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The fourth PAK FA made its first flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur

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In Komsomolsk-on-Amur in the Aviation Production Association named after Sukhoi. Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAPO) the first flight of the fourth prototype of the promising fifth-generation aviation complex (PAK FA) took place.


According to the press service of the Sukhoi company, the aircraft was piloted by Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation, Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan.

Fighter spent in the air 40 min. and landed on the runway of the factory airfield. The flight was successful, in full accordance with the flight task.

During the flight, an aircraft stability check was carried out, and the performance of the propulsion systems was assessed. The aircraft showed itself well at all stages of the planned flight program. The pilot noted the reliable operation of all systems and equipment.

The first flight of the PAK FA took place on 29 on January 2010 of the year in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Currently, work is underway on the entire range of ground and flight tests. Three aircraft take part in them. To date, the flight test program has made about 200 flights.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 December 2012 13: 34 New
    +34
    God forbid that not the last! drinks
    1. homeland
      homeland 12 December 2012 15: 25 New
      +21
      Another batch of great news

      Specialists of the Voronezh Air Base of the Western Military District arrived in Novosibirsk on Wednesday and began to receive 10 of the latest multifunctional Su-34 front-line bombers.
      1. ShturmKGB
        ShturmKGB 12 December 2012 16: 30 New
        +4
        As promised, by the end of the year the fourth ...
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 12 December 2012 16: 30 New
        +3
        And how many were planned for 2012 SU-34?
        1. VAF
          VAF 12 December 2012 16: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And how many were planned for 2012 SU-34?


          Ten! +! soldier The plant plans to try another 3 in the air to raise. although it’s not their fault, the planes are ready, but the “equipment” request

          So far, only two under the contract of 2012! soldier

          Twenty



          And more ... dimensionless ...

          1. PLO
            PLO 12 December 2012 16: 43 New
            +2
            hello, Sergey.
            and why the new 34s without EW containers?
            like on the drill already? or are they then mounted in parts?
            1. VAF
              VAF 12 December 2012 17: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: olp
              and why the new 34s without EW containers?
              like on the drill already? or are they then mounted in parts?


              Removable end containers (put on a shelf already ... it takes about 2 -... hours)

              And if you noticed that the same pylons are not there, except for the central one under the PTB for driving! wink

              1. PLO
                PLO 12 December 2012 17: 20 New
                +1
                I see, thanks
                Well, about the pylons you last time in the topic about the Su-30SM explained)
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 12 December 2012 16: 48 New
            +1
            Sergey, and here there was somehow a question about tail numbers. Twenty red etc. Why are the colors different?
            1. Tjumenec72
              Tjumenec72 12 December 2012 17: 17 New
              +1
              yes share, I also didn’t find an intelligible answer ...
            2. VAF
              VAF 12 December 2012 17: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: Wedmak
              Twenty red etc. Why are the colors different?


              So I answered this question already request

              Depending on which party and to whom it goes +! soldier

          3. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 12 December 2012 18: 01 New
            +6
            Thank you for your reply!

            Here is a video for you, I think it’s interesting

            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 12 December 2012 18: 39 New
              +4
              Beauties! At 150 years I would like to see both PAK FA and PAK YES at least in the same amount!
      3. VAF
        VAF 12 December 2012 16: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: vatan
        and began to receive 10 of the latest multifunctional front-line bombers Su-34.


        This is a "hat", while only the first 2 out of 10 planned have flown around!
    2. Civil
      Civil 12 December 2012 18: 30 New
      +1
      already 4 T-50s, otherwise everyone mocked us over 3 Su-35s) ... we are waiting for you PAK FA!
      1. VAF
        VAF 12 December 2012 18: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        already 4 T-50


        Well, these are only prototypes, although 4 can already be called the first experimental of the experimental series.

        And where did they mock the Su-35s? Something .. "flew by"! +! recourse
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 December 2012 18: 52 New
          +1
          The news of the flight of the first 35's. http://topwar.ru/21822-gotovy-tri-novyh-su-35s.html More precisely, they tried to mock ... smile
  2. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 12 December 2012 13: 34 New
    +16
    With an easy start, successful tests and speedy adoption. SUPER BIRD.
    1. ars_pro
      ars_pro 12 December 2012 13: 49 New
      +8
      Clear Skies !!! Beautiful and predatory !!!
    2. alexng
      alexng 12 December 2012 13: 59 New
      +3
      But I wonder what stuffed him with this fourth? And so the information pleases. Probably now the tests will accelerate, because four, this is not one. And the exhaust time for stuffing is 4 times higher, probably. Specialists, the word is yours.
      1. YARY
        YARY 12 December 2012 14: 02 New
        +11
        Let them slowly bring up! And reliable!
        Taka Lala should tear usa striped for his mustache!
        1. Victor
          Victor 12 December 2012 14: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Ardent
          Taka Lala should tear usa striped for his mustache!

          And you need to call this Lyalya NAGIBATOR
      2. SSR
        SSR 12 December 2012 14: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: alexneg
        But I wonder what stuffed him with this fourth?

        My opinion .. that it is really "as close as possible" to the future series and for this very reason
        , the plane was piloting Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation, Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan.

        PS.
        The people reference to Putin’s message ... there are very sensible points. )))
        http://www.interfax.ru/politics/txt.asp?id=280428
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 December 2012 14: 18 New
          +2
          If I’m not mistaken, Sergey Bogdan brought all the T-50 to the wing.
          1. SSR
            SSR 12 December 2012 14: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            Sergey Bogdan brought all the T-50 to the wing

            ah ya .. for sure .. I beg your pardon..in general, porridge in my head ....
            You're right all the first flights did and does Bogdan
            and Roman Kondratyev and Yuri Vashchuk ..... in general, they are also admitted to .. well this)).
          2. VAF
            VAF 12 December 2012 14: 45 New
            +9
            Quote: Wedmak
            If I’m not mistaken, Sergey Bogdan brought all the T-50 to the wing.


            You are mistaken ..... never when one pilot (crew) is not assigned to the "brigade" ... Y.Vashchuk and R. Kondratyev still fly soldier
            Think by yourself. can't Bogdan simultaneously “pedal” in 3 cars? wink

            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 12 December 2012 14: 46 New
              +3
              I meant the first flight. I don’t remember anyone else making the first runs and flying the T-50. It is clear that for 4's there will be at least 4 pilot.
      3. VAF
        VAF 12 December 2012 14: 36 New
        +13
        Quote: alexneg
        But I wonder what stuffed him with this fourth?


        Alexander, according to .. "rumors" bully the four already have a full set of avionics, almost the entire SUV and BKO, i.e. the same machine. which is significantly different from all 3 previous prototypes.

        The next 5th and 6th which, already on the stocks, are assembled completely according to the aerodynamic configuration, repeat the 4th!

        But with all the "stuffing" in the "heap" only until 4! +! soldier
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 14: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          But with all the "stuffing" in the "heap" only until 4!

          Hi Sergey, here is the good news. wink

          In the near future, the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant will transfer 10 aircraft to the Voronezh Air Base for the second squadron, ”said Colonel Andrei Bobrun, head of the press service of the Western Military District.

          According to him, 20 representatives of the aviation engineering service of the Voronezh Aviation Base arrived at the Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association, which is part of the Sukhoi holding, and began a scheduled inspection and reception of the latest Su-34 multi-function bombers
          1. VAF
            VAF 12 December 2012 16: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hi Sergey, here is the good news.


            Sanya .. this is a "hat" ... read above, I’ve answered Vladyka Sith everything about this! Although I talked about this before, if you remember? bully
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 17: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              Sanya ... this is a "hat" ... read above

              Already read, well, maybe by the end of the year will bring hope wink
        2. alexng
          alexng 12 December 2012 14: 56 New
          +2
          Thank you, Sergey! hi
      4. Vadivak
        Vadivak 12 December 2012 14: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: alexneg
        But I wonder what stuffed him with this fourth?

        An armament test should be conducted R-73., R-77, KS-172 (promising slaughter range of 400 km)
      5. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 12 December 2012 22: 39 New
        0
        Not only accelerates 4 times, but also the opportunity to identify the percentage of deviations. For example, a bomb gate wing jammed on a single copy, a cant 100%, what's the problem? Defective model or design flaw? if on one of the 4x already 25%. If on one of 10 only 10%. We can already talk about the stability of certain systems.
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 12 December 2012 15: 03 New
      +2
      wink good news
  3. sorokchetyre
    sorokchetyre 12 December 2012 13: 42 New
    +2
    well done. pleasing. drying 35 would be even more active and we can talk about our superiority in the sky.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 12 December 2012 13: 47 New
      +3
      what about your? you have and so far superiority in the sky .............. or is it again glitches on the site, the traditional exchange of flags laughing
      1. sorokchetyre
        sorokchetyre 12 December 2012 13: 52 New
        +4
        Yes, I am Russian, and in Russia, but do not pay attention to the flag. and the Merikos have no superiority, look at the Discovery Channel, drying battle 35 and whether with f35 or 22, so drying took them just 5 generations.
        1. Manager
          Manager 12 December 2012 14: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: sorokchetyre
          mericos have no superiority


          Well, they have a different amount. They have more aircraft. Much more. Well, God forbid, we moved like, by the year 14 we’ll catch up and overtake.
          1. sorokchetyre
            sorokchetyre 12 December 2012 14: 19 New
            +2
            I wish there were 30 strategic bombers, I can imagine how they would start to pour mud at us from fear right away.
          2. vagabo
            vagabo 12 December 2012 15: 27 New
            +3
            Manager,
            By the year 14 of what century?
            Even if everything that is planned for aviation before the year 20 is completed in full and on time, this will still be too little even for the sake of parity. Work and work yet!
            Yes, and you need to fly much more, without experienced pilots, any aircraft is a pile of iron at the price of gold.
            Now, if by 2020 we had 1000 SU-35s and two or three hundred PAK FAs in them, then it would be possible to show the amers and everyone else a muzzle.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 14: 49 New
          +7
          Quote: sorokchetyre
          Yes, I am Russian, and in Russia, but do not pay attention to the flag

          Apparently, not long ago a banned Russian and I feel no further than yesterday.
          Quote: sorokchetyre
          look at the discovery channel, drying battle 35 and whether with f35 or 22, so drying took them 5 times at a time.

          And where did the amers of Su 35 get it, that would be to fight or ours borrowed laughing
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 12 December 2012 14: 50 New
            +3
            And where did the amers of Su 35 get it, that would be to fight or ours borrowed

            On the computer, they painted, where else.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 15: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: Wedmak
              On the computer, they painted, where else.

              Looks like immigrants from Russia painted laughing
          2. alexng
            alexng 12 December 2012 14: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And where did the amers of Su 35 get it, that would be to fight or ours borrowed


            They printed on a 3D printer, but even such a printed one piled on them. laughing
            1. strannik595
              strannik595 12 December 2012 15: 41 New
              0
              well you burn menlaughing
          3. sorokchetyre
            sorokchetyre 12 December 2012 15: 48 New
            0
            Well got a little excited, but all the same, the best drying
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VOFdXO929Q
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 12 December 2012 16: 16 New
              0
              Quote: sorokchetyre
              all the same, drying is the best

              Do you want those too? A lip is not a fool, comrade Americans tongue
          4. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 12 December 2012 23: 02 New
            0
            They were still impressed by the real training battles against the Su27, and then they thought about it, compared the performance characteristics of the Su27 and the Su35 figured out what could theoretically happen to them in the case of exercises and made the conclusion such as they did)))
        3. patsantre
          patsantre 12 December 2012 17: 54 New
          0
          Quote: sorokchetyre
          watch the discovery channel


          Well, just the most authoritative source!

          Quote: sorokchetyre
          drying battle 35 and whether with f35 or 22, so drying was given to their 5th generation at a time.


          I read about 2 simulated fights: in one, the raptor merged, I don’t remember the F-35 account, and paid to the F-18.
          In another simulation, drying conducted a purely maneuverable close combat with the F-35, it did not start with long-range combat, and in the close combat did not simulate the capabilities of avionics. Only whoever sits on someone’s tail and that’s all.
          In addition, the F-35 is equally an attack aircraft and a fighter, and the Su-35 is larger than a fighter.
          Yes, and I do not argue that the Su-35 is an excellent aircraft, and can even compete with the 5th generation in many ways ... but how many we have? And how much will it be by the year 20? And now we are flying on the old Su-27 and MiG- 29, most of which have not even been modernized. Their aircraft have undergone modernization many times, from the original versions there are only gliders, + they already have 180 raptors and 70 F-35s, and the latter will be delivered to the troops clearly faster and more than all our fighter jets. yes they have a stupid quantitative superiority of 2.5 times in fighter aircraft.
          We are not even talking about parity by 2020, even if GOZ-2020 is 100% complete, our economy and industry will not be pulled stupidly, and if we try, we’ll tear the navel apart. We don’t need parity in this.
  4. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 12 December 2012 13: 43 New
    +3
    Fourth T-50, not bad. Successful flights and speedy adoption !!!
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 12 December 2012 13: 45 New
    +1
    Handsome plane, more of these!
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 12 December 2012 13: 46 New
    +1
    Well, finally, the fourth has gone! Who knows what they will experience on this board?
    1. VAF
      VAF 12 December 2012 14: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Well, finally, the fourth has gone! Who knows what they will experience on this board?


      Dance, I already wrote repeatedly = the whole Sh-121st! +! soldier
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 December 2012 17: 19 New
        +2
        All five stations? URAYAJAYA !!! good drinks
        1. VAF
          VAF 12 December 2012 17: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          All five stations? URAYAJAYA !!!


          "They say" bully so .. the nasal k-036 was "run in" on another 3-m by the "simulator", though without the side ones, but we checked the software anyway. everything "plows"! +drinks
  7. itr
    itr 12 December 2012 13: 52 New
    +1
    And how is it different from the rest ???
    1. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 12 December 2012 14: 03 New
      +2
      number))), but in general it would be cool if there were more such pieces. 200 ... but you need to do something with the engines, because they look like olyapesto and the characteristics for this rather heavy machine are modest, and respect ...
    2. VAF
      VAF 12 December 2012 14: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: itr
      And how is it different from the rest ???


      Everyone, starting with the aerodynamic line-up. Ending with the "stuffing"! +! bully
      1. 916-th
        916-th 12 December 2012 16: 05 New
        +1
        VAF: ... starting with the aerodynamic lineup

        Sergey, and what changes have occurred in the aerodynamic layout of the 4? Share it if you know!
        1. VAF
          VAF 12 December 2012 16: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: 916
          Share it if you know!


          I know ... here are some ... other keels. Other horizontal stabilizers, other influxes, a lot of changes in the wing, changed flaperons. Elevons, well, etc., etc. wink

          all changes were made during the test flights, according to the identified and manifested design flaws!

          Everything is only good! After all, he himself asked the question, why is the “priest” of a 1 different from that of a 2? wink
          And because 1 flew on a corkscrew and in her “butt” a container with an anti-stop parachute! + drinks
          1. 916-th
            916-th 12 December 2012 18: 00 New
            +1
            Thank you, Sergey! Now you need to wait for the 4 images ... smile
  8. ikrut
    ikrut 12 December 2012 13: 56 New
    +2
    Fine! As planned. FOUR went. God willing - we will count them in hundreds.
    1. VAF
      VAF 12 December 2012 16: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: ikrut
      Fine! As planned


      That's great, yes +! And as the design bureau and the plant planned, yes, + it’s true with a slight delay, but this is normal!

      And here is how the FIGHTERS “planned” by the year 13 fourteen and everything was under testing and installation lot, etc. it's all ... nonsense ... although it sounded from the lips of the former Commander-in-Chief Zelin! am

      And in fact, on the 16-21st date, "relocation" is planned in the LII!
  9. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 12 December 2012 14: 02 New
    +4
    Great news! Komsomol members made cars very well, and not only flying (submarines — very good — were) Forward, they are trying to win the Russian victory, despite the pressure from the sewage system.
  10. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 12 December 2012 14: 06 New
    +4
    Well, so that the tails do not fall off drinks
    1. MG42
      MG42 12 December 2012 20: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Well, so that the tails do not fall off

      Amendment === Well, so that the tails do not fall off at our airplanes drinks
      Let the enemy come off - yesterday the topic of just such a gap was discussed on the site.
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 12 December 2012 23: 16 New
      +3
      Well, that would have raptor tail fell off from the mere mention of our T50)
  11. Slevinst
    Slevinst 12 December 2012 14: 08 New
    +2
    good news! the winged warrior does everything
  12. Lucky man
    Lucky man 12 December 2012 14: 08 New
    +1
    Here is the news on the website of the magazine Rise
    Fourth PAK FA - in the air!
    On December 12, 2012, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the fourth flight instance of the Perspective Frontline Aviation Complex (PAK FA), the T-50-4, took off for the first time. The car was piloted by a test pilot of the company "Sukhoi" Hero of Russia Sergey Bogdan. The flight lasted 38 minutes and passed in accordance with the task, all the aircraft's onboard systems worked normally.
    The construction of the fourth flight instance of PAK FA was completed at KnAAPO by the end of this fall. On December 10, the aircraft was pumped to the airfield and made its first run. Two days later, Sergei Bogdan performed two more runs on the car, including speed with separation of the front rack. After that, it was decided to complete the first flight. It is expected that the T-50-4 will perform several more flights in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, after which it will fly to the Sukhoi Flight Testing and Development Base in Zhukovsky near Moscow. Here he will join three prototypes of the aircraft that are already undergoing flight tests.
    http://take-off.ru/news/117-news01-02-2012/720-t50-4-12-2012
  13. I627z
    I627z 12 December 2012 14: 10 New
    +9
    This news is especially pleasing against the background of the Swede who claimed: In Russia, they cannot build anything.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 15: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: I627z
      This news is especially pleasing against the background of that Swede.

      Yes, that Swede was drunk, his parents joked, but he did it.
  14. orkibotu
    orkibotu 12 December 2012 14: 17 New
    +1
    I feel the drying will be the best of the best !!!
    1. King
      King 12 December 2012 14: 46 New
      +2
      They are already the best of the best but eager to eat where.
  15. Rus2012
    Rus2012 12 December 2012 14: 33 New
    +1
    Excellent! laughing
    Already with full-time avionics and AFAR?
  16. afire
    afire 12 December 2012 14: 36 New
    +1
    come on baby learn to fly good
  17. WW3
    WW3 12 December 2012 14: 53 New
    +10
    I found the video ... soldier
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 December 2012 15: 01 New
      +1
      It seemed to me, or were there no small fairings near the cab in the first three?
      1. VAF
        VAF 12 December 2012 16: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        It seemed to me, or were there no small fairings near the cab in the first three?


        This is another 1 ka in Komsomolsk! old movie!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 December 2012 16: 57 New
          +1
          Well, it seemed to be deceived ... recourse
        2. WW3
          WW3 12 December 2012 17: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          This is another 1 ka in Komsomolsk! old movie!

          and in the subject ...
          The first flight of the PAK FA took place on 29 on January 2010 of the year in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

          Quote: WW3
          I found the video ...

          If you have a newer video, lay out no one is against ....
          1. VAF
            VAF 12 December 2012 17: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: WW3
            and in the subject ...


            Well, if the topic .. then okay. although to be thoroughly honest. then this film is not about the first flight wink

            Quote: WW3
            If you have a newer video, lay out no one is against ....


            Four is not yet .. enter the time it has passed after landing .. nothing at all. plus people have a late evening and a "holiday" drinks !

            And do not be offended, I'm sorry. if something offended, +! drinks
            1. WW3
              WW3 12 December 2012 18: 00 New
              +4
              Yes, everything is normal! Happy holiday! + drinks
  18. silver_roman
    silver_roman 12 December 2012 14: 57 New
    +2
    how nice to read it all. only for a week: the first su-35s were received, 10 su-34s were driven to Voronezh, and then the PAK FA pleased. only one thing on this plane is embarrassing: the engines of their geometries greatly scorch the aircraft, i.e. stealth technologies are not used in them. And given that these engines (like product 117) are just a transitional option, can we expect changes in the forms of new engines? this question is more for specialists, which are not few on our site!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 December 2012 15: 08 New
      +2
      We have stealth technology in second place. Apply of course, but without fanaticism.
    2. urzul
      urzul 12 December 2012 15: 09 New
      +3
      The statement that flat nozzles MAY be used on new engines sounded more than once.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 12 December 2012 16: 16 New
        0
        realized thanks for the info hi . apparently I missed somewhere about flat engines. let's hope. nevertheless, if PAK FA is made using stealth technology, then it would be nice to make the engines as well! and it turns out that the engines write off all the achievements on the stealth glider.
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 12 December 2012 16: 14 New
      0
      got it. apparently missed the info about flat engines. let's hope. nevertheless, if PAK FA is made using stealth technology, then it would be nice to make the engines as well!
    4. VAF
      VAF 12 December 2012 17: 02 New
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      only one thing on this plane is embarrassing: the engines of their geometries greatly scorch the aircraft, i.e. stealth technologies are not used in them.


      Let it not bother you and listen less to all sorts of things that are written in the media! +! lol

      And about stealth technologies, here's the Raptor "famous" stealth ...... look and all the questions will disappear yourself .. about "stealth technology"!

      Watch carefully from 30 seconds !!! wassat

      [media = http: //www.militaryparitet.com/editor/assets/new/files3/093143.jpg]
    5. VAF
      VAF 12 December 2012 17: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: silver_roman
      only one thing on this plane is embarrassing: the engines of their geometries greatly scorch the aircraft, i.e. stealth technologies are not used in them.


      Let it not bother you and listen less to all sorts of things that are written in the media! +! lol

      And about stealth technologies, here's the Raptor "famous" stealth ...... look and all the questions will disappear yourself .. about "stealth technology"!

      Watch carefully from 30 seconds !!! wassat

      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 12 December 2012 17: 45 New
        +1
        thank you for the video, but my question was asked a little for other reasons.
        on the video, if I understood correctly, the picture of the thermal trace from the engine is displayed and the trace is naturally noticeable. but the geometry of the engines themselves, nozzles (nozzles or nozzles - I don’t know how to do it) in theory should have an EPR much lower than the rounded shapes of our engines!
        I do not want to argue about the appropriateness of stealth technology and its detection in the L-band, but I proceed from the pure theory of "stealth" as such.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 December 2012 18: 47 New
          +1
          Here's the thing: in the west, the EPR value is indicated when the aircraft is irradiated from the front, where it is minimized as much as possible (accordingly, the engines are almost invisible). We have taken an average EPR from all sides. So think about who is right - at least flat, even round, but at least the combustion chamber can still be seen from behind.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 12 December 2012 18: 58 New
            0
            But this is an interesting question. I didn’t even know about it. Of course, it’s much more profitable to advertise my aircraft with a larger EPR, so that later Indians win tenders (just kidding). then it’s generally worth accepting some international GOST and placing the EPR in SI units (if it is not there, which I doubt) so that there are no questions left.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 12 December 2012 19: 05 New
              0
              The value of the EPR to some extent is classified information. Until now, the F-22 EPR is only called approximately. However, for aircraft there are many “lit up” in the world (military operations, exercises, etc.) ESR is known. And there is also a unit of measure. In this case, I think the wiki can be trusted.
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D1%84%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0
              %BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%8C_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1
              %81%D0%B5%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F
  19. Delink
    Delink 12 December 2012 14: 58 New
    +2
    I want to quickly see them on guard of our borders. And try out NATO’s real flying targets.
  20. 123dv
    123dv 12 December 2012 15: 12 New
    +1
    But how beautiful he is, just can’t take his eyes off !!!!! .....
  21. 11 black
    11 black 12 December 2012 15: 48 New
    +1
    Beautiful and strong machine - put on the wing quickly and in large quantities in the army!
  22. toguns
    toguns 12 December 2012 15: 53 New
    +2
    drinks 4 sample is all of course good.
    but how are things with the 5th generation engine ???
    and what about the on-board ace (automated control system) ???
    ready or more worries mouth full ???
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 13 December 2012 11: 32 New
      0
      just being developed. like there was infa that by the year 15 should be already. but the first batches of PAK FA will be with an intermediate engine - product 117. It seems to be on the Su-35s too. The engine is good, but not enough for our 5th generation.
  23. Roomata
    Roomata 12 December 2012 16: 01 New
    -5
    After successful tests, the aircraft will be exported.
    The issue of the receipt of such machines in part is not yet considered
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 December 2012 16: 04 New
      +3
      Do not grind rubbish ... otherwise bullshit will be offended.
    2. Nickname
      Nickname 12 December 2012 16: 32 New
      +1
      good Yeah, the Chinese will again ask for a couple, to strengthen their borders
  24. xzWhiteWolf
    xzWhiteWolf 12 December 2012 16: 06 New
    0
    When will they go into the series already .. Of course it’s good that they are testing, working out .. But faster would be new engines and conquer the sky ahead ..
  25. yllo
    yllo 12 December 2012 16: 12 New
    0
    It’s interesting, but we have really secret developments like in the movie “Men in Black” bully . Any UFO technology belay . How do you think?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 December 2012 16: 26 New
      +6
      Of course have. Moreover, everyone knows about him, but they can neither copy nor apply! This is a top secret Russian file! Without it, not a single Russian equipment leaves the factory!
  26. erased
    erased 12 December 2012 16: 45 New
    +1
    Oh good! Hurry to launch them in a series!
    1. yllo
      yllo 12 December 2012 16: 51 New
      +2
      Files? lol
  27. Locksmith
    Locksmith 12 December 2012 17: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Victor
    And you need to call this Lyalya "NAGIBATOR"

    Or rather, the "democratizer SAM Patriot" smile
  28. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 12 December 2012 18: 48 New
    +1
    VAF
    Thanks for the professionalism! Good luck and prosperity!
  29. APASUS
    APASUS 12 December 2012 18: 57 New
    +1
    I wonder when on the PAK FA there will be a non-binding lamp?
    Even the Chinese have learned to do, though no exact information about the performance characteristics of Chinese lanterns has been reported!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 December 2012 19: 06 New
      0
      Does it make sense to do them like that?
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 12 December 2012 20: 45 New
      +1
      men for the general development - that’s what I passed

      what is an unbinding lamp and what is its charm ??? wink
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 12 December 2012 21: 00 New
        +2
        Flashlight without binding, without additional stiffeners. Like that.

        1. Rustam
          Rustam 12 December 2012 21: 25 New
          +1
          wink thank you
          shorter visibility is better as a panoramic roof ??
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 12 December 2012 21: 34 New
            +3
            Yes, sort of like that. True, I do not quite understand what difference there is, whether he is bookbinding or not, at such and such speeds and speed of a change of situation.
    3. silver_roman
      silver_roman 13 December 2012 11: 36 New
      +1
      The Chinese have learned to properly wipe technology. they themselves just went to the 3rd generation of aircraft, so that the flashlight, gliders, BIOs, etc. - all stolen goods.
  30. I. Brovkin
    I. Brovkin 12 December 2012 19: 25 New
    0
    Well done keep on schedule!
  31. arthur_hammer
    arthur_hammer 12 December 2012 22: 44 New
    0
    The good news, but I would like to hear more often about new T-50 flights !!!!
  32. Bars90
    Bars90 15 December 2012 16: 08 New
    0
    PAK FA looks like a crane ...
  33. sashka
    sashka 16 December 2012 11: 51 New
    0
    Flew .. So this is intended. What is the problem? Wondering what flew? Or what good fellows that "lifted the plane" in the air.? This is his work otherwise why did? What is the trick? How many times to scream ur ?? Ordinary work .. Daily .. Standing a bunch of Nerves and Health .. This is not a knock on the keys. It’s important that it’s faster. Itself worked .. I know. When they look and shout in the back. It does not happen worse. No need to discuss every "bunch" But it happens "all." . Just pick up PATIENCE and "stupidly" wait. AND HOPE THAT SMART PEOPLE REMAINED IN THE COUNTRY .. IMHO
  34. Kpox
    Kpox 11 March 2013 11: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Sasha
    Just gain PATIENCE and "stupidly" wait. AND HOPE THAT SMART PEOPLE REMAINED IN THE COUNTRY .. IMHO


    Nah. It is necessary to pick up a tool and each bed "weed and spud."