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Russian Armed Forces: the return of chaplains

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Russian Armed Forces: the return of chaplainsThe Russian Armed Forces are not waiting for the usual replenishment. The leadership of the Ministry of Defense decided to increase the staff of military priests in the army and navy.

The fact that the institute of chaplains will be revived in the Russian army over time, said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

At the same time, he recalled that Russia is a multi-confessional country. At present, 243 has established full-time positions in the army and navy for the posts of assistant commanders for working with military believers.

They say: “there are no atheists in the war”, but in peacetime soldiers and officers have many experiences that cannot be shared with everyone. And the expansion of the institute of military clergy in the Russian army today is a completely natural step, convinced the expert of the Institute for the Study of Religions of the RSUH, religious scholar Alexei Yudin:

“There is a tendency towards some kind of new religious tone in society. So, in principle, this measure meets domestic needs. Imagine the armed forces as a ghetto in which there are no religious organizations and communities, it is almost impossible. All the more so now experts talk about the growing role of religion in society. "

The participation of chaplains in the lives of military personnel is unlikely to be limited exclusively to prayers and worship services. In modern conditions, a military priest is not only a confessor, but also an educator for a soldier, said Pavel Salin, a leading expert at the Center for Political Studies in Russia:

"Such a need has matured, because the military priests will replace another institute that effectively acted in wartime, and now it has actually collapsed - the institute of officers for educational work."

As for possible interfaith conflicts, then, according to Pavel Salin, the number of religious incidents should decrease with the appearance of chaplains in the troops:

"I don’t see the prerequisites for inter-religious conflict, because these priests, no matter what religion, are called upon to smooth out conflict angles that are more in the youth than in the mature population."

At the same time, religious scholar Alexei Yudin notes, it is important not to allow radical religious views to penetrate into the armed forces:

"On the one hand, religion is expected in the armed forces as a pacifying factor (they say that religion will help relieve national tensions). On the other hand, some experts notice the presence of radical Islam in the ranks of the armed forces."

Today there are many discussions about the growth of clericalism in Russia. It cannot be ruled out that the expansion of the activity of chaplains will cause many protests. Only here it is important not to forget that the military clergy is not a propaganda tool, but a helping hand to the military.
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  1. ADEQUATE
    ADEQUATE 13 December 2012 11: 44
    -4
    That's good, it will be easier for a believer to serve !!!
    It is interesting to know the staff of the Rabbis !!!
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 December 2012 11: 51
      +12
      it’s not even clear how to comment, the USSR Armed Forces somehow did without it, not to mention the Red Army.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 13 December 2012 11: 59
        +11
        And in my opinion it is very simple to comment, but this particular form of commenting is prohibited on the site ...
        1. Maks111
          Maks111 13 December 2012 17: 58
          0
          "Pray to God - from Him, victory" A.V. Suvorov

          Do you know that Zhukov graduated from the 3rd grade of the parish school?
          1. Insurgent 23
            Insurgent 23 14 December 2012 01: 36
            +1
            Quote: Max111
            Do you know that Zhukov graduated from the 3rd grade of the parish school?

            well, apparently there was simply no other
      2. ba1ex
        ba1ex 13 December 2012 12: 01
        +8
        A strange argument, as if before the Red Army and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, Russia and the Russian Empire did not have troops. But this is a thousand-year history.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2012 12: 11
        +11
        Quote: Civil
        it’s not even clear how to comment, the USSR Armed Forces somehow did without it, not to mention the Red Army.

        It's simple. When the bull does not know what to do, he licks eggs. In our army, as with this very bull. In the army, one of the deputy commanders should be a professional military psychologist. And as for beliefs in dismissal, they go if they want to, let them go he went to churches, synagogues, mosques, went to bed before bed, prayed if it makes you feel better. The army should not have room for any denominations at all. The army is a single organism, subordinated to one goal, aimed at fulfilling a single task.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 13 December 2012 12: 52
          +7
          Quote: baltika-18
          And as for beliefs in dismissal go

          That's right. I just didn’t notice among the fighters of religious zeal in dismissal, neither among Muslims nor among Christians. This means that in everyday life they do not really need a religious shepherd.
          The last Muslim who at least somehow prayed, I saw while studying at a military school. I prayed in a change house, and when I was dismissed I went to the mosque. (however, his religiousness did not prevent him from stealing a magazine with titted aunts from me). no one bothered him to arrange his religious needs and he did not visit anyone.
        2. Nachkar237
          Nachkar237 13 December 2012 13: 42
          -1
          baltika-18 I do not agree with you! but ba1ex is right! Russia is not only a country that has just been born - we are a country with more than a thousand-year history, and traditions that, by the will of individuals in history, have been brutally torn from the hearts of millions of people, existed not for 70 years, but much more! I do not plead at all in the Soviet period, either in life or in defense, BUT at that time many mistakes were also made, namely: the once united Russian people were divided (read Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians ... etc.) spiritual values ​​with centuries-old ways were replaced by soulless ones who turned a person into an ordinary cell-statistical consumer-producer! Therefore, I do not see anything wrong with this that Russia is returning to its historical spiritual values!
          1. the polar
            the polar 13 December 2012 16: 22
            +8
            What nah "chaplains"!
            And this "minister" with his idiot, even if he read the Constitution once he did not serve in the army. According to the Constitution, we have a secular state, and there is no inter-confessional discord in the army to breed and spend the budget on maintenance. priests and mullahs. The Jews, of course, will never serve in the army, which means there will be no expenses on the rebbe. At least some benefit
          2. reading
            reading 13 December 2012 16: 45
            +1
            Nachkar237. I agree with you that it is good for Russia to return to its historical spiritual values. But where does the institution of chaplains come from for budget money. He who believed before being called up for service will find a temple and he does not need a chaplain. And who needs this for fashion and free oneself from service, then he will need a chaplain to cover up his self-interest. And in the part, the clergy are already in and can feed their flock outside the part.
          3. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 13 December 2012 19: 13
            +4
            How do you know what roots Russia has, you don’t have anything except Orthodoxy in your head, you would think that before Christianity and Ludi did not live in Russia,
        3. reading
          reading 13 December 2012 16: 36
          +3
          I agree that there should be a deputy commander - a professional psychologist. And as for belief, make it easier for a soldier or sailor to enter the city, whoever believes he will find a church, a synagogue or a mosque. And the problems within the military team should be solved by the father-commander and his deputy on the radar.
        4. Ross
          Ross 13 December 2012 16: 47
          +3
          baltika-18,

          There should be no place in the army for any denominations at all. The army is a single organism, subordinate to one goal, aimed at fulfilling a single task.


          Nikolay, let me subscribe to your every word!
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 13 December 2012 18: 00
            +2
            Quote: Ross
            Nikolay, let me subscribe to your every word!

            Thanks Ross, I knew that you were my like-minded person.
      4. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 13 December 2012 12: 19
        +10
        I do not envy atheists. All the hardships and deprivations of military service will fall on their shoulders, while believers of different faiths will perform a prayer service and celebrate their religious events and holidays. Multinational Unit. What to do? The armies of developed countries are slowly moving away from the institution of chaplains. The educational threshold for military personnel is three orders of magnitude higher. than in the tsarist army, where, at best, the central military school, or even cross-painting.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 13 December 2012 12: 49
          -1
          to have a degree and to be a believer is an impossible thing in your opinion? the more a person learns, the more he understands how poor he is in knowing the world and its phenomena ........... could attach a list of believing scientists, but I think there is no need ........ faith as love , or she is, or she is not, but you won’t be forcibly sweet ....... and regarding the service in the army of believers, it’s Caesar’s Caesar’s, and God’s God ... ..... first, a military charter and the execution of the order, and then the performance of religious rites and the celebration of church holidays ......... everything is logical and natural, there is no dissonance
          1. davoks
            davoks 13 December 2012 13: 29
            +2
            Quote: strannik595
            could attach a list of believing scholars


            let's - attach. let's see - a lot among scholars
            winked
            1. strannik595
              strannik595 13 December 2012 14: 23
              -3
              answer davoks ....... type in Yandex "list of learned believers" and read ...... everything is simple
              1. davoks
                davoks 13 December 2012 15: 02
                +1
                why should i dial? Well, you have suggested here a list of learned believers. here and lay out your list
                1. strannik595
                  strannik595 13 December 2012 16: 11
                  -1
                  and if I attach you will believe in Christ the Lord? laughing tried to insert - "too long comment" the site replied ........ you cannot assure the wrong one, even if the dead man rises and preaches about the Resurrection of Christ, he will be spit on the spot
                  1. davoks
                    davoks 13 December 2012 17: 02
                    +3
                    What are the excuses gone? where is the list then? You yourself know that if there are any learned believers, then there will be such units. But you can fantasize about learned believers as much as you like. laughing
                    1. Maks111
                      Maks111 13 December 2012 18: 17
                      0
                      Some modern scholars who take the biblical narrative of Creation for Truth?
                      The full list did not fit. The link is a complete list of http://atheizm.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=88888916

                      Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
                      Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
                      Dr. James Allan, Geneticist
                      Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
                      Dr. SE Aw, Biochemist
                      Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
                      Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
                      Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
                      Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
                      Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
                      Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
                      Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
                      Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
                      Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
                      Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
                      Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
                      Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
                      Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
                      Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
                      Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
                      Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
                      Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
                      Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview)
                      Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
                      Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
                      Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
                      Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
                      Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
                      Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
                      Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., MS, Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
                      Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
                      Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
                      Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, MD, Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
                      Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
                      Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
                      Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
                      Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
                      Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
                      Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
                      Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M. Div
                      Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist
                      Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
                      Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
                      Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
                      Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
                      Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
                      Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
                      Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
                      Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
                      Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 13 December 2012 13: 48
            +7
            Quote: strannik595
            to have a degree and to be a believer is an impossible thing in your opinion? the more a person learns, the more he understands how poor he is in knowing the world and its phenomena.

            Religion has helped you a lot in understanding the world and natural phenomena. Faith helps, not religion. These are different things. Faith is an internal state of a person, an internal conviction of something. Religion is built on dogmas, these are its limitations that make it not viable. All the major religions of the world will fall, for they are structured according to the same pattern. They are precisely constructed, created by man.
            1. strannik595
              strannik595 13 December 2012 17: 11
              +2
              About the Symbol have you ever heard? which the whole congregation of Orthodox believers sings in the church at the Liturgy, is a set of dogmas that reflects the concept of who and what we believe in ........ I graduated from the Orthodox seminary in Samara and could have a lot of discussion with you about faith, religion, science and their relationship .... but I don’t see the point, truth is not born in a dispute, but swara turns out to be logical ..... I wish you success, bye!
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 13 December 2012 18: 07
                +4
                Quote: strannik595
                about the Symbol Veres ever heard

                That's it, that only a symbol.
                Quote: strannik595
                graduated from orthodox seminary in Samara

                That's it, and I’m a chemical-technological institute.
                Quote: strannik595
                , in a dispute, truth is not born, but swara turns out to be quite logical ..... I wish you success, bye!
                Everything is relative. You also have successes. And do not be offended, you will soon realize that I am right.
            2. Maks111
              Maks111 13 December 2012 18: 35
              -1
              What are the excuses gone? where is the list then?

              Вот список http://creationwiki.org/ru/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B
              5_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%83%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%83%D1%87%D1%91%D0%BD%D1%8
              B% D0% B5

              I didn’t get here all
              Alaya, Dr. Hubert N. - Professor of Chemistry at Princeton University. One of the prominent US scientists in the field of chemistry.
              Albert, Dr. Robert A. - Dean of the Department of Natural Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (one of the best US institutes).
              Anderson, Dr. Arthur G. - Director of the Research Center of the International Computer Corporation. (World famous, the largest corporation for the manufacture of computers.)
              Anderson, Dr. W. Elving - Professor of Genetics and Deputy Director of the Institute of Genetics, University of Minnesota, USA.
              Ault, Dr. Wayne J. - Senior Researcher at the Isotope Research Laboratory. (The first commercial laboratory in the world to date using the radiocarbon method and the radioactive isotope of hydrogen.)
              Outrum, Dr. Hanyohem - Dean of the Faculty of Natural Sciences of the University of Munich, one of the prominent German scientists.
              Byron, Dr. Ralph L. - Head of General Surgery and Oncological Surgery (Tumor). Director of the hospital for patients with cancer and cancer-related diseases. (The world famous City of Hope Hospital in Los Angeles, USA.)
              Beadle, Dr. George W. - Director of the Institute of Biological Medicine, American Medical Association, Nobel Laureate in Physiology.
              Behe Mile - American scientist, professor of biological sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, senior research fellow at the Discovery Institute in Seattle; holds a degree in biochemistry.
              Carl Bo (b. 1936) - American paleontologist, TV presenter
              Bourne, Dr. Max - Emeritus Professor of Physics (Retired) at the University of Gottingen as well as the University of Edinburgh Winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics.
          3. the polar
            the polar 13 December 2012 16: 25
            +4
            "first the military regulations and the execution of the order, and then the execution of religious rites."
            ---------------------------------------------------------
            I wonder where it is written in the Bible or the Koran that the Charter is higher than God.
            So the disagreement will begin in part, when the commander is blackmailed under the threat of depriving the sacrament or excommunication
            1. strannik595
              strannik595 13 December 2012 16: 54
              +1
              nonsense frank, even I will not comment fool ps: God is written with a capital letter or your name then write with a small one
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 13 December 2012 12: 53
          +4
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          I do not envy atheists.

          Atheists will be the best. They will attend events of all religions. But to refuse is not tolerant !!! lol
      5. predator.3
        predator.3 13 December 2012 12: 40
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        the USSR Armed Forces somehow did without it, not to mention the Red Army.

        I agree with you, but that the politicians are no longer able to cope with their duties or have already transferred? or is the draftee now deeply religious?
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 13 December 2012 12: 54
          -1
          Just loot once again saw, how much money will be allocated for the "implementation" of this program? How many fictitious posts will these priests have?
          1. reading
            reading 13 December 2012 16: 51
            0
            It will be especially fun when these positions are far from being filled by clergy. Remember how in universities - taught the history of the CPSU and scientific communism, and then relearned and became history or philosophy.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 13 December 2012 13: 52
          +3
          Quote: predator.3
          the conscript now went deeply religious?

          The conscript is probably only deeply religious in the army, something is not felt on the citizen. And if you follow church dogmas, then in paradise it will be deserted, but hell is full. wassat
        3. the polar
          the polar 13 December 2012 16: 36
          +2
          To return the post of political commander, one must first have a state ideology, and according to its ... th (in the sense of the "Yeltsin") constitution, no ideologies exist in Russia today.
          So the politician, if he is re-commissioned, except for the Charter and anecdotes, the soldier has nothing to say
        4. FID
          FID 13 December 2012 17: 01
          +9
          Quote: predator.3
          or is the draftee now deeply religious?

          Big bosses went deeply religious! Where were they before? Is it in the Communist Party?
        5. peter-tank
          peter-tank 14 December 2012 10: 09
          0
          And the mouths of politicians were reduced a couple of years ago.
      6. Maks111
        Maks111 13 December 2012 17: 56
        0
        "Our God is General" A.V. Suvorov
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 13 December 2012 19: 19
          +2
          Yeah, and Suvorov was a generalissimo, it turns out that God went to his subordination
    2. Funker1981
      Funker1981 13 December 2012 13: 44
      +1
      This is not necessary. Arimia should be monolithic, and the separation of beliefs and faiths will only weaken it, add an internal schism.
    3. military
      military 13 December 2012 14: 14
      +2
      Quote: ADEQUATE
      It is interesting to know the staff of the Rabbis !!!

      ... imams and the Dalai Lamas yes
    4. Maks111
      Maks111 13 December 2012 17: 57
      -3
      Now start to rave
  2. strannik595
    strannik595 13 December 2012 11: 58
    +8
    There’s definitely nothing wrong with that, but the moral and volitional qualities of a real priest are always up to the mark and in the First World War they often raised confused fighters to attack (without weapons themselves)
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 December 2012 12: 26
      +8
      Quote: strannik595
      and the moral and volitional qualities of a real priest are always on top

      And where can I get the real ones? I’ve met how many of these ministers on their way, they’re not like the boys 18 years old, they shouldn’t be allowed to see people at all.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 13 December 2012 12: 42
        +1
        there are real ones, I’m just saying, he himself lived for a long time in monasteries and met those who did not pull the strap for Jesus’s sake, but for the sake of Jesus they’re mostly monks
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 13 December 2012 14: 01
          +2
          Quote: strannik595
          and for Jesus’s sake they pull the strap, but these are monks basically

          And in our village there is a monastery courtyard: a swindler on a swindler, even those who were on the federal wanted list were found. My wife decided to confess, she went. She came spitting, she says I’ll go more. In confession, the main topic is sex in various forms. on ..... th, yes she’s gone. But people say to these goats, and then they wonder where the gossip comes from. Here is the moral character.
        2. reading
          reading 13 December 2012 17: 00
          +3
          So the monks will not go to the chaplains, they have their own services, and worshipers (especially in large cities where the parishes are rich) they will not do anything sensible in the matter of educating a soldier, except for teaching rituals and skimming cream from religious events.
          1. Maks111
            Maks111 13 December 2012 18: 43
            0
            Remind about 2 monks participating in the Kulikovo battle?
            1. Funker1981
              Funker1981 16 December 2012 11: 38
              0
              Quote: Max111
              Remind about 2 monks participating in the Kulikovo battle?

              Why remind? Or defend this homeland from an out of the ordinary event? You in your comments are trying to throw all the authorities, apparently there are no real arguments at all ....
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 13 December 2012 16: 53
        0
        One acquaintance of the father called your acquaintances every 12. There are no omissions in this. Everyone knows about it and nothing can be done about this. You can only present a rope so that you do not look for it like Judas.
      3. Maks111
        Maks111 13 December 2012 18: 41
        -2
        And I met. You know, people fall into two categories — bees and flies. Bees everywhere see flowers, and flies are shit.
    2. ioann1
      ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 46
      -2
      I want to add that priests are soul minders. Who will serve the Liturgy and partake of the Holy Mysteries of Christ of the warriors? Therefore, the priest is necessary for the warrior to be strong in spirit and faith in God. So that the Lord does not leave his children. And the Orthodox warrior is not afraid of any enemy.
      By the way, the most persistent warriors were precisely the monks, especially the schemniki. The imperishable relics of St. Elijah of Murom rest in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra.
      Whoever doubts the need for the priesthood in the Russian Army plays into the hands of the United States. Further no comment.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2012 16: 20
        +3
        Quote: ioann1
        Whoever doubts the need for the priesthood in the Russian Army plays into the hands of the United States. Further no comment.

        You came up with a convincing argument, in a purely Jewish style. You’re wearing a name like Russian, and Jewish manners. tongue
      2. reading
        reading 13 December 2012 17: 03
        +6
        Those. Are you those heroes who are not involved, depriving them of the right to perform feats for the glory of the motherland, your loved ones?
    3. reading
      reading 13 December 2012 16: 56
      +4
      And in the Great Patriotic War, political officers and commanders. So comparisons and examples are all about nothing. And even then, the main population of the Russian Empire was a believer, and now Easter and eggs shine - you can’t go to church, and very few have true faith, it’s rather fashionable now. So the army is not worth pursuing fashion.
  3. erased
    erased 13 December 2012 12: 06
    +15
    Priests:
    - Orthodox,
    - Muslim
    - Buddhist
    - Jewish
    - Protestant
    - Rodian (so-called pagans).
    And plus the deputies for educational work for atheists!
    They will put everyone on allowance, everyone will be given ranks, personal cars, adjutants, assistants, clerks. And in order not to overburden the organizational structure, techies and deputies for combat training and combat training will be fired, and they will reduce the platoon and company posts.
    And peace and grandeur will come, like in the Gardens of Eden and the gurus will delight the tired warriors, the zealous lambs of God. Side training, prayers and ministry hourly and nightly! And the army will become strong, strong, united in spirit. Amen. I mean amba!
    1. ZAVET
      ZAVET 13 December 2012 12: 21
      +1
      Most likely, only the Single Abramic cult (consisting of) will move:
      judo christianity
      Judaism
      of Islam
      This is an officially imposed ideology.

      I recall the so-called a bible in Russian appeared for the first time a little over a hundred years ago in 1876.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2012 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: ZAVET
        Most likely only the Single Abramic cult will move

        Yes, Nikolai, you’re right. Our tops do not sparkle with originality, but they can think laziness. Why come up with an ideology, if there is one ready.
        1. the polar
          the polar 13 December 2012 16: 48
          +5
          The top has one "ideology", to cut ... and cut between themselves.
          Such an ideology will be very harmful to a soldier, so the soldier's priests will be brainwashed into loyalty to the "oath" and "top"
      2. ioann1
        ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 34
        +1
        Testament, your reminders are old ka mir. Sectarianism is a disgusting thing, especially when mixed up with banal illiteracy.
    2. ioann1
      ioann1 13 December 2012 14: 43
      -9
      You are mistaken, like so many. Do you still believe that came from the monkey?
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2012 15: 13
        +6
        Quote: ioann1
        You still believe that from the monkey

        From the monkey, mainly those who kissed the peasants in the temples, bows, runs around the kaaba, screams allah akbar, cuts off his head and just like that, worships Yahweh, Jehovah, Sabaoth and all other similar characters.
      2. Mikado
        Mikado 13 December 2012 19: 32
        +5
        The level of education of the bent is immediately visible. Open the biology textbook and read. According to the theory of evolution, a person did not descend from a monkey or from any monkey at all. Man and monkey are two different branches of evolution, having one distant common ancestor. But in TsPSh about this, of course, they don’t tell, but only about monkeys, it’s okay, you’re excusable
    3. Gregazov
      Gregazov 13 December 2012 16: 58
      +2
      Read your opus carefully and please say:
      - what are the names of Buddhist priests,
      - where will the Jewish priests serve in the absence of the Temple destroyed by the Romans?
      - Where to get the priests to the Protestants? (by definition they cannot have them).
      And so on throughout the list.
  4. Sergg
    Sergg 13 December 2012 12: 35
    -9
    The traditions of the Russian army are being revived, when in the army, apart from the father of the commander, there were Orthodox clergymen.
    I think it’s better to have a pop in the regiment than a political instructor, with whom you certainly will not share anything personal.
    Understand that there will not always be peacetime, there will be war, it will be easier for me as a believer to confess, take communion, and after that it will be easier to meet death, because I am Russian and I am Orthodox.
    War is death, everyday dandruff flies quickly.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 December 2012 12: 43
      +4
      Quote: Sergg
      The traditions of the Russian army are being revived, when in the army, apart from the father of the commander, there were Orthodox clergymen.
      I think it’s better to have a pop in the regiment than a political instructor,

      But what about the representatives of other faiths, Catholics, Muslims, Judaists, Buddhists, Gentiles. For them chaplains are provided? Ali how?
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 13 December 2012 12: 59
        -1
        Quote: baltika-18
        But what about the representatives of other faiths, Catholics, Muslims, Judaists, Buddhists, Gentiles. For them chaplains are provided? Ali how?

        I think yes. Only parts will have to be formed on a religious basis. Islamic brigade, Buddhist regiment, and of the Jewish branch.
        1. davoks
          davoks 13 December 2012 13: 33
          +5
          you yourself understand how moronic it sounds? how they just don't mock the army
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 13 December 2012 15: 16
            +4
            Quote: davoks
            how they just don't mock the army

            The mockery of the army is the current reforms, theft, loss of education and the introduction of a religious ideology.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 December 2012 12: 36
    +13
    I myself am Orthodox, with such I would go. Let others answer for other faiths.
  6. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 13 December 2012 12: 48
    -1
    The introduction of the chaplaincy corps is a pressing problem! There is a negative attitude towards political officers and deputy for educational work, especially towards the latter. The political officers at least had an ideological base (I apologize to the real political officials), what do the "educators" have in reserve? Do they have the appropriate education? "Servant of God" of any denomination has everything you need to educate the WARRIOR of your country!
  7. Per se.
    Per se. 13 December 2012 12: 51
    +8
    Immediately all such believers became, how the Red Army won the Nazis without this, it is difficult to understand. They remembered the tsar's army, history, but what times it was and what it is now. In war, not only the name of God is remembered, but the mother's name is also called, what then? It's better to be an atheist, religions have come and gone, changed, only faith in a person, like hope and love, does not change, it is primordial. Religion was invented by people for the use of human faith, in relation to the culture of the people, its traditions, so different confessions appeared. As long as the priests divide God, they pull the blanket over to their confession, nothing good will happen. Serdyukov, I suppose, is also a "believer". It is necessary to raise professionalism in the army and morale, and not order prayers. If you really believe in God, or love your wife, mother very much, this is your own business, only yours, the priests in the trench are not needed for this.
    1. not good
      not good 13 December 2012 13: 22
      -6
      My grandmother was convinced that a communist went to church and answered my question something like this: We have been taught to believe in communism all our lives, communism lived on the flag, and God is in the heart. So, a true believing communist is someone who party card in your pocket and a cross on your chest.
    2. ioann1
      ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 31
      -5
      You, Perse, have become hardened and do not believe anyone. Red Army without God draped saw? History needs to be known, and not to use force and stupidity to convince one's ambitions. The dilemma is simple: on the one hand, God, on the other, the devil. Who are you with?
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2012 16: 32
        +6
        Quote: ioann1
        The dilemma is simple: on the one hand, God, on the other, the devil. Who are you with?

        In the world of Vanya, I apologize for being familiar; everything is relative. I am for socialism as a more equitable economic system. From your religious point of view, I am with God or with the devil.
        Quote: ioann1
        Red Army without God draped saw?
        And the White Army and with God skidded. Yes, and the Russian army, with God, lost the Japanese, the First World War, too, did not brilliantly lead. Maybe not in God? ...
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 13 December 2012 17: 16
        +7
        Quote: ioann1
        You, Perse, have become hardened and do not believe anyone.
        You are listening but not hearing. Faith in every person, faith brings together, religion shares. I saw how Orthodox Armenian priests fought with Orthodox Greek priests for a place in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. This is normal? What to ask then from others. Religion has long been commerce, an instrument of influence. The struggle for the flock is, first of all, the struggle for money, the sphere of influence. The most heinous crimes were covered with the name of God when the Holy Inquisition burned people at the stake, and bandits killed and robbed in the Crusades and under the banner of Jihad. I respect believers, I consider Orthodoxy one of the most humane religions, an integral part of Russian culture, but the cult has no place in the armed forces. The church should be separated from the army, carry God in your soul or attend a temple in dismissal; you don’t need to make a public show of this before the system, especially since there are many religions and beliefs.
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 13 December 2012 18: 50
      -3
      How did you win? She won, not without the help of the barriers of the NKVD detachments.
      "The war is won on penalties" by G.K. Zhukov.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 December 2012 19: 19
        +5
        Quote: Max111
        "The war is won on penalties" by G.K. Zhukov.
        True phrases taken out of context are sometimes more dangerous than lies. Our border guards, who until the last stood at the outposts, also fought from under the stick? Tankers, pilots, sailors (not a single Soviet ship lowered the flag of the USSR Navy, unlike the disgrace of Tsushima, when believing admiral Nebogatov, along with the wounded Rozhdestvensky and ship altar, surrendered to the Japanese, having lowered battle flags on the remaining Russian battleships). The defeat of the Kwantung army, on Damansky and in Afghanistan, ours also fought on penalties? Of course, in life everything is more complicated, but do not distort.
  8. Marine One
    Marine One 13 December 2012 12: 59
    +5
    "In memory of the atheists in the trenches and countless freethinkers who served this country with honor and distinction."
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 27
      +1
      This does not apply to Russia!
  9. Mitek
    Mitek 13 December 2012 13: 04
    +6
    I have an EXTREMELY negative attitude towards priests. None have met normal. The same shit as bureaucrats. But I think they will not go to the ranks of the Armed Forces "for money" ... And if without the excesses inherent in us, a la "airborne temple", then let there be one priest per brigade))). I remember about the Caucasus, sometimes it's not superfluous.
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 13 December 2012 13: 42
      +2
      Quote: Mitek
      And if, without the excesses inherent in us, a la "the landing temple


      Here is the temple itself. Airborne. The only one in the world. It consists of two parts: tents with special unbreakable church utensils and a trailer with a life support module.
      1. Artem6688
        Artem6688 13 December 2012 15: 28
        +1
        This is the height of the idiocy accumulated in the army during the 90s. There wasn’t such a shit under the USSR.
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 13 December 2012 16: 24
          +4
          Quote: Artem6688
          There wasn’t such a shit under the USSR


          Instead, there were Leninist rooms. And the marching lenkomnats became the top of idiocy. Especially powerful and necessary they looked somewhere under Shindand. Og.
    2. ioann1
      ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 26
      -5
      How do you feel about God? Are your ancestors baboons?
      1. EropMyxoMop
        EropMyxoMop 13 December 2012 15: 53
        0
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/611/afqb557.jpg
  10. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 13 December 2012 13: 12
    +7
    Is our church (as a religious and religious institute of any orientation, type and type) separate from the state? .. Yes, separate. And this gap is clearly, clearly and unequivocally enshrined in the legislation of the Russian Federation. But the army, after all, is a state structure ... Well, where, let me ask the logic in the actions of our sovereign husbands? ..
    And Sergey Kozhugetovich would be better (first and foremost !!!) to attend to the return (restoration) of the division structure in our army. Until it's not too late. Until we lost time. And while there are people in our Armed Forces who are able to work with compounds of this type ... Everything else is the chaplain’s corps, the development of sports companies, the next change of form, this is secondary and essentially not important ...
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 13 December 2012 13: 55
      +3
      Duc is not only in the army. Go to any state institution in the Caucasus, there will certainly be a prayer room for prayer. More and more, the government is introducing religion into our lives, hoping that this will be an idea that strengthens society.
    2. ioann1
      ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 24
      -3
      Forgive me for answering, do you believe that faith in God is secondary? Where would the Red Army be if Russian people did not turn to God with a prayer tear for the deliverance of Russia from the Nazis ?! And what was going on in the Temples of the country when Stalin allowed the Church to be opened for the flock? All the available and not destroyed churches of the country were opened. Seminaries, monasteries were opened ... Rokossovsky, Zhukov, many other military leaders communed of the Holy Mysteries of Christ. This is not known to you. Do you naively believe that in everything is the power of weapons and the power of a fist? Pay attention to this side of life. For there is salvation in it. A warrior will never be a coward if he is a believer. But if he is an atheist, then his life is worthless. By the way, there are no atheists in the war. They are all on Bolotnaya and on Sakharov.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 December 2012 18: 29
        +8
        Quote: ioann1
        A warrior will never be a coward if he is a believer. But if he is an atheist, then his life is worthless.

        So you think that a person who is not a believer, who has accomplished a feat, who saved people at the cost of his life, suppose is less valuable than a believer. Original. Your strange god looks more like the devil, he loves worship. I have a different god: friend, older comrade , he does not need worship, he needs understanding.
      2. Maks111
        Maks111 13 December 2012 18: 57
        -2
        And you do not prove anything to them. Judging by the empire on your avatar, you are a monarchist. Me too)) And we, the monarchists, often have to argue with the communist-atheists, and you probably already know that to prove something to the communist-atheists is sheer madness, even when they poke them in the face with facts they don't care. So do not spoil your nerves my friend.
      3. not good
        not good 13 December 2012 22: 05
        -4
        Before the battle for Moscow, according to a secret order of Stalin, on a specially designated plane, a group of church hierarchs, with the monk of the mother of God and a prayer service, flew around the positions of our troops. And it is not yet known what faith and belief in a bright future helped our troops to do. In any case, if this ideological factor is able to strengthen the morale of at least half of the fighters, let it be a chaplain.
      4. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 14 December 2012 01: 11
        +3
        Respected ioann1, you are right - there are no atheists in the war. But there is no God in war either ...

        In our Armed Forces at this time there are much more pressing and more significant problems than the creation of the so-called. "corps of chaplains". For if we do not have a strong (well-armed, trained and efficient) army, then any presence of chaplains in it (as its structural unit) is simply meaningless ...
        In addition, faith in God and the institution of the church are slightly different things however ...
  11. not good
    not good 13 December 2012 13: 31
    +3
    In the first VMI named after Peter the Great, the former VVMU named after Frunze, the internal church was restored. The church was restored without the participation of the MoD, by veterans, graduates and cadets with the support of the diocese. The restoration process, with all the approvals, took more than 10 years, but now it’s leading the services and the church lives and no one said it no one needs anyone. Who cares, more on the website of the Glory of the Sea Foundation.
  12. USNik
    USNik 13 December 2012 13: 42
    +5
    And what is worse than the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the police and other Emergencies Ministry? Give all chaplains! But seriously, in my opinion, the tendency "to do as it was under the tsar" does not take into account that it is the 21st century.
  13. Temnik
    Temnik 13 December 2012 14: 11
    +9
    Damn, what kind of insanity? Shoigu was like a normal man, but she’s even disgusting!
  14. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 13 December 2012 14: 26
    0
    "Such a need has matured, because the military priests will replace another institute that effectively acted in wartime, and now it has actually collapsed - the institute of officers for educational work."

    And we had warned the political leaders a long time ago, back in the 90s, that they would all be dispersed and taken to part of one priest, and he alone would cope with all the fighters.
    erased
    Priests:
    - Orthodox,
    - Muslim
    - Buddhist
    - Jewish
    - Protestant
    - Rodian (so-called pagans).
    And plus the deputies for educational work for atheists!
    They will put everyone on allowance, everyone will be given ranks, personal cars, adjutants, assistants, clerks. And in order not to overburden the organizational structure, techies and deputies for combat training and combat training will be fired, and they will reduce the platoon and company posts.
    And peace and grandeur will come, like in the Gardens of Eden and the gurus will delight the tired warriors, the zealous lambs of God. Side training, prayers and ministry hourly and nightly! And the army will become strong, strong, united in spirit. Amen. I mean amba!

    People have already been dispersed and not for the sake of the priests, but for the sake of the "new look of the Armed Forces" and everyone who "did not fit in" like I was thrown out of the army.
    Drive the priests in vain, especially in Chechnya the priests have shown themselves as part of combat units.
    If there are no political leaders in the army, let there be a priest, as it was before 1917.
    If not a priest, who is ready to educate a soldier? Exactly, no one.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 December 2012 15: 24
      +7
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      If not a priest, who is ready to educate a soldier? That's it, no one

      A professional military psychologist, it is necessary to prepare in specialized military schools that civil young people should be .... brains put in place and sent to the path of service to the Motherland. The priest is not capable of this in its mass, the rarest units are only of them.
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 13 December 2012 16: 04
        +6
        baltika-18

        I wanted to write a comment, but ... I read all yours and there is nothing to add. I agree with you
        Quote: baltika-18
        The mockery of the army is the current reforms, theft, loss of education and the introduction of a religious ideology.

        drinks
    2. the polar
      the polar 13 December 2012 17: 16
      +4
      "If there are no political officers in the army, let there be a priest"
      -----------------------------------------
      Well, yes, not every officer has the conscience to convince a soldier that he should put his life to death for those pig’s snouts that were seated in the Kremlin and the State Duma, for his governor, whose face is bursting with fat, for the minister of defense, who saw army billions with whores.
      Here, of course, only a "father with a beard" can improve matters if every day he tries to say that "if all power is from God, let the youths submit to her and give her your life."
      1. Maks111
        Maks111 13 December 2012 19: 01
        0
        Well, yes, not every officer has the conscience to convince a soldier that he should put his life in the hands of those pig’s snouts that settled in the Kremlin


        And our soldiers lay with their bones for their homeland and not for the state. These are different things.
  15. ioann1
    ioann1 13 December 2012 15: 08
    +1
    The Russian Army was invincible not because it was perfectly armed or what other opportunities were there.
    The Russian Army was strong in its Faith in God. And the Lord and the Most Holy Theotokos kept Holy Russia with their care. What does it mean to preserve such a huge Russia with such a relatively small population.

    Believers know the meaning of life - perfection and preparation for eternal life.
    Many people believe that there is no God and live without any faith. Atheists believe, more strongly than those who believe in God, that there is no God. But it’s crazy to deny the Creator.
    Usually people after 40 gradually begin to realize that this life was given for a reason .... But if sorrows are sent to a person, then he will seriously think. And if everything is so smooth, then this should alert the person, something is not right in his life.
    One woman cried for half an hour at the icon, and when the priest asked her that she was crying so much, she answered him, they say, I have everything in life and health, family and grandchildren and a house and money, but something constantly pushes her the idea that life is too fresh.
    And she feels that it just won't end ....
    The patristic teaching says that a person should see his sins and try to cast them out of himself by repentance. And this is prayer. The Lord, seeing the intention of man to purify his soul, will help him. A man himself without God's help will not be delivered from sin, but you still have to answer. For some already with this earthly life.

    Two hunters went hunting for wild boar. They killed a huge billhook and decided to make a halt. Well, as expected, got a snack and a bottle. One says I want to drink for happiness, and the other for health. And the first - it’s better for happiness, it will help health. And the second says, they say, you need to drink for health, because everything rests on it. Then the first one also says, here, they say, the boar was so healthy! and what it, health, gave him, now the boar is deeply unhappy.
    The main thing is faith and happiness in faith, and everything else will follow.
    1. davoks
      davoks 13 December 2012 15: 26
      +1
      is not you in the picture?

    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 December 2012 21: 20
      +4
      Quote: ioann1
      The Russian Army was invincible not because it was perfectly armed or what other opportunities were there.
      The Russian Army was strong in its Faith in God.

      The proverb to remember, the popular wisdom “hope for God, but don’t make a mistake yourself.” Human foolishness is not cured by God's providence Vanya.
  16. Artem6688
    Artem6688 13 December 2012 15: 14
    0
    Hmm, insanity is getting stronger. Our army already has enough "spirituality"
  17. Uncle
    Uncle 13 December 2012 16: 03
    -3
    Good news, and all sorts of Baltic №18 and the like can grind their teeth as much as they like, even if they will be erased to the roots, there can be Great Russia !!!
    1. davoks
      davoks 13 December 2012 16: 09
      +4
      Yes, only atheists drink the Baltic, and priests consume extremely healthy food. there are some fat faces



      1. Artem6688
        Artem6688 13 December 2012 17: 10
        +2
        To the second photo: The infidels will be eaten!
      2. Maks111
        Maks111 13 December 2012 19: 04
        0
        And you, atheists, are saints straight.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 December 2012 16: 41
      +1
      Quote: Uncle
      Good news, and all sorts of Baltic №18

      Especially for Uncle. The Baltic callsign of my border detachment, the 95th Königsberg. And 18 is a year of a change in the direction of my country's domestic and foreign policy, a year of a radical change in the history of civilization.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 13 December 2012 16: 56
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        Baltic call sign of my border detachment, 95th Konigsberg.

        And my call sign was Caberan. Nobody knew what it was. smile
        1. tambourine 2012
          tambourine 2012 13 December 2012 18: 26
          +1
          Uncle, And my name was 99 and no one knew how much the number was before and how much it was after and where they went laughing
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    1. davoks
      davoks 13 December 2012 16: 28
      +5
      our church is separated from the state, but for some reason the holy faces can now be seen in institutions and even in the Duma. Well, now they will be in the army. airborne temples are already available
  19. Dikremnij
    Dikremnij 13 December 2012 16: 58
    0
    I believe that the introduction of the chaplain’s corps is not necessary, it is better to have a cap with a couple of priests, one mule and a rabbi who come to the unit a couple of times a day from the nearest parish with each brigade or regiment.
    And the replacement of political officers by clergy is complete nonsense: just imagine what will happen to the soldiers if you constantly tell them: "hit on the right cheek, turn your left cheek" + to this, the concept of "faith" and "church" are not the same thing, it is not for nothing that they say : "They don't believe in God, they go to church."
    I am Orthodox, I believe in God, but in the church, like many, I go 1-2 times a year. So are the soldiers: let them believe in whom they want, albeit in a holy jigsaw, the main thing is that they would fulfill their duties and not fall to their knees and begin to pray.
    That is, the army should be an atheistic society that obeys orders, and they must believe in God deep in their hearts.
    1. davoks
      davoks 13 December 2012 16: 59
      +3
      and why are the priests of the mullahs and rabbis in the army generally needed? From this army is it better to fight?
      1. Artem6688
        Artem6688 13 December 2012 17: 12
        0
        Church supporters have an answer to this.
        "you sho s ** and not Orthodox?! right now, I will remember Christ as a heretic !!! 11"
  20. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 13 December 2012 18: 08
    +2
    baltika-18
    A professional military psychologist, it is necessary to prepare in specialized military schools that civil young people should be .... brains put in place and sent to the path of service to the Motherland. The priest is not capable of this in its mass, the rarest units are only of them.

    And where to get them "professional military psychologists" if soon there will be no professional military personnel after the "reform of military education."
    And who told you that a military psychologist will have authority and influence on personnel?
    The commissar, political instructor, political officer had an ideological platform.
    The educators and psychologists of the army of the 90s and zero had nothing, because you yourself know why.
  21. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 13 December 2012 18: 24
    +1
    the polar
    Well, yes, not every officer has the conscience to convince a soldier that he should put his life to death for those pig’s snouts that were seated in the Kremlin and the State Duma, for his governor, whose face is bursting with fat, for the minister of defense, who saw army billions with whores.
    Here, of course, only a "father with a beard" can improve matters if every day he tries to say that "if all power is from God, let the youths submit to her and give her your life."

    This Bolshevik agitation from your lips is just some kind.
    With such conversations in the First World War, the "non-systemic opposition" disintegrated the army on the verge of victory.
    Always the Russian and Soviet soldiers first of all fought for their homeland no matter what the rulers were.
    And what everyone puts for himself in the concept of Homeland is another matter.
    After all, if you follow your reasoning, the Red Army soldier in 1941 had to "drain the rulers and the bloody gebnya" as they say now, but the Germans advised this in their leaflets.
    And such examples can be given in batches.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 13 December 2012 22: 15
      +2
      You can "decompose" only that which is painful, badly damaged or dies. Worms will never start on a clean healthy body. Therefore, various revolutionary elements managed to disintegrate the tsarist army, which the whole Third Reich, with its powerful propaganda ministry headed by Goebbels, failed to do with the Red Army.
  22. water-sochi
    water-sochi 13 December 2012 21: 57
    0
    Thank God. At last!
    The country's leadership realized that a moral, high-spirited man is more combat-ready, capable of self-sacrifice, ready to lay down his life for his people and brothers in arms. Thank God - all for the better ...
    Critics simply do not understand the importance of spiritual and moral education. Or underestimate. Meanwhile, the entire state system of punishment and hazing, which demoralizes the soldier, are unable to correct the situation of morale in our army in the way spiritual and moral education can do. It is necessary for a citizen from childhood. Well, a soldier in conditions of service - even more so.
    Thank God. Now it will be easier.
  23. davoks
    davoks 14 December 2012 00: 32
    +3
    someone deleted my koment on fat priests. understand - tolerance
  24. Insurgent 23
    Insurgent 23 14 December 2012 01: 44
    +1
    faith - a synonym for ignorance, the current government all the same than - the main thing is to confuse the people.
    1. Bars90
      Bars90 15 December 2012 15: 54
      0
      Put you on the count! .... God forgive me
  25. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 14 December 2012 10: 01
    +2
    All that can be said is that the Orthodox military will say "Thank God and God help you."
    Atheists for whom there is no God, but for some reason they are fighting with him, they will perceive negatively.
    Russia has experience in the clergy in the army and navy.
    Moreover, those who in the same Chechnya came across "combat" priests know that these are mostly former military men. As the saying goes, here's the "military" and here's the "psychologists" with great authority and education for soldiers and sailors.
  26. Bars90
    Bars90 15 December 2012 15: 53
    0
    Spiritual mentors are needed ... I'd rather go to a priest for help than a psychologist. The priest will speak as with a person, and the psychologist as with the patient.
  27. water-sochi
    water-sochi 17 December 2012 19: 30
    0
    Honestly, he is a psychologist by training. However, psychology is just a science - the work of human hands. It helps in something: in professional selection, psychocorrection, help for children.
    But even if you remove the pride of the mind of a learned husband, it is clear that everything is from God: science, art, and everything good and useful in the world.
    And there are no unbelievers in the war. And even atheist scientists are believers. Why? Yes, because they believe that there is no God :))) But they do not need Him either only as long as everything is fine with them. And as soon as we get sick (or what a misfortune), we immediately shout: "Lord, help!"
    You are right guys. A believing military man is a stone of fortitude. And a wise statesman who understands the importance of this issue.
  28. lilit.193
    lilit.193 April 15 2013 16: 05
    +1
    As if the army has nothing more to do but to introduce priests! This is stupidity. They will not fix anything, but only the number of parasites will increase.
  29. UFO
    UFO April 15 2013 16: 31
    -1
    But for me it’s such a good idea if it will be of any use. Only do not put on allowance, otherwise it’s just a feeding trough for priests, no more hi .