on the T-80BVM over the tank blade
      - the gun mantlet on the T-72B3M and T-80BVM is closed on the side
      - the gun mask on the T-90M is completely closed
      added DZ Cactus:
      - sides of the hull
      - sides and stern of the tower
    3. +3
      2 August 2023 15: 36
      Quote: Nagan
      Make a reservation of 75mm rolled steel in a circle, you will get HF. Invulnerable... to 37mm PAK-36 and 75mm field howitzer

      For campers, yes. But especially for the thick-skinned monsters, according to the experience of the French campaign in the BC, the "mallet" and "cigarette butt" included, respectively, subcalibers and godfather.
      And on gold I took a KV mallet in subcalibers.
      37-mm anti-tank gun PaK.36, sub-caliber:
      75-mm sheet along the normal showed the durability limit of 180 m, the limit of penetration through the 120 m.
      45-mm sheet along the normal showed the limit of the durability of 440 meters, the limit of penetration through the 350 meters, at an angle of 30 degrees from the normal 200 and 150 meters, respectively.
      © D. Shein - results of tests of domestically produced tank armor with captured shells used by German artillery. October-November 1942
      Yes, the distance is almost a pistol. But taking into account the dimensions of the "mallet" and the blindness of our tanks at the beginning of the war, the German anti-tank vehicles had every chance of surviving and knocking out the KV.
      Quote: Nagan
      True, they soon found out that the 88mm anti-aircraft gun pierced the KV in any projection.

      8,8 cm is already an overkill. KV armor made its way from reasonable distances even to the divisional 5-cm PTP PaK-38. And even chamberlains.
      50-mm anti-tank gun PaK.38, ordinary armor-piercing:
      The 75-mm sheet normal showed the back strength limit of 700 m, the through penetration limit of 400 m. That is, starting from a distance of 700 m and closer PaK.38 can penetrate unshielded HF armor, with 400 m it is guaranteed to break through.
      The 45-mm sheet along the normal showed the through penetration limit of 1500 m, at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal 1300 m.
      That is, PaK.38 confidently hits the T-34 in the side and the tower at any real combat distance.

      50-mm anti-tank gun PaK.38, sub-caliber:
      The 75-mm sheet normal showed the back strength of 870 m, the through penetration of 740 m, at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal of 530 and 470 m, respectively.
      The 45-mm sheet along the normal showed the through penetration limit of 1300 m, at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal 700 m.
      © He also
      Actually, that is why the KV-1E appeared. For even before the war, it became clear that 75 mm of armor could not solve the main task of heavy armor protection - invulnerability from ABS of regular divisional anti-tank guns.
      Quote: Nagan
      At the same time, the V-2 diesel engine barely carried such a mass.

      In what he was actively interfered with by the air filter, gearbox and cooling system. smile
      The latter, for example, already at 21 km / h gave out a water temperature of 120 degrees. And the filter at the same time limited the flow of air, and passed dust into the cylinders. Oh yes, it also clogged after 2 hours of march along the country road.
      And as for the mass ... it was free for the designers to consider the suspension and transmission of the future KV under 40 tons of gross weight, and then feed it up to 47-50 tons.
    4. 0
      2 August 2023 19: 10
      Here, not so long ago, on the "large-caliber commotion" channel, they put a solarium canister on the tank and suddenly found out that the cumulative jet could not penetrate it
      1. +1
        3 August 2023 14: 19
        Tales!
        The cumulative jet flies with the third cosmic speed, everything that is on the way is for it a liquid that differs only in density (Lavrentiev's theory).
  6. +6
    2 August 2023 06: 21
    Still on horseback in the 21st century to go into battle with a saber. Soon there will be swarms of drones with AI controlling them, and then tanks will become a thing of the past, autonomous minelayers, autonomous ATVs with a multiply charged shaitan pipe and cheetah robots will run across the battlefield. So far, the limitation for all this is the power supply. So that with the same mass, the drone flew not 15, but 30 km, say. But accumulators are improving every month, and it just so happens that when many scientists dig a topic in one direction, a breakthrough is almost guaranteed. And then the person and everything that protects him, including tanks on the battlefield, will become superfluous
    1. +3
      2 August 2023 06: 46
      Soon there will be swarms of drones with AI controlling them, and then tanks will become a thing of the past, autonomous minelayers, autonomous ATVs with a multiply charged shaitan pipe and cheetah robots will run around the battlefield

      Science fiction writers can come up with something else. Always the primary task of the militant parties was to deprive the enemy troops of control. Alexander the Great rushed to Darius... Milos Obilich kills Murad... Jan Sobieski captured the green banner of Islam, etc. The liquidation of command and control turns the army into a crowd of armed men. Blitzkrieg's tactics included, above all, the liquidation of headquarters and communication centers. Well, the 21st century, with its development of means of communication, made it possible to control the battle in a completely different way, and the destruction of the enemy’s control will make it possible to win. Therefore, electronic warfare comes first in modern combat. All these robots, tanks and drones are crammed with electronics for the most part, and if someone manages to create more advanced methods for eliminating enemy communications, he will be the master on the battlefield.
      1. +4
        2 August 2023 10: 06
        Science fiction writers can come up with something else.

        Well, yes, until the thunder breaks out the general does not cross himself.
  7. +5
    2 August 2023 06: 28
    I watched a video where our T-80 heroically engages in battle with a column of AFU armored vehicles (and emerges victorious), and I didn’t get so much delight as a question: why did a tank go to this column, and not a squadron of Lancets flew out? Why risk the lives of tankers? Just because the LBS does not have a sufficient number of UAVs and operators?
    This is me to the fact that no matter how much you armor a tank, how much you don’t hang it with various types of protection, the future belongs to aerial unmanned means of attack. This must finally be recognized, and all possible resources should be directed towards this direction. If, of course, we want to quickly end the war, and with minimal losses.
    1. -2
      2 August 2023 08: 38
      This question should be asked to full-time propagandists in the media and Internet resources, who continue the mantras about "everything is according to plan ...", "strike was inflicted ...", "high-precision weapons ..."
    2. +8
      2 August 2023 08: 41
      Video, you have been viewed inattentively. Not all enemy equipment there was hit by this particular tank.
      1. 0
        2 August 2023 14: 55
        Sergey Aleksandrovich yes, I know. I didn’t write that the tank hit everything. I mean, it might not turn out as well as it did.
        1. 0
          2 August 2023 15: 32
          Well then, they should understand that the Lancets, their squadron, have a significant flight time at a cruising speed of approximately 150 km / h. And they finished off the enemy column, moreover, in an indefinite way, in a matter of minutes.
          1. +4
            2 August 2023 17: 47
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            And they finished off the enemy column, moreover, in an indefinite way, in a matter of minutes.

            The method, judging by the two videos, was quite definite there: the presence of our tank, barely noticeable because of the forest belt, put the Ukrainian column before a choice - either to crawl head-on onto the tank along the cleared track, or try to bypass it from the flanks along the minefield.
            Ukrainians acted according to a well-known principle Salt - matumba - pennies: first they tried to crawl in the forehead, falling under the fire of a tank and, apparently, artillery (or they successfully gathered in a heap and blew themselves up). And then those who remained on the move tried to bypass the tank across the field. Those who went to the left (view from our tank) harvested mines, those who went to the right also flew from the tank.
    3. +3
      2 August 2023 12: 15
      Why risk the lives of tankers? Just because the LBS does not have a sufficient number of UAVs and operators?

      Usually a feat is correcting someone's mistake. In the audio sequence for this video, they say - Hit with ATGMs, they answered there was only one missile, which is why the crew had to take such risks.
    4. 0
      2 August 2023 14: 21
      Victory will be for those who have both UAVs and tanks. You can't win much with ghouls alone. And the infantry around the tank can be given drone strikers, and if the tank has a radar to detect UAVs and target them on infantry helmets, then what can you do to it.
    5. +2
      2 August 2023 15: 39
      Quote: MBRBS
      I watched a video where our T-80 heroically engages in battle with a column of AFU armored vehicles (and emerges victorious), and I didn’t get so much delight as a question: why did a tank go to this column, and not a squadron of Lancets flew out?

      They wrote that the tank was going to finish off the previously damaged armor - and ended up in the path of the column quite unexpectedly.
    6. The comment was deleted.
  8. Zug
    +13
    2 August 2023 06: 54
    What kind of tanks and strategy are there. My brother, who went to the SVO twice as a sniper, already with his own money, while waiting for the third trip, he bought himself 2 sights (one thermal imager) a laser rangefinder, a wind sensor, bipods, adapters, mounts, a silencer and a bunch of other little things - AT YOUR OWN RESOURCES. Because acres of regular SVD and AK-74 weren’t given him anything from electronics. Plus BAUFENG to have at least some kind of connection. You won’t drag the protection of the tank with you.
  9. +6
    2 August 2023 06: 54
    As a matter of fact, that is why not only in our country, but also in other quite advanced countries of the world, active defense, working on the principle of destroying ammunition flying up to the tank, is treated with some skepticism.


    "With a certain amount of skepticism" the rogues treat active defense, and the advanced countries of the world line up with Rafael for "Meil Ruach" and Taas for "Hetz Dorban".
    1. -1
      2 August 2023 15: 26
      Who's standing in line? And actually there is no other short circuit in the world, it’s easier to buy. And how the trophy will work in the steppes and in the mud under conditions of intensive use and with lancets diving from above with remote detonation is not known for sure
      1. 0
        2 August 2023 15: 42
        Quote from alexoff
        Who's standing in line?

        Americans, British, Germans, Australians, Norwegians

        Quote from alexoff
        And how the trophy will work in the steppes and in the mud under conditions of intensive use and with lancets diving from above with remote detonation is not known for sure

        Customers conduct tests at home before signing the contract, so they seem to be satisfied.
        1. 0
          2 August 2023 19: 17
          Did the Germans sign the contract? So far, only the Americans are betting and quite limited. The Norwegians bought fifty for two lard bucks, the queue is probably short. Perhaps they are aware that the main success of the trophy is that they have to fight with a company of tanks for three fanatics with RPGs, and every second field commander is a traitor. And many do not have such happiness as the Israelis
          1. 0
            3 August 2023 10: 23
            The Germans have ordered the Leopard 2A8, this includes the EuroTrophy. The Americans ordered 400 Trophy kits for the M1A2SEPv3, received and want more, plus an Iron Fist for Bradley - everyone would be so limited.
  10. Eug
    +8
    2 August 2023 06: 57
    As for me, the main feature of the database is the most serious, almost global intelligence of Ukraine at the expense of the West and a very fast and accurate response. Without a decrease in the level of awareness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as for me, NO local protective measures will radically change the situation. However, they are still very necessary.
    1. +4
      2 August 2023 08: 45
      As for me, the main feature of the database is the most serious, almost global intelligence of Ukraine at the expense of the West and a very fast and accurate response. Without a decrease in the level of awareness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as for me, NO local protective measures will radically change the situation. However, they are still very necessary.

      And locally - the blindness of the tank. He must operate with his personal UAV. The Americans have already understood this and have begun to modernize Abramov ..
  11. -1
    2 August 2023 07: 14
    Quote: Last centurion
    then the person and everything that protects him, including tanks on the battlefield, will become superfluous

    The gloomy future of mankind you have drawn. recourse
  12. +2
    2 August 2023 09: 14
    In this regard, it is tempting to once again pay attention to the concept of tanks with equal armor, which will be protected equally from all sides. Nevertheless, the idea is completely divorced from reality and cannot be implemented in practice.
    Well, why not? In practice, there were attempts to implement "ethno"! True, it all ended with prototypes! For example, I recall that the Germans created the "Leopard" with reinforced "roof" armor!
  13. +11
    2 August 2023 09: 18
    It’s funny about tanks, from their very creation they have always suffered from artillery, aviation and mines ... That the battles of the first days of the Second World War, that the Battle of Kursk is excellent proof ... In a few days of fighting, the parties lost thousands of tanks, as now from mines , artillery and aviation ...
    Who could believe that tanks are invulnerable after the first Chechen I xs ...
    The means of destroying tanks have changed little, but the reconnaissance capabilities have stepped up many times over.
    And everyone knew that tanks and any other means of destruction were vulnerable. If you read the military instructions of the Soviet era, how should the offensive be carried out?
    A superiority of forces and means is created that exceeds the enemy by 3 times, and in the breakthrough area by 6-10 times or more, to the entire operational depth (the strategic level should also be present, but we will omit it here), defeats to the enemy in control, communications, heavy weapons, logistics are pumped ( Yes, those same bridges and crossings, railway nodes, so that the enemy could not bring reinforcements in time).
    Up to 90% of heavy equipment and equipment should be knocked out to tactical depth, and at least 50-60% to operational depth. And this is to initially overbalance by 6-10 times ... That is, at a tactical depth, a tank battalion of 40 tanks should attack a maximum of 1 enemy tank, or even a tank brigade of 100 tanks per 1 tank ... And to the operational-tactical depth depth (150 km), this tank battalion should be opposed by no more than 3 tanks (platoon) of the enemy. Well, yes, at least 1 more chilling blow must occur, with comparable forces. And then, the offensive will be successful and with relatively small losses.
    But due to various reasons, primarily social, military-political and geopolitical, logical, capitalist and many others, none of the parties to the conflict can fulfill even the first point - to accumulate an advantage in the offensive sector 3, and in the breakthrough sector an advantage of 6- 10 times ... And without this, it is impossible to inflict sufficient defeat on the enemy to the required depth.
    It is enough to look, the assault on Marik, the assault on Bakhmut are advancing in the minority. The same counter-offensive of the Ukrainians is the same, they are not superior in numbers or in firepower ... As a result, since there is no superiority, there are significant losses ...
    There is one of the best assault operations - the capture of Keniksberg ...
    Over 100k soldiers, over 5k guns, over 2k aircraft...
    For large cities, more soldiers fought than our entire MO combined ...
    And in the NWO - Marik took no more than 10k soldiers with a miserable artillery, and the real work of aviation began only when the Azov people got into the underground ...
    If Marik had taken 80 soldiers with thousands of 3-4 guns, with the support of, say, a couple of bomber regiments and another 5-6 helicopter regiments, everything would have gone quickly too ... And the same Artemovsk ...
    Or there are ukry, in order to break through the defenses, let’s say, near Orekhovo, they must collect at least 1000 howitzers, 300 Heimers, 600 tanks, and 2000 infantry fighting vehicles ... Well, engineering units ... And ammunition in sufficient quantities and air defense systems ...
    But they don't have that much strength... As a result, 2 tanks and 8 infantry fighting vehicles go on the offensive, which are covered with anything...
    But if there were 1000 howitzers and 300 Himers, they would be able to hit all targets throughout the entire depth of defense and our aviation and our lancets would not have time to knock them out ...
    The forces and means of both sides are small and spread out over a huge front, the reserves are small, so there is a positional war, an assault on cities throughout the year and heavy losses on both sides.
    1. +1
      2 August 2023 12: 34
      one thing but as long as you collect 600 tanks, and 2000 infantry fighting vehicles in a bunch, they will be destroyed
  14. +6
    2 August 2023 09: 54
    You won’t believe the author, but even in Iraq, the Americans carried out the Iraqi army mainly with aircraft, and not with tanks. And the "current positional "butting" just stems from the fact that we did not use the full potential of aviation at the beginning of "our", and now, when time has been lost, it is like those notorious crocodiles from a joke and from a cabriolet. Tanks should act in cooperation, and not in isolation on their own.
    1. +2
      2 August 2023 11: 59
      Agree with your comment. What can be added here. This is a clear example when stupid politicians in the military field climb into the command of military operations. Which is exactly what we all saw. Yes, we see.
    2. +5
      2 August 2023 12: 27
      Tanks should act in cooperation, and not in isolation on their own.

      This is hard on the NWO, it seems that there is no general leadership, everyone is fighting on their own. An example with the Alyosha tank. Where were our wonderful, unparalleled Ka-52s? Where are Storms and Chrysanthemums? Where are the ATGMs? Again, they covered up their shortcomings with the feat of the crew of one tank, who defeated a column of armored vehicles with the help of courage and luck. And I would have removed and demoted for this battle, after rewarding the crew, the one who was responsible for this section of the defense of the general, who did not organize interaction with aviation in any way and did not organize anti-tank defense of the defense line.
      1. +3
        2 August 2023 13: 39
        The tank did not destroy all the targets there. The defense was built very professionally. Even without the participation of the tank, half of the equipment would definitely have been destroyed anyway.
        And the fact that no one can say what, besides the tank, they hit the equipment with, is a high level of military skill.
      2. +2
        2 August 2023 14: 15
        There was a connection there, and Arta was active there, and he apparently filmed our UAV and guided Artu, we need to plant the whole country in the Ministry of Defense, every 3, we have a strategist general
      3. 0
        27 October 2023 13: 40
        There are no “Chrysanthemums”, we must admit that it was an expensive, typically ceremonial product with unattainable performance (“Murzilki” about 100 km). It seems that it is no longer needed in this form (except for helicopters); we need to think about carriers of “Lancets” and similar “Harops” ammunition.
    3. +2
      2 August 2023 14: 51
      In Iraq, the Iraqi army twice for the most part scattered itself. And for the first time, the Americans were almost native to them, all the eighties kissed on the gums, there must have been a train of agents there. The Americans put up many times more planes than we have in total. And the database area is much smaller.
  15. +2
    2 August 2023 10: 00
    Simply because the armor in its current implementation


    Here it should be clarified that we are talking about armor developed from the 70-80s, and often just built at the same time, and sometimes even in more ancient times.

    Otherwise, the full combat effectiveness of tanks in the future is out of the question.


    T-54/55, 70 years old and the trunk is like a young one.
  16. +1
    2 August 2023 10: 36
    Reasoning about the difficulties with increasing the reservation comes from the current, traditional design of the tank, with the same traditional crew composition. If the tank is redesigned for the task of increasing the armor and, in general, its survivability, you will get another vehicle on which it will be possible to implement a lot. Reducing the crew, abandoning the usual gun and turret, adding modules to the design - all this frees up space for classic multi-layer armor.
    KAZs do not solve the main problem - the ability of the tank to withstand non-episodic saturated fire impact. Without this ability, its role as an armored fist is reduced, and we now see that the means of such influence are evolving further.
  17. +3
    2 August 2023 11: 51
    Great article. I subscribe to every word. hi I agree with the author completely. The future of armored forces. This is a modern complex of active protection. Without her ..... trouble.
  18. +3
    2 August 2023 12: 08
    Not everything is clear. There is a place for tanks in battle and they play a huge role in battles. And the fact that they are hit by quadrocopters and other aircraft is a matter of time, a bunch of weapons will be created to fight UAVs, electronic warfare, anti-drone guns, electromagnetic projectiles will be made to burn out electronics when they break near the UAV, the sky will be closed that it will not take off, but everything will fall.
  19. +2
    2 August 2023 16: 16
    The article interested me because I am an old soldier. But I am not a specialist in tanks, although this area is close to me. I would say that I used to be a good logistics specialist. Thanks for the content of the article. I was waiting for colleagues to discuss, but then I was disappointed and confused. Discussions that I like are marked with a minus sign. So don't you agree? I am also sorry, because I agree with the conclusions of my colleagues, I closely follow the course of the campaign and speak in our press, and there are more of us who realize that Russia cannot and will not lose the war. For me, it is always a cure for narvi to read Russian teak, a newspaper and a discussion. Thank you for making this possible.
  20. 0
    2 August 2023 16: 42
    VNII Steel has never been shy about evaluating the effectiveness of its products.
  21. +1
    2 August 2023 18: 47
    Quote: V.
    Zyuganov's son

    Does anyone here imagine what Zyuganov's son looks like??? Absolute zero, emptiness - that's what Zyuganov's son is for 99,9% of the Russian population.
    1. 0
      2 August 2023 21: 41
      Hmm .. whoever Zyuganov's son is, as soon as this type is used as a kind of "brand", then I would note that Zyuganov himself is a character who drained 36% of electoral support to 12 or 15%, lowered the Communist Party of the Russian Federation from the Duma majority to the current values. Success, yes.
      If this skill is inherited, then God forbid.
  22. -1
    2 August 2023 22: 53
    Aerosol munition launchers and UV sensors on the T-14 Armata
    And who is this ultraviolet dabbles?
  23. 0
    3 August 2023 01: 42
    In 2 years, drones will mainly fight in Ukraine. Air, land and water. Perhaps cross-environment drones will already appear. The participation of a person or large equipment in hostilities will be guaranteed to lead to their rapid defeat. Modern drones are the beginning of the path of necroevolution on earth
  24. +1
    3 August 2023 12: 02
    Everything that is written in the article, I learned at the military department in 2000-2001. 22 years have passed, of which 1,5 years of active hostilities involving tanks...
    It makes me want to ask: so what?