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The revival of the spirit of the Russian army? Poll

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Do I need to revive the names of the most famous military units of the past?

Yes, it is necessary - 1330 (85.53%)
85.53%
No, this is superfluous - 138 (8.87%)
8.87%
I can not give a definite answer - 87 (5.59%)
5.59%
The revival of the spirit of the Russian army? Poll
Review of the Semenov regiment on Senatskaya Square. Xnumx


On December 12, 2012, Russian President Vladimir Putin, in his Address to the Federal Assembly, declared that in order to revive national consciousness, it is necessary to bind together historical era and return to understanding the truth that Russia did not begin in 1917 and not even in 1991, that "we have a single, inextricable thousand-year history, based on which we gain internal strength and the meaning of national development." Along with the revival of the historical memory of the Second World War (World War I), Putin proposed "to revive the names of the most illustrious regiments, military units, formations of past eras, and the Soviet and later eras, such units as Preobrazhensky, Semenovsky regiments" . The Ministry of Defense has been instructed to consider this issue.

It should be noted that a few years ago, the movement “People’s Council” sent an appeal to the President “On the reconstruction of the oldest guards regiments of the Russian army - Preobrazhensky, Semenovsky and Izmaylovsky”. The proposal was quite logical, given the fact that the Soviet military traditions were largely destroyed, and the royal traditions were forgotten. The Russian Defense Ministry responded that at the present time there is no legal and factual continuity of the military units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to the regiments of the Russian pre-revolutionary army. According to the bureaucrats of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, it turned out that the current Russian army has nothing to do with the Russian army, which became famous under Poltava, Rymnik, Kunersdorf, the Battle of Borodino and the defense of Sevastopol. This approach is very similar to the principles of Russian liberals, who regularly repeat that today's Russia has no historical continuity even with the Soviet Union, not to mention the Russian kingdom or the Russian Empire. According to them, the current Russia and its army were created from scratch in 1991 by the efforts of the gentlemen Yeltsin and Grachev.

In addition, the military department reported that the transfer and conferment of honorary titles of disbanded military units, in the absence of direct continuity, will not contribute to the development of military traditions and instilling in military personnel a sense of military duty and pride in their military unit. An interesting fact is that Putin, in his speech, said the opposite. We are once again seeing a kind of “political schizophrenia” in the ranks of the Russian ruling class. After all, “Serdyukovskaya” military reform was originally aimed at the almost complete destruction of the Soviet military traditions, which were incompatible with the very idea of ​​the army of the Eurasian spread, practical, modern and small. Officials once again followed the example of the West, creating a kind of modern punitive expeditionary corps (in the Russian sense, the army is a constantly armed part of the people, sharpened to protect it). In particular, this is why, in the course of the reform, many military units, including the Guards Kantemirovsky and Tamansky divisions, lost their historical names.

Putin's proposal has caused a variety of responses. According to some, the proposal to restore the names of the most illustrious parts of past eras gives the window dressing. And with the implementation of this idea, we will get the situation “we wanted the best, but it turned out as always,” that is, not real combat units will be created, but a kind of “amusing regiments”.

In addition, a lot of related questions arise. What other famous units will be rebuilt? Izmailovsky regiment? Lithuanian regiment? Absheron 81st Infantry Regiment? Caucasian native "Wild Division"? Kornilov shock regiment? 1st Officer General Markov Regiment? It will be even more difficult with Soviet formations - during the Great Patriotic War, the rank of Guards was awarded to 11 combined-arms armies, 6 tank armies, 68 rifle, cavalry, tank and mechanized corps, 117 rifle divisions, 53 aviation divisions, etc. The question is how these formations will be built into the existing structure of the troops?

The former head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, the Army General of the Reserve and a member of the military council of the Defense Ministry with an advisory voice, Yury Baluyevsky, in an interview with Izvestia, stated that the internal troops of the Interior Ministry should become their base for the Semyonovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments. According to the general, after the reform of Serdyukov, there are simply no worthy names in the Ministry of Defense. Thus, in the course of the reform of Serdyukov, there were simply no regiments left in the army, the army switched to a three-unit control system: the operational command — the brigade — battalion. Recently it turned out that the combat capability of the brigades was in doubt, since in them a serious lack of personnel, they started talking about battalion tactical groups. Divisions and regiments were retained only in the Airborne Forces of the Ministry of Defense and the Interior Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. From a formal point of view, only for them it is not necessary to make exceptions, once again establishing divisions and regiments.

Former Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR, Chairman of the All-Russian Armed Forces Veterans Organization under Viktor Yermakov said that the newly formed regiments should be based in St. Petersburg, since their historical predecessors in Moscow were only established, and then 200 years were located in the capital of the Russian Empire. On the Senate Square (Dekabristov Square), on the one hand, the former barracks of the Semenov regiment, on the other - the Transfiguration. Yermakov even suggested units that could be renamed: the Defense Center training center (in the suburb of Sertolovo) and the 138-I motorized rifle brigade (in the village of Kamenka near Vyborg).

The commander of the airborne troops, Lieutenant-General Vladimir Shamanov, in an interview with Izvestia, was modest and said that if given an indication, it would be considered in order to determine which units are most worthy of wearing historical names. According to him, not only the Airborne Forces have decent units, but also motorized riflemen, sailors and pilots. In the Airborne Forces managed to keep the division, continuity.

Vasily Panchenkov, head of the press service of the Internal Troops, was also taken aback in his statements: “We are transfigurations only in this sense, and also that we protect traditions”. It was in the Internal Troops that the memory of Felix Dzerzhinsky was preserved, the Separate Orders of Lenin and the October Revolution were associated with him. The Red Banner Operational Division of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia (before 1994, the unit was called the Separate Orders of Lenin and the October Revolution. ).

Back in 1992, the idea was to restore the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments on the basis of the Dzerzhinsky division and to place the historical barracks between the Preobrazhenskaya Square and Semenovskaya metro stations as their base. However, due to the fact that difficulties arose with the release of buildings that were occupied by various government agencies, the idea was not implemented.

President of the Academy of Military Sciences Makhmut Gareyev told RIA Newsthat the honorary title of the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments should receive the most distinguished in recent years, the formation of the Russian army. In his opinion, it is possible to create famous regiments on the basis of the former 4-th Guards Kantemirovsky tank division (now 4-I Separate Tank Brigade) and 2-th Guards Taman Motorized Rifle Division (modern 5-I separate Guards motorized rifle brigade).

Expressed his opinion and the chief editor of the newspaper "Cadet brotherhood" Alexander Salikhov. According to him, it is necessary to create the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation "absolutely from scratch", from the traditions laid down by Peter the Great, to conduct the most severe, exemplary selection in such regiments. The expert also reported on the need to take into account the traditions of the Soviet Guard, created in 1941 year.

True, it is worth noting that the expert forgot, or was silent about the fact that during the reign of Peter I, the guard was replenished mainly by noblemen. Who to pick in the new shelves now? "Golden youth" of St. Petersburg and Moscow? It is worth remembering that in the Semenovsky regiment only blondes were selected, in the Preobrazhensky - the highest and fair-haired, in the Izmailovsky - brunetov, in the Moscow regiment - red, etc.

History reference. Lifeguard Preobrazhensky His Majesty's regiment. He is one of the oldest (the Butyrsky regiment and the 1642 th Moscow Elective Soldier Regiment, the future Lefortovo Regiment) and one of the most elite regiments of the Russian Empire are considered to be the oldest. The beginning of its existence was laid in 2, when Tsar Peter Alekseevich of "amicable" ("Petrov regiment"), who were located in the village of Preobrazhensky, formed a military unit. In 1691-1695 The regiment received baptism of fire - participated in the Azov campaigns. In the 1696 year, the regiment received the 1698-x battalion composition, each battalion had 4 fusier (musketeer) companies; besides, the regiment had more bombing and grenadier companies. In 4, the name was given to the Life Guards Preobrazhensky Regiment. The regiment took part in all the main battles of the Russian-Swedish war 1700-1700, in the Prut campaign 1721 and the Persian campaign 1711-1722. Subsequently, the regiment participated in the most significant military conflicts: the Russian-Turkish war 1723-1735, the Russian-Swedish war 1739-1741, the Russian-Swedish war 1743 — 1788, in the wars with Napoleon France, in the Russian-Swedish the 1790-1808 war, the World War 1809 of the year and the foreign campaign of the Russian army. The regiment was noted during the palace coups, participating in the enthronement of Elizabeth Petrovna. The Transfigurations fought in the 1812 Russian-Turkish wars of the century, the Poles revolted in the 19 and 1830 years. The soldiers of the regiment fought bravely on the fields of the First World War (Second World War). One of the companies of the reserve battalion of the Preobrazhensky regiment took part in the February revolution. In 1863, the Soviet authorities disbanded a part. However, part of the regiment took part in the Civil War. As part of the white troops in the south of Russia, a company of Transfigurations fought in the 1918-I-Artillery Regiment, another company was part of the Artillery-Guards Battalion. For comparison, just in the First World War, the 1 officer-transfiguration died, and in the Civil War, the 42 officers of the Preobrazhensky regiment were killed.

Life Guards Semenov regiment. The Semenov regiment was formed at the same time as Preobrazhensky, and its base was “amusing”. The regiment received baptism in the Azov campaigns, took part in a number of important operations of the Northern War: the battle of Narva (1700); taking Noteburg (1702); boarding Swedish ships on the river. Neve (1703); the seizure of Narva and Ivangorod (1704); capture of Mitavy (1705); battle at Forest (1708); Battle of Poltava (1709); capture of Vyborg (1710). During the battle of Narva, the Semenovites got the right to wear red stockings: in memory of the fact that “they were knee-deep in blood in this battle”. The regiment participated in the Prut campaign (1711); sea ​​battle at Gangut; sea ​​cruises in the Baltic Sea (1715-1720). One of the battalions of the regiment participated in the Persian campaign of Peter. Subsequently, the regiment took part in a number of Russian-Turkish wars. So, in 1737, the Semenovs took Ochakov by storm. The Semenov regiment fought with the French troops in the campaigns 1805-1807. In the battle of Borodino, the Semenovs participated in repelling the attacks of the French cavalry against the center of the Russian position. In the campaign 1813, they fought at Lutzen, Bautzen, Kulm and in the “Battle of the Nations” at Leipzig. The regiment reached Paris in the 1814 campaign of the year. In 1820, the regiment became famous for its “uprising” (the so-called “Semyonovskaya Story”) caused by the mistakes of the regiment commander Gregory Schwartz. One of her mouths refused to follow orders. She was sent at full strength to the Peter and Paul Fortress. The soldiers did not resist. Other companies decided to support their comrades and demanded the release of the company or send the entire regiment to the fortress. The whole regiment was sent to the fortress, there was no resistance. As a result, part of the Semenovites were subjected to corporal punishment, were sent to penal servitude, the majority were transferred to various army units. Of the officers and lower ranks of the 1, 2 and 3 grenadier divisions, a new Semenov regiment was formed, he received the rights of the young guard. In 1823, the rights of the Old Guard were restored. In 1825, the Semenovtsi took part in suppressing the Decembrist uprising.

Then the regiment fought in the Russian-Turkish war 1828-1829, in the suppression of the Polish uprising of the year 1831 and the storming of Warsaw. In 1863, the Semenov regiment fought with the Polish rebels, 1877-1878. - with the Turks. In 1905, the regiment was noted for suppressing the December uprising in Moscow. After the outbreak of the First World War, the best forces of the regiment were sent to the front, and only the reserve battalions, which were training the recruits, remained in the rear. At the front, the Semenov regiment was always at the forefront of the attack in the offensive, and covered the rear during the withdrawal. As a result, already in 1915, the regiment had to be withdrawn for redeployment, due to high losses in battles. Due to the demobilization and the collapse of the army, by the end of 1917, the main combat unit of the regiment had almost completely disappeared. But in the Petrograd district of the reserve battalion was deployed 3-battalion guard Semenov reserve regiment. Later it was renamed the Xrnumx Regiment for the Protection of Petrograd named after Uritsky, and after the Brest Peace Treaty, into the 3th Infantry Regiment of the 3 th Petrograd Special Forces Brigade. In the 2 year, during the offensive units Yudenich, part of the regiment moved to the side of the whites. In addition, part of the Semenovtsy fought on the side of the White movement and on the Southern front of the Civil War as part of the 1919-nd Artillery Regiment of the Volunteer Army of Denikin.

Nicholas II lays a brick in the wall of the newly built barracks of the Semenov regiment


A group of officers of the Semenov regiment with the regimental commander Major General Svita of His Majesty Yevgeny Novitsky (sitting in the 3 series in his cap) and the Grand Duke Boris Vladimirovich. Xnumx


Transfiguration, who carried guard duty in the Tauride Palace 1917 year


Transfigurations on vacation between battles, 1914-17
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  1. Sarus
    Sarus 17 December 2012 08: 03
    +19
    You must remember and honor your story.
    My opinion is a good initiative.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 08: 43
      +22
      Quote: Sarus

      You must remember and honor your story.

      I remember Putin gave an interview in which he said, The time of the Preobrazhensky and Geogiev regiments has passed. Here on the website, I and others said that the time for these regiments would come. Really, the "chief" began to read our comments. It is high time to remember our own history and honor it.
      1. Armata
        Armata 17 December 2012 09: 36
        +16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Omni Putin gave an interview in which he said, The time of the Preobrazhensky and Geogiev regiments has passed.
        Welcome all. But I think that during the USSR, their traditions have developed and there is no need to revive what has long sunk into the summer. It is necessary to remember, but not to revive. And who will be renamed to whom? What should the 106 Guards Airborne Division be renamed into Preobrazhenskaya? In my opinion this is stupid.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 09: 43
          +11
          Quote: Mechanic
          What should the 106th Guards Airborne Division be renamed into Preobrazhenskaya? In my opinion this is stupid.

          Hi Zhenya, why touch 106, we were promised new teams, so let the names be appropriate. hi
          1. Armata
            Armata 17 December 2012 09: 47
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            we were promised new brigades, so let the names be appropriate.
            Hi Sanya. GY naivety is not a vice. What they just did not promise us. It used to be communism by the year 2000, then everyone in the apartment by the same year. Now the dates are transferred to 2020. But there are fewer promises, it will soon be time to write the full composition of the promises of the GDP and each minister separately. But rename it easily. Count what a rich field for cutting funds.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 09: 57
              +3
              Quote: Mechanic
              . But rename it easily. Count what a rich field for cutting funds.

              but it’s not a matter of drinking, it’s not being stolen here, it’s in a different place. Maybe young people going to the army will begin to be interested in history. Today ask the young man, about Lenin, Nikolai, Peter, you’ll hear something that I’ve never heard before in my life belay Our units were not named by numbers, but by the names of the unit commanders. Cherpakov-Cherpakovskaya, Volobuev-Volobuevskaya. That was during my service. So the names are needed.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 17 December 2012 12: 07
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                .Maybe youth going to the army will become interested in history

                Sasha, you know very well that the story depends on who writes it and who presents it. You need to start not with the army, when the kid is already 18, but with the first grade of the school, when everything that later is called a person or something begins to take shape .
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 17 December 2012 10: 01
              +6
              Well, about apartments, the Union did its best and to some extent I personally have no complaints, but I have a young family for Russia and the program, it’s not possible to buy an apartment now without being enslaved ...
          2. military
            military 18 December 2012 12: 53
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            we were promised new brigades, so let the names be appropriate.

            hi just, what are "appropriate"? ... request
            stick historical names life guards regiments with a centuries-old history of newly created formations from scratch? ... It's a simple matter, but what is the meaning of this sacred rite? ... remember the "nostalgic" Cossacks ... why produce cartoons? ... request
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 17 December 2012 09: 59
          +4
          I absolutely agree with you. It is necessary to remember and honor the whole story ... And do not forget the Soviet one, otherwise we will completely erase 70 years of our history so soon ...
        3. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 17 December 2012 10: 08
          +5
          There are losses of yesterday. It is necessary to revive the army. Guards Taman and Kantemirovsk divisions, those units and formations that were destroyed or castrated by the hand of the "reformer". The title of Preobrazhensky or Semyonovsky should be received by worthy units of our glorious mother of the infantry, and not close to the tsarist regiments. There is enough one "amusing" presidential (former Kremlin 9th Main Directorate of the KGB of the USSR) regiment in full dress from the "beast".
          1. knn54
            knn54 17 December 2012 16: 18
            +1
            I completely agree. Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments became more famous for their participation in palace coups.
        4. leon-iv
          leon-iv 17 December 2012 15: 05
          0
          There is no stupidity
          Here we love to praise WWII commanders
          But forget about the huge layer of our history, I’ll notice no less great and tragic as the 20th century. And in the renaming I do not see anything bad.
        5. butch
          butch 18 December 2012 00: 05
          +1
          We must create!
        6. vyatom
          vyatom 18 December 2012 12: 47
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          What should the 106th Guards Airborne Division be renamed into Preobrazhenskaya? In my opinion this is stupid.


          That's it - stupidity
        7. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 18 December 2012 21: 10
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          And who will be renamed to whom? What should the 106 Guards Airborne Division be renamed into Preobrazhenskaya? In my opinion this is stupid.

          I support the GDP initiative! This is not stupid! MEMORY should never sink in Summer! The best must be revived! Not only the traditions of the military units of the Republic of Ingushetia, but also the Soviet ones! This will be a clear example of the continuity of generations and eras! The best should be in the memory of the RUSSIAN people !!!! Our army should not be like the western one, where they fight for money! Our army has always fought for the idea. There must be an individual approach to the formation of the army. some parts should be exclusively personnel (the so-called professional), some of mixed composition, and some on the basis of conscription!

          Quote: Mechanic
          And who will be renamed to whom? What should the 106 Guards Airborne Division be renamed into Preobrazhenskaya? In my opinion this is stupid.

          I support the GDP initiative! This is not stupid! MEMORY should never sink in Summer! The best must be revived! Not only the traditions of the military units of the Republic of Ingushetia, but also the Soviet ones! This will be a clear example of the continuity of generations and eras! The best should be in the memory of the RUSSIAN people !!!! Our army should not be like the western one, where they fight for money! Our army has always fought for the idea. An army should be approached. some parts should be exclusively personnel (the so-called professional), some mixed composition, and some on the basis of appeal!
          1. Armata
            Armata 18 December 2012 21: 20
            +1
            Quote: Azzzwer
            I support the GDP initiative! This is not stupid! MEMORY should never sink in Summer! The best must be revived! Not only the traditions of the military units of the Republic of Ingushetia, but also the Soviet ones! This will be a clear example of the continuity of generations and eras! The best should be in the memory of the RUSSIAN people !!!! Our army should not be like the western one, where they fight for money! Our army has always fought for the idea. There must be an individual approach to the formation of the army. some parts should be exclusively personnel (the so-called professional), some of mixed composition, and some on the basis of conscription!
            A lot of text, but I did not understand the meaning. Answer simple questions. How much does it cost to rename divisions (for example, Kantimirovskaya to Preobrazhenskaya)? Will officers agree to surrender the divisional banners that their grandfathers deserved with blood during WWII? Nakoy us Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments, or what again to the amusing army to please the sovereign forward? And in general, Summer is a river of death and only a bright memory remains from the past, why should we reincarnate if not for the joy of pseudo-patriots?
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 17 December 2012 12: 36
        +4
        Alexander Romanov,

        Sasha, I agree, one must remember and honor one’s own history and revive traditions. But there are many difficulties. Just to take and assign the name of the famous regiments, even to worthy units, this is not yet a revival of the spirit of the Russian army. Without historical and ideological justification, this will be another populism and an occasion for ridicule of our enemies. You can of course conduct a substantive discussion about the Ground Forces and especially the Navy (by the way, here I think nothing prevents the revival of the Guards crews, and the names of the ships and submarines can be assigned historical). And what about the Air Force, Air Defense, Strategic Rocket Forces, East Kazakhstan region? After all, the traditions of these troops come exclusively from Soviet times. How to be here? After all, the Fighting Path of the unit and continuity, as well as honorary names and, most importantly, the Fighting Banner of the unit cannot be altered just like that. For example 54th Guards Order of Kutuzov Strategic Missile Forces Missile Division was formed on June 25, 1960 on the basis of the 27th separate guards cannon artillery brigade, leading its history from October 15, 1943 and which was part of the 8th cannon division of the reserve of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the 197th rocket engineering brigade was formed with deployment of the brigade management in the city of Teykovo, Ivanovo Region. On June 25, 1961, the 197th rocket engineering brigade was reorganized into the Kutuzov Guards Missile Order of the second degree division with a place of deployment in the city of Teykovo, Ivanovo Region ..
        Therefore, more inclined to such an idea is not rename shelves and connections and establish a register of HONORARY NAMES, where to include all our historical guard regiments and assign these names together with the corresponding STANDARD (Banner) to the most worthy and distinguished regiments, divisions and brigades.
        Again as an example

        2nd Guards Taman Order of the October Revolution Red Banner Order of Suvorov Motorized Rifle Brigade named after the Preobrazhensky Regiment.or .... motorized rifle Preobrazhensky brigade
        I think it will be more correct and more reasonable.
        1. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 18 December 2012 21: 20
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          2 I Taman Guards Order of the October Revolution Red Banner Order of Suvorov Motorized Rifle Brigade named after the Preobrazhensky Regiment. Or .... Motorized Rifle Preobrazhensky Brigade
          I think it will be more correct and more reasonable.
          those. Do you offer to combine water with oil? This is such a V.I. Lenin in his mausoleum will surely rise from the grave! No, you must recreate the regiments of the Old Guard from scratch! Moreover, they must be formed on a draft basis!
      3. vyatom
        vyatom 18 December 2012 12: 46
        +1
        And where to recruit people to these regiments? And by what principle?
        It was possible on a territorial basis: Yaroslavsky, Novgorod, etc.
    2. rennim
      rennim 17 December 2012 09: 45
      +2
      I must say that a few years ago the People’s Cathedral movement sent the president an appeal "On the reconstruction of the oldest guard regiments of the Russian army - Preobrazhensky, Semenovsky and Izmailovsky." The proposal was quite logical, given the fact that Soviet military traditions were largely destroyed, and the tsarist ones were forgotten. The Russian Ministry of Defense replied that at present there is no legal and actual substantiated continuity of military units of the Russian Armed Forces to the regiments of the Russian pre-revolutionary army.

      There is a law in the army ... If there is a banner of a unit, it means that the unit will be again ... If the banner is lost, then the unit will disband with disgrace.

      As you know, the banners of all the famous regiments are available ... So what's the problem. We should not forget about glorious Soviet regiments and brigades ...
    3. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 17 December 2012 21: 58
      0
      Quote: Sarus
      My opinion is a good initiative.

      The initiative is just wonderful.
      I especially liked the author’s statement about the revival of the Lithuanian regiment. To revive and determine his deployment in Karelia and call the regimental headquarters a Lithuanian order laughing ...
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 17 December 2012 08: 23
    +4
    Our grandfathers are glorious victories!
    Of course, we must honor the memory and traditions of the famous military units and formations.
    I am behind two hands.
  3. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 17 December 2012 08: 27
    +9
    Break-not build. For starters, we would revive the traditions of the relatively recent past. Until it's not too late. And then: "After Serdyukov's reform, the Defense Ministry simply has no formations worthy of the big name."... For this "act" alone, Serdyukov's entire team should be put on trial for high treason. I'm afraid the officials will quickly report by "creating", as it were, "funny shelves."
    1. Roman A
      Roman A 17 December 2012 10: 16
      +1
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Only for this one "act" the entire team of Serdyukov should be put on trial for high treason

      It definitely came, I saw everywhere, I thrust my sting am
      Former Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR, Chairman of the All-Russian Organization of Armed Forces Veterans under Viktor Yermakov, said that the newly formed regiments should be based in St. Petersburg,
      But this is nonsense. To restore the regiment, to give a glorious name and put a high rank in the museum for glass, you need to confirm
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 17 December 2012 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Only for this one "act" the whole team of Serdyukov should be put on trial

      Serdyukov was directly subordinate to the prime minister, the Ministry of Defense was too serious a organization to let it drift.
      What happened in the Defense Ministry is probably the failed experiment of Putin from which he now wants to disown.
  4. terp 50
    terp 50 17 December 2012 08: 39
    +4
    ... names to revive - not a question, SPIRIT would revive
    1. Ross
      Ross 17 December 2012 09: 47
      0
      terp 50,
      Oh yeah! Thanks for the comment, got ahead.
  5. slav4ikus
    slav4ikus 17 December 2012 08: 41
    +2
    or create a woman’s battalion and go into battle! and you know who to type from)
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 17 December 2012 09: 12
      +1
      Quote: slav4ikus


      If you are talking about those .... th from the Serdyukovsky harem, then only in the penalty company, and put in the rear a detachment! winked
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 17 December 2012 10: 01
        +5
        Of course, to revive is to revive.
        Can be revived - female death squads, M.L. Bochkareva was at one time. Let now Vasilyeva serve in a similar - ordinary.
        ...
        The idea is good.
        We have all the ideas - good ones.
        Execution - out of the ordinary.
        Taman and Kantemirov divisions - should they be renamed? In Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky?
        Does not fit with one another.
        ...
        Of course they will. Of course - rename.
        Only then you need to start first of all - with the Ambassador Regiment named after Bobrok Volynsky.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 17 December 2012 11: 53
          +2
          Quote: Igarr
          Only then you need to start first of all - with the Ambassador Regiment named after Bobrok Volynsky.

          The FSB or the Investigative Committee must be renamed into the ambush regiment named after Bobrok Volynsky. laughing .And everything will be fine. wassat
  6. Bubo
    Bubo 17 December 2012 08: 52
    +3
    The initiative is interesting, good. There are very big concerns with implementation.
  7. Bigriver
    Bigriver 17 December 2012 08: 54
    +9
    The initiative is correct, put FOR. And having thought .., after all, again, bastards, they will screw up everything: //
    We would start with the fact that it’s easier - with putting things in order in rewarding with state awards: orders and medals.
    Well, damn it, I had to think of the order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called (Higher Order of the Republic of Russia and the Russian Federation) to give Gorbachev !!!
    From the statute:
    “Outstanding state and public figures and other citizens of the Russian Federation are awarded for exceptional services contributing to the prosperity, greatness and glory of Russia. " The motto of the Order “For Faith and Fidelity is preserved without change.”"
    Everything mixed up: meanness, fidelity, honor and filth. Where is the top, where is the bottom?
    Half of our pops are order bearers.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 17 December 2012 10: 32
      +4
      Unfortunately, you are right. People receive high state awards, we do not understand "why?" like Gorbachev, vulgar arrogant combers from "pop", half-voiced (and more often voiceless) "veneers" who "patriotically" break such ticket prices and sweep such fees and show off as if the whole world is in their pocket, and the iconostasis of awards, any field marshal of the 1st World War will envy.
  8. baltika-18
    baltika-18 17 December 2012 08: 58
    +11
    In my opinion, another nonsense. There are enough problems in the army and society. They need to be resolved. The essence of a regiment will not change because of this. It will not become more ready for military operations. When the atmosphere of theft reigns in society, it rules. the ideology of money and permissiveness, when, in principle, nothing changes, any attempts of this kind will result only in show and mockery of the past. Preobrazhensky, Semyonovsky, etc.-imperial guards regiments. Do we have that Vova aspires to the role of emperor? I am also suspicious of the initiatives of the People's Council, advocating a "natural" aristocracy.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 17 December 2012 09: 24
      +1
      baltika-18,
      I do not agree Nikolay! what
      Now, after all, what is important for a Russian person is to stop feeling like a slave, to learn to be proud of his ancestors, to learn to respect himself and his nation.
      And the revival of military traditions, the Russian spirit, what Russia has always been proud of
      this is exactly where to start!
      We have nothing more to be proud of, in my opinion!
      Not the largest number of billionaires on the planet! Yes, even a dubious nation and reputation. recourse
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 17 December 2012 10: 07
        +4
        And I would love to look at the heels of, say, "Wild" divisions.
        Here without .. jokes.
        Specifically, to call it that way - "Wild" №1, Wild №2. Call there - the natives of the Caucasus (well, who wants, of course).
        The tasks are to determine - actions to suppress extremist-terrorist actions ... all over the world. Especially in America.
        After the actions of such divisions - downs in America will quickly unlearn .. shoot at children.
        1. He is
          He is 17 December 2012 20: 41
          0
          I agree with Igarr, such an idea has been visiting me for a long time. So many pluses! They would organize something like the NWR, otherwise they don’t know how to solve the employment problem of the whole region without demographic problems ...
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 December 2012 10: 11
        +2
        Quote: sergo0000
        We have nothing more to be proud of, in my opinion!

        We have something to be proud of. I am proud that I was born and raised on earth "with a short name Rus". And in order for everyone to be proud, it is simply not necessary for those in power to make of the people "poor in mind and spirit" an uneducated flock.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 17 December 2012 13: 39
          +2
          baltika-18,
          So the fact of the matter is that in modern Russia with Fursenovskaya "guessing" this case is half-solved!
  9. igordok
    igordok 17 December 2012 09: 12
    +2
    Regarding the question, most likely it is not necessary.
    A bit off topic. On what basis were the "geographical" names of the regiments in the tsarist army assigned?
    For example, in Pskov were housed Irkutsk 93 Infantry, Yenisei 94th Infantry Regiment, Omsk 96th Infantry Regiment, which visited their "homeland" only in the Japanese war.
    1. valerei
      valerei 17 December 2012 11: 49
      +2
      By the way, our 108th Saratov Infantry Regiment never formed in Saratov, didn’t have a single company from Saratov, and did not even lodge in Saratov. Reference: Regimental March 108th, Saratov Infantry Regiment - one of the best! But I never even found a mention of the composer of this march.
      As for the spirit of the Russian army, it all starts with a military school. What will be the officer of the Russian army - such will be the soldier and, accordingly, the spirit of the Russian army. And the realities of our military and civilian life can so reduce this very spirit that ... Our, Russian soldier has always fought not for money, but for Russia! And now? For which Russia does not spare your life? I will not repeat myself, everyone knows everything.
  10. rennim
    rennim 17 December 2012 09: 29
    +4
    The spirit of the revival of the Russian army will arise in the hearts only when there will be a revival of the whole state and people as a whole ... In the meantime, we hear the chatter of the leaders and the construction of 3 mosques in Moscow ...
  11. Delink
    Delink 17 December 2012 09: 43
    +2
    Without the Spirit there is no army. We must remember history, honor the memory of all who fought, had a heartache for Russia.
    Lifting up is a must
  12. Magadan
    Magadan 17 December 2012 10: 51
    0
    Well, what can I say .... Either Putin will start cleaning the liberoid peel, these shit-crap-"Ivanov do not remember kinship," or we ourselves will start cleaning them.
    All this Caudle of the "new elite" is already fed up with it. Since Putin is on the same wavelength with the people in this matter (judging by his speech), it means that all these clever people, that they do not want to know our glorious past, must be shoved between a rock and a hard place. Where the hammer is the President, and the anvil is the people.
    It would be better to act somewhere illiberal in this matter, until the general irritation turned into a "senseless and merciless rebellion."
    All who stand at the helm of the Army immediately drive through the lie detector. Identify traitors. Shoot. If there is no article for insanity and sabotage, then imprisonment, for example, for drugs.
    Where do these liberoids still have so much power and opportunity ????
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 December 2012 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: Magadan
      Where do these liberoids still have so much power and opportunity ??

      And you do not know the answer to this question? FROM PUTIN, FROM HIS BIRTH.
  13. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 17 December 2012 10: 52
    +5
    Unfortunately, the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments remained in the now distant history - and let good memory just remain about them!
  14. radio operator
    radio operator 17 December 2012 10: 54
    +1
    Only remembering our story do we have a future.
    1. Sanches
      Sanches 17 December 2012 11: 13
      +1
      or, as J. Santayana said, "whoever does not remember the past is doomed to repeat it." If we return to where we started, it means that we do not remember it very well. In geography, they returned to the XNUMXth century, in economics - in the pre-revolutionary era. It remains only to return all the old names and symbols for complete identification
  15. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 17 December 2012 10: 55
    +6
    According to the vote, the answer is of course “YES”.

    But why do I have the feeling that we are again fooled?
    Why did the authorities start talking about the revival of national consciousness ..., the connection of eras ..., the return of the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments ...
    Maybe the authorities urgently needed to strengthen their authority in the army field in the light of the destructive actions of the stool and the gang of its henchmen?
    Why not ? So, you look and divert attention to a new topic, and show that they care and think about the national consciousness and the army spirit. The revival of the legendary regiments is a very significant topic, political dividends can be very well earned in the piggy bank and strengthen your authority ... The time was chosen successfully.
    So there is a feeling that in the end they will create some kind of parody, and not real Guards regiments ...

    But what about the freshly destroyed? But Kantemirovka and Tamani do not need to return their names?

    A lot of screaming about the continuity of generations ... Is it possible to achieve it only by calling two regiments deserved, legendary names? And the continuity itself, when will heal and revive?
    At the moment, after the Stool reform, several generations of officers have been washed in the army. Dismissed a whole layer of officers of the Soviet school of training. Young lieutenants do not come to the troops ... Who and to whom will pass on combat experience, traditions ???

    This is what the authorities need to think about, and not to splurge us, beautifully speculating on our self-awareness about the revival of the glorious names of regiments.
  16. ATY
    ATY 17 December 2012 10: 59
    +2
    It is necessary to preserve and revive the traditions of the army and navy that have been around for centuries, the traditions of the past (Soviet) century should also not be forgotten. It should be thought out how to combine these traditions so that they complement each other, to whom all these traditions and the merits of military units are our tribute to our ancestors on whom young people should be educated.
  17. Irkutsk
    Irkutsk 17 December 2012 11: 16
    +1
    As a small detail of the general idea of ​​the revival of the Russian historical consciousness, the naming of especially distinguished divisions with big names is not a bad idea. Do not forget the experience of the "guards" of the Soviet era, it was really interesting to know the combat path of your unit during service in the SA, and the guard badge is not just a brazuletka. The morale will not rise from the renaming of the unit, there is still a lot of work, God grant us all health.
    But he won't tell anyone, why did the president decide to speak to the people on December 20? The next day, you know what some people expect, a big tryndet. It seems to me - this "vzhi" is not without reason.
  18. Samovar
    Samovar 17 December 2012 11: 31
    +2
    Of course, I am for the restoration of the most illustrious formations (especially for the restoration of 6 tank armies bully ) This is really a tribute to memory.
    But personally, I was perplexed
    the revival of the historical memory of the Second World War

    I am not against the revival of her memory as the First World War (this is, after all, our history), but there were two Russian wars (wars for the survival of the people and the country) in history - these were 1812 and 1941-1945. But PMV was not, by definition.
  19. taseka
    taseka 17 December 2012 11: 42
    +3
    Glory to the victories of Russian weapons in the historical connection of their annals! The spirit of the heroes of the past with the current heroes rallies and triumphs!
    But such statements - "Yuri Baluevsky in an interview with Izvestia, said that their base for the Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments should be the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs"- Shame! The army is the winner, this is not the detective police!
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 December 2012 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: taseka
      "Yuri Baluyevsky, in an interview with Izvestia, said that their base for the Semyonovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments should be the Interior Ministry troops" -

      Declare them the presidential guard and a little to pacify the rebellious. Crap, but the prospect is visible. To protect the elite need elite troops. And the army ????????????? Revival of spirit, another excuse?
  20. silver_roman
    silver_roman 17 December 2012 11: 50
    +3


    Words of True Go * Comrade Almost all modern developments of new technology are carried out according to projects developed in the USSR. the whole theory of warfare, training, the concept, and in many ways the structure of the troops — all the legacy of the USSR and they are still yapping.


    One of the biggest mistakes of the ex-defense minister. firstly, the goals of our armies are completely different, and secondly, the approach is different. and besides, our area is incommensurably larger. European women are accustomed to triumphantly entering the ruins of the country, which at first they heroically bombarded with aircraft, bombarded with all sorts of "tomogavki" and then, having lost a dozen people, take the capital and destroy the leader. and 15 years later, a feature film was released, where in the end credits you can see lines of approximately the following character: "during the operation, 15 heroes and patriots of their country, whose names will never be forgotten in their homeland, gave their lives. They gave their lives for democracy and peace all over the world, sending the asses of 2138 terrible barbarians to hell, who wanted to destroy everything light in this world. " something like this lol
    1. Sanches
      Sanches 17 December 2012 13: 25
      +1
      silver_roman Today, 11: 50
      at first they are heroically bombed by aircraft, bombarded with all sorts of "tomogavki" and then, having lost a dozen people, they take the capital and destroy the leader
      ancient as the world method, and the most correct, only its illumination is incorrect - on the one hand amero-sugary, on the other fascistophobic. Remember how back in the days of the Old Russian princes the city was fired by burning arrows before it was occupied. Princess Olga generally applied something like napalm - lit tow with sulfur, tied to the feet of pigeons

      The military reform was originally aimed at the almost complete destruction of Soviet military traditions, which were incompatible with the very idea of ​​the Eurosdart army, practical, modern and small. Officials once again followed the example of the West, creating a kind of modern punitive expeditionary force
      Change the army anyway have to, along with ideology. As soon as they are used to cheating from classmates, they are cheating from Europeans, they don’t want to think for themselves. Amer for some reason never looks at Europeans, and build their own kind of civilization
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 December 2012 16: 51
        0
        Quote: Sanches
        the nurse Olga generally applied something like napalm - lit tow with sulfur, tied to the feet of pigeons

        Actually, this is a myth that people haven’t invented. Try to guess why? And in general, how do you imagine it?
        1. Sanches
          Sanches 17 December 2012 21: 12
          0
          baltika-18 Today, 16: 51
          Actually, this is a myth that people haven’t invented. Try to guess why? And in general, how do you imagine it?
          Some things about Princess Olga look like an ugly Polish fairy tale, taken from an ugly Polish chronicle, although these things are studied in school, films and cartoons are made about them. Most likely, "Greek fire" was used, but this is not the point. It doesn't matter how, but the cities were really burned before the capture, or even to take the ancient Greeks - they threw darts or arrows at the enemy before converging in close combat. It is not clear why to the most effective tactics battle cultivate disgust. There is enough disgust for goals wars of "world government"
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 17 December 2012 16: 58
        0
        Amers is the only nation that behaves so aggressively, so they have their own methods, their own structure and doctrine. they just have no one else to lick, because they are in many ways unique. our country is WHILE that strives only for defense.
        1. Vodrak
          Vodrak 17 December 2012 18: 27
          0
          There is no such nation !!!!!
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 18 December 2012 13: 12
            0
            do not quibble over words. the essence, I think, is clear to you.
  21. Great RUSSIA
    Great RUSSIA 17 December 2012 12: 35
    +4
    There is no great army of Russia since 1991 of the year. There is no sense in creating great divisions; first you need to put things in order in your head.
  22. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 17 December 2012 13: 28
    +3
    In my opinion, shelves need to be rebuilt; moreover, this is just what needs to be rebuilt. It is to object. To return to the homeland the attributes of the guard units stored in the West. And most importantly, DO NOT HURRY. It is better to think over all the nuances in advance than to be a laughing stock or adjust them in the process. To revive not only Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky, but also parts (guards) of order-bearing, nominal times of the Great Patriotic War. The moral aspect, the moment of succession is very important in protecting the homeland. And it’s very important not to overdo it. After all, the ELITE is only a PART of the whole. Let the best, but part. I think Putin’s thought is very sound.
    1. Vodrak
      Vodrak 17 December 2012 17: 56
      0
      Totally agree with you. These should not be "funny" (from the point of view of our beloved oppositionists), but really real, combat-ready military units. As for the Preobrazhensky, Semenovsky and other regiments, I think there should be continuity. It seems to me that these names should be received by military units that historically came out of these famous regiments. if they were disbanded, then officers, soldiers, companies, or something else from these units should have remained. Based on this, these parts can be restored. Then it really will be a historical continuity, which will not be a laughing stock for all (sorry) rabble, who always (again) sorry slander OUR army. As for the guards units and other military units of the Soviet period, who glorified themselves in battles with the German - fascist hordes who heroically defended the freedom and independence of our Motherland - it seems to me that it is definitely necessary to restore their ranks (I mean the Kantimirovskaya and Taman divisions), to return the Soviet banners , and sacredly honor their glorious past. As for the divisions of the Airborne Troops, they do not need to go into the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments - they already have a good heroic past, they already have their own history. I don’t know why there is no Margelov division yet? this is the title of the Airborne Troops worth fighting for. and for motorized riflemen there is the rank of the Ryazan regiment, for the artillerymen - the Apsheron regiment. sorry if I confused something
  23. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 17 December 2012 16: 51
    +2
    voted for the first paragraph, but what about a fly in the ointment. From my point of view of the staff, it would not hurt to start to revive the courts of officer honor in the army, and even polish the very concept of officer honor, somehow this matter has faded since the revolution. Maybe then tyranny and arbitrariness among nachfin and defense ministers will decrease
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 17 December 2012 21: 34
      +2
      Good idea ... officer honor courts.
      Moreover, there were such in the SA and Navy.
      But, if you revive .. so in full:
      - duels ... on swords, on espadrons, on screw cutters, on "rosettes".
      - ddershnikov,
      - punishment with rods and gauntlets
      - run through the system (especially .. people from the Moscow Region, the former. In the naked form)
      - how to steal - a bullet in the forehead. Well, if expensive - .. a wheel drive around the neck and into the Moscow River.
      - enter the form - as the archers had. And what, there were in due time - "conversations".
      - necessarily .. platoon - a horse with red, revolutionary bloomers, especially naval officers and pilots.
      - pilot - wearing spurs on boots and sabers is mandatory. Instead of a headset - a hat in the spirit of d'Artagnan.
      ...
      Then it will be possible to talk ... about traditions.
      ...
      There is no other business ... only traditions .. import .. to be born.
      To return that destroyed - for starters.
  24. kush62
    kush62 17 December 2012 16: 54
    +2
    I think we need to start with respect for ourselves. As you look at what's happening on Airborne Forces Day, it’s getting dumb. Drunk bathing in fountains and the fear of others for their children in the park. Defenders who are afraid. Border guards also go drunk, but fountains do not really come to fountains.
    1. Vodrak
      Vodrak 17 December 2012 18: 00
      0
      beautiful and capacious. for the guys from the Airborne Forces - do not disgrace Vasily Filippovich.
    2. xan
      xan 17 December 2012 18: 17
      0
      I personally would like to be ashamed of paratroopers and border guards only on their holidays
      but I'm ready to forgive
  25. arhipelag
    arhipelag 17 December 2012 17: 02
    -1
    Volodya apparently had completely finished his ideas ... they can’t do anything new, they can’t come up with something, the Russians have a rich history, but what would he do without history without ours.
    Our history needs to be remembered, and it is impossible to forget, but you need to go forward, look into the future, do something qualitatively new. So, our rulers of the USSR have already squeezed the backlog, and renaming it yes, it’s good ... Spirit !!! Moral !!! ... Russian van and this will be enough ...
  26. xan
    xan 17 December 2012 18: 11
    +2
    [quote = knn54] I completely agree. The Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments became more famous for their participation in palace coups.

    come on, these are just those shelves, the service in which "obliges".
    and the baptism of fire in the Battle of Narva is glorious, the entire Russian army pissed and draped, and these stood rooted to the spot. With them we can say the army of the Russian Empire began.
    1. Vodrak
      Vodrak 17 December 2012 18: 26
      +1
      Perhaps you are right that under Narva they "pissed", but Semenovtsy and Preobrazhentsy came out with unfurled banners and drumming. This is how the Swedes let them pass, although other Russian units simply drove away. On the other hand, haven't you lost in fights? As usual, he wiped himself off even (if he cried in childhood) and went to train again, study, gain strength
  27. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 18: 51
    +2
    [quote = xan] [quote = knn54] I completely agree. Semenovsky and Preobrazhensky regiments became more famous for their participation in palace coups. [/ quote]
    -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
    ------------------------------- This phrase, severally, revolted me. So, just to blurt out ..... .And, after all, everything is completely wrong: on August 2, 1700, the day the campaign began to go to the Narva fortress, the regiment was officially named the Life Guards for the first time by the Preobrazhensky Regiment, and, having justified the honorary title of the Guards, in September-November of that year saved army from a complete defeat near Narva. In 1703, the regiment participated in the siege and capture of Nienschanz and in the laying on the island of Lust Eiland of the St. Petersburg fortress. In 1704, after the siege, the fortresses of Narva and Ivangorod were taken. It is interesting that in August 1706 Tsar Peter Alekseevich deigned to accept the rank of Preobrazhensky colonel, and later, in 1722, according to the rank table, the regiment headquarters and chief officers were granted seniority of two ranks against the army.

    In 1737, in the Turkish campaign, the regiment, as part of the army of Field Marshal Count Minich, took part in the siege and capture of Ochakov and other battles with the Turks. In the formidable 1812th regiment was appointed to the 1st Western army of Barclay de Tolly, on August 26 took part in the Battle of Borodino. On January 1, 1813, the guard in the convoy of General Tormasov crossed the Neman. In August of that year, the regiment distinguished itself in the battle of Kulm, where in honor of the Russian Guard, Emperor Franz I ordered the construction of a monument. On March 19, 1814, the Preobrazhensky triumphantly entered the capital of France, and on July 30 they returned to Petersburg through the Triumphal Gate. In 1877-78 the guard participated in the Turkish campaign for the Danube, crossed the Balkans from Nygoshev, liberated Sofia and Adrianople. On May 20, 1918, the regiment that went through the heavy battles of World War I was disbanded.
  28. He is
    He is 17 December 2012 21: 25
    +2
    Another psychological trick on the impact on citizens associated with the latest events in the Moscow Region! Now we will talk, discuss, propose, wait ..... And the army continues to fall apart!
  29. Yrsh.2008
    Yrsh.2008 17 December 2012 21: 58
    +4
    Certainly, it is NECESSARY to restore the honorary names of military units, if only in order to return from nonexistence the Heroes forever enlisted in their lists
  30. chehywed
    chehywed 17 December 2012 22: 48
    +1
    It is possible to revive old shelves, and with their inherent features. And it is not worth giving their name to parts that have no links with them. In the French army, many units trace their history back to Napoleonic times. We, as always ... "... to the ground, and then ..."
  31. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 18 December 2012 01: 52
    +4
    Kick first from 2008 to 2012, the army finally hangs over.
    They ruin a military education, break the fate and careers of officers, expelling indiscriminately to a civilian. Under the strict guidance of a woman, a paramilitary collective farm named after Serdyukov is made out of the army. And now remembered the traditions.
    First, a muzzle in the mud of a soldier, and now they raised it, shook it off, I'm sorry dude were a little bit wrong, so what.
    Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiment must be created from scratch.
    The motorized rifle regiment. The officers try to recruit only combat.
    Handing the banner. Make these units truly guards, so that service in them is prestigious.
    And in general, the Russian army in 1 million. people this is complete nonsense, nonsense of Makarych with a hangover. The army needs to be increased at times, and such regiments should be created en masse in all branches of the armed forces. We have many glorious regiments of the imperial army and even more of the Soviet army after the Second World War.
  32. fenix57
    fenix57 18 December 2012 06: 04
    +2
    Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments BE in the glory of the Fatherland.
    1. military
      military 19 December 2012 12: 09
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments BE in the glory of the Fatherland.

      if the revival is planned "according to Baluevsky" ... recourse
      the internal troops have their own "glory" ... special ... what
  33. Aryan
    Aryan 18 December 2012 09: 05
    0
    I believe that it is not worth reviving the traditions of the red army since the time of the legendary Budenovy
  34. knn54
    knn54 18 December 2012 14: 16
    +2
    The army of the Russian Federation serves Christians, Muslims, Jews ... The OFFICER has one religion -
    PATRIOTISM! Only after this will the revival of the army begin.
  35. Owl
    Owl 18 December 2012 19: 25
    +2
    Military units (regiments, brigades and divisions) received their honorary heroic names for heroism on the battlefields, for real heroism and real deeds. Now they want to decide "from above" which of the "castrated" divisions with almost "zero" (the present-day ground forces brigades) should assign high heroic names. Sorry, but the expression "Semyonovskaya Brigada" is more suitable for a crime chronicle or television series.
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 18 December 2012 20: 26
      0
      Or reportage "News from the fields"
  36. Alekseev
    Alekseev 18 December 2012 20: 28
    +2
    What is the purpose of the revival of parts of the Russian Imperial Guard?
    Protection of the highest officials of the state in case of revolt or attempted coup?
    Creation of exemplary military units in all respects?
    Education through service in them patriots of the Fatherland?
    All this is not bad.
    But if in the rest of the army there is no order, modern weapons and full support, if those like perdukov, encouraging theft and collapse, are appointed to high posts and from them "like water off a duck's back", then no guard will help.
    The result is an ordinary PR move and a mockery of Russian history in the likeness of "mummers" Cossacks.
  37. Siberian
    Siberian 18 December 2012 21: 32
    +2
    You cannot enter the same water twice.
    It is impossible to revive a disbanded unit if continuity is lost.
    Now you need to save at least what is left ...
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 20 December 2012 17: 33
      0
      And what is preserved? Remains of a rotten USSR through and through?
  38. Pere lachaise
    Pere lachaise 30 January 2013 15: 39
    0
    Plus the option "yes" without hesitation at all.
  39. Kolyan
    Kolyan April 3 2013 09: 09
    0
    Of course you need. Especially remember the heroes of the First World War. For example, Osovets, attack of the dead.
  40. radar69
    radar69 25 December 2013 08: 47
    0
    What rebirth and why is it? It is necessary to create normal conditions for service and life for servicemen of the Russian Federation and their families. The army is a reflection of the real life of the people.
  41. Anatoly77
    Anatoly77 19 December 2014 19: 45
    0
    necessarily a story
  42. Anatoly77
    Anatoly77 19 December 2014 19: 45
    0
    must not be forgotten
  43. Anatoly77
    Anatoly77 19 December 2014 19: 45
    0
    must not be forgotten