When the Merkava will be in Ukraine

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When the Merkava will be in Ukraine


"Chariot" for marriage


There are no neutral countries now. Once, Sweden and Switzerland were conditionally referred to as such, but times have changed dramatically. If the first is already five minutes to NATO and is actively supplying weapon Ukraine, the latter retained its “pacifist” principles for a surprisingly long time. In early June, under pressure from propaganda and the military-political leadership of Western countries, the Senate supported an amendment to lift the ban on the re-export of Swiss weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.



Do not think that Bern will only allow the resale of 35 mm anti-aircraft shells tanks Gepard, which Germany has been asking for so long. The Swiss have in stock the Piranha III infantry fighting vehicles, which were once supplied to the Germans and Danes. The gradual depletion of stocks of military equipment is forcing the leading countries of the West to put pressure on states that adhere to neutrality, albeit formally. In addition, the arms market is hotter than ever, and the Swiss simply cannot afford not to cash in.

On June 15, the upper house of parliament voted to sell 25 Leopards of the second series from the decommissioned ones at once. They will not be sold directly to Ukraine, but first to Germany, which will keep the tanks in return for those given to Kyiv. Such a simple Teutonic trick. Do not forget about the hard work of the country's defense plants, which are simply inundated with orders. For example, the local branch of Rheinmetall is forced to increase the pace of production - more than 85 percent of the production goes abroad.

Switzerland's exit from 200 years of neutrality will set a great precedent for other countries trying to feign neutrality. The time of the special operation is frankly dragged out, which adds chances to the negotiators from the Western countries. The first of these fell the Israeli fortress. Jerusalem announced the upcoming export of two hundred Merkava Mk 2 and Mk 3 to two unnamed countries, one of which is definitely European. IN stories quite a lot of unknowns. First of all, who in Europe will receive the Israeli "Chariots". Secondly, whether the possibility of re-exporting the tanks will be discussed. This, of course, is about the resale of cars to Ukraine.


The decision of the Israelis to make money on the sale of tanks from storage looks quite surprising. It is surprising that the United States, continuously sponsoring the defense of Israel, persuaded Jerusalem to do so just now. Tanks are now in great short supply on world markets. Good tanks all the more. NATO during the day with fire is looking for where to get a satisfactory illiquid asset for Ukraine. Just in time, two hundred good cars are thrown up for sale at once. Some even consider the Merkava the best tank in the world. True, not the Mk 2 and 3 series, but the modern Mk 4 with the Trophy active protection system. But the sale of such a number of tanks to a third country will release armored vehicles for Ukrainian needs somewhere. These are the laws of the market, nothing can be done.

As a result, Israel's desire to make money on the world tank "hype" in any case is rather positive for Kyiv and negative for Moscow. Moreover, the Kiev regime has long lusted for the "Chariot", however, in the most modern version with KAZ. Now Israel does not directly supply weapons to Ukraine. The main reason is the unwillingness to spoil relations with Russia in relation to the situation in Syria. The Kremlin does indeed retain significant control in the region, and if you add close ties to Iran to this, then the picture for the Israelis becomes alarming. But that's why they are red lines to push them away.

Non-zero probability


According to open information, either Cyprus or Croatia will be the European recipients of Israeli tanks. In both cases, this is bad. news. Countries support sanctions against Russia, although Cyprus, due to close ties with our country, is not particularly fierce on this front.

The story of the sale of Israeli tanks looks like another test of the Russian reaction. The sale has been announced, but no buyers have been announced. Why? If you have already opened your mouth, then announce the entire list. Jerusalem is waiting for the Kremlin's reaction or, on the contrary, is trying to cover its tracks. Let it be for a while. And if nothing critical follows, then the tanks will calmly leave for Europe. Further, it is realistic to consider two scenarios for the development of events. The first is conditional Croatia or Cyprus receiving Merkava with the entire service infrastructure without the possibility of re-export to third countries. After some time, the Knessed adopts an amendment and allows these states to resell military equipment. That's when the Merkava go to Ukraine - the Croats and Cypriots will certainly get a good shot for this. Even with the most favorable outcome for the Kyiv regime, they will not receive tanks until the spring of next year. First, a pause is necessary for the sake of decency, then many months of training for tankers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and only then delivery. In the autumn-winter-spring period, 65-ton machines will go up the tower to the Ukrainian black soil, so only summer operation. Obviously, this time NATO instructors will approach the training of tank crews more carefully. One of the obvious gaps in the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Zaporozhye was the hasty training of tankers - it will not be possible to train effective operators of difficult foreign equipment in 4-6 weeks. Merkava, on the one hand, is a special tank due to the front-engine layout, the German 120-mm cannon and good armor. On the other hand, it is difficult to imagine how Ukrainians will service such an exotic car. There are no service centers in Europe, as for Leopard and Challenger, and are not expected. However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in integrity and safety still need to hold out until next summer.

The second option, and it is more realistic, is to transfer tanks to Ukraine from the presence of the armies of Cyprus and Croatia. The former have at least 80 T-80U tanks, the latter have 75 M-84s. The Croatian tank is actually a T-72 with a different name. So they will go to Ukraine as soon as Merkava is decided to be transferred to Europe. From a political point of view, it is desirable for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to receive Israeli vehicles. Nazi channels are already choosing a place on the armor where they will stick the Balkenkreuz - the identification mark of the Wehrmacht. Will such a shameful prospect stop the Israelis? A rhetorical question, the answer to which is obvious. From a military point of view, the proven and well-mastered Soviet-style T-80U and M-84 vehicles are much more profitable for the Ukrainian army. But the cars will get lost in the crowd, losing the symbolism of support for the Nazi regime by recent victims of the Holocaust.

A little about Russia's retaliatory measures. Of course, the Kremlin has more freedom here than in the case of reining in the "pooping Englishwoman." Starting from Syria, in which Israel now feels at ease, and ending with Iran with its unfinished nuclear program. The oil monarchies of the Middle East are also not happy with the very existence of Israel. Theoretically, there is something to answer for Merkava. The question is, will we answer? Or will we wait for Israeli armor in the Donbass?

In pursuit of the news about the sale of Merkava, we mention hundreds of M113 armored personnel carriers that are gathering dust in Israeli boxes. The machines have been replaced by the heavy Namer and Eitan. Until recently, the Tsakhal did not know what to do with them - the equipment is frankly outdated and poorly suited for war even with partisan detachments. But Ukraine's melting pot will gobble up everything, and for a good margin for the seller.

If appropriate, a little positive at the end of the story. Merkava, no matter how idealized in the West, is just an armored vehicle with a good gun. She does not shoot and is not controlled by fashionable artificial intelligence. Overweight and focused on a strictly specific theater of operations, to which Ukraine belongs last. An example of German tanks, which, with the proper level of resistance, are quite on fire, once again confirms the thesis - the main thing is not iron, but the ability to use it.
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  1. +7
    20 June 2023 03: 46
    Judging by the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in tanks and the difficulty in mastering, maintaining, repairing, spare parts for the Merkav, these Chariots will go to countries that own good old Soviet armored vehicles. And this same Soviet armored vehicle will immediately be in / on, which will not cause any problems with its use, maintenance, repair.
    1. +12
      20 June 2023 04: 25
      Jews have always supported and financed the Nazis. Yes, and Israel itself is quite a fascist state. So there is nothing surprising that Jews support fascist Ukraine.
      Zelensky will also hold a parade from Merkava tanks with a Balkenkreuz on armor in Babi Yar.
      A fascist to a fascist willy-nilly brother. (C) Brother.
      1. +9
        20 June 2023 05: 30
        Quote: Bearded
        Jews have always supported and financed the Nazis. Yes, and Israel itself is quite a fascist state. So there is nothing surprising that Jews support fascist Ukraine.
        Zelensky will also hold a parade from Merkava tanks with a Balkenkreuz on armor in Babi Yar.
        A fascist to a fascist willy-nilly brother. (C) Brother.

        I don’t know how the Nazis are, but for some reason the pseudo-patriots are the same everywhere. A lot of militant howling, patriotic slogans and blaming everyone around for all sins. But you won't see them on the battlefield. Curious, don't you think? request
        1. +2
          20 June 2023 07: 25
          This is a dead end - tanks without aircraft in the Trench War. Most likely, both sides will (begin) to produce MLRS of huge caliber and power, as an analogue of "Big Bertha" and dig tunnels ...
        2. 0
          20 June 2023 07: 36
          All this is due to the fact that our leadership, with the beginning of the NWO, took the position of an ostrich, forgetting what dear partners can do with the exposed place.
          The most appropriate step for our country is the complete deoligirhalization of the country and the nationalization of the extractive industries, as well as the military-industrial complex, metallurgy, aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, automotive and heavy engineering, as well as the electronics industry. A positive bonus will be the almost complete deprivation of income from operations to plunder Russia, Cyprus, and other enemy countries.
          And Israel. If instead of bandits like Chemezov, the military-industrial complex and the country will be run by competent people focused on results, then very soon the SVO will end in our victory, and then the surplus production of our military-industrial complex can really be directed to the rearmament of Iran and the Syrian army, for testing against those who are now helping our enemies, there are many targets vulnerable to modern weapons.
          1. +6
            20 June 2023 08: 57
            Yeah, on pfem they have already spoken about the deoligarchization and nationalization of industries. And it will be as they said, not as you wrote.
          2. +3
            20 June 2023 09: 13
            The idea is good. And who will perform it? The parliamentary opposition, will this be done or the ruling party with the boss? smile
          3. +5
            20 June 2023 09: 23
            Quote: ramzay21
            The most appropriate step for our country is the complete deoligirhalization of the country and the nationalization of the extractive industries, as well as the military-industrial complex, metallurgy, aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, automotive and heavy engineering, as well as the electronics industry.

            And who will carry out such radical measures?
            Maybe a revived SMERSH led by Solovyov?
            The most adequate in the current situation would be the launch of defense industry enterprises at full capacity and the maximum build-up of defense products in all the required range and quantity. As well as an increase in the strength of the RF Armed Forces to the level of 2 million (so far a decision has been made on the size of the RF Armed Forces at 1,5 million) and the corresponding armament and equipment of the Army and Navy.
            Quote: ramzay21
            complete deoligirhalization of the country and nationalization of extractive industries

            Let's just look at one example - NOVATEK.
            If this company is nationalized, then with a very high degree of probability, many of its projects will simply stall. And state managers may simply not take out the responsibility that has fallen on their shoulders. The state receives a Resource Tax from mining companies, which often makes up a very significant or even most of the cost of the product being extracted. And it is not a fact that after nationalization the profit from these enterprises will be greater than now. But there will definitely be more problems.
            And certainly one should not commit such actions indiscriminately and on a grand scale at the height of \ on the eve of the war. But putting all strategic companies under state control and supervision is desirable.
            As desirable, in case of refusal or inability of the owner of the enterprise to organize the production of defense products, nationalize (not confiscate) or take under state control for the duration of the war, this production. For example, to organize the production of ammunition, armor steel, etc.
            Quote: ramzay21
            the surplus production of our military-industrial complex can really be directed to the rearmament of Iran and the Syrian army,

            Iran is completely rearming itself, except for a few critical areas. Incl. in terms of combat aviation. But for this, we would need to shake up our aircraft factories ourselves ... otherwise, in recent years, the Kremlin has stubbornly curtailed production on them, reducing orders ... to the detriment of defense capability. As a result, the total number of combat aviation of the Aerospace Forces ... is extremely insufficient, and it will have to be urgently increased. The formation / revival of several air regiments has already been announced. Maybe the active regiments will be brought to a more or less decent size and the number of squadrons in them. And the practice of two-squadron regiments ... should remain in the past.
            And since in the near future the VKS will be intensively replenished with new aircraft, then ... there will be fewer opportunities for exporting these.
            But in vain.
            The launch of the MiG-35S series with AFAR at two aircraft factories at once (now not involved) would allow in a relatively short time to form several regiments on these fighters, as well as organize the delivery of these to our allies.
            And there is no need to pull Israel once again, they have already evaded (and continue) for a year and a half from direct (and indirect) deliveries of their weapons to / from. And these "Merkavas" with a very high probability (99,9%) will not get to Ukraine. And the fact that the countries that received them will put THEIR Soviet-made tanks in / on is already their initiative. And even then under the strongest pressure from NATO. Cyprus is a small and weak state, it is difficult to say "no" to such a person. And Croatia is a member of NATO. So the main culprit must be seen. But also remember the performers.
            There were 2000+ tanks in service with the RF Armed Forces. , and now we need at least 5000, and do not forget about making up for losses. The same with artillery, ammunition, other weapons. Now new air defense regiments are being formed ... All these weapons must be produced or removed from storage with refurbishment. That is why time drags on, and they are not in a hurry with the pace of the NWO. And the enemy (not used) knows this, he also has problems with this - the same Bundeswehr has only 20 000-caliber shells left in warehouses (APU for two or three days of database).
            Not only armies are fighting, but also economies, and finances, and ideologies (we have mess with the latter, they have nonsense ... heavy, but aggressive).
            But the fact that in St. Petersburg they raised the Red Flag of the USSR, and even at the Main Place (in the middle), this is already a kind of Symbol. And the World , as it is known , is ruled by Signs and Symbols .
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            2. -1
              21 June 2023 10: 02
              Quote: bayard
              But the fact that in St. Petersburg they raised the Red Flag of the USSR, and even at the Main Place (in the middle), this is already a kind of Symbol.

              I like your pragmatism. We were not told about capitalism in Russia for a long time, so as not to make people nervous ahead of time. Decommunization in Russia began much earlier than in the same Ukraine, first throwing off the Dzerzhinsky monument in Moscow from the pedestal, then, on the sly, erasing everything Soviet throughout Russia, not by washing, but by rolling.

              Say, the red flag, since our soldiers used it since the war in Chechnya, the same grandmother in Ukraine came out with it, waiting for Russian soldiers. How can our authorities not use such a sought-after symbol to influence the electorate? Speculation on Soviet achievements, a successful reception of our bourgeoisie, many of whom are present in the current government as renegades from the CPSU. In general, there can be no former communists, you are either a communist or not. There may be former party members as careerists and opportunists. Such members first discredited Soviet power, perverted communist morality, and then surrendered a great country, blaming everything on the "weakness" of socialism.

              In what I agree, there is no capitalist or socialist multiplication table, that is, you need to manage in a way that is reasonable in the interests of the whole people, the whole country. This must be taken into account when the people's power is restored. Yes, people's, because we cannot win with the henpecked West, no matter what flags they raise, no matter who they dress up as.
          4. 0
            1 August 2023 16: 20
            I watch you never finish your mantra
        3. +6
          20 June 2023 09: 02
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          A lot of militant howling, patriotic slogans and blaming everyone around for all sins.

          Well, you know. It is impossible for a patriot to miss the chance to echo for anti-Semitism - otherwise what kind of fighter against Nazism is he?
        4. +2
          20 June 2023 20: 12
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          and for some reason pseudo-patriots are the same everywhere

          Like some cliches. "Ignorance and aplomb!"
          (They need to make a logo like this what).

          In the autumn-winter-spring period, 65-ton machines will go up the tower to the Ukrainian black soil, so only summer operation.

          Some amateur, wanting to throw it at the fan, came up with this bike, and now it wanders from forum to forum in serious soup.
          And this is despite the fact that Merkava has wider tracks and higher ground clearance than Leo, Abrams and Challengers, which weigh exactly the same.
          Here they will break the template in the end. lol

          the tank is special - due to the front-engine layout, German 120 mm gun

          Another tale. For a long time there were no German guns on the Merkava.
          On the first Merkava stood British 105mm L7A1 from the Centurion tank.
          And the 120mm MG251 gun was developed by IMI in 1983, specifically for the Merkava. And it is NOT a licensed copy of any weapon.

          The oil monarchies of the Middle East are also not happy with the very existence of Israel.

          Apparently, therefore, they embarked on the path of reconciliation and cooperation. Damn, do they update their manuals sometimes?

          Theoretically, there is something to answer for Merkava.

          Tomatoes.
          Echelons of weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine are coming from Poland, Romania, Hungary, but of course the Jews who decided to sell tanks to Cyprus are to blame. Hand face.

          Jerusalem is waiting for a reaction

          I am in shock. belay
          Tel Aviv City Hall too. wassat
    2. +2
      20 June 2023 05: 24
      The first of these fell the Israeli fortress. Jerusalem announced the upcoming export of two hundred Merkava Mk 2 and Mk 3 to two unnamed countries, one of which is definitely European.

  2. +1
    20 June 2023 03: 53
    By the way, it is curious how the Merkava suspension will show itself in the mud with possible freezing, which is far from uncommon in Europe.
  3. +1
    20 June 2023 04: 21
    Theoretically, there is something to answer for Merkava. The question is, will we answer? Or will we wait for Israeli armor in the Donbass?
    belay Who will answer, Lavrov, Shoigu or Putin? feel
    1. AUL
      -1
      20 June 2023 08: 19
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Or will we wait for Israeli armor in the Donbass?

      And we haven’t even started yet! (C) We are sitting on the shore, guarding the passing corpse of the enemy. So far, Leo and Members, Patriots and AMX have sailed ... We will wait further - both Mekavki and Abrams, F16 and A10 will sail ... The main thing is not to rush!
      1. +7
        20 June 2023 08: 58
        And unfortunately the corpses of our citizens. And no one will answer for this.
  4. -1
    20 June 2023 05: 08
    Overweight and oriented to a strictly specific theater of operations, to which Ukraine belongs last.
    Yes, the salozhory will definitely not pass into the hatch. Seriously, the Merkava is not designed for large-scale conflicts of intense conflict. Work on them by helicopters, attack aircraft is not provided. They can roll out a claim to the consumer, Violation of the rules of operation. request
    Yes, and Geranium-lancets will pierce the roof of the tower, since it is like an airfield, you will not miss.
  5. +2
    20 June 2023 05: 29
    Merkavas to Cyprus and Croatia, and T-80U and M-84 to (in) Ukraine. Most likely so far.
    1. +1
      20 June 2023 05: 45
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      Merkavas to Cyprus and Croatia, and T-80U and M-84 to (in) Ukraine. Most likely so far.

      Let's see. Why guess?
    2. +5
      20 June 2023 06: 15
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      Merkavas to Cyprus and Croatia, and T-80U and M-84 to (in) Ukraine. Most likely so far.

      What are the claims against the Jews? If presented, then to the Greeks, although they will not sell 404 directly, but some thread of conditional Estonia, which will transfer them to / from. And you also need to present to those who at one time did not scratch themselves to include in the contract for the sale of the T-80 to Cyprus a clause prohibiting resale to third countries without the written consent of the manufacturer.
      I'm not sure about the Croatian T-84s. If they had a license to manufacture the T-72, then again, you need to ask those who were too lazy or did not think to include a ban on sales to third countries in the license contract.
      And the Merkava with the Bandera Balken-Kreuz is unlikely. Of course, the probability is not zero, but so small that rather Zelensky, standing doggystyle on a mountain, whistles.
    3. 0
      20 June 2023 14: 12
      The second country is more likely Morocco or Vietnam
  6. +1
    20 June 2023 05: 46
    Strange. Is TsIPSO already working at VO? Israel said yesterday that this is disinformation, and here this rotten news is being dispersed with might and main. Better let the author write who pays him for misinformation.
    In Israel itself, it is so restless, it still lacked new problems.
    And somehow the old song about the red lines after Zaluzhny and Budanov looks strange. Helicopters from Poland, after each pushing back the red lines, do not have time to transport NATO carcasses for repair or disposal. True, for panheads this is not evidence, but smart people understand everything perfectly.
    The fact that Israel is involved in the conflict in Ukraine, so everyone knows. But with supplies, he will not shine. There are not complete idiots, as in Europe. They don't need any more problems. Surrounded by countries that want to join the BRICS and SCO. There, even the Kremlin does not need to speak. Just hint and they themselves will come up with a bunch of problems for Israel. And the author only hype on rotten and cut down denyushka. What about thinking?
    1. -2
      20 June 2023 08: 59
      Well, yes, "comrades" evgei never lied and do not lie.
      1. +1
        20 June 2023 09: 58
        Quote from AdAstra
        Well, yes, "comrades" evgei never lied and do not lie.

        And "comrade Russians? request
        1. 0
          2 October 2023 18: 24
          A typical answer... I would say - national...
  7. +3
    20 June 2023 05: 55
    The very moment, all the same, deliveries to Ukraine are going on (and it doesn’t matter which tank, and whose tank).
    And those astonished eyes and the Kremlin's statements about the supply of NATO weapons to Ukraine.
    We didn't think about it and all that.
    It was necessary to think, and then do it, but everything turned out the other way around, And the search for the guilty countries in delaying their own begins.
    Themselves to blame.
    1. 0
      20 June 2023 06: 10
      Why not pull? 30 countries harnessed for the United States with the supply of arms. Moreover, no one originally intended to conquer Ukraine. And if you already fell into a trap, then why play by the rules? The US has pulled us into a trap. Now they are up to their ears in shit. And they use Europe as a bedding to get themselves out. Already 5 trillion dollars have been lost on the NWO of the USA with Europe. And that's just what can't be hidden. Every day of the war it costs them from 0,5 to 2 billion just to support Ukraine's pants. Europe is already in recession. Why not pull? Plebs lacks spectacles? Well, no one promised spectacles. This war. And fighting is an important, but not the main factor in the war.
      1. +2
        20 June 2023 08: 43
        Quote: Griffit
        Now they are up to their ears in shit

        Who?
        Quote: Griffit
        5 trillion dollars on the US NWO with Europe lost.

        Three GDP of the Russian Federation? However, requests...
        Quote: Griffit
        it costs them from 0,5 to 2 billion just to support Ukraine's pants

        Even Ukrainians cannot steal so much.
        Quote: Griffit
        Why not pull?

        Yes, in principle, no one is against it.
        1. -1
          20 June 2023 11: 38
          Who?
          Americans. The current and previous presidents are under investigation. Two have deadlines. It doesn't matter if they are planted or not. The very fact of this suggests that there is no trust. How are you? ... an American criminal paid a visit to / in Ukraine, oh the president ... This is the image of the country. And this is at least. And if Putin was issued an order by the ICC, an outside organization, then in America they say their own: the President is a criminal laughing
          Three GDP of the Russian Federation? However, requests...
          This is not what I said. And the valiant Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-18/europe-s-1-trillion-energy-bill-only-marks-start-of-the-crisis#xj4y7vzkg. This is only for the price of gas. 1 trillion losses laughing add here 500 billion euros of subsidies, i.е. just presented winked companies and households in Europe for gas last year and winter. Otherwise, at this price, everyone would be bankrupt. Add bank failures in Europe and America, in which losses from capitalization and withdrawal of funds amounted to about 3 trillion laughing as well as an increase in the interest rate from 0.25 to 4.75% per annum. And this is with an external debt of 24 trillion dollars. It's not hard to calculate how much annual maintenance has increased laughing And this is also a consequence of SVO.
          .Even Ukrainians can't plunder so much. Europe and America transfer up to $5 billion to Ukrainians every month in the form of loans and subsidies only for budget expenditures, including salaries for state employees. And also count the replenishment of combat losses. Each wrecked tank costs from several hundred thousand (these are removed from storage and converted and repaired at European expense at Polish, Hungarian and Romanian enterprises) to several million, such as leopards 2. Every month, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lose up to ten thousand drones. The price of a drone is from $20000 for converted civilians to several million for a bayraktar. Add the logistics of military cargo over a distance of several thousand kilometers, ammunition, ammunition and which must be replenished every day, etc.
          1. +2
            20 June 2023 15: 12
            Quote: Griffit
            The Americans

            )))
            Quote: Griffit
            The current and previous presidents are under investigation. Two have deadlines.

            Unfortunately, there is no case against Joe. Well, they have been planting a trampoline since 2016, so nothing new.
            Quote: Griffit
            This is the image of the country

            Great image. Right now, I would put all the living American presidents in jail. Especially Carter, he's barely breathing. If the Americans finally do this, the whole world will applaud them.
            God willing, using the example of the Americans and the rest, they will begin to plant.
            Quote: Griffit
            Valiant Bloomberg

            This dump? Even Bloomberg doesn't write anything like that.
            Quote: Griffit
            Add bank failures in Europe and America, in which losses from capitalization and withdrawal of funds amounted to about 3 trillion

            Your palm hair will grow from such dreams.
            Quote: Griffit
            increase in interest rate from 0.25 to 4.75% per annum

            Generally on the drum. This is their own money.
            Quote: Griffit
            It's not hard to calculate how much annual maintenance has increased

            As it was about free, it remains. This is the transfer of money from one pocket to another. The Treasury pays the Fed's refinancing rate, the Fed transfers the share premium to the Treasury.
            Quote: Griffit
            this with an external debt of 24 trillion dollars.

            The US foreign debt is zero. Only internal, and I remember more than half of American government organizations owe each other.
            Quote: Griffit
            This is also a consequence of SVO.

            It has nothing to do with SVO. This is a consequence of the rampant dollar printing that began in 2001 and has only accelerated since then. The record printing of money, of course, was carried out during covid.
            Quote: Griffit
            Europe and America transfer up to $5 billion to Ukrainians every month in the form of loans and subsidies only for budgetary expenses

            Yes. Around 60 yards a year. There are no 2 yards a day and close by.
            Quote: Griffit
            Each wrecked tank costs from several hundred thousand

            All this junk from the 70s and 80s is worth next to nothing. It has not yet been melted down because it is more expensive than storing.
            Quote: Griffit
            Every month, the APU loses up to ten thousand drones. The price of a drone is from $ 20000 for converted civilians, up to several million for bayraktar

            You outdid Konashenkov, congratulations.
            Quote: Griffit
            Add the logistics of military cargo over a distance of several thousand kilometers, ammunition, ammunition and which must be replenished every day, etc.

            In reality, we see a conflict of the scale (and probably scenario) of the Iran-Iraq war. For a coalition of countries representing 2/3 of the world's economy, this should not be a problem.
  8. +5
    20 June 2023 06: 13
    Sale of weapons, incl. and tanks, must be accompanied by a special piece of paper called "End user sertificate" (Certificate of the end user), which stipulates that this product cannot be transferred to a third party without the consent of the seller.
    Thus, if Israeli weapons end up in Ukraine (regardless of whether it was a direct delivery or with transit through third countries), Israel's "stigma" will be "in the cannon", and this can lead to unpredictable results.
    ps Or maybe not, because no one will be able to predict the reactions of "Guarantor" to the next trick from his "partners".
    1. AUL
      +1
      20 June 2023 08: 34
      Quote: Amateur
      no one will be able to predict the reactions of "Guarantor" to the next trick from his "partners".

      The reaction is quite predictable...
    2. +1
      20 June 2023 09: 02
      Israel's "stigma" will be "into the cannon"
      They are still, well, very "strongly" from this "upset".

      "...and this can lead to unpredictable results."
      To what? Will we stop buying radishes and potatoes from them?
    3. +1
      20 June 2023 13: 57
      because no one will be able to predict the reactions of "Guarantor" to the next trick from his "partners".

      Israel can sleep peacefully) They got one new "Red" citizen and a great friend of the Guarantor with whom they robbed the country for 20 years, and if comrades from the Israeli special services pierce him with a stick and he will lay out all of Caesar's "underwear" as if in spirit. So Israel has nothing to fear
  9. 0
    20 June 2023 07: 13
    The Merkava is a very heavy tank that was designed for the dry soils of the Middle East. Therefore, it is unlikely that they will be re-exported. Rather, rotation ... And for Europe, the tank is not very good. But, apparently, the European "partners" are downright burning ...
    Nothing new in this world. And Russia, as usual, has only two allies...
  10. Des
    0
    20 June 2023 08: 17
    Thanks to the VO site for an article that has an author.
    "In the autumn-winter-spring period, 65-ton machines will go up the tower into the Ukrainian black soil, so only summer operation." Here on the site, the Israelis published photographs of them, by no means stony soil. But there is interest. As soon as the Merkavas find themselves (yes, never!)) in Ukraine, there will be changes in Israel itself. Therefore, the scheme will be simpler. But the main thing is not this. The main thing is that the state of Israel supports Bandera.
    1. +1
      20 June 2023 13: 13
      Quote: Des
      Here on the site, the Israelis published photographs of them, by no means stony soil.

      At uv. Yu Pasholok had a photo of the Merkava, which sat down at home "up to the throat":
    2. 0
      1 July 2023 12: 58
      Quote: Des
      But the main thing is not this. The main thing is that the state of Israel supports Bandera.

      Well, the Israelis here on the forum have written more than once that it doesn’t matter to them who they are, the past does not play a role, as long as the Jews are not touched at the moment, they will work at least with the devil as long as it suits their interests. Moreover, this logic applies both to their rulers and to the rest of the Israelis.
      So that crying and moaning over the Holocaust on their part is window dressing. For some reason, they forget that if they don’t care about modern Nazis, then the rest of the world may not care about the Holocaust and no anti-Semitism, just don’t care.
  11. -1
    20 June 2023 12: 00
    Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
    The story of the sale of Israeli tanks looks like another test of the Russian reaction.

    belay
    were the past not enough?
    Brief chronology of reactions and "red lines", called in terms of Zakharova: reserving rights:
    27.05.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to ensure its own security."
    18.05.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to take any measures to neutralize threats from Ukraine."
    03.05.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to respond after Kiev's attempt to strike at the Kremlin."
    12.05.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to take all measures to neutralize the threats that may arise from the use of British Storm Shadow cruise missiles by Ukraine."
    28.05.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX "Moscow reserves the right to neutralize threats due to military assistance to Kyiv."
    16.10.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to react harshly to possible provocations of Ukraine on the grain deal."
    15.09.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to adequately respond in the event of a US decision to supply longer-range missiles to Kyiv."
    20.06.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to take action to protect its national interests."
    06.06.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to strike at decision-making centers due to the supply of MLRS to Kyiv."
    23.06.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to a" nuclear response ".
    06.03.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX "Russia reserves the right to mirror the deployment of American missiles."
  12. -1
    20 June 2023 12: 12
    Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
    In the autumn-winter-spring period, 65-ton machines will go up the tower into the Ukrainian black soil, so only summer operation

    recourse


    approx. There they joked with leopards (Newtons), and they joked right, but it's easy to translate.
    Not . don't get stuck. but they get stuck, so they pull it out. Jews regularly practice mud kneading.


    Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
    Merkava, no matter how idealized in the West, is just an armored vehicle with a good gun. She does not shoot and is not controlled by fashionable artificial intelligence.

    rummaged through the entire memory of the brain, did not find examples of a tank of a different concept, described by the author and equipped with AI, which would shoot itself. Cartoon, maybe
  13. -1
    20 June 2023 15: 24
    The answer to the Jews is very simple. A no-fly zone for the Jewish Air Force is declared. A Jew flies in there, and our air defense systems shoot him. Naturally, the Jews are hysterical, how is it that the goyim dared to wet the izbg'annaya people. But Moscow replies that we shoot down and we will shoot down.
    This time. The second is the emergency deliveries of S-400s with Pantsirs to Iran and the combat duty of our crews until the training of Iranian specialists is completed. There will also be hysteria of the Jews, but we can spit on it.
    Thirdly, the appearance of weapons by Hezbollah, which are very painful for the Jews. Or, say, "Hamas" has MANPADS capable of "bringing down" helicopters and planes of the Jews.
    BUT, unfortunately, we have too many people at the top who are ready to lick the ass of the outcast folk and crawl on their belly in front of him, so that this folk will allow them into the club of the elite.
    1. +3
      20 June 2023 16: 08
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      The answer to the Jews is very simple. A no-fly zone for the Jewish Air Force is declared. A Jew flies in there, and our air defense systems shoot him

      How is that? It's like with the IL-20, or what, did it work out?
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      The second is the emergency deliveries of S-400s with Pantsirs to Iran and the combat duty of our crews until the training of Iranian specialists is completed

      Do you have extra air defense systems? Sure?
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      Thirdly, the appearance of weapons by Hezbollah, which are very painful for the Jews. Or, say, "Hamas" has MANPADS capable of "bringing down" helicopters and planes of the Jews.

      So everything they can and so they deliver. By the way, from whom will you take all this good, which you will give to the Arabs? Our boys?
    2. 0
      20 June 2023 16: 31
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      A no-fly zone for the Jewish Air Force is declared.

      And the Jews will announce that in matters of national security they flew and will fly, and any attack will entail an immediate response, and then what?
      By the way, Israeli air defense covers 2/3 of Syria, including Khmeimim. I am generally silent about electronic warfare. Did it ever occur to you that the Russian Federation is forced to negotiate with Israel on Syria, because it has no choice?

      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      A Jew flies in there, and our air defense systems shoot him.

      And they burn out in 10 minutes. Was there ever a case in history that Israel did not give up?
      Have you weighed the balance of power? One base with a dozen aircraft against an entire army, head and shoulders superior to the same Armed Forces in all respects? Not even funny.
      And then what? Hysterically shake vigorously with a loaf against a nuclear power, when everything is already on edge? The Russian Federation simply does not have the logistics that you are seriously threatening Israel with conventional methods.
      And not to present anything - self-defense. After all, the Israelis are not the first to shoot at the Russian military.

      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      There will also be hysteria of the Jews, but we can spit on it.

      Hysteria is more likely to be with you when the Jews hit back.

      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      Thirdly, the appearance of weapons by Hezbollah, which are very painful for the Jews.

      Will not arrive. Iran will not let you lie.

      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      Or, let's say Hamas has MANPADS

      They have them as is. They even tried to use them, with disastrous consequences for themselves.

      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      capable of "bringing down" helicopters and planes of the Jews.

      And where to get these? All IDF Air Forces have long been equipped with IR seeker laser suppressors, even drones.

      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      BUT, unfortunately, we have too many people upstairs who are ready to lick the ass of the outcast folk and crawl on their belly in front of him

      So you put them on your own head.
      1. -1
        20 June 2023 22: 14
        Our leadership is not supporters of drastic actions, no one will go into military conflict with Israel. There are many other ways to make "alaverdi" for the Jews. For example, by supplying weapons or technology to Iran.
        1. 0
          21 June 2023 01: 56
          Quote: Dima68
          There are many other ways to make "alaverdi" for the Jews.

          And there are many ways to get "alaverdi" in response. wink
          Football is not played with one goal.

          Quote: Dima68
          For example, by supplying weapons or technology to Iran.

          Did Mongolia sell the Su-35 to Iran? Did Zimbabwe build a reactor for them? And who armed and incited the Arabs for half a century? Pushkin?

          So after all, it is possible to deliver to a neutron bomb in the hands of Kyiv. And the Tribalts with the Georgians can be thrown. And there and to individual groups close.
          You just set an example, but the answer will not rust.
          Patience is not rubber, and benevolence should not be confused with weakness.
    3. 0
      21 June 2023 11: 43
      The answer to the Jews is very simple.

      Yeah, like in 1970 or 1982 - we can repeat! wink
      ps Aren't you afraid of Orthodox deliveries of Haropov with Spikes and Hero?
  14. -1
    20 June 2023 22: 09
    Information flashed that Merkava would be sold to Bulgaria, in exchange for the T-72 from its warehouses.
    It is unlikely that Bibi will go into direct conflict with Putin with Syria and Iran at hand, especially since Merkava is not the best choice for the black earth zone, too heavy and clumsy.
    1. 0
      21 June 2023 02: 15
      Quote: Dima68
      Information flashed that Merkava would be sold to Bulgaria, in exchange for the T-72 from its warehouses.

      Where did it flicker? Source?

      Quote: Dima68
      It is unlikely that Bibi will go into direct conflict with Putin

      Because there is no point or benefit in it in the first place.

      Quote: Dima68
      having Syria and Iran close at hand

      Syria is an empty place. Iran is not at hand, but already behind Saudi Arabia and Iraq, for 1500 km. Geography on the exam?

      Quote: Dima68
      Merkava for the black earth strip is not the best choice

      The bike.

      Quote: Dima68
      too heavy

      No harder than Leo and Abrams.

      Quote: Dima68
      clumsy

      Don't confuse top speed with agility.
      Its angular rate of turn is no worse than that of the same Leo.
  15. 0
    20 June 2023 23: 47
    I'm pretty sure it's the target in the first place.
  16. 0
    13 October 2023 12: 22
    Come on, let's go. The Palestinians have already vandalized 14 Merkavas
  17. 0
    28 November 2023 16: 16
    Why is Merkava in Ukraine? What would be noted in the style of previous wunderwaffles? And how beneficial is this to Israel in a commercial sense?