Sniper war in Chechnya

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During the very first armed clashes on the territory of the Chechen Republic in the winter of 1994-1995. revealed almost complete lack of preparation of the Russian troops for the sniper war. During the fighting in Chechnya in 1995-1996, more than 26 percent of the wounds of federal troops were bullet wounds. According to some eyewitnesses, in the battles for Grozny in the 8 Army Corps at the beginning of January 1995, almost all the officers in the platoon-company link were knocked out by sniper fire. For example, in the 81 motorized rifle regiment at the beginning of January, ten soldiers and one officer remained in the ranks.

For the defense of the city in general and for the sniper war, in particular, Chechen militants prepared in advance: positions were equipped and prepared, communications were established, actions were coordinated, and tactics worked out. There was enough time for the militants to train Dzhokhar Dudayev, weapons Also enough: when leaving Chechnya, the army left 533 sniper rifles of the SVD among other weapons. Chechen snipers worked very competently, efficiently and brutally. Most often, sniper pairs served as the basis of mobile fire groups, which in addition to snipers included two submachine gunners, a machine gunner and a grenade launcher.

Sniper war in ChechnyaChechnya Fight in city blocks

Our infantry was absolutely not ready for a sniper war in the city. There is a case in which an infantry colonel sent an entire motorized rifle company to "catch" a highly annoying sniper: "He’s sitting somewhere over there."

However, not all have forgotten the combat experience of the Great Patriotic War. During the preparation for the mission to Chechnya, several sniper groups were created in the regiment of the Airborne Forces Special Forces. During the fighting in the center of Grozny, the Volgograd Corps of General Rokhlin lost from sniper fire to 30 people a day, and after snipers of special forces of the airborne troops worked there, losses were reduced to two people a day. By the beginning of February, the majority of Dudayev professional snipers had been destroyed - this was evidenced, first of all, by the changed nature of the wounds of federal troops.

Nevertheless, the withdrawal of the first month of fighting showed that the Russian soldiers were forced to start again from scratch and at the cost of their blood to learn what they should have been taught long before the fighting.

At the end of the "first Chechen", our military leadership made a logical conclusion that the sniper war was lost. For about half a century, the Russian Armed Forces did not have special training units for snipers, as a result of which the experience of their tactical use was lost. The troops have no weapons that meet modern requirements, nor equipment for a military sniper.

The 12,7-mm self-loading rifle OSV-96 is a good weapon for long-distance operation. Its fighting qualities in the mountains are especially pronounced.

A vivid confirmation of how highly efficient the professional sniper cadres are, can be the combat practice of the personnel of the Russian sniper training center in Solnechnogorsk (in the troops it is usually called just "K-43" - by the number of its creation order). This training unit was created in September 1999 by the directive of the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces. To recruit a sniper school at its disposal from the districts officers were sent, the most trained in the field of sniping. Selected cadres received 6-month training and received the title of sniper-instructor. The main task of the Solnogorsk training company is to train instructors for sniper schools in military districts, to develop curricula and to deepen the development of tactical actions of single snipers and sniper groups in various types of combat operations.

In the training company, soldiers of fixed-term service who have undergone rigorous qualification selection also study. "K-43" regularly sends its students for combat training in the Chechen Republic. According to media reports, under Bamut during the counter-terrorism campaign in the Chechen Republic, snipers destroyed 44 militants, including 16 junior commanders, 3 leading field commanders and 12 instructors, including foreign mercenaries 7; disabled 8 units of equipment. During the storming of Grozny in the spring of 2000, this unit destroyed the 51 fighter, including 30 middle field commanders, 8 leading field commanders, 6 instructors, mercenaries; disabled 20 units of equipment. Over the entire period of hostilities in the spring and summer of 2000, the Russian shooters eliminated the Chechen snipers 28, thus preserving the lives of dozens of soldiers.

Today, the Solnogorsk training company is engaged in the compilation of experience, the improvement of tactics of application and other issues of the development of sniping. In addition to training instructors for other schools in Solnechnogorsk, they make up combat training programs for snipers for various military units, develop tactics for using snipers and sniper groups in various types of combat and in various terrain, determine the needs for sniper weapons and equipment.

Chechnya Sniper of the internal troops. April 1995 g

In terms of tactics development, this war has given a lot, now it is important not to lose the combat experience paid with blood. One of the specific features of the fighting in the North Caucasus region is the massive use of snipers in the guerrilla war. During the hostilities in Dagestan and Chechnya (1999-2000), the scale and their effectiveness were such that the Russian military rightly talked about the "sniper war." The Chechen shooters used not only regular Russian-made weapons (SVD and VSS), but also machine guns equipped with optics, as well as sports rifles adapted for sniping.

The typical weapons of the militant unit, consisting of 9-10 man, are 6 Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications (7,62-mm AKM or AKMS), 1 manual or single machine gun (7,62-mm RPK, 5,45-mm RPK-74 or 7,62-mm PKM) The 1 RPG-7 grenade launcher, 4-5 single-use grenade launchers (RPG-18, RPG-22 or RPG-26) and one sniper rifle SVD.

The main methods of combat operations of illegal armed formations are the shelling of garrisons, guard posts, checkpoints and escorts; conducting attacks (raids); device ambushes; committing sabotage and terrorist acts; seizure of important objects and hostages.

When conducting shelling, groups of numbers from 10 to 50 people are singled out. Most often shelling is carried out at night, using all types of weapons that are available, including sniper.

Ambushes are most often carried out on the roads or probable paths of movement of the federal troops with the aim of destroying personnel, capturing prisoners, weapons and materiel; sniper groups are usually part of the fire group, ensuring the defeat of manpower and the destruction of equipment, and the group that impedes enemy maneuver.

In the mountains, a sniper special tactics

During the fighting on the territory of Dagestan (August-September 1999), Chechen rebel fighters actively used the characteristic tactical methods of using snipers. In particular, they practiced the seizure of dominant heights, the most profitable routes, passes and the location of long-range fire weapons there, including snipers. Often used small fire groups, consisting of a mortar, a grenade launcher and a sniper pair. At the same time, snipers fired under the cover of sounds from mortar and grenade launchers from caves and other shelters. In the implementation of the withdrawal, the militants used consolidated firing cover groups - 1-2 mortar calculations, 2 calculation of large-caliber machine guns, 2 sniper, 2 rocket launcher, 1-2 calculation AGS-17.

A little later, in the conduct of hostilities in the territory of the Chechen Republic (November 1999 of the year), illegal armed groups used the methods of partisan warfare. Just as during the first Chechen conflict of 1994-1996, without entering into direct contact with federal forces, the illegal armed groups preferred to operate in small groups of 3-5 people, including a grenade launcher, sniper, machine gunner and 1-2 machine gunners. This group in many cases included sappers who mined the position after the group left. The principle of their actions is very simple: the main group opens fire (sometimes even not aimed) at an object of federal forces, and the sniper chooses targets and destroys them under the cover of battle noise.

Militants did not count on great results, being content with short but frequent and successful shelling without loss on their part. Snipers often occupied positions in the trees. Not far from the shooters (in a circle or square of the forest), there were observers who opened targets and directed snipers at them.

Particular attention is paid to the tactics of the actions of the so-called "combat triples", consisting of a sniper, a grenade thrower and a machine gunner. This method of fighting was worked out by Chechen militants even during the first assault on Grozny in the winter of the 1995 of the year. On the ground, such a troika is dispersed. The submachine gunner starts the battle, shelling the enemy and thereby causing fire on himself; the sniper identifies the firing points that have identified themselves with fire, and destroys them; The grenade launcher, using battle noise as a cover, hits armored vehicles and vehicles.

When conducting defense of the site, immediately before the start of artillery preparation by federal forces or during strikes aviation groups of militants made a quick dash towards Russian troops in a safe zone and hid on the ground. After the beginning of the attack of the federal troops, the militants shot the soldiers almost point blank - from a distance of 100-150 meters. At the same time, snipers sought in the first minutes of the battle to destroy the command staff and active soldiers and sergeants in order to sow panic.

Sniper first Chechen ...

Most effectively sniper groups are used by militants in combat in a locality. First of all, they incapacitate officers, drivers and radio operators. Each sniper operates under the guise of five or six militants, one of whom is at least a grenade launcher. Shooting positions are usually chosen according to the classical principle - on the middle floors of buildings, in the back of rooms. Breaks in the walls of houses are widely used. Machine gunners occupy the lower floors, and the grenade throwers are located on the upper level.

It is very common among Chechen snipers to receive when, in order to destroy as many people as possible, he first “shoots” one soldier (usually a wound to a limb), then immobilizes his comrades who help him in the same way and eventually finishes everyone.

Used and lone snipers. These people, as a rule, are professionals, planned in advance their actions in detail, choosing the most advantageous low-profile positions in attics and upper floors of houses (more often in corner apartments — it is convenient to fire from there in several directions). The prepared positions were equipped with caches of weapons and ammunition.

Sniper of the Russian special forces with a rifle CB-98

As another characteristic feature of the war in Chechnya, it is necessary to note the use of special Russian-made sniper weapons by the militants — OSV-96 large-caliber rifle and BCC and VSK-94 silent rifles.

Sniper war in Chechnya through the eyes of a modern journalist: “Night. Pleasant time to work. Night sight,“ fifty-first, ”is a great thing, you can see everything in it. Last time, at a great distance, shot Niva with militants, drove a clip there. Who I got, who I don’t have, is unknown, but the raspberries spoiled them. According to the information, in this house, where the car arrived, there was a gangster burial ... But this night is not at all. It is divided by seconds. , but it is impossible to break away. Oleg every second waits for a shot. Below, under the mound, on which oh they sat down with a radio operator, with a radio station "Crossbow", a small factory sprawled. There was a sniper wound up, who managed to spoil enough of ours. The task was to calculate it, nothing more. At your own risk, the Pipe decided to work in its own way. Tick off that bastard what's the point if he immediately changes his position. We must try to hit the flash. This is the most difficult option, but if you are lucky, you can’t think better. There is no order to shoot, but he has been waiting an hour and a half for an hour, not looking up from the sight ... Radioman is silent nearby, insuring him with a gun.

Finally, he still waited. A flash of a shot flickered in a ribbed opening, such as a duralumin hangar. He immediately took aim and sent a bullet there. Distance order 350 meters. At that instant, he managed to take into account the fact that it is not necessary to beat the flash itself, because it is the trunk, but a little to the side, where the creature’s head should be. Or, at worst, the body. It is clearly audible as the bullet passes through a thin wall. He hits the target point. Unable to verify defeat. They with the radio operator immediately reeled up so as not to fall under the very possible retaliatory strike. Sniper could easily work with a cover. The deed was done. Nobody shat from the little factory anymore ... "(O. Kolomiets." Everything was not in vain, sniper ... "- Soldier of Fortune, 2001, No. 6).
And yet, despite all the difficulties, Russian snipers many times proved their skills in this war. In particular, sniper Alexander Chernyshov for courage and heroism shown during the counter-terrorist operation in the Chechen Republic, was awarded the title Hero of the Russian Federation.
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  1. +9
    14 December 2012 10: 29
    I respect snipers immensely. Well, how much patience do they need in life? What about Baltic female snipers? Were there any? What did ours do with them?
    1. +10
      14 December 2012 10: 59
      Trailer
      Why is it the Baltic ones - inspired by the film "Purgatory"? There were not many snipers. In the memoirs of the veterans, it was mainly indicated that on the "front line" there were mainly snipers-men. Although they even caught a mercenary from Russia.
      1. Vanek
        +6
        14 December 2012 11: 02
        Quote: Prometey
        Although even a mercenary from Russia was caught.


        And imagine even scary what happened to her.
        1. +4
          14 December 2012 12: 47
          Vanek
          She could be lucky, she fell into the hands of the FSB, sent to a pre-trial detention center. Further, the investigation, the court and the traces are lost.
        2. Zynaps
          +1
          15 December 2012 01: 03
          if we are talking about a real case with a former biathlete athlete from near Tula, then nothing special. served a little and freed herself. the prosecution had problems with the evidence base.
          1. Eric
            0
            15 December 2012 08: 22
            I think we are talking about a Muscovite, one whose parents were wealthy ...
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    2. Fox
      +21
      14 December 2012 11: 32
      a comrade told me that they caught two aunts in the first Chechen one, the Baltic one, and the second Russian ... they ripped one in half with an armored personnel carrier, and dropped the second from the turntable, putting a grenade in the vagina ... the comrade sniper was ... there were many business trips where he went.
      1. -3
        14 December 2012 13: 08
        What lovely guys are your friends! With a rich imagination.
        1. Fox
          +6
          14 December 2012 13: 41
          Quote: Karavan
          What lovely guys are your friends! With a rich imagination.

          in fact, these creatures of our guys shot ... and if they had left them alive, they would have paid off.
          1. UPStoyan
            +4
            14 December 2012 16: 54
            About the fact that women snipers were torn apart by armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, I also heard from my teacher at the military department at the academy. He made the first Chechen two business trips.
        2. +9
          14 December 2012 17: 05
          What lovely guys
          In war as in war. Come to kill - be prepared for death yourself. And the way and the place is at the discretion of the host, as they say, the party.
        3. Hon
          0
          16 December 2012 16: 06
          They should have been poor, unhappy girls than to drink and let go with sweets, scolding so they would no longer shoot
      2. Hon
        +2
        14 December 2012 17: 22
        My friend also told me that they had torn Czechs with armored personnel carriers
  2. +2
    14 December 2012 10: 35
    Interesting article, thanks !!!
  3. Samovar
    +5
    14 December 2012 10: 39
    For example, in the 81st motorized rifle regiment at the beginning of January, ten soldiers and one officer remained in service

    The 81st regiment was of course seriously battered, but not to that extent.
    In general, it is very good that finally we began to engage in serious training of snipers, although this awareness came at the cost of blood and losses.
    Quote: Karavan
    What did our

    A queue in the back of the head and all things, especially since they, too, didn’t feel sorry for us.
  4. Mopnex
    +1
    14 December 2012 10: 56
    Quote:] Nevertheless, the conclusion of the first month of fighting showed that the Russian soldiers were forced to start again from scratch and at the cost of their blood to learn what they should have been taught long before the fighting. [/ Quote



    And there’s nothing to add here ...
  5. +5
    14 December 2012 11: 04
    Sometimes the stupidity of our generals is simply amazing. Why close the sniper schools? Sorry, I forgot that the ministers have stools!
    1. orfo
      +9
      14 December 2012 11: 09
      in the government of those times (?) there were many traitors, including those who turned our guys over to bearded
    2. Zynaps
      +7
      15 December 2012 03: 00
      Quote: omsbon
      Sometimes the stupidity of our generals is simply amazing.


      the stupidity of citizens who consider themselves smarter than the General Staff strikes even more.

      Quote: omsbon
      Why close the sniper schools?


      which schools? First you need to decide which sniper schools. Army and police sniper training are two big differences. in the army of snipers (or rather, the Marxists - a more accurate term), they used to prepare. for motorized rifles, reconnaissance groups of military and special intelligence.
      state security and anti-terror, of course, sniper personnel had and prepared for their tasks. and there was no great need for them. snipers are soldiers of trench warfare. The "stupid" generals were not going to sit in trenches, as at Sevastopol and Stalingrad, but to wage a modern battle with much more powerful fire forces and weapons. the fact that there would be a lingering local hell on its territory, in some kind of lousy Chechnya, it would have seemed nonsense to anyone, until 1994, but then such troubles fell on the country, people and army, that some sniper schools were children's tears inside the cataclysm.

      now it's easy to blame. and remember what was happening throughout the former Union at that time?
  6. +4
    14 December 2012 11: 35
    I was very surprised to read this article. I remember very well that at KMB they explained to us that the Syrian sniper school put on stream by Soviet specialists is much stronger than ours and that measures are taken at the IDF to overcome this gap, but this will take up to 15 years. So what did the Syrians teach, but have forgotten how to do it yourself? This is doubtful, especially in the 1994 year there were a mass of officers passing Afghanistan.
    1. Brother Sarych
      +3
      14 December 2012 12: 02
      In my opinion, no army is ready for a sniper war, as well as for a guerrilla war, in my opinion - any measures can be taken, but an enemy sniper will always find the moment to cause damage ...
      1. +1
        14 December 2012 14: 21
        The Atnis Sniper War was not poorly studied by ours during the Second World War. Were very good. effective operating time. This can be judged simply by looking at the results of the actions of our snipers during this period. How many German snipers they have on their accounts. That is, I want to say that we have experience in waging an anti-sniper war. And the experience is very serious. As for the fact that the sniper is a formidable weapon, I agree.
        Article - "+"
      2. Demon_Ex
        +2
        14 December 2012 15: 27
        This is a memo on anti-sniper fighting that walked around the troops during the 1st Chechen one. Unfortunately not the original.
        1. scrack
          0
          15 December 2012 00: 12
          How many guys lay down so that this memo appeared ... His bright memory
    2. Demon_Ex
      +2
      14 December 2012 15: 23
      Aaron Zawi
      I was very surprised to read this article. I remember very well that at KMB they explained to us that the Syrian sniper school put on stream by Soviet specialists is much stronger than ours and that measures are taken at the IDF to overcome this gap, but this will take up to 15 years. So what did the Syrians teach, but have forgotten how to do it yourself? This is doubtful, especially in the 1994 year there were a mass of officers passing Afghanistan.

      Indeed, the Soviet sniper school was one of the best after the Second World War. But in Syria, snipers were trained not by ordinary army military experts, but by instructors of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR. It’s just that during the Cold War everyone was thinking about a supermobile war, where mainly armored units would be involved as breakthrough troops. But they simply forgot about the sniper war, as inconsistent with this doctrine. And until recently, GRU units trained excellent snipers. Now sniper trainers are trained in Solnechnogorsk.
  7. +3
    14 December 2012 11: 53
    The article is excellent, though completely taken from the book "The history of the development of sniper art."
  8. +4
    14 December 2012 12: 41

    Of course, it is necessary to develop schools for the training of highly skilled fighters who own sniper weapons to perfection.
    1. Filin
      +4
      14 December 2012 17: 10
      We made such costumes in one night). A thread, a needle, a canvas bag, an old camouflage uniform and several pieces of net masks.
      They also used bleach (for whitening), a metal comb (for combing the ends of the tapes), brilliant green, iodine (this is for tinting certain areas if the terrain dictates)
      For everything about everything - 6 hours.
      The costume shown in the photo is very primitive (only the upper part of the costume)
    2. Yasniper
      0
      13 March 2013 02: 51
      Search with disguise, he also carries a fire extinguisher?
  9. +2
    14 December 2012 13: 33
    it’s clear from the article that in the Russian general staff and long time ago the diots have entrenched themselves firmly .. for nothing, they’re not ready for anything ... well, at least now the matter has moved from the dead point ...
    1. Alver
      0
      17 December 2012 23: 44
      vsmysla- moved?
      Something for earring such a hope? Naive .....
  10. +2
    14 December 2012 15: 36
    I would like to believe that we have drawn conclusions and implemented, otherwise they forgot all the blood-paid foundations and methods of our grandfathers and fathers, not only in the sniper war, but also in the city, forest and mountains.
  11. 0
    14 December 2012 16: 56
    Good article. The main thing is not to forget the lessons of wars. I feel that soon there will be more such lessons.
  12. +3
    14 December 2012 17: 12
    As the history of Russia of the last 100 years shows, the majority of peacetime generals are not suitable for military operations. The whole service of these generals is peaceful years for a career, therefore, everywhere is window dressing, and not the actual training of soldiers and officers in military affairs. Hence the inability and loss of experience of past wars, again soldiers and officers shed their blood and give their lives "stepping on the same rake."
    The generals study, as in 1941-1942, shedding the blood of our soldiers and eliminate the gaps in their military education.
    1. +1
      14 December 2012 19: 52
      I think that's not even the point, or not exactly that. On the other side, the same officers of the Soviet army, who underwent the same training, the same Afghan, fought in the first Chechen army, but they were smart enough to organize, unfortunately, a successful sniper war, and our "Grachevs" tanks were brought into the city. The point is largely in irresponsibility and indifference.
      1. +1
        14 December 2012 20: 42
        Quote: Chen
        On the other side, the same officers of the Soviet army who underwent the same training, the same Afghan, fought in the first Chechen

        I heard from the guys that right before the first Chechen war, our generals fired all Chechens, Ingush from the army. They fired indiscriminately, those who supported Dudaev and those who did not love him. So they had no problems with professionals !!!
        1. 0
          14 December 2012 21: 07
          Yes you are right. And we must also recall the combat experience of the sniper war of the Chechens in Abkhazia.
          And nothing is science for us - here again, the army is ruined by the hands of the country's political elite, and the scale of the collapse sticks out over the abyss like a periscope over the abyss.
  13. iSpoiler
    +2
    14 December 2012 17: 24


    NO COMMENTS ....
  14. +5
    15 December 2012 07: 02
    Of course I will speak out .... I have every right ... yes, I agree with the author of the article, Himself a former two-time champion, first of the city, then of the republic (north of Russia). still the end of the eighties (rifle). Yes, he was a parachutist))))). This is what I want to say ... Once, it is fair, according to the distribution in the Airborne Forces (mountainous area) .. I was surprised by the teaching at the Sniper School ... Than ... HM .... PRIMITIVITY ,,,, Several formulas for SVD, Shooting practice , the basics of masking on the ground ... A little tactics ... I understand ... That the Airborne Forces is not a GRU ... But all the same ... It's such a primitive ... No topic for creativity ... I walked through the taiga ... When I stole in the "self-propelled vehicle" at night a piece of mesh from the anti-aircraft gunners from ZUshka. everyone looked at me like an idiot .. "They say why the hell be a normal kid .. do not ponte." I was not allowed to shoot the mechanics under my own eyes ... I insisted they gave me .. Many times they gave out rifles to the devil who knows how they were shot ... and they demanded RESULT ,,, RESULT RESULT, To my exclamations ... "HOW TO after all, not my vintar "they said .." You are a cyper here SVD omnipotent go and shoot. " So what did you expect from such a "sniper school" What results? This attitude was right up to the first Chechen one and the result is predictable ... Rifles are not targeted, a sniper, for example, from St. Petersburg (well, what kind of sniper he is in the bulk ... he went out into the forest twice in his life, he does not know how the forest bursts in frost, or a dry forest underfoot clicks on the whole forest ..) .. What are you talking about? Therefore, there were such losses among the "Snipers", including ... God forbid, if everything has changed since then ... although I think ... in parts, NO has not changed .... And SVDha junk is inaccurate (yes, yes. .. not accurate if I had not fired from vintars most of my life would not have spoken). Everything needs to be changed .. And in the Army there is not even a single awareness and understanding of the "Sniper complex weapons" ..no tasks or goals .. nothing ... There are some examples. BUT .... things are still there. The TKB 10K rifle has not yet gone into production ... Why? What idiot rejected her for the army? Yes even special forces? What a bastard? For those who understand what is happening and who are not indifferent to the sniper business, of course it is insulting. And of course me too ..
  15. +1
    15 December 2012 07: 38
    And here's what I want to say ... It is not possible to become a sniper (good and alive) .. They need to be ..... BE .... from childhood .. To hunt through the taiga, poke around with my father's double-barreled gun, equip cartridges , go hunt in secret from your father and the police and gamekeepers at (any time of the year) .. Craft your SAMOPALS for Ducks ... This is what real snipers grow out of. You can make a sniper .... BUT not for long ... A sniper is always a hunter and an actor and a director, very, very much, and the direction of the wind, and the season, and a MILLION MORE THINGS. What is this "shkodizm for". Yes, so that the anti-aircraft bullet does not run into and the task is completed ... By the way, the commander always dragged me with him, well, not always of course.))) When "baked" under the order "PERSONAL GUARD, DEFENSE, "Why ....? Because I was the best then. AND THERE ... Although now I just laugh at myself then. Older and smarter and more experienced ... 20 years .. Therefore, a SNIPER is not the ability to shoot (there are a million of them in the shooting range). A sniper is you yourself .. Since childhood, since the time of shooting at sparrows with slingshots. Sniping is LIFE AND EXPERIENCE, that is, everything according to the laws of mother nature, plus modern weapons. BUT ... With the pace of modern development of sniper systems, "long-range" shooting is gradually going almost beyond the horizon. And if there are guided bullets, then their price goes beyond the horizon. And it is compared in cost with inexpensive missile systems. The best sniper rifles in the world of the best calibers (BARRET) in this regard ... probably the best (price-quality). And a range of about 2 kilometers is good, but it is more of an exotic mountainous country such as Afganitsan. Above benny people who are experimenting with the world's arms companies. We need a "school of training snipers" to become virtuosos of this complex and dangerous art to protect their homeland,
  16. 0
    16 December 2012 20: 22
    Solnechnogorsk, does anyone know if there is a case near the Flame training center there?