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Russian army dressed in "Concept"

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In the Russian army, they nevertheless decided on a new field uniform. This news, which previously went on the Internet only in the form of unconfirmed rumors, last Thursday, December 13, was voiced by Deputy Defense Minister Dmitry Bulgakov. Above all else, the "cornerstone" issue of the placement of shoulder straps was also decided. Recently, so much has been said on this score that it seems that the position of the epaulettes on the uniform is one of the most important problems of the Russian army. In general, anyone who was in charge of returning shoulder straps, you can breathe out - returned. It is assumed that the general public will be able to get acquainted with the new version of the field uniform of military personnel in the very near future, perhaps already this week.

Currently, a new form is being actively discussed in the press. At the same time, they continue to associate the former “figure” with the name of fashion designer Valentin Yudashkin, while the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office officially confirmed that the fashion designer is not related to the form criticized. Up to 40 various organizations took part in the development of the past military uniform. According to the Deputy Minister of Defense, the new form has now been adopted by the Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, but is still being finalized.

He also said that in a new set of military field uniforms, which is similar to the American ACU - Army Combat Uniform, epaulets were returned to the shoulders of servicemen. Dmitry Bulgakov, in an interview with Moskovsky Komsomolets, answered questions vaguely about the similarity of the new form with the American developments rather vaguely and extensively, from which the newspaper concluded that the new form would indeed be similar to Army Combat Uniform. Between themselves, the military called the new form of "cabbage". This name arose for the reason that the principle of the "seven layers" was transferred to the form kit - from underwear to jacket. At the same time, the official name of the new military uniform “Concept”, despite the fact that the final version of the new field uniform has not yet been approved, an order has already been issued for it. During 2013, the Russian army should receive the 70 000 of the Concept.
Russian army dressed in "Concept"

The new form was significantly refined, taking into account the recommendations of the new head of department, Sergei Shoigu, and the wishes of the officer soldiers. In this case, dressing the Russian army in a completely new form of speech is not. Replacing some of the materials used by the furniture and design delights affected only the field suit, the basic version of which was decided to make more adapted to the specifics of service in various types and types of troops, in different periods of use and climatic zones.

The field uniform was modified in such a way that it can change even depending on what soldiers and officers have to do in it — sit in the classroom (passive use phase) or run around the training ground (active use phase). For each specific occupation or day of service, the set of used elements of the “vole” will be different, it will be different in its functional purpose. So, in the complete set of the special uniform of the special forces there will be 68 socks, and the total price of such a set will be 160-190 thousand rubles. In ordinary motorized infantry elements of the form will naturally be less. It is assumed that the new form will be seven-layer and will be able to protect soldiers from temperature extremes. The cost of one field "infantry" kit will not exceed 45 thousand rubles.

Dmitry Bulgakov has denied rumors about the full identity of the new US military kit. However, the general acknowledged that foreign samples of military uniforms at the Ministry of Defense were carefully studied. The deputy minister doesn’t see anything wrong with such an approach, while he didn’t go into details regarding the new army wardrobe, having told only about some fundamental things. For example, now there are three pairs of shoes, including special winter berets that can withstand temperatures down to 40 degrees. Also, the deputy minister spoke about new berets, which now can be worn by all servicemen with casual and ceremonial uniform.

Vladislav Shurygin? the chief editor of the specialized magazine “Soldiers of Russia”, stressed that even the parts that do not have any practical use in our army were copied in the new Russian form. So, according to him, on the collar and the American and Russian jackets are on 2-e Velcro. American soldiers attach insignia to one of them, but it’s not entirely clear what will be mounted there in the Russian army. The same applies to accurately copied pockets on the pants. The American soldiers in these small pockets, located on the shins, wear individual medical packages, but at the same time, for which the Russian soldiers have these pockets, is also not entirely clear.

Vladislav Shurygin also added that even the domestic developers decided to sew the “right-sided” zipper, as in the USA. In our country, these zippers are called "women's" because they are used only in women's clothing, and they have never been used in military uniform. However, the American soldiers all lightning such as it is believed that in the event of a wounded soldier it will be more convenient to unbutton other soldiers, who will assist the injured person. At the same time, according to Shurygin, as well as on the American uniform, the zipper closes on a special strip with velcro on the Russian uniform.

At the same time, there are differences between the two forms. According to Anatoly Matviychuk, a former officer of special forces units, a candidate of military sciences, there are less 1,5 pockets in Russian uniforms. Because of this, not only a passport in the cover, but also cell phones are not placed in the Russian twist. The same trouble was noted with hip pockets. Matveychuk did not find such a solution to any justification, except for one, according to which the manufacturer simply saved on the material. He also noted the fact that the creators of ACU paid much of their attention to small elements that the Russian manufacturer of BTK Group considered unnecessary.

Americans have shoulder pockets completely covered with velcro for attaching chevrons, besides this there are fastenings above chest pockets for signs of military specialties, stripes with a surname and a name, etc. There is no such thing on the Russian form. In addition, there are no infrared tags that are noticeable in night vision devices, these tags on the ACU are located on the shoulders. In addition, Russia saved on pockets for ballpoint pens located on the left sleeve. Moreover, all experts agree that there is nothing bad in borrowing from foreigners.

At one time, the Americans reacted very quickly to the combat experience that they had gained during the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq. And the form created in the USA is considered to be very convenient. The most interesting thing is that this form is also used in Russian special forces. For example, in a number of units of the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Security Service the American uniform ACU, produced by Propper, is being purchased in black and gray. Vladislav Shurygin admitted that he himself has been in possession of the original American uniform for almost a year now and does not see anything wrong with the fact that Russian servicemen will wear this uniform. Experts agree with those soldiers who have already taken part in the experimental wearing of a new field uniform.

According to the servicemen who participated in the pilot socks, the uniform is very comfortable, it doesn’t compare with either the old or the new one, which they began to issue in the army from 2009 onwards. They especially noted the gate, which, when laid out, does not rub the neck, and in the buttoned-up state very well protects the soldier from sand and wind. Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the magazine Arsenal of Russia, agrees that it does not matter who was engaged in the development of the uniform, the main thing is that it was convenient for the soldiers. According to him, copying the most successful models of weapons and equipment, as well as uniforms in the modern world, is quite common.

In turn, the company "BTK Group" declare that they did not copy anything, but only applied the best world developments. The developers of the new Russian field uniform explained that when they were created, they studied various sample forms from different countries and paid considerable attention to the form of the American army, as it is currently the only army in the world that regularly takes part in hostilities in various climatic conditions. . At the same time, the company stressed that it is wrong to talk about copying the American form. Also in the BTK Group, they noted that they are not afraid of the fact that the United States may make any claims to them.

The form created by BTK Group was presented to Sergey Shoigu last week, and its development was completed in 2011 year. A total of about 500 kits were manufactured, which undergo experimental testing in various units and units of the Russian Armed Forces. The American form ACU - Army Combat Uniform, in turn, was adopted by the United States Army in the 2005 year, replacing the old DCU (Desert Combat Uniform) form for desert terrain and BDU (Battrel Dress Uniform) for forest land. The form was developed taking into account the real combat experience in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Information sources:
-http: //www.newsru.com/russia/14dec2012/forma.html
-http: //www.rg.ru/2012/12/13/forma-site.html
-http: //vz.ru/news/2012/12/3/609914.html
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  1. Bykov.
    Bykov. 17 December 2012 08: 32
    +12
    It was only worth throwing out Taburetkina, as soon as it appeared that there was something other than FELIN.
    1. Esso
      Esso 17 December 2012 12: 55
      +20
      It’s for sure, but it’s not enough to throw this subject out, I would put him on the wall and his woman too. The main thing is that these women, and especially Vasiliev, who was stealing current, were not given a suspended sentence, but her dad spoke out, saying that’s all that she found, he presented all the jewelry there, I’ll remind you that she has the cheapest pebble worth 350 thousand, but the investigators can’t figure it all out. As I said about the weather, thank God it’s returned to its place. It’s necessary to create a flow of commissions and military acceptance, so that the new form is made efficiently and money is spent wherever you need, let the guy spin the Shoigu, before they did the equipment according to the most stringent standards and still serve it! It sometimes seems to me that Serdyukov was doing his business and helping others and not working, and even Medvedev interceded, it turns out Medvedev knew about corruption and was silent, and this is harboring the attacker!
      1. alexng
        alexng 17 December 2012 13: 43
        +10
        Yes, a lot of harm was done to our army by the smerdyuk, and this AI PADla also protects it. It's time to put both of them on the righteous court, for universal "censure through the grandma of the Indians."
        1. TiRex
          TiRex 10 February 2013 01: 22
          0
          so covers his wife’s sister
      2. TiRex
        TiRex 10 February 2013 01: 21
        0
        there will be little Vasilyeva, she is the cousin of Medvedev’s wife ...
    2. beech
      beech 17 December 2012 14: 32
      +3
      blah blah blah ... the key and long-awaited word here is- an order is placed for 70 thousand sets !!!!
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 17 December 2012 18: 46
        -2
        Not for 70000 sets ... And each set costs 70000 rupees ... I hope that it costs this money ....
        1. PLO
          PLO 17 December 2012 19: 39
          +1
          Not for 70000 sets ... And each set costs 70000 rupees ... I hope that it costs this money ....

          You are mistaken, in 2013 they want to buy 70000 sets, which were not specified
          What about the price
          ... the cost of a new set of uniforms for a special forces soldier reaches 190 thousand rubles, and the so-called "infantry" uniform will cost the state from 30 to 45 thousand rubles.
    3. SSR
      SSR 17 December 2012 14: 41
      +7
      Quote: Bulls.
      It was only worth throwing Taburetkin, as soon as it appeared

      Well, not much has changed .. Mr. Bolev who sawed the money on the form .. will also chop on sewing a new one ...
      Also, “BTK groups” noted that they are not afraid

      they really are not afraid .. olympstrovets horseradish.
    4. KGB161rus
      KGB161rus 17 December 2012 19: 39
      +5
      throw Taburetkina

      What are you talking about, the past "figure" was also not bad, depending on what material it is made of, and that the soldiers are given thermo underwear, etc., there is another money laundering on the face, only now in the person of another minister. ...
      Just remember that "new - already old" form, how it was praised, and then how people began to catch colds, what reasons were not voiced, and that they overexposed in the cold and did not wear it correctly, complete nonsense, but how Serdyuk was removed, so all the same the form turned out to be bad. ...
      1. in reserve
        in reserve 17 December 2012 23: 17
        0
        [media = http: //www.vesti.ru/only_video.html? vid = 471509]
  2. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 17 December 2012 08: 36
    +12
    Probably got up from the wrong foot, it seems to me that it has become painful to quickly change shape recently. Just like on a show of some kind.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 17 December 2012 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      It seems to me that it has become painful to quickly change shape recently.

      The bigger, the better.
      As you know, porridge cannot be spoiled with butter.
      1. yustas
        yustas 17 December 2012 10: 18
        +5
        Quote: Bulls.
        The bigger, the better.
        As you know, porridge cannot be spoiled with butter.

        it depends on what kind of oil ... it won’t be very good with engine oil, but of course I agree with you.
      2. rolik
        rolik 17 December 2012 12: 16
        +6
        Already added a spoonful of tar. What for pockets do small? This is not a girls dress. You can put many more in your pocket and first-aid kit. They write that they saved on the material. Found on what to save. Well, the zipper also needs to be habitually sewn, and then, like a gay army, they inserted the right one. Although, maybe it is only in prototypes, then they will redo it.
        1. SSR
          SSR 17 December 2012 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: rolik
          You can put in your pocket and first aid kit

          This pocket is adapted for the American-style first-aid kit ... which ours does not have ... and about the form the article was a week ago or more.
        2. datur
          datur 17 December 2012 18: 36
          +1
          Quote: rolik

          -
          +

          . What for pockets do small? - so to increase for a long time !! wink ! laughing because it’s written, they’re working on it !!! yes and what looks like their ace, and to hell with it! wink the main thing is that our soldiers should be comfortable !!! Especially the amers in the production of shells, the dog ate, it’s not a sin to use it, if only for the benefit !!!! yes
      3. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 17 December 2012 22: 53
        +2
        We have that in the budget of money to a fig every three years to change the form. We would make a "figure" from normal material and everything would be "OK." And now 70 thousand sets will be purchased and the army will be all motley. Who is in digital and who in the new and as usual, there will not be enough money to change the clothes of the entire army, or again they will do it from cheap material.
  3. Flying Dutchman
    Flying Dutchman 17 December 2012 08: 38
    0
    To begin with, you can copy the American, and then you need to come up with your own.
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 17 December 2012 09: 51
      0
      Quote: Flying Dutchman
      To begin with, you can copy the American, and then you need to come up with your own.


      Copy is worth nothing, and no need !!!
      And you need to create something fundamentally new and ONLY OWN !!!
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 17 December 2012 10: 54
        +4
        Yes, let them copy, fantasize, but the form should be convenient, easy, practical. Warm and waterproof in winter, not hot in summer. Our fighter is smart. He will find what and where, in which pocket to stick. I had one that put a condensed milk in the grenade pouch instead of RG-42. But life taught in a backpack, instead of condensed milk, to wear grenades.
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 17 December 2012 18: 54
          0
          Lyrics from the song: "A friend spat on his shoulder over his left and took out a loaf of bread from a bag of bread, put a couple more pomegranates, because you can't throw bread on the tank" ......
        2. Dikremnij
          Dikremnij 20 December 2012 06: 07
          0
          I agree with you, you can add a normal camouflage pattern to the above.
          And as for the berets, then your MO is hot.
      2. yanus
        yanus 17 December 2012 11: 26
        +7
        Quote: LaGlobal
        Copy is worth nothing, and no need !!!
        And you need to create something fundamentally new and ONLY OWN !!!

        Fundamental new and your own? Well, I don't even know ... Let's sew on the shoulder straps on the ass. No one has this - fundamentally and fresh! And, yes, I forgot - you also need to add a mantra - "has no analogues in the world!".
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 17 December 2012 17: 58
          +2
          Quote: yanus
          Fundamental new and your own? Well, I don't even know ... Let's sew on the shoulder straps on the ass. No one has this - fundamentally and fresh! And, yes, I forgot - you also need to add a mantra - "has no analogues in the world!".


          Well, of course! Why reinvent the wheel, if you can follow the example of the Chinese ...
          PS} I {Dy miHycoB soldier
        2. datur
          datur 17 December 2012 18: 40
          +1
          yanus,
          Well, I don’t even know ... Let’s embroider asshole .-- precisely !!! wink but only for the Arbat military district !!! yes it's their style !!!! laughing
      3. rolik
        rolik 17 December 2012 12: 21
        +3
        The man, for the time being, has two legs and two arms. You can’t imagine anything extra new. New can only be covered in details. This is where they need to pay special attention. Details are pockets, the width of the legs, sleeves, collar. And if you copy from successful samples, there is nothing wrong with that. In the end, in a new form and fabric is of no small importance. We will have better fabric than others, but this is already quite excellent. And if they again take the Chinese hr ... ny, all the efforts in vain.
  4. Nickanor
    Nickanor 17 December 2012 08: 55
    +8
    It feels like copied, but apparently with a difference for the worse.
    What is the point of pockets into which even documents will not fit? .. And copying elements that are deliberately sharpened for "American needs"?
  5. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 17 December 2012 08: 58
    +16
    The story with the form ... They talk a lot about this. Yudashkin dragged, now the Americans. The next time the Americans begin to cry out instead of Yudashkin, they will be excused.
  6. omsbon
    omsbon 17 December 2012 09: 07
    +2
    And what about the development of the "Warrior" uniform or is it just a means of protecting a soldier? Nobody will explain.
    1. rolik
      rolik 17 December 2012 23: 48
      0
      As far as I remember, "Warrior" is the system of the soldier of the future. That is, a complex that includes both the form itself and tactical gadgets (computer, GPC, etc.). And the form in this system does not play a leading role, all the adaptations presented in "Warrior" can be installed on the new form.
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 18 December 2012 20: 09
        0
        Thank you Roman!
  7. Mitek
    Mitek 17 December 2012 09: 18
    +1
    I look at the photo and the gloves are asking straight ... with a "folding" finger rest)))
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 17 December 2012 14: 43
      +1
      They will develop !!! - with folding fingers on all fingers and with that inside !!! lol
    2. core
      core 17 December 2012 19: 16
      -1
      even if they gave a x \ w china a glove to the conscript, otherwise they run around with their bare hands in winter. three pairs of tibia, here are dreamers. 2 pairs of socks for the entire order, and three boots, I can't laugh. all the frosts the fighters in the beluga whale went through, where the thermo underwear put to the figure, for sure, Serdyukov put everything on himself. the minister was changed, but not the attitude of the "commander" to the soldier, which means that nothing has changed.
  8. erased
    erased 17 December 2012 09: 35
    +4
    Even if they copy good, they do worse for the same reasons - the toad strangles! Save on material, on color, on anything. And again, left-wing firms will sew. But in this form, after all, to fight, and not to go to parades.
  9. kopar
    kopar 17 December 2012 09: 49
    0
    Until the military themselves say what form is more convenient, it is too early to draw conclusions. As for what they copied, even with the Norwegian one, if only the soldier was comfortable.
    1. Recon
      Recon 17 December 2012 12: 28
      0
      it is written that the soldiers say a convenient form, better and "flora" and "numbers".
  10. Apollo
    Apollo 17 December 2012 09: 51
    +9
    I’m amazed, we are releasing such equipment and weapons. But they cannot really make one form.

    quote-Recently, so much has been said on this subject that it seems that the location of shoulder straps on uniforms is one of the most important problems of the Russian army.

    That's it, the main thing is that the uniform for military personnel should be reliable, practical and convenient!Daaaaaaaaa, apparently military fashion designers have moved. The Soviet design school was the best of its kind, in the whole world.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 17 December 2012 10: 24
      0
      I apologize twice wrote reliable - instead of one -convenient
    2. Nikor
      Nikor 17 December 2012 14: 58
      +7
      the best? But the fact that in the mountains in Afghanistan that no one in sneakers and sneakers did not run? or is everyone wearing boots? or maybe you liked the chebeshka that faded over the summer. you probably didn’t like the boots with footcloths, just don’t say that it’s not cold in them in the winter, they don’t get wet and in the summer they don’t rub their feet, and they don’t rub their feet.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 17 December 2012 15: 39
        0
        Quote: Nicor
        the best?


        Yes, in those days the best, prove me the opposite and I will take my words back. This is the first.
        the second - the decision to send troops was made spontaneous and in this regard, the field form for warfare in the mountains has not been developed sufficiently.
        Third, many countries copied the Soviet form. And this is a fact.
        The fourth about the shebeshki, I will say this, the more it faded, the more valuable it was considered as worn jeans.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 17 December 2012 18: 34
          0
          Quote: Apollon

          Yes, at that time the best, prove the opposite to me and I will take my words back.
          In the overcoat with fish fur or in a cotton pea jacket with a faux fur collar did not fight? You can’t raise your hands, the collar rubs your neck an hour before the blood, the sliders are short, and you blow your lower back. Boots with footcloths in Amderma, in Kandahar - a device for depleting. No wonder people switched to sneakers. After being wounded for 2 years, he was a clothing worker, at the training camp they asked questions to the generals why the vole was such a Mr., in response - nonsense about the convenience of an overcoat and boots and about Russian military traditions. So, do not about the form of CA.
          1. evgenm55
            evgenm55 18 December 2012 10: 53
            0
            I blasphemed all sorts of forms — and hb, and psh, and overcoats, and overalls, and any other xx..ni ... I can’t say that all of it is bad and uncomfortable, I agree with Apollo in this. And I don’t need to tell me fairy tales that it is warmer in cross-country than in boots with a baiha. It’s more convenient, easier, yes. And the most important thing in a soldier is still not a uniform with the number of pockets, but a MORAL and BATTLE SPIRIT, the ability to use weapons. Our great-grandfathers naked and hungry they had the whole Entente, grandfathers and fathers in kirzach and overcoats bent Europe.
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 18 December 2012 23: 22
              0
              evgenm55To wear in a dress or on a parade ground is one thing, to fight in it is another. And why are we stupid boots and ankle boots thrown away, and put on "sneakers"? Didn't you deign to serve as a political commander, what about the MORAL and COMBAT SPIRIT in bad uniforms, what interferes and does not help to fight and protect lives, you think? So let's get back to the curls, braids and shakos - tradition, understand. And fathers and grandfathers in quilted jackets and half-coats bent Europe. And in Afghanistan, it was not in vain that the shape began to change almost immediately.
        2. bddrus
          bddrus 18 December 2012 17: 15
          0
          Is it correct to make such a statement - "prove me otherwise "? Once you have stated, first prove your statement. About the fact that many countries copied - since you look at the DPRK army - you see the USSR of the 50s right away - you didn’t lie here, and now the Kyrgyz are asking to give the old uniform to the police
      2. core
        core 17 December 2012 19: 18
        -1
        set a plus for koment, but with sneakers in the mountains, you went too far. :)
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 17 December 2012 10: 09
    +2
    The main thing is that there are no frills and frills. Everything else will be the way ... unless 40 companies are involved in sewing the uniform (as indicated in the article). That is why it turns out like Raikin's - "Guys, who sewed this suit? I just want to look him in the eye. A formation of 20 people is coming out - we are!"
    Of course, any new form should first be tested in practice, and only after that, after the opinions of officers and soldiers, should be accepted for general implementation
  12. Hammer
    Hammer 17 December 2012 10: 11
    +2
    Exactly - what's the difference who developed it? the main thing is for the soldier to be convenient and comfortable.
    That's just the price confuses - 190 thousand rubles .... again smacks of kickbacks and cuts.
    Who knows how much each set of forms costs the pentagon?
    1. Samovar
      Samovar 17 December 2012 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Hammer
      That's just the price confuses - 190 thousand rubles .... again smacks of kickbacks and cuts.

      The investigators are engaged in rollbacks and cuts. But if the form is really worth it - it is better for our MO not to munch. In addition, this form is provided only for commandos. And for the special forces, as for children - all the best.
      True, to be honest, it’s a little disappointing that we are borrowing from a foreign army, and not vice versa.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 17 December 2012 17: 30
        0
        can be compared with expensive brands of travel clothing. nevertheless, we are talking about 68 items ... some, foreign models of berets are under 10 000r. not to mention the types of thermal underwear, which cannot be cheap by definition. Interesting in these 68 items is a sleeping bag and a backpack? who is in the know?
        announce the whole list, please!
    2. Vodrak
      Vodrak 18 December 2012 07: 17
      0
      in our country, in the bazaar, they sold the American uniform from the Kyrgyz manas for 100 bucks.
  13. itr
    itr 17 December 2012 10: 17
    0
    It's strange like helmets are graying
    1. not good
      not good 17 December 2012 12: 13
      +1
      This is a new helmet, by the way withstands a hit from a pistol.
      1. core
        core 17 December 2012 19: 19
        0
        only the neck breaks, and so the head is whole, not a single hole.
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 18 December 2012 10: 57
          0
          I heard from Prokopenko that he’s tearing off his head at all, and that he has a whole bs. But you are lying in a beautiful coffin.
  14. TRex
    TRex 17 December 2012 10: 26
    -11
    Looked at the photo - at **** glasses in the forest? So that you don't damage your eyes on twigs and branches? Ours will copy it - so they will copy it ... Like "Leica" from B-29 to Tu-4 ... Have seen enough militants ... Maybe there is a thermal imager mounted there?
    1. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 17 December 2012 12: 31
      +11
      Shield? I present to you the brainchild of the domestic defense industry: product 6b34, it is also anti-shatter glasses. They are a means of protection of the 1st class, serve as protection against shrapnel wounds to the eyes.

      And you can attach NVD to them.

      The first series on performance quality were simply miserable, but in 2012, the manufacturer corrected all the shortcomings and the quality became at the level.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 17 December 2012 15: 22
        +4
        + to everything ... a fight in the city ... a bullet hits the wall and eyes without glasses on the scribe are covered with dust and crumbs of concrete, brick ...
        And about the forest ... the fighter gets used to them and does not feel discomfort in combat conditions.
      2. Getto89
        Getto89 17 December 2012 19: 44
        0
        What kind of NVD? And how does it all look on a fighter?
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 17 December 2012 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: TRex
      Looked at the photo - at **** glasses in the forest? So that you don't damage your eyes on twigs and branches? Ours will copy it - so they will copy it ... Like "Leica" from B-29 to Tu-4 ... Have seen enough militants ... Maybe there is a thermal imager mounted there?


      Sorry! But you did not think before you say what you said. winked
      1. TRex
        TRex 18 December 2012 06: 27
        -1
        Well ... they threw minos ... From a practical point of view: I can’t imagine how a shooter can correctly aim at these glasses with our AK and SVD (M-16 is another matter).
        I do not deny the usefulness and necessity of their implementation.
        I reject stupid copying of "Americanisms" - the pictures are something like from an advertising brochure, there is not enough "Hummer" in the background.
    3. dmitreach
      dmitreach 17 December 2012 17: 36
      +5
      Firstly: the demand for t / b personally saw how the arrow flew a sleeve over the darling of tactical glasses. He "Asian" could not pick up glasses. There is a centimeter distance, but I got burned ...
      Secondly: When was the last time you walked through the forest, so what would be a group and in azimuth? Never when did a branch fly from "ahead of the breaking one" to the face? And the problem is topical to the point of banality.
      glasses is a mega thing useful for eye protection.
    4. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 19 December 2012 21: 52
      +1
      In KZ, points are already rely on the state. Slowly, slowly, they saturate the army with this useful device.
  15. taseka
    taseka 17 December 2012 10: 29
    +8
    Why do we all the time, exponentially push the form of special forces for the lemon, it will be the infantry that will be fighting - it needs to be paid more attention to!
    1. Samovar
      Samovar 17 December 2012 12: 40
      0
      Quote: taseka
      exponentially push the form of special forces for the lemon, it will be the infantry that will fight

      Firstly, not for a lemon, and secondly, special forces are the elite of the army and they carry out tasks much more difficult than those that go to the infantry and their equipment must be appropriate.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 17 December 2012 12: 59
        +9
        Samovar,
        I do not agree with you. The main burden of the war rests on the shoulders of ordinary infantry and to ignore the needs of ordinary soldiers at the expense of elite units is fundamentally wrong, or at least dead-end.
        1. Samovar
          Samovar 17 December 2012 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: Prometey
          The main burden of the war falls on the shoulders of ordinary infantry and ignore the needs of ordinary soldiers

          In war, it’s hard for everyone. I’m talking about those tasks that ordinary infantry cannot cope with (reconnaissance and sabotage operations, the release of hostages, etc.). No one says that infantry needs should be ignored, but special forces should have their own special equipment, specially tailored to the specifics of their actions.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 18 December 2012 07: 32
            0
            Quote: Samovar
            special forces should have their own special equipment, specially tailored to the specifics of his actions.

            Well, actually, no one argues with this. Only the infantry also has its own specifics of action, the main thing is that the interests of some do not infringe on the interests of others.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 17 December 2012 13: 23
          +4
          Dear Prometey, as the saying goes "not in an eyebrow, but in an eye", how many copies are broken on forums - tanks, planes, helicopters, armored personnel carriers-TBTR the richest army.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 18 December 2012 07: 35
            0
            Setrac
            I agree with you. And if you distort the classic quote a little - politicians start wars, and ordinary soldiers fight and end them.
  16. vagabo
    vagabo 17 December 2012 10: 36
    +3
    Anti-splinter glasses. In the forest m. and they are not very needed, but when in the city fragments, pebbles and other "dust" from bricks will fly in all directions, they will be very useful. It's good that they are included in the kit.
    1. Cadets
      Cadets 17 December 2012 12: 49
      +1
      In my practice, glasses are associated with riding on armor - this is where they are really needed.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 17 December 2012 17: 51
        +1
        So after all, stones also exist in the forest.
        whatever comes into the eye, whether the earth, the bark of a tree, a piece of concrete or a piece of slate is ALWAYS off topic and always superfluous.
        eyes must be protected.
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 17 December 2012 20: 44
      -2
      The usefulness of such glasses is a very controversial issue ... The same dust and dirt can also settle on their surface and will have to be removed and cleaned all the time !!! And the same pebbles and fragments can scratch them and then they just become unusable ... Further, they give glare and distortion and limit the view and spit fogging and condensation of moisture inside the glasses ...
      The glasses will probably be useful for fighting in the desert with sandstorms or during a snowstorm ...
      It seems to me that this part of the equipment will be applied purely individually by individual fighters, and on the contrary, they will only interfere with others ...
  17. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 17 December 2012 10: 41
    0
    as in one joke: "... it is not necessary to rearrange the beds, but to change ..." They have that the main problem of the military-industrial complex where to put the shoulder straps? and what to wear? and nothing, that tank factories in Primorye are collapsing, not a single new model of armed equipment has not been released, but not developed? all that we have is the legacy of the USSR ... it is clear that all power is for sale, and are Western pawns .... they have another 5 billion for this shoulder strap. and 13 bedroom apartments and diamonds for their secretaries will spend ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 17 December 2012 13: 34
      0
      Well, you are just like children, what, the concept of "military secret" was canceled? Who will tell you about the new technique? Pay attention to the example on VIKI if you look at old samples of equipment, then as a rule the number of copies released is indicated, but you will not find how many, for example, Sprut-B, or new howitzers, or at least mortars. Tray.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 17 December 2012 18: 01
      0
      Blad_21617, there was a generation of tourists who took old rags on their hikes. On the principle: "do not mind throwing it away." But it was during a shortage of goods.
      And if you were engaged in tourism ("wild"), then the problem of quality pants / slippers would be understandable to you. This is all the more true for the Soldier!
      Go to any sports store and discover the world of high-quality and expensive items. Try to equip yourself for the "winter LDPE" and you will understand that the soldier MUST be protected, and it costs money. It is trite, but about life.
      Have you ever carried half a hundred kg on yourself during the day? This is when the shoulders are rubbed into the inside.
      No matter how much they were stolen, if only the soldier was equipped for the Russian climate.
  18. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 17 December 2012 10: 47
    +3
    The most alarming thing is that the form has not yet been approved; there is already an order for sewing it - however ...
    Personally, I don’t really like all this ...
    1. core
      core 17 December 2012 19: 25
      +1
      this is for sure a new minister with his "team" (sorry, business interests). so if the puck does not sit still, our army will have a new uniform again.
  19. Slevinst
    Slevinst 17 December 2012 10: 48
    +2
    it’s not bad that they copied the American one; it just needs to be improved to our specification within a few years
  20. Dimani
    Dimani 17 December 2012 11: 29
    +2
    About two years ago I bought Propper pants, a gray number .... for going to the forest, I can say that they are not bad in terms of sewing quality and durability of the picture. The fabric is dense, resistant to abrasion, get wet in the rain for a long time, but also dry out quickly enough, the only minus in hot weather is the ass sweats just horror. smile
    1. Fox
      Fox 17 December 2012 13: 30
      0
      [quote = Dimani]


      the propper sews for the us army, and the market is sewn from other material, worse.
      1. Dimani
        Dimani 17 December 2012 13: 49
        0
        Og, there were two kinds of pants, one made of thin fabric, the other made of thick, plus additional fabric overlays were sewn into places with heavy wear. But there and there, the company Propper, Thick pants are just army. The quality is good in those in others.
  21. AK-47
    AK-47 17 December 2012 11: 36
    +2
    In conventional motorized rifle form elements naturally will be less.
    Small three rubles.
    Because their armor protects?
    The Americans do not have a division into the elite and cannon fodder; there the uniform of the military man is the same for everyone.
  22. IRBIS
    IRBIS 17 December 2012 11: 44
    +2
    Yudashkin, not Yudashkin ... Shoulder straps, or shoulder straps, or ass ... "Number", "cabbage" ...
    It seems that we have everything else, except the form, just in chocolate? Already so much attention, and most importantly the means, is given to this issue. Although, if you think about it, the problem is sucked out of the finger. There is world experience, our own development. It is time to come to the final version, and not to make people laugh by constantly changing clothes.
  23. RVSN209
    RVSN209 17 December 2012 11: 50
    +1
    I just don’t understand one thing than the old form (before the Yudashken) did not fit?
    1. Sirozha
      Sirozha 17 December 2012 18: 56
      0
      She is morally obsolete! There are new good ideas, materials and experience in using, do not be afraid of the new! It is just necessary to approach wisely, and not depending on the proposed gesheft, as we usually do.
  24. AK-47
    AK-47 17 December 2012 11: 50
    +1
    The form created by BTK Group was presented to Sergey Shoigu last week, and its development was completed back in 2011.

    Ay da Serdyukov everywhere ripened.
  25. quaygon
    quaygon 17 December 2012 12: 05
    -7
    "The domestic developers decided to sew in the zipper" right-handed ", as in the US. In our country, these zippers are called" female "because they are used only in women's clothing, and have never been used in military uniform. it is believed that in the event of an injury to a soldier it will be more convenient to unfasten them to other servicemen who will provide assistance to the wounded"
    I’m even embarrassed to ask what help ?????? laughing laughing laughing
    1. Recon
      Recon 17 December 2012 12: 38
      +5
      Continue to be shy, you will marry a smart one.
  26. volcano
    volcano 17 December 2012 12: 27
    +4
    My ... how much can you?
    The quality figure was more or less brought to mind ... I received a month ago, already from new batches .... quite nothing to myself .... compared to the first deliveries ...
    And with a new one ....... FEEL
    But it’s funny to read about first-aid kits .... like Amers have, but we don’t have ...... I will surprise ..... We ALSO have, as it were, for a minute ....
    1. core
      core 17 December 2012 19: 27
      0
      there is current in the safe, and not in the pocket of the pehurt.
      1. Felix200970
        Felix200970 18 December 2012 01: 40
        0
        Quote: core
        there is current in the safe, and not in the pocket of the pehurt.

        In the safe only painkillers. The rest to apply in everyday life - without meaning. And the value of AI, in fact, in a syringe tube and anesthetic
  27. pesec
    pesec 17 December 2012 12: 55
    0
    No one complains about the quality of the full dress uniform. On the amount of gold sewing, etc. No one wants the formal and everyday uniforms of officers of the Navy, Air Force and other military branches. This means that most of the samples of uniforms satisfy the contingent of military personnel. They ran into the field, and well, criticize her. More objectivity. And one must be more modest — a freebie for the military — is expensive for the country's population. And, remember that in the Russian army until 1917, officers bought their uniforms for their money.
    1. neznayka
      neznayka 17 December 2012 13: 22
      +1
      We now buy it for our (or sponsor's) money. Good equipment and uniforms have no price, because it is our life.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 17 December 2012 13: 29
      +2
      Bought for their own, yes. But only after that they also had enough for food, which is typical. Well, what about "free", but live a dozen or two years in the Arctic, run in perforated slippers and a thin cotton on a naked body on a frozen pier at -25 with the wind ... And even unscrew the light bulb in your own apartment so that in the holds turbine in the dark, do not twist your neck. Found freeloaders. You'd better calculate how much each Serdyukov slut cost to your budget with her chicks. Or is it sacred?
    3. volcano
      volcano 17 December 2012 16: 33
      0
      Quote: pesec
      And it’s more modest to be free-form for military personnel


      Yes, you are smart for years, I’ll look ....
      Maybe everyone will buy a standard weapon for himself?
      You don’t want to feed us ....... you will feed a fat black man who will tear ....... I will omit further but you understand (I hope)
    4. sniper
      sniper 17 December 2012 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: pesec
      More objectivity.

      Yes, not a question .... But objectivity is that you do not care about those who protect you and others like you. The soldier should fight with the enemy and not with climatic conditions and the uniform should provide the most comfortable conditions regardless of the price ...
      1. pesec
        pesec 17 December 2012 23: 13
        0
        I’m paying attention not to the soldier’s uniform (he himself dragged kerzachs and drawers in ties). And for: more than 34 items included in the set of uniforms for officers, on a natural astrakhan fur on hats and collars, on 5 percent gilding of ceremonial belts, etc. Without these bells and whistles, combat capability certainly cannot be achieved. Or can I get by?
        1. Felix200970
          Felix200970 18 December 2012 01: 47
          0
          Quote: pesec
          Without these bells and whistles, combat capability certainly cannot be achieved. Or can I get by?

          You can't do without these bells and whistles. Painfully, it looks like a civilian caftan. In a full dress uniform, a bunch of elements have their meaning that are not clear to the civilian eye. It is enough to look at a soldier and you know this "hey colonel" "colonel" or "comrade colonel"
  28. neznayka
    neznayka 17 December 2012 13: 17
    +9
    Quote: Recon
    until the military themselves say which form is more convenient

    After all, they are also different. Here I am, for example, nothing wrong with the absence of shoulder straps on my camouflage I do not see. During socks, I never lost a single star, I didn’t tear off any epaulettes and didn’t wipe the straps of my rather expensive backpack, when you put on your armor in the summer and the stars’s outfits don’t try to pierce you through. In general, convenient. And here is one colonel who the machine gun already finds out with difficulty, walks around and is indignant, you see, not everyone immediately notices that he is a colonel.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 17 December 2012 13: 44
      +1
      And what is "digital" camouflage for? For blurring the silhouette and making aiming difficult? And here, as a gift for a terrorist, shoulder straps with insignia. Not only is it easier to aim, but you can immediately estimate the size of the premium
    2. Igor
      Igor 17 December 2012 13: 46
      0
      Quote: neznayka
      For example, I see nothing wrong with the absence of shoulder straps on my camouflage. During socks, I never lost a single star, I didn’t tear off any epaulettes and didn’t wipe the straps of my rather expensive backpack, when you put on your armor in summer and the equipment of the star doesn’t try to pierce you through


      It’s strange when I served as officers that had painted stars on uniform and only in full dress were real metal stars, and contract sergeants had exactly the same with their strings.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 19 December 2012 22: 01
        0
        Russians just need to do as we have - shoulder straps without fittings, and let them draw or embroider stars. This is more practical.
    3. Navy7981
      Navy7981 17 December 2012 14: 21
      0
      ... Colonel, with the eyes of a surprised jerboa looked at the machine ... so what are you, wink AK ... wink
      Alas, there are many such hey colonels. When people fall into positions not thanks to knowledge, competence, ability to make right decisions, but to cunning. Unfortunately, negative selection for positions in the peacetime army is inevitable. It was in the Empire, it was in the USSR, and now it is only with more cynicism and meanness. But fortunately, it is worth noting that there are competent, smart and decisive officers and generals in the Armed Forces, and everything rests on them.
  29. Clueless
    Clueless 17 December 2012 13: 35
    +2
    But are Velcro on the American uniform for insignia? if my memory serves me right, then the Velcro on the collar serves for other purposes

    there is a Velcro on the cuff on the arm, and Velcro on the collar; if wounded, the Velcro from the cuff is unfastened, and clings to the collar (the arm itself is bent), thereby fixing the arm

    or did I confuse the form? :)
  30. SIT
    SIT 17 December 2012 14: 03
    +10
    But if you look at the state form in development. Vietnam - 4 pockets on a tunic and a collar. Olive color. Tiger stripes are only with the USSF. After the 83rd, everyone already has camouflage, but the same cut. We look at the ACU. Stand-up collar, only chest pockets. Lightning appeared instead of buttons. If you put the unloading on, then this lightning will rub the body, especially if you don’t completely fasten it while running (the thread will get into the teeth) and the lower or upper runner will fall under the unloading or bronik. It remains to remove the zipper to hell and leave the bottom solid, and unfasten only the top to quickly pull over your head and not fool with all kinds of fasteners - try awake to get one half of the zipper into the other and then fasten so that it does not jam. So, as a result, we get a stand-up collar with Velcro and a detachable top to the chest, also with Velcro. Chest pockets. Doesn’t resemble anything? Correctly! Guessed it! This will be the Soviet tunic of 1943, only made of modern materials and in camouflage. Damn, we will wait, when US ARMY will come to this and then we will share with them, or all the same we will look for prophets in own Fatherland?
  31. Pelican
    Pelican 17 December 2012 14: 11
    +1
    We are developing a new tradition. Every five years we change shape. All at once.
  32. Russian sniper
    Russian sniper 17 December 2012 14: 35
    +1
    You may be indignant, but in my opinion, in addition to our form, they do not change anything else at this speed, but I would like to stop Now, if you check, then how much of any equipment could be changed every five years. what
    1. Astrey
      Astrey 17 December 2012 17: 10
      +1
      The most belligerent - conducts an ongoing program for the development of an infantry form. The renewal period is 3 years.

      We praise the Lord that such periods of renewal of military equipment are not relevant to us. And the stock of MOBILE coffins throughout the CIS is insignificant
  33. Nikor
    Nikor 17 December 2012 15: 05
    +3
    There is no difference who borrowed the main thing so that the soldiers did not need to invent, replace or customize something later in the field.
  34. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 17 December 2012 16: 54
    0
    With lightning seems to be too smart
  35. Equatusty
    Equatusty 17 December 2012 17: 04
    -2
    adult porn http://www.zrel-porn.ru/
  36. david210512
    david210512 17 December 2012 18: 26
    -1
    immediately see .new min. defense got down to business
  37. Administrator
    Administrator 17 December 2012 18: 33
    -2
    The Ministry of Defense stupidly opened the pictures of "Modern Armies of the World" and said I want everyone to look something like this.
    Nothing new, no breakthrough and distinction. Now we look exactly like in the Of Of Duty. Maybe even from there we got it.
  38. Sirozha
    Sirozha 17 December 2012 18: 53
    +4
    I completely agree that there is nothing wrong with using the achievements of the same Americans. Moreover, these developments have been tested in battle, and not in cabinets. If only the fighters were convenient and comfortable in various temperature conditions! Respect, if only the comrades in the offices did not overreach everything.
  39. Kir
    Kir 17 December 2012 19: 22
    +2
    In general, all the same with all that has been said, several questions arise:
    1! For what our universities produce fashion designers, if we still copy or create based on
    2! For those who used the question, do the glasses reduce the review, this is the first, second and third fogging and clouding, as far as I understand they are made of some kind of plexiglass, which means they can’t but cloud
    3! If we already went the wrong way, maybe we will not produce materials but purchase them, or stupidly under a license !! And then, in general, we’ll take everything from a foreign development!
    And ultimately, let's cook in our educational institutions only low-skilled tolerant towards all, and especially the owners of hard workers! You are the proponents of the borrowing of this want, then for how to protect the Fatherland if so anyway !!!
  40. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 17 December 2012 20: 43
    0
    In terms of the form of amers ahead of everyone and there is nothing shameful in borrowing something useful from the adversaries. In the photo, camouflage on the very form clearly outperforms camouflage on unloads and helmets (too dark, like for the jungle)
    1. Kir
      Kir 18 December 2012 13: 55
      0
      Although I put you +, I will correct it, most likely helmets with either a summer or "Caucasian" or cam there it, and I saw the "jungle" color live, just in our MTI-MGTA-MGTU named after Kosygin, two were from Africa, and so they "flaunted" camouflage "their own or their own countries, I will report to you such a riot of colors !!!
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 24 December 2012 17: 18
        -1
        God be with them, with the jungle, but this greenback is clearly unsuccessful, it will not be suitable for the summer or for the Caucasus. From a distance, this figure looks just a green form, and eventually fades away. The color in the photo seems to me more successful.
  41. Selevc
    Selevc 17 December 2012 20: 56
    0
    He even learns from the enemy - this was said back in the days of Ancient Rome ... But it’s known who fools learn from their mistakes !!!
  42. APASUS
    APASUS 17 December 2012 22: 13
    +6
    I am very glad that a modern uniform is appearing in our country. Nowadays, the uniform looked wretched, and its functionality, let's say not so. The vest was terribly uncomfortable and we often pulled out plates from it, for relief. The only relaxation of the commanders when they closed their voices on sneakers. A sample for comparison
  43. Selevc
    Selevc 17 December 2012 22: 54
    0
    In addition, Russia saved on pockets for ballpoint pens located on the left sleeve


    That's really - they saved so much they saved ... And probably they will save so much on a countrywide scale :))))))))) Now, if those great economists moved from their geldings, at least to the Volga, the savings would be better .. And here do you see the extra pens for them - these are morons !!!
  44. Selevc
    Selevc 17 December 2012 23: 44
    +1
    Any stupidity said with a serious look under the applause of a crowd of hypocrites generates a huge lump of lies that breaks the most good undertakings

    Cornelius Tacitus
  45. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 December 2012 23: 44
    +3
    I’ll just say one thing. Did the form take part in hostilities / field exercises? Not? So it's too early to say. At the beginning, they also sang a lot about the number ...
  46. pinachet
    pinachet 18 December 2012 14: 04
    0
    in the pictures the "number" is more fun than the first samples. I wonder what the quality is, I had a set of the first samples of the number, so it didn’t last a year. It all came apart at the seams (especially the pants!) there were only three stitches by one cm!
  47. vovanrusich
    vovanrusich 18 December 2012 22: 53
    -6
    The first photo from the field test!
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 29 January 2013 23: 53
      0
      Vovan, you made a mistake on the site.
  48. Cadets
    Cadets 19 December 2012 01: 44
    0
    In my memory (from the deadline in the eighties, to the service of today), after the hebashka (cotton) there was an "experimental", then she was "Afghan", then camouflage (aka "lump"), then "digit", (not I take Chechnya - "birches", "dusk", "NATO", etc.). The same half-form will probably be called "American"! winked
  49. maxondorkin
    maxondorkin 19 December 2012 13: 03
    0
    Well, at the end, we’ll get rid of this glass that we now wear good
  50. phantom359
    phantom359 19 December 2012 17: 31
    0
    Have you made a good shape in Suzesspetsnashnosti? Why was there something to come up with if ready-made good samples were? Nothing to do. Yes, and examined the figure - normal. For those who whine, let them run in hb a la SA, but in the cold they would ski like the most interesting thing, no one was sick and did not ache.