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About record low unemployment in Russia and unwillingness of migrant workers to take an exam on knowledge of Russian language

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At the end of the year, it is customary to sum up various results concerning successes or failures in politics, economics, sports, and other areas. Reports, tables, totals and ratings can be treated differently, because it often happens that the indicators of one structure, by and large, contradict the indicators of another. However, if the results are summed up by the representatives of the authorities, then it is simply impossible not to pay attention to them.


About record low unemployment in Russia and unwillingness of migrant workers to take an exam on knowledge of Russian language


The other day, we summed up our results in the segment of the Russian Government that deals with social issues. Vice premier Olga Golodets, in charge of this area, announced that this year Russia has achieved impressive results in terms of resolving issues related to unemployment. According to Mrs. Golodets, the level of this very unemployment today has been reduced to the value in 5,2% of the economically active population of Russia. Here it is necessary to immediately decipher the concept of “economically active population”, so that it is clear that 5,2% is generally how much, as they say, in humans - in humans.

Under the economically active population of a country is understood as part of the population, providing the supply of labor for the production of goods and the provision of various services. This part of the population is capable, at a potential level, to have a source of personal income. According to international rules, people between the ages of 10 (!) And 72 years can be included in the number of economically active citizens. However, this criterion is not valid in all countries of the world. For example, here (in Russia) the lower age bracket for an economically active citizen is 15 years.

It turns out that 5,2% in this case corresponds to about four million people - citizens of Russia, of course. If you trust such figures, then, it turns out that Russia has managed to reach the pre-crisis level of unemployment and even slightly exceed (in the positive sense of the word) the 2007 figures of the year.

Vice Prime Minister Olga Golodets declares that there has never been such a low percentage of unemployed in Russia. Her quote: "we are proud of it."

It would seem that all Russians, without exception, should also rejoice at such indicators, but there are several details here that simply cannot be ignored. The fact is that along with record-low unemployment in Russia in recent years, a very negative trend has begun to take shape. It is connected with the fact that the notorious staff turnover is manifested in the country. And very substantial. If an employee of an institution, an enterprise, or a certain company “manages” to work more than 2-3 years in one place, then such a person can be called an employee with a lot of experience. After all, up to a third of the working-age population is forced to change jobs almost regularly.

On the one hand, this may indicate that Russians have a real choice of work places, and citizens can give preference to that workplace, which, let's say, is warmer and more satisfying. But the medal has a downside: staff turnover is associated with new, very peculiar, rules of doing business. Many employers (heads of private companies) are often simply unprofitable to work with the same state. Where it is more convenient to recruit people for a couple of months, then hang shortages, penalties and other financial and professional negative, under the pretext of which to refuse to pay the amounts due for the work done. Of course, this trend does not manifest itself everywhere, but the fact that there are those who apply it “with success” is a fact. Many employees would be happy to continue working in one place, striving for career growth, raising income levels, but their interests often run counter to the interests of the immediate employer.

An entire army of employers is generally unprofitable to use the labor of qualified employees. Indeed, among representatives of business, there is such an admonition: “Why do we need smart servants - suddenly they will begin to steal competently ...” Therefore, they find themselves in shopping centers, banks, sales offices, legal aid centers and other organizations such employees who, in the event of a cash register failure or computer ready to jump off the place and run away with things, just to not catch the eye of the chief. Modern business brings up some kind of humanoid, programmed to strict execution of commands and complete helplessness in the event of a contingency. Because programmed is much easier to manage.
Based on this state of affairs, many employees are forced to change jobs with surprising regularity: a month - there, six months - there, and in the end - neither there nor there.

There is another problem that Olga Golodets decided to ignore. The Russian labor market has a serious imbalance, which many people are talking about today. This imbalance is associated with the reluctance of many Russians to find employment in low-paying jobs. You can, of course, wonder how many it is only few Russian citizens (especially in large cities) want to go cleaners or utility workers, but if you compare the level of wages in these specialties and the level of payment of the same utilities, the questions will disappear by themselves ...

Therefore, it is more profitable for a residential office or, forgive, a “cleaning agency” to recruit so-called external labor migrants from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan to 15-20, pay them a “minimum salary” and allow the whole “platoon” to live in a transformer booth, at least in basement apartment building. Cheap and angry, as they say. But the rights to download will not ... And they will, because there is such an amazing structure as the FMS, which can suddenly open its eyes to the presence of illegal foreign workers without documents and a work permit. Moreover, the employer himself often all possible sanctions for the provision of jobs to illegal immigrants, in a strange way, bypass the party ... And why would it be? ..

For some time, or rather, since the beginning of December 2012 in Russia, it has been decided to somehow regulate labor issues relating to foreign citizens entering the territory of Russia. First, you need to provide up-to-date data on how many foreign citizens and from which countries (according to official statistics) came to work and study in Russia. Here are some data (the period from January to September of the current year):

Azerbaijan: 16811 profits, 3072 losses.
Armenia: 26949 profits, 3368 losses.
Belarus: 12718 profits, 4057 losses.
Kazakhstan: 32532 profits, 6630 losses.
Kyrgyzstan: 27038 profits, 7868 losses.
Moldova: 16494 profits, 3430 losses.
Tajikistan: 30884 profits, 7963 losses.
Turkmenistan: 3344 profits, 893 losses.
Uzbekistan: 64567 profits (absolute record by the number of labor migrants entering the territory of Russia for a specified period), 22896 decline.
Ukraine: 35776 profits, 9374 losses.
Georgia: 5682 profits, 524 losses (record low departure back from Russia as a percentage of the number of arrivals).
China: 6321 profits, 2909 losses.
Germany: 3383 profits, 2888 losses.
Estonia: 1120 profits, 423 losses.
Latvia: 1056 profits, 291 losses.
Lithuania: 576 profits, 172 losses.
Greece: 613 profits, 109 losses.
So, the Russian authorities decided at the legislative level to put forward requirements for labor migrants arriving in the country who are going to work in areas with low qualifications. Requirements - basic knowledge of the Russian language. For Belarusians and citizens of South Ossetia, where Russian is the state, an exception is made.

This, according to lawmakers, should reduce social risks and ethnic friction in Russia. Migrant workers, entering the country, and not having a document of education recognized by the Russian Federation, will have to pass an exam on basic knowledge of Russian to obtain a work permit. Such a measure, according to the authors of the innovation, should help to build mutual understanding between foreign citizens and Russians, which has recently begun to appear less and less. The measure seems to be sensible, but it, not having time to become a reality, is already subjected to sharp criticism. Moreover, criticism most often comes from guest workers themselves. And the main stumbling block here is the price of testing. The average cost of passing the test and obtaining a special certificate for foreign nationals who arrived in search of unskilled work is 3000 rubles (less than 100 dollars today). Foreign labor migrants in several regions of Russia declared at once that it was literally a robbery, provocation and violation of human rights ... Like, where they would get plasterer from Kulyab or a janitor from Bukhara whole 3000 rubles at their wages. And where does he take them for living in Moscow or St. Petersburg, and even for regular remittances abroad, the same people, for some reason, do not ask ...

Moreover, the leaders of the so-called trade unions of guest workers (and there are in Russia and organizations that call themselves something like this) immediately after the law came into force, they began to receive statements that they recommend that visitors refuse to take the test under various pretexts ... This is what sabotage? Hmm ... It turns out that the leaders of migrant workers with foreign passports are going to sabotage Russian laws? Somehow it does not fit in with the plans for transparent work with the payment of taxes to the Russian treasury.

There is an opinion that foreign citizens are discouraged from taking a test of knowledge of the Russian language, not at all because it is expensive, but because when passing the exam, it is possible, excuse me, to “burn” before the accounting services. After all, according to official data, about 31 thousands of citizens of Tajikistan have entered Russia, and after introducing the exam rate, they may appear more in 2-3 more ... In this case, the fears of the leaders of the “trade unions”, diasporas and other relevant, let's say, institutions are clear. Yes, and many Russian employers are clearly not happy with the new law. And the point here is not at all that they don’t want the employees of their companies to speak Russian well, but that the illegal immigrants they use for personal and corporate savings can “surface”.

After all, if everything manifests itself, then the level of labor dumping in Russia may decrease, which is not beneficial for many interested parties. And the dumping press will be reduced - you have to hire Russians and pay the actual wages. So for many business representatives, a non-Russian-speaking representative of the peoples of Central Asia without a certificate of passing the exam and without a work permit is much more preferable than the same one, but with a certificate and permission, and certainly more preferable than any Russian. The second and the third will cost more ...

By the way, over the past few days a whole series of reports has arrived that in a number of regions migrants fail the Russian exam. Consciously or not - until the question.

To get the "cherished" crust you need to answer at least 65% of the proposed questions. Here is one of the test questions:
All workers go to the medical center by bus. On what vehicle do the workers go to the medical center?

It is a pity that the answer options are not attached: a) on the bus, b) on Bentley, c) on the donkey, d) I won't go to any medical center at all.
In general, 5,2% unemployment is, of course, a success, but it is time to start implementing a real policy of control over the state of the labor market, including in its migration sector, in order not to get a situation similar to that in some “hospitable” EU countries. Yes, and the need to comply with the laws for entering Russia with different goals, too, should think about, not postponing questions for tomorrow.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 14 December 2012 09: 42
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    The problem is not the availability of Gaster, but their free entry into the country according to their passports ... As long as there is an excess of labor, employers can not only maintain a minimum wage, but also not develop production ... Why buy an excavator if it is cheaper to hire a dozen Gaster?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 14 December 2012 09: 51
      14
      Quote: domokl
      Why buy an excavator if it’s cheaper to hire a dozen Gaster?


      Two Tajiks and a shovel replace an excavator, three Tajiks and a shovel replace a half excavator.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 14 December 2012 11: 03
        19
        If you take their pieces of heels ... a crane ... a bulldozer and an ice rink ...
        1. soaring
          soaring 14 December 2012 13: 59
          +5
          this is the point !!!!!!!!!!! laughing laughing laughing good
      2. bask
        bask 22 December 2012 17: 15
        0
        Closed range firing sau
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 14 December 2012 09: 58
      13
      and available too - the recent minibus in Chelyab is not an example.
      1. Armata
        Armata 14 December 2012 17: 37
        11
        Quote: vorobey
        and available too - the recent minibus in Chelyab is not an example
        Yes, in the Urals, not one Russian was left on the routes. These younger brothers don't even really know the Russian language. Kamu is pleased to listen in the morning to "Who didn’t give Deneg, let’s" Pass the dangi forward. " I, thank God, drive a car, but from the guys I constantly hear that they are being driven like firewood, pushing a full autobox, almost head over heels and damn they just can't address you in Russian. FUCK THEY ARE NEEDED ON THE PRIMORDLY RUSSIAN LAND !!!!!!
        1. bask
          bask 14 December 2012 17: 45
          11
          Quote: Mechanic
          These younger brothers don't even really know the Russian language. Kamu is pleased to listen in the morning to "Who didn’t give Deneg, let’s" Pass the dangi forward. " Thank God I drive a car, but

          I welcome Eugene the same situation in Astrakhan. But it’s probably worse. But you need them. On the native Russian lands. Yesterday in the next meeting of the GDP I said. So, guys, hold on ... The worst is in front .. And it’s not kokyto mythical ,, end of the world 21.12.12/XNUMX/XNUMX.-year. Violence. already nat .. most, this is the end of the world for Russia. How to deal with this, I do not know .....
          1. Armata
            Armata 14 December 2012 18: 23
            12
            Quote: bask
            THIS IS THE END OF LIGHT FOR RUSSIA. How to deal with this, I do not know .....
            Greetings dear. This is not the end of the world, but simply the prerequisites for a war of liberation. I'm not a racist, but soon I’ll start to hate them worse.
            1. bask
              bask 14 December 2012 18: 41
              15
              Quote: Mechanic
              . I'm not a racist, but soon I’ll start to hate them worse.

              I, too, am not racist. But when I joined the army and explained to me why, although I’m Chuvash by nation .. I became a Russian nationalist. And where to go. The question is about the survival of the Russian ethnic group and culture. And all peoples ((me ( (related to this !!!!!
              1. virm
                virm 15 December 2012 14: 11
                +2
                All the indigenous peoples of Russia - Slavic peoples, the peoples of the Volga, Urals, North and Siberia - are one civilization. We have been living in friendship and brotherhood for 500 years. All achievements and misfortunes we shared with each other.
                But, now there is an expansion to our land of foreign strangers. Caucasians, Central Asians, even more exotic comrades occupy our cities and villages, with the direct assistance of the authorities.
                And, yes - Putin promised - the most important thing is yet to come. Simplified, accelerated distribution of citizenship of the Russian Federation throughout the former USSR.
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 14 December 2012 23: 37
              +4
              Quote: Mechanic
              Greetings dear. This is not the end of the world, but simply the prerequisites for a war of liberation. I'm not a racist, but soon I’ll start to hate them worse.

              They are a consequence of the cause in power.
          2. Ribwort
            Ribwort 14 December 2012 20: 22
            +7
            Quote: bask
            On the native Russian lands.

            I think if the existing policy regarding migrant workers continues, I won’t be surprised when over time the question of the originality of Russian lands will be called into question. This is a time bomb that one way or another will ever explode.
            Quote: bask
            How to deal with this, I do not know ...

            I know, but this article ...
          3. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 14 December 2012 21: 11
            +2
            Quote: bask
            . How to deal with this, I do not know .....

            I would answer in what way, but I will not say anything, but you yourself probably understood. angry
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 December 2012 23: 34
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          Yes, in the Urals, not one Russian was left on the routes. These younger brothers don't even really know the Russian language. Kamu is pleased to listen in the morning to "Who didn’t give Deneg, let’s" Pass the dangi forward. " Thank God I drive a car, but from the guys I constantly hear that they are being driven like firewood, pushing a full autobox, almost on their heads and damn they just can't turn to you in Russian

          They were in St. Petersburg before that too. But this year a new trend has appeared. Before there were strictly as many seats as there were so many people sitting and a minibus traveling. They stayed if the woman with the child or the terrible weather.
          Now it’s full and rides to the top.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 15 December 2012 20: 18
            +3
            haha no hike there is a couple of people who do not particularly like me))) if for such a comment they put me minus laughing
    3. sergey32
      sergey32 14 December 2012 10: 04
      14 th
      domokl,
      The problem is not in passports, but in the fact that our people do not want to give birth and work.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 14 December 2012 10: 25
        11
        Quote: sergey32
        our people do not want to give birth and work.

        I wanted to comment, did not find words. Only letters, and those x ** ex ...
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 14 December 2012 11: 13
          13
          Ribwort,
          Well then I'll find the words. How many large families do we have? Six percent with a penny. And do not tell me about poverty. Wealthy families also have few children. Where do people prefer to work with us? That's right, to sit in the office and not answer for anything. Try to find a worker for production, even for a good salary. Previously, people went to the factory checkpoints before the shift, now a miserable trickle of pensioners. Values ​​have changed, young people do not need a family, need entertainment and free relationships. What has been brought up has grown. And you're talking about passports.
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 43
            +7
            Dude, you're not in 90's anymore. Wake up. Young people are now creating families, and working in specialized enterprises. And they have children.
            Stop talking battered cliches. Express your thoughts.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 14 December 2012 15: 26
              +7
              vyatom

              Quote: vyatom
              Dude, you're not in 90's anymore. Wake up. Young people are now creating families, and working in specialized enterprises. And they have children.


              How many large industrial enterprises have opened over the past 20 years?
              About profile enterprises it’s not even funny, I don’t think that the situations in Russia and Ukraine are fundamentally different, let's just calculate the number of people who have got a higher engineering education and compare with the number of people working in their specialty, well, how many cars, tanks, planes, ships, spacecraft and there are. ... release.
              About fertility - ... We had an unexpected joy: from the beginning of the year to September, 1 million 409 thousand babies were born, 80 thousand more than last year. These are the maximum figures for the last 15 years ...
              http://www.rg.ru/2012/11/15/rozhdaemost.html

              Quote: vyatom
              Stop talking battered cliches.


              Set an example! Why so immediately get up with a saber at the mast?

              Quote: vyatom
              Express your thoughts.


              Be polite, especially to people unfamiliar to you.
              Regards Karlsonn
            2. sergey32
              sergey32 14 December 2012 19: 35
              +2
              vyatom,
              We are not in the same sandbox for you to poke me. Of youth, responsible work can be entrusted well if one out of ten. How they have children, I also know, God forbid, that one, two is already a feat. If desired, work can be found; there are enterprises in the country. Sometimes you need to tear your ass off the couch to look for a better job. If you want to open your own business, everyone has opportunities, only you will have to forget about a quiet life. Children can always be raised, there would be a desire. My four may not receive as much attention from me as I would like, but they understand that dad and mom are working hard for their benefit.
              1. REPA1963
                REPA1963 14 December 2012 21: 28
                -1
                Do they understand?
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 14 December 2012 23: 39
                +2
                Quote: sergey32
                If desired, work can be found; there are enterprises in the country.
                You can find a job, but it’s only more often free. And one so that the worker has enough of two or three children to feed normally, to put on shoes, to learn, there is no such work for the workers. Or you need to leave to work, then the family is the cap. Here and choose. And work for a minimum in dog conditions, yes, it’s a shaft.
            3. Nick
              Nick 14 December 2012 21: 49
              +4
              Quote: vyatom
              Dude, you're not in 90's anymore. Wake up

              Dear, you have been on the site relatively recently and probably have not noticed that it is customary to address each other to you, even to your opponents, well, maybe with the exception of communication between good old site acquaintances, practically friends. Be respectful to other participants. Thanks.
          2. Ribwort
            Ribwort 14 December 2012 14: 38
            +8
            Quote: sergey32
            And do not tell me about poverty. Wealthy families also have few children.

            Therefore, it is not enough. In order to make a successful career and consider yourself the most prosperous person, you need to devote ALL of your time to this. The family is no longer left ... Here, either. Why there are few children among the wealthy, I think there is no need to explain. In most cases, 1-2 children in normal working families.
            Quote: sergey32
            Where do people prefer to work with us? That's right, to sit in the office and not answer for anything.

            For whom they studied, they work there ... And who is to blame for the fact that judging by the salary of office plankton, we value more than a qualified turner or welder? Decide on priorities, put emphasis on s / n and you will be happy ...
            Quote: sergey32
            Values ​​have changed

            Let's just say: They were CHANGED. And, you must admit, it didn’t start with young people - they take an example from adults.
            Quote: sergey32
            Young people do not need a family

            A young man graduated from an educational institution ... He has a loan for education, unclear job prospects, lack of his own housing, and in the future (if you're lucky with work) and a mortgage ... What family? For what? Does it surprise you? Well, wonder further ...
          3. Ghenxnumx
            Ghenxnumx 14 December 2012 15: 12
            +8
            Quote: sergey32
            Where do people prefer to work with us? That's right, to sit in the office and not answer for anything. Try to find a worker for production, even for a good salary.

            Good salary say? What kind of world do you live in?
            Here is an example from the life of the rather big city of Rostov-on-Don
            We go to the site of the plant - the giant SELMASH. http://www.zavodselmash.ru/vacancy.htm
            We look at vacancies:
            process engineer
            secondary vocational or higher technical, specialty engineer-technologist, it is possible without work experience
            Develop technological plans (re-planning), instructions, assembly schemes, route maps, maps of the technical level and quality of products and other technological documentation.
            13 000 rubles
            Engineer for the management of buildings and structures
            secondary vocational or higher construction
            organization of operation of buildings and structures
            13 000 rubles
            Feldsher
            certificate for the right to issue drivers, secondary vocational education
            medical care for company employees
            10 000 rubles
            Laboratory Assistant Chemical Analysis
            secondary professional, work experience is desirable
            quality control of paints and varnishes
            7 000 rubles
            Toolmaker
            secondary professional, work experience is desirable
            manufacturing, repair, adjustment of large complex and precise tools and devices, fine-tuning. lapping of parts, plumbing of parts.
            12 000 rubles
            Toolmaker (healer)
            primary vocational education, work experience is desirable
            production according to the drawing of a measuring tool (brackets, templates, etc.)
            12 000 rubles
            Repairman
            work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
            Repair and maintenance of production equipment
            12000 rubles.
            Adjuster of automatic machines and semi-automatic machines
            work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
            adjustment and refinement of production equipment
            12000 rub
            1. Ghenxnumx
              Ghenxnumx 14 December 2012 15: 23
              +7
              Road machinery repairman
              work experience desirable primary education
              repair of road equipment
              12 000 rubles
              Electroerosionist
              secondary vocational education, work experience is desirable
              electrospark machining of tool and tool surfaces, cutting complex parts with a continuously moving electrode according to a given program, self-tuning and programming for various processing modes
              12000 rub
              Electrician on relay protection and automation
              work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
              maintenance of relay protection and substation automation
              10500 rubles.
              Electrician for repair of windings and insulation of electrical equipment
              work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
              Dismantling and assembling the electric motor, replacing the windings, impregnating, drying, testing the electric motor
              12000 rubles.
              Electrician for repair and maintenance of electrical equipment
              work experience is desirable, but not required, primary vocational education
              Dismantling, repair, assembly of electric machines and electrical devices, lighting systems, electrical panels
              13000 rub
              The machine tool broad profile
              work experience is desirable, but not required, primary vocational education
              Production of samples (metal, plastic) for testing
              11 000 rubles
              Milling machine (station wagon)
              work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
              work on a milling machine
              13000 rub
              Boring Turner
              Experience is desirable. Primary vocational education
              turning of parts on a coordinate boring machine
              12000 rubles.
              Electroplating
              galvanic line work
              Piecework 10000 rub.
              PU machine operator
              work experience required, primary vocational education
              conducting the processing of parts at art. CNC programming
              12000 rubles.
              Turner
              part turning
              Piecework 11000 rub.
              Sharpener sharpening the tool with an abrasive wheel in a dry way
              work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
              sharpening and fine-tuning on grinding machines of a cutting tool using various devices
              9000 rub
              Thermist constantly occupied by hot work furnaces and molten salt baths
              work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
              heat treatment, annealing, bead blasting of parts and tools
              12000 rub
              Grinder, constantly engaged in grinding metal products and tools with abrasive wheels in a dry way

              work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
              grinding parts and tools with abrasive wheels in a dry way, setting up the machine, installing and editing grinding wheels
              12 000 rubles
              Rigger
              driving license for tractor
              loading and transportation of goods on a tractor.
              12 000 rubles

              And this is with constant reductions carried out by management just to get rid of pensioners.
              Do you really think that a salary of 8-000 rubles is not bad? am
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 14 December 2012 15: 34
                +3
                Ghenxnumx
                Well, at least you have one crying .
                In our penates everyone is creative:
                ... Officials of the SE “Nikolaev Repair and Mechanical Plant” in 2008-2010 years stole 1044 units of driving axles for armored personnel carriers worth over 689 thousand UAH.
                Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/509814-na-nikolaevskom-zavode-ukrali-bolee-tyisyachi-m
                ostov-dlya-btr.html
                1. homosum20
                  homosum20 14 December 2012 18: 50
                  -4
                  It's time for you to join the EU. Both you are better off and the risks with you will disappear.
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 14 December 2012 19: 38
                    0
                    homosum20

                    Quote: homosum20
                    It's time for you to join the EU.


                    I'm ready!
                  2. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 14 December 2012 19: 50
                    +1
                    homosum20

                    Quote: homosum20
                    It's time for you to join the EU.


                    I know it's time for the EU; I'm ready!

                    Quote: homosum20
                    And you feel better


                    I was in this your EU request and what is better for me there?



                    Quote: homosum20
                    and we will lose the risks with you.


                    not you collected, not you squander!
                  3. Nick
                    Nick 14 December 2012 22: 03
                    +4
                    Quote: homosum20
                    It's time for you to join the EU.

                    What are you talking about !? Several countries are already preparing for the departure from the EU, Poland won’s refusing to enter the euro area, they decided that for the time being a little will be used with their zloty. Rats from the ship, and you recommend him on this ship ...
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 15 December 2012 13: 42
                      +3
                      Nick

                      and this is he out of kindness of soul, ---- the cow died from a neighbor, and that is joy!
              2. mark021105
                mark021105 14 December 2012 18: 39
                +4
                I wonder how many gaster you saw in the factories? Foreigners mainly work on construction sites, janitors, cleaners, etc. Believe me, it’s not Gaster’s fault that such salaries are in factories. Skilled locksmiths, turners, carpenters, joiners ... in the afternoon you will not find fire in Central Asia. And it is not because of them that they do not pay a decent salary to SELMASH employees.
                1. Igor
                  Igor 14 December 2012 19: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: mark021105
                  Foreigners mainly work on construction sites, janitors, cleaners, etc. Believe me, it’s not Gaster’s fault that such salaries are in factories. Skilled locksmiths, turners, carpenters, joiners ... in the afternoon you will not find fire in Central Asia. And it is not because of them that they do not pay a decent salary to SELMASH employees.


                  And no one even says that it is because of them, they just explained to comrade Sergei32 why young people prefer to work as a white-collar worker.

                  Quote: mark021105
                  I wonder how many gaster you saw in the factories?


                  Now their number has begun to grow, especially in single-industry towns.
              3. sergey32
                sergey32 14 December 2012 19: 05
                0
                Guys, I have more 20 in production. But you need to turn around, work less than me, I do not give to sit.
                1. donchepano
                  donchepano 15 December 2012 07: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: sergey32
                  Guys, I have more 20 in production. But you need to turn around, work less than me, I do not give to sit.


                  Well, 20 for the province is probably more or less.
                  And you can ask what kind of production you have and in which region?
                  1. sergey32
                    sergey32 15 December 2012 22: 49
                    0
                    donchepano,
                    Confectionery workshop, countryside, Bryansk region.
              4. Strashila
                Strashila 15 December 2012 22: 34
                0
                You write everything correctly ... greed has no limits and borders, but the question is different ... have you ever seen gastrikans and migrants in these positions ??? And you won’t see, there is no drag.
              5. Hon
                Hon 16 December 2012 15: 37
                0
                According to the Federal State Statistics Service, the average salary in our country is 28 tr))))
            2. homosum20
              homosum20 14 December 2012 18: 49
              0
              Not, if the preface is read, it is possible and not to quote.
              You need to love your children.
            3. Igor
              Igor 14 December 2012 19: 27
              +1
              Quote: Ghen75
              Good salary say? What kind of world do you live in?
              Here is an example from the life of the rather big city of Rostov-on-Don


              And here is an example of a white-collar job in the same city


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              Manager of Customer
              Rostov-on-Don
              20 000 - 44 000 rubles.

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              Specialist in working with customers
              Rostov-on-Don
              from 20 000 руб.

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              Team Leader (Kamensk)
              Kamensk-Shakhtinsky
              from 17 000 руб.

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              Service Specialist
              Rostov-on-Don
              20 000 - 35 000 rubles.

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              Information service specialist in Zernograd and Kagalnitsky districts
              Rostov-on-Don
              10 000 - 19 000 rubles.

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              Branch Director in Millerovo
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              20 000 - 50 000 rubles.

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              Maker-up designer
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              The Computer Engineering LLC company (RIC # 264) was founded in Rostov-on-Don in March 1993, the direction of activity is the sale of the ConsultantPlus SPS and the service of regular customers. Since its inception, the company has constantly evolved, and today it has 6 branches and 40 representative offices in the Rostov region. Information ...

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              Information Service Specialist in Donetsk
              Work addresses: 2
              from 15 000 руб.

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              Programmer 1C
              Rostov-on-Don
              30 000 rubles

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              At my site, gastras receive about the same amount of about 20 thousand, I hope now Sergey32 will understand why few young people want to work at the factory for the same salary, or even less laughing
          4. Igor
            Igor 14 December 2012 19: 12
            +6
            Quote: sergey32
            Where do people prefer to work with us? Right in the office


            That's right, because it’s better to get 25 thousand and sit in a warm office, than for the same money is humped at a construction site or any plant and for days on end ... freeze or some kind of x ... breathe it.

            Quote: sergey32
            and not answer for anything.


            Some pretend that they pay a good salary, others pretend that they work (s)

            Quote: sergey32
            Try to find a worker for production, even for a good salary.


            A good salary in our country should start at 60 thousand and above, and not the average hospital.

            Quote: sergey32
            Previously, people went to the factory checkpoints before the shift, now a miserable trickle of pensioners.


            While this herd from Central Asia will be here oshivazzo dumping everyone and soon they will work at all plants (now it starts, especially at small enterprises in single-industry towns and thereby crowding out the local population, who will leave there in search of work) (this also started), military industrial complex, they will even get to the army soon wink

            Quote: sergey32
            Values ​​have changed, young people do not need a family, need entertainment and free relationships.


            Well, why did those who found normal work have those and the family who have children, like my older brother (I already scolded four wink ), but such as my other brother, who is 28 years old, who has worked as an engineer for 15 thousand, neither his wife nor children, because such a salary is not enough even to eat normally.

            Quote: sergey32
            What has been brought up has grown. And you're talking about passports.


            Yes, yes, yes, they are, in contrast to the scoops, which received apartments, cars, etc. from the state. and who are nostalgic like: "Before, people went to factory checkpoints in a stream before the shift" they know that the state will not give them anything today and that they need to look for a job with a wage higher than the average for the hospital, because such a salary can only be lived if you would be an apartment.

            And migrants are an evil that knocks out the local population from various fields of activity and is an excellent feeding trough for utilities, police, the Federal Migration Service, etc., and then we wonder where the heads of these services have mansions abroad, cool cars, etc.
            1. sergey32
              sergey32 14 December 2012 20: 34
              -4
              Guys, we think in different categories. Maybe I'm out of date, but I'm used to working as I was taught in childhood, i.e. with full dedication and a lot. Young people want everything at once. This does not happen. To get the salary 60 thousand. It is necessary for the company to bring a profit of one hundred thousand. Look for options and do not be afraid to work and take responsibility and you will have money. Do not want to work for self-employed. Sell ​​your huts in cities, with this money you can build or buy a great house in the village, there are also opportunities there if you are not afraid of work. I’m not tired of rubbing in apartments ... rubbing against each other. Maybe enough whining about a bad life.
              1. yustas
                yustas 15 December 2012 18: 35
                +1
                Quote: sergey32
                Maybe I'm out of date, but I'm used to working as I was taught in childhood, i.e. with full dedication and a lot

                I’m also used to working this way, but I disagree with you!
                and there are examples!
                Quote: sergey32
                To get a salary of 60 thousand. It is necessary for the company to bring a profit of one thousand thousand

                I worked before this as an engineer, that is, installation and commissioning and programming, and received a salary of 20 tr, of which 9 was white and the rest was gray, and not at the right time, my second child was born and I left, it happened but went to the RF in 40t.r., at the previous work they cried out, they began to promise 35-40 right away, but I'm not a boy, according to the result now 4 people work instead of me !!! and they don’t do all the work that I did. And how much I brought to the company, I know, because Now I work in the Bank which serves my previous work and I control their work. So, something like this. My wife and I want a third child, but for now we understand that we will not pull him ...

                Quote: sergey32
                Maybe enough whining about a bad life

                I don’t whine, it really is, just while you try to fix it for the better, the time is wasted, which in the USSR could be spent on children and this depresses most ...
          5. Zlyden.Zlo
            Zlyden.Zlo 17 December 2012 03: 40
            +2
            I would like a third child, but I can’t afford it financially. (Most have the same trouble.) About the plant. I work on a hazardous enterprise, one shift at a time, the salary is 20 thousand rubles (pity euro), the workload is so heavy, the brain is taken out so that young people run away from here .... GOOD BRAIN STEAM THAT WE CAN'T AND DO NOT WANT TO WORK
      2. 11 black
        11 black 14 December 2012 11: 30
        20
        Quote: sergey32
        The problem is not in passports, but in the fact that our people do not want to give birth and work.

        that’s why our people don’t want to work, that the salary of a worker is frankly barely enough for a living in RUSSIA, and for a migrant from Central Asia it is a good salary, and he will have more than enough for a life in Central Asia.
        So it turns out that the salary is therefore so low that there are those whom it suits tobish gaster. Conclusion: less gaster - more salary. I understand that it sounds rude, but first of all, we must put the interests of our people!
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 44
          12
          Quote: 11 black
          So it turns out that the salary is therefore so low that there are those whom it suits tobish gaster. Conclusion: less gaster - more salary. I understand that it sounds rude, but first of all, we must put the interests of our people!

          Correctly! Your words would convey to the legislators. Plus.
        2. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx 14 December 2012 15: 14
          0
          Quote: sergey32
          Where do people prefer to work with us? That's right, to sit in the office and not answer for anything. Try to find a worker for production, even for a good salary.

          Road machinery repairman
          work experience desirable primary education
          repair of road equipment
          12 000 rubles
          Electroerosionist
          secondary vocational education, work experience is desirable
          electrospark machining of tool and tool surfaces, cutting complex parts with a continuously moving electrode according to a given program, self-tuning and programming for various processing modes
          12000 rub
          Electrician on relay protection and automation
          work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
          maintenance of relay protection and substation automation
          10500 rubles.
          Electrician for repair of windings and insulation of electrical equipment
          work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
          Dismantling and assembling the electric motor, replacing the windings, impregnating, drying, testing the electric motor
          12000 rubles.
          Electrician for repair and maintenance of electrical equipment
          work experience is desirable, but not required, primary vocational education
          Dismantling, repair, assembly of electric machines and electrical devices, lighting systems, electrical panels
          13000 rub
          The machine tool broad profile
          work experience is desirable, but not required, primary vocational education
          Production of samples (metal, plastic) for testing
          11 000 rubles
          Milling machine (station wagon)
          work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
          work on a milling machine
          13000 rub
          Boring Turner
          Experience is desirable. Primary vocational education
          turning of parts on a coordinate boring machine
          12000 rubles.
          Electroplating
          galvanic line work
          Piecework 10000 rub.
          PU machine operator
          work experience required, primary vocational education
          conducting the processing of parts at art. CNC programming
          12000 rubles.
          Turner
          part turning
          Piecework 11000 rub.
          Sharpener sharpening the tool with an abrasive wheel in a dry way
          work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
          sharpening and fine-tuning on grinding machines of a cutting tool using various devices
          9000 rub
          Thermist constantly occupied by hot work furnaces and molten salt baths
          work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
          heat treatment, annealing, bead blasting of parts and tools
          12000 rub
          Grinder, constantly engaged in grinding metal products and tools with abrasive wheels in a dry way

          work experience is desirable, primary vocational education
          grinding parts and tools with abrasive wheels in a dry way, setting up the machine, installing and editing grinding wheels
          12 000 rubles
          Rigger
          driving license for tractor
          loading and transportation of goods on a tractor.
          12 000 rubles

          And this is with constant reductions carried out by management just to get rid of pensioners.
          Do you really think that a salary of 8-000 rubles is not bad? am
          1. Joker
            Joker 14 December 2012 15: 25
            +4
            Yes, yes, today, payment for such professions should begin at least from 30 000. You can train a manager in a week, but a turner is literate worth its weight in gold. Wrong priorities are set in our country. And all because no one is building factories, all that is living out its last years, therefore, the specialty turner is very risky, the day you are on horseback, and the next unemployed. We need a large-scale state. the construction of plants and factories, the complete nationalization and abolition of privatization, the return of everything to the state, the restriction of migrants, and then the turner will receive as much as he deserves and this will be one of the most sought-after professions. In the meantime, in our country, plants can be counted on the fingers and migrants work there, privatizers are not interested in modernizing, innovating and improving the quality of the product, their interest is to pump money out of the plant as much as possible and sell it to someone, and dump them abroad. That's the problem.
            1. Gur
              Gur 14 December 2012 16: 34
              +4
              Correctly say, here it came a bright capitalist tomorrow about which so many dreamed, everything is ruled by the commerce and not the people. And they stupidly talk about how beautiful it was with the king, the priest and all the commies, tobish the people themselves are beauty and cheryl. Well, what to eat ??? or else we’ll live with commerce, until gasps as a nation and country ?? I don’t remember the exact name, the oil painting, about the factory before the revolution, where the fat gentleman inspects the Ural factory, the current painting is one to one. Of course, I am surprised at those people who lived in difficult conditions and there were many children in the family, HOW did they survive then I can’t imagine? Now, I'm sorry if you look from the side of the child, you just conceived, and away we go, pay for the pregnancy, everything would be normal, at least if you were not made a fool by doctors, pay, kindergarten, school, institute, you should die and you should have a stash not one tens of thousands. And it’s not actually salary that is actually speech, but the attitude to it and to the person. After all, we don’t need anything for hell, we would just sleep ..... put more, but go to Egypt for a well-deserved rest. How much do not raise wages, do not keep up with prices, we have them immediately after rising from the difficult life of commerce rise overnight. What does it matter, one asks for horseradish to raise a salary if tomorrow the price of life is as much more expensive as the salary was raised, not when I could not understand this.
              http://www.samoupravlenie.ru/images/37-061.jpg
              FOUND THE PICTURE
              1. Joker
                Joker 14 December 2012 17: 04
                +5
                You know that the funniest thing is that all products, whether food, textile, etc. which we buy really cost 2-3 times cheaper. Even based on inflation, over the past 10 years, the price of everything could legitimately rise by only 80-90%, which is even less than 2 times, and in real terms prices have increased 4 times by ALL. And for some products, even more. And all this because of the exorbitant greed of private traders. Now few people produce something in Russia, mainly foreign companies, the main economic sector is based on the resale of foreign goods, such as distributors. Buy a suspension bracket abroad and sell at a higher price, times in 3. If you pay for all real prices, then our salary, even in 8 000 p. would allow to live times in 3 better than before and this is a fact. And so it was necessary to nationalize and return the state. privatized property fraudulently. Build 200 state. factories and factories in the country and immediately prices will fall. Private traders do not care how people live, they have the task of filling their pocket, and these private traders everywhere. Long live capitalism called. The same clothing markets, everything was bought in China, Thailand, Vietnam for a penny and is getting in on us. I have a friend who does this, buys on 300-400 p. jeans and sells by 1 500 p. cool? And so all around, this applies to food and everything else. So, thanks to capitalism, at present wages we live 3 worse than we could under communism, where all the major suppliers of goods were state-owned. The people of shit democracy wanted, so eat the first part of this word, only with a triple overpayment. They themselves all pissed away, it’s not Yeltsin’s fault, but we’re all to blame, he didn’t look bully to sit in front of the TV, he had to go out into the streets, and now we are reaping the fruits of our cowardice and the fact that our children will still not know how much we live in this city and to blame. Now, too, we are sitting by all folded arms and scolding the authorities, but if all the dissatisfied people had taken to the streets in a crowd, you think we would not have listened. Go out into the streets of millions and say put forward demands and say they say you are to be fulfilled, don’t do it by storm, we’ll take buildings with you, we’ll shoot them as traitors and the police will be on our side because they are also from a bunch of fagots, and the PEOPLE will demand . But we prefer to sit at home and curse and we’ll boil in this shit no matter how much until the country is finally surrendered and settled by all migrants or until a leader appears who can lead the people, then there will be changes.
                1. homosum20
                  homosum20 14 December 2012 18: 55
                  0
                  How easy it is to live in a simple world, where everything is scum, and you are one decent person.
                2. Srgsoap
                  Srgsoap 15 December 2012 00: 53
                  0
                  I agree with you, but I'm afraid that this
            2. homosum20
              homosum20 14 December 2012 18: 54
              +1
              If he is worth its weight in gold - why don't they pay for it with gold? Apparently, this is not entirely true.
      3. vyatom
        vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 41
        +6
        People want to work and give birth. But not in the conditions in which guest workers live for this money. There are 20 people in a room. And they pay them a penny, tk. in their homeland they are "rich". Our merchants benefit from an awesome profit at a minimum cost. This is essentially theft and deception of its citizens.
        Leave a minimum of foreign workers. The rest back so that they do not loitering around. And let the merchants hire ours and pay normally, rather than whining.
      4. Nick
        Nick 14 December 2012 21: 40
        +2
        Quote: sergey32
        that our people do not want to give birth and work.

        You correctly noticed, but you should add, work for free and give birth to poverty ....
    4. Bykov.
      Bykov. 14 December 2012 10: 25
      0
      Quote: domokl
      The problem is not the presence of Gaster, but their free entry into the country according to their passports ...

      It’s no longer a problem, Putin said in a message.
      Since 2015, only for passports, except for citizens of members of the CU.
      1. vadimN
        vadimN 14 December 2012 11: 24
        +4
        Quote: Bulls.
        Since 2015, only for passports,


        And why from 15? in two years all Tajikistan will be in Russia, and in another year half of them will receive citizenship ...
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: vadimN
          And why from 15? in two years all Tajikistan will be in Russia, and in another year half of them will receive citizenship ...

          Well, you definitely have to introduce it from the 13th year.
      2. virm
        virm 15 December 2012 14: 19
        0
        He talks a lot about what. But with it, migration only intensifies and intensifies.
    5. humanist
      humanist 14 December 2012 11: 15
      +9
      Quote: domokl
      Why buy an excavator if it’s cheaper to hire a dozen Gaster?


      A friend of mine took a Tajik mercenary in Yaroslavl (where Gaster is looking for work) so that the drainage system (a groove so that the walls would not wash away) around the house and the utility rooms would not be dug around. He brought a shovel to the dacha, showed the scope of work, promised to pay 500 rubles upon his return. The Tajik asked the question: "To what depth should I dig?" Seryoga replied: "On the bayonet of the shovel."
      An hour later, Serega brought his wife and children to the country and oh * peep * ate the house was dug in a trench (a trench with an embankment) one and a half meters deep (the length of the handle and bayonet of a shovel) wassat
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 49
        +3
        Quote: humanist
        A friend of mine took a Tajik mercenary in Yaroslavl (where Gaster is looking for work) so that the drainage system (a groove so that the walls would not wash away) around the house and the utility rooms would not be dug around. He brought a shovel to the dacha, showed the scope of work, promised to pay 500 rubles upon his return. The Tajik asked the question: "To what depth should I dig?" Seryoga replied: "On the bayonet of a shovel." An hour later, Sergei brought his wife and children to the dacha and oh * pip * ate the house was dug in a trench (trench with an embankment) one and a half meters deep (length of the handle and bayonet of the shovel)

        About anything review. We live in the 21st century. The employer must realize that you need to hire your own and pay them normally, wrapping snot on a fist remembering the 300 percent profit that was with the Tajiks. And buy normal equipment to work at a level.
      2. itkul
        itkul 16 December 2012 19: 54
        0
        Well, your friend’s hands are growing out of the ass, or he’s disabled, that he can’t do such basic man’s work on his land
    6. mark021105
      mark021105 14 December 2012 18: 32
      0
      Cheaper and better, just hire an excavator ...))
  2. ADEQUATE
    ADEQUATE 14 December 2012 10: 01
    13 th
    Cheaper to hire five Moldavians than one Russian !!!
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 14 December 2012 10: 22
      +3
      Quote: ADEQUATE

      Cheaper to hire five Moldavians than one Russian !!!

      Cheaper, doesn’t mean right.
      1. ADEQUATE
        ADEQUATE 14 December 2012 10: 28
        -1
        For those who pay it right !!!
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 14 December 2012 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: ADEQUATE
          For those who pay it right !!!

          It’s profitable and I hope it’s still profitable, but no matter how wrong
          1. ADEQUATE
            ADEQUATE 14 December 2012 10: 39
            0
            Bykov

            And you explain this to the employer, even state structures hire visitors from Central Asia, from Ukraine, Belarus !!!
            1. Bykov.
              Bykov. 14 December 2012 11: 12
              +6
              Quote: ADEQUATE
              And you explain this to the employer, even state structures hire visitors from Central Asia, from Ukraine, Belarus !!!

              Yes, I am not a prosecutor. Because, I think that there is nothing to explain here, for this, they punish everything.
              1. ADEQUATE
                ADEQUATE 14 December 2012 11: 24
                -3
                Quote: Bulls.

                Quote: ADEQUATE
                And you explain this to the employer, even state structures hire visitors from Central Asia, from Ukraine, Belarus !!!
                Yes, I am not a prosecutor. Because, I think that there is nothing to explain here, for this, they punish everything.


                And who to punish ??? an employer, or a Russian who does not want to work for a penny, if we have nothing to do, or maybe it’s better to punish the president with officials ???
                1. Bykov.
                  Bykov. 14 December 2012 12: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: ADEQUATE
                  or a Russian who does not want to work for a penny

                  You yourself, "for a pittance", apparently love to work?
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 14 December 2012 14: 19
                    +4
                    Come on, what are you explaining to him, this is a troll, take a look at the photo. All that Russian he hates a priori, so explaining to him something does not make the slightest sense. He will not work for a penny, he just needs to be angry. wink so send it in three letters, that's the whole answer hi
                    1. Bykov.
                      Bykov. 15 December 2012 09: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Joker
                      take a look at the photo.

                      hi I thought it was just banter.
                      It turned out, no.
                2. donchepano
                  donchepano 14 December 2012 15: 04
                  0
                  Something you HELL from the state of Kwata completely minus ... like as persecuted or "lowered"
                  every time you change the drive ... Just insert your rotten ideas and the people have already figured you out and conceived .... ril. Isn’t you tired of poking in a strange garden with a pork snout? But it seems I guess who is who
  3. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 14 December 2012 10: 04
    +9
    what time! in my opinion there is something in common!

    Quote: domokl

    The problem is not the availability of Gaster, but their free entry into the country according to their passports ... As long as there is an excess of labor, employers can not only maintain a minimum wage, but also not develop production
    until we limit it and will be, the process will go from here: "they" work, earn, multiply, reproduce and, growing up a little, go back to Russia and so on in a circle ...
    1. COBOK
      COBOK 14 December 2012 11: 02
      18
      Their goal is not to roll up for loot and return home, they want to live in Russia, to obtain citizenship by hook or by crook. All sorts of Tajiks and Uzbeks bring here their hordes of wives in the last stages of pregnancy only so that they could give birth in relatively normal conditions, and for free, and the child could obtain Russian citizenship by a simplified procedure. They get any of the lowest-paid posts in government agencies, plow meekly and suck up on their bosses (you will not refuse to be obedient, but our officials ... well, I won’t be able to explain it — they’ll be stupid for a penny), and priority will be given to them, and as soon as the ex-migrant, and now already a Russian, gets at least some kind of position that allows him to influence the personnel policy - the flow of chebureks is overwhelming, the Russians will not crawl through. They are buying crowds of apartments, dilapidated houses, and that’s all - they are property owners.

      The question is that life in those countries is not sugar, but they themselves made a choice in the 90s, they persecuted Russians, and now we are not welcome, but they are "pumping" the rights here. For violation of migration legislation, the most terrible punishment is deportation in a comfortable carriage to their homeland, from where in a couple of weeks back to Russia. They must be deported in boxcars, regardless of the season and weather - they were not driven here, they were not even invited.

      And the main problem is our native officials ...
      1. urzul
        urzul 14 December 2012 11: 07
        0
        the lowest paid posts in government agencies, they plow meekly and suck up on their bosses (you won’t refuse obedience to them, but our officials ... well, I won’t be able to explain it — they’ll be stupid for a penny), priority is given to them to get a job,
        What kind of STATE STRUCTURES are these? DOUKI, etc., etc., have long been no GOS. So where and by whom do they take them to work? And then judging by the comment, then no less than an assistant to the deputy of the State Duma.
        1. vadimN
          vadimN 14 December 2012 11: 35
          12
          Quote: urzul
          What kind of STATE STRUCTURES are these?


          Various government agencies, down to the police. Do not believe? I also did not believe it until I ran into it. I went as recently to renew my weapons license. There it is necessary to certify at the district police officer a certificate of compliance with storage rules. After a short search, the district police officer was discovered ... Tajik. In Russia, 7 years. The first three - worked as a janitor at the district prosecutor's office. Apparently the snow rowed in front of the prosecutor, but in the fifth year he became a citizen of Russia, in the sixth he joined the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Just then there was a campaign to raise the prestige of the precinct profession. He became a junior district inspector, bought somewhere a diploma of some technical school and gained the title of ml. Lieutenant. Now he has become a district police officer (senior inspector), and in the junior inspectors he has the same Tajik, from his native village ... he has an internship. So, dear ... And you say, what state bodies ...
          1. COBOK
            COBOK 14 December 2012 11: 52
            +4
            They are already arming themselves (with a service one), who said what about the riot? (higher or lower) With a hunting smoothbore against Kalash? How many such "true" citizens are there in the army?
          2. Loki77
            Loki77 14 December 2012 12: 20
            +3
            I readily believe. Fertile like cockroaches! You don't even have to go far - now in the first grades of these "friends of man" there are already 30 percent, and what next - "mosquetization"?
          3. Leisure
            Leisure 14 December 2012 17: 18
            0
            UPM, must have a law degree, at least.
            1. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch 14 December 2012 21: 52
              0
              Quote: Lazer
              UPM, must have a law degree, at least.

              Who told you this? A police school, a police graduating from a law school, otherwise a technical school, or any civilian technical school plus training courses, that’s the whole minimum.
          4. donchepano
            donchepano 15 December 2012 07: 57
            0
            Quote: vadimN
            Tajik. In Russia, 7 years. The first three - worked as a janitor at the district prosecutor's office. Apparently the snow rowed in front of the prosecutor, but in the fifth year he became a citizen of Russia, in the sixth he joined the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Just then there was a campaign to raise the prestige of the precinct profession. He became a junior district inspector, bought somewhere a diploma of some technical school and gained the title of ml. Lieutenant. Now he has become a district police officer (senior inspector), and in the junior inspectors he has the same Tajik, from his native village ...


            This guard is already ... just a scribe ... What will happen next?
        2. COBOK
          COBOK 14 December 2012 11: 45
          17
          There are a lot of Azeris in the militia ... But in general, whoever once entrenched himself somewhere, drags his fellow countrymen there, they buy one position for a crowd, crowd into bribes for career growth, and then join them. I had to meet "Chenovnechgs" who barely spoke Russian.

          And about living on a "freebie" - the problem with women in labor from Central Asian countries arises in many border regions of Russia, and in schools practically throughout the country there are many classes in which pupils do not understand Russian at all. And all this, friends, at our expense, our money in the form of taxes is spent on them, it is our children who take the time of doctors and teachers (faced with this, and therefore infuriates), and try to send a howl immediately rises about discrimination. And Russia owes everything to them.
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 52
            +3
            Yes, they are arrogant. Let them go back to Churkestan. They are not needed here in any way.
          2. soaring
            soaring 14 December 2012 14: 18
            +3
            COBOK it is a pity that I can not express my opinion too much, they will turn it off))) you 1000 000 +++++++ to the minuses do not pay attention! )))
      2. vadimN
        vadimN 14 December 2012 11: 27
        +6
        It's funny, however ... Scoop wrote the truth, and it is being minus. Not otherwise, someone from Gaster learned to use the Internet laughing
      3. soaring
        soaring 14 December 2012 14: 14
        +2
        I agree completely ... am
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 December 2012 13: 07
      +6
      Quote: jagdpanzer
      until we limit it and will be, the process will go from here: "they" work, earn, multiply, reproduce and, growing up a little, go back to Russia and so on in a circle ...


      I have already repeatedly written that the issue of pursued or not pursued (let go of its own accord, free. Liberal) policy should be considered from a position - who benefits
      Profitably business above all. In Russia there has developed a dishonest industry of entrepreneurs who profit from the slave labor of migrants, especially illegal immigrants. They do not provide such people with minimum sanitary standards. This leads to the fact that in exactly the same way they do not provide similar standards to local workers, because if there are illegal migrants at hand, then why provide our workers with human working conditions? It leads to dumping (cheapening) in the labor market and secondly, to tremendous social tension, as well as to provoking ethnic conflicts, because people see migrants as the primary source of their troubles. And the most important thing in such conditions the business is not interested in modernization and new technologies and, as a result, highly paid skilled workers In services and trade, it is also established extremely low bar quality of these services. I already wrote, for example, about Tajik shearing sheep who became hairdressers in women's beauty salons.
      Under this business is also built system of corruption in law enforcement and migration authorities, which is directly supervised by municipal authorities at all levels, therefore, any laws on toughening and combating legal and illegal Mograms are again in practice
      the same bodies will decide. In this case corruption will blossom in a new color. Finally, in this state of things parasitic national ethnic mafiawho are engaged in the resale of their compatriots here, to new slave owners.
      Well and most importantly, as I also say repeatedly, Our liberals in power and in business are trying to prevent the revival of Russia as a Russian state. . To do this, they need to remove all questions about the Russian state-forming people, making it minority population. So far, despite all their efforts, the overwhelming majority of us still have more than a threshold of 60% under which the state, by the way, should not be a federation, but a unitary state.
      This situation can only be changed if there is a massive influx of migrants into the country. The company will triumphantly report that the population of the Russian Federation is not declining(and wrote about this in the comments to the Address of the President)
      Thus, the "Russian question" is removed as such at the expense of Russian declarations as one of the minorities, which is not entitled to indicate anything. The status of the Russian language and culture, respectively, is declining .. Everything is in accordance with the current Constitution (and wrote about it yesterday too!)
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 December 2012 13: 10
        17
        Under the theory of a melting pot, such a term as "Russians" was coined in due time. Say, Russia is a melting pot of nations, in which there is no dominant people, which means there is no dominant culture and spirituality. It - the blue dream of liberals whose ultimate goal is the elimination of Russia's sovereignty. Imagine what will happen if the country's population immediately increases by almost 30 million people: migrants will receive civil rights and will soon be able to participate in the elections. At the same time, people who are not associated with either local culture or land will be closely tied to migrant communities, not to mention that they will be tied to local ethnic clans, which will indicate how to vote. Thus, Russia will become different. And the people, which under the Constitution is the source of higher authority, will be represented by completely different people, and not you and I. That is why tightening and control over everything related to migration are needed. And not just in words but in practice .. only landing .. landing .. and landing again ..
        1. vyatom
          vyatom 14 December 2012 13: 53
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Under the theory of a melting pot, such a term as "Russians" was coined in due time. Say, Russia is a melting pot of nations, in which there is no dominant people, which means there is no dominant culture and spirituality. This is the blue dream of liberals, whose ultimate goal is to abolish Russia's sovereignty. Imagine what would happen if the country's population immediately increased by almost 30 million people: migrants would receive civil rights and would soon be able to participate in elections. At the same time, people who are not connected with either local culture or land will be closely tied to migrant communities, not to mention the fact that they will be tied to local ethnic clans, who will direct how to vote. Thus, Russia will become different. And the people, which, according to the Constitution, are the source of supreme power, will be represented by completely different people, not you and me. That is why it is necessary to tighten and control everything related to migration. And not in words but in deeds .. only landing and .. landing .. and again landing ..

          Plus Plus and plus again
  4. Zhenya
    Zhenya 14 December 2012 10: 09
    +8
    Our elite is waiting for half of the visitors to be killed at the next riot (in the history of the Russian Empire, etc.), which is brewing every year and stronger, then no human rights will help. In Russia, if you recall the story with any great excitement, your heads fly be healthy and no one will be interested anymore, family and whom .. who have children. We are not the European Union.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 December 2012 14: 19
      +6
      Quote: Marrying
      Our elite is waiting for half of the visitors to be killed at the next riot (in the history of the Russian Empire, etc.), which is brewing every year and stronger, then no human rights will help.


      Somehow one Armenian told me.
      Are you Russian different patience unlike us. We will shout, we will protrude and sit in the same place, And if you rise then little will not seem to anyone

      I would not like such a turn either to the same residents of the Caucasus (many of whom do not even think about it) or to ordinary guest workers. And if such a liberal policy continues, the Kosovo scenario that our enemies are trying to realize will break through during the collapse of Yugoslavia. and for them I am sure of their last grave. They, too, probably do not want to think about it, going on about momentary geopolitical and economic interests.
  5. Apollo
    Apollo 14 December 2012 10: 09
    +8
    I’ll be brief if you live and work in Russia, I must know the Russian language.
    Although I do not live, in Russia (which I regret), but I know the Russian language perfectly and nobody kicked me up with a kick, I wanted and learned.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 14 December 2012 10: 52
      +4
      Judging by the flag, you are Russian, but live in Germany, so what's the matter ??? If you want to live and work in Russia, we’re welcome, there are many territories, especially since you (I repeat) are Russian or Russian-speaking. So sell property in Germany and to us in Smolensk good, you can in the capital of the black earth, for example, the Voronezh land, beauty, take care of agriculture, well, or in any other region, the places in Russia are picturesque ...... I don’t advise Moscow you can’t feel the difference ...... laughing
  6. Slavs
    Slavs 14 December 2012 10: 11
    +2
    Wow ... They remembered about the second Motherland ... I worked with the Uzbeks for half a year, they had one homeland ... And only 20 people spoke 5 in Russian ...
    1. rolik
      rolik 14 December 2012 10: 48
      +4
      Slavs And when they are taken for the dirty ... pu, they always remember the second Motherland. And she stands in their first place after the first homeland. They just do not behave as a guest in their second Motherland, well, as a guest for the first six months, and then they get red. It’s these overgrown ones that need to be transported to the border by the thousands, and then on foot home. And we have to do it like in other countries where a foreigner opens a business - but 51% of this business belongs to the native citizen of the country. That's right. And not vice versa, when a point in the market belongs to some kind of newcomer, but a Russian aunt trades and is the nominal owner (in simple terms, he works). In this regard, the experience of the UAE is very interesting, where the owners of the whole business are the indigenous people, and visitors work and get their fixed percentage.
  7. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 14 December 2012 10: 18
    +3
    Wow, even from Germany someone "came in large numbers" to us!
    And in China, it seems to me the data are not true.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 December 2012 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: Milafon
      Wow, even from Germany someone "came in large numbers" to us!
      And in China, it seems to me the data are not true.



      I pay tribute to your humor and irony. I assure you, I will give odds to your experts. wassat
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 14 December 2012 11: 46
        0
        Paying tribute to your modesty - just say thank you.
  8. strannik595
    strannik595 14 December 2012 10: 23
    +7
    Tajiks and Uzbeks are well aware of who they are coming here for, for how long and what their prospects are in the labor market in Russia ........... therefore they think that learning a language is not necessary, the main thing is to earn your penny and the owner did not throw ................ some of our emigrants in the States lived half their lives and also know English at the level of a four-year-old child, because they are spinning in the Russian-speaking diaspora
    1. urzul
      urzul 14 December 2012 10: 39
      +1
      Therefore, the housing office or, excuse me, the "cleaning agency" (What kind of beast? No such) it is much more profitable to recruit the so-called external labor migrants from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan to your 15-20 staff, pay them a "minimum wage" and allow them to live together as a platoon, even in a transformer box, even in the basement of an apartment building. Cheap and cheerful, as they say. (In 50% of cases this is not possible, since not all customers want to see comrades from Asia. But more often they take Belarusians and Ukrainians, who by the way will work in the same conditions)But they won’t swing the rights ... And they will, so there is such an amazing structure as the FMS, which can suddenly open its eyes to the presence of illegal foreign workers without documents and permission to work. Moreover, the employer himself often all possible sanctions to provide jobs to illegal immigrants, in a strange way, bypassing ... And why would it? .. (If the employee himself does not indicate in the explanatory note that he works in such a company for such an uncle, then there will be SOMEONE to punish)

      In our city there was a case when two visitors from Uzbekistan were hit by a car, the embassy replied that they had no time to export the bodies, so the employer had to send 200 cargo to his homeland at his own expense. To be honest, many feel sorry for them, because in fact they voluntarily come into slavery.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 14 December 2012 10: 26
    12
    Of course, visitors to Russia should know the language. BUT - Russian language is primarily needed by those who have come to work. After all, they are deceived and exploited because they do not know the language! And if they know the language, they will understand the laws! And the author is right - most of all it scares the officials who warm their hands on migrants. And the fact that people do not know Russian is the fruit of "independence" and the collapse of Soviet education!
  10. USNik
    USNik 14 December 2012 10: 54
    +1
    We are waiting for a new section in "our rush", as "nasalniks" pass the exam in the great and mighty ...
  11. evgenii67
    evgenii67 14 December 2012 11: 03
    0
    left in the photo is Jet Li laughing apparently came to Mosfilm
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 14 December 2012 11: 09
      0
      and right on the course, close-up of actor Sammo Hung from the series "Chinese policeman" is also apparently on Mosfilm request
  12. Strashila
    Strashila 14 December 2012 11: 06
    0
    We’ll also teach them ... to write and count. It’s up to the bulldozer, to sell drugs and go home.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 14 December 2012 12: 32
      0
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  13. djon3volta
    djon3volta 14 December 2012 11: 09
    -1
    tell me, who is more useful to the state and economy of Russia - from bulk-daredevils, Moscow hamsters (no one rallies except Moscow), or from guest workers of builders, janitors? I know from whom, I think, and you know, just don’t tell me openly , because the truth hurts my eyes tongue
  14. UzRus
    UzRus 14 December 2012 11: 16
    +4
    This law has a "downside" side - cunning businessmen are already offering certificates for passing the language proficiency exam for money, it seems that NTV has already shown a story. In short, as they say, there is demand - there is supply. I agree that those who come to work MUST know the language of the host country.
  15. baltika-18
    baltika-18 14 December 2012 11: 22
    +7
    The starter praised herself, unemployment 5,2%. There is a lie, there is a monstrous lie, and there are statistics. The star uses the numbers officially registered by the unemployed, registered. And where are almost 12 million alcoholics, homeless people, drug addicts, the so-called declassed elements of which no one at all It doesn’t take into account anywhere. Those who live, if it can be called life, theft, periodic black money, begging. This problem is as serious as unemployment, and the influx of migrant workers.
    1. paul33
      paul33 14 December 2012 12: 55
      +2
      you still forgot to say that this statistic is very tricky, it includes only those who are officially registered on the exchange, in fact there are not so many such people because from our exchange you won’t find any normal work with it, I know this by hearsay because had to face
      1. Trofimov174
        Trofimov174 14 December 2012 15: 36
        0
        There are many such people, because many want to have a small present in the form of a manual.
  16. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 14 December 2012 11: 36
    +6
    It is high time to introduce a visa regime, as with any other state.
    Let the Russian Embassy in Dushanbe and Tashkent prove their need for Russia.
    In the 90s, the Russians themselves were driven out, killed, robbed, taken away housing and said "I don't like going to your Russia."
    And now they have peered. am
    1. COBOK
      COBOK 14 December 2012 11: 54
      +4
      And soon they will be kicked out, take away housing (they are killing and robbing now) and shouting: "I don't like it, leave OUR Russia"

      Somehow
  17. Svarog
    Svarog 14 December 2012 11: 47
    +3
    I consider it necessary to know the Russian language. Just tell me where does the cost of 3000 rubles for the exam come from? You don’t think that someone will not have a sickly gain on this. Well, about "There is an opinion that foreign citizens are discouraged from taking a test of Russian language proficiency not at all because it is expensive, but because when passing the exam you can, excuse me," burn yourself out "in front of the accounting services" - complete nonsense, who works illegally and enters and will not take anything.
    Employers have already said many times - simplify the procedure (it wasn’t even about the price, but the difficulty of obtaining permits) and stop working illegally.
    PS In Siberia, wipers (Russians as a rule) are arranged only for the spring (end) -summer-fall (beginning) season - they pay well, there is little work. For the winter, no one wants to - have to work. Heads of kindergartens and schools are forced to transfer part of the money for the winter, cutting salaries at other times. In this case, no one wants to go. They pay there normally, relative to other areas (with more qualifications). Well, in schools and children. they find gardens somewhere, but around the houses they clean 1-2 times during the winter, and that’s all with a scraper.
    1. I-16M
      I-16M 14 December 2012 18: 24
      +2
      I have not seen Russian janitors for a long time. More precisely, in management companies. Private traders, as a rule, are hired by Russians.
  18. bubla5
    bubla5 14 December 2012 12: 06
    +4
    We have no order anywhere, everywhere a mess, so migration policy is a bluff, only loot is cut and that's it
  19. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 14 December 2012 12: 18
    +3
    a good person will not be called a Good Man.
  20. anchonsha
    anchonsha 14 December 2012 12: 22
    +3
    For a long time, apparently, this question will remain with us until our officials and entrepreneurs are punished with heavy fines. And it is time to introduce a visa regime with post-Soviet countries, otherwise the Russians will be redundant in their country.
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 14 December 2012 13: 21
      +2
      anchonsha (2), so everyone is talking about it! It is possible and necessary to do well and correctly so that employers, guest workers, and the state, who will receive income in the form of taxes, are satisfied. But corruption! ...
  21. PIRAT
    PIRAT 14 December 2012 12: 59
    0
    On the one hand, it’s good that there are such workers who will go to work for dirty work, where the Russian does not agree to go, on the other hand, it’s bad because they cut down their salaries because I work for a penny. I’m not sure that this problem will be solved; it exists not only in Russia, but also in other countries.
  22. mrAnderson
    mrAnderson 14 December 2012 13: 33
    +4
    http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332

    if the director of the portal on employment ALREADY writes ....
    1. EW
      EW 14 December 2012 18: 46
      +1
      Well done Zakharov!
  23. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 December 2012 13: 34
    +8
    If you don’t want to learn Russian, go to your homeland. I, too, did not want to teach the Kyrgyz and dumped them on their homeland, in Russia.
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 14 December 2012 16: 18
      0
      And were you born in Russia or Kyrgyzstan?
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 December 2012 16: 36
    +3
    Well, I'll throw my five cents. Previously, a newcomer was provided with housing. Though a bed. Lifting provided. They tried to keep the people in production. Yes, they paid little. But in general, the employee was covered part of the costs. And now they also pay little, but spin as you want. I myself worked at the factory and I know how it is when sn from 15 to 6 tons per month, depending on the availability of the order. And guest workers solve the problem only at a time when the rest of them live well. Difficult years will come and we won’t see them here. This is about the issue of keeping the Far East as part of the Russian Federation and the transfer of Gaster from Central Asia there.
    1. I-16M
      I-16M 14 December 2012 18: 13
      +3
      The Far East, Siberia and other regions of Russia will perfectly "hold out" if no emigrants are brought there!
  25. I-16M
    I-16M 14 December 2012 18: 16
    +6
    EMPLOYEES OF RUSSIA DO NOT NEED
    And whoever says the opposite is the enemy of our state!
  26. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 14 December 2012 21: 10
    +6
    But in principle, what is the problem?
    Why is it that in any of the former Soviet republics (for example, in Kazakhstan) they are practically forcibly forced to learn the Kazakh language and all kinds of "traditions" of Kazakhs, and this is all under the brand of development and independence of the titular Kazakh nation. ... But why should only the Russians declare their rights or simply remind them of their existence, when the cries of hegemonism and nationalism immediately begin and ... the devil knows what else ... and the Russians are always to blame.
    Again, by analogy with the same Kazakhstan - the Republic of Kazakhstan, when it collapsed, got huge industrial potential from nowhere, huge areas for spring, a huge livestock ... and ... safely over the 20 years of rule, all this was profaned by the Kazakhs and at the same time constantly accused and the Russians are accused ...
    So, it is necessary to prescribe at the legislative level (like the Kazakhs) compulsory knowledge of the Russian language ... and the traditions of the Russian people, but do not want to - do not let them build their own separate primitive communal societies in their separate khanates.
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 14 December 2012 21: 41
      0
      Big plus ++++++++++++++++++
    2. romb
      romb 14 December 2012 22: 27
      -7
      Don’t share the link?
      Where and when did Kazakhstan go to developed industry?
      In such organizations as "State Property Committee" under the Ministry of Finance of the Republic of Kazakhstan, "ARP" of the Ministry of State Duma of the Republic of Kazakhstan (former) and "KND" of the Ministry of Finance of the Republic of Kazakhstan, there are a lot of interesting documents that directly indicate (by surname): who, where, when and what in the first half of the 90s. x sold and where he left.
      Recall who they were mainly - directors of the enterprise, which were fusing unique technologies to China at the price of scrap metal.
      1. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 15 December 2012 16: 28
        +6
        Dear romb!
        And why are the references ???
        I’ll name you specifically the enterprises of national importance which, upon the instructions of the Kazakh leadership, were specially (!) Plundered and plundered, now weeds are growing in their territory, some of which are bazaars ... not a bad decision ... Yes !!! Just don’t say yet that the Russians took the livestock with them and ate along the road ... everything was put under a knife ... and the sown area ... take a trip - look and compare from 80 to the collapse ... look both funny and bitter.
        Enterprise -
        Petropavlosky Heavy Engineering Plant - no longer exists.
        The plant of electrical insulation materials named after Kalinin does not exist. By the way, there were only 2 such plants in the Union!
        The small engine plant (core assignment at the Navy) - does not exist. But half the territory turned into a bazaar.
        The Kirov plant (specialized purpose of radio equipment and radio engineering for the Moscow Region) does not exist. In the former workshops - a bazaar.
        The plant named after Kuibyshev (specialized assignment of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy) does not exist. The territory was sold, bazaars, some kind of warehouses.
        Petropavlovsk meat processing plant - products for export, Moscow region. No longer exists. The territory was sold, several semi-underground workshops, some kind of lemonade shop, etc.
        DSC - house-building plant ... does not exist.
        MLC - wood processing plant ... does not exist.
        Reinforced concrete plant ... does not exist.
        Mekhkolonna 60 - construction of power lines and substations in the USSR and abroad. Virtually nonexistent.
        KazElectromontazh - construction of overhead transmission lines, cable lines, transformer substations, distribution poles, etc. Practically does not exist.
        Trust Soyuz Tselinvod - does not exist. Purpose - the construction of trunk pipelines to provide water to districts, villages, etc.
        Petropavlovsk fish factory - breeding, fishing and processing of fish products does not exist.
        .... This is only a dozen enterprises ... within the boundaries of one city.
        All these enterprises were deliberately looted at the direction of the leadership of Kazakhstan ... so that the Russians did not get it! Although no one was going to take them. Moreover, the Russian side asked not to destroy these and other enterprises, to preserve ... or reprofile, but ... nat. ambitions triumphed.
        You can, for example, also remember the enriched uranium reserves left under the Alma-Ata ... rather in large quantities.
        You can recall about Baikonur ... what happened ... and what remains, about Stepnogorsk ... yes, a lot, a lot of things went to Kazakhstan, but how was this property of the people of the whole USSR disposed of?
        Almost everything was stolen, what remained was just small semi-handicraft production. For example, a screwdriver and hammer assembly of cars from completely Chinese components and spare parts (from bolt to tires - all of China).
        1. Spooky
          Spooky 15 December 2012 16: 47
          0
          And endless nuclear tests that turned out to be completely goofy because you completely lost the Cold War !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lost the Cold War completely! For 30 years my parents were able to buy a refrigerator dnipro in their youth and a freezer minsk 17, which has a consumption of 2.31 kW per day !!!!!!!!! Both were bought for a bribe! The Kirov plant is located in the city center - this is complete nonsense! Why is the plant in the center of the city, where more than 1.485 million people live according to official figures! There is a private meat processing plant in the shops near Petropavlovsk, it plows! DSK - again in the center of the city, after all, they are building the interchanges that the Bolsheviks could not build! In 74 years, the Council of Deputies could not build a metro in Almaty, but for bribes and registrations in Yerevan and Minsk they built a metro, and where are these cities? the population of armenia has decreased over 20 years by 20% in belarus in 1999, 10.4 million people and in 2009, 9.8 million people! An acquaintance guy works for a Japanese uranium mining company in Yuko, much cooler than under the Russians !!!!!!!!!! In 1990, tengiz burned, "great Soviet scientists" suggested detonating a nuclear bomb to extinguish !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hangover delirium !!!!!!!!! Vile America put out in 5 months, it was shown on Russian TV !!!!!!!!!!!!
  27. builder74
    builder74 14 December 2012 21: 29
    +3
    It’s funny to see on TV discussions about the labor market in Russia, about the deficit of the pension fund, about migrants. It’s funny because Everyone understands that any statistics on this subject are fake:
    - a huge% of non-employed workers;
    - a huge share of "gray" salaries, even for officially arranged ones (ie, contributions to the PF = minimum);
    - all kinds of part-time labor agreements (fictitious, of course, to reduce tax payments);
    - on migrants .... yes nobody at all understands how many of them, what and where!
    Caring for our economy? So let's take measures to protect workers! At least some! Let's take a REAL WAY! Let’s prohibit issuing salaries in cash (at least in cities from 300 or 500 thousand people), it’s straightforward to make this a criminal offense with the responsibility of the director, the chapters. together with the cashier and cashier, let's be puzzled by the level of salaries in factories, in medical medicine, science, and education. Do you predict a shortage of workforce? Accept the COMPREHENSIVE program to increase the birth rate. For TV advertising of large families as often as before, advertising for beer and cigarettes, so that children all the way to graduation is REALLY free, to single mothers, the care of the state, and sports for children — free, for real (and not, that the trainers themselves in the free sections are starting to milk)! Show the children of those who work (and not these fraudsters x ... commerce, sluts in different guises and mongrels with singers) and achieve benefits LABOR!
    [spoiler] For migrants the same trouble: let's deliver!They brought it in. Oh, and it turns out they don’t know Russian and don’t want to know, they want to cut sheep in yards, demand some kind of rights, they are sick, etc., etc. And first, let’s think about EVERYTHING first, and then we’ll deliver-A ?! But we will deliver howmust, where it is necessary, and on the conditions necessary to US !!!! No, these b ... figures flood the country with hordes of illiterate, meek in relation to the employer, humiliated people of a different culture, people of obscure religious views, etc. -What for? Is it profitable for business? It’s you gentlemen, statesmen created such conditions for business and for the people! Someone correctly remarked: the money received by the guests from Central Asia will be enough to send home to the family, but our money will not be enough for our families! What will we equal to the CIS countries in terms of living standards? No? Then for what ... do you let them into the country? (By the way, can anyone know: is it true that their children born here are citizens of Russia?),

    Someone asked why employers are not punished for illegal immigrants - everything is elementary: the organization "X" draws up a labor resource for itself. Organization "X" has a large quota for a foreign slave. strength. (How she formalized this quota, I will not lie, I do not know. But the former employees of the Federal Migration Service are the leaders of "X".). Then "X" RENT the staff to "U" company. And that's it! Staff lease agreement, everything is legal! And everyone knows this. Here is such a "Y" ogurt.

    Here, one doesn’t even have to wrinkle one’s forehead strongly — enter entry to work only at the invitation of a particular company, register the responsibility of this company for the migrant’s departure within the declared time period (and even oblige him to travel abroad at the insurance company). To oblige the employer to present a rental contract with a calculation of the sanitary norm per person. To obligate the use of migrants full time, set min. tariffs by profession (not lower than local) and even transfer salaries to cards to them.,
    1. builder74
      builder74 14 December 2012 21: 32
      +1
      Plus, teaching the Russian language, confirmation of prof. fitness, etc. And guest workers are barred from changing their jobs. That's all! How many will remain in this situation? Although, I personally would have done it, I would have been tougher, as I wrote earlier ...
  28. sprut
    sprut 14 December 2012 23: 52
    +1
    Everything is correct. Migration policies need to be tightened.
  29. Antistaks
    Antistaks 15 December 2012 00: 17
    +2
    About small unemployment NONSENSE. They just stopped registering on the exchange - the allowance is miserable and a bunch of hemorrhagic. And hidden unemployment is present. I’ve been sitting at home since September, even though I’m registered as working - so at least the experience is going on. And then tomorrow they will pass the law on 40 years of service and will have to work until their death.
  30. bart74
    bart74 15 December 2012 00: 55
    +2
    The theme is hackneyed. They exaggerate it on the site constantly. Read Marx Capital. Everything is written there. Capitalism - making a profit at the expense of labor (read the difference in the salary) of the employee. The less the employer pays the workers, the more he will have. Especially in the service sector. Especially in production. These are all excuses that they say raw materials, energy, gas, water. Hence the relocation of production to China and Southeast Asia. Hence the influx of Gaster. This is an indicator that the economy is at least somehow working, because in the East this is almost nonexistent.
    The conclusion is simple, discarding demagogy - to change the system. Social oriented.
    But this, I’m not afraid of this word, is Demagogy.
    Until mutual respect between the employer and the employee arises, nothing will change. And this is unlikely. Any boss, with rare exceptions, will still consider himself a bump out of the blue. And it will be as less to pay you or even throw.
    Therefore, there is no way out.
    Not yet.
    There are exceptions - to learn, improve skills.
    A Good Professional will always have a job. I know these. Gaster for 100 rubles per sq. Plaster, but I know a guy - he does not take less than 800. But he is a MASTER.
    Although I am for the fact that a person studied. It is better to be a Russian foreman over the brigade of Tajiks and Chinese. Than Russian bastard plasterer with a Gaster-inter-brigade.
    Optimism to all. We create our own happiness.
  31. Pushkar
    Pushkar 15 December 2012 01: 02
    +3
    I would like to note another hidden channel of illegal migration from Central Asia. Many of those leaving on vacation home "suddenly" lose all documents. Take a police certificate (to leave). In fact, they sell the entire package to an illegal. And then - Karim, who lost his documents, left, and he enters, only Kerim, tk. in Tajik it is the same name. By the nature of my work, I observe this every day.
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2012 08: 40
    +1
    In order to clearly understand how many have entered and how many have left, you need to make the borders "sealed". With registration for entry and exit. Up to fingerprinting and chipization, at least in the form of individual cards. This will not make life difficult for migrants. By the way, when leaving or losing the card, it is automatically canceled. Then there will be only one question, how to take these lads out of our homeland?
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 16 December 2012 18: 35
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      Quote: Zomanus
      how to take this loot out of our homeland?

      In the carcasses.
      As a last resort in tsynka.
  33. Spooky
    Spooky 15 December 2012 13: 37
    -1
    And what can Russians still not teach Russian migrant workers ?????? Weak you and the industry you killed, Nikita Khrushchev promised to overtake and overtake America and surpassed in the number of air crashes ....... have long overtaken - 13 in a year!
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 15 December 2012 13: 46
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      Spooky
      Quote: Spooky
      And what can Russians still not teach Russian migrant workers?


      obviously you have the Chinese learning your language with a bang!


      Quote: Spooky
      Weak you and the industry you killed


      yes Kazakhstan - we can’t catch up with the world industrial center crying


      Quote: Spooky
      and surpass America and surpassed in the number of air crashes


      What side are you actually facing aviation?
      1. Spooky
        Spooky 15 December 2012 15: 55
        -1
        Recently, our train went off the rails, the culprit is the Ukrainian plant, it seems, the basics! Your Yushchenko came, offered to buy an 148, which had already broken somewhat, the latter fell into the Caspian! In addition to Viagra and burning Kiev women there is nothing to brag about! One Kivelianka told me that the top 5 banks in Ukraine include the Kazakh bank by the Tunal, in our country it is considered dead! tongue

        We will still learn how to right in the parliament !!!!!!!!!!!!!! wassat
  34. arthur_hammer
    arthur_hammer 15 December 2012 14: 20
    +1
    these rams do not want to learn Russian, then you need to drive them home on kicks
  35. figvamforever
    figvamforever 16 December 2012 18: 52
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    Quote: Ribwort
    I think if the existing policy regarding migrant workers continues, I won’t be surprised when over time the question of the originality of Russian lands will be called into question. This is a time bomb that one way or another will ever explode.

    Well, why "over time". By the end of the second term of Putin and his entourage (I hope the people will not elect him anymore), the Russians may well be squeezed out of Stavropol and Krasnodar Territory. This is where it comes to. In my opinion, if the Caucasus does not move away from Russia, all of Russia in 30 years will become one big Caucasian Kosovo.
    1. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 16 December 2012 20: 49
      +1
      Well, here the most important thing is that you dear Americans do not help ...
      Can I somehow do without you?!? Everywhere so "glorious" USA will get in for some reason ... sorry (I hope no one will be offended for this expression ... BUT IT'S TRUE!) Shit and shit. Whether Kosovo, even Transnistria, or maybe Afghan or Iraq ...
      And what do you dear V.V. Putin did not please? Is there in your America?
      To me personally, he (Putin) is more impressed than Gorbi or the same Borya E. ...
      It is not so simple to restore what was so famously and with a whistle, with screams and screams pulled apart ... but nevertheless they themselves compare Russia at the moment is not what it was even 10 years ago.
      And the Navy, however, goes hiking after a long downtime at the walls (no, of course I understand that this is bad for the states, but I’m not sorry about that) and the Strategic Missile Forces, too, have begun to modernize (by the way, you are so caring there in the states .. ., then why the hell is this damn missile defense system all the more under the nose of Russia ??? Oh, just do not have to whistle about care, etc. - nonsense!) ...
      So let us, as we are Russians, somehow with God's help and with our brains we will figure it out for ourselves .... In the end, we don’t come to you with "good" advice on Barack or Abama ...
  36. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator 21 December 2012 13: 49
    0
    Drive them to the neck of all you need, they generally beguiled the coast !!!!!!!!!!!!