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Reports from the staff "fronts" of the Ministry of Defense

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More than a month has passed since that moment in Russia there was a change of ministers of defense. Sergei Shoigu replaced Anatoly Serdyukov and decided to make serious personnel changes in the leadership of the entire ministry and in the format of its individual departments. Information is regularly received that the so-called “Serdyukovsk environment” gradually goes into history, and instead of having had time to fill the teeth of the teeth of the “military professional women” - female managers, in fact, who have nothing in common with the Russian army, they occupy leading posts, I want to believe, worthy people. I want to believe…

No ... It’s not that all the people from the environment of the former minister were completely unworthy, but it just so happened that the ladies ’contingent acted in a way that could hardly be called productive. Moreover, actions of this nature manifested themselves literally in all sectors with which the main military department came into contact with and in contact: from military medicine and education to the sale of property of the Ministry of Defense and even soldier's “grub”.

The latest reports from the personnel "fronts" of the Ministry of Defense are as follows.

The commander of the Russian airborne troops, General Shamanov, will remain at his post. Many readers will say: well, so is it newsAfter all, Shamanov was not going anywhere to leave his post. Vladimir Anatolyevich himself, perhaps, was not going to leave, but with the former defense minister he often had almost open conflicts, which led to the fact that Shamanov was planning to transfer to another area of ​​work - to the CSTO Joint Headquarters. There were versions that it was Anatoly Serdyukov who decided to send an obstinate general away from the Ministry of Defense to demonstrate his own ability to control the fate of the commanders as he pleased. Perhaps, the command of the Airborne Forces planned to transfer into the hands of another lover of fashionable hairstyles, apartments in the center of Moscow and diamonds acquired with financial resources of dubious origin. After the scandalous stories being revealed in the main military department, it is already difficult to be surprised at anything ...

Whether there was a real conflict between Shamanov and Serdyukov, which (the conflict) gave rise to talks about the “excommunication” of the general from the Ministry of Defense, or is it a portion of the criticism of “after” the ex-minister who left his place, it is difficult to say. Yes, in principle, there is no need, because a source in the Ministry of Defense declares that Shamanov does not go to the CSTO. In general, the combat general remains in the Airborne Forces, and this fact is good news.

But if everything remained the same with the leadership of the Airborne Forces, then on the other flank of the Defense Ministry’s activity, the leadership changed in Voentorg. Another “ministerial lady”, Marina Lopatina, lost her post. The decision to dismiss was taken personally by Sergei Shoigu. At least, that’s what Deputy Hinstein thinks. Instead of the former head, Vladimir Pavlov will take the chair of the general director of Voentorg. This information is provided by the head of the Department of Property Relations, Mr. Kurakin.

On the question of why Lopatin decided to remove Lopatin from his post, the deputy from the LDPR faction in the State Duma Andrei Lugovoi quite specifically answers. The deputy states that Lopatina was directly related to the corruption schemes related to the provision of Russian military personnel. Lugovoy, without hesitating his words, declares: “While we are sitting here with you, I’m not afraid to say this, in Voentorg, 50 billion rubles are jerking around.”

Apparently, the all-Russian tendency to expose, which often ends with endless grinding of information about corruption, but does not lead to real criminal punishment of the perpetrators, has now reached the State Duma.
Mr Lugovoy says that Voentorg worked under a scheme of lack of competition in terms of providing outsourcing services in the army, which caused irreparable damage and even undermined defenses.

As usual, so far no evidence of the theft of money has been provided, which, in principle, fits into the designated trend of a very specific fight against corruption activities in Russia. The tendency today is something like this: a person or a group of people appears who post very loud information about the facts of corruption. Further, this information is disseminated through the media. A grandiose social wave is rising with calls for “shooting everyone,” “planting,” or “hanging for a particular place.” Investigators report that the facts are verified. Some politicians claim that such facts have been known for many years. And then a wave of popular wrath rests on such a wall as the unexpectedly manifested innocence of the accused ... They say that people are not guilty, and that's all ...

In such a situation, you can feel yourself in broad daylight falling into a big, shaky slush, because it turns out that we sort of slandered people, and we took this bait. And immediately after that, we can still be presented with such a trick: they say, one should not be so naive to believe all those who claim corruption. Vaughn - already Evgenia Vasilyeva’s father turned up. It turns out that he is so rich that he can spend buying up multi-million apartments and other goods, and his daughter worked for mere pennies and was dependent on her father until 33 years. Something like that ... People kind of call us: friends, repent that you put a shadow on the fence, slandered why the head of Oboronservis and the head of department, who never heard anything about underestimating “non-core” real estate, was in vain. its sale to affiliated companies with Oboronservis.

It turns out that Deputy Lugovoi cannot be trusted either. But how can it turn out like this: you will believe him, and then the same song: investigators in the apartment of the former head of Voentorg, interrogations, arrests, and then a certain person will appear in the prospect who will say that Voentorg the fiercest press of competition, and that the liberal Democrat Andrei Lugovoi seriously confused something ...

In general, the fight against corruption enters the phase of the Brazilian soap opera, where in the end everyone will definitely be happy, have a bad life, give birth to children and, with snow-white smiles, will appear in the final frame. Someone will fall under the inevitable amnesty, someone will be released directly in the courtroom, and someone will receive a suspended sentence, after which he will be in at least a grain position than the one he held before the corruption scandal.

In general, the personnel policy of the Ministry of Defense is changing. Question: which way? If this is the case when the sum does not change as a result of changing places, then it becomes bitter and sad. That is why I want to get unequivocal answers neither from Andrei Lugovoy, nor from Alexander Hinstein, or even from Nikolai Vasilyev who loves his daughter, but the answers from the investigation: so who the hell is to blame for the slip of the army reform? Or slip - there is also a part of the plan that someone mistakenly confused with corruption cases ...
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  1. Sarus
    Sarus 17 December 2012 08: 07
    +15
    You can not sit down ..
    Just make a forfeiture in state revenue and let go for free bread ..
    Moreover, the confiscation should be with interest. Well we live in a market economy
    1. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 17 December 2012 08: 46
      +6
      but better to plant too
      1. not good
        not good 17 December 2012 13: 00
        +3
        It’s really safer to land. It’s really impossible to confiscate everything, something is probably hidden in offshore zones. And it’s like there is money, but you’ll not go around in jail.
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 17 December 2012 09: 35
      +11
      Sarus,
      No! The punishment must be real!
      You understand that they confiscate it in favor of the state, and someone again it is already state-owned in a quiet and privatized for nothing! It turns out just a transfer or simply expropriation by officials of each other's national property! Without punishment, all this fight against corruption is worthless!
    3. Fox 070
      Fox 070 17 December 2012 09: 48
      +19
      Quote: Sarus
      You can not sit down ..

      Quote: slav4ikus
      but better to plant too

      Colleagues! I’ll put only one demo on your sincere wishes, so that all sorts of illusions disappear from you ... hi
      1. 755962
        755962 17 December 2012 10: 13
        +4
        And when our president realizes a simple thought: for corruption officials should never be removed. They need to be hung.
        1. Nicola
          Nicola 17 December 2012 17: 53
          +1
          The subordinate was stolen, his head must resign! Unless of course he is not involved in the theft process.
        2. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 18 December 2012 12: 13
          +1
          In the Celestial Empire, they simply shoot and send an invoice to their relatives for a bullet. However, this does not lead to the eradication of corruption. It is very tempting to derban the state property, and even as an organized group. After all, not all come across, but only those who are surrendered by former "comrades" in business. In the West, corruption is simply formalized in a civilized manner, for example, in the form of consulting services. And as you can imagine, man. all his life he humiliated himself, licked other people's asses, betrayed "friends", changed groups and patrons, finally, he fell for it ... It's a difficult problem ...
          1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
            Mihaylo Tishayshiy 18 December 2012 20: 42
            0
            If you do not fight evil, because it is "indestructible", then it will also become "all-embracing"!
      2. terp 50
        terp 50 17 December 2012 10: 43
        +1
        ... yeah, whoa ... will die! Ryashka, I suppose not to cheat in a week ...
      3. Ross
        Ross 17 December 2012 10: 52
        +2
        Fox 070,
        Felix hello!
        Soap Brazilian opera in full swing.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 17 December 2012 13: 35
          +1
          Quote: Ross
          Soap Brazilian opera in full swing.

          Aha! And in the end, everyone will be left with "white-toothed smiles" and with their own interests at large! No.
    4. Botanologist
      Botanologist 17 December 2012 13: 45
      +4
      The article is somehow muddy. Shoigu permutations and corruption with continuation were mixed in one pile.

      In general, the personnel policy of the Ministry of Defense is changing. Question: which way? ... That is why I want to get clear answers from Andrei Lugovoi, neither from Alexander Khinshtein, nor even from his daughter who loves his daughter Nikolai Vasiliev, and the answers are from the investigation: who the hell is to blame for the slipping of the army reform?

      Speaking objectively, after the initiation of criminal cases, Shoigu has nothing to do with the investigation, except to mask the investigation. His tasks are to strengthen the army, and not run around the dismissed ladies and take testimony from them.
      And about the slip - 20 years have not just skidded, but generally rolled down, which now require Shoigu to answer all questions in a month. We look and draw conclusions on how he will understand the economy.
  2. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 17 December 2012 08: 10
    +4
    Correctly Kozhukhetovich sweeps out the stool's bedding with a filthy broom. You look after half a year will put things in order in the "brothel burning during the flood" order, may those who wear shoulder straps forgive me, but the chief on stools from the armed forces tried very hard to do what I mentioned.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 December 2012 09: 05
      +7
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Correctly Kozhukhetovich sweeps a filthy broom of stools of litter.

      They removed Lopatina, installed Pavlov. And the system remained the same, only the pocket changed. The Bulgakov (rear) -Voyentorg scheme remained. And the outsourcing that Bulgakov was intensively promoting did not go away.
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 17 December 2012 09: 57
        +5
        Quote: baltika-18
        They removed Lopatina, put Pavlov.

        Hi Nikolay! Nobody will change the system, especially the debugged one. They will simply appoint (and already appoint) people to key posts who will "correctly" divide the considerable budgetary funds.
        Math rule "THE AMOUNT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM THE POSITIONING OF THE SEATS OF THE VALUE" acts in our politics, starting with the presidential election and further down the list. recourse
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 17 December 2012 10: 34
          +2
          Quote: Fox 070
          Mathematical rule "THE AMOUNT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM POSITIONING THE SUMMARY"

          Hi Felix! good
        2. Curculum
          Curculum 17 December 2012 11: 24
          +2
          Quote: Fox 070
          The mathematical rule "THE AMOUNT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM POSITIONING THE SEATS OF THE ADDRESSED" is valid in our policy

          This rule is for primitive actions in mathematics. I dare to remind you that in mathematics, there are also more used other actions than addition / subtraction, which allow you to determine the result in a much shorter period of time, and the more difficult the task, the more noticeable the difference in time. The same is "in our politics," and not "in ours," and in politics in general. wink
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 17 December 2012 13: 43
            +1
            Quote: Kurkul
            This rule is for primitive actions in mathematics. I dare to remind you

            And what. Does our domestic policy abound in any kind of sophistication? Everything is quite primitive: Take more, throw in your pocket and do not forget the boss! That’s all wisdom.
            И THANKS GREAT FOR REMINDERalthough the Soviet education system (both high school and higher) allowed me to still do without cheat sheets. hi
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 17 December 2012 22: 20
              +1
              Quote: Fox 070
              Everything is quite primitive: Take more, throw in your pocket and do not forget the boss! That’s all wisdom.

              I call it differently - greed, which is always primitive and is not divided into "yours-ours".
              Quote: Fox 070
              although the Soviet education system (both high school and higher) have allowed me to still do without cheat sheets.

              + 100%! (I myself am). drinks
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 17 December 2012 17: 23
        +5
        Quote: baltika-18
        .Because the Bulgakov scheme (rear) -Voyentorg remained. And the outsourcing that Bulgakov intensively promoted did not go anywhere.


        Nikolay, remember how it all began in 2008. Serdyukov began by sharply criticizing and discrediting the generals who headed the rear unit, in particular, Army General Grebenyuk, who served as the head of the unscrewing and outposting service, got it. Formally, the hospital in the Kamchatka submariners' village in Vilyuchinsk was not completed by the deadline specified by the president of the Russian Federation. And the head of GlavKEU, Colonel-General Viktor Vlasov, who temporarily acted as the dismissed Grebenyuk for no reason took and shot himself vacating a key position to Serdyukov's henchmen Shevtsova and Vasilyeva. It was after this that Bulgakov ceased to object to the creation of Oboronservis and the transfer to this superholding of about 60 State Unitary Enterprise of the Ministry of Defense, previously subordinate to the rear, while at the same time, in the rank of Deputy Ministry of Defense, he was practically eliminated from real power and cash flows in everything he supported and justified the need for Serdyukov reforms. By the way, this house in Molochny Lane was listed on the balance sheet of the GlavKEU and one of its branches was located there since Soviet times. This organization itself, like the entire IES system (KECh) in the troops, did not differ in crystal purity and enjoyed a bad reputation among the military and caused irritation with outright bureaucracy in a vkeupe with extortion (I know what I am talking about because I had to face up to the courts). in Moscow or the region, give at least 5 thousand. American rubles just to get on the priority list.
        Exactly the fight against corruption in the housing of officers And Serdyukov justified his reforms, the elimination of KEU and IES with ITS and the transfer of their entire economy to a single holding "Oboronservis" and the creation of separate Departments in the structure of the Ministry of Defense under their own accountants. Moreover, all the main thieves from the KECh smoothly flowed from the KECh and the rear organizations to the Oboronservis structures. We got rid of the unwanted and "strangers" and those who actively resisted. That's all. Now Bulgakov will also support Shoigu if he remains. A very "convenient" general.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 17 December 2012 17: 41
          +5
          Now the actual building in Molochny Lane. Under Serdyukov, the GlavKEU was evicted from the house, and the building was renovated at the expense of the Ministry “Worth tens of millions of dollars”. Allegedly, they were going to open the minister’s office, but they didn’t open it. As a result, the house was rebuilt so that it had a swimming pool, sauna, fitness center and 6 luxury apartments, and it was sold to a certain commercial structure .. as a result, the apartments went to Mr. Serdyukov, his sister and brother-in-law, as well as - the same Vasilyeva, (to his mistress, as it turned out). But it is noteworthy that the parent organization of the Main Housing and Operational Administration is now occupying a building in a much less prestigious area of ​​Moscow - on Matrosskaya Tishina Street, near the famous pre-trial detention center. Strange collisions are presented by fate .. Now, out of nowhere, a rich dad, an oilman, shouted — she bought an apartment here for her daughter with her own money .. It’s not getting ridiculous but sad that we are being hung up with ears .. What will we wait for further attempts Investigations and acquittals.
          1. DmitriRazumov
            DmitriRazumov 18 December 2012 12: 29
            +1
            It should be borne in mind that Serdyukov did not command the Ministry of Defense on the Moon, but under the strict guidance of VVP and DAM. I do not think that his actions were not under the control of the FSB, the Investigative Committee and other structures that have ears and eyes everywhere. However, for 5 years he was quietly listed in the squad of "effective" managers. And today, for some reason, the investigation does not touch him and even at the official level declares that he did not know about the actions of his subordinates. Who are they holding us for?
            The change of leadership of the Defense Ministry by and large does not solve anything ... Moreover, Shoigu never served in the army, like his predecessor.
            1. bddrus
              bddrus 19 December 2012 05: 54
              0
              I have a constant question about this: "Why is all this being promoted?" If they did not want to touch Serdyukov, then this story would not have surfaced, but why then do they not touch him? When they shout - Yeah, etozh VVp put him, and he steal - but sorry - it turns out that we still have an independent investigation, which took and revealed such a level contrary to the president? I doubt it.
              dirt politics - dirt
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 17 December 2012 18: 29
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Nikolay, remember how it all began in 2008.

          I know this story very well. You are right.
  3. Gregazov
    Gregazov 17 December 2012 08: 30
    +3
    I have no words. There are thoughts and hopes. But the glass is most likely half empty.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 17 December 2012 10: 18
      0
      Quote: GregAzov
      the glass is probably half empty.

      Do you know, Gregory, who is a pessimist? This is a well-informed optimist. And now the sea of ​​information ...
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 17 December 2012 08: 36
    +7
    "House arrest"This bitch pisses me off the most and gives rise to INCREDIBLE power!
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 17 December 2012 08: 48
      0
      Did you believe? do you still believe?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 08: 55
        +6
        Quote: valokordin
        Did you believe? do you still believe?

        I used to believe, and after everything that happens, I want to believe, but no one request
        1. yustas
          yustas 17 December 2012 09: 58
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I used to believe, and after everything that happens, I want to believe, but no one

          + Alexander, but what about self-confidence?
          I already somehow commented on one of the articles that after all this, I really want to take my own, put on the goblin and work, it should be g .... someday it will end, the main thing is that bk is enough ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 10: 03
            +2
            Quote: yustas
            Alexander, what about self-confidence?

            Well, faith in yourself is, if it will not exist, then it’s not worth living. With regards to when it ends, well, not before people have a conscience. hi
        2. Cadet787
          Cadet787 17 December 2012 22: 22
          0
          Hi Sasha!
          The steam is released and that’s all over, no one will be planted. It’s just a shame, the people don’t put their power in anything.
  5. Vasily79
    Vasily79 17 December 2012 08: 36
    +2
    By Author Volodin Alexei Dear, could you reduce all the decrees, orders, dismissals and other actions of Shoigu as a counterbalance or corrections of Serdyukov’s affairs for any period? Thank.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 17 December 2012 10: 28
      +4
      Quote: Vasily79
      all decrees, orders, dismissals and other actions of Shoigu as opposed to or corrections of Serdyukov’s affairs for any period

      Secret Information bully From open sources:
      "Shoigu canceled the move of the Kirov Military Medical Academy from the historical center of St. Petersburg to the Leningrad Region. The merger of a number of universities on the basis of the Mozhaisky Military Academy in St. Petersburg was stopped. And on December 7, he was relieved of the post of head of the Department of Education of the Ministry of Defense. Ekaterina Priezzheva, who was one of the initiators of the transfer of the Zhukovsky and Gagarin academy to Voronezh The fate of the recently established military educational and scientific center of the Air Force "Air Force Academy named after Professor NE Zhukovsky and YA Gagarin" The fact is that the new Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has already canceled dozens of decisions of his predecessor Anatoly Serdyukov in a month of work, including those concerning the property of the Ministry of Defense and military education. moe-online.ru/view/237540.html \
      The Ministry of Defense is completing organizational and staffing activities related to the modernization of the troop command and control system; a number of departments previously headed by people (mostly women) who are especially close to Anatoly Serdyukov will be transformed into departments, which will be led by military commanders. Major General Ivan Buvaltsev, who is the first deputy chief of the Main Directorate for Combat Training and Service of the Armed Forces, is planned for the post of head of the reconstituted Main Directorate of Combat Training (GUBP), the current deputy commander of the Western Military District (ZVO) is planned. Candidates for the direction of the military scientific and innovative work in the army as a whole on the scale of the Armed Forces will be supervised by Deputy Minister of Defense Colonel-General Oleg Ostapenko, who previously headed one of the most technologically advanced branches of the Armed Forces - the Aerospace Defense Forces . Instead of Colonel General Valery Gerasimov (in November he was appointed chief of the General Staff), Lieutenant General Nikolai Bogdanovsky can be appointed the new commander of the Central Military District (CVO).: Http: //www.ng.ru/nvo/2008-2010- 2012 / 12_shoigu.html
      Minister Sergei Shoigu at one of the meetings instructed to work out a proposal for the return of the Navy Commander-in-Chief to Moscow. If this happens, one of the most controversial decisions of Shoigu's predecessor - Anatoly Serdyukov - will be canceled. For the Navy Commander-in-Chief, the building must have all the channels of stable special communications with the 109th Central Communications Center (KP-TsUS109) in Balashikha. From there, all naval headquarters, coastal services and ships on the high seas are managed. There are ready-made communication lines with Balashikha only in Bolshoi Kozlovsky Lane, "he said. Izvestia has already written that the Navy’s commander-in-chief, while in St. Petersburg, has lost secure communications with ships at sea, and communications must be maintained with the help of international Inmarsat operators and Iridium. At the same time, KP-TsUSS109 and a powerful antenna field in the Moscow region, which were created for decades, are practically not used after moving to St. Petersburg.
      : http://izvestia.ru/news/541533#ixzz2FHpKrbDa
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 17 December 2012 10: 30
        +7
        Quote: Kaa
        From open sources

        MOSCOW, Dec 14 - RIA News. The head of the Russian military department, Army General Sergei Shoigu, ordered the creation of centers for unmanned aerial vehicles and robotics in the Russian Ministry of Defense, spokeswoman for the Russian Defense Minister Daria Zatulina told reporters on Friday.
        According to Zatulina, already on December 17, at the direction of Sergei Shoigu, the Russian Defense Ministry experts will put into trial operation all-terrain vehicles and mine clearing equipment from manufacturing plants and the Ministry of Emergencies.
        "The minister also instructed to create a center for unmanned aerial vehicles. On both instructions, in the near future, the minister will be presented with proposals on the location of the centers, their tasks, described the requirements for the equipment purchased in the centers," Zatulina added.
        Earlier on Friday, Shoigu and Russian Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov visited the 294th Leader Special Risk Operations Center. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense got acquainted with the robotics, which is in service with the Ministry of Emergencies. The military department is considering the creation of such units.
        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/science/20121214/914779272.html#ixzz2FHqUpwms
        1. Vasily79
          Vasily79 17 December 2012 11: 40
          0
          Thank you Kaa, but this is only part, but I would like for more details and with analytics
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 17 December 2012 13: 01
            0
            Quote: Vasily79
            but I would like for more details and with analytics

            I repeat
            Quote: Kaa
            Secret Information

            And analysts are generally a caste ... (not "analytege") No.
        2. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 18 December 2012 12: 45
          0
          Now it’s clear where the funds allocated for arming and equipping the Army will go. Shoigu is trying to attach the technique. no one needs to develop a cotr., huge funds have been spent in the framework of the Ministry of Emergencies (kickbacks and the corruption component, respectively, no one will appreciate). It remains only to hang on MO 112, fire extinguishing, etc. However, not so long ago in the Soviet Union they were perfectly fine without the Ministry of Emergencies. Fire departments performed tasks within the Ministry of Internal Affairs and, therefore, there were no administrative barriers between the police and firefighters. now they have become a reinforced concrete obstacle in the framework of the development of System 112. But the military was connected in case of emergency according to special plans and no special laws and by-laws were needed.
    2. Volodin
      17 December 2012 13: 02
      +3
      Vasily, thanks for the offer. It will be possible to do. True, we are here systematically reviewing Shoigu’s steps in the new post, including dismissals (if possible with analytics). In general, it will be possible to sum up the results of a certain period when decrees and orders will be translated into reality (or will not begin ...)
  6. reading
    reading 17 December 2012 08: 48
    +3
    Not begging for Shoigu's merits, but it seems that his appointment is not intended to clean up the "Augean stables", but to create new financial schemes (otherwise, in our country in "market" years does not happen). And the fact that the press and the deputies are happily running "in front of the horse" revealing the facts of embezzlement is another confirmation of this. If there are facts of embezzlement, then why the hype, let the investigators work quietly ("listen," the opera ends will be found and linked into a scheme, witnesses will be found, expert examinations will be conducted, etc.), and then from the courtroom they will specifically prove to the people where, who and to what extent he stole. And so, I agree with the author of the article - another "soap opera", which will take away the last hopes of citizens for fair actions by the authorities and the judicial system.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 19 December 2012 05: 59
      0
      which will take away the last hopes of citizens for the just actions of the authorities and the judiciary. - sometimes it seems that this is the goal - to anger people, otherwise it is not clear why to bring such a high-profile case to the public and let it go on the brakes!
  7. Apollo
    Apollo 17 December 2012 09: 14
    +9
    A. Serdyukov somehow reminds me of the former Prime Minister of Italy, Berslusconi. The same loving and partial to the female sex. Apparently wanted to surpass, wondering how Serdyukov’s wife relates to the adventures of her Don-Juan ?!

    But seriously, sadly, the country and the people entrusted such an important post on which the country's defense depends. In the days of Stalin, they would definitely put it on the wall.

    Alexey, thanks for the article, the answer to the rhetorical questions posed by you ... will be the words (at the end) of the film "Irony of Fate or Enjoy Your Bath""wait and see"
  8. rennim
    rennim 17 December 2012 09: 33
    +4
    "Information is regularly received that the so-called" Serdyukov environment "is gradually disappearing into history, and instead of the" military professionals "who have managed to fill their teeth - female managers, in fact, have nothing to do with the Russian army ..."

    Once again, I want to ask Mr. Putin how such people could turn out, including in skirts at the Ministry of Defense. After all, he personally signed the documents on their appointment ???
    1. mamba
      mamba 17 December 2012 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: rennim
      Once again, I want to ask Mr. Putin how such people could turn out, including in skirts at the Ministry of Defense. After all, he personally signed the documents on their appointment ???

      Throughout the civilized world it is accepted that the head is responsible for the actions of subordinates. But not with us. Well, just like Duremar: "I have nothing to do with it ..."
      Putin, in his premiership or presidency, may not have personally engaged in the appointment of the Amazons in the Moscow Region, but as the head of Serdyukov he is obliged to answer for all his "art". Moreover, Serdyukov himself was the protector.
      As for the opinion of DAM about Serdyukov, it is, of course, secondary and is the first derivative of the opinion of GDP, which, however, does not relieve him of responsibility.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 17 December 2012 09: 51
    0
    Well done, Shoigu! He got a "wonderful place". God willing - it will be raked. But the fact that embezzlers need to be imprisoned for a decent period, together with the confiscation of property - is unambiguous! And it will be like Kuchma's with Lazarenko - "He came, lay at his feet, repented, I felt humanly sorry for him and I let him go" If there are realistic terms, then others will be afraid to steal! And there is no need even to Siberia (there is nothing to pollute the nature there). Shovel in hand and under escort to clear the streets in Moscow - snow drifts - wow!
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 19 December 2012 06: 01
      -2
      hardly "weirder" than in the Ministry of Emergencies laughing
  10. Sarus
    Sarus 17 December 2012 10: 00
    +2
    Like Egoza .. We don’t need such people in Siberia ...
    We are here ourselves somehow)) .. let them steal where and work out ..
    How many pipes in the Moscow region need to be changed .. The hangars must be repaired .. There is definitely enough for their century ...
  11. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 17 December 2012 10: 13
    +2
    ",,, the so-called" Serdyukov's entourage "is gradually disappearing into history, and instead of the" military professionals "- female managers who managed to get the teeth on edge ..."

    And a little honor, go down in history, maybe just go to jail for everything they’ve done?
  12. IRBIS
    IRBIS 17 December 2012 10: 15
    +7
    I am a descendant of Nostradamus, probably! For he immediately "predicted" the development of a corruption scandal, its main points. And so it happened: jewelry - grandmothers and grandfathers, money - all relatives collected, lived from hand to mouth, all the forces went to take care of the army.
    But seriously, you don't have to be a predictor to "predict" everything that happens in our country. For this is a lawlessness that has reached its peak in recent years. "Celestials" are afraid of nothing and no one. And now the court decides that house arrest for Vasilyeva is too cruel a punishment. Time will pass and her money and "tsatzki" "bequeathed" by her grandmother will be returned to her. Cattle!
  13. taseka
    taseka 17 December 2012 10: 40
    +7
    The fact that the thief's aunt continues to eat pineapples in a chic hut, and not in a cell, and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief cools the joy of the military, he is echoed about the "effective" manager Medvedev and is already shouting about Storetkin's innocence Investigative Committee - just saddening me!
  14. zambo
    zambo 17 December 2012 11: 01
    +2
    Most likely, the "Serdyukov aunts" will rake off 3-4 years old, be released ahead of schedule and will continue to live happily ever after, and Serdyukov will get off with a slight fright. It's a shame for the State ... Cartridges in warehouses are heaped up for firing squads, and prisons are swollen with all sorts of freaks - we are "screwed up" with the death penalty ...
  15. Magadan
    Magadan 17 December 2012 11: 02
    +4
    Quote: 755962
    And when our president realizes a simple thought: for corruption officials should never be removed. They need to be hung

    And while we ourselves will not start watering these nits, along the way to the President this thought will never even come to your head!
    Zadolbali already! Did the money disappear? Wastes were? What more evidence do they need? Again, liberty mu-oink will be offered to us about insufficient evidence ???
    Dad Vasilieva there sought out ?! And him on the bunk and Vasiliev !!!
    They do not understand up there that lawlessness gives rise to lawlessness !!! Will this "neo-elite" get away with everything again? Again, wide advertising of impunity for "superiors".
    I tell you guys, they’ll play out. Then a thought flashed through the thought that some Wahhabis would begin to wet such nits and make an advertisement for this on their own. And then you’ll prove to hell that Wahhabis are bad, because people will see real affairs, not liberoid mu-oink about someone's innocence.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 17 December 2012 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      I tell you guys, they’ll play out. Then a thought flashed through the thought that some Wahhabis would begin to wet such nits and make an advertisement for this on their own.

      +. 100%! And one does not have to go far for examples: the Ukrainian "Svoboda" is in the Rada, and what slogans and ideas they have - everyone knows very well.
  16. oSeR
    oSeR 17 December 2012 11: 10
    +7
    If Serdyukov is not imprisoned, then the penny is worth all these attempts. I will never believe that he didn’t know the type ... belay
  17. Nechai
    Nechai 17 December 2012 11: 54
    +2
    Quote: Kaa
    a number of departments previously headed by people especially close to Anatoly Serdyukov (mainly women)

    Quote: AlexVas44
    ,, the so-called "Serdyukovsky environment"

    Is it that ONLY Serdyukovsky? NOT AES, after all, APPROVED them in the posts! He could only propose candidates for approval, and appointed VG... Hence the "oddities" of the business - the struggle of the Nanai boys (girls).
    "... so far no evidence of the fact of stealing money has been provided" - HELLO! Have arrived! In addition to those already announced, there is a lot more, only from the audits of the Accounts Chamber. For example - in the washing of soldierly laundry, BILLION RUBLES slammed. A well-functioning machine for the theft of state funds (actually SOCIETY MONEY) by state officials is working. Under the cover of another "modernization", this time the RF Armed Forces.
  18. AK-47
    AK-47 17 December 2012 12: 07
    +2
    As usual, so far no evidence of theft of money has been provided ...

    And were they intellectually or physically asked?
    1. ViPChe
      ViPChe 17 December 2012 18: 52
      +1
      Yes, it would be necessary with the help of TA57 - och-h-h-chen helps to find out the truth! fellow
  19. Nechai
    Nechai 17 December 2012 12: 15
    +2
    Quote: AK-47
    And were they intellectually or physically asked?

    And who will ask? Those who previously set tasks for them? After all, the objects and structures that form the basis of the country's defense were destroyed. Nowadays, in most of them, they are abandoned in an orphan state. Barbarously given to the looting of the lumpen and pre-pre-match (the language does not turn to call them) citizens.
    And the property released by MO was declared ALL for which the buyer was. Such a sale was a bonus reward to people disarming Russia. Not a trace should be forgotten and subchikov who warmed the handles in this business - the so-called "buyers". Without their desire to find cheap tidbits for cheap things, such an enrichment of traitors would not be possible!
  20. fenix57
    fenix57 17 December 2012 12: 29
    +2
    Those who are sitting now are sitting. And that’s it. It's a pity...
  21. general-oberst
    general-oberst 17 December 2012 17: 14
    +3
    Men! Let me give you a simple example. I have been working at BHViRT for a long time, almost from the beginning of their "optimization", i.e. when they were reduced in \ employees to civilian personnel. At the base, there are only two military men, a com and a deputy. The lump stands to divert the eyes, but the deputy is like Perdukov's his female b-n. The young captain has grabbed so much that he hires a designer to decorate and arrange his new home. I paid him with an apartment and a car for his work. But not out of pocket. Everything that could be sold was sold (machine tools, metal, wood, spare parts, car boxes, etc., etc.) Civilian personnel receive a penny, and from these pennies he cuts out into his pocket. And whoever speaks against the word is immediately dismissed. He has an excavator, a tractor, a passenger car and a truck, and has built a cottage for himself. And this is all for one captain's salary for some three or four years. And his entire household is assigned to all relatives. Here he is a fosterling of perdyukov, grabbed the unspoken command "STEAL" at the rally. This is what I wanted to say. Thieving women perdyukov, they are like exotic, but the rest of the characters of this thieves' common fund, they seem to be in the shadows. It seems to me that we need to shake up all the organizations where the "military" are in power and civilian personnel are subordinate, especially the storage and repair bases. Find out on what basis they were transferred from one place to another several times. After all, every time a lot of money was allocated for this, and where this money went. negative
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 17 December 2012 23: 27
      +1
      Quote: general-oberst
      After all, every time considerable and considerable money was allocated for this, and where this money went.

      You won’t dig in here. Even the most experienced tracker will not find the ends, and the captain you have got an overwhelmed comrade ...
  22. vezunchik
    vezunchik 17 December 2012 20: 34
    +2
    Someone will fall under the inevitable amnesty, someone will be released right in the courtroom, and someone will receive a suspended sentence after which he will be in no less than a bread position than the one held before the corruption scandal.

    HAND WAS HAND ....
  23. nycsson
    nycsson 17 December 2012 21: 51
    0
    That is why I would like to get unequivocal answers from Andrei Lugovoi, neither from Alexander Khinshtein, nor even from Nikolay Vasiliev, who loves his daughter, and the answers are from the investigation: so who the hell is to blame for the slipping of the army reform? Or slip - is also part of a plan that someone mistakenly confused with corruption cases ...

    Yeah! This is exactly the author noticed! And the answer, as always, is not to blame either! wassat
  24. deman73
    deman73 18 December 2012 08: 34
    0
    we are all adult people, so I’ll say that they don’t really put a thief in a thief. It’s a shame that this gang of freaks keeps the whole country in fools, but we are silent about this and the most important thing was that our defense minister should take it in the first place and put in a cell to think, or they thought up an excuse for his brainless orphan, misled him, he didn’t know anything, and our prime minister, trying to prove it, clowns got to the whole country already laughing
  25. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator 21 December 2012 13: 19
    0
    This "Aunt" gave a bribe to the inspectors and everything is normal !!!!!!!!
  26. slava.iwasenko
    slava.iwasenko 12 January 2013 23: 52
    0
    However, it is necessary to plant