Source: Project 23900 UDC under construction will receive promising Ka-65 Minoga carrier-based helicopters before going to trials

July 11 2023

The new UDCs being built at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch will be armed with promising Ka-65 Minoga helicopters in an anti-submarine version. This was reported by a source familiar with the situation.

The promising Minoga helicopter is planned to be put into service by 2028, that is, before the completion of the construction of the new project 23900 helicopter carriers Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko, which are being built at Zaliv. According to the source, the UDC will receive new helicopters before acceptance tests and will pass them with a full air wing.

The universal landing ships Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko will take on board carrier-based helicopters, including the promising anti-submarine helicopters Minoga, even before the start of the cycle of acceptance sea trials

- leads TASS source words.

As previously reported, the air wing of the new UDC will include the Ka-65 Minoga anti-submarine helicopters, the Ka-52K Katran multipurpose attack helicopters, the Ka-31 radar patrol and the Ka-27PS search and rescue helicopters.

The development of a new promising helicopter for the Russian Navy started back in 2016, the contract for R&D was signed at the Army-2020 forum, before that the preliminary design stage was completed.

Ka-65 (preliminary code) is being developed to replace the Ka-27, which is in service fleet since the 80s of the last century. The helicopter is created according to the "Kamov" scheme, i.e. with two coaxial screws. It is assumed that the helicopters will go to the fleet in anti-submarine, transport and amphibious versions, in contrast to the Ka-52K Katran helicopters designed specifically for use on the UDC, which have a narrower specialization.

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Uncle lee 11 July 2023 08: 20
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Project 23900 UDC will receive promising carrier-based Ka-65 "Minoga" helicopters
There it is! The men didn't know!
tralflot1832 11 July 2023 08: 35
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It turns out what kind of surprise Putin promised at the laying. Then 2 more UDCs are needed to be honest for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet.
1. Sergey39 11 July 2023 09: 18
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  In addition to helicopters for various purposes, UDC will be based on drones and let's see what kind of landing craft.
  And, these UDCs will be anyway, one Pacific Fleet, the second Black Sea Fleet (Mediterranean squadron).
2. Petr_Koldunov 11 July 2023 09: 53
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  Quote: tralflot1832
  Then 2 more UDCs are needed to be fair for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet.
  
  But you wait, my dear, with a portrait ... let him deal with the sculpture! (c) Formula of love
  1. ramzay21 17 July 2023 06: 52
    
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    The project of a new anti-submarine helicopter is certainly good, only it would be good to move away from the tradition of the last 30 years and make it not as usual, but as it should, otherwise it turns out that the new anti-submarine helicopter does not fit into the hangars of built corvettes and frigates. And why is it being built?
    As for the UDC, in normal countries where the leadership of the Navy thinks about the UDC business, they build it after destroyers and aircraft carriers, which should protect the UDC on the march and provide fire support for the landing and build it should be enterprises with experience in building large and complex warships and not private shops that did not build anything other than the stupid and expensive MRK Buyan-M.
    Building UDC in the realities of our fleet, in which there is already a catastrophic shortage of all surface combat-ready ships, that is, corvettes and frigates, and the complete absence of even the prospect of building a modern destroyer is clear sabotage, wrecking and betrayal.
Nikolay Dyaglev 11 July 2023 08: 58
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Hahaha, in my opinion, when these helicopter carriers are completed, they will godlessly become obsolete. Now the emphasis has gone on drones, air, surface and underwater, and helicopters are just big targets in the shooting range, drive maximum Somali pirates))) The age of aircraft carriers, and even more so helicopter carriers, has already gone, especially considering the cost of building and maintaining these ships
1. LMN 11 July 2023 09: 04
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  Quote: Nikolay Dyaglev
  Hahaha, in my opinion, when these helicopter carriers are completed, they will godlessly become obsolete. Now the emphasis has gone on drones, air, surface and underwater, and helicopters are just big targets in the shooting range, drive maximum Somali pirates))) The age of aircraft carriers, and even more so helicopter carriers, has already gone, especially considering the cost of building and maintaining these ships
  
  Apparently Azerbaijan will fight off the Russian Federation with drones?
  1. Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 July 2023 21: 11
    
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    And Russia will fight with Azerbaijan?
2. Doccor18 11 July 2023 09: 08
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  they are outdated. Now the emphasis has gone on drones, air, surface and underwater
  
  And what prevents them from being based instead of helicopters under a hundred different UAVs?
  
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  The age of aircraft carriers, and even more so helicopter carriers, has already passed ...
  
  Yes, yes, you heard. Only for some reason the largest states of the world both built them and are building them, everyone who can afford it. And even those who cannot afford, try to portray something like that. Those are stupid...
  
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  these are just big targets in the shooting range, drive the maximum of Somali pirates ...
  
  Yeah, what else can 30 carrier-based fighter-bombers or 50 strike UAVs do? Of course, only drive Somali gangs on rusty boats ...
3. Sergey39 11 July 2023 09: 25
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  Ha ha, this is your shortsightedness! Helicopter at sea is the best means of tracking submarines. A ship gaining speed, due to its own noise, ceases to hear the boat. So they came up with a towed GAS, a GAS lowered from helicopters and radio beacons. Aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers have been and will be in service with countries. Their tactics of use and defense will change, taking into account the emergence of new threats.
  1. Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 July 2023 21: 02
    
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    You even read books, do not disgrace yourself.
4. vladcub 11 July 2023 09: 34
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  Urgently, overpay all surface ships?
  Ukraine widely used various drones, and call those destroyed "drones? Moscow, either a mine, or an anti-ship missile Harpoon .." Essen "repelled the attack and remained in service.
  SRK: "Ivan Khurs" beat off the attack and returned to base.
  In February, Sevastopol was attacked by unmanned boats and, but 2 girls raised the alarm and one of the boats, with automatic fire, was disabled.
  True, they panicked and spat in long bursts.
5. Popandos 11 July 2023 09: 35
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  Hahaha
  
  If I were you, I would not laugh, but first I found out what UDC is and what tasks it is intended for.
  And that's how you make people laugh.
  1. Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 July 2023 21: 17
    
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    Can you explain why UDC if the aircraft refuse landing operations? The past year has shown that even a river crossing cannot be carried out in conditions of more or less active resistance. In the conditions of the NMD, our pilots do not fly up close to the front line, firing from extreme distances. Do you really hope to use the UDC for its intended purpose for dropping the first wave of troops? Yes, these will be suicide bombers, however, along with the UDC itself.
6. ramzay21 17 July 2023 07: 00
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  The age of aircraft carriers, and even more so helicopter carriers, is already gone, especially considering the cost of building and maintaining these ships
  
  An aircraft carrier will become obsolete along with aviation and everything that can fly, simply because an aircraft carrier is just a floating airfield and everything you place will take off from it. Place an Il-2 on an aircraft carrier and it will not be able to do anything, but if you place AWACS aircraft, modern F-35 fighters and a bunch of UAVs on it, then the aircraft carrier turns into a force capable of a lot. So they think in the USA, China, Britain, France, Japan, South Korea, Turkey and other more or less developed countries, and so they thought in the USSR. Although of course you think they are all stupid .....
Ezekiel 25-17 11 July 2023 09: 00
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It turns out what kind of surprise Putin promised at the laying. Then 2 more UDCs are needed to be honest for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet.

We need 6 multi-purpose aircraft carriers, 6 UDC and 36 destroyers URO "Leader" + the same number of frigates.
1. Ulan.1812 11 July 2023 09: 04
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  Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
  Quote: tralflot1832
  It turns out what kind of surprise Putin promised at the laying. Then 2 more UDCs are needed to be honest for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet.
  
  We need 6 multi-purpose aircraft carriers, 6 UDC and 36 destroyers URO "Leader" + the same number of frigates.
  
  Let's go broke. Although if you dispossess the thieves' gang of Potanin, Mordashov, Deripaska and Co., then that's enough for everything.
  1. UAZ 452 11 July 2023 09: 21
    
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    Populism. Even if we do not take into account that foreign "partners" were the first to fuss, and a significant part of their foreign assets have already been expropriated by them. And domestic, under the embargo, cost much less than a couple of years ago.
    Yes, and not so much there was, if on a national scale. No, there would be enough for the fleet, but just start robbing someone, so such a crowd of people with bowlers will come running for their share! Yes, even among the local flotophiles, if there is a serious choice - to spend on the fleet or for a small increase in their pensions, it is difficult to say what the majority will choose.
  2. Jonny_Su 11 July 2023 23: 52
    
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    It doesn't work like that. You are dispossessed once, but the fleet must be constantly maintained. Therefore, next they begin to dispossess you and your children. And after that, people ask why such a fleet at such a price, and at the first opportunity they cut the fleet.
2. vladcub 11 July 2023 09: 39
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  "we need 6 many targets" a lot more is needed: a new commander-in-chief Gorshkov, an appropriate will, but there will be a will, there will be money
  And so sweet dreams
Ulan.1812 11 July 2023 09: 05
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Well, when will these UDCs be at least launched into the water?
I'm not talking about the date of transfer to the fleet.
Silence.
1. Sergey39 11 July 2023 09: 31
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  Study the shipbuilding program and add a couple of years, given the snail's pace of our industry. According to the plan, one in 2028, the second in 2029. I would like to note that our state is building ships in accordance with the fleet development program, the plan is being implemented, but with a delay of several years. One thing pleases, Sevmashenterprise mostly delivers boats on time. When the rest learn to work like that. Although there are many reasons, but who said that there are no problems.
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    this is not the course of industry, but the internal personnel policy of organizations. where the goal is to stick to the budget flow and cut it, increasing it annually through indexation. without reference to realities and situations.
    after all, on each floor of the curators - their hands are washed with oil (the Ministry of Industry and Trade and others like it - they were not worried, after all)
TermNachTer 11 July 2023 09: 23
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And how is the transport version different from the landing version? Will there be AWACS helicopters?
1. Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 July 2023 21: 19
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  AWACS helicopters? How is that? Maybe PLO?
Crimean partisan 1974 11 July 2023 09: 34
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judging by the photo, some kind of freak, why change the awl for soap
1. TermNachTer 11 July 2023 12: 38
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  The photo shows some kind of modelka of unknown origin. Apparently nothing better, as an illustration, could not be found.
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IMHO. The conflict in Ukraine showed that we (Russia) do not need UDC. It is sad that they will take huge finances and resources. It would be much more important to build frigates that would protect against cruise missiles from the sea, in a large series of the most unified ones. We need amphibious armored boats, and tens of thousands of attack drones. Stubbornly building a fat, unprotected, expensive vessel with helicopters, pilots, technicians in the hope that someday it will come in handy is a crime !!!
1. Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 July 2023 20: 58
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  Here's the point. Shoigu's experience does not teach anything to Shoigu. Why do we need this senseless waste of money in the conditions of the impossibility of conducting sea and airborne landing operations in modern conditions.
vovochkarzhevsky 11 July 2023 10: 17
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UDC will receive new helicopters before acceptance tests and will pass them already with a full air wing.

Since when did we have air wings?
As for the Ka-65, there is not even an approved draft design. So until 2028 for 5 years they will not meet. The Russian Federation is not the USSR where they could create a helicopter in a year.
1. sepal81 11 July 2023 14: 16
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  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
  UDC will receive new helicopters before acceptance tests and will pass them already with a full air wing.
  
  Since when did we have air wings?
  As for the Ka-65, there is not even an approved draft design. So until 2028 for 5 years they will not meet. The Russian Federation is not the USSR where they could create a helicopter in a year.
  
  When did the USSR create a helicopter in one year? Studio examples.
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    When did the USSR create a helicopter in one year? Studio examples.
    
    Helicopter Mi-4.
Evgeny Ivanov_5 11 July 2023 20: 54
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And why do we need UDC in the face of abandoning mobile landing operations? Here, the experience of the NWO does not teach us anything.
Eleazar bin Shaul 11 July 2023 21: 28
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Something quickly ... But in fact, wait until 2938. And UDC by 2042.
Berkut752 11 July 2023 21: 45
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Affter, in Russia there is aviation, and in it in aviation, there are LINKS, SQUADRILLES, REGIMENTS, ETC. , you are confused with the United States. As a former pilot, it is unpleasant for me to read.
Stoler 11 July 2023 23: 26
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HOORAY! HOORAY! New picture!!! I'm already tired of looking at PAK YES, PAK TA and "CHIIKHERKAKAYATO" SU-75 made of papier mache for an exhibition in Dubai !! We are FIRST again!
Ezekiel 25-17 12 July 2023 12: 48
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Quote: Ulan.1812
Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
Quote: tralflot1832
It turns out what kind of surprise Putin promised at the laying. Then 2 more UDCs are needed to be honest for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet.

We need 6 multi-purpose aircraft carriers, 6 UDC and 36 destroyers URO "Leader" + the same number of frigates.

Let's go broke. Although if you dispossess the thieves' gang of Potanin, Mordashov, Deripaska and Co., then that's enough for everything.

I'm not talking about how much it costs, but how many there should be, do not forget about the ICAPL and air wings.