Uranium shells for the Ukrainian "Abrams": there is something to fear

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Uranium shells for the Ukrainian "Abrams": there is something to fear

Eh, sometimes it even becomes dreary at the thought of bygone days, when respected Western "partners" still adhered to some kind of framework. No, this is not about the hateful red lines that never went beyond the scope of boltology, but about ammunition containing depleted uranium. Their producing countries were generally kept under a ban in terms of gratuitous transfer or sale abroad. And not only to some Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other states where there is American or European technology, but also among NATO members.

But, as we can see, with the start of the special operation, Kyiv's allies simply didn't give a damn about all these rules. First about deliveries tank 120 mm uranium shells were announced by the British in addition to their Challenger 2. Now, after many months of deliberation, the Americans have announced a similar decision. And, it should be noted, the nomenclature of these overseas ammunition causes concern. But first things first.




A little about uranium in shells


With this uranium, all ears have already buzzed to us: they frighten them, as they say, from every iron. Therefore, if the reader is knowledgeable in all these matters, then you can safely scroll down below. But it still needs to be said.

In fact, a lot has been written about the harm of depleted uranium for humans. Yes, sometimes it cannot do without frank delirium about the most powerful radioactivity and other properties that it does not possess. But the fact remains: the thing is really toxic and, although not very radioactive, it can cause cancer and other diseases, including due to radiation. In that case, why is he in shells?

Of course, depleted uranium is not nuclear weapon. It is not in any bombs, it does not explode and does not arrange a total atomic armageddon when it hits a target. Armor-piercing shells for tank and automatic guns are made from it, designed to destroy armored vehicles and protective structures due to kinetic energy. Exactly the same as from tungsten. But uranium has some advantage in two ways.

The first is the relative cheapness of production. For a country with a developed nuclear industry, depleted uranium and shells made from it are much cheaper than tungsten ones. This is due to the fact that it is a by-product of the enrichment of uranium, which is used as fuel for nuclear power plants and one of the components in nuclear weapons. So to say, almost waste-free production. Exaggerated, of course.

Yes, the USSR, and now Russia, also has uranium shells. In the photo: Soviet sub-caliber projectile "Vant" with a depleted uranium core
Yes, the USSR, and now Russia, also has uranium shells. In the photo: Soviet sub-caliber projectile "Vant" with a depleted uranium core

However, it is noteworthy that the cost of the full life cycle of uranium and tungsten shells does not differ so much. The fact is that the disposal of ammunition from depleted uranium requires additional investments and is fraught with difficulties due to its biological hazard. Tungsten scrap is easily recycled as recyclables.

The second is increased armor penetration. Yes, the density of depleted uranium is even slightly less than that of tungsten. Nevertheless, its heavy alloys with titanium and other elements have specific physical and chemical properties, including ductility. They allow uranium cores to form an optimal contact patch for penetration with armor or, to put it more simply, “self-sharpen” in the process of breaking through an obstacle. Thus, the gain in millimeters of the hole can reach 10 percent or more compared to tungsten.

Ultimately, depleted uranium is quite suitable and even the primary material for the manufacture of armor-piercing ammunition, including due to its low cost, if you do not look into the future with disposal.

What can give Ukraine?


As for the transfer of American Abrams tanks to Ukraine, it seems to be no longer worth talking about - everything became completely clear back in the winter, when all forecasts regarding the supply of these vehicles came true and took shape in an official resolution of the US government. True, at first everyone expected - especially the Armed Forces of Ukraine - oldish, but quite combat-ready modifications of the M1A2. But in the end, due to the lack of ready-made tanks, even older M1A1s will be used, which will arrive this summer.

However, if the United States had some hitch with the tanks, then after a long debate they decided on the uranium ammunition for them. A specific model of uranium sub-caliber shells at the time of writing this material has not yet been announced, but there is no reason to doubt their nomenclature, from which there is something to choose from. Let's look at it - there are enough dangerous products there.

The list of shells with depleted uranium for the 120-mm smoothbore gun M256 of the Abrams tank of all modifications younger than M1A1 and above formally includes five different models, united by the same series index - M829, but very different from each other both in design and in properties . The latter - M829A4 - in principle, it does not make sense to consider it yet: it went into the series a long time ago, but the Americans themselves did not have time to rearm them either.

The entire line of 120-mm sub-caliber uranium shells for "Abrams". Starting from M829 and ending with M829A4. The increase in the length of the core is visible to the naked eye.
The entire line of 120-mm sub-caliber uranium shells for Abrams. Starting from M829 and ending with M829A4. The increase in the length of the core is visible to the naked eye

As a matter of fact, at first many people assumed that it was the M829, the ancestor of the series, that would go to Ukraine - together with the M1A1 tank, it was sent into serial production in 1984. In general, despite its age, in terms of its characteristics it clearly surpasses the Soviet junk that is now used by the Ukrainian military in Soviet tanks.

The initial speed of 1670 meters per second and armor penetration of 520-540 millimeters of steel armor of medium hardness at a distance of two kilometers is a weighty argument. Against the T-90M, T-72B3 or T-80BVM in the forehead, of course, it cannot give any confidence in defeat, but the old copies of our tanks will be vulnerable to it. However, the shells of this modification, most likely, did not remain in warehouses at all - the shelf life of uranium alloys without losing their original properties is relatively short, and the transition to new models with the subsequent disposal of old ones in the USA was established quite well.

Approximately the same fate is now with the American developments of the late 80s and early 90s of the last century - the M829A1 and M829A2 shells, respectively. Although with the power of these products everything is much more serious.

The M829A1, due to its elongated uranium core (actually a one-piece “scrap”) and an initial speed of 1575 meters per second, is capable of penetrating steel armor within 650 millimeters from a distance of two kilometers. Although our Research Institute of Steel gives a slightly overestimated penetration rate in the region of 700 millimeters. Moreover, at least the first, at least the second indicator is without any doubt dangerous even for the most modern Russian cars without modern dynamic protection.

Its younger brother in the person of M829A2 is distinguished by significant changes in the design of the master device and the uranium "scrap" (core) itself. With an initial speed increased by 100 meters per second, this striker makes holes in a steel plate up to 700 millimeters thick, according to various sources. Based on this, the trend for our tanks is, in principle, understandable.

Shot with M829A2 projectile in section
Shot with M829A2 projectile in section

Despite the high levels of penetration, their removal from the depots of American troops and gradual disposal has been going on for many years. Tens of thousands of complete shots with these uranium shells now and then flash in the statements on "demilitarization" in state orders. Of course, some of the M829A1 and M829A2 may still be in warehouses, and transferring them to Ukraine looks like a cheap way to destroy obsolete military equipment.

Based on the above circumstances, the most likely contender for sending to the Armed Forces of Ukraine along with tanks is the M829A3 projectile. Went into large-scale production in the early 2000s, to this day it continues to be the main (gradually replaced by the M829A4) Abrams armor-piercing weapon and one of the most dangerous sub-caliber projectiles in the world.

Unlike other ammunition of this type, listed on the balance sheet of the American army, there are really a lot of M829A3 in warehouses. Hundreds of thousands of units, of which it is much easier to form a relatively small batch to be sent to Kyiv than to search for the remains of older models in the barrel, if they remained there at all.


Made from an advanced uranium alloy, the core of this projectile is about 800 millimeters long (total length with tail and ballistic tip is 924 mm) and with an initial flight speed of 1555 meters per second easily penetrates a steel plate approximately 800 mm thick at a distance of 2 kilometers according to the estimates of the Research Institute of Steel. But in practice, most likely, we are talking about 750-780 millimeters.

Unfortunately, there is absolutely no reason to be sure that most of the tanks used in the special operation will be able to parry the blow of this "crowbar". Added to this is the fact that technological solutions have been implemented in the design of the active part of the American projectile that neutralize the effect of universal dynamic protection. At the very least, Contact-5 is unlikely to work adequately against him. Although it is pointless to be surprised at this - the British also send their uranium shells with such functionality.

Chef, is everything gone?


You can, of course, once again remember the mantra in the style of “these deliveries will not change anything and are generally useless”, but you should not do this. Success in military operations always consists of many components, so the transfer of tanks with an impressive ammunition load to Ukraine should not be regarded as some kind of circus performance intended solely for the amusement of the public.

Dynamic protection "Contact-5" is not the most effective tool in the fight against the American projectile
Dynamic protection "Contact-5" is not the most effective tool in the fight against the American projectile

A tank with powerful armor-piercing means is always dangerous. Especially when it is very difficult to resist these means in a direct head-on collision, and sometimes there is nothing corny. Recall that our tank fleet consists not only of the most modern T-90Ms and T-80BVMs covered by Relikt. There are cars and weaker - they are generally the majority. So this point must be taken into account.

However, the projectile itself, no matter how powerful it may be, does not provide total superiority. The success of its use depends on many factors, ranging from "local" ones related to the crew, the capabilities of electronics and tank armor, and ending with "general" ones: the interaction of units and military branches. And if everything can be in order with the “local”, then the “general” sometimes limp.

We all saw the footage of the destruction of the Ukrainian "Leopard-2" and infantry fighting vehicles "Bradley" - including armored groups. All this was the result of a combination of several problems at once, which, among other things, include the lack of a sufficient number of combat aircraft, the lack of electronic warfare equipment, engineering equipment, and so on. As a result: revelry (in the good sense of the word) of our aviation, including unmanned, and artillery, seasoned with minefields.


Our enemy, without any doubt, is not a fool, and in the future he will try to avoid such situations. But the example as a whole is eloquent: the best protection against American, and indeed any other shells, is provided when an enemy tank is destroyed or knocked out before its crew has time to see our equipment in the sights.
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  1. +4
    19 June 2023 03: 22
    Added to this is the fact that technological solutions have been implemented in the design of the active part of the American projectile that neutralize the effect of universal dynamic protection.
    What a fact, it would be nice to have details ...
    Well, it will be the mass delivery and application tactics that will decide. Specifically, Abram was imprisoned for defensive actions against the masses of Soviet tanks, moreover, without special artillery support. What he will be on the offensive is unclear, personally I think that he is no better than the Leopard. But in defense, with its size and roof thickness, and with the current development of reconnaissance drones and dronikadze, it is not a tenant.
    1. -1
      19 June 2023 04: 06
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Specifically, Abram was imprisoned for defensive actions against the masses of Soviet tanks,

      Specifically, mattresses are supplied for the period when the counter-nag will end in any way ... What makes you think. But something tells me that fighting for 2 km from an ambush against a column of tanks ... This is from the category of all the command posts that destroyed the Chimera, that is, a Pentagon cartoon. By the way, at 2 km, Abrams won’t shoot much from an ambush until an ATGM from a tank arrives at him, which, by the way, breaks through 700 mm at 5 km, and not at 2, so who else is more dangerous for someone at a distance
      1. +4
        19 June 2023 04: 18
        Quote from Bingo
        By the way, at 2 km, Abrams won’t shoot much from an ambush until an ATGM from a tank arrives at him, which, by the way, breaks through 700 mm at 5 km, and not at 2, so who else is more dangerous for someone at a distance

        Of course, our troops are far from being saturated with drones, but they already exist in commercial quantities, and compared to the beginning of the NMD, the command has come to its senses, so there is little that shines in such a shed in an ambush.
      2. +5
        19 June 2023 20: 33
        Quote from Bingo
        By the way, at 2 km, Abrams won’t shoot much from an ambush

        Abrams and Leo2 can hit targets over 4 km, including on the move, thanks to powerful drives, FCS and long BOPS, so they didn’t bother with TURs. But just in case, they tested and put on the shelf the Israeli TOUR LAHAT, with a range of up to 8 km and the ability to control a third.
        Quote from Bingo
        until an ATGM from a tank arrives at it, which, by the way, breaks through 700 mm for 5 km,

        Shooting TURs in the Russian army is a sore subject, it was clearly seen at the tank biathlon, where both cars and crews were far from random, and the results of shooting at 1200m (I don’t even stutter about 5km) did not cause delight at all. Against machines with KOEP, in general, it’s rather stupid to try to use them, just shoot your position. Now, if the military-industrial complex had fussed and created a fire-and-forget TUR, with an anti-interference photocell of the GOS and an arrival from above, then yes, it would be good.
        1. +1
          19 June 2023 23: 31
          Maybe a strange type that runs after my comments and sculpts cons for me, at least once will try to oppose? I'm not sorry, but I would like to understand what's the matter? Offended something?
          1. 0
            20 June 2023 06: 22
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Maybe a strange type that runs after my comments and sculpts cons for me, at least once will try to oppose? I'm not sorry, but I would like to understand what's the matter? Offended something?

            Maybe we offended someone in vain, the calendar will close this sheet!
            Well, you have the right word, being 6 years old on the site, you ask such questions ..
            1. +2
              20 June 2023 18: 43
              Personally, I am always interested in purely technology, not ideological issues, and it is always interesting to read something new. But there is a feeling that some of my comments about technical issues are reacted with resentment. I also downvote when I think a comment is stupid, but at the same time I oppose and write my point of view. By the way, about 10 years ago, the site was a bomb, there were many military-industrial complex engineers, or the military with experience in operating this or that equipment, and from different countries, very powerful, at a very high level, disputes about radar, communications, aviation, etc., etc. And remember how they hounded those who did not coincide with the opinion of the inflated media of the Moscow Region of all TV Stars and so on, and many left the site.
    2. +3
      19 June 2023 07: 56
      In general, things are bad: M829A2 was produced at the end of the 80th century, but it penetrates more than our Lead 2 from 2019 !!!!
      1. -8
        19 June 2023 08: 16
        Quote from Nesvoy
        M829A2 was produced at the end of the 80th century, but it penetrates more than our Lead 2 from 2019

        this striker makes holes in a steel plate thick up to 700 millimeters, according to various sources.

        The performance of BOPS 3BM60 is unknown; according to various estimates, breaks through at least 700-750 mm on a direct hit.
        I think your comment is a joke...
        1. 0
          19 June 2023 09: 00
          Wait, where do you get these from??? Have you been banned on Google or is it difficult to find VO in a search? If it is difficult, then I will do it for you and for those minusers that are sitting here. https://topwar.ru/159376-tehmash-predstavit-tankovye-bronebojnye-boepripasy-svinec-2-i-mango-m.html
        2. -5
          19 June 2023 09: 02
          The news on VO from 2019 is the same as you say "fuck" or is it something else ??.
          https://topwar.ru/159376-tehmash-predstavit-tankovye-bronebojnye-boepripasy-svinec-2-i-mango-m.html
          1. -3
            19 June 2023 10: 02
            Quote from Nesvoy
            Wait, where do you get these from??? Have you been banned on Google or is it difficult to find VO in a search? If it is difficult, then I will do it for you and for those minusers that are sitting here.

            Where do people like you come from who are not able to go beyond the first link ...
            Recall that, according to available data, the Lead-1 shot (developed back in 1991) with a depleted uranium core penetrates a barrier with a thickness in 300 mm installed at an angle of 60° at a distance of 2000 m (according to other sources, it penetrates up to 650 mm of homogeneous armor at a shot distance of 2000 m and zero meeting angle)


            Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/boepripasyi-mango-mi-svinecz-2.html
            naukatehnika.com
            1. +3
              19 June 2023 15: 59
              And since when did a statement from the developer and manufacturer of this OBPS become empty chatter? And how long has some Murzilka magazine on your link taken penetration of 650 mm? This is just his speculation and nothing more. And by the way, you refuted yourself with your 750 mm. And who are you after that?
              1. -7
                19 June 2023 17: 10
                Quote from Nesvoy
                And by the way, you refuted yourself with your 750 mm. And who are you after that?

                Well, you are stupid for any reason, because 650 mm is Lead-1 of 1991, and 750 mm is Lead-2 of 2019.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                "Lead-1" (developed back in 1991) ... ... penetrates up to 650 mm


                Quote from Nesvoy
                And since when did a statement from the developer and manufacturer of this OBPS become empty chatter? And how long has some Murzilka magazine on your link taken penetration of 650 mm?
                Open your eyes and turn on your brains, no one says the words of the general, and it’s not a fact that the BOPS specialist does not refute, he simply supplements about the angle of inclination of the armor.
                Well, I don’t like Science and Technology, there are enough sources without it
                https://anna-news.info/tankovye-lekalo-rossijskoj-armii/
                https://topwar.ru/174080-razvitie-tankovyh-snarjadov-na-osnove-obednennogo-urana.html
                https://vpk.name/news/389398_kak_razbit_lob_abramsu.html
                So Murzilka is alone here, and it's not me, and not even the Science and Technology magazine ...
                1. +4
                  19 June 2023 19: 34
                  Enough here to shake the air and carry gag? It is so difficult to follow the link VO https://topwar.ru/159376-tehmash-predstavit-tankovye-bronebojnye-boepripasy-svinec-2-i-mango-m.html where it is written in black and white that Lead-2 is from 2019 punches 600 mm? But no, you will continue to throw further links to magazines like Murzilka, where their statement is not supported by anything. I have statements about the performance characteristics of their projectile from Rostec itself. Anyone with brains will draw their own conclusions. And guard bots like you are left to tell tales every now and then.
                  1. -6
                    20 June 2023 02: 49
                    Quote from Nesvoy
                    Enough here to shake the air and carry gag? It is so difficult to follow the link VO https://topwar.ru/159376-tehmash-predstavit-tankovye-bronebojnye-boepripasy-svinec-2-i-mango-m.html where it is written in black and white that Lead-2 is from 2019 punches 600 mm?

                    This is how miserable you have to be in order to see by reference what is not in it. No there about 600 mm.
                    Quote from Nesvoy
                    But no, you will continue to throw further links to magazines like Murzilka, where their statement is not supported by anything.

                    Well, you're completely miserable, with a Svidomo mind. If Topvar, Annanyus and the military-industrial complex are murzilki, then people like you are just ciliates ...
                    https://anna-news.info/tankovye-lekalo-rossijskoj-armii/
                    https://topwar.ru/174080-razvitie-tankovyh-snarjadov-na-osnove-obednennogo-urana.html
                    https://vpk.name/news/389398_kak_razbit_lob_abramsu.html

                    Quote from Nesvoy
                    And guard bots like you are left to tell tales every now and then.
                    Bot Svidomo grunt expose.
        3. +3
          19 June 2023 20: 45
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          The performance of BOPS 3BM60 is unknown; according to various estimates, it breaks through at least 700-750 mm with a direct hit.
          I think your comment is a joke...

          Compare at least the length of both BOPS and do not fantasize. In addition, it makes no sense to compare BOPS with standard ammunition and rare Lead 2, as Mango was the main BOPS, it remained, as in Ukrainian Soviet-style tanks. Those BOPS that the Armed Forces of Ukraine received with Leo2, Challengers and later with the Abrams will be significantly superior to the BOPS of Russian tanks. Everything was supposed to change Armata, with a new AZ, gun and ammo, but as you know, something went wrong.
          1. -3
            20 June 2023 02: 58
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Compare at least the length of both BOPS and do not fantasize.

            In addition to length, there are materials and shape and leading devices. And yes, the length is different.

            Quote: karabas-barabas
            In addition, it makes no sense to compare BOPS with standard ammunition and rare Lead 2, as Mango was the main BOPS, it remained, as in Ukrainian Soviet-style tanks.

            Lead-2 shells appeared in the BC of SVO tanks.

            https://rus-bel.online/armiya-novosti/armiya-vs-rf-poluchila-na-vooruzhenie-boepripasy-svinets-2-sposobnye-probivat-tanki-leopard-2-naskvoz/
            https://radiovolna.fm/news/federalnye-novosti/v-boekomplekstah-rossiyskih-tankov-poyavilis-novye-35126.html
            etc.


            Quote: karabas-barabas

            Everything was supposed to change Armata, with a new AZ, gun and ammo, but as you know, something went wrong.
            What's wrong with her? At military trials, at least a company kit, so what's wrong with her?
            1. +1
              20 June 2023 19: 05
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              In addition to length, there are materials and shape and leading devices. And yes, the length is different.

              And do you think that a significant lag in length could be compensated for with better materials than the Americans? Did you know such a fact that due to the shape of the BOPS (thicker, but shorter), Russian BOPS lose 2 times more speed for every 100m than their Western counterparts? Which greatly affects stability and range. To get a BOPS of the same power, you can’t do without a unitary projectile, with a penetrator sleeve recessed to the base.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Lead-2 shells appeared in the BC of SVO tanks.

              If I'm not mistaken, only recycled AZ T-90M and T-72B3 of the latest samples can "eat" it. And it's still rare.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              https://rus-bel.online/armiya-novosti/armiya-vs-rf-poluchila-na-vooruzhenie-boepripasy-svinets-2-sposobnye-probivat-tanki-leopard-2-naskvoz/

              According to your link, statements are made that are not fixed in any way. When they drag at least Leo2A6 and pierce through, or at least not through with this BOPS, then this will become a fact.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              What's wrong with her? At military trials, at least a company kit, so what's wrong with her?

              And what's wrong with her? How does she move, all the same B2? Which is up to 1140 hp. maximally boosted? In addition to such reports, are there any other facts? Military trials for 8 years already? And this is from the show at the parade, but they started creating even earlier? Do you even understand the complexity of such a project for Russia, without its own, at the highest world level, optoelectronic industry, motor and mechanical engineering? It began to be created when Nexter, KMV, Rheinmetall, MTU and many others closely cooperated with UVZ, and after the sanctions of 2014 the project stalled, respectively.
      2. 0
        19 June 2023 09: 24
        Some well-known ones say that modern tactical nuclear weapons may have been or will be brought to Europe. That's where the problem is, not in the tanks sad
        1. +2
          19 June 2023 09: 51
          Some well-known ones say that modern tactical nuclear weapons may have been or will be brought to Europe. That's where the problem is, not in the tanks

          Good morning! Mattress TNW has long been in Germany, Belgium, Turkey and Italy.
        2. -4
          19 June 2023 10: 31
          What modern tactical nuclear weapons is this?) Nuclear weapons are unlikely to be used in this conflict? Ukraine simply does not have it. Imperialist predators will not risk their skins because of the Ukrainians. Russia does not need to provoke anyone either. So there is and will be the usual conventional conflict.
        3. -3
          19 June 2023 21: 00
          Quote: dorz
          they say that they may have brought or will bring modern tactical nuclear weapons to Europe

          What is the point and why? Is the Russian army making its way to the English Channel? And why import it when, in addition to the American one, the Britons and the French have it in Europe?
    3. +6
      19 June 2023 10: 15
      What a fact, it would be nice to have details ...
      - segmented core. On the example of the German DM53
      1. -1
        19 June 2023 12: 02
        Quote from: blackGRAIL
        - segmented core. On the example of the German DM53

        Thanks, I wasn't aware. hi
        As I understand it, the main idea is to pass through the DZ without initiating explosives. I think it can be solved by increasing the sensitivity, and possibly by forced detonation. It's about the pin.
        About segmentation. A noticeable reduction in mass, and hence the transverse load of the core, immediately comes to mind. So there are doubts about "without a significant reduction in armor penetration".
        1. -1
          19 June 2023 21: 14
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I think it can be solved by increasing the sensitivity, and possibly by forced detonation.

          Yes, already decided. The Germans put ADZ, active dynamic protection on their latest armored personnel carriers and tanks. ADZ is initiated even before the penetrator touches the armor, a few tens of cm away. Look at the sides of the Lynx Kf41 that the Hungarians installed, there you can see the type of recessed pockets from which the cassettes fly out. You can also call AZ, but this is ADZ. Earlier versions were triggered when the penetrator was touched, all DZ blocks are connected by sensors and electronics, which undermines exactly the block that is subject to shelling not during the penetration of the cover of the DZ block, as in traditional Contact 5 type DZ, but when touched already. Now this ADZ is literally molded for everything, including light armored vehicles, since it does not need the minimum base armor of the vehicle so that it does not break through its own armor.
          1. 0
            20 June 2023 04: 57
            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Yes, already decided. The Germans put ADZ, active dynamic protection on their latest armored personnel carriers and tanks. ADZ is initiated even before the penetrator touches the armor, several tens of cm away.

            Well, it turns out I'm not the only such thinker. )))

            Quote: karabas-barabas
            Now this ADZ is literally molded for everything, including light armored vehicles, since it does not need the minimum base armor of the vehicle so that it does not break through its own armor.
            But this light BTT will not save from scrap, because the speed and mass of fragments of even a destroyed projectile will break through thin armor.
            1. 0
              20 June 2023 19: 11
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              But this light BTT will not save from scrap,

              Well, if only scrap remains, then they have achieved their goal. The armor of a Russian tank will not save you from scrap either.
    4. +2
      19 June 2023 11: 47
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      What a fact, it would be nice to have details ...

      untranslatable wandering of the author's thought.
      It has a two-section penetrator: a steel tip, about 100 millimeters long, and the rest, consisting of depleted uranium.

      The steel tip is used to defeat reactive armor and the depleted uranium is used to fully penetrate the vehicle's passive armor.
      Well, the "main" punch is 3 mm thicker.
      To call them the "active" part .... somehow not from hand.
      And so there the throwing RPD-380 is not at all bad.
      Innovative boron nitride alloyed propellants (MCVEC) calculated heat of explosion is 1156 cal/gram at 3573K flame temperature
      and cheap
      projected value of BN at the scale of 50 kg/year
      is 91,15 US dollars / kg
    5. 0
      19 June 2023 17: 36
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      What he will be on the offensive is unclear, personally I think that he is no better than the Leopard.

      The Amerzavs are not fools, and therefore, the Abrashs will show up only when the front line and the rear begin to plow up the A-10. Therefore, you should not expect that the "set-up" by the Americans of the "Leopards" will work, it's so simple. They need "advertising the advantage", and for this, it is quite possible to supply more long-range missiles and something else besides Thunderbolts.
      1. -2
        19 June 2023 21: 37
        Quote: skeptic
        Therefore, you should not expect that the "set-up" by the Americans of the "Leopards" will work, it's so simple.

        And what exactly is the "base"? You might think that piles of Leo2 with torn off turrets are lying around everywhere, lined up on PTM, RPG7 or Mango BOPS? You didn’t notice that Leo2 didn’t even scratch the paint after hitting a mine, he can be subdued and put into battle in the field, like Bradley from that heap. Under one Bradley even a funnel the size of a barn, but his engine did not even stall. One such "destroyed" Leo2 ukry was able to put on shoes again on the spot and use it again. Until the cars burn out, they can be patched up. In the West, a lot of work has been done on the experience of the Chechen and Middle Eastern wars and have achieved very serious results in protecting against kuma. PTMs are cumulative and therefore cannot penetrate MBTs of the Leo2A5M level and above, the same with ATGMs and RPGs. It would have been bad with Leo2, then orders for Leo2A8 would not have rained down on KMV and Rheinmetal, this is still the best tank in terms of cumulative qualities.
        Quote: skeptic
        They need "advantage ads"

        If you are talking about the Abrams advertising, then this somehow does not fit with today's reality. No one needs Abrams, which has very serious armor and combat capabilities, because of the gatorurbine engine, whose consumption is 3 times higher than that of Leo2. At the moment, orders for the Korean Leo2 and K2 are visible, the French and Turks are making their own tank, and Abrams is of no interest to anyone, and the Americans have no plans to participate in the supply of tanks. Those that will supply Ukraine with mobilization resources.
    6. +3
      19 June 2023 18: 12
      Apparently, the author meant composite cores. And the pyrophoric nature of depleted uranium is not mentioned in the article.
    7. 0
      27 October 2023 12: 05
      If I’m not confused, it’s like a tandem for cumulative ones.
      A small crowbar (it will be blown away by the DZ), and then the main one.
  2. +10
    19 June 2023 03: 26
    When the first shots of the war were fired, Ukraine was already the unequivocal loser. I don't understand why Ukrainians still fantasize about victory all day long. Now this is a war between Russia and NATO, and both sides are fighting for the ultimate victory. After everything calms down, there will be a lot of nuclear waste, destroyed walls, unexploded ordnance and mines, disabled people with broken legs on the ground.

    And all this is due to the existence of an evil race on earth - the Anglo-Saxons, who created hatred and division of other races. They are the ones who start the war. This evil race will one day be destroyed by the awakened humanity.
    1. -5
      19 June 2023 04: 09
      Quote from: wanna
      I don't understand why Ukrainians still fantasize about victory all day long.

      I said yesterday, and I will repeat it, because de bills!!!
      I just can not understand why there is an understanding in the minds that:
      1) The purpose of propaganda is to fool
      2) Ukraine was purposefully subjected to anti-Russian propaganda even before the collapse of the USSR, and after - that is, over 30 years
      But to add the first to the second - stubbornly no one wants to!!!
      I give an example: the propaganda in the Third Reich was so good that they were completely sure that only the Luftwaffe could fly - Luftwaffe pilots attacked enemy FIGHTERS IN BOMBERS in Poland, which is why in Poland there was suddenly a fucking percentage of Yu-87 losses. And you are asking why Durkaina believes that she will win with the support of the entire NATO
      1. +5
        19 June 2023 06: 00
        Like it or not, the Luftwaffe pilots perceived the propaganda correctly - let them say it is not necessary to believe (the pilots).
        The losses of the u-87 are not from the pilots a couple of times the Poles caught the same things (the Luftwaffe command relaxed a little). Well, to fight on pieces against fighters is clearly an idiotic undertaking. The legs of stories about battles on bombers against fighters rather grow from the daytime use of the Yu-88 modification of the night fighter.
        1. -4
          19 June 2023 06: 44
          Quote: saigon
          The legs of stories about battles on bombers against fighters rather grow from the daytime use of the Yu-88 modification of the night fighter.

          Memoirs of Luftwaffe pilots, and attacks on Polish fighters are mentioned more than once. Plus official statistics.
          At about 07.00, Ju 87 B-1 aircraft from I./StG 2, returning from the bombing of the Krakow-Rakovets airfield, were caught on takeoff from the field airfield by PZL R.11 fighters. Sergeant major Franz Neubert shot down the car of Captain Mieczysław Medwiecki, commander of the Krakow Fighter Group, thus becoming the first pilot to score an aerial victory in World War II.

          So the legs grow out of propaganda and frostbite. Some luck here...
    2. +3
      19 June 2023 05: 13
      Quote from: wanna
      When the first shots of the war were fired

      What other war? Smells like discredit.
      Quote from: wanna
      Ukraine has already been a clear loser.

      By itself. In any case, the party on whose territory demilitarization is carried out, so to speak, loses.
      Quote from: wanna
      I don't understand why Ukrainians still fantasize about victory all day long.

      What do you call Ukraine's victory?
      Quote from: wanna
      Now this is a war between Russia and NATO, and both sides are fighting for the ultimate victory.

      It doesn't get any easier from time to time. What do you call final victory RF over NATO and final victory NATO over Russia?
      Quote from: wanna
      unexploded ordnance and mines, disabled people with broken legs.

      Yes, demining will be a major problem. It has already become.
      Quote from: wanna
      They are the ones who start the war.

      )))
      It seems that there were Poles in the last series. The Anglo-Saxons were last seen near Azovstal. They somehow seeped through the sewers for a hundred leagues.
      1. GGV
        +2
        19 June 2023 05: 47
        Stop pretending to be a person with no memory (to put it mildly). I remember: Ze went to the polls under the slogans of peace and, let's say, respect for the Russian language. Then the Anglo-Saxons dipped him into reality and instead of a peace treaty, they started talking about plans: B , V, G and others with shelling of the cities of the DPR and DPR. so if you don’t see the ears of the Anglo-Saxons sticking out from everywhere, then you’re not only bad with memory, but also with vision. By the way, according to Merkel’s latest statements, peace on the outskirts is not needed was even the Germans and the French
        1. 0
          19 June 2023 06: 11
          Quote: GGV
          Ze went to the polls under the slogans of peace and, let's say, respect for the Russian language

          You're right. Zelensky is generally the most pro-Russian president of Ukraine that one could imagine. As it turned out, even the events of 2014 were not enough to close the issue with the pro-Russian presidents.
          Quote: GGV
          instead of a peace treaty, there was talk about plans: B, C, D and others with shelling of DPR cities

          Until last year, "shelling of the cities of the DPR" was not carried out at all. So, once a month, a couple of mines flew on the front end, in the form of greetings to front-line comrades.
          Quote: GGV
          By the way, according to Merkel’s latest statements, even the Germans and French did not need peace on the outskirts

          Merkel makes a good face on a bad game. There can be no "peace" in a situation where part of the country is under the military control of another country. On the other hand, if you believe the Russian patriots, Merkel pulled off a brilliant operation: the patriots say that in 2014 they could do it with one left (and we remember Strelkov Girkin with an incomplete company), and thanks to Merkel, the whole military theme began to play. The result is obvious.
          1. -6
            19 June 2023 06: 51
            Quote: Negro
            Until last year, "shelling of the cities of the DPR" was not carried out at all. So, once a month, a couple of mines flew on the front end, in the form of greetings to front-line comrades

            Blatant lie! Almost every day and not one by one there were messages like this:

            5 residential buildings and the territory of the plant were damaged in Donetsk as a result of morning shelling, our military commander visited the site of the shelling.

            https://news-front.info/2021/10/18/zhutkie-kadry-posledstviy-udara-vsu-po-donetsku/
            1. -5
              19 June 2023 08: 06
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              https://news-front.info/2021/10/18/zhutkie-kadry-posledstviy-udara-vsu-po-donetsku

              )))
              News front, "the territory of the plant was damaged", "no one was hurt by a miracle."

              This is what I call "not carried out at all." I will say more, even now Donetsk is not a nightmare. More problems due to lack of water and electricity as far as I can see. The water ran out when the Northern Donets was liberated from the Nazis last year. Electricity is relatively recent.
              1. -1
                19 June 2023 08: 20
                Quote: Negro
                News front, "the territory of the plant was damaged", "no one was hurt by a miracle."

                So how do you urinate in the eyes - God's dew!
                Two residential buildings are almost destroyed - only miraculously there were no casualties. Ukraine struck at about seven o'clock in the morning, when everyone was at home.

                Quote: Negro
                I will say more, even now Donetsk is not a nightmare.
                Definitely applauding you in cisse.
                1. -2
                  19 June 2023 08: 30
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Two residential buildings are almost destroyed - only miraculously there were no casualties

                  Don't know, my video won't play. But judging by the context - the ruins of the private sector, there are many of them in Donetsk even without shelling.
                  And now it’s easy to find what the city looks like after the regular work of artillery. Yes, even Maryinka, do not go far.
                  1. -2
                    19 June 2023 09: 57
                    Quote: Negro
                    Until last year, "shelling of DPR cities" was not carried out at all. So, we flew once a month on the front end for a couple of minutes, in the form of greetings to front-line comrades.

                    What a deceitful creature you have to be. Video dated 18/10/21.

                    Quote: Negro
                    But judging by the context - the ruins of the private sector, there are many of them in Donetsk even without shelling.
                    What a deceitful creature you have to be.

                    DPR: This year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on the territory of the republic more than 600 times
                    17 May 2021

                    https://topwar.ru/183052-dnr-v-jetom-godu-vsu-obstreljali-territoriju-respubliki-bolee-600-raz.html

                    Quote: Negro
                    And now it’s easy to find what the city looks like after the regular work of artillery. Yes, even Maryinka, do not go far.
                    Established work on an armed enemy. And not the shelling of cities and villages in the squares. What a deceitful creature you have to be.
                    I just marvel at deceitful creatures like you...
                    1. -1
                      19 June 2023 10: 50
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      I just marvel at deceitful creatures like you...

                      It is always amusing to see subjects who are quoting DPR news in a serious way.
                      This year (for 4,5 months of 2021) Armed Forces of Ukraine shelled the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic more than 600 times

                      All this led to an increase in losses among the civilian population and military personnel of the republic. Died this year four civilians of the DPR


                      I am shocked by such compliments to Ukrainian artillerymen. I assure you they didn't deserve them. It is impossible to achieve such negligible indirect losses during artillery shelling of the city.
                    2. 0
                      19 June 2023 22: 28
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And not the shelling of cities and villages in the squares.

                      When troops were pulled around the borders of Ukraine from the beginning of 2021, the theme was, they say NATO should get out to the borders of 1991, and Ukraine should forever abandon NATO and the EU. When the NWO started, there was not a word about the shelling of the DPR / LPR, but it was - we will show you what decommunization is. According to the reports of the DPR/LPR themselves, together with the OSCE observers, from the beginning of the truce in 2016 until February 2022, 5-9 people per year died from grenades and mines, and even then in the front-line zones. In directions like Pesky, sometimes the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the DPR hit each other, for which they received ears from their own, as they observed a truce. Remember the episode with Zelensky "I'm not a goof?", where it was about the ban on shooting. The story with "carpet shelling of Donbass" began on the second week of the NWO, when decommunization did not work out in 3 days and a reason was urgently needed to continue the database. Now we are talking about the fact that Putin was given distorted information about the mood among the Ukrainian population, about the popularity of political forces around Medvedchuk, the motivation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the willingness of the West to stand up for Ukraine.
    3. +2
      19 June 2023 10: 40
      Why did they decide that the Ukrainians are fantasizing about victory. Yes, propaganda screams about it, but it's not work. I think that Ukraine is just playing for time, in principle, it has nothing left to do.
      As for the war... The war is going on exclusively between Russia and Ukraine.
    4. 0
      19 June 2023 17: 56
      Quote from: wanna
      Ukraine has already been a clear loser. I don't understand why Ukrainians still fantasize about victory all day long.

      Pride is one of the deadly sins. It is this "exclusiveness of the nation" that the impudent Saks use in creating "national muncluss of evil" from Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, etc. A similar "tactic" was used in the creation of the ISIS (religious variant) US hybrid troops. Therefore, one should not be surprised in the new "On the top of the mustache", especially - "The whole world is with us." This will continue until it comes to the fact that they are used only as "fighting cocks" to solve their problems.
  3. +4
    19 June 2023 04: 13
    Uranium shells for the Ukrainian "Abrams": there is something to fear

    Of course there is ... The lack of political will among the Russian leadership allows enemies to use against our SOVEREIGN (having a declaration of sovereignty and even a holiday ... and nothing more) country all rubbish and all evil spirits only to destroy us all at the root sooner or later . Us, our children and all future generations. So to speak, to cleanse the land of the Russian spirit, so as not to interfere with the policy of slow genocide throughout the world.
    There is nothing else I can explain such a disregard for the Russian people...
    Imagine how loudly people from the EU countries would be indignant if some phosphorus ammunition began to fall on their heads ... Or some virus unknown to science was found in the water ...
    Indifference, indifference, connivance, irresponsibility - these are the censorship epithets of this action. Depleted uranium, products with a high content of various chemicals, natural food substitutes - all this will sooner or later finish off our country, which for more than three decades has not been able to get out of the demographic pit abyss...
    We have something to fear, and with each reaper, there are more such threats.
    1. -3
      19 June 2023 07: 48
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: ROSS 42
      Imagine how loudly people from the EU countries would be indignant if ...

      Let's take France as an example.
      - a million-strong rally against the adoption of same-sex children;
      - "yellow vests" what they wanted - I don't remember;
      - raising the retirement age.
      Outraged loudly, so what? In all cases, the result is zero! And so it is all over Europe...

      On the subject:
      No need to panic ahead of time.



      Once the West has already delivered shells with depleted uranium. In response, he taught a radiation dusty cloud on his head. Didn't get it the first time, might get it the second time.
      1. 0
        19 June 2023 22: 51
        Quote: Boris55
        - a million-strong rally against the adoption of same-sex children;

        There has never been, because of such a topic, let alone millions of rallies, even 10 were not going to.
        Quote: Boris55
        - "yellow vests" what they wanted - I don't remember;

        Lower fuel prices, which is what they have achieved.
        Quote: Boris55
        - raising the retirement age.

        France has one of the soft pension systems. To receive a full pension, you have to work for 41 years and now they have raised it from 60 to 62 years, when in the rest of Europe it is 65-67 years. But whoever does not have enough experience, he can no longer retire at 65, but is forced to retire at 67, but regardless of the length of service.
    2. +2
      19 June 2023 07: 56
      I love it when those who studied this chemistry for the last time at school begin to talk about products containing different chemistry, puffing out their cheeks and puffing up their mustaches. And then he smoked around the corner during the lessons
    3. -2
      19 June 2023 08: 31
      Quote: ROSS 42
      all this will sooner or later finish off our country, which for more than three decades has not been able to get out of the demographic pit of the abyss ...
      This pseudo-Soviet anti-Russian propaganda is aimed at a lazy reader who does not bother to spend at least 5 minutes studying the vital statistics in the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation.
      So many years of sowing despondency and panic on the forum cannot remain without consequences for the mental status of the sowers. Maybe changing their legal status to a foreign agent would help save their mental health...
      1. 0
        19 June 2023 14: 40
        Who would argue, of course, TU is more effective than GOSTs, surrogates are more accessible than natural products. In general, critical thinking is bad for mental status.
    4. +2
      19 June 2023 22: 43
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Depleted uranium, products with a high content of various chemicals, natural food substitutes - all this will sooner or later finish off our country.

      When Putin invited Europe to dump nuclear waste from their nuclear power plants in the Taiga, you weren’t interested when the resource-extracting industries of the oligarchs periodically polluted the tundra, Siberia and the Far East with waste, poured everything into the Ob, Yenisei and Lena You weren’t interested either when the Far East and Siberia was given to the Chinese, who, like locusts, destroy everything for profit, having previously polluted their nature, and this did not really interfere with your life. And here the whole threat turns out to be in a pair of uranium BOPSs, which no one is going to use on the territory of Russia, and the harm from them is 100500 orders of magnitude less than from any enterprise of Deripaska and his ilk. When they began to import third-rate palm oil by tankers and replace everything with it, it seemed to you that this was also in the order of things. Is it all the Anglo-Saxons Russophobes staged? And 4,5 myo new Russians from Central Asia, only at the beginning of this year, also brought the Anglo-Saxons?
  4. +8
    19 June 2023 04: 20
    Of course, depleted uranium is not a nuclear weapon. It's not in any bombs...
    In fairness, depleted uranium can sometimes be found in the design of nuclear warheads. It can be used to make neutron reflectors surrounding the nucleus. This reduces the critical mass. And in powerful three-stage thermonuclear munitions, it can act as a third circuit, i.e. as a directly fissile substance. But such charges are very "dirty" and therefore have never been tested. It's more theoretical. However, in practice, ordinary natural uranium, which has not undergone the isotope separation process, is more often used for reflectors.
    1. +7
      19 June 2023 04: 32
      In fairness, depleted uranium can sometimes be found in the design of nuclear warheads.

      Yes, we are not talking about nuclear warheads. It’s just that in many sources they write that shells were used in Yugoslavia and Iraq and bombs from depleted uranium. In fact, this material is used in classic weapons only as an armor-piercing element. smile
      1. -1
        19 June 2023 22: 57
        Quote: Eduard Perov
        In fact, this material in classic weapons is used only as an armor-piercing element.

        In Abrams, it is also used in the form of armored plates in the VLD towers from the A1M2 SEP2 version.
    2. -3
      19 June 2023 14: 18
      However, if this uranium is toxic, which seems to be proven, then it can be recognized as a chemical weapon with all the ensuing consequences. Russia has recognized it as a chemical weapon and that's it! And spit on all sorts of international courts! Still, they judge one-sidedly.
      1. -1
        20 June 2023 00: 54
        And then what? Well, the Americans, through well-known offices, supplied Saddam with chemical weapons components, with which he poisoned the Iranians and Kurds. Since this was before Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, it was good and right, the world community did not notice. By the way, Americans also sold anthrax to Saddam for research purposes. And then they were outraged
  5. +4
    19 June 2023 04: 30
    the enemy tank is destroyed or knocked out before its crew has time to see our equipment in the sights.
    Ideally !
  6. +1
    19 June 2023 04: 37
    A provocative article, I suppose that farts will explode among adherents of the depleted uranium bombs that bombed Belgrade and the radioactive cloud going to Poland. Moreover, it seems like not the last people in the country said about this cloud ...
    1. -2
      19 June 2023 23: 03
      Quote from Tim666
      among the adherents of the depleted uranium bombs that bombed Belgrade

      What are these bombs and what is their meaning? The UN conducted a large scientific examination to prove or disprove the relationship of cancer in military personnel and civilians in the database zone, where BC with depleted uranium was used. Result: No connection found. During wars, in addition to BC with depleted uranium, a lot of toxic and poisonous things are used, some rocket fuels from different missiles scatter many times more than any poison, and a lot of other things.
  7. KCA
    -1
    19 June 2023 05: 05
    What is the loss of properties, with a half-life of U238 of 4.5 billion years? so much the Earth will not live, and the shells will remain combat-ready
    1. AUL
      +5
      19 June 2023 07: 42
      And what about the half-life? Everything is much simpler - corrosion, cracking and deformation from temperature extremes and internal stresses of the metal, internal chemical reactions with microimpurities, etc. All this greatly affects the strength of scrap.
      1. KCA
        0
        20 June 2023 12: 53
        Uranium does not oxidize, tungsten, by the way, too, I have a piece of tungsten, I don’t know why and why it was made, a bar polished on both sides to a mirror, on one side there is a laser engraving of the USSR quality mark, it is at least 50 years old, someone else , despite internal chemical reactions, cracking and temperature changes, has never changed, what the hell is degradation? Shines like 30 years ago, which I have it. and uranium just took it and for five years about nothing?
  8. +1
    19 June 2023 05: 39
    There are very few tank duels on the fields of the NMD. Abram with his uranium wealth is undoubtedly a useful thing, but with the use of tanks that we usually see (super-heavy sniper rifle), Leo1 grandfathers with electronic upgrades fit better than him. So the Abramov battalion in the distant future (they obviously won't be here this summer) can be ignored for now. On the other hand, partners may remember the M60: with good upgrades (Desert Storm level and later), and most importantly in good quantity, it would go very well with the topic.
    1. 0
      19 June 2023 18: 57
      but with the use of tanks that we usually see (super heavy sniper rifle)

      By the way, where did this come from and is it true?
  9. +2
    19 June 2023 05: 46
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    what do you call the final victory of the Russian Federation over NATO

    "Maybe we offended someone in vain,
    dropping a hundred extra megatons,
    but it's nice to see how the earth burns,
    where the Pentagon used to be.
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  10. +2
    19 June 2023 06: 20
    Tank shells are not so bad, but if the Americans hand over the A-10 to the Ukrainians, then there is a 1 × 30-mm seven-barreled gun GAU-8 / A and there is a PGU-14 / B shell, an armor-piercing sub-caliber with a depleted uranium core in an aluminum case. It seems that the caliber is small, but there are 1350 shells in the tape, even if you equip a third of the PGU-14 / B in the tape, this is 450 shells
    1. +1
      19 June 2023 06: 29
      Quote: svp67
      Tank shells are half the trouble, if the Americans hand over the A-10 to the Ukrainians

      It is very unlikely that they will give a warthog, it does not fit well with the realities of the NWO. But uranium sub-calibers are actually not uncommon; they can be found for many automatic guns of the same Western infantry fighting vehicles.
      1. +3
        19 June 2023 07: 40
        By the way, even for six-barreled 20-mm caliber (Volcanoes) there is a uranium projectile (Mk149). A regular b / c pierces 12 mm at a kilometer along the normal, and uranium at the same distance - 33 mm. That is almost three times more.
      2. AUL
        +2
        19 June 2023 07: 54
        Quote: Negro
        It is very unlikely that they will give a warthog,

        It looks like they will anyway. Now they have once again raised the topic of writing off the A10. I think it is purposeful to transfer them to Kyiv.
        1. 0
          19 June 2023 08: 01
          Quote from AUL
          Now they have once again raised the topic of decommissioning A10

          This topic never came up. The Air Force hated this plane even before its appearance.
          Quote from AUL
          purposefully to transfer them to Kyiv.

          If you think rationally, then this is stupidity. But we have already seen a lot of stupidity. Let's see.
      3. -1
        19 June 2023 08: 01
        I take it Warthog isn't produced anymore? There is no replacement for it, and the States are not yet ready to abandon it. Therefore, they will not give, including
        1. +2
          19 June 2023 09: 28
          they are gradually withdrawing from service. Just now they are filming four dozen.
      4. -2
        19 June 2023 23: 22
        Quote: Negro
        It is very unlikely that they will give a warthog, it does not fit well with the realities of the NWO.

        Yeah, it was just created for the European theater of operations, it is hills and potholes, high-rise buildings and reinforced concrete complexes that are his favorite habitat. It flew low, surfaced, unloaded several tons of ammunition and dumped it, turned around, and a burst from GAU 8 emerged. This is not at all what the soldiers on the front line need now. The only thing is that this aircraft, unlike the F-16, can only be effectively used by experienced pilots, both to use weapons and maneuver tens of meters above the ground, and most likely after 3 months of blitz courses, the Armed Forces will lose everything quickly. But an experienced, nerve-wracked A10 pilot can make hell happen. And if you think about it, it is possible that one or another US Air Force veteran will sit at the helm.
  11. +2
    19 June 2023 07: 17
    When Putin, at a meeting with military officers a couple of days ago, was asked a question about the problems of supplying depleted uranium shells to the Armed Forces and, like, how it is planned to stop this problem, Putin answered with a smile saying that the question is garbage, they say they scared us, we also have them, since the times of the USSR. They say, like, he eliminated the threat of their use by the presence of the same with us. The military commissar looked at him as if he were a patient, saying that everything is clear, isn’t it easier AT ALL to prevent their delivery and use to us in Ukraine? But apparently Putin thinks better from the Kremlin than the new regions of the Russian Federation on the ground. He can’t live there in the contaminated lands, and he can’t raise children.
    Such things brothers
    1. -7
      19 June 2023 07: 41
      I think Putin knows what he's talking about. But you, you see, know better from the sofa in Kharkov
      1. +1
        19 June 2023 12: 51
        From which Kharkov? Head sick or something. ..
    2. +3
      19 June 2023 07: 59
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      they say this is all clear, isn’t it easier AT ALL to prevent their delivery and use to us in Ukraine?

      Not easier. It's not possible at all.
    3. -4
      19 June 2023 09: 10
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      The military commissar looked at him as if he were a patient, saying that everything is clear, isn’t it easier AT ALL to prevent their delivery and use to us in Ukraine?
      The military correspondents do not have reliable information about the plans of the enemy in order to judge the complexity, timeliness and consequences of solving the problem of a COMPLETE cessation of supplies to Ukraine. And even more so, you don’t have it to hang your cockroaches on military correspondents.
  12. +4
    19 June 2023 07: 49
    Quote from: wanna
    Now it's a war between Russia and NATO

    Well, how many NATO aircraft are there?
  13. 0
    19 June 2023 07: 52
    Quote: Pushkowed
    depleted uranium can sometimes be found in the design of nuclear warheads

    AND? The design of nuclear warheads still has room for plastic and metal components.
  14. +1
    19 June 2023 08: 18
    Projectiles with depleted uranium cores are prohibited for export. "Abrams" are exported with conventional shells - tungsten cores. Congressional approval is needed, but it may not be given.
  15. 0
    19 June 2023 08: 31
    Quote: svp67
    Tank shells are not so bad, but if the Americans hand over the A-10 to the Ukrainians, then there is a 1 × 30-mm seven-barreled gun GAU-8 / A and there is a PGU-14 / B shell, an armor-piercing sub-caliber with a depleted uranium core in an aluminum case.


    Enough for one flight. Without fighter cover, if our grouping has strong military air defense.
  16. +3
    19 June 2023 09: 25
    I have not heard about tank duels a la Prokhorovka in the war with Ukraine, so the meaning of the supply of such shells is incomprehensible - they are not needed for purposes other than fighting enemy tanks. Nothing is heard about the use of such shells by the Russian army - either they are not used at all, or they are used very limitedly and therefore they do not shine anywhere.
    Perhaps the British and Americans supply it simply because they must carry several pieces "just in case" into the regular ammunition load. I think there is more noise from them than the shells themselves will be delivered.
  17. +1
    19 June 2023 09: 26
    We all saw footage of the destruction of the Ukrainian "Leopards-2" and infantry fighting vehicles "Bradley"

    this photo is given in 90 percent of cases, it has already become familiar.
  18. +1
    19 June 2023 09: 44
    There are not so many tank battles .... and there are not so many tanks themselves. The main harm from Uranus is 20-30mm BOPS for A10 and BREDLEY autocannons .... and all sorts of NATO infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Of which they will shoot at everything that is possible and impossible.
  19. 0
    19 June 2023 09: 56
    Everything is fine, of course, only in the article there is a talk about 120mm crowbars, and the M1A1 will be delivered with a 105 mm gun, and the M1A2 is unlikely to be installed, in my opinion, the turret armor with the inclusion of depleted uranium
    1. -1
      19 June 2023 10: 18
      Quote: SlasherRUS
      М1А1 with 105 mm gun,

      105mm is just M1, now they are most likely gone. M1A1 is 120 mm.
  20. +1
    19 June 2023 10: 07
    Scrap uranium gives a certain (but not decisive) advantage in only one single tactical situation - in an oncoming battle, when the tanks are head-on at each other. In all other cases (for example, shooting from an ambush at the side projection of the target), no uranium crowbars are needed - an ordinary high-explosive fragmentation projectile is enough.

    In addition, no major tank battles, let alone battles, were observed during the NMD. Basically, anti-tankers, sappers, artillerymen and pilots are fighting against tankers. So in all the variety of tactical situations, uranium scrap has only a very narrow band of the spectrum, where it gets some advantage over other ammunition.
    1. 0
      20 June 2023 01: 00
      A possible goal is to spoil the territory to the maximum
  21. 0
    19 June 2023 10: 59
    I also read about Soviet cumulative 125mm shells where the funnel was made using depleted uranium.
  22. 0
    19 June 2023 11: 40
    Well, they are approved for use and completely legal. If you want to make them illegal, it is not enough just to complain about the harm of these ammunition. Nobody cares as long as it doesn't affect them. You can simply dig up the uranium tails that were brought to us by Germany, France, etc., make concrete-piercing bombs out of them to destroy bunkers, etc., while declaring to everyone that we will use them only on the territory of western Ukraine and, if it comes business in NATO countries. Several such applications against objects near the Polish border with the corresponding damage to all living things - and the enemies themselves will run to the UN to ask for a ban on uranium ammunition.
  23. +1
    19 June 2023 12: 10
    And how much better / worse than American ones are our shells with a uranium core?
  24. 0
    19 June 2023 12: 55
    "Chrysanthemum-S" can act as an antidote? The range of its missiles is (if my memory serves me) about 6 km, it is unlikely that the Abrams gun has a similar range.
  25. 0
    19 June 2023 15: 02
    I absolutely agree with the conclusion of the author.
    When tanks appear near our borders, assign numbers, lead, transmit their location in real time, up to destruction.
  26. +1
    19 June 2023 15: 32
    The second is increased armor penetration. Yes, the density of depleted uranium is even slightly less than that of tungsten. Nevertheless, its heavy alloys with titanium and other elements have specific physical and chemical properties, including ductility. They allow uranium cores to form an optimal contact patch for penetration with armor or, to put it more simply, “self-sharpen” in the process of breaking through an obstacle. Thus, the gain in millimeters of the hole can reach 10 percent or more compared to tungsten.


    And not a word about the main property of depleted uranium - pyrophoricity. The dust of depleted uranium spontaneously ignites upon contact with air, which translates these projectiles into a group of armor-piercing incendiary ones.

    I don’t know what gain in armor penetration this gives, but the damage from penetration increases incredibly. As the armor breaks through, the projectile grinds (as it is rightly written in the article) forming dust, and then not only a “scrap” flies into the tank, but also a burning cloud of dust. When they were used in Iraq, according to the testimonies of those participating, Iraqi tanks simply burned from the inside along with the crew.

    Moreover, it is important to understand that depleted uranium is used not only in tank shells, but also in ammunition for automatic guns. Have you imagined an infantry fighting vehicle that "sews" with such shells?
  27. -1
    19 June 2023 15: 43
    Again reflections on the topic of tank duels. And who breaks through how much and with what. But to be honest, there are almost no tank battles in Ukraine and are not expected. Indeed, the role of the tank has changed a lot now, and they are already writing that they are used as self-propelled guns ... Although it is clear that a self-propelled gun from a tank is so-so.
  28. -1
    19 June 2023 21: 11
    Quote from: wanna
    When the first shots of the war were fired, Ukraine was already the unequivocal loser. I don't understand why Ukrainians still fantasize about victory all day long. Now this is a war between Russia and NATO, and both sides are fighting for the ultimate victory. After everything calms down, there will be a lot of nuclear waste, destroyed walls, unexploded ordnance and mines, disabled people with broken legs on the ground.

    And all this is due to the existence of an evil race on earth - the Anglo-Saxons, who created hatred and division of other races. They are the ones who start the war. This evil race will one day be destroyed by the awakened humanity.

    Complete nonsense, but Genghis Khan, Macedonian, Rome, etc. Yes, from the time of the tribes they fought and will fight. What prevents you from creating a state better than the Anglo-Saxons, for example, in terms of living standards, the ability to create new things, etc. That you repeat the old truth, in order to rally the society, it is necessary to show the external enemy. On one condition that you do nothing at home.
  29. -1
    19 June 2023 21: 46
    Quote from Bingo
    I said yesterday, and I will repeat it, because de bills!!!
    I just can not understand why there is an understanding in the minds that:
    1) The purpose of propaganda is to fool
    2) Ukraine was purposefully subjected to anti-Russian propaganda even before the collapse of the USSR, and after - that is, over 30 years
    But to add the first to the second - stubbornly no one wants to!!!

    Tell me, you are so savvy in some matters, why, in an interview published on the Military Chronicle channel, Prigozhin says, "don't forget that for them this is the Patriotic War." Is he dumb??
    And the reasons for the failures of 1941, well, this propaganda was bad with us, however .... but it’s not good, right?
    And the Gagauz in Moldova, also stupid, they are told by NATO, the European Union, but they, no, do not want to. And why do you think everyone in Ukraine is idiots? Showed earlier on May 9, a lot of people came to honor and no propaganda helped. and now it has become quieter, although if they fly on your head, the thoughts of anyone will start to get confused. And everything is simple - stupid people. But a strange thing, when I was there during the union, I didn’t hear any language, they spoke without an accent in Russian, and today’s video from their side confirms that they mostly speak Russian, but they are fighting against us. Maybe not everything is so smooth and unambiguous? But this requires mental abilities, to put it simply, stupid people.
  30. +1
    20 June 2023 13: 22
    Quote from Etwas
    What prevents you from creating a state better than the Anglo-Saxons, for example, in terms of living standards, the ability to create new ones, etc.


    We already have a better state than the Anglo-Saxons. Since it stands on its own feet, and does not sit on other people's necks, it does not build its prosperity on the robbery of those who are weaker and less developed.

    The Anglo-Saxons called Russia (then still the USSR) "Upper Volta with missiles." Upper Volta - now called Burkina Faso, which locally means "Country of Honest People".
    Yes, we are a country of honest people (even if there are enough crooks in the "elite", but we consider them to be crooks) with missiles. And honest people, even if they do not live well, do not want to be like the descendants of island robbers and pirates, who now simply live on what their ancestors plundered.
  31. 0
    19 July 2023 06: 33
    "these deliveries will not change anything and are generally useless." This is true. In general, you need to make more tanks than shells, and UVZ will help with this.
  32. -1
    4 August 2023 01: 10
    Quote: karabas-barabas
    When Putin invited Europe to dump nuclear waste from their nuclear power plant in the Taiga

    Nobody told you that you are gray, like a felt boot? After all, they spoke. But you wisely do not believe in slander.
  33. -1
    19 August 2023 15: 29
    Everything is correct. Underestimating the enemy in the end led to what we have now