Dima Yakovlev's list versus Sergei Magnitsky's list: spit on a stone?

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They scared Russia, they scared Magnitsky with the list, and finally they were honored - they adopted a scandalous law by a majority vote in the US Congress. Both houses of the US parliament almost unanimously expressed a desire to repeal the notorious Jackson-Vanik amendment, but at the same time replace it with a new legislative act - the Magnitsky act. Senator Cardin, like no one else, was thus willing to report violations of human rights in Russia. Like, if Russia is a country in which lawyers die in prison hospitals, then it is urgent to take some measures: create a list of "guilty", and those guilty, solely in the opinion of congressmen, and prohibit these people from entering the United States. A plus to this is the freezing of accounts of all those whom Cardin and Co. have listed on Magnitsky's list.

After creating and accepting the list, many, both abroad and in our country, said: but because of what, in fact, raise the hubbub. After all, THEY did not accept the list for us and ordinary Russians, but for very different people. They say that they didn’t touch us - okay ... The position is certainly interesting, but it’s somehow too opportunistic. And does anyone really have the confidence that the American parliamentarians did all this to punish those responsible for the death of Magnitsky? Naive ...

However, even putting to brackets the identities of those people who were on the “black list”, you involuntarily ask yourself: does something similar to Magnitsky act in relation to any other states or individual gentlemen? Perhaps the Americans arrested the accounts of George W. Bush, who, during his time in the Oval Office of the White House, managed to violate so many rights and freedoms of civilians that his mother did not worry ... Perhaps the Congress is going to prohibit all people involved in the United States from entering killings of civilians in Serbia, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. If so, then there can’t be some entry ban. Here the Congress itself will have to dissolve ... Perhaps the same Cardin associates will decide to add to the list, for example, the British queen, along with David Cameron, who are not averse to welcome all, excuse me, terrorist and oligarchic riffraff who managed to violate all possible human rights , taken together.

But is it worth discussing the one-sidedness of American sanctions again and again, if our reasoning is clearly not impressed by American politicians who are looking for another mote in another's eye. In this case, it is better to find an appropriate practical move that will allow US lawmakers to understand that every stick has two ends, and every action, according to the laws of physics, gives rise to adequate opposition.

This practical opposition from Russia can be, if you will, “our response to Chamberlain” in the form of a list of the name of Dima Yakovlev. Dima is the same boy who was once adopted by the American family, and so “cared” about him, that the adoptive father managed to either forget or purposefully leave the baby in the car heated to + 50 in the sun, as a result of which the boy died. Recall that the case occurred in the state of Virginia, under the laws of which Miles Harrison faced up to 10 years in prison. But the court not only didn’t give 10 to the child-killer years, but justified this man in general ... The court simply did not consider the actions of Dima Yakovlev’s adoptive father criminal: they say, well, the person who happens to be forgotten ... However, in similar cases with American children, the court invariably passed convictions and "rewarded" the guilty with simply astronomical terms. But then, American children, and Russian ones ... It turns out that human rights in the United States can be respected with respect to far from all. And if so, then what do the initiators of the adoption of the Magnitsky list say. Is it not time for them to take a closer look in the mirror to see firsthand that there are real violations of human rights: a violation of the basic right - the right to life. Or does the United States recognize that people in the world should be divided by grades? ..

It is obvious that the retaliatory move on the part of Russia towards the United States is clearly a necessary measure. This is emphasized by both the Russian Foreign Ministry and the legislators, who have shown rare unanimity when adopting the list of Dima Yakovlev in the first reading. However, when such a step is made, you need to finish the job. It is necessary to conduct an active information campaign, which would allow to reveal the one-sidedness of the foreign policy of the United States and attempts to keep silent about its own facts of violations of human values. Let the very global community, about which so much has been said lately, also open its eyes to the American “democracy”, which has not stood next to real democracy. The fact of the appearance of the list of Dima Yakovlev can put the American president, who promised to put his signature on the Magnitsky act already before the end of 2012, in an unpleasant situation. After all, if Obama takes this step, then Vladimir Putin will give a move to the response list, which is able to demonstrate to the world that it is time to take a sober look at the American justice system, which has become the very real stuffed democracy: outwardly, everything is a feather to a feather, and inside is solid sawdust forms ...

The adoption of the Magnitsky list by the American legislators does not at all trace the desire for a real struggle for democratic values, but a craving for hanging a new iron curtain. After all, it is much more convenient with him to talk about the clear threat from Russia towards the United States. American politicians are simply vitally necessary to have an external enemy, behind the shadow of which you can crank out lucrative deals. So is it worth saying that in the States someone is seriously concerned about the tragic fate of Sergei Magnitsky ... Yes, the majority of those who voted "for" do not even know who Magnitsky is, and why he ended up in the SIZO. But this is not important for Congress.

It is a pity that the name of this person now, thanks to overseas officials, has become a synonym for the policy of double standards, which have to be corrected by symmetrical methods.

Someone can declare that for the USA the return Russian list will not be a big tragedy. But we do not need other people's tragedies. The task of Russia in this case is to pick up a large mirror and direct it towards the United States. Sometimes it is very useful to look at yourself from the side.
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  1. +18
    13 December 2012 08: 24
    The answer to this American dirty trick should not be proportionately large.
    "Tooth, for a tooth" - will not work.
    1. +10
      13 December 2012 09: 02
      Quote: Bulls.
      The answer to this American dirty trick should not be proportionately large.
      And what's the point? In the version that has been considered so many loopholes to bring to the list of almost any politician or businessman ... And Magnitsky’s list was adopted precisely under the pressure of business ... So that’s all about the case ... Russia is simply necessary for American business. .
      1. +3
        13 December 2012 09: 07
        Quote: domokl
        And what's the point? In the version that has been considered so many loopholes to bring to the list of almost any politician or businessman ... And Magnitsky’s list was adopted precisely under the pressure of business ... So that’s all about the case ... Russia is simply necessary for American business. .

        Yes, at least for prevention. So that they wouldn’t think much about themselves, even in the interests of business.
        And then, they will extend this experience to politics, the canceled amendment "Jackson with a broom" speaks about the same.
        1. Hon
          +29
          13 December 2012 09: 43
          Horrible! Officials will be banned from entering the United States and their money stolen by excessive labor will be frozen !!!
          1. 11Goor11
            +1
            13 December 2012 11: 25
            Hon
            Horrible! Officials will be banned from entering the United States and their money stolen by excessive labor will be frozen !!!

            From now on, any entrepreneur doing business in the United States will have to consider two options: to fully comply with ALL requirements, or to lose his business. Does anyone doubt the "goodwill" of the United States?
            “Now steps are being taken to re-Sovietize the region. It will be called differently - the customs union, the Eurasian Union, and so on.

            Clinton said, speaking of different options for the plan supported by Moscow to deepen economic ties with neighbors.
            But let's not be deceived. We know what the purpose of this is and are trying to find effective ways to slow down or prevent it. ”

            And such as Clinton honestly refuse to act through those whom they can put pressure on?
        2. 0
          13 December 2012 10: 03
          Quote: Bulls.
          Yes, at least for prevention. So that you don’t think much about yourself,
          Dear Bykov, in order to prevent multidisciplinary law, narrowing down to a specific list is stupid ... I repeat ... The amendment was adopted under the pressure of business .. Magnitsky’s list is a blow primarily to Russia's prestige and the answer will be adequate and even more serious ... Americans around the world, with the help of Hollywood, they distributed the version of paradise on Earth in the form of the USA and any facts against this version of death are similar ...
    2. YARY
      +18
      13 December 2012 09: 04
      I want to include P. Obama B. Obama in this list.
      Since he is the leader of a criminal terrorist community called Se She A,
      1. +10
        13 December 2012 09: 14
        Quote: Ardent
        I want to include P. Obama B. Obama in this list.
        Since he is the leader of a criminal terrorist community called Se She A,

        Moreover, after he recognized his allies in terror, legitimate authority, in Syria.
        1. +16
          13 December 2012 09: 18
          List of Dima Yakovlev - normal reaction of Russia to the provocation by the United States
          As usual, the naivety and uselessness of these diplomatic fun is surprising - those citizens of the United States and Russia, whose names are now on the lists of "But" and "Yakovlev" did not plan and do not plan to go anywhere abroad, they live satisfyingly in their homeland

          And the kid is purely humanly sorry

          1. +7
            13 December 2012 09: 33
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Dima Yakovlev list - normal reaction


            Well, hanging a child on a banner seems to me not entirely correct. hide behind children.

            why not a list of a student recently beaten in Canada who was sent to prison for a false denunciation, or the same Booth. Or Lugovoi who was accused.

            In the end, why not a list of Zakayev or Berezovsky. there you can include not only the British.
            1. Hon
              +20
              13 December 2012 09: 47
              Yes, they are poher on these lists, their officials do not keep accounts in our banks and do not send their children to study with us. I don’t understand you at all, why are you so worried about the property of corrupt officials? It would be nice if this list included all the officials of Russia. Just not the former, but I myself am a year as a civil service)))
              1. +5
                13 December 2012 09: 54
                Quote: Hon
                Just not the former, but I myself am a year as a civil service)))


                Eugene, I drove off. a plus.
              2. -2
                14 December 2012 02: 23
                Quote: Hon
                I don't understand at all

                It can be seen.
                Quote: Hon
                why are you so worried about the property of corrupt officials?

                Is there an account abroad in Russia - a 100% sign of corruption? .
                You must understand that this is a direct intervention in the affairs of Russia. If, for example, you are pursuing a policy that is not acceptable to the United States, if you are fighting NGOs - foreign agents, then Ms. Alekseeva or Mr. Navalny may add you to the list of Magnitsky’s name. If you have funds in any foreign electronic payment system or a credit card, say Visa, then they can freeze your funds. And whether you are corrupt or not (what else needs to be proved in court), believe me, this is the tenth case. Or they can arrest property in Russia using international law, which, according to our constitution, dominates the laws of the Russian Federation.
                1. Hon
                  +2
                  14 December 2012 09: 48
                  Quote: brutal true
                  Is there an account abroad in Russia - a 100% sign of corruption?

                  The fact that officials have accounts abroad is a clear sign of corruption. By the way, in the same US officials are closely monitored. And for every dollar earned and spent, they report.
                  1. +2
                    14 December 2012 16: 49
                    Quote: Hon
                    The fact that officials have accounts abroad is a clear sign of corruption.

                    Why is that? Let me remind you, if you use Visa or Master Card, then this is already a foreign account. There is a law that governs this all. And there is your idea of ​​how financial issues should be regulated by officials. And these are two big differences! Only a court can recognize a person as a corruptionist, and not any slanderer to whom something seems there. Now the law is changing. Although, I agree with you that the official should not keep money abroad. But we do not have our visa or master card.
                    Quote: Hon
                    By the way, in the same US officials are closely monitored. And for every dollar earned and spent, they report.

                    Again unfounded statement. In the USA, corruption is legalized, and this is called lobbying. And they saw it there so that our miserable little crumbs did not even dream of it.
                    1. 0
                      14 December 2012 19: 12
                      Quote: brutal true
                      Let me remind you, if you use Visa or Master Card, then this is already a foreign account.

                      Maybe - an account in foreign currency?
                      The financial institution I serve is a resident of the Russian Federation, respectively - its activities are regulated by the legislation and legal acts of the Russian Federation. So how could he open an "account in another country" for me, if he himself and all his activities are within the territory of the state border of the Russian Federation?
                      Quote: brutal true
                      There is a law that governs this all.

                      I would like to look at him. If not difficult, please.

                      Based on your reasoning: if I, a resident of the Russian Federation, bought a car in the Russian Federation and a resident of the Russian Federation that was manufactured in the United States and passed customs clearance and other such import operations, then at any time the US government has the right to seize the goods that I translate on this car, as directed by Navalny or other sheluponi?
              3. 0
                14 December 2012 06: 00
                I suspect that 90% (if not all) of the people from the Magnitsky list also laughed at their participation in this amerskoy law, or do you think that an investigator from Kazan still regularly travels to the United States to put money on the "savings bank"?
                This is clearly not an anti-corruption law that has nothing to do with human rights, but a purely anti-Russian attack. After all, they can not give a visa without explaining the reasons to any person, for this they do not need a separate legislative act, but they only need to once again loudly declare hostility towards our country
              4. bask
                0
                14 December 2012 06: 59
                Quote: Hon
                Just not the former, but I myself am a year as a civil service)))

                Here is her confession, a former official. Hon write an article, our site is una. How is it at your state .. ,, service ,,, You can use false names. It will be a HIT of the outgoing year .....
                1. Hon
                  0
                  14 December 2012 09: 41
                  He worked in FAGR, I won’t tell you everything, but it was we who managed to sell 4 MiG-31 fighters (gliders) at a price of 153 rubles apiece)))
              5. Denzel13
                0
                14 December 2012 19: 49
                Quote: Hon
                Just not the former, but I myself am a year as a civil service)))


                I killed him completely! laughing
              6. Alex_g23r
                0
                14 December 2012 22: 41
                I agree. Accidentally minusanul you, I apologize.
              7. scrack
                0
                15 December 2012 00: 20
                My wife recently quit the civil service, but we are not going to travel abroad, even just to relax
            2. 0
              13 December 2012 10: 20
              Quote: vorobey
              Well, hanging a child on a banner seems to me not entirely correct. hide behind children.

              There is no place for human ethics in diplomatic games

              Quote: vorobey
              In the end, why not a list of Zakayev or Berezovsky. there you can include not only the British.

              That would not be so heartbreaking. Chechen and Birch do not look like martyrs
              1. +2
                13 December 2012 10: 24
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Chechen and Birch do not look like martyrs


                They are not needed for dick. or Moscow stopped riding the subway. electric trains and now live in separate cottages. Or ethics and moralists have forgotten some of the events in the Caucasus. And there will be more innocently ruined more children.
            3. +1
              13 December 2012 17: 30
              Quote: vorobey
              In the end, why not a list of Zakayev or Berezovsky. there you can include not only the British.

              Yes, in general, you need to have your own lists for each case. This or that mattress cover is not acceptable in our country, they have made it to the appropriate list and sent it right away.
          2. Brother Sarych
            +12
            13 December 2012 09: 40
            I feel sorry for the boy, very sorry ...
            The screech with Magnitsky’s list only says that he has touched a lot of people, and my tongue will turn around to call them honest people ...
            Let the thieves suffer ...
            1. +3
              13 December 2012 09: 52
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              Let the thieves suffer ...


              Oh, how are the buzzards they suffer. Right so it suffers suffering.
          3. +1
            13 December 2012 10: 34
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            List of Dima Yakovlev - normal reaction of Russia to the provocation by the United States

            If only it can be in the propaganda sense, then yes, but in all the rest it is very doubtful. He does not have any accounts or property in Russia, and I think he was hardly going to visit. Well, on such figures as Nathan Rothschild and Ivan Glisenberg (the actual owners of "Russian Aluminum") he will not act, everything is on the drum.
            1. 0
              14 December 2012 06: 11
              Explain to me which of the persons on the Magnitsky list has accounts in the USA and is going to go there?
              1. Hon
                0
                14 December 2012 09: 50
                Investigators in this case have accounts and real estate abroad, if a similar law is adopted in Europe, then you will have to part with all this.
          4. +5
            13 December 2012 12: 03
            I don’t understand our state attitude towards orphans. Every month, then in the USA, then France, then Suomi .... Killed, tortured, taken away. Why are we trading in our future?
            1. Beck
              -1
              13 December 2012 13: 30
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              I don’t understand our state attitude towards orphans. Every month, then in the USA, then France, then Suomi .... Killed, tortured, taken away. Why are we trading in our future?


              No one is trading the future. It’s just that the state cannot provide for its children as it should be. The orphanages are crowded. Sorrow happened - what a freak killed the adopted child from Russia. So the punishment is there. This is the case. And how many thousands of Russian children found there their father and mother whom they did not find in Russia. What did they live better in overcrowded orphanages with malnutrition and official attitude?
              1. +13
                13 December 2012 13: 39
                Let me disagree. Employees of Russian children's institutions for orphans are often extremely reluctant to go for permission in terms of adopting a baby (especially Russian families). From the number of certificates that you need to provide, you can hit your head against the wall!
                After all, the personal income of employees depends on the number of children in the orphanage. The notorious per capita financing. If you want to adopt, try ... But the provision of orphans (I'm not talking about parental affection) is many times better than it was 8-10 years ago. So it’s just that someone is trying to solve their financial problems at the expense of orphans, including literally “selling” orphans abroad. Believe me, these are not empty words.
                1. Beck
                  -2
                  13 December 2012 14: 00
                  Quote: Volodin
                  So it is just that someone is trying to solve their financial problems at the expense of orphans, including literally "selling" orphans abroad. Believe me, these are not empty words.


                  And there it is. Everything in our life is. And I’m sure that the attitude towards children in orphanages has improved. But even the most comfortable orphanage will not replace a family, even a foster home.

                  And the question is actually not only in orphanages. But in the general level of economic development, the level of morality. All this in general is the impossibility of providing children. The government, of course, is doing something, but not enough. The concept of providing children with children includes raising the educational level of adults and their moral qualities. Providing adults with work and housing, and much more. Only then will the women stop giving children to the orphanage because there is no work, housing, etc.
                  1. Beck
                    0
                    13 December 2012 14: 22
                    Quote: Beck
                    And the question is actually not only in orphanages.


                    And further. From the very beginning I could not understand why in the prosperous West there are so many people who want to adopt children. After all, they adopt not only in Russia, but around the world. I came to my conclusion. Their children seemed to have faded into the background. First, work, career, providing his life with everything necessary, according to the level of our time.

                    So it turns out that by the age of 40-50, everyone has provided for themselves, and the best child-bearing age has passed. There were some contraindications to pregnancy. And by chance, I don’t want to go pregnant, not to sleep at night, to wash the diapers. So they use adoption. This is my vision.
                    1. Homer
                      +5
                      13 December 2012 16: 15
                      Quote: Beck
                      So it turns out that by the age of 40-50, everyone has provided for themselves, and the best child-bearing age has passed.

                      And what about the buggers? What is your vision?
                      1. Beck
                        +5
                        13 December 2012 16: 50
                        Quote: Homer
                        And what about the buggers? What is your vision?


                        And I would not want to talk about them. But I will say.

                        Homosexuality is a perversion of a physiological and mental nature. Even if something is at the gene level, something is wrong, but there is a brain. Who should sensibly evaluate who you are. These are my assumptions.

                        Now my attitude towards homosexuals. In fact, this is a personal matter for everyone where he wants to put his penis. At least in a hollow, at least in a hole in the fence, at least a hedgehog in needles. But if you are so indiscriminate, then sit quietly in your kennel with at least two partners. And do not go out into the street with banners about trampled "love". Soap in two holes
                        from zeal in his nook.

                        And it is completely unacceptable for me their marriages. They want to trivialize the natural-social that is inherent in us by the official registration of marriage. If they have "love, then why perversion officialdom. If not worth it and not worth it. So it is possible to officially recognize the bastards as innocent herds."

                        The most acceptable is the desire of homosexuals to adopt children. The children initially laid the division into male and female and a priori this psychological balance. And what will they get in a homosexual family? They will receive a tremendous psychological collapse in consciousness. Which will be contrary to hereditary nature, fairy tales, books, songs. And this will be the process of deforming a child’s psycho, originally a normal child. And such trauma should be avoided by a complete ban on any adoption of children by homosexuals.

                        Some people have strange behaviors, attracted to something that is not accepted in society. But normally it is hiding and not put on display. Therefore, if you become a homosexual then sit quietly, do not rock the boat.
                      2. Beck
                        0
                        15 December 2012 11: 42
                        Quote: Beck
                        Homosexuality is a perversion of a physiological and mental nature.


                        Interesting, very interesting. My top comment is minus three. Minusanuli silently. And why not open up, but not betray your disagreement with your arguments.

                        Waiting for an answer is of course unlikely. But having three minuses for condemning homosexuality on a military-patriotic site is something.

                        Or is it personal detractors who do not care what to minus. If only Beck.
                      3. Konrad
                        -2
                        13 December 2012 19: 34
                        Quote: Homer
                        And what about the buggers? What is your vision?

                        As in a joke. Question: "How do you feel about homosexuals?"
                        Answer: "I do not belong to them!"
                2. 0
                  13 December 2012 22: 46
                  Quote: Volodin
                  some are trying to solve their financial problems at the expense of orphans, including literally "selling" orphans abroad. Believe me, these are not empty words

                  Comrade Volodin, you expressed my attitude to this serious problem! Thank you!
                3. 0
                  14 December 2012 00: 06
                  That's it. I completely agree.
              2. 0
                14 December 2012 00: 04
                not true. adoption is complicated for their citizens, but for foreigners, if they give it to their paw, they walk in a store. Not all over Russia, but there are all the same.
          5. +2
            13 December 2012 23: 58
            1. I think it would be correct to call the response list in the name of an adult and not a child. this is somewhat unethical 2.we scared the hedgehog with his bare ass with these retaliatory measures.
          6. aviator46
            -3
            14 December 2012 17: 03
            It’s better to look in the mirror -
            About 100 thousand children in Russia have been abused by adults over the past year, we lose about 2 thousand every year, said the children's ombudsman Pavel Astakhov.
            1. 0
              25 December 2012 03: 19
              Before you listen, and even more so, refer to Mr. Astakhov, you should find out what he means by violence. You will be surprised. Astakhov is the main lobbyist for suppliers of children abroad. For him, the noose on the lamppost has been crying for several years.
        2. YARY
          +3
          13 December 2012 10: 45
          NOW AND WE DECLARED THE WAR!
          RIA Novosti | 08:59:42

          A group of militants who abducted Ukrainian journalist Ankhar Kochnev in Syria in October are threatened with attacks on diplomatic missions of Ukraine and Russia, as well as with reprisals against citizens of these countries.
          "The Ukrainian embassy, ​​the Russian embassy, ​​the citizens of these countries, as well as the Iranians will henceforth be the prey and target for all our forces. We urge not to release either a Ukrainian, or a Russian or an Iranian alive from Syria. We say this in response to the statement of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry on spy from Ukraine Ankhar Kochneva, who carried weapons and was a translator for Russian officers, "the militants said in a statement. On Tuesday, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry called on Damascus to act more actively to release Kochneva and bring those responsible to justice.

          Well? What will power be robbing now?
          1. YARY
            +2
            13 December 2012 10: 58
            SyShyA has such a term- "Direct and obvious threat"is a fact by which immediate military action is taken immediately and without advice from the Senate.
            So here-we are directly and clearly threatened with the extermination of our citizens in Syria!
            1. 0
              13 December 2012 12: 11
              Quote: Ardent
              So, we are directly and clearly threatened with the extermination of our citizens in Syria!

              Ardent, yesterday I was interested in how many? 30.000 citizens of the Russian Federation.
          2. wax
            0
            13 December 2012 14: 34
            A good reason to send special forces to protect the embassy and our institutions. No one will pick against.
            1. mda
              mda
              0
              13 December 2012 15: 41
              Quote: Wax

              A good reason to send special forces to protect the embassy and our institutions. No one will pick against.

              There already our military specialists 100000 thousand can be added http://netvoe.ru/polit/geopoliticheskie-shaxmaty-putina-s-vashingtonom-v-sirii-i
              -evrazii /
      2. +5
        13 December 2012 09: 20
        Quote: Ardent

        I want to include P. Obama B. Obama in this list.

        Hi Andrey, Obama cannot be the winner of the "peace" award. hi
        1. +8
          13 December 2012 09: 35
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          the "peace" prize.


          hi guys. Hitler was also a man of the year, so what? return the prize - to develop a neher brewing company.
          1. +3
            13 December 2012 09: 42
            Quote: vorobey
            Hitler was also a man of the year, so what?

            Firework Father , he already put down the prize for beer, so he’ll have to take it by force hi
          2. +6
            13 December 2012 09: 48
            Quote: vorobey
            hitler was also a man of the year


            According to the version of the American Time magazine again, 1938, and for the sake of objectivity ........ the article contains such words

            700 German Jews are physically tortured, their homes and property are looted, they are even deprived of a chance of survival, expelled from the streets. Now they are held "for ransom" - the eternal robbery trick. But not only Jews suffer. Unshakable, excellent specialists, Jews and pagans, liberals and conservatives, Catholics and Protestants who could no longer resist the Nazis left Germany. On the cover of TIME, Hitler, as an organist performing the hate hymn in a desecrated cathedral, while victims hang from the wheel of St. Catherine under Nazi supervision, is painted by Baron Rudolf Karl von Ripper, a Catholic who believes Germany is intolerable. Meanwhile, Germany has turned into a country of standard people walking with a goose step to Hitler’s pipe, where ten-year-old boys learn to throw hand grenades and women are seen as reproduction tools.
            1. +3
              13 December 2012 10: 30
              Quote: Vadivak
              and for the sake of objectivity ........


              Vadim hello. Thanks for the addition, it is just the way. if you cross off the words Nazism, Germany, the Jews read what happens and the bottom line is US global politics.
        2. YARY
          +3
          13 December 2012 09: 35
          With a compliment, Alexander!
          Well, if the blazer, then hi blasts! The prize is this private (de jure)!
          Yes US the whole RATH and their current horde!
          1. +3
            13 December 2012 09: 43
            Quote: Ardent
            Well, if the blazer, then hi


            Hi Andrey, well, I’m probably out of envy. But you're right, US.
            1. +4
              13 December 2012 10: 08
              winked You are all angry .... They want to help us like that ... In 90, I came across this when the marmons came ... I was very surprised that we have a Christian faith and an older Masonic ... And the American lump dirt in our direction we responded with a normal amount of a bunch of manure ... And this is an adequate answer ... laughing
              1. +2
                13 December 2012 10: 18
                Quote: domokl
                And this is an adequate answer


                Good day Alexander. simple example. If you adequately respond to rudeness, it is possible that knowing the reaction of rudeness will repeat itself again. But if inadequate. with triple effort, it’s already rude and thoughtful.
                Over in Libya, only one American peasant was flunked, and there they clapped a squadron and 500 armed patties dreaming of US citizenship. And the mustache immediately subsided.
        3. +1
          13 December 2012 12: 14
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Obama is not allowed he is the winner of the Peace Prize

          EUROPE also insured
        4. Blat
          -1
          13 December 2012 17: 39
          Obama, as I suspect, is sobbing from this perspective))))))))))))))))
      3. +8
        13 December 2012 09: 31
        Quote: Ardent
        ringleader of a criminal terrorist community


        If in 1980 there were 500 thousand prisoners in US prisons, then by 2001 there were already more than 2 million prisoners plus 4.5 million probationers. More than half sit for particularly serious crimes.
        Prisons began to be actively commercialized, prison labor was economically viable. Furthermore, prisons themselves are transferred to private hands. The number of prisoners in private prisons increased from 1992 to 2002 by 7 times.
        If earlier prisoners were used mainly in construction and other physical work, now corporations give prisons any orders. Naturally, people in prisons are not paid salaries.

        Prisoners sew fashionable clothes for designer Eddie Bauer; without leaving the prison, they are engaged in telemarketing for the AT&T telephone company and accept airline ticket orders for TWA. Prisoners package Microsoft software and recycle parts for Dell computers.
        The prison boom literally swept America at the turn of the century. On the eve of the third millennium, the self-proclaimed "bastion of world democracy" based in the United States is spending billions of dollars building new prisons. The latter grow in all states like mushrooms after rain. Against this background, government spending on crime prevention and rehabilitation of convicts looks very meager.

        So much for the Gulag Archipelago, it’s a pity the author didn’t live, he would have looked
        1. +4
          13 December 2012 09: 45
          Quote: Vadivak
          Prisoners sew fashionable clothes for designer Eddie Bauer; without leaving the prison, they are engaged in telemarketing for the AT&T telephone company and accept airline ticket orders for TWA. Prisoners package Microsoft software and recycle Dell computer parts

          Quote: Vadivak
          Naturally, people in prisons are not paid salaries.

          Hi Vadim, but here he is a way out of the US crisis, feed and don’t pay. Slave power is almost completely free, millions of dollars in profit laughing
          1. +3
            13 December 2012 09: 52
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, here he is a way out of the US crisis,


            Sasha, ask the Negro for the right to an idea, get rich smile
            1. +3
              13 December 2012 10: 21
              Quote: Vadivak
              get rich

              I'm already intrigued laughing Let's in PM more specifically about getting rich, if things go, you can count on four three % wink
      4. +2
        13 December 2012 10: 05
        Quote: Ardent
        I want to include P. Obama B. Obama in this list.
        Hi Andrey! Well, I didn’t know that you were such a lover of the American president ... Yes, let him come to us ... We are accustomed to 30-40 degree frosts, but he ... laughing
        1. +2
          13 December 2012 10: 19
          Quote: domokl
          .We are then accustomed to 30-40 degree frosts, and he ...

          It’s not a matter of frost, you have dumb bananas laughing
          1. +4
            13 December 2012 14: 40
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s not in the cold, you have a dumb banana laughing

            It would be interesting to look at a sad monkey with a carrot and in a padded jacket wassat
          2. +2
            13 December 2012 17: 25
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s not in the cold, you have a dumb banana laughing

            Well, bananas are everywhere now, like dirt and even cheaper kortopli.
        2. +1
          13 December 2012 10: 19
          Quote: domokl
          We are then accustomed to 30-40 degree frosts, and he ...


          judging by beer no more than 11.
        3. YARY
          +3
          13 December 2012 10: 21
          High jumps to the South Coast ......., the Barents Sea! laughing
      5. saper
        +1
        13 December 2012 21: 40
        Quote: Ardent

        I want to include P. Obama B. Obama in this list.
        Since he is the leader of a criminal terrorist community called Se She A,

        yeah and close the book to him laughing
    3. Skiff
      +3
      13 December 2012 10: 18
      The answer to Magnitsky’s law is simply ridiculous and dull trolling in the face of our government. What kind of a tooth for a tooth are you talking about? This anti-law is made for ordinary people to take pride in their own significance. in the west, they began to tremble in panic, they ran around, started cackling, and in general it was disgusting and sad to watch this theater of absurdity.
      1. Beck
        -4
        13 December 2012 10: 36
        All the hype in the Duma is an attempt by the power structures to obscure the propaganda about the brains of the people about the offended image of Russia. All this hype is the concern of bureaucratic thieves for stolen money already invested in US banks and the concern for the future stealing of stolen money from Russia.
        1. +5
          13 December 2012 10: 46
          Beck,

          You are a gray-haired commentator from Kazakhstan - what is it to you?

          Wound up? And why did I just go about your image?

          Sorry sincerely. This is just for clarity.
          They pay too much attention to our country so I think the answer was needed. but much trickier and more painful.
          1. Beck
            +5
            13 December 2012 11: 14
            Quote: vorobey
            You are a gray-haired commentator from Kazakhstan - what is it to you?


            Yeah. So it is said that it’s like we are not building a single Eurasian Union? So it is said that we don’t seem to want to jointly confront the challenges of our common interests in our time? It is said that we don’t seem to create a single air defense?

            Here we have some kind of bureaucrat stealing money allocated by Kazakhstan and Russia for the combined air defense. Everyone will be outraged. And I’ll tell the indignant Russians - And what do you get from this? Our Kazakh, after all, has stolen money, rest. We have a tragedy, border guards died, the whole site was worried, commented. To me, what should have been said - do not fool you Russians into this matter.

            If we don’t worry, joyfully, for each other’s successes and sadly for failures, then it’s not a fig to build a new Union. Who will be better off in Kazakhstan, Russia? Global rivals will be better.

            And on account of the epaulette, I'm not worried. Revising the famous proverb of the ancient Greeks - Epaulets virtual, but the truth is more expensive. Or do you judge the mind, education, erudition, horizons, moral, moral attitudes only by epaulettes. Well, create your own circle of marshals and generals and praise yourself to the generalissimo. Beauty will be. All are generalsimuses, and if all, then there’s no difference, like all ordinary and complete Approvers. Opinions on any topic will be word for word. Beauty and boredom will be.
            1. +1
              13 December 2012 11: 56
              Quote: Beck
              propaganda about the offended image of Russia brains of the people

              Quote: vorobey
              Sorry sincerely. This is just for illustration. They pay too much attention to our country so I think the answer was needed. but much trickier and more painful.


              Bek, I apologized. I apologize again. He said for clarity.

              Image seems to be a trifle, and sometimes it hurts.
              1. Beck
                +2
                13 December 2012 12: 55
                Quote: vorobey
                Bek, I apologized. I apologize again. He said for clarity.


                Accepted. These are all the features of communication on the site. Sometimes some kind of misunderstanding comes out. But, what is good on the site is the inability to interrupt the interlocutor at a glance.
                1. +6
                  13 December 2012 13: 29
                  Quote: Beck
                  the inability to interrupt the interlocutor at a glance


                  It's right.
            2. Konrad
              +3
              14 December 2012 19: 54
              [quote = Beck] your circle of marshals and generals and praise yourself to the generalissimo. Beauty will be.
              Very accurately said! ++++++
        2. Paratov
          +6
          13 December 2012 12: 33
          Quote: Beck
          All this hype is the concern of bureaucratic thieves for stolen money already invested in US banks and the concern for the future stealing of stolen money from Russia

          According to your paradigm, Paul London, our goat-stealers, should fall under the action of this list! Will get? Of course - horseradish! And why? right! because obedient.
          So this list is not directed against thieves and embezzlers, but against the naughty! By the way, we almost all fit him.
          1. Beck
            -3
            13 December 2012 13: 15
            Quote: Paratov
            According to your paradigm, Paul London, our goat-stealers, should fall under the action of this list! Will get? Of course - horseradish!


            Dear, here is a slightly different calico. Well, in my opinion.

            The first question is whether Russia has independent justice (And in Kazakhstan, too). Judging by the fact that the fools dancing in the temple were immediately put in isolation, under investigation, and Vasilyeva who stole billions, is under house arrest - No. Judging by the fact that Serdyukov walks in witnesses - No. Judging by corruption - No. Judging by the selection of business - No.

            That is why London, and other Western countries, do not even want to give criminals to Russian justice. Because the basic law of jurisprudence states that the defendant, no matter what terrible act he committed, must be ensured fair justice. But there is no fair, independent court in Russia.

            That is why they do not give away Berezovsky and those who are not, as they are not sure that they will be treated fairly, without a bias of political, personal, revengeful moments. Exactly on this basis, Vienna does not give back to Astana the finished criminal Rakhat Aliyev.

            What naughty? Thieves, or what? What thieves in the Kremlin are divided into obedient and naughty?

            Here on the fig and the tremendous fig I and you need the US State Department, its visa and customs services. If I didn’t steal millions, did not mock at prisoners in prisons, bringing them to death, no one needs me except my family and friends. And the US customs will let me through at least to the south - look at the cacti, at least freeze eggs in Alaska.
            1. Nose
              +8
              13 December 2012 13: 47
              Quote: Beck
              If I didn’t steal millions, did not mock at prisoners in prisons, bringing them to death, no one needs me except my family and friends. And the US customs will let me through

              Do you really believe that it is these problems that concern them? ..
              Look at the Baltic states. What fair courts are there! .. recourse
              1. Beck
                -4
                13 December 2012 14: 10
                Quote: Nose
                Look at the Baltic states. What fair courts are there!


                You somehow smoothly lead the ship off course. From the media, I see that the United States does not want to launder stolen money in its banks and let potential criminals into its country.

                And the courts of the Baltic states? So the conversation went, in the subject, not about them. In general, we can talk about the Baltic states only after discussing the activities of the Guinea-Bissau courts.

                Sorry for some freedom.
                1. Homer
                  +5
                  13 December 2012 16: 18
                  Quote: Beck
                  The United States does not want to launder stolen money in its banks and let potential criminals into its country.

                  And who is Berezovsky? Fluffy bunny? .. request
                  1. Beck
                    -4
                    13 December 2012 16: 56
                    Quote: Homer
                    And who is Berezovsky? Fluffy bunny?


                    I answered the similar above.
                2. +3
                  13 December 2012 18: 59
                  Quote: Beck
                  .... According to the media, I see that the United States does not want to launder stolen money in its banks and let potential criminals into its country. ....

                  Yes, they do not like competitors.
            2. +1
              14 December 2012 06: 23
              Why such a blind faith in the justice of the court in the us and england? and WTO that they are directly experiencing as if no one in Russia illegally offended a birch?
              1. Beck
                -1
                14 December 2012 11: 01
                Quote: bddrus
                Why such a blind faith in the justice of the court in the us and england? and WTO that they are directly experiencing as if no one in Russia illegally offended a birch?


                The courts of the West do not have much to do with birches in Russia. They protect their countries from thieves. They do not want to let them in. And they don’t want thieves to steal money from their banks. That's all.
                1. +2
                  14 December 2012 19: 27
                  I mean, birch in your opinion is also a decent person? and borodin? it’s not even funny anymore - they just want the money to lie only in their banks
                  1. Beck
                    -1
                    14 December 2012 19: 57
                    Quote: bddrus
                    I mean, birch in your opinion is also a decent person? and borodin?


                    These words of yours are exactly your thoughts that you somehow want to attribute to me. Read my comments. Where I argued that Berezovskie, Borodino decent people. Nowhere.

                    And you somehow take the topic aside. We are talking about US banks, and not banks of Berezovsky and Borodino. In addition, they do not have banks.

                    Excuse me. Do not hang on me your assumptions impersonating the truth.
              2. Konrad
                0
                14 December 2012 20: 27
                Quote: bddrus

                Why such a blind faith in the justice of the court in the us and england?

                The island of Spetses, which hosted the wedding of Prince Nikolaos, is an architectural monument, so the authorities especially carefully monitor the preservation of its landscape. The regional administration of the city of Piraeus fined the landowner for the unauthorized construction of a tribune with a canopy. The fine is 296 thousand euros.
                Hildesheim Land Court sentenced March 9, 2010 55-year-old Prince of Hanover Ernst Augustus, who is the spouse of the Princess of Monaco Carolina, to a fine of 200 thousand euros, finding him guilty of assault and inflicting light bodily harm.
                Tallinn Mayor Edgar Savisaar in September 2011 was stopped by police for speeding. Savisaar rode at a speed of 137 mph instead of the set 90 mph. According to Estonian laws, a fine of 40 euros, an arrest or deprivation of rights for a period of 800 year, are facing a fine of more than 1 mph. The mayor in an official statement fully admitted his guilt and said that "such actions have no justification."
                Prince Laurent of Belgium, the youngest son of King Albert II, lost his driver's license for speeding while driving a car; Prince violated traffic rules in Brussels, where he drove at a speed of 82 kilometers per hour in a section with a limited speed regime in 50 kilometers.
                Can you imagine something like this in Russia?
    4. 0
      13 December 2012 17: 47
      Quote: Bulls.
      The answer to this American dirty trick should not be proportionately large.
      "Tooth, for a tooth" - will not work.

      I do not understand why the protection of the rights of Russian children and Dima Yakovlev (even posthumously) arises only as retaliatory measure? !! Damn, this does not climb into any gates !!!

      Where are these fucking human rights defenders ?! Humanists and generous compassionate sufferers of the oppressed and destitute? !! Here is a piece of REAL work, REAL protection of the rights of people is required - the right to life!

      These poor children were not needed by their homeland and their nation, we were not able to provide them with a future - this is already shitty. The state has decided to give them to strangers, strangers even in spirit - perhaps strangers will be better and will be able to provide them with a future. So be it, although it’s also bad ...

      But, damn it, to give small defenseless people into the hands of perverts and sadists, for whom bullying of our children is a pleasure - I have no words what to call it ...

      Children are the best we have. They are completely defenseless ... How can this be allowed, how can such acts be left unpunished? cook the child alive in a locked car !!! and no one to this freak broke the ridge, shot him like a dog? !! What kind of people are we after that, what do we remember about Dima Yakovlev only as a response to actions infringing on senior officials ?!

      I believe that the officials who allowed the adoption that led to similar results should be punished here with us. So badly checked, did not reveal a sadist. Or they revealed it, but they took the bribe and shut up ... They sold it.
      A service obliged to control the fate of adopted children should be held accountable: they overlooked, did not reveal ...
      The state is obliged to raise this issue at the highest level and initiate its consideration in an American court of supreme competence in order to achieve condemnation in all cases of such treatment of adopted Russian children. The inevitability of punishment for the ruined fates of our children among American psychopaths should not cause any doubt.
      And in my opinion, it is worthwhile to generally review the legislation on adoption. Fuck such an adoption is necessary ?! The country has a demographic problem, and then children are being distributed left and right for torture and torture! Better, it seems to me in my own country; even homeless than such a death ...

      It is necessary to liquidate the adoption and control services altogether, and to send the freed money and money that you no longer have to spend in international courts to orphanages - there will be more sense!
    5. Konrad
      +2
      13 December 2012 19: 28
      Quote: Bulls.
      The answer to this American dirty trick should not be proportionately large.

      I do not understand how the "Magnitsky List" relates to us, in particular, those on this site. Do you have accounts in American banks? Real estate or business in the USA? Maybe involved in the death of Magnitsky? I think no! Where does all the hype come from? Yes, from those who have it all. From those who are justly offered on this site to be tried, imprisoned, hanged. It is, of course, your business - to be indignant, to stigmatize the presumptuous, etc. etc. but just do not have hysterics for offended bureaucrats, first it is better to think.
    6. 0
      13 December 2012 20: 22
      I never said that, but THANKS TO AMER FOR "MAGNITSKY".
      If I understood correctly, some of our officials will not be able not only to leave for SSSYYA, but also to collect their loot. So +++++++++++ !!!! fellow
      1. 0
        14 December 2012 06: 24
        strange, but not at all obvious what you said
    7. 0
      15 December 2012 13: 43
      Although I put a plus, but all the acts adopted by our Duma, for the Americans, nevermind. Show me at least one Americanos official who has accounts in Russian banks or real estate. You will not find it! But our officials there are a lot of things: deposits and real estate. So, in a way, retaliatory measures will not cause the same hysteria in America as ours. They just won't care. They would be more excited if Russia withdrew from joint projects, where we are leading and where Americans are zero without us. and this is shooting from cannons at mosquitoes.
  2. sv-sakh
    +6
    13 December 2012 08: 32
    We need a Guantanamo list and a list of Dima and a list of Bout and many, many more lists :)
    1. +2
      13 December 2012 09: 04
      Quote: sv-sakh
      We need a Guantanamo list and a list of Dima and a list of Bout and many, many more lists :)
      Carefully read the draft of our resolution ... Everything is there ... Without pettiness ...
      1. sv-sakh
        +4
        13 December 2012 09: 22
        Yes, I read already a thousand of these lists on the network.
        All like hens cackle over him and compete in a storm of fantasy, but something is not believed that our liberal lysozades will accept at least something distant.
        For 25 years they have never responded to these idiots for a single attack .. Everything just something there mumble quietly under his breath that we are not to blame.
  3. +4
    13 December 2012 08: 45
    quote-After the creation and adoption of the list, many both abroad and in our country, said: and because of which, in fact, raise the thunder. After all, THEY did not accept the list with respect to us and ordinary Russians, but to completely different people. Like, we were not touched - and okay ... The position is certainly interesting, but somehow too adaptive.

    1. I want to express my thought very clearly if ordinary citizens reason like this, then this is a deep delusion. The matter is not in Petrov or Ivanov. This is the so-called law "Magnitsky's list" hits primarily on the prestige and interests (image) of the country.
    2. Of course, with regard to the United States, an asymmetric law must also be adopted.
    3. And finally the last, in my opinion, it is necessary to bring the matter to its logical end and put an end to this matter. Why the heads of law enforcement agencies "pull rubber" I still do not understand.
    1. +4
      13 December 2012 09: 26
      Apollo

      Quote: Apollon
      After all, THEY did not accept the list regarding you and me - ordinary Russians

      I think about the same. An unpleasant feeling, yes, there is, but no more ...


      Quote: Apollon
      This so-called "Magnitsky list" law affects primarily the prestige and interests (image) of the country.

      HITS BEFORE EVERYTHING FOR THE INTERESTS OF CHINUSH And other BAD,who sleeps and sees himself THERE, with a bunch of bills and real estate.
      It won't affect me for sure. I have no envy of these "ELITES", I just laughing tongue good got in, "bespectacled" ...

      And then, if our Duma thinkers, rulers used to see injustice to their fellow citizens - WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR ?! Just see? It’s funny.
      Again to ordinary people, heads are clogged with garbage.
      And why make such a noise? The Foreign Ministry made a decision and that’s it. In the newspaper, people, with this news, raised a sense of self-esteem and that’s all. Why shout something like a cut: we are not slaves, we are not slaves ...

      I have already written more than once, we devote so much attention to the United States as Americans do not devote to their country. They don’t pay ours, THERE and a hundredth of this interest.
      And this is not a substitute for the Jackson-Vanik amendment ... The content is completely different. The first was aimed at the STATE, the second at people. Although, people and officials are not always the same ...
      And by and large, it was NOT FUCK atу WTO and climb ...

      And do not hide behind the COUNTRY to protect the interests of far from the best representatives of OFFICIALS.
      1. 0
        14 December 2012 06: 28
        yes who said that this law HITS BEFORE EVERYTHING FOR THE INTERESTS OF CHINUSH??? why do you believe in the decency of amers ??? how do you know against whom they will use it? and will they apply at all?
    2. Brother Sarych
      +2
      13 December 2012 09: 42
      If the country's image is tantamount to the interests of thieves, then this is very sad ...
      1. Beck
        -2
        13 December 2012 09: 59
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        If the country's image is tantamount to the interests of thieves, then this is very sad


        Besides that, sad is disgusting. Image, the status of Russia to cover their robbery of Russia.
        1. +1
          13 December 2012 10: 14
          Quote: Beck
          Besides that, sad is disgusting. Image, the status of Russia to cover their robbery of Russia.
          You guys are interesting ... Caring people like that ... I’m sitting all drowned in Siberian wilderness, I think, “On what grounds can I call a man a thief? Am I God or a judge? But the law says that no one can call a man a criminal without relevant court decision ...
          You really remind me of American congressmen, it’s always fashionable to teach others .. Only Russians have a saying about a log in the eye ...
          1. Brother Sarych
            +3
            13 December 2012 10: 33
            Well, do not call it - consider that people have mansions and apartments in the states of Europe, thirteen-room apartments in the center of Moscow and decorations on millions of green have accumulated overwork ...
            Good luck in the Siberian wilderness and think that everything around is fine, only some people stir up the water and call honest people thieves ...
            1. Beck
              -2
              13 December 2012 10: 45
              Sarychu.

              I wanted to answer Domocles, but you got ahead.
            2. 0
              14 December 2012 06: 34
              Did he say that he thinks everything is all right around? Or maybe someone who is included in your favorite Magnitsky list has mansions in the states of Europe? or Vasilyeva with a "thirteen-room" apartment (you are talking about her) is included in this list?
          2. +2
            13 December 2012 10: 39
            hi domokl

            Quote: domokl
            But the law says that no one can call a person a criminal without an appropriate court decision ...


            Quote: domokl
            You really remind me of American congressmen, it’s always fashionable to teach others ..


            No offense.
            After the first sentence, you remind Medvedev. In relation to Serdyukov, at a meeting with reporters, he said the same thing - about the LAW.

            And in relation to the second phrase - I do not teach, only the opinion of the ant ... hi
          3. Hon
            +3
            13 December 2012 10: 48
            Quote: domokl
            on what basis can I call a person a thief?

            Well, for example, when the investigator, official, deputy. Real estate, expenses, bills are clearly incommensurable with the income received. At the same time, he did not work in business for a day. So the deputy Valuev can afford a watch for a million dollars since he was the world champion and received good money, no questions arise. But when at the Moscow official Ressin V.I. not a day working anywhere except for the civil service, the bolt for a million American rubles, I can say without a court sentence that he is a thief!
            1. 0
              14 December 2012 06: 35
              Is Resin already on Magnitsky’s list? maybe Luzhkov? or Borodin with Berezovsky?
        2. Brother Sarych
          +2
          13 December 2012 10: 29
          Well, here we are raking down the minuses today, well, okay - happiness is not in the pros and cons ...
    3. Konrad
      0
      13 December 2012 22: 04
      Quote: Apollon
      This so-called "Magnitsky list" law affects primarily the prestige and interests (image) of the country.

      First of all, he strikes the pocket and prestige of a crook who hides stolen in our country behind a hill, we have with you!
      1. -3
        14 December 2012 06: 38
        I would be glad, BUT for today show whose pocket he hit? After all, there is a specific list of people - on whose pockets did this law hit?
        in my opinion, except for the shit splashed towards Russia, this law does not carry any load!
        1. +1
          14 December 2012 09: 56
          Well, there is a list. There are no ordinary citizens there.
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B3%D
          0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE#.D0.A1.D0.BF.D0.B8.D1.81.D0.BE.D0
          .BA
          1. -1
            14 December 2012 10: 24
            ??? I am writing to you that "there is a list of specific people", what is the meaning of your repetition? if you have read this list - then answer my question - asked above - on whose pocket did this law hit? I mean, which of them has accounts, real estate in the United States? I am sure that most of them have never been in America. therefore, my opinion is that the effectiveness of this law for these people is as zero as that of our list, the whole reckoning is only on the effect,
  4. Vanek
    0
    13 December 2012 08: 46
    List of the name of Dima Yakovlev!

    And no other names needed!
  5. +2
    13 December 2012 08: 46
    Quote: sv-sakh
    We need a Guantanamo list and a list of Dima and a list of Bout and many, many more lists :)

    It’s easy to combine and the main thing is that it works, otherwise, as always, they will scratch their tongues and not do anything
  6. boris.radevitch
    +2
    13 December 2012 08: 51
    Dima Yakovlev forward we will show Uncle Sam where Mom’s winter cousin! am
  7. ADEQUATE
    0
    13 December 2012 08: 52
    That's wonderful, very happy !!! good
    1. Homer
      +2
      13 December 2012 16: 19
      Quote: ADEQUATE
      That's wonderful, very happy !!

      What? ..
      Or are you kidding in your own way? .. wassat
  8. +1
    13 December 2012 08: 58
    We can work one step ahead! Well, why are we just making excuses. It’s time to pour mud on amers, let them disentangle, justify, unsubscribe. And turn part of the truth upside down.
    And to expand the list of Dima Yakovlev to the entire contingent of the United States. After all, almost everyone is involved in something there. Their children, parents, relatives.
  9. +5
    13 December 2012 08: 58
    Frankly, the ordinary population does not care about this law. But, notice how our deputies moved. In the Baltic countries they did not react to the nationalism of the Russian population as they did here, to the law by which the property of any Russian official in the USA can be arrested. Pale yellow gentlemen, very pale.
    1. +1
      13 December 2012 09: 25
      Quote: Karavan
      But, notice how our deputies moved. In the Baltic countries they did not react to the nationalism of the Russian population as they did here, to the law by which the property of any Russian official in the USA can be arrested.

      Well, you yourself will compare the role in the world politics and economy of the Baltic States and the USA, and here they stir. There is a confrontation between Russia and the USA.
      Quote: Karavan
      to a law under which property of any Russian official in the United States can be seized.

      Not only an official, anyone can get on this list, this is a pretext for the United States to advance its interests.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +1
        13 December 2012 09: 45
        Bet you won’t get on this list? Even Volodin will not fall with a great desire ...
        Do you have a lot of property in the USA? Have your friends? Do friends of your friends? Have you ever applied for a visa in the USA?
        1. +1
          13 December 2012 12: 51
          Once again I notice the uneven breathing of the reader towards the modest person of the author of the material ... Yes: without the word "Volodin" in B-a Sarych and no commentary - some kind of mania (or phobia). Apparently, some unknown wounds from childhood associated with the name Volodin did not heal with a single visitor of our site ... winked .
          1. +3
            13 December 2012 13: 31
            Brother Sarych,
            Volodin,

            the peasants had some fun. And let's fight who is worthy and who is not to be listed. For example, I still have not paid the transport tax for 12 years.
            1. Cavas
              +8
              13 December 2012 13: 42
              Quote: vorobey
              For example, I still have not paid the transport tax for 12 years.

              Aya I am yay, how bad! laughing
              You are not a law-abiding citizen, Alexander! wassat


              1. +4
                13 December 2012 13: 54
                old mat. I welcome you.

                As the aglitsky gentlemen say, a lady with a cart, an Alright mare.

                Ksenia Sobchak has recently been running her State Department-3 program on the independent Dozhd TV channel. And for a month with a little already starred on this channel in several commercials. So, among the goods that Ksenia represents, there was a hair mask and balm. But the biggest surprise was the advertisement of horse hair shampoo.

                “It is thanks to this shampoo, and not to something else, that many stars have ascended to the sky today,” Ksyusha claims.

                By the way, a socialite not without irony speaks about the presented product.

                “We are all a little horses,” Ksenia concludes the video, winking at the camera.
                1. Cavas
                  +1
                  13 December 2012 14: 03
                  Quote: vorobey

                  old mat. I welcome you.

                  Hi Sasha! hi
                  How shallow?
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Ksenia Sobchak has recently been running her State Department-3 program on the independent Dozhd TV channel.

                  Sometimes I look, she’s smart or she’s written a script like this, but she couldn’t eat Mamontov, he did them all there, including Romanov, who was accused of lying about special services.

                  Quote: vorobey
                  “We are all a little horses,” Ksenia concludes the video, winking at the camera.

                  If she's about herself, then it's hard to argue with her! wassat
                  1. Homer
                    +3
                    13 December 2012 16: 24
                    Quote: Cavas
                    “We are all a little horses,” Ksenia concludes the video, winking at the camera.
                    If she's about herself, then it's hard to argue with her

                    A stallion would be good for her !!! To glands !!! wassat
                  2. 0
                    14 December 2012 06: 43
                    "I couldn't eat Mamontova, he got them all there" - what are you talking about? where can i look? I remember there was a bickering between Solovyov and Sobchak, somewhere even Solovyov went too far "the stick of decency", but I understand him perfectly))
              2. Homer
                +2
                13 December 2012 16: 22
                Cavas,
                About 0,5 horsepower strongly disagree!
                In ksyushadi they are much more!
                Anyway, Ksyusha should be counted in megatons! drinks
              3. 0
                14 December 2012 06: 41
                Why 0,5 - quite a full-fledged mare!))
      2. +2
        13 December 2012 09: 58
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Not only an official, anyone can get on this list,

        I am sure that if 90% of all Russian citizens are added to this list, then they, these Russian citizens, will not lose anything. They will neither be warm nor cold from this. The list touches upon the interests of exclusively private individuals, but the interests of the state, I think, are being pulled by the ears. Too much ado about nothing. The problem isn't worth a damn. This list of Magnitsky is relevant as long as the media talk about him. Tomorrow they will stop talking - the day after tomorrow nobody will remember him at all.
        1. 0
          14 December 2012 06: 45
          a private person may not be allowed to enter the United States privately - not give a visa without explanation and EVERYTHING! - Why did they so violently and noisily adopt the law?
    2. 0
      14 December 2012 06: 40
      For the sake of justice - in these cases, the deputies and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should "move", certainly not at a meeting of the HOA they develop a "reaction"
  10. Mavsik
    +6
    13 December 2012 09: 01
    That is, if you had not accepted Magnitsky’s list, nobody would have remembered about Dima Yakovlev (and the rest of the murdered children, and not only). It is a lycimer. Such laws had to be adopted without any Magnitsky lists!
    1. +3
      13 December 2012 09: 27
      Quote: Mavsik
      It is a lycimer.

      This is not hypocrisy, we are not going to aggravate, unlike the United States, only all our attempts to improve relations and reduce tensions come up against the wall of lobbyists who sponsor Congress and everyone else.
    2. wax
      0
      13 December 2012 14: 40
      We, nevertheless, remain a cultural nation, and it is not for us to open the Pandorra's box. But if you open it, then you need to do something about it. Essno.
  11. Vasily79
    +1
    13 December 2012 09: 03
    First of all, you need to include American shit importers on the Russian market in this list so they themselves will pull their senate
    1. Konrad
      0
      14 December 2012 20: 45
      Quote: Vasily79

      First of all, you need to include American shit importers on the Russian market in this list

      And who is selling this "shit" in Russia, Americans? It seems to me that our compatriots are buying it in order to resell it here and have a good profit. Even more "shit" is being brought from China, much more. Following your logic, the gender of China should also be included in the list.
  12. +2
    13 December 2012 09: 12
    Comedians damn it, you have to obey dad and hammer a bolt
  13. 0
    13 December 2012 09: 14
    Such mirror steps should always be (and should always be). What prevented the intelligence services in finding a certain amer who snouted in fluff and feathers and put him in such a Kolyma in the Bout case, so that limb cramps would already begin to mention this place among lawyers ... And then they would have a conversation with them that , where and when. Or for our powers that be, such actions seem too bold ?! request
    1. Brother Sarych
      +1
      13 December 2012 09: 47
      Well, find - you think that you were not looking? Not found, then ...
  14. +7
    13 December 2012 09: 17
    About 650 thousand orphans and children left without parental care were registered in Russia at the beginning of 2012, of which more than 80% are orphans with living parents, Pavel Astakhov, presidential ombudsman for the president of the Russian Federation, said at a meeting of the expert council on Wednesday.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20120516/650551504.html#ixzz2EuEi9AdO

    Is this how more than 500 thousand of our women are also included in this list from the country? Would be ashamed of something .....

    Currently, in the United States, as well as in other developed countries, there are no orphanages for permanent residence of children. There are temporary shelters for children until the child is placed in a foster family (often this is not about adoption, but about keeping the child in the family, which is paid compensation). In 2010, 408 thousand children were in the US foster system. 48% of them (194 thousand children) lived with foster parents-unrelated, 26% (103 thousand) - in foster families of relatives, 6% (25 thousand) - in group houses, 9% (37 thousand) - in institutions. [1] 50-60% of children from the foster system return to their parents. [2] About 100 thousand children from the foster system are awaiting adoption. [3] During the year, approximately 50 thousand children are adopted from foster, in half the cases they are adopted by foster parents. Adoption from the foster system is the lowest cost or completely free [4]
    This is information from Wiki, feel the difference ...

    According to the Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights, Pavel Astakhov, at the time of 2010 in the United States since the beginning of the 1990s, 19 children adopted in Russia had died at the hands of American adoptive parents (data from 2010. - Ed.). However, he noted that annually in Russia, on average, from nine to 15 children die in foster families - which is much more than in the United States. “If we compare the statistics on dead children in Russia and America, then, of course, the bloody bill is not in our favor,” Astakhov said.

    This is me to the fact that the topic for an asymmetric answer was found to be very bad, in this matter we are up to America as much as China to cancer ...
    They said about the mirror, and so we ourselves would have to look at this mirror more often ...
    1. Konrad
      0
      14 December 2012 20: 59
      Quote: nae76
      They said about the mirror, and so we ourselves would have to look at this mirror more often ...

      Today Zhirinovsky crucified before television cameras that the Americans took our children from orphanages exclusively for bullying. And how many sick children they took and cured, raised, educated - this is modestly silent. But on television, constantly appeals to help children with money for treatment (by the way I sent, I do not know how Wolfovich). Simple, not rich people help with their rubles, but the state has no money. I’m naive, I even wrote a proposal addressed to the president, to legitimize the confiscation of criminally acquired and to direct these funds to the development of medicine. The answer, of course, did not wait.
  15. _Igor_
    0
    13 December 2012 09: 22
    the main thing here is not to get carried away and not to start the second cold war
    retaliatory measures must be publicly justified, not only within the country but also in the world consciousness.
    1. +4
      13 December 2012 09: 25
      And the Cold War has been going on for a long time .... it began with the turn of Primakov’s plane over the Atlantic ....... we don’t want it .... they (HV) crave it!
    2. wax
      0
      13 December 2012 14: 56
      The war with Russia never stopped. Its forms are the most diverse - from hugs to aggression, are selected based on the possibilities and the expected effectiveness. Since the late 80s, the West has received the maximum result with minimal costs and is now trying not to miss any of what has been achieved, directing an information blow to the younger generation.
      http://www.russlav.ru/aktualno/raspad-sssr.html - как делался блицкриг в отношении СССР без "горячей" войны.
  16. 0
    13 December 2012 09: 24
    This is the only one. that the Duma has done useful and right over the past 10 years!
    1. Brother Sarych
      +4
      13 December 2012 09: 48
      But in my opinion this is stupid, however, the Duma is not used to doing stupid things ...
  17. Beck
    0
    13 December 2012 09: 29
    And why should the vast majority of Russians cry, resent and threaten the United States with their fist at the Magnitsky law?

    What does this law prohibit? The entry into the United States of Russian diplomatic persons? Entry to the US tourists from Russia? Entering the United States Vologodtsu or Ryazan? He does not prohibit anything. This law prohibits entry into the United States officials responsible for the death of a prisoner, that's all. Those who stole budget money and spread rot Magnitstky in prison, violating all laws of prisoners.

    What does this law prohibit Mr. Russia from placing their money in US banks? Please invest at least a dollar. This law prohibits burglar officials from hiding money stolen from Russia in US banks.

    And as it turned out, there are many potential thieves in officials and in elected bodies of Russia. How in the future, and their stolen money can be arrested in the United States, and they themselves can not be allowed to relax on the beaches of Miami. Here they are screaming about the violated status of Russia (by which they understand only their well-being) and raised propaganda, and invent their answers in the Duma. Essentially frail and funny.

    Magnitsky’s personality in the USA is sideways, they are debauched there by the fact that stolen money is laundered in the USA. If the Russian Themis had timely investigated the Magnitsky case and punished officials and thieves, then there would have been no Magnitsky law.

    And here, on the page, people are worrying how, well, they’re just tearing from their eyes that some Russian bureaucrat-thief is not allowed into the USA and the assets of thieves are frozen. Well, there’s nothing more to be done directly how to protect the bureaucratic thief who stole the money from the budget of Russia, among the citizens of Russia, among the children of Russia. Yes to jail them. But the power structures of Russia do not do this.

    Tomorrow, Serdyukov, Vasilyev, Smetanin can get on Magnitsky’s list, and that here on the site the howl will be raised in their defense. Like amer-bastards let them go to the beaches of Miami in the USA, let them steal the money stolen from the Russian Defense there.
    1. Brother Sarych
      +2
      13 December 2012 09: 49
      Something like that I think ...
    2. +3
      13 December 2012 09: 49
      Quote: Beck
      Magnitsky’s personality in the USA is sideways; they are debauched there because stolen money is laundered in the USA.

      Beck, American banks are happy to take loot from drug dealers, if all the money from Russia will be migrated, only in the USA, Amer will be happy.
      1. Beck
        -3
        13 December 2012 10: 26
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Beck, American banks are happy to take loot from drug dealers, if all the money from Russia will be migrated, only in the USA, Amer will be happy.


        I agree that happens. But US justice is trying and tracking money and punishes both thieves and banks that accept the stolen money.

        And your logic does not match reality. If the United States is happy to take money from drug dealers, then why would the US authorities for about 10 years by hook or by crook pursue the most important of the drug lords. Pablo Escobar. Spending a lot of money on it. They even spent on creating a special, personal investigative committee. And in the end they achieved the elimination of Escobar. According to your logic, the United States should not have created a tracking committee, but a special Escobar security group, because its drug money was deposited mainly in US banks on classified accounts.

        In relation to Russia, your logic completely ceases to act.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        if all the money from Russia will be migrated, only in the USA, Amer will be happy.
        If so. That, then on a fig amers accept Magnitsky’s law? Why limit the flow of stolen money from Russia? Some kind of stupidity. They mean they rejoice in stolen money from Russia and in joy, they suddenly block this stream. Well, some garbage. They would be silent, and Vasilva and Smetanina should give all the privileges and discounts on placing money stolen from the Russian Defense in the United States. And they put the valve, the law of Magnitstky, and generally block such flows.

        If amers are joyful people about the receipt of stolen money, then they are also joyful IDN ... YOU if you approve Magnitsky’s law, blocking the flow of this money ..
        1. +3
          13 December 2012 10: 34
          Quote: Beck
          , then why would the US authorities for about 10 years by hook or by crook pursue the most important of the drug lords. Pablo Escobar.

          Whoever fails to control is destroyed or imprisoned.
          Quote: Beck
          If so. That, then on a fig amers accept Magnitsky’s law?

          Stolen. As it flowed and will flow in the United States, Magnitsky’s law is a political move, possibly prolaborated by some circles in the United States, if you really think that the United States wants to fight corruption in Russia, you are deeply mistaken hi
      2. +1
        13 December 2012 14: 45
        Alexander Romanov,
        Morgan Stanley is close to buying a $ 1 billion Metropolis mall



        Morgan Stanley, an American bank, is close to completing a purchase and further expansion of the Moscow Metropolis shopping center for more than $ 1 billion, Bloomberg reports citing three people familiar with the negotiations.

        According to the interlocutors of the agency, the deal may be completed in the coming weeks.
        See also:
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        Keywords

        Morgan Stanley | Metropolis

        The Metropolis Shopping Center is located in the north-west of Moscow, not far from the highway to the city airport. It was opened in 2009. Its area is 80000 km m.

        The complex has more than 250 shops, it has several cafes and restaurants, a bowling alley and a cinema.

        Morgan Stanley is a large American commercial bank, one of the financial conglomerates. Its headquarters are based in New York.

        If the deal takes place Morgan Stanley will become the largest investor in retail real estate in Russia. In January of this year, a real estate fund managed by Morgan Stanley purchased the Gallery shopping center (St. Petersburg) from Meridian Capital CIS Fun for $ 1,1 billion.
        Romanitch had information yesterday. that the deal has already taken place
  18. Indigo
    +1
    13 December 2012 09: 37
    And it seems to me that in this list you can "shove" all overworking Russian oligarchs with their unbearably outrageous and hidden money in the West - and there is no need for a war - to take the money and, most importantly, to sell instead of the white-ribbon revolution, the revolution of thick wallets, to stimulate crap and create GDP problems ...
  19. Brother Sarych
    +2
    13 December 2012 09: 37
    Yes, let them wipe their list! This is not a problem at all if Russia is a sovereign state ...
    He does not threaten an honest man with anything, let him worry about the crook - but I should lean on the experience and inconvenience of the crook and thieves ...
    And with retaliatory measures, it seems like serious people look like pure clowns ...
  20. +1
    13 December 2012 09: 44
    They would give G. Onishchenko where the chief sanitary doctor of Russia would swing. he would have compiled a real list for the act of Magnitsky. then the Americans would have grabbed their heads and thought of what they were losing and the food lobby in the United States would stir. However, I like the gradual information attack by Russia against the United States. We are waiting for the continuation.
  21. DDT_1976
    +1
    13 December 2012 10: 12
    For Americans, Russia's response is creating enormous image problems. Their media are now removing references to Dima Yakovlev from their own publications. For example, in an English search engine by name Dima yakovlev a link is issued to the Fashington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-lawmakers-name-retaliatory-bill-for-
    dima-yakovlev-the-virginia-toddler-who-died-in-car/2012/12/11/49b4e3c6-43ad-11e2
    -8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

    But here - Page Not Found!
  22. 0
    13 December 2012 10: 13
    In my opinion, the article correctly says that American politicians simply need an external enemy (represented by Russia). There will be more such victims - there will be a reason for intervention. And with their list, amers brainwash their zombie citizens, and once again demonstrate their great mission in democratizing the entire wild and backward world. They don’t give a damn about Magnitsky; he’s just a pretext for action. In the end, Hitler will be acquitted and punished all those involved in his death.
    But for us, as always, it's a shame - they waited for the cancer to whistle on the mountain.
  23. +3
    13 December 2012 10: 13
    And who is in this notorious "Magnitsky List"? Investigators, prosecutors and judges (Aunt Vicki gives a list of names), I see nothing wrong if they are banned from entering SyShyA. Rather, on the contrary, it would be better for us if they went abroad and Russia would not accept them back.
  24. Captain ata
    +4
    13 December 2012 10: 18
    And why are the "upper echelons", the "elite" unfolding? For diplomats, for the president, no one forbids anything, for ordinary businessmen too. So why yell, or "stigma in the gun"?
  25. 0
    13 December 2012 10: 41
    What does "opportunism" have to do with it in general?
  26. nnnnnn
    +4
    13 December 2012 10: 49
    Yes, Russia has once again struck. They decided to hide behind orphans under the pretext of 19 brutally tortured for ten years or more. And how Russia participates in the fate of its little citizens who are adopted by the thousands a year is not the answer. And ask the question how many children died in Russia during the same period of time at the hands of Russian parents. I am sure that more. And where are our deputies. And that our authorities are not given the question of orphans. The answer is simple - they need slaves. My colleague told how they adopted a child from Russia. For reference, I live in the USA, he is a Jew of Russian origin. They adopted a child at 15 months of age, I will not speak from which region of immense Russia, but not the central city. According to him, a very large part of healthy children were adopted. They were in a group with other parents. The group consisted of 15 couples. I saw this child as a teenager and you know, spiteful politicians from Russia are alive and get a good education. Several of my other colleagues adopted children, one woman adopted a girl from Russia. And again, damn it all alive and well. Notice Moscow screams about 19 dead children, which is a tragedy, I don’t argue, but instead of taking preventive measures during adoption, monitoring the fate of these little citizens until they reach their majority, talking about happy adoption cases - our authorities are turning this all into a farce using orphans as an occasion. And then we wonder why the whole of Europe and other developed countries look askance at Russia and are still let in often even with guest visas. http://nnm.ru/blogs/lisrnd/asimmetrichnyy-otvet-po-afrikanski/#cut
  27. -1
    13 December 2012 10: 51
    Ohhuyu one place a great dirty trick is planned against Russia, maybe even a war, and it will not be easy for us to find allies, we need to arm ourselves more quickly and each one had at least a saiga under the bed
  28. Captain ata
    +1
    13 December 2012 10: 58
    In response, it is necessary to prohibit entry into Russia and freeze accounts with the CIA director of the CIA, Secretary of State Clinton, and others who have relation to the address of our citizens in the United States.
    1. +1
      13 December 2012 17: 16
      Quote: Captain ATA
      In response, it is necessary to prohibit entry into Russia and freeze accounts with the CIA director of the CIA, Secretary of State Clinton, and others who have relation to the address of our citizens in the United States.

      I propose to ban the import / export of bucks wink
  29. +4
    13 December 2012 11: 26
    If Dima Yakovlev’s list appeared before Magnitsky’s list (which would be logical and legitimate) it would look worthy, and this is just a dirty game of politicians using the death of a child for their own purposes.
  30. 0
    13 December 2012 11: 39
    The State Duma promises to adopt a response law to the "Magnitsky Act" before the end of the autumn session
    MOSCOW, December 13. On December 14, the State Duma will consider in the first reading the draft law "On measures of influence on persons involved in the violation of the rights of citizens of the Russian Federation." Chairman of the State Duma Sergei Naryshkin told reporters about this. According to him, the bill will be adopted in the second and third readings before the end of the autumn session (until December 21).
    Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/12/13/1070949.html

    on my own, it’s better not yet, namely on December 21 to pass the bill, it will be a kind of small apocalypse for the USA




  31. nanu29
    0
    13 December 2012 11: 43
    It’s time for Russia to take up the protection of its citizens! rather than expect friendship and respect from the USA!
  32. +2
    13 December 2012 11: 48
    The Americans made it clear to our officials. that if you don’t obey us, we will leave you with a people angry with you and you yourself understand what it threatens you with.
    1. 0
      13 December 2012 12: 23
      + Yes, if ... there isn’t enough room for everyone on Nauru, so sit and don’t pick it!
  33. Freder
    0
    13 December 2012 11: 57
    I support the Senate and the US Congress And I am ready to sign a petition allowing the CIA to destroy everyone from the list laughing
  34. AvadaCedavra
    -9
    13 December 2012 11: 58
    The law adopted in the USA is at least some adequate measures for the legal chaos in the Russian Federation and widespread violation of human rights. It is a pity that the “Magnitsky list” was limited to only 60 names, although there could be added much more. I hope that the rest of the world community will support the United States in their desire to put an end to the current antidemocratic situation in the Russian Federation and will accept similar lists. Maybe then in the Russian Federation, they will no longer fabricate criminal cases against people who are objectionable to the authorities and torture them to extract confessions from them.
    The law adopted in Russia and named after Dima Yakovlev, an American citizen allegedly killed by his adoptive father, causes only laughter. At present, Russia needs the support of the United States, much more than the United States in Russia.
    1. Nose
      +5
      13 December 2012 13: 51
      Quote: AvadaCedavra
      . At present, Russia needs the support of the United States, much more than the United States in Russia

      You need a doctor! Look how excited! fool
      1. Vanek
        +1
        14 December 2012 05: 48
        Quote: Nose
        You need a doctor!


        Eugene, there the doctor will not help.
  35. +2
    13 December 2012 12: 52
    I didn’t read in detail either the article or the comments, I’ll just say this- AND WHO gave the Americans the opportunity to scoff at children from Russia? DIDN'T YOURSELF GIVE THEM (SOLD OUT) BY YOURSELF? again a stone in the garden of our bureaucrats.
  36. nnnnnn
    +2
    13 December 2012 13: 19
    The new US law consists of only two provisions.
    Each of them tears the soul into pieces and sprinkles it with steaming hot salt. The first situation: any of the officials may not be allowed into the United States tomorrow. And in the near future - to the best part of the world. Second: at any of them, at some elusive moment, they can freeze real estate in this lost abroad. And bank accounts - in the same place. The list includes a number of heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, investigators, jailers, heads of tax services, doctors. So far, it consists of 60 people - with the indicated names, positions and ranks. The law allows you to expand the list at the expense of those whom the US Department of State considers guilty of gross violation of rights and freedoms in Russia and, possibly, in other countries.

    But let us return directly to what exactly the Russian government prepared in response to the US provocation. In relation to whom, nevertheless, sanctions will be applied and which ones? According to preliminary data, the bill provides for the following measures of influence: prohibition of entry into the territory of Russia, seizure of accounts and property, as well as a ban on transactions.

    Now you need to find out against whom these sanctions will be directed. It follows from the document that they will affect Americans who committed crimes against Russians who were abroad, officials who “contributed by their actions (inaction) to exonerate those who committed crimes against Russian citizens,” officials involved in the abduction and illegal deprivation of liberty of citizens of the Russian Federation, as well as those who have issued unreasonable and unfair sentences against them, and those who "carry out unjustified legal prosecution of citizens of the Russian Federation and (or) have made unreasonable decisions that violate the rights and legitimate interests of citizens and organizations of the Russian Federation."

    response of the Russian government in response to the provocation of the United States. In relation to whom, nevertheless, sanctions will be applied and which ones? According to preliminary data, the bill provides for the following measures of influence: prohibition of entry into the territory of Russia, seizure of accounts and property, as well as a ban on transactions.
    Now you need to find out against whom these sanctions will be directed. It follows from the document that they will affect Americans who committed crimes against Russians who were abroad, officials who “contributed by their actions (inaction) to exonerate those who committed crimes against Russian citizens,” officials involved in the abduction and illegal deprivation of liberty of citizens of the Russian Federation, as well as those who have issued unreasonable and unfair sentences against them, and those who "carry out unjustified legal prosecution of citizens of the Russian Federation and (or) have made unreasonable decisions that violate the rights and legitimate interests of citizens and organizations of the Russian Federation."
  37. +2
    13 December 2012 14: 31
    A very good law is this list of Magnitsky. Think for yourself: Our oligarchs keep their grandmothers mostly there, over the hill. Now, due to the fear of the arrest of shields, it is possible they will be kept with us and work for our economy. As for the answer: the worst dream of an American is to obtain Russian citizenship. Let them bring a couple of dozen Americans into the country, forcibly hand them Russian passports, this is an adequate answer. And so all that is written here is demagogy. Raise your children in your own country so that they are not killed there. Make fewer holidays and work, less and culturally plump, boost the economy, make a normal country, and not scream at a strong neighbor, but try to follow them.
    1. 0
      13 December 2012 15: 42
      "drink culturally" - we are far from you http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UoIbrdLhkk0#!
    2. -2
      14 December 2012 06: 59
      But it’s just that the United States will never allow our oligarchs to suddenly change their minds to bring them money and leave them in Russia, are you joking ?? laughing
  38. wax
    0
    13 December 2012 15: 06
    The United States must answer for the shelling of the Russian ambassador in Iraq (during the aggression), for Fallujah ...
  39. +1
    13 December 2012 15: 30
    that's disgusting. Why interrupt their traitors in the name of the child?

    Let's see how many, according to our law, the FSB will find its own, or at least delapups
  40. +3
    13 December 2012 15: 43
    On the legislative level, the Americans emphasized that part of the Russian establishment is, to put it mildly, not desirable persons for the states. And on the other part, that with the assets there, they put on a bridle for management. The Russian "elite" cannot give such a response, since it is they who are striving to assimilate in the Western, and not vice versa. Everything else is propaganda and verbal husk.
  41. Patos89
    +2
    13 December 2012 17: 14
    They don’t need thieves and criminals. And even if they are, they will always remain Russians abroad and never become their own.
  42. +2
    13 December 2012 17: 45
    "They frightened Russia, frightened with the Magnitsky list"

    They didn’t scare me ... And they don’t like crooks and traitors anywhere
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  44. +2
    13 December 2012 19: 02
    The European Union will soon support the Magnitsky list. The highest officials will have nowhere to keep stolen capital, all sorts of different Angolan Honduras will remain. And who will be included in the list will be decided by Uncle Sam. , what will our bureaucratic class choose — its huge capitals hidden behind a hill, or the honor of our Motherland?
  45. sxn278619
    +1
    13 December 2012 22: 03
    Our entire elite (bureaucratic, political, business) wants to steal in Russia and live in the West. Therefore, the list is a method of manipulating it. This is obvious. The elite was comprador in spirit, now it will become a fact.
  46. yacht
    +2
    13 December 2012 22: 58
    Just a quote:
    “After the completion of the first hearings in the Canadian parliament, Mr. Browder said that he was surprised by the reaction of the Russian authorities to the adoption of the Magnitsky Act by the US Senate.“ $ 230 million of tax funds were stolen not from me, but from the Russian government, ”he recalled. we observe how a diplomatic war flares up between Moscow and Washington. In order to protect 60 people who have committed a crime against their own country, Russia is ready to destroy relations with America. "
    1. +1
      14 December 2012 07: 21
      Well, if Browder himself said !!! smile
    2. Beck
      -2
      14 December 2012 10: 12
      Browder -
      Quote: yacht
      “$ 230 million of tax funds were stolen not from me, but from the Russian government,” he recalled. “And now we are watching a diplomatic war between Moscow and Washington. ready to destroy relations with America. "



      This is said by Canadian MP Browder.

      Here it is the quintessence of all the fuss in the Duma. PROTECT YOUR THIEFS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

      And the worst: To protect Russian thieves plundering Russia, Russian orphans were put forward (under bullets).

      There is no limit to blasphemy, mockery and trampling of the saint.

      And hurray-patriots, turned themselves out of the blue. What? Is the West opposing our thieves? How dare they, atu West. Ours Russian thieves, let them steal until everyone steals, it’s their business and we don’t give a damn about the West. We’ll go around the world with outstretched hand, but we spit on the West’s struggle with our thieves.
      1. 0
        15 December 2012 14: 50
        what do the thieves ??? YOU, having sided with the Americans, are raising the problem of corruption - supposedly the Americans are fighting our corrupt officials! The Magnitsky law says that amers all the sanctions listed there can apply to persons whom they !! will be considered violators human rights and rule of law - I mean, the words are beautiful and correct (if you forget again that THEY decide), only you decide - with this law, amers fight corruption in Russia or fight for our rights - for me, both are funny!
        ps / what is "Canadian envoy Browder"?
        1. Beck
          0
          15 December 2012 15: 58
          Quote: bddrus
          what do the thieves ??? YOU, having sided with the Americans, are raising the problem of corruption - supposedly the Americans are fighting our corrupt officials!


          By and large, I am against corruption and violation of rights. And who does this is another question. If Americans are Americans, others could be.

          And the thieves have to do with it? Magnitsky revealed the scam of theft of 230 million tax funds from the treasury of Russia. Stealing officials with the help of investigators put Magnitsky in prison. The prison authorities did not provide normal maintenance and Magnitsky died in prison. The Russian government has not yet investigated the theft of 230 million and the causes of Magnitsky’s death. Well, if the Russian government is not fighting this. That USA decided not to let in exactly those bureaucrats who stole the money, those investigators who let the brakes on both the fact of theft and the death of Magnitsky, those jailers who allowed the death of Magnitsky. Also provided for a freeze in US banks deposits of these bureaucrats, investigators, jailers, both existing and possible future. That's all. Everything else is legal in the United States. If Russia timely investigated these cases, then there would be no Magnitsky law.

          And Magnitsky’s list is open, other embezzlers, bureaucrats, and investigators who do not respect human rights from theft and illegal imprisonment can also get there. And this is not only to Russia, but also to the bureaucrats of other states. Here you are, that you go to the square with a protest transparency if Serdyukov, Smetanin, Vasiliev are added to this list.

          And whom amers consider violators, then this is their sovereign right. As well as the Russian Foreign Ministry may consider someone unapproved. But Russia now does this not as an independent act, but as an answer to Magnitsky’s law. And this is ridiculous and disgusting because they hide behind Russian children as orphans.

          Why is there such a protest in the Duma and the government. And only because many of them are afraid to get on this list. And as a result, they will not be able to hide the stolen money in US banks and have a rest, with this money, on the beaches of Miami. And why would you tear a shirt on your chest because of them. Or just that, but only for amers to put money in their pocket.
          1. +2
            15 December 2012 19: 36
            again about thieves ????? Yes, where did you see that the amers will be included in the list of thieves and embezzlers ???
            everything you write is what the "Canadian envoy Browder" says (and again who do you think is envoy Browder?), the one who is the grandson of an American communist and who stole millions (or billions) in Russia and who was helped to do business in Russia by this Magnitsky. (at the same time, I do not exclude the fact that there could be violations on the part of the investigation, etc.). Only you are setting out a version of them.
            YOU have not answered my questions - not one or the other: the amers from your last post understand what you think, they still fight with corrupt officials in Russia and also fight for the rights of Russians. Unfortunately, you could not directly answer - therefore, you have to draw conclusions yourself.
            1. Beck
              -2
              15 December 2012 20: 50
              Quote: bddrus
              again about thieves ??


              Yes. It is difficult for us to get a dialogue, but we will understand. If you type in the wiki - Magnitsky’s list, then 60 names and their positions on the list will be released. These are tax officers, investigators, prosecutors, jailers.

              Canadian MP Browder, I don’t know who he is. I took his statement from Yakhont’s comment .. I took it because I think that the essence is clear.

              Amer is not fighting our corruption. They simply do not want to let corrupt officials from other countries into their country and keep their money in their banks. That's all. Any state has such a right.

              Law and rule of law So this right includes not only freedom of speech. But also the right to protection of immunity and the right to protection against theft.

              I repeat. By the law of Magnitsky, amers do not want to accept officials who violate the right of other people to their country and do not want to see their money in their banks. And what is the point here if they freeze Vasilyeva’s money and do not let Smetanin into their country.

              If we still do not understand each other, then probably we need to end the discussion. Thanks for the conversation.
              1. +1
                16 December 2012 10: 20
                really hard, I tried to joke you as a "parliamentarian", but you didn't even notice the joke (for me, "parliamentarian" and "parliamentarian" are different words, besides, I doubt that Browder is a Canadian parliamentarian, and even in your opinion the most honest person). And secondly - you still fantasize about the Magnitsky law - you don't need to understand me, you need to read the Magnitsky law - nothing is said about those who steal (even if someone on the list is also a thief, then he is not there this reason) - therefore, separate the flies from the cutlets, otherwise you interfere with Serdyukovism and Magnitsky.
                I only agree that there is nothing like that in that the amers do not want to let someone in for some reason - this is their business, only that pomp, instead of a simple refusal of a visa, with which the adoption of the law takes place, its orientation is only against Russia, as well as the link with the abolition of the Jackson-Venik amendment, says that this is not at all a "noble" gesture, as you try to imagine
  47. 0
    14 December 2012 00: 45
    Quote: 11Goor11
    From now on, any entrepreneur doing business in the United States will have to consider two options: to fully comply with ALL requirements, or to lose his business. Does anyone doubt the "goodwill" of the United States?

    Of course, no one doubts benevolence, but here you can play against their gates, now they will climb to us and conduct business on our territory. So an adequate answer is quite real, would be a desire.
  48. 0
    14 December 2012 10: 43
    The list of Dima Yakovlev against the list of Sergei Magnitsky


    If it is accepted what the Duma clerks conceived, then this cannot be called idiocy.
  49. 0
    14 December 2012 18: 29
    Quote from "Crysis 2":
    "This is our future, son.
    This is war. "
  50. 0
    15 December 2012 20: 16
    The United States came up with this list, not because they really care about respecting human rights in Russia, but to impose sanctions on individuals who, for one reason or another, they would not want to blame. Surely our successful entrepreneurs who could squeeze their manufacturers will fall into this list, and secretly it will be the name of Magnitsky, to whom the members of the list will have nothing to do.
  51. cgk
    cgk
    0
    16 December 2012 10: 49
    “Someone may say that for the United States, the retaliatory Russian list will not be a big tragedy. But we do not need other people’s tragedies. Russia’s task in this case is to pick up a large mirror and point it towards the United States. Watch looking at yourself from the outside can sometimes be very useful."
    article +, but I think people in the USA are so impenetrable that they won’t even look in this “mirror”.
  52. Anthrax
    -2
    16 December 2012 10: 54
    Magnitsky's list of interference in the internal affairs of Russia!
    A Russian official has the right not only to steal Russian money, but also to kill Russian citizens if they prevent him from stealing!
    Americans keep their hands off Russian murderer officials!
  53. truth_friend
    0
    19 December 2012 10: 03
    The “Dima Yakovlev List” is a measure that is overdue even without the “Magnitsky List”. And now it’s just obvious.

    And here they are trying to demand from the President that he not sign “our response to Chamberlain”!
    http://www.democrator.ru/problem/9567

    Moreover, the voices of the liberal public greatly outweigh :-(
  54. Beck
    0
    25 December 2012 11: 57
    All is not lost for Russia's image.

    Deputy Prime Minister Golodets O.Yu. and Foreign Minister S.V. Lavrov spoke out against the “Dima Yakovlev” law at a government meeting.

    This law prohibits the adoption of orphans by US citizens.

    Golodets and Lavrov sent a letter to the president criticizing this law from a legal point of view as contrary to international law.

    The readiness of the Duma members to do whatever it takes to get the amers into their pockets is amazing.

    Over the past twenty years, US citizens have adopted approximately 100 orphans in Russia, a significant portion of whom are disabled. During this time, 000 children died in the United States. In Russia, about 19 children die every year under similar circumstances.

    With the ban on adoption, the Duma flogged itself. These are thousands of orphans who will not receive a family, a home, or care in the future. And they will remain in state-owned orphanages. Yeah. To protect 60 bureaucrats and thieves, the Duma sacrificed the future of thousands of children. Marasmus.