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Campaign of PMC "Wagner" to Moscow as an inoculation against a coup d'état

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Campaign of PMC "Wagner" to Moscow as an inoculation against a coup d'état



The Chinese have an old proverb - "God forbid you live in an era of change", which, paraphrased, can sound like a curse. The question is, have there ever been stories humanity periods of "no change"? Take at least the last 40 years - the war in Afghanistan, the collapse of the USSR, the coup and the shooting of the White House, two wars in Chechnya, terrorist attacks all over the planet, wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, a big African war, which few people have heard of, eight days the war in Georgia, the coronavirus epidemic and its harbingers in the form of bird and swine flu, and finally, the war between Russia and Ukraine with the countries of the West, with the turbulence of internal political processes in our country and the dreams of the collective West of a new coup d'état.

Oh, how they rejoiced when the columns of PMC "Wagner" went towards Moscow. One can only imagine what kind of festive atmosphere reigned in the headquarters of our enemy - here it is, the civil war, everything that they had dreamed of for so long, veterans of the US intelligence structures of the 90s wiped a stingy male tear from their cheeks.

But it didn't end up the way they expected.

24.06.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX - another tragic date in modern Russian history


We will remember this date for a long time. At least, I would like to hope so, because sometimes it seems that many people have a memory - like aquarium fish ...

When on the evening of June 23.06.2023, XNUMX, the first reports appeared about the movement of the Wagner PMC columns towards Moscow, it all seemed like some kind of bad fake, propaganda of the Ukrainian Center for Information and Psychological Operations (CIPSO). Some kind of absurdity - there is a war going on, the armed forces of Ukraine (AFU) are actively striking at our positions, and at that moment there is information about some strikes by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (AF of the Russian Federation) on PMC "Wagner", which the Russian Ministry of Defense denies , then information appears about the movement of PMC "Wagner" towards Moscow in order to conduct a "showdown" with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Over time, some information began to be confirmed - the columns of PMC "Wagner" really began to move towards Moscow. There was information about downed helicopters and an aircraft of the RF Armed Forces, reports about the combat vehicles of the Wagner PMC destroyed by air strikes.


Footage from the crash site of a Ka-52 combat helicopter of the RF Armed Forces

The Ukrainian CIPSO immediately became more active, among the true messages false ones began to appear, attempts by Ukraine and Western countries to shake the situation became obvious, fugitive Belarusian Nazis called on their supporters to prepare for a coup d'état in Belarus, the media of Western countries briskly renamed the fighters of PMC "Wagner" from terrorists to "freedom fighters" (and then back to terrorists).

Traffic on the M-2 and M-4 motorways has stalled, checkpoints have been organized. The author had a chance to drive along one of the highways behind a military kung with armed soldiers - their faces were very, very tense. It is unlikely that the fighters of the RF Armed Forces did not understand what a direct clash with battle-hardened PMC fighters could lead to. It is unlikely that the PMC fighters did not understand that entering Moscow would entail a massacre.


Footage of the fall of the burning Il-22M aircraft

In such situations, the authorities always have an instinctive desire to close all channels of information exchange, except for official ones, but, fortunately, this time it was not done. There is no doubt that both Wagner PMC fighters and Russian Armed Forces fighters have means of communication and use them to read popular Telegram channels and other independent online media. And there is a high probability that they didn’t like what the Wagner PMC fighters saw in these Telegram channels about themselves - it’s one thing to be a national hero, another to be a traitor.

Imagine for a second that the Internet was turned off throughout the country, that Telegram channels and independent Internet media were silenced, that only official information about the rebellion was being disseminated - could the Wagner PMC fighters clearly understand that the population does not support them? That the army does not support them? Or are they in full confidence that everything that the official media say is propaganda, would they go to the checkpoints, to Moscow, until the bloodbath begins?

It is possible that at the very moment when Prigozhin and his fighters began to realize that their campaign did not arouse the support of the majority of the Russian population, they became morally ready to reach agreements and compromise.

Yes, many will say that these agreements are disgusting - the pilots of the military space forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation died, that the perpetrators should be punished, but, unfortunately, this is the essence of compromise solutions - to accept the sacrifice of tens in order to save tens of thousands lives. Or maybe more, given that a potentially armed clash between the Wagner PMC and the RF Armed Forces could lead to a full-fledged civil war.

What happened allows us to draw one important conclusion - independent media are vital to ensure the stability of the state. It was the independent media that made a significant contribution to saving the country from the bloody slaughter.

The authorities will always be tempted to close them or limit the scope of activities of independent media, but then the state will become politically unstable and unstable, since the state media will inevitably give the “correct” information, because they are dependent and controlled. The population will gradually cease to trust the state media, the majority will completely atrophy critical thinking and the ability to distinguish truth from lies, which will make the population vulnerable to the sweet speeches of "foreign voices", as was the case in the late Soviet period.

When the aircraft begins to roll, its control system restores its balance through a negative feedback mechanism. Independent media is a kind of "negative feedback" between the state and society, which does not allow them to tumble into the abyss.

Does PMC have a future in Russia?


But how well it all started - from an unknown organization PMC "Wagner" quickly turned into the largest private military company, equipped with modern weapons.

The level of public confidence in PMC Wagner and Prigozhin was extremely high, they were praised by their own people and cursed by strangers. Talk about PMC "Wagner" were the leaders of the Western countries - of course, they felt that they could soon lose their African possessions. Of course, one cannot fail to mention the role that PMC "Wagner" played in the course of the NMD in Ukraine - the heavy assaults on Bakhmut, which has now become Artyomovsk, the heroism of the fighters.

And then, in the blink of an eye, everything collapsed. Now, few people will talk about how he served in the Wagner PMC, so as not to run into the question - But isn't it you who shot down our plane?

But was PMC Wagner a private military company?

Prigozhin himself said that this is nothing more than a well-established name, that the goal of Wagner PMC is not to make money, as a private military company should be, but to serve the state.

The legal status of Wagner PMC is unclear. Until PMC "Wagner" operated in African countries, the direction of their activities was quite consistent with the activities of PMCs, but if we talk about the participation of PMC "Wagner" in the SVO, then it is more difficult to determine their status here - volunteer units? Mercenaries? Something in between?

Of course, now, in the wake of emotions, many have a desire to completely curtail the activities of PMCs in Russia and forget this topic forever, leaving the monopoly on violence in the hands of the state. Of course, this will greatly please our enemies, perhaps the President of France himself will pass a glass of champagne on this occasion, but is this the right way for us?

The author's opinion about PMCs has not changed - structures of this type have been and will remain one of the most flexible and effective instruments of the state's foreign policy, and this instrument has a great future.

But the format of PMCs should definitely change.

First of all, PMCs must obtain a legal status that regulates the procedure for their work, the procedure for their interaction with the RF Armed Forces, the procedure for acquiring and using weapons and armaments. The activities of PMCs should be allowed only outside the territory of the Russian Federation - PMCs should work where the presence of the RF Armed Forces, at least openly, is inappropriate. Powerful, efficient and manageable private military companies will not only make it possible to effectively defend Russia's political and economic interests abroad, but will also provide jobs for those categories of people who are ill-suited for civilian life, due to their innate increased aggressiveness.

Such PMCs will not pose a threat to their country, since they will receive weapons only outside the territory of Russia, and their training will be carried out at remote training grounds and military bases under the control of the Russian Defense Ministry.

There is no doubt that what happened caused significant damage to our country as a whole, as well as to specific individuals in particular - civilians, military personnel, fighters of the Wagner PMC. However, it could have ended much worse. It is necessary to carefully and carefully understand the nature of this conflict, the reasons that gave rise to it, so that this tragedy does not happen again in the future.
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  1. ivan2022
    ivan2022 29 June 2023 04: 36
    +2
    It is clear that there should be some limit to privatization.

    To prevent the various oligarchic clans from redistributing their relations on the territory of the country. In essence, what we saw was a showdown perpetrated by a grandiose private security company according to the scheme of the 90s, when they could have attacked the police department.

    Outside the country and at the expense of foreign companies and governments - please, let everything be smashed to pieces there .... .
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 29 June 2023 09: 16
      +16
      Quote: ivan2022
      It is clear that there should be some limit to privatization.


      So we have plans, and they want to carry out a new privatization, officials are directly talking about this (Kostin is the head of VTB. then Nabiulina, Oreshkin noted at the economic forum ... + many in the government probably have such a position) .... but all this will be, after the completion of the SVO, and most likely after the elections of 2024, so that the ratings do not sag ahead of time.

      And according to Prigogine and Wagner, in principle, everything has already been said these days, points of view have been formed, as well as the positions of VO readers. But I would look at this situation from the point of view of the processes themselves in Russia ... what do we have?

      The failed rebellion was suppressed, the authorities received a resounding slap in the face from society (because there are 25-50 thousand PMC Wagner fighters + huge support among the people) ... and what conclusions did she draw? I decided to tighten the screws better :) in the state media they began to "drown" the rebels, they threw everything they could, and Prigozhin's departure to Belarus is not a goodwill gesture of the president .... just a civil war, obviously would not add to the popularity of GDP , and would have a strong impact on the elections of 2024 + having such a power resource (like Wagner), the consequences could be unpredictable, since we have regions with strong regional elites (Chechnya, Tatarstan, etc.) and if it were not possible to extinguish everything quickly, and the authorities would have shown even greater weakness ... then the very existence of the state could be endangered.

      As a result, the GDP, from the situation that turned out, tried to get out in a strong position, but he clearly made the wrong conclusions about the reasons for the rebellion .... all those problems that worried society remained, the authorities even hinted at solving these problems did not show, but decided to further strengthen control over society and the elites so that the situation would not happen again.

      Now it remains only to wait for the lid of the pot (on the stove) to fly away and we will see, 1917 ... and what happened on 24.06.23/XNUMX/XNUMX was not even a rehearsal, but just a bell.

      Can we avoid the revolution scenario? We can ... if only a purge of the elites takes place, and the demands of society are heard at the top, but this has not happened in 30 years, on the contrary, those people who come from the "family", the oligarchs - who made capital in the 90s, and the "close ones" clung to power even more strongly .... and according to the mind, the new elite (immigrants from the NWO: military / officers / young managers, etc.) should come to replace it, but will the old elites give up power? I'm not sure here.
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 June 2023 09: 33
        +2
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        should come to replace, but will the old elites give up power? I'm not sure here.

        Anecdote 1970h
        "Will I be a marshal?
        - and the marshal has his own grandson ... "(c)

        Never and nowhere, even in the USSR, at least somewhere - the elites don’t just give up their power
        1. AUL
          AUL 29 June 2023 09: 59
          +12
          Quote: your1970
          Never and nowhere, even in the USSR, at least somewhere - the elites don’t just give up their power

          But at the same time, they rushed very briskly "over the hill" when they just smelled "some inconvenience" for them. And in which case - they will not fight (at least with their own hands), they will scatter like rats from a sinking ship!
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 29 June 2023 22: 31
            0
            Quote from AUL
            And in which case - they will not fight (at least with their own hands), they will scatter like rats from a sinking ship!

            From the "unbelievable but true" series, when the runaway rats left the ship, it stopped sinking. So in itself, the process of flight of the rasping bureaucracy that has begun, gives a chance for the strengthening and prosperity of the state in the future. Yes
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2023 17: 31
          -3
          Quote: your1970
          Never and nowhere, even in the USSR, at least somewhere - the elites don’t just give up their power

          Quit contra. You are already tired of your schizoid anti-Soviet.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 July 2023 17: 32
          -3
          Quote: your1970
          Never and nowhere, even in the USSR, at least somewhere - the elites don’t just give up their power

          Quim contra. Already tired of his schizoid anti-Soviet.
      2. comradChe
        comradChe 29 June 2023 10: 09
        +11
        I completely agree with you, Zatreschina was loud, the king’s eyes became sour. But it’s still far from a mortal fright. It is clear that there will NEVER be ANY positive conclusions. And that means "let's thunder to the fanfare" necessarily, perhaps for the last time.
      3. shikin
        shikin 29 June 2023 12: 59
        -9
        "... but he clearly made the wrong conclusions about the reasons for the rebellion ..." - did Putin himself report to you about his conclusions? You should not invent something for other people, including for Putin. Only a few days have passed, and it is too early to draw conclusions.
        And for a revolutionary situation, you need "the top can't, the bottom don't want to." In 1917 the "top" - the government - was very weak in many aspects, especially in order in the country. And the "lower classes" had a number of strong organized parties, some with fighting squads. And to these "lower classes" were added millions of trained, accustomed to blood, angry soldiers (they were added after the removal of the legitimate government - the king - from power, and not before). Do you think there are any analogies with the present tense?
        And Prigozhin's rebellion does not even pull on the Pugachev region.
        And few people know and see how the change of elites and their struggle is going on - this is not for the public. And these processes were and are everywhere and always, in any country and under any system. It was in the USSR, and in the USA, and in China.
        1. Vicontas
          Vicontas 29 June 2023 20: 58
          -4
          And nothing is finished yet! Military expert Sivkov today at Newsland said that those who sent the Wagners to Moscow were preparing a continuation of the "banquet". And while in Moscow, they were sweating over this task!
      4. former soldier
        former soldier 30 June 2023 07: 40
        0
        So we have plans, and they want to carry out a new privatization, officials are directly talking about this

        They just do not say what socially significant goal the new privatization has. sad In the 90s, they allegedly talked about an effective owner. Now silence.

        ps Theoretically, money from privatization is needed to close the hole in the country's budget. Whether it is necessary to reduce the regulatory function of the state in the economy, especially in the context of the NWO, this is a big question.
  2. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 29 June 2023 04: 39
    +21
    Still, there is a difference between the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy, when the great empire was destroyed

    Dear Author! The Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the "liberal-democratic" Provisional Government, which, in turn, had previously destroyed the "decayed monarchy." History does not tolerate abbreviations and adapted texts...
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 29 June 2023 05: 03
      +10
      Right remark!

      I will only add that in August 1917 the legislative body - the Petrograd Soviet received its own power structure: "Red Guard". To participate in the liquidation of the Kornilov rebellion.

      And subsequently, the Red Guard played a decisive role, ensuring the implementation of the decision of the 2nd All-Russian Congress to change the government.

      But in October 1993, the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies turned out to be defenseless ....... And the "heroes - tankers" simply shot him for bucks.

      Arch-important moment! A representative, directly elected body of power must have its own security forces in direct subordination so as not to be subjected to violence by a non-elected branch of power.

      For power without force is an empty place.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 29 June 2023 07: 37
        +11
        Quote: ivan2022
        Arch-important moment! A representative, directly elected body of power must have its own security forces in direct subordination so as not to be subjected to violence by a non-elected branch of power.

        I hope none of the deputies will read this. Otherwise, in fact, they will create their own division marching around the State Duma.
        1. Mari33
          Mari33 29 June 2023 08: 09
          +3
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Otherwise, in fact, they will create their own division marching around the State Duma.

          I wonder if the State Duma took part in the creation of PMC Wagner?
          Putin, during a meeting with military personnel in the Kremlin, said that the content of the Wagner group was fully provided by the state. According to the data he cited, from May 2022 to May 2023, the authorities paid PMCs more than 86 billion rubles. The owner of the company "Concord", i.e. Prigozhin, through Voentorg, earned 80 billion from the state in a year, Putin added.
          And this is instead of financing the regular Russian army, in which they cannot even adequately dress and arm soldiers.
          What is pop, such is the coming !!!
          1. AdAstra
            AdAstra 29 June 2023 13: 58
            +3
            Well, they voted for the budget, including its closed parts.
      2. Jcvai
        Jcvai 29 June 2023 08: 09
        +5
        In an ideal democratic society, this is done differently. The entire adult conscious voting population owns guns. Accordingly, in the event of a conflict and a threat to the authorities, the population rises to the defense. And if the authorities are really elected honestly and act in the interests of the people, the defenders simply suppress them with numbers. If there are no people's defenders or they are in the minority, then the power itself is usurped and anti-people.
        It remains only to resolve the issue of the army and the control of heavy weapons.
        1. your1970
          your1970 29 June 2023 09: 43
          -10
          Quote: JcVai
          В ideal in a democratic society it is done differently. The entire adult conscious voting population owns guns.

          belay belay belay belay belay
          But....
          As the IDEAL(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) suddenly there are completely armed Africa and Afghanistan ...
          Afghan is aware that they have an IDEAL DEMOCRACY ????
          fool
          When you smoke, do not write anything, otherwise the people read your glitches and go nuts
          1. Jcvai
            Jcvai 29 June 2023 14: 10
            +1
            As an IDEAL (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) suddenly there are completely armed Africa and Afghanistan ...

            Yah? I thought there were no ideals, but it turns out that we already have ideal democratic societies ...
            Have fair elections been held everywhere by voting and the law allows citizens to own weapons?
            Of those close to ideal, I would rather cite the example of the United States after unification or Switzerland.
            when you smoke, do not write anything, otherwise people read your glitches and go nuts

            It's not scary, let them go nuts, the orderlies will still bring the pills on schedule;)
            1. your1970
              your1970 29 June 2023 16: 07
              -2
              Quote: JcVai
              Of those close to ideal, I would rather cite the example of the United States after unification or Switzerland.

              Everyone understood what you meant, and so - "Give me a pistol, or better 2 .."
              Only here is the problem - the United States in terms of elections, this is the same Africa.

              In which, in turn, elections are held - not everywhere and not always - but nevertheless recognized by the rest of the world. Moreover, the elections in Africa, in my opinion, are much more honest and open than in the USA ...

              Quote: JcVai
              Is it legal for citizens to own guns?

              - they have the same situation - they have the law NOT possession of weapons is prohibited.
              "Everything that is not directly prohibited by law is allowed" (c) the formula of Roman law, which is valid throughout the world.

              Quote: JcVai
              orderlies will still bring pills on schedule;)
              - lay and you know for sure? Maybe people will be given droppers after your posts?
              1. Jcvai
                Jcvai 29 June 2023 22: 24
                +1
                The United States now and, as I specified initially, after unification (after the Civil War) are completely different countries.
      3. your1970
        your1970 29 June 2023 09: 38
        0
        Quote: ivan2022
        A representative, directly elected body of power must have its own security forces in direct subordination so as not to be subjected to violence by a non-elected branch of power.

        That is, you propose to the State Duma to form a pair of three Of their divisions to form? With tanks and VKS?

        But.....
        I am considered anti-Soviet and pro-Putin, but before that insanity I thank God!!! - did not reach
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 29 June 2023 08: 17
      +3
      Quote: yuriy1863
      History does not tolerate abbreviations and adapted texts...

      And propaganda welcomes.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 June 2023 08: 50
        -11
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote: Stas157
        And propaganda welcomes.

        "Facts do not exist, there are only interpretations of facts" - F. Nietzsche.

        And it is not prohibited on the one hand, or on the other, or on the third, etc.
        Is it good or bad? In a society from which management knowledge is hidden, this is bad. It's like allowing "pluralism" of opinions in a kindergarten - whoever promises sweets (lace panties) instead of porridge will win.

        On this topic.

        The West lost with the device of the coup in our country on the liberal component (Bolotnaya, organizer Medvedev) and now on the patriotic one (organizer is the same Medvedev).
        Vaccination received. I hope for a long time.

        Budanov is just an unreasonable child, who was used by everyone and sundry.
        The media (military correspondents) inflated his ego, Gerasimov turned him against himself (the enemy has been determined) ...

        To prevent this from happening again, it is necessary to have a political department, political officers, starting from the company level and above, explaining to the next "Budanov" and each soldier "what is good and what is bad."

        We vitally need propaganda at all levels, propaganda in the interests of Russia. Everything that harms Russia must be exposed, rejected by society and removed.
    3. Per se.
      Per se. 29 June 2023 19: 56
      +7
      Quote: yuriy1863
      The Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the "liberal-democratic" Provisional Government, which, in turn, had previously destroyed the "decayed monarchy."

      It must also be added here that if the Bolsheviks had not taken power in 1917, then the Yeltsins, Chubais and Gaidars would have appeared much earlier. Also, having taken a semi-literate country, technologically dependent on the West, in addition to everything, in debt and credit, the Bolsheviks built a space and nuclear superpower. What did those who came to power in 1991 do with it? Until now, Russia is alive thanks to the Soviet margin of safety, which was destroyed and plundered.
      It is high time to understand that what Yeltsin did was a coup d'etat, after which Russia was flooded with agents of the West. What happened in Ukraine in 2014 is the same color revolution. Only one significant nuance distinguishes everything - Russia is the only country in the world that is guaranteed to destroy the United States. This is the number one problem for the West, and this is a problem for their servants in Russia, because of which it is impossible to openly surrender the country without causing a riot, both among the people and in the army.
      Maybe this belated SVO (it should have started in 2014) was launched in order to bleed Russia in frontal attacks, to use up all the reserves, and then to make the final gesture of "good will" on the conditions of the West.
      The Anglo-Saxon "reptilians" must be given their due, the Soviet Union fell, and now, in fact, the Russians are killing Russians to the delight of this satanic evil spirits.
  3. yuriy1863
    yuriy1863 29 June 2023 04: 59
    +3
    The author's opinion about PMCs has not changed - structures of this type have been and will remain one of the most flexible and effective instruments of the state's foreign policy, and this instrument has a great future.

    I believe that the power bloc, and the military system even more so, should be in the indivisible monopoly possession of the state. PMCs are needed when the state authorities do not want to get their hands dirty in cases of not entirely clean operations, when it is beneficial to say "This is not us." A state that, in its activities, adheres to the law and the principles of decency and justice to the maximum, needs a well-trained and secured military system where the personnel are in the state service and are under oath given to the people of their country. And PMCs are work for a specific owner. With all the ensuing consequences.
  4. bandabas
    bandabas 29 June 2023 05: 03
    +19
    One thing is 100% clear. The further the leadership that brewed the "SVO" will "swim in the hole" with "grain deals" and other eyewash, the worse it will be, because they are not going to cut the "Gordian knot". The vein is thin.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 29 June 2023 05: 17
      +3
      The grain deal, pumping through pipelines through Ukraine, supplying fuel to Bulgaria ... - these are all the interests of big business, billionaires, and not "fraud" ... this is a merging of business and officials.

      Even "corruption in the Moscow Region" is just not in the Moscow Region .... . These are the personal connections of the generals with big business .... for example, the struggle for food supplies to the army ..

      And what should the authorities do? Limit the oligarchs or continue to indulge their lawlessness?

      Prigozhin doesn’t care at all who Shoigu is. He needs his own, pocket minister of defense, that's what things have come to
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 29 June 2023 08: 32
      +8
      In general, the situation with PMCs is only just beginning. The inflated numbers of VTsIOM do not reflect the real situation. Most do not support, but they just don’t care. And then everything will be decided according to the situation at the front.
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 June 2023 10: 15
        -5
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        The inflated numbers of VTsIOM do not reflect the real situation. Most do not support, but they simply do not care

        I specifically looked at the minuses FOR and AGAINST on sharp posts FOR and AGAINST.
        Approximately 1 to 2.
        Taking into account the fact that the Power in Rus' has always been harassed and this was approved by the population, the numbers are quite stable.
        I'm certainly not a sociologist, but even I see it
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 29 June 2023 12: 18
          +6
          Quote: your1970
          Taking into account the fact that the Power in Rus' has always been harassed and this was approved by the population, the numbers are quite stable.

          I remember how a tear rolled down from my father when he read about the death of Brezhnev: "Where else can you find such a ruler?" At that time he was 36 years old.
        2. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 30 June 2023 08: 41
          +3
          Quote: your1970

          I specifically looked at the minuses FOR and AGAINST on sharp posts FOR and AGAINST.
          Approximately 1 to 2.
          Taking into account the fact that the Power in Rus' has always been harassed and this was approved by the population, the numbers are quite stable.
          I'm certainly not a sociologist, but even I see it

          Your analysis is logical, but incorrect - because of its base.
          1. the vast majority at VO are over 40, and they have always been the basis of support, the more obvious their assessment today, and young people support many times less, since it is easier to perceive changes, and 40-50 years for them is already old, not speaking of 70 .. you don’t take them into account at all ..
          2. many people simply don’t rate harsh posts, due to fears that if something they don’t want to get to know may be interested in them .. this is a bit too much, but there are a lot of such people - a fact ..
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 June 2023 05: 19
    -16
    I agree with Mitrofanov in his article ... the arguments are logical, reasonable and difficult to refute.
    Russia, Thank God, has crossed the dangerous threshold of a civil war...VVP and Prigozhin had the sense not to bring things to large-scale battles.
    It is bad that our country has lost experienced attack aircraft capable of taking fortified fortresses.
    The CIA and MI6 can be glad that Russia doesn't have a good strike tool against them.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 29 June 2023 05: 35
      +1
      If Russia does not also have Prigozhin, one loss will completely balance the other.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 29 June 2023 08: 26
      -1
      stormtroopers have not gone anywhere .......................
    3. Amateur
      Amateur 30 June 2023 07: 31
      +2
      GDP and Prigozhin had the sense not to bring matters to large-scale battles

      If the GDP, before declaring a civil war, called Prigozhin and "resolved issues" with the Moscow Region, then there would simply be no "mutiny and campaign". But ... Thanks to A.G. Lukashenko who did not allow this war.
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 June 2023 05: 22
    +5
    Quote: yuriy1863
    History does not tolerate abbreviations and adapted texts...

    History tends to repeat itself ... those who have not learned its lessons will get hit in the head again.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 29 June 2023 05: 54
    +12
    Author, do you study history according to the statements of the president?
    Still, there is a difference between the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy, when the great empire was destroyed, and what is happening now.
    Or according to the songs of President Lyube's favorite group? "The dead with braids threw off the king, Scarlet, dawn" (c)
    But was PMC Wagner a private military company?
    To this question, the president answered how many tens of lard the state invested in Wagner, I remember 89.
  8. Shtrek
    Shtrek 29 June 2023 06: 05
    +5
    Does PMC have a future in Russia?


    The monster created by Vladimir Vladimirovich to frighten his enemies has turned into a monster ready to destroy him himself ..... It is unlikely that the authorities will want a repetition .....
  9. VLR
    VLR 29 June 2023 06: 51
    -6
    We began to confuse ordinary Wagner fighters and businessman Prigozhin, who makes money on their blood, and his business structures. Which, moreover, really framed his subordinates, used them in the dark - because at first many had no idea that they were participating in a military rebellion. Hence the desire to quickly bind them with blood - at first, an unconfirmed fake about an air strike on the camp (still no real evidence), helicopters and planes hastily began to shoot down everything in a row. And when Prigozhin realized that Bonaparte didn’t work out of him, he didn’t go to “show things off” in Moscow, but fled to Lukashenka. And at that time, his fighters, feeling spat on from all sides, with the stigma of traitors who almost opened the front to Bandera, returned to their places of deployment - not understanding what it was all about and how they ended up in such a situation.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 29 June 2023 07: 03
      +7
      Probably Prigozhin was not going to change the government ..... just wave the banner.

      Rather, he had to expel Shoigu in order to put his man Surovikin on the Moscow Region, for example. And they communicate well and the nationality is the same .... Then the food supplies to the army would be in the hands of "Concorde" by 100%. laughing

      It turned out to be bad and stupid that the same owner heads both the organization of food in the army and the power structure that is actually competitive for the army.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 June 2023 07: 19
      +11
      And when Prigozhin realized that Bonaparte did not work out of him,
      If you think that Prigozhin was preparing a coup, then where are his demands.
      For example, here are my demands, "to vacate the lands mistakenly called Ukraine, to develop our own economy, not imports, to stop the import of migrants."
      But there is no PMC behind me, so no one knows my requirements. But Prigozhin did not commit a rebellion, much less a coup.
      By the way, the "participants of the rebellion" are already on trial .. Only these are not PMCs, but those who surrendered. They had to give their lives for the most just system. Although before that they were hung noodles about liberalism, get rid of paternalism.
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 June 2023 10: 25
        -2
        Quote: Gardamir
        If you think that Prigozhin was preparing a coup, then where are his demands.

        Mmmm .. did he just go to Moscow to talk with Shoigu? He did not understand - that according to all the canons, EVERYONE is obliged to leave Moscow when an armed enemy approaches - did 7 sides confirm that the enemy was coming?
        God bless him - they arrived in Moscow, Shoigu escaped. What next ??
        The President refused to shoot Shoigu - what next?
        Kremlin to attack?
        Or "Come on, okay, we realized that you can't shoot. We went back, ok?"?

        There is a feeling that he was trying to score an arrow, and they explained to him on his fingers that, as part of the case of the rebellion, all of his accounts frozen and he has nowhere to run - he has been under US sanctions since 2018, and they promised to arrest him back then.
        Here he is pissed...
        That is why Belarus, all the rest will extradite him to the United States ...
        The march was doomed from the beginning - if he did not plan to seize power.

        "Rebellion cannot end in success
        If he wins, they will call him differently "(c)
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 June 2023 07: 57
      +8
      Quote: VlR
      Which, moreover, really set up his subordinates, used them in the dark - because at first many had no idea that they were participating in a military rebellion.

      Putin said it. Prigozhin said the exact opposite, that everyone was aware of the campaign and did not support 1-2% of the fighters. He himself was in the Rostov headquarters together with Yevkurov and Alekseev. This is confirmed by the photo and Lukashenka, who told Prigozhin to consult with his people. It's just that Prigozhin is the most publicized person who does not hesitate to expose his figure in the media space, all other commanders of the Wagner PMC are kept in the shadows. For example, I have never seen Utkin give an interview.
      1. know
        know 29 June 2023 11: 16
        -6
        It's good to fantasize! The Cossack circle directly decided to go to Moscow! A narrow group of people who receive all the bonuses (and the rank and file - leftovers) decided to appoint their own minister of defense, who will give them all supply contracts. Well, it is clear that Putin will not be the same after that - he will become a puppet of the structure he created. The vast majority of the Wagnerites did not understand what was happening and where they were being led. If they had immediately said - to overthrow the authorities in Moscow, the campaign, most likely, would not have taken place.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 29 June 2023 12: 39
          +7
          Quote: vet
          It's good to fantasize!

          Where do I fantasize? The fact that all significant decisions are made by the council of commanders, and not at all by Prigogine, has long been clear to the forest hedgehog. What did Prigozhin say to Strelkov? "Go as an attack aircraft, so the council of commanders decided ...", literally. Prigozhin is a herald, a financier and a person who allows the Wagnerites to rise above their worth.
          Quote: vet
          The vast majority of the Wagnerites did not understand what was happening and where they were being led.

          Fine. You just said that they are all so stupid that they cannot distinguish south from north, west from east, and Rostov, Voronezh car numbers from Kharkov or Odessa. Interestingly, we have such stupid - the majority of the population? And about the snacks. At my last job, I received 10 times less than the average Prigogine. If they eat leftovers, then I drink water from a puddle with a cry: "I won't let myself dry up!"
          1. know
            know 29 June 2023 12: 48
            -3
            that all significant decisions are made by the council of commanders, and not at all by Prigozhin

            And who told you this? Prigogine himself? And how many of these "advisers"? What percentage of all Wagnerians? Let's call it straight: a narrow circle of the main "shareholders" of PMC "Wagner", who get "butter", "sour cream" and "cream". And the rest - "serum". The salaries of a Wagnerian stormtrooper compared to the incomes of these "directors" are simply tears.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 29 June 2023 13: 13
              +3
              Quote: vet
              Let's call it straight: a narrow circle of the main "shareholders" of PMC "Wagner"

              Let's. As recently as yesterday, Putin announced that 86 billion had been spent on the Wagnerites from the state budget.
              Amnesty for convicts. Did Prigogine sign it? Anyone can come to the colony like this and say, I’ll recruit a couple of hundred people from you for the war, and then, I’ll bring you a piece of paper that they atoned for their guilt with blood? Here is the narrowest circle of shareholders.
              Quote: vet
              The salaries of a Wagnerian stormtrooper compared to the incomes of these "directors" are simply tears.

              I once worked in UPP VOS. So. There, the authorities from Moscow came to the BMW X-6 and to the Geldings, and for the assembly of giblets from toilet bowls, normally 340 pieces per shift, they paid a little over 3 thousand rubles a month. This is 11 years ago.
              1. your1970
                your1970 29 June 2023 16: 56
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                a shift was paid a little for 3 thousand rubles per month. It's yo 11 back.

                В 2012 year in Rosreestr when I came there, girls, archivists, civil servants, secretaries of the 2nd category, without length of service, received 8.
                And it was extremely slightly
                In Moscow in 2013, on a shift, the guards worked for 1 per shift and it was not much
                Unemployment benefits 7 paid then

                You or change to 3 in change or not 11 years ago - but 20 years ago in 2003 ....
      2. your1970
        your1970 29 June 2023 16: 49
        -2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Prigozhin said the exact opposite, that everyone was aware of the campaign and did not support 1-2% of the fighters.

        Well, actually, in principle, he cannot say otherwise - otherwise it will turn out what is behind him no one no.
    4. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 29 June 2023 08: 35
      +11
      . And when Prigozhin realized that Bonaparte did not work out of him
      Ha ha .. Prigozhin Bonaparte, don’t tell me .. Prigozhin went to the “strelka” with his own .. But no one came to the “strelka” .. A dispute between business entities that you can’t take to Arbitration .. smile
    5. Adrey
      Adrey 29 June 2023 12: 35
      +4
      Quote: VlR
      at first, an unconfirmed fake about an airstrike on the camp (still no real evidence)

      In the existing reality, we will never see this evidence (if any). If someone has them, then this "someone" (if he is still alive due to an unfortunate misunderstanding) feverishly tries to forget everything and "not shine" as much as possible, looking for the darkest corner in the country.
      Because if this is confirmed, it will mean that the Defense Ministry kills CITIZENS of its country without trial or investigation (it doesn't matter what they are called - PMCs, mercenaries, first of all, these are citizens of Russia!)!
      It will be very difficult to write off the notorious "friendly fire" in the rear or an accidental reset of the FAB.
      The effect of such an "information bomb" will be amazing.
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 June 2023 17: 10
        -2
        Quote: Adrey
        In the existing reality, we will never see this evidence (if any). If someone has them, then this "someone" (if he is still alive due to an unfortunate misunderstanding) feverishly tries to forget everything and "not shine" as much as possible, looking for the darkest corner in the country.
        Because if this is confirmed, it will mean that the Defense Ministry kills CITIZENS of their country without trial or investigation (it doesn’t matter what they are called - PMCs, mercenaries, first of all, these are citizens of Russia!)!

        Mmmm... what if it turns out to be lie and there were no 30 people killed (and at least 50 wounded !!!) during that mythical shelling - will Prigozhin get acquainted with a sledgehammer from his own?
        For the fact that he pitted them into a harlot and specifically framed them - deceiving them?
        Well, now they are all with the stigma - "possible rebel" .....
        How to motivate will the shooting down of 7 sides - if those 30 dead at the very beginning were not?
        This will be an unmotivated act of aggression against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ...

        Where are the wounded and killed during that very first shelling? Where are a bunch of videos with corpses (or at least wounded) with a slogan like "They were killed by order of the MO !!"
        No? Strange....
        They filmed how they talked to Yevkurov, they filmed how they entered Rostov, they filmed it, they filmed how they went to Moscow, and most importantly, they forgot ....
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 June 2023 07: 06
    +9
    The farther from the date of events, the more lies.
  11. Vladimir-TTT
    Vladimir-TTT 29 June 2023 07: 41
    +5
    Quote: ivan2022
    Arch-important moment! A representative, directly elected body of power must have its own security forces in direct subordination so as not to be subjected to violence by a non-elected branch of power.

    And who will allow it? Elect power by direct vote? Where will they go then?
  12. 2112vda
    2112vda 29 June 2023 07: 46
    +5
    As for the independent media. Where and in what fairyland do such media exist? Any media is dependent on someone else. No need to build illusions.
    1. Jcvai
      Jcvai 29 June 2023 08: 16
      0
      I believe that fundamental honesty is not quite correctly implied. This is possible for singles and small "interest groups"
  13. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 June 2023 08: 18
    +9
    Quote: Gardamir
    By the way, the "participants of the rebellion" are already on trial .. Only these are not PMCs, but those who surrendered.

    The staff generals have recovered from fright, now they are waving their sabers from right to left ... the head of the border checkpoint is being pressed for handing over the object entrusted to him to the Wagners ... if he hadn’t handed over, all the border guards would have died, and even the Wagner would have had losses ... here it’s just that he needs to be encouraged for endurance and the preservation of human life.
    As always in Russia, national fun ... after a fight, rewarding the uninvolved, punishing the innocent.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 29 June 2023 08: 52
      -2
      Encouragement to whom? Prigogine was sitting in Rostov, and his people were shooting down planes .... And now
      brings a blizzard that he didn’t know anything about the “air defense fool”, who fired himself .... By the way, who is in charge of the VKS? The best friend and fellow tribesman and the "only smart" - - Surovikin ...
  14. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 29 June 2023 08: 23
    +7
    At the beginning of the XNUMXs, the writer Limonov and his associates from the National Bolshevik Party offered their services to the authorities precisely for use in those places where it was problematic for the official state power structures to act. And to the best of his understanding, he began to act, trying to annex northern Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation, of course, he was arrested and imprisoned. That time was a time of hope for a "bright capitalist future in the world elite", it was characterized by the liquidation of our base in Cam Ranh, the center in Lourdes (even the EBN did not liquidate it, but updated it), the flooding of the Mir station. In less than a quarter of a century, the world became different, only the initial conditions for "getting up from your knees" worsened. And finally - Limonov had, albeit naive, but an ideology, while Prigogine does not have it, there is no official one. And the real one is the cult of money.
  15. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 29 June 2023 08: 28
    +11
    Still, there is a difference between the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy, when the great empire was destroyed, and what is happening now.
    I read it to this point, I didn’t continue .. I saw the author ... Mitrofanov .. Clearly .. Another ideologically sustained article as part of the president’s speeches, but with the author’s ideas. smile
  16. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 29 June 2023 08: 55
    +5
    Still, there is a difference between the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy, when the great empire was destroyed, and what is happening now.
    This is more like a "Kornilov" rebellion than some kind of revolution (the author also confused these revolutions)
    It is possible that at the very moment when Prigozhin and his fighters began to realize that their campaign did not arouse the support of the majority of the Russian population, they became morally ready to reach agreements and compromise.
    At what point? They raced at full speed towards Moscow. How could you feel this support?
  17. Million
    Million 29 June 2023 09: 13
    +15
    Everyone writes something about Wagner, but at the same time they are bashfully silent about the fact that Kadyrov practically has his own PMC.
  18. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 29 June 2023 09: 25
    +1
    Independent media is a kind of "negative feedback" between the state and society, which does not allow them to tumble into the abyss.

    We are not angels and not righteous, and each of us has an internal censorship that does not allow the lewdness that is in the soul of each of us to climb up. But when internal censorship does not work, then you have to resort to external censorship :(
    Firstly, there are no "independent media outlets", each media outlet has its own owner, who determines the policy, this time.
    Secondly, in _THIS COUNTRY_ all "independent media" work for the collapse of the state. That is, the main cadres in them are ardent opponents of the state. All the same, there is a line that separates healthy criticism from collapse. Judging by what I see, "they" have it in the press, and when necessary, the entire press is on the side of the state. We do not have this, so we have to introduce censorship, with the desired repression.
    As for the "non-disconnected Internet" and other things - this is either a mess or helplessness.
  19. know
    know 29 June 2023 10: 09
    -8
    I am simply amazed at the number of naive people who are seriously convinced that Prigozhin led 25 armed men and 350 pieces of equipment to Moscow just to "talk"! If a man with a knife comes up to you on the street and says that he wants to "bazaar for justice" will you willingly enter into a conversation with them?
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 29 June 2023 11: 28
      +4
      probably revised "Union of Salvation" from Ernst
    2. NAF-NAF
      NAF-NAF 29 June 2023 12: 08
      +3
      ... they are seriously sure that Prigozhin led 25 thousand armed men and 350 pieces of equipment to Moscow just to "talk"!

      and 50 people and 3-4 pieces of equipment would be allowed to "talk"?
      Are there any facts of conscription or planning to seize the levers of state administration, overthrow the president or government? Not really?
      1. know
        know 29 June 2023 12: 15
        -1
        Do you believe in words or deeds? A neighbor with a gun will come to your house and say that he just came to stand under the windows. Will you calm down? Scary for you.
        1. NAF-NAF
          NAF-NAF 29 June 2023 12: 55
          +7
          Do you believe in words or deeds? A neighbor with a gun will come to your house and say...

          brilliant analogy! Just a neighbor not to mine he came home, and to the house of high-ranking scoundrels who played along with the enemy and staged a protracted war in the style of the First World War, only now "to the last Ukrainian" - to the delight of Western colleagues.
          And yes: believe the wordsuntil there is reason not to believe.
          (I hardly believe Mr. Ko from TV news, because his peppy reports about what is happening on the fronts of the NMD do not correlate well with the dynamics of the movement of the front line. And when the Kharkov region surrendered, the officials of the Ministry of Defense pretended that everything was fine, "The Armed Forces of Ukraine are suffering huge losses , destroyed 100500 pickups and many other equipment).
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 29 June 2023 13: 29
          +7
          Quote: vet
          A neighbor with a gun will come to your house and say that he just came to stand under the windows.

          This neighbor yelled for six months that you would not throw garbage on his lawn. So don't judge.
  20. NAF-NAF
    NAF-NAF 29 June 2023 11: 58
    +12

    ... the collapse of the USSR, the coup and the shooting of the White House, two wars ...

    The coup and the shooting of the White House, I hope you accidentally connected it like this with the union "and"?
    Do you understand that these are completely different stories?


    Still, there is a difference between the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy

    Author, how did you prepare for the exam? Well, two, dear.
    When the Bolsheviks took power, no monarchy (neither dilapidated nor any other) existed for more than six months.


    sometimes it seems that many people have a memory - like aquarium fish

    - here I agree 100%. This is what you show here...


    ...independent media is vital...
    ...It was the independent media that made a significant contribution...
    ...The temptation to limit the scope of independent media...

    - use words seriously "independent media" can only be a psychiatric patient.
    In this case, the patient also has memory lapses (aquarium). For he does not remember that it was through the "Nezavisimye mass media" (in the sense not state ones) that the subversive work was carried out to overthrow the "dictatorial Putin regime."


    And then, in the blink of an eye, everything collapsed. Now, few people will talk about how he served in the Wagner PMC...

    it's only for the "independent media" that everything "collapsed". And for the people - look, at least, how they saw off in Rostov (already after the end of the "mutiny"!!!) of the Wagnerites. AND How then met with the authorities. Just compare.
    For the people, the Wagnerites, as they were, and remain real heroes. They did not drape, did not give the enemy vast territories and abandoned, intact, newest tanks.


    The legal status of Wagner PMC is unclear.

    Yes, we all have a problem with the legal status! The USSR was dissolved illegally! (At the referendum, the people of the USSR spoke in favor of preserving it, and this is the highest form of expressing the will of the people, only the traitors in power didn’t give a damn about it - three high-ranking criminals in Belovezhskaya Pushcha didn’t give a damn about the people, and the current legislation).
    Try to get to the bottom of the legal status of, say, the FSB, the RF Ministry of Defense and other structures - where and how they are registered (all info is available - there would be a desire to get acquainted). I assure you: you will be surprised!

    And what about the legal status of the Bolsheviks (since you mentioned them) - what was it like in the summer and autumn of 1917?
    And a more general question: how did the great USSR (this model of social justice and a giant breakthrough in all sectors) appear? in law? which one, I wonder?

    PS: a in the picture for the article - proof that the Russian Defense Ministry knows how to find scum who are ready to shoot their fellow citizens from tanks for money.
    Can you imagine the Wagnerians in such a role? They have already proved that they will not shed the blood of their compatriots, even for the sake of a sacred goal - cleaning up the fifth column.
  21. Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov 29 June 2023 16: 10
    +11
    The usual customized, in my opinion, article in defense of the official point of view. There is no analysis of what happened, from the word at all. In order to write the truth, you need to have courage and an understanding of what a causal relationship is. The whole country, what a country there is, the whole world watched the conflict between Prigozhin and the Moscow Region with the National Guard, due to a lack of shells. I don’t know exactly how many fighters Prigozhin had, the media estimated the PMC at 50 thousand. In 000, on the day of the conduct of hostilities, 1944 tons of shells were allocated in the spacecraft at the rate of 5 tons of soldiers, for guns from 10 mm and above, not taking into account 000 mm mortars, and anti-tank guns from 76 - 50 mm. Germany allocated 28 tons, the USA 57 tons. Spacecraft losses in comparison with US losses in 13,8 (an equal number of kilometers traveled) in the USA 15.4%, in the Red Army 1944% per month, that is, three times more. There was a scandal, Prigozhin personally demanded that Shoigu protect the lives of soldiers. Even in 3,8, Wagner would have received 8,5 tons of shells according to KA standards, and 1944 tons according to US standards, theoretically, if supplied according to US standards in 25, losses in the army would be 77 (three) times less. Instead of stopping the conflict, the Ministry of Defense escalated, did unacceptable things, left the front to the mercy of fate, gave the order to Akhmat. The order for the pilots to fire on Wagner does not fit in my head at all, there was a classic provocation of the beginning of the civil war. The MoD could really plunge the country into chaos because of its ambitions.
  22. Sedoy
    Sedoy 29 June 2023 17: 45
    +2
    It was the independent media that made a significant contribution to saving the country from the bloody slaughter.

    Wow... :)
    Zolotov will disagree... :)
    And the guarantor, on the faceted stairs, did not mention them ...
    It’s necessary to offend the Old Man in such a way - to ascribe to himself his merits ... :)
    That one all day, Prigozhin was seduced by a bulb in oil and with an onion, they say, stop by, under the bison ...
    Agreed at the end...
    And the independents - once they attributed everything to themselves - were "potato saved", became funny ...
    Those. funny...
  23. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 29 June 2023 19: 02
    +1
    And why did Prigogine stir up all this at all. After all, he is from the cohort of the highest power in Russia, he is their "friend and comrade", he is a dollar billionaire, and why does he need this risk? I would sit "exactly on the priest", praise my grandfather and everything would be fine with him. And he began to demand deeds and actions, began to criticize grandfather and other celestials. Did his patriotism wake up, did he feel pain for the country, for failures at the front? Or maybe he is a real patriot?
    Having everything, I took such a risk, now I can lose everything.
    1. Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov 29 June 2023 20: 18
      -1
      Based on the known facts, the conflict occurred through the fault of the Ministry of Defense, which abandoned the troops and gave the order to Akhmat, the military also gave the order to aviation, several crews refused to fly out to strike at Wagner. The country was on the brink of civil war. The capital and the president were in danger. Prigozhin never expressed presidential ambitions. Who needed to bring Prigozhin to a state of impotent rage for a long time because of the death of his comrades. make The conflict between Akhmat and Wagner could again turn the Caucasus into a seething cauldron.
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 29 June 2023 22: 03
        +1
        Heh... heh..... One Tuvan managed to silently push their foreheads together and quarrel two very talkative and rich semi-Jews... ... Who considered themselves masters....
        Everything is in "this very" and only he is in the blue radiance .....

        The Russians, of course, did not understand anything, but it does not matter. The work is virtuoso.

        And the fact itself is worthy of being inscribed in History with Golden Letters.
        "The East has turned red!" The sun rises in the East.
    2. the same doctor
      the same doctor 5 July 2023 08: 47
      0
      VI Lenin wrote that the source of the political experience of the people, among others, is the transition of a part of the exploiters to the side of the people. Why do you deny Prigozhin patriotism and love for his country, why don't you consider them as motives for actions?
  24. runway-1
    runway-1 29 June 2023 20: 57
    +3
    Still, there is a difference between the revolution of 1917, when the Bolsheviks came to power, taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy, when the great empire was destroyed, and what is happening now.
    Which Bolsheviks came to power "taking advantage of the weakness of the dilapidated monarchy", apparently in an alternative history ?!
    Imagine for a second that the Internet was turned off throughout the country, that Telegram channels and independent Internet media were silenced, that only official information about the rebellion was being disseminated - could the Wagner PMC fighters clearly understand that the population does not support them?
    Interestingly, what did they see on the streets, did the author really not watch the videos ?! In general, as usual: agitation and propaganda ...
  25. Vadim Topal Pasha
    Vadim Topal Pasha 30 June 2023 13: 23
    +6
    Well, as for the official media, you somehow greatly smooth the corners ...
    there is a sickly stratum of the population, which began to perceive any official information as "evil and a lie by definition." Something similar happened before the collapse of the USSR. Power frankly lied. The same pension reform and a bunch of other promises from the authorities lowered the confidence of those whom these promises touched into the negative area. And it cannot be fixed by definition. "Optimizers" stole money from people and drank. And, it is clear that it will not stop there. They will come up with more new opportunities to rob the poorest. In general, this is genocide, which is visible to the naked eye in demographics.
  26. amr
    amr 30 June 2023 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    The failed rebellion was suppressed, the authorities received a resounding slap in the face from society (because there are 25-50 thousand PMC Wagner fighters + huge support among the people) ... and what conclusions did she draw? I decided to tighten the screws better :) in the state media they began to "drown" the rebels, they threw everything that was possible on them

    Well, as for me, this event was staged and conducted brilliantly by our authorities. since if it were a true rebellion, then everything would be completely different, and judging by how the official media talk about what kind of rebellion it is and how we resolved it, it only confirms my opinion!
    As a result, an excellent operation, which, in my opinion, pursued several goals:
    1. Inoculation against rebellions! By the way, this is displayed in the title of the article!
    2. On this occasion, the State Duma is now slapping new laws
    3. Also, thanks to this matyazh, laws on PMCs will now be dragged through the State Duma and the end of the people's army will already be
    4. On the sly, they relocated a large mass of people and troops, including Wagner, who was transferred from Rostov to Belarus!
    5. Conducted another social experiment and confirmed that we are all moving forward towards digital fascism!))
  27. Krasavchag2
    Krasavchag2 1 July 2023 01: 53
    0
    war between Russia and Ukraine with Western countries
    That is, Russia and Ukraine are fighting shoulder to shoulder with the West? Something doesn't look right!
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  30. the same doctor
    the same doctor 5 July 2023 08: 44
    0
    Campaign Wagner inoculation? Rather, a shock for the Kremlin and the hope that they will change their strategy. But while Shoigu does not provide troops even with duralumins on the Dnieper ... I.e. they didn't understand anything.