The cruiser "Varyag". After the ball…

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Today in Russia you can hardly find a person who would not know about the heroic deed of the crews of the Varyag cruiser and the Korenets cannon boat. Hundreds of books and articles have been written about this, films have been made ... The battle, the fate of the cruiser and his crew are described in minute detail. However, the conclusions and assessments are very biased! Why did the commander of "Varyag" captain 1 of the rank of V.F. Rudnev, who received the Order of St. George 4 degree and the rank of adjutant for the battle, soon retired and lived out his life in the family estate in the Tula province? It would seem that the national hero, and even with the aglet and George on his chest, should literally “fly up” through the ranks, but this did not happen.

About the fight has already been written so much that it simply makes no sense to repeat. But what was “after the ball”?

The battle that started at 11 hours 45 minutes ended at 12 hours 45 minutes. 425 6-inch caliber shells, 470 75-mm and 210 47-mm caliber shells were launched from Varyag, and 1105 shells were launched in total. In 13 hours 15 minutes "Varyag" anchored at the place where 2 appeared from an hour ago. There was no damage on the gun "Koreyets", as there were no dead or wounded. In 1907, in the pamphlet "The Battle of the Varyag" at Chemulpo ", V.F. Rudnev repeated word for word about a fight with a Japanese squad. The retired commander of the Varyag did not say anything new, but it was necessary to say.



Given the current situation, on the council of officers “Varyag” and “Korean” they decided to destroy the cruiser and gunboat, and bring the teams to foreign ships. The gunboat "Koreets" was blown up, and the cruiser "Varyag" was sunk, opening all the valves and kingstones. At 18 hours and 20 minutes he lay aboard. At low tide, the cruiser was exposed more than 4 meters. Somewhat later, the Japanese raised the cruiser, which made the transition from Chemulpo to Sasebo, where it was commissioned and sailed in Japanese for more than 10 years navy called "Soya" until the Russians bought it.

The reaction about the death of "Varyag" was not straightforward. Some naval officers did not approve of the actions of the Varyag commander, regarding them as illiterate both from a tactical point of view and from a technical point of view. But higher-level officials thought differently: why start a war with failures (especially since Port Arthur was a total failure), would it not be better to use the battle under Chemulpo to raise the national feelings of the Russians and try to turn the war with Japan into a people one. Developed a script meeting heroes Chemulpo. On the miscalculations all silent.

The senior navigator officer of the cruiser, E. A. Behrens, who became 1917 after the October Revolution, was the first Soviet chief of the Naval General Staff, later recalled that he had expected arrest and maritime court on his native shore. On the first day of the war, the Pacific fleet decreased by one combat unit, and so did the enemy’s forces. The news that the Japanese began to rise "Varyag", spread quickly.

By the summer of 1904, the sculptor K. Kazbek produced a model of a monument dedicated to the battle of Chemulpo, and called it “Farewell to Rudnev with“ Varyag ””. On the model, the sculptor depicted VF Rudnev, who was standing at the railroad carters, to the right of which was a sailor with a bandaged hand, and an officer was sitting behind his back with his head down. Then the model was made and the author of the monument to the "guarding" KV Isenberg. There was a song about "Varyag", which became popular. Soon the painting "Death of the Varyag" was painted. View from the French cruiser "Pascal". " Photo-shooters were released with portraits of commanders and images of "Varyag" and "Korean". But the ceremony of meeting the heroes of Chemulpo was especially carefully designed. Apparently, it should be said more in detail, especially since almost no one wrote about it in the Soviet literature.

The first group of warriors arrived in Odessa on March 19 of the year. The day was sunny, but the sea was very swell. In the morning the city was decorated with flags and flowers. The sailors arrived at the Tsar's pier on the steamer "Malaya". They were met by the steamer "Saint Nicholas", which, when it was found on the horizon, "Malaya" was decorated with colorization flags. This signal was followed by a volley from the coastal battery salute guns. From the harbor into the sea came a whole flotilla of ships and yachts.


Flooded "Varyag"

Raising the cruiser "Varyag"


On one of the ships were the head of the port of Odessa and several St. George Cavaliers. Climbing aboard the Malaya, the port commander handed the St. George awards to the Varangians. The first group included Captain 2 of rank V.V. Stepanov, Warrant Officer V.A. Balk, engineers N.V. Zorin and S.S. Spiridonov, doctor M.N. Hrabrostin and 268 of lower ranks. Around 2 hours of the day "Malaya" began to enter the harbor. Several regimental orchestras played on the shore, while a crowd of thousands of people met the ship with shouts of "Hurray."

The first to come ashore was Captain 2 of the rank of V. V. Stepanov. He was met by the priest of the seaside church, Father Atamansky, who presented the image of St. Nicholas, the patron saint of sailors, to the senior officer of the Varyag. Then the team went ashore. On the famous Potemkin Stairs leading to Nikolayevsky Boulevard, the sailors went upstairs and passed through a triumphal arch with an inscription made of flowers to the “Heroes of Chemulpo”. On the boulevard of the sailors were met by representatives of the city government. The mayor presented Stepanov with bread and salt on a silver platter with the emblem of the city and with the inscription: "Hello Odessa to the heroes of the Varyag who surprised the world."

A prayer service was served on the square in front of the Duma building. Then the sailors went to the Sabansky barracks, where a festive table was laid for them. Officers were invited to the cadet school at a banquet hosted by the military department. In the evening, the Varanians in the city theater showed a performance. In the 15 hours of March 20 on the steamer "Saint Nicholas", the warmers went from Odessa to Sevastopol. On the embankments again came the crowd of thousands.

On the approaches to Sevastopol, the steamer met the destroyer with a raised signal "Hello to the brave." The steamer "Saint Nicholas", decorated with flags of colorization, entered the Sevastopol raid. On the battleship Rostislav, his parish was greeted with 7 shots salute. The first commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice Admiral N. I. Skrydlov, was the first to board the ship.

Surpassing the line, he addressed the Varanzhans with a speech: "Great, family, congratulations on the brilliant feat in which they proved that the Russians know how to die; you, like true Russian sailors, surprised the whole world with your selfless bravery, defending the honor of Russia and St. Andrew’s flag, ready to die rather than give the enemy a ship. I am happy to greet you from the Black Sea Fleet and especially here in the long-suffering Sevastopol, a witness and keeper of the glorious military traditions of our native fleet. Here every piece of land is stained with Russian blood. Russian heroes' teniki: I bow low to you from all the Black Sea people, and I can’t resist not to thank you sincerely as your former admiral for the fact that you have so gloriously applied all your instructions to your exercises in battle! our welcome guests! "Varyag" died, but the memory of your exploits is alive and will live for many years. Hurray! "

A memorial service was served at the monument to Admiral P. S. Nakhimov. Then the chief commander of the Black Sea Fleet handed the officers the highest letters to the St. George crosses. It is noteworthy that for the first time St. George's crosses were awarded doctors and mechanics on a par with combat officers. Taking off the George Cross, the admiral pinned him to the captain's uniform of 2 of the rank of V. Stepanov. Varjazhtsev was stationed in the barracks of the 36 fleet crew.

The Tauride Governor asked the chief commander of the port that the Varyag and Koreytsky teams, while traveling to St. Petersburg, stopped for a while in Simferopol to honor the heroes of Chemulpo. The governor explained his request by the fact that his nephew Count A. Nirod was killed in battle.

At this time in St. Petersburg were preparing for a meeting. The Duma adopted the following procedure for honoring the Varangian:

1) at the Nikolaevsk railway station representatives of the city public administration, headed by the mayor and the chairman of the Duma, meet heroes, present bread and salt to the Varyag and Koreans commanders on artistic dishes, invite commanders, officers and class officials to the Duma meeting to announce greetings from cities;

2) the presentation of the address, artistically executed during the expedition of the preparation of state papers, setting forth in it the ordinance of the city council on honoring; giving all officers gifts for a total of 5 thousand rubles;

3) treats the lower ranks of lunch at the People’s House of Emperor Nicholas II; issuing to each lower rank a silver watch with the inscription “Hero of Chemulpo”, stamped with the date of the battle and the name of the person awarded (the watch was allocated from 5 to 6 thousand rubles, and for a treat of the lower ranks - 1 thousand rubles);

4) device in the People's House submission for the lower ranks;

5) the establishment of two scholarships in memory of the heroic deed, which will appoint students of maritime schools - Petersburg and Kronstadt.

6 April 1904 in the French steamer "Krimé" the third and last group of Varangians arrived in Odessa. Among them were captain 1 of rank V.F. Rudnev, captain 2 of rank G.P. Belyaev, lieutenants S.V. Zarubaev and P.G. Stepanov, doctor M.L. Banschikov, paramedic from the battleship Poltava, 217 sailors from Varyag, 157 from Korean, 55 sailors from Sevastopol and 30 Cossacks of the Trans-Baikal Cossack Division guarding the Russian mission in Seoul. The meeting was as solemn as the first time. On the same day, on the steamer "Saint Nicholas", the heroes of Chemulpo went to Sevastopol, and from there 10 of April by the Kursk Railway emergency train - to St. Petersburg via Moscow.

14 April in a huge area near the Kursk railway station, residents of Moscow met the sailors. The orchestras of the Rostov and Astrakhan regiments played on the platform. V. F. Rudnev and G. P. Belyaev were presented with laurel wreaths with inscriptions on white-blue-red ribbons: “Hooray to the brave and glorious hero - the commander of the“ Varyag ”” and “Hurray to the brave and glorious hero - to the commander of the Korean,”. All officers were presented with laurel wreaths without inscriptions, and the lower ranks were given bouquets of flowers. From the station, the sailors headed to the Spassky barracks. The mayor handed the officers gold tokens, and the ship’s priest "Varyag" father Mikhail Rudnev received a golden neck symbol.

16 April at ten o'clock in the morning they arrived in St. Petersburg. The platform was filled with meeting relatives, military, representatives of the administration, nobility, zemstvos and townspeople. The meeting included the Vice-Admiral F. K. Avan, the Marine Department Manager, and Rear-Admiral 3, Chief of the Main Naval Staff. P. Rozhestvensky, his assistant A. G. Niedermiller, Chief Commander of the Port of Kronstadt, Vice Admiral A. A. Birilev, Chief Medical Inspector of the Navy, Life-surgeon V. S. Kudrin, Petersburg Governor, Stallmeister O. D. Zinoviev, Provincial Leader of the Nobility Count VB Gudovich and many others. Grand Duke General-Admiral Alexey Alexandrovich arrived to meet the heroes of Chemulpo.

A special train approached the platform at exactly 10 hours. A triumphal arch, decorated with a state emblem, flags, anchors, St. George ribbons, etc., was erected on the station platform. the palace. Rows of soldiers, a huge number of gendarmes and mounted police barely restrained the onslaught of the crowd. Officers were ahead, followed by the lower ranks. Flowers poured from the windows, balconies and roofs. Through the arch of the General Staff, the heroes of Chemulpo came to the square near the Winter Palace, where they lined up opposite the royal entrance. On the right flank were the Grand Duke General-Admiral Alexey Alexandrovich and the head of the Marine Ministry, Adjutant-General F. K. Avélan. Emperor Nicholas II came to the Varangian people.

He accepted the report, went around the line and greeted the sailors of the Varyag and the Koreytsa. After that, they marched in a ceremonial march and proceeded to the St. George Hall, where the service was held. For the lower ranks in the Nikolaevsky Hall laid the tables. All the dishes were with the image of St. George's crosses. In the concert hall laid a table with a golden service for the highest persons.

Nicholas II addressed the heroes of Chemulpo with a speech: "I am happy, brothers, to see you all healthy and safely returned. Many of you brought with your blood into the annals of our fleet a work worthy of the exploits of your ancestors, grandfathers and fathers who made them in Azov "and" Mercury "; now you have added a new page in your exploit history of our fleet, we added the names of "Varyag" and "Korean" to them. They will also become immortal. I am confident that each of you until the end of his service will remain worthy of the reward that I gave you. All Russia and I, with love and anxious excitement, read about the exploits that you showed at Chemulpo. I sincerely thank you for supporting the honor of the flag of St. Andrew and the dignity of the Great Holy Russia. I drink to further victories of our glorious fleet. For your health, brothers! "

At the officers' table, the emperor announced the establishment of a medal in memory of the battle at Chemulpo for wearing by officers and lower ranks. Then a reception was held in the Alexander Hall of the City Duma. In the evening, everyone gathered in the Folk House of Emperor Nicholas II, where a gala concert was given. The lower ranks were handed gold and silver watches, handed out spoons with silver cuttings. Sailors received a brochure "Peter the Great" and a copy of the address from the St. Petersburg nobility. The next day, the teams went on their own crews. The whole country learned about such a magnificent celebration of the heroes of Chemulpo, and, therefore, about the fighting "Varyag" and "Korean". The people could not appear even a shadow of doubt in the believability of the perfect feat. True, some naval officers doubted the accuracy of the description of the battle.

Fulfilling the last will of the heroes of Chemulpo, the Russian government in 1911 addressed the Korean authorities with a request to allow the ashes of the dead Russian sailors to be transferred to Russia. 9 December 1911. A mourning procession headed from Chemulpo to Seoul, and then by rail to the Russian border. Throughout their journey, the Koreans showered the platform with the remains of sailors with fresh flowers. December 17 mourning procession arrived in Vladivostok. The burial of the remains took place at the Sea Cemetery of the city. In the summer of 1912, an obelisk of gray granite with St. George's Cross appeared over the mass grave. On its four sides were the names of the dead. As it was supposed, the monument was built on public money.

Then about "Varyag" and the varjazhtsy were forgotten for a long time. Remembered only through 50 years. 8 February 1954 issued a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On awarding the sailors of the cruiser Varyag with the medal" For Courage ". At first, only 15 people were found. Here are their names: V. F. Bakalov, A. D. Wojciechowski, D. S. Zalideev, S. D. Krylov, P. M. Kuznetsov, V. I. Krutyakov, I. E. Kaplenkov, M. Ye. Kalinkin, A.I. Kuznetsov, L.G. Mazurets, P.E. Polikov, F.F. Semenov, T.P. Chibisov, A.I. Shketnek and I.F. Yaroslavtsev. The oldest of the Varanzhans, Fedor Fedorovich Semenov, turned 80 years old. Then found the rest. 1954-1955 total The medals were awarded to 50 sailors from Varyag and Koreans. In September, 1956 was opened in Tula a monument to V. F. Rudnev. In the newspaper "Pravda" the fleet admiral N. G. Kuznetsov wrote these days: "The feat of" Varyag "and" Koreyets "entered the heroic history of our people, into the golden fund of the combat traditions of the Soviet fleet."

There are, however, a number of questions. The first question: for what merits so generously rewarded all without exception? Moreover, officers of the Koreyan cannon boat first received another orders with swords, and then simultaneously with the Varangian (at the request of the public), they also received the Order of St. George of the 4 degree, that is, for one feat they were awarded twice! The lower ranks received the insignia of the Military Order - the crosses of St. George. The answer is simple: Emperor Nicholas II didn’t want to start a war with Japan with defeats.

Even before the war, the Admirals of the Naval Ministry reported that they would destroy the Japanese fleet without much difficulty, and if necessary, they could "arrange" the second Sinop. The emperor believed them, and here at once such bad luck! Under Chemulpo, the newest cruiser was lost, and near Port Arthur the ship’s 3 was damaged - the battleships Tsarevich, Retvizan and the cruiser Pallas. Both the emperor and the Navy Ministry "covered" this mistake and misfortune with this heroic sensation. It turned out believable and, most importantly, pompous and effective.

The second question: who "organized" the feat of "Varyag" and "Korean"? The first people called the battle heroic two people - the vicegerent of the emperor in the Far East, Adjutant General Admiral E. A. Alekseev and Vice-Admiral O. A. Stark, senior flagship of the Pacific Squadron. The whole situation testified that war with Japan was about to begin. But they, instead of preparing to repel the surprise attack of the enemy, showed complete carelessness, or rather, criminal negligence.

Fleet readiness was low. The cruiser "Varyag" they themselves had driven into a trap. To accomplish the tasks that they set for station ships at Chemulpo, it was enough to send the old gunboat "Koreyets", which did not represent special combat value, and not to use the cruiser. When the Japanese began to occupy Korea, they did not draw any conclusions for themselves. VF Rudnev also did not have the courage to make a decision about leaving Chemulpo. As you know, the initiative in the fleet has always been punishable.

Due to Alekseev and Stark in Chemulpo, the Varyag and Koreets were left to the mercy of fate. Curious detail. When conducting a strategic game in the 1902 / 03 school year in the Nikolaev Maritime Academy, this situation was lost: in the case of a sudden attack by Japan on Russia, a cruiser and a gunboat were left uncached in Chemulpo. In the game, the destroyers sent to Chemulpo will report the start of the war. The cruiser and the gunboat have time to connect with the Port Arthur Squadron. However, in reality this did not happen.

Question three: why did the commander of the Varyag refuse to break through from Chemulpo and did he have such an opportunity? A false sense of camaraderie worked - "die yourself, but help a comrade out." In the full sense of the word, Rudnev began to depend on a low-speed "Korean" who could reach speeds of no more than 13 nodes. Varyag also had a speed of more than 23 nodes, which is more on 3-5 nodes than on Japanese ships, and on 10 nodes more than on Koreans. So there were good opportunities for an independent breakthrough for Rudnev. On January 24, Rudnev became aware of the severance of diplomatic relations between Russia and Japan. But January 26 morning train Rudnev went to Seoul to the envoy for advice.

When he returned, he only sent 26 minutes to 15 on January 40 with a report to the Port Arthur gunboat "Korean". Again the question: why was the boat so late sent to Port Arthur? This is still unexplained. The Japanese did not release the gunboat from Chemulpo. This war has already begun! Rudnev had one more night left, but did not use it either. Subsequently, the refusal of an independent breakthrough from Chemulpo Rudnev explained the difficulties of a navigational nature: the fairway in the port of Chemulpo was very narrow, winding, and the outer raid was full of dangers. Everyone knows that. Indeed, entry into Chemulpo in low tide, that is, during a low tide, is very difficult.

Rudnev didn’t seem to know that the height of the tides at Chemulpo reaches 8-9 meters (the maximum height of the tide to 10 meters). With the draft of the 6,5 cruiser meter into full evening water, it was still possible to break through the Japanese blockade, but Rudnev did not use it. He stopped at the worst option - to break through during the low tide and together with the "Korean." What this decision led to, we all know.

Now about the fight itself. There is reason to believe that the artillery was not used quite correctly on the Varyag cruiser. The Japanese had a huge superiority in strength, which they successfully implemented. This is evident from the damage that "Varyag" received.

According to the Japanese themselves, in the battle of Chemulpo their ships remained unharmed. In the official edition of the Japanese Naval General Staff "Description of military operations at sea in 37-38 Meiji (in 1904-1905)" (v. I, 1909) read: "In this battle, the enemy shells never hit to our courts and we have not suffered the slightest loss. " But the Japanese could lie.

Finally, the last question: why did Rudnev not put the ship out of operation, and sank it with a simple discovery of the Kingston? The cruiser was essentially "donated" to the Japanese navy. The motivation of Rudnev, that the explosion could damage foreign ships, is untenable. Now it becomes clear why Rudnev resigned. In the Soviet editions, the resignation is explained by Rudnev’s involvement in revolutionary affairs, but this is a fiction. In such cases in the Russian fleet with the production of rear admirals and with the right to wear the uniform did not dismiss. Everything is explained much more simply: the naval officers did not accept Rudnev into their corps for the admitted misses in the battle at Chemulpo. Rudnev himself realized this. At first he was temporarily in the position of commander of the battleship Andrei Pervozvanny under construction, then he filed a resignation report. Now, it seems, everything fell into place.

It turned out not very beautiful. Not like in the legend. But it turned out the way it happened. In my opinion, it was the first Russian action of “black PR”. But not the last. Our history knows many examples when the stupidity, indecision and cowardice of commanders were paid for in blood by soldiers and sailors.

Used materials of the article V.D. Dotsenko "Cruiser" Varyag "- unknown pages of history"

On the slipway before launching

View on the forecastle


View of the conning tower


View from the left wing of the aft bridge


Wheelhouse


Cabin company


Ship church


Boatswain team on poop


View of the aft bridge




1901 year


The group of the Varyag machine crew, headed by a junior mechanical engineer K.R. Smoker


Cruiser Varyag and battleship Poltava In the West Basin of Port Arthur, November 1902


Pacific squadron in the inner harbor of Port Arthur, 1902 g


The cruiser Varyag - Soya.
During World War I, the Russian Empire and Japan became allies. In 1916, the cruiser "Soya" (along with a number of other ships) was bought by Russia. 4 April, the Japanese flag was lowered and the 5 April 1916, the cruiser was transferred to Vladivostok. After that, under the former name "Varyag" was included in the flotilla of the Arctic Ocean (made the transition from Vladivostok to Romanov-on-Murman) as part of the detachment of special purpose ships under the command of Rear Admiral Bestuzhev-Rumin


Arrival in Vladivostok of the former Russian ships. Cruiser 'Varyag', 'Poltava', 'Peresvet'


The cruiser Varyag after landing on stones near the village of Lendelfoot in Scotland, 1920
In February, 1917 of the year went for repairs to the UK, where it was confiscated by the British, because the Soviet government refused to pay for repairs. In 1920, resold to German companies for scrap. In 1925, when towing, the ship hit a storm and sank off the coast in the Irish Sea. Part of the metal structures was then removed by local residents. Was subsequently blown up
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  1. +10
    13 December 2012 09: 33
    Damn, the author, well, you and ... am
    How much can you replicate nonsense about the fact that
    1) Varyag could develop 23 node
    2) That Varyag (even if he had these 23 ties) could break through. This is how I threw myself into a wild boar, would have sprinkled along the whole line of Japanese ships, only they could see him, yes ?! The cruiser did not get close to the Japanese ships at all, but lost more than 20% of the crew (more than, for example, the Eagle in Tsushima or Derflinger in Jutland) killed or wounded (except for light wounded) - what would happen to him if he tried to meet the same Asam short up?
    3) That Varyag had the opportunity to leave at night. 2 Japanese destroyers at the fairway - and all guaranteed Khan cruiser. We consider Uriu an idiot, or what?
    4) That the cruiser was donated to the Japanese. Hrenase - donated. The ship was more than reliably launched before the end of the war - despite the fact that the Japanese started lifting the ship right there, it was possible to lift it only in October 1905 was repaired before 1907. Who could have known that we would lose the war? Who could have known that the Japanese would spit on the international status of the port?
    Blow up Rudnev cruiser and (all of a sudden such a miracle) win our Russian-Japanese you and your kind would write something like this now:
    "Rudnev was seized by panic ... He didn’t think that the Japanese could have raised the damaged cruiser until the end of the war, he didn’t think that the sea nations would simply not allow such a rise - all he thought about at that moment - this is to reliably hide the evidence of a poorly conducted battle - because he blew up the cruiser, depriving the Russian fleet of a first-class ship. For destroying the cruiser unnecessarily, Rudnev, subsequently, was not accepted as an officer and he was forced to resign "
    By the way, how did it become known that Rudnev did not accept the officers? Links - in the studio. Just you can not work - all this is sucked out of ... well, let's say, the finger of the abacus / chornovil
    Rudnev, after the battle he carried out, they were assigned to the BEST AND MOST POWERFUL ship of the Russian Empire - "Andrew the First-Called" - his sister ship Paul 1 was being completed nearby, and there was nothing else like this in the Russian fleet. From the commander of an armored cruiser to the best ship in the fleet! Is this not a recognition of merit ?!
    especially admired this
    In the Soviet editions, the resignation is explained by Rudnev’s involvement in revolutionary affairs, but this is a fiction. In such cases in the Russian fleet with the production of rear admirals and with the right to wear the uniform did not dismiss.

    Rudnev's deliberate lie was NOT involved in revolutionary matters, but he refused to take disciplinary measures against the revolutionary-minded sailors of his crew. In essence, there was a gathering of sailors, and there was nothing revolutionary about it - but the authorities demanded to sort it out and punish. Rudnev refused, because there was nothing to punish - the sailors did not do anything wrong. For what he was fired.
    1. +1
      13 December 2012 11: 03
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Links - to the studio

      At the link WHERE? Except if so if not a single reasonable argument. No matter how you spit here historical facts do not change! And they are not in favor of Rudnev.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +4
        13 December 2012 11: 14
        What are the facts against Rudnev? They seem to be only in your imagination ...
        1. -1
          14 December 2012 05: 03

          Handsome, is not it? And they say before "Varyag" was called. Or is this an example to me?
          1. +2
            9 June 2018 22: 18
            Quote: Leksander
            Handsome, is not it? And they say before "Varyag" was called. Or is this an example to me?

            No, not an example. And yes, handsome. But that's all. For the Japanese, he was more than useless. Raised it 8 August 1905 g. - two weeks before the end of the war, put into operation after the repair - two years later. All seven years used as a training ship.

            And more. We have become a fashion trend to vilify your story. Let it be so, let's write everything down to the "mysterious Russian soul." But what about practical and never sentimental Japanese? From what fright they not only left the inscription "Varyag" in the stern, but also during the ascent (obviously, already knowing the future fate of the cruiser) they made the inscription "On this ship we will teach you how to love your Motherland." Had everything been as you and many others think, the Japanese would hardly be filled with such respect for the defeated enemy. In any case, in relation to the ships and sailors of the Second Pacific Squadron after Tsushima, such reverence was not observed. Obviously, the Japanese knew better who and how fought against them ...
      2. +3
        13 December 2012 12: 01
        Quote: Leksander
        At the very link WHERE?

        Dear friend - if the author of this work makes some statement - that Varyag developed the 23 node - this is a lie to him and confirm. Links, yes.
        But personally for you - the lie that Varyag supposedly could have given the 23 node went from the abacus / chornovil. Here is what Chornovil writes about this
        The facts show that even after this installation of the head bearing of the right machine, the cruiser reached a much higher speed. 12 November "Varyag" went to sea for the run-in of bearings at slow speed. On the tests of November 15 for running-in at medium and full speeds were attended by members of a special commission set up to test the mechanisms and survey boilers on the squadron ships: flagship mechanical engineer A. A. Lukyanov (chairman), port mechanical engineer V. N. Shilov and a group of mechanics from the ships of the squadron. Trials lasted three hours. The frequency was brought to 130 rpm, which corresponded to the test speed of 22.1 nodes. On the whole 8 nodes it is more, than, Rudnev asserted.
        http://abakus.narod.ru/chem/3.html
        Here are just a quote not fully. We read Melnikov
        15 November tests lasted only three hours, the speed with 80 was brought to 130 rpm, but then turned down to 50 - the bearings warmed up again.
        http://www.navy.su/navybook/melnikov/varyag/06.html
        Those. Chornovil wrote about the speed up to 22,1 knots, but about the fact that the speed had to be dropped from 130 to 50 (which roughly corresponds to 14 knots) - "I forgot"
        But this is the 15 test of November, and what was on the test of November 12? And that's what
        In the afternoon of October 9, after completing the assembly of the right car, we tested both cars on moorings and spent the next day at sea on trial. At the request from Golden Mountain, the semaphore “for the report to the governor” was answered that the machines worked fine and well, the rotational speed was adjusted to 110 rpm corresponding to 16 knots. However, in reality there was a case of a decrease in speed due to the heating of the aft head bearing of the high-pressure cylinder of the left machine.
        (ibid)
        Enough? Or what else do you need to confirm with links?
        1. 0
          13 December 2012 15: 52
          Andrei, I would also like to see a link to the true reasons for the dismissal of Rudnev.
          1. +1
            13 December 2012 16: 37
            Generally, it was at Schickman and somewhere else, but it was difficult to find it in a go - I did not keep this link, alas. While I can offer this here http://guns.arsenalnoe.ru/m/461/rudnew_wsewolod_fedorowich.html
            In November, 1905 was dismissed with production in the rank of counter-dying for not preventing the sailors from organizing a rally condemning the royal Manifesto of October October 17.

            You see, what's the matter - the 17 manifesto of October 1905 of the year was just RESOLVED and proclaimed such civil freedoms as freedom of speech, freedom of alliances and freedom of assembly (ie the right to hold rallies, pickets, demonstrations, etc.). Here, the sailors gathered for a rally that condemned this Manifesto. - but it turned out to be ridiculous - Rudnev is demanded to punish the sailors for being permitted by the sovereign emperor himself!
            I must say that the manifesto of October 17 was prepared in private, many people didn’t know about it, not that captains - mayors. The manifesto was prepared in complete secrecy, no pre-notification was sent to the field, and after the publication of the manifesto - no explanation. The Minister of the Interior himself found out about him at the same time as other inhabitants!
            Nobody understood how to understand it and how to interpret it. Officials and dignitaries flooded the capital with letters asking for clarification ... And they demanded Rudnev for incorrect (wrong?) Understanding of the Manifesto to punish sailors. He refused, although he knew that it might end badly for him - but ... he did not go against his conscience
        2. 0
          14 December 2012 05: 57
          Confirm. of course:

          Justify eloquently with emotions, as you know how, that it was better for the "Varyag" than if he broke through with a fight or died heroically during the battle inflicting at least some damage to the enemy, or would be blown up so that the enemy did not get it, or at least was flooded in the fairway, not thrown into shallow water. Confirm that the worst possible scenario was correct.
          1. +1
            14 December 2012 08: 06
            Quote: Leksander
            that it turned out to be better for "Varyag" than if he broke through with a fight

            Varyag could not break through with the fight
            Quote: Leksander
            or died heroically during a battle, causing any damage to the enemy,

            Are you sure that you didn’t? :))) All your "knowledge" that the Varyag did not cause damage to Japanese ships is based on the fact that “Top secret history of the Russian-Japanese war at sea in 37-38 biennium Meiji ”This is a monumental work, which includes about 150 volumes, 600 pages each. His story is as follows
            At the beginning of 1904, the deputy head of MGSH (Japanese Essessno) I. Goro ordered the collection of information on the course of the Russo-Japanese war at sea, and appointed the official responsible secretary of the editorial board who had already compiled the History of the Sino-Japanese War at Sea. Since June 1904 All the squadron commanders and commanders of the naval areas, according to MGS orders, were obliged to send to the secretary all documents and materials on the course of the hostilities. The Japanese really sought to collect the most honest story of what would happen in the war at sea, but ...
            At the time of the battle with Varyag, this order did not yet exist in nature. This battle was subsequently, simply reconstructed from official reports of Uriu and other commanders.
            But the thing is - when reality disagrees with the code of samurai honor, the Japanese lie without blushing. If you are interested in the history of the war of the United States and Japan in WWII - you will find out that the Japanese in 1944-45, according to official reports, at least TWICE drowned the entire Pacific Navy of the USA (this is a 58 OS)
            "Varyag" acted in strict accordance with the canons of samurai honor. Fought against the squadron. Gone undefeated. And in front of the many times the strongest enemy, he contemptuously committed seppuku, preventing the Japanese from defeating him. (Yes, yes. In YOUR vision, it would be better for the Varyag to die fighting, but if you took the trouble to study the Japanese perception at least a little .... If the Varyag died in battle, it would be a VICTORY for the Japanese. But the suicide of the Varyag led to the fact that the Japanese did not hold victory in that battle) That is why the Japanese reacted with such reverence to the feat of the Varyag, that is why the emperor awarded Rudnev. All the nonsense that the Japanese supposedly thanked Rudnev in such a way for the allegedly donated cruiser, the eggs are not worth a damn - they could have awarded money for betrayal, but never with an order and memory. Betray Rudnev to Russia - in Japan they would not remember him for long and with contempt "Gaijin, what can you take from them ..."
            But to suffer damage from the many times weakest, and even undefeated enemy? !!! This is, generally speaking, a shame.
            1. +1
              14 December 2012 08: 07
              That is why it is absolutely impossible to exclude that the truth about the battle at Chemulpo went to "Meiji", but its "lacquered" version.
              It could be differently - this work was processed and systematized after the war for several years, during this time from there it is not something to document which ubar - you could shove a pink elephant. Then it was printed in 300 copies and sent to various places, including maritime academies, for study by cadets. So it may well be that there were 2 "meiji" - one true, the second - "to raise the fighting spirit and educate the younger generation"
              But further - more interesting.
              By 1945, all the available volumes were destroyed, and the last full copy from the imperial library was withdrawn by the command of the US occupation forces and only a few years later was returned to Japan.
              Do you know who presented the secret Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to the world? Americans But for some reason, not the originals, but photocopies (and with a number of very gross errors, which the Russians and Germans could hardly have made at the time of signing the document). Not in the American archives, not in ours, not in the Germans and nowhere else.
              So, I would not trust the documents that have passed through American pens.
              Quote: Leksander
              or at least was flooded in the fairway

              And then the same UK would ask from Russia in full for blocking its ship in an international port? wassat
              I just adore today's "historians" who see a historical event as a kind of spherical horse in a vacuum that has nothing to do with the reality in which this event took place.
              The French, the British, the Americans closed their eyes to the numerous violations of international maritime law by the Japanese. But do you really think that they would also have closed their eyes to the violation of such Russians? !!
              1. 0
                15 December 2012 05: 14
                Dear you are our today's "historian", in place of emoticons, references would not look bad. And there is no need to talk long and tediously about the Japanese mendacity, it is enough to indicate what and in what quantity the Varyag sank.
                While raving about samurai honor, do not forget that we are talking about a Russian officer (Rudnev) and an inanimate object ("Varyag"). The first one should act in accordance with this oath (without regard to samurai concepts), the second one cannot independently leave the battle or make himself a hara-kiri on the bottom. A cruiser without a crew is a pile of iron. In this particular case, lying on the shallows.
                1. +1
                  16 December 2012 22: 51
                  Quote: Leksander
                  Dear you are our today's "historian", in place of emoticons, references would not look bad

                  I gave links for now enough. Now you give. At least one. Does the article have links? Not. Do you have links? Not. So what are you talking about?
                  Quote: Leksander
                  And there is no need to talk long and tediously about Japanese deceit, it is enough to indicate what and in what quantity the Varyag was sunk.

                  What is described in the report of Rudnev.
                  Quote: Leksander
                  The first is to act according to this oath (without regard to samurai concepts)

                  Well, and in what Rudnev broke the oath, and? But without these common phrases of yours, that everyone should have been drowned, one should stay :))) let's, a fan of links, with links to specific articles of the charter and enlighten us - what the Rudnev charter violated
                  And we honor
                  1. 0
                    17 December 2012 02: 01
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    I have given enough links so far.

                    Link to this fiction consider sufficient?
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    http://www.navy.su/navybook/melnikov/varyag/06.html


                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    What is described in the report of Rudnev.

                    Well, who would doubt his words! I just would like to know in more detail the names of the sunken ships, who and when investigated this Japanese underwater scrap, where is the memorial to the Japanese sailors who died at Chemulpo? Enlighten us. You are a specialist in this matter. Share your knowledge.
                    1. +1
                      17 December 2012 06: 56
                      Quote: Leksander
                      Link to this fiction consider sufficient?

                      Refute :))) With links :)))
                      1. 0
                        18 December 2012 01: 09
                        ... in the consciousness of a person subject to the influence of myth, he (myth) can be supplanted only by another myth, but not by facts.
                        http://abakus.narod.ru/chem/1.html wassat wassat wassat
                      2. 0
                        18 December 2012 02: 29
                        It is better to accustom people to the idea that they will not be saved - if they fail to save their ship, than to accustom them to abandon their ship when it is still fully operational.

                        Admiral S.O. Makarov
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        "Varyag" acted in strict accordance with the canons of samurai honor. Fought against the squadron. Gone undefeated. And in front of the many times strongest opponent, he contemptuously committed seppuku, preventing the Japanese from defeating him

                        Not ships, but people are fighting. Admiral S.O. Makarov
      3. 0
        13 March 2018 21: 40
        Quote: Leksander
        No matter how you spit here historical facts do not change! And they are not in favor of Rudnev.

        Remember once and for all! No one gave you the right to revise the heroism of these heroes. In the end, it is on such feats that a generation is brought up and in a different country you are at least so would be ostracized. People went to their deaths and comments are unnecessary ...
        Without respect!
    2. buzhor
      0
      19 January 2014 12: 25
      The Japanese demanded from "Varyag" and "Koreyets" that they leave the Chemulpo raid, otherwise fire would be opened at them.
      Captain Rudnev did just that - left.
      Obviously, he understood that they won’t let him just leave - war. In international waters, as soon as the ships are there, they attack. Which is what happened. This is my conclusion, I'm not sure that I'm right, but most likely.
      The vicissitudes of the battle and whether there was a feat is a special topic. My question is this.
      U. Chornovil in a famous work
      http://abakus.narod.ru/chem/1.html
      / writes:
      11: 40/12: 15. “Korean” crosses the border of international waters. Now the Japanese are free from diplomatic restrictions and can turn to the Russians as enemies. The signal “I suggest surrendering on honorable conditions” rises on the mast of “Naniva”. Asama rehearses the signal. Either Uriu continued to cheat on Rudnev so that he would not change his mind at the last moment and turn to the port, or, on the contrary, he decided to check the possibility that the enemy would suddenly decide to surrender. Russians do not answer.
      And he:
      Rudnev, having advanced the thesis about the Japanese “non-victory”, is trying to replace the tasks facing Uriu. He persistently declares that, allegedly, the main task of the Japanese was to force the “Varangian” to surrender (treating the “surrender” as raising a white flag). But no Japanese order speaks of such a goal. Neutralization, internment, at best - annihilation. That the "Varangian" will fall into their hands so intact that it could be used as their own - the Japanese, planning the operation, did not even dare to dream about.
      Where is the truth? How to surrender if without a white flag? The first quote confirms that the Russians did not give up. This is already something.
      The second quote refutes the first. Force to leave the raid and then force to surrender. What is not the task? In accordance with it and acted.
      I ask for clarification.
    3. 0
      26 January 2019 13: 13
      It's 2019 now. Today I read Skomorokhov's work. It's good that you wrote a series of articles about the cruiser "Varyag" in 2018. Excellent answer. And this "work", now, reads like ... damn it, and the word is hard to find, like babbling in a kindergarten of an offended child. Yes, everything is learned by comparison.
  2. Brother Sarych
    +6
    13 December 2012 10: 21
    Now you can wave your hands a lot and for a long time, could you leave or not! Personally, I think that I would not have been able to leave in any case, but I completely agree that there was nothing to do in Chumulpo Varyag ...
    There were many miscalculations, of course ... Why should PR be black? The usual, all explainable, supported the fighting spirit of the fleet with a solemn meeting of heroes ...
    About the fact that the officers of the fleet did not accept Rudnev - and who should they accept? What has the fleet turned into? From the Baltic Fleet there were horns and legs, some had to go through the humiliation of lowering the flag in front of the enemy, which was previously very rare in the Russian Imperial Navy ...
    1. AK-47
      +2
      13 December 2012 11: 48
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Why should PR be black?

      I agree.
      Of all the options for attitude to sailors: bad, none, good - the most correct option has been chosen.
  3. +3
    13 December 2012 10: 29
    Lies and PR are synonyms!
    I was always amazed why "We blew up the Koreyets ourselves and the Varyag was sunk by us." After all, they really gave the cruiser to the Japanese, but this is a mistake of the command.
    The feat of sailors and officers is beyond doubt!
  4. +10
    13 December 2012 10: 53
    Everything that says that Rudnev did not calculate the situation and did not leave Chemulpo before he was blocked and other nonsense, since Rudnev was performing a diplomatic mission under the Russian envoy in Korea and could not make a decision on his own, had no right. Likewise, the command of the Armed Forces of the USSR without a command, did not show loyalty to the oath and did not suppress the "democrats", which led to sad consequences.
  5. +3
    13 December 2012 11: 20
    Most likely the truth is somewhere in between. The country always needs heroes. The fact that the "Varyag" went to certain death, you can argue as much as you like now, but the sailors have earned the right to recognize them as heroes. Yes, they did not fulfill the assigned task, but the Japanese at least found out with whom they had to fight. Perhaps the fact that the "Koreets" followed the "Varyag" and was not sunk before the battle was Rudnev's mistake. there was no significant help from him in battle. On the other hand, his eight-inch guns (and on the Uriu ships such guns were only on the Asama) did not allow the Japanese to come to a closer distance.
    The only thing they are breaking spears about now is the losses of the Russians and the Japanese in that battle. Where is the correct data. Rudnev reported severe damage to two Japanese cruisers and the destruction of a destroyer. The Japanese, on the other hand, write that all Russian shells went into "milk" and they had no losses. Still, we must assume that the Japanese are godlessly lying, underestimating their losses throughout the war. Whatever the training of Russian sailors, it is very difficult to believe in such a waste of shells and that no shell would cover the target.
  6. dema46
    +2
    13 December 2012 11: 23
    we are strange. no one speaks about the exploits of the authorities. does anyone doubt the exploit of the crew of our ship? take the tths of the asama. the armored cruiser against the armored deck. 4e 203 mm guns and plus 152x mm-e in towers and casemates against bare 152 mm cane with problems in the lifts! Yes, the problems with the Nikloss Koi boilers were imposed on our Americans because of what he did not go at the stated speed. Yes, plus a few, albeit small but armored cruisers. Yes, destroyers. I would go to the place of the rudnev to drink cognac to the French to the cruiser, and they went to the Japanese. The Japanese praised them, and they criticize us. That's wise. They didn’t blow up because the bombing on the Korean scared everyone in the raid and they were asked not to blow up the Vikings. And that they had to go against the demands of the commanders other ships in the raid? and the wounded were then placed on foreign ships, only the Americans did not take anyone.
  7. +4
    13 December 2012 11: 28
    And I feel sorry for the ship ..
    Fate did not ask.
    Some ... go-go, stand-stand, rust slowly, written off - on needles. Normal fate.
    Others ... explode in no time, they are remembered. Hood, for example.
    The third - valiantly fight with the whole fleet, perish. Also remember - Bismarck.
    Different fates of ships.
    ..
    And so zigzagged and meaningless at the end, like the Varangian - to search.
    Either Russian, then drown, then Japanese, then again Russian .. then scrap metal on stones.
    ..
    There wouldn’t be one single-battle, which you can talk about - and they wouldn’t know what it was, such a cruiser, with the proud name of Varyag.
    One thing pleases - knowing that the battle is pointless - ours still dragged themselves to fight. In narrow, low tide.
    So it is in Russian.
    Glory to the fleet.
  8. maxiv1979
    +1
    13 December 2012 13: 06
    yes, it’s not entirely clear how Rudnev acted and what circumstances he was connected at that time, full scope for debate and research). Here's another curious, what kind of loss did the Japanese suffer from the fire of the Varangian, were there really no hits?
    1. 0
      13 December 2012 15: 17
      Undoubtedly, the Japanese fleet was damaged ... inflicting severe damage to the cruisers Asama and Takachio. Everyone knows about this .... and the Japanese, too.
  9. +1
    13 December 2012 14: 27
    My dad in 55 served as a gunner in the Baltic on the Admiral Lazarev cruiser, he said that 2 sailors from the Varyag and one from the Potemkin came to their cruiser, he even had a photo of three old men with half-meter beards and George, surrounded by sailors, I remember the photo well. But after that I got lost somewhere in connection with the move. My father had a lot of photos from the service, because this is also a story.
  10. 0
    13 December 2012 15: 24
    The author of the article, to put it mildly, is simply not a good person. I would not like to read more of his article on this venerable site.
  11. +1
    13 December 2012 18: 47
    the author of the radish! sitting at the computer, we are all Nelsons and ushakovs, please do not touch our shrines with our sharpened hands under a member! Hello everyone from the Baltic! fellow
  12. zemlyak
    0
    13 December 2012 20: 07
    Not tired of poking around in history? We live by the principle of Grishka Rasputin: `` The nastier, the better. '' How much can you? Article minus, thanks for the photo.
  13. slava.iwasenko
    0
    5 January 2013 19: 42
    The article made me think belay
  14. +1
    9 February 2018 22: 30
    There are no words. Author, where is the logic ???
    You are writing an article about the events of 100 years ago. It is you who have chosen this out of the many events that took place, and not any other.
    So it is still significant, since it is remembered after 100 years.
    For comparison, other significant events of February 1904 (Julian calendar):
    - 05,02 - the end of the American occupation of Cuba
    - 07.02 - fire in Baltimore (USA), 1500 houses burned down
    - 10.02 - attack of the Russian squadron on the Port Arthur raid, the beginning of the REV
    - 17.02 - premiere of the opera Madame Butterfly, D. Puccini
    - 23.02 - US seizure of control over the area of ​​the Panama Canal under construction
    But you yourself chose the battle of the Varangian and the Korean with the squadron adm.Uriu.
    So V. Rudnev did absolutely right! It was his decision to break out of Chemulpo, to return to the raid, to the explosion of the Korean and the flooding of the Varangian, immortalized the names of the ships and his own!
    Otherwise, why do you come back to these events over and over a hundred years later?
    Since everything is so bad, write about J. Puccini - a wonderful composer!
    Or the significance of the Americans taking control of the Panama Canal zone. Already this event is beyond any doubt and now has an impact on world politics and the economy.
  15. 0
    10 October 2018 05: 59
    Quote: pacific
    10.02 - attack of the Russian squadron on the Port Arthur raid, beginning of the RVE

    And not February 9th? (more precisely, from 8 to 9) what