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The first judicial fruits of the WTO

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The first judicial fruits of the WTOEU, USA and Japan offer Russian authorities to meet in commercial court

Less than six months after our country received official status of a member of the World Trade Organization, the fruits of this adventure were not long in coming. Apparently, the “pretend marriage” promised by the Russian authorities will not work. Senior partners in the trading mesalliance are in a hurry to declare the need for the Russian Federation to fulfill its obligations for the presale preparation of the most tidbits of the Russian market. Their unenviable fate consists in the subsequent posting by sharks of transnational business.

As it became known, representatives of the United States, the European Union and Japan are already preparing to submit claims to Russia through joint efforts. Speaking recently at the WTO Goods Trade Council, the Commissioner from the European Union reminded the Russian leadership that all members of the trade club are obliged to play by the rules, which imply, in particular, the rejection of the use of "protectionist measures." The fact is that at the end of November, Russia banned the supply of pig products from Latvia due to the unfavorable sanitary and epidemic situation among our Baltic neighbors, where an outbreak of the classic swine fever had recently erupted. Even the "senior comrades" in the WTO are unhappy with the "discrimination" of Italian beef, which the Rosselkhoznadzor has wrapped up due to the inadequate documentation.

If the international Themis, who suffers from night blindness in relation to Russia, decides against Moscow, the Russian consumer will be doomed to eat “plague” proteins.

However, in the near future Russia will be presented with a number of questions. Thus, a separate item on the agenda of the above-mentioned meeting of the Council on Trade was “On the implementation by Russia of the WTO agreements: statement by the European Union, Japan and the USA” In addition to the contested ban on the import of live cattle from the European Union, the utilization fee for cars imported to Russia and even the parameters of state support for the domestic oil industry are mentioned as inadmissible measures. That is, the industry that forms the basis of the petroleum dollar well-being of our budget. In turn, MEPs decided to go even further. Their efforts in the near future Russian state bodies may be overwhelmed with subpoenas from the WTO courts. Among other things, the provisions of the law on public procurement will be challenged, according to which the preference should be given to the Russian producer during the development of budget funds. The authors of the document consider that “the established trade barriers caused great harm to exporters from the European Union”.

Moreover, the judicial misadventures of the defendants from the Russian side do not end there, but rather, they are just beginning, since the Europeans clearly intend, in the procedure established by the WTO rules of procedure, to indicate to Russia with whom to unite, create alliances, be friends, and with whom (according to the principle know what you need ") to be on opposite sides of the geopolitical barricades. In Brussels, the “brainchild” of Vladimir Putin entitled “The Customs Union and Eurasian Integration”, widely publicized within Russia, has already been sharply criticized. According to the old-timers of the WTO, our country's membership in the Customs Union with Kazakhstan and Belarus "goes against the rules of the WTO." As was to be expected, our overseas well-wishers immediately consolidated with such a position. In this connection, the US Secretary of State Mrs. Hillary Clinton agreed to the point that a monstrous sedition is hidden under such names as the Customs Union and the Eurasian Union - an attempt to restore its sphere of influence in the post-Soviet space. According to her, "Sovietization will not work." “You can't make a mistake. We know what is the goal, and we are trying to find an effective way to slow down or prevent this process, ”- that's what Hillary Clinton literally said. Moreover, after the Russian elites managed, by hook or by crook, to draw Russia into the WTO, another challenging attempt to shamelessly intervene in the affairs of sovereign states would in fact be legitimized by Russia's participation in the free-traders club.

By the way, it will be interesting to see what counter-arguments Vladimir Putin will show, from which the West is now clearly trying to knock out his old rhetorical “chair” in the form of a Eurasian integration project promised before the elections to the Russian audience. It can be said, for our high-ranking “colloquial artist”, the moment of truth is coming.

The publicist and public figure Maxim Kalashnikov tells how the declared by the Russian authorities vector for Eurasian integration with the forced involvement of Russia in the global economic structures agrees.

- Sometimes it seems that our government suffers from schizophrenia, when the left hand does one thing and the right hand does another. That is, there are mutually exclusive things. Many experts initially warned: either we are creating the Customs Union and are engaged in the reintegration of the post-Soviet space, or are joining the WTO. Because, relatively speaking, it is impossible to simultaneously belong to the National Socialist Party of Germany and have a membership card of the CPSU (b). Here, as in a joke about the "cross and underwear" - if you take off your underwear, then about the cross, be kind, do not forget.

However, our government does not see any contradictions when it takes mutually exclusive steps. From the very beginning, analysts warned that the Russian Federation did not have enough lawyers who were well prepared to defend the Russian position and conduct trade disputes in the WTO courts. Naturally, Europeans are well aware of this and are trying to take advantage of this situation. It’s not necessary to compare business conditions in the Russian Federation and European countries. In the EU, on average per hectare of arable land accounts for about 450 dollars of state subsidies. And in Finland, if I'm not mistaken, more than 500 euro. That is, the local agriculture (by the way, like the Soviet agribusiness) receives massive government support.

Without these subsidies (including subsidies for the purchase or leasing of agricultural machinery) prices for European food products would be 40 – 50% higher. Naturally, Europe is not going to refuse such volumes of support. And they will punish us for it, taking advantage of the fact that the mechanism of protection of domestic producers does not work. The Putin team will quite naturally run into lawsuits through the WTO. As they will fight back from them, I, frankly, I will not attach my mind. Because if our management accepts these requirements, then our producers (and not only in agriculture) will immediately go bankrupt. What does it mean to remove the requirement of priority participation of domestic producers in the system of public procurement from our legislation? We have all the institutions (up to the inhabitants of prisons and hospitals) will use European products. And our peasant in connection with the policy of the government will be uncompetitive.

That is, on the one hand, we have great-power patriotic rhetoric “for internal use,” periodically gives a presentation in the genre of patriotic interludes on the road (for example, in Munich). And on the other - we see a real policy, which is often the opposite of declarations. Do not forget that Putin is surrounded by a dense liberal get-together. These are bankers, experts, their representatives in the government and others. Their efforts extinguish and nullify all nationally oriented initiatives. The Russian Federation was initially postulated by the West as a state that was supposed to consolidate the results of the defeat of the Russians in the world geopolitical arena. It is designed to keep the Russians in a half-dried state and under control. At least, this territory should not be developed in terms of processing industry, science and high technology. At the same time, our “elites” are “on the hook” all the time. In order to periodically twitch for him and remind him of who's boss. Putin, the West, apparently, regards as "waste material". Therefore, despite all the concessions and sagging before the West, he always pulls the fishing line (“Magnitsky list” from this series) so that the “hook” would dig more deeply into his lip.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 07: 15
    +35
    They entered the WTO when the majority of the people were against this adventure. They promised a reduction in prices, where and in which region did they decrease? How much was written on this topic, all of this was initially predictable. Now all these courts and their decisions will hit the treasury of Russia and not only the treasury.
    Another case of our government, they wanted the best, but again plunged into G .... Oh.
    1. Denis
      Denis 11 December 2012 07: 27
      +18
      Alexander Romanov,
      Most likely there was some kind of a deal between Russia and the West, because no one in the Russian government gave a clear explanation to the people why we need the WTO. All this is strange, Let Medvedev go and defend the interests of Russia in court., HE IS THE LAWYER !!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 07: 35
        +5
        Quote: Denis
        Most likely there was some kind of deal between Russia and the West,

        Maybe so, or maybe just lobbying for the interests of individuals in our country.
        Quote: Denis
        , Let Medvedev go and defend the interests of Russia in court., HE IS THE LAWYER !!

        Yes, we didn’t seem to get involved in the WTO under Medvedev.
        1. sv-sakh
          sv-sakh 11 December 2012 07: 46
          +9
          But what difference does it make at some Medveput ...
          You yourself then even distinguish them ?? laughing
          Talking heads ...
        2. Denis
          Denis 11 December 2012 07: 47
          +10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, we didn’t seem to get involved in the WTO under Medvedev.

          Medvedev has always emphasized that he is not a bad lawyer and, if I am not mistaken, was with both hands FOR THE WTO.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 07: 57
            +4
            Quote: Denis
            Medvedev has always emphasized that he is not a bad lawyer and, if I am not mistaken, was with both hands FOR THE WTO

            And Putin, what was against the WTO? In this case, it’s not possible to blame everything on Medvedev. So you didn’t answer when we got into the WTO, well, tell me the last name wink
            1. Denis
              Denis 11 December 2012 08: 28
              +4
              Alexander Romanov,
              That you are obsessed with surnames, Putin, Medvedev-have one policy. If you do not understand, I called Medvedev because he is a LAWYER !!!, The article says that in Russia there are not enough experienced lawyers, lawyers. Laughingly ???
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 08: 33
                +1
                Quote: Denis
                That you are obsessed with surnames, Putin, Medvedev-have one policy.

                Here it is, where the dog rummaged laughing So with whom we will ask, probably from economists who misled the first persons wink
                1. tambourine 2012
                  tambourine 2012 11 December 2012 09: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Here it is, where the dog rummaged laughing. So who will we ask, probably from economists who misled the first persons wink
                  yes, one face nicknamed ser dyukov was already hiding, too, everyone was deceiving
                  1. Nose
                    Nose 11 December 2012 12: 32
                    +6
                    The author of the article and the WTO and Russia do not care! Putin is interested in him! A typical zombie, bred according to the principle - everything is bad, but it will be even worse! .. Hence such flashy colorful comparisons about the Nazi party and the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks.
                    The fact that the WTO does not bring us anything good is clear to the horse. Why did they go there - the devil knows. But that doesn’t mean that now we’ll start bowing to every foreign country. And the garbage tax, sanitary standards and so on, things are completely legal.
              2. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 11 December 2012 22: 42
                +2
                We have at least lawyers chew, one Zhirik is worth something. Here honest politicians are really not enough.
            2. Andriuha077
              Andriuha077 11 December 2012 13: 33
              +8
              With all the current Yeltsin team.
            3. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 11 December 2012 22: 37
              +1
              “… Russia's accession to the WTO opens up new prospects for US companies on the Russian market.” This opinion was expressed by a veteran of American business Donald Kendall, who headed Pepsico for 15 years. “Russia's accession to the WTO provides serious advantages for entrepreneurs not only from the United States, but also from other countries that want to cooperate with Russia. This is a very good step, "- said Kendall."
              After that, it’s hard to believe that the State Department pays money for the overthrow of Putin!
      2. YARY
        YARY 11 December 2012 10: 06
        +2
        He is a geo-defender. He has such a specialization.
      3. DmitriRazumov
        DmitriRazumov 11 December 2012 17: 16
        +1
        Please inform in what court and for what reason Medvedev has won at least one case. He is the same lawyer with us as grandfather Lenin once was.
    2. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 11 December 2012 07: 45
      +20
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      wanted the best

      You are not mixed up ???
      If the Russian authorities wanted something, then it’s definitely not for the people ...
      If the Russian authorities wanted something for the people, then certainly not for the Russian.

      It’s time to remember this truth, not small laughing
      Gentlemen, liberals, one minus is not serious. Active
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 07: 59
        +4
        Quote: sv-sakh
        If the Russian authorities wanted something for the people, then certainly not for the Russian.

        Here, you see a representative of the "Russian" people after reading your post, immediately put you a minus laughing Now fix it.
        1. sv-sakh
          sv-sakh 11 December 2012 08: 03
          +4
          C'mon)) we are Russian, and not such bullying weathered from all blackness ... :) We will break through.
          Their cons to us, that applause is a recognition of the fact that on the right track good
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 11 December 2012 11: 16
            +5
            Quote: sv-sakh
            we are Russian, and not such bullying weathered from all blackness ... :) We will break through.

            Of course, but in one case. Changing the system, the sooner the better. The nationalization of energy, railway, air, sea transport, mining, ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy, petrochemicals and oil refining, forestry, that is, all strategic sectors. Moreover, nationalization without any ransom. Spit on the rules, then break through, otherwise it will be bad.
    3. YARY
      YARY 11 December 2012 08: 18
      +6
      Alexander with a compromise!
      The WTO is a spider funnel, in the Soviet Union it was known for certain and any economist on his fingers could figure it out.
      But Soviet economists, they are!
      1. YARY
        YARY 11 December 2012 08: 27
        +12
        In a tavern delegates of the economic forum.
        In the drink, an American economist squeezes lemon-dry into a glass.
        And he says
        "If someone squeezes out another drop, I admit that his country is the richest in the world!"
        Frenchman
        Italian non-uplifting
        Japanese zero
        Well, and so on in a circle, Here comes a plump little such inconspicuous peasant and ......
        Three buckets !!!
        American- "Oooh! Sir !!"
        Little man- "What am I to you nah .." sir "I'm an accountant from eSER!"
        1. YARY
          YARY 11 December 2012 08: 31
          +4
          Banks and other stores-their good guard and poke!
          And we laid out on the sidewalk!
          Rob-do not want to!
          I don’t know who, but I’ll go to the mountains for the "capture".
          1. Piligrim
            Piligrim 11 December 2012 19: 06
            +1
            You, Minister, are also in the dock economy !!!
            Well, you need to see and put a second ministerial portfolio on this site! love
            Ah, great Russia, so many geniuses and talents as ardent in it. But why the country is controlled all the time by dunce ??? And such frames on the forums flood! tongue
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 08: 35
        0
        Quote: Ardent
        WTO is a spider funnel, in the Soviet Union it was known for certain

        Hi Andrei, and that the WTO existed under the USSR belay It seems that after the collapse, this organization appeared.
        1. YARY
          YARY 11 December 2012 08: 49
          +3
          Alexander
          There was such a structure as the GATT mother of the WTO read and Kozma will be happy!
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 11 December 2012 10: 01
      +12
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      They entered the WTO when the majority of the people were against this adventure.

      Westerners, well, just like children! Have you not heard, perhaps, that "the severity of laws in Russia is limited to their failure to comply"? The fact that Russia got into the WTO does not mean at all that the WTO got into Russia! Rather, they "got" ... "European Union Trade Commissioner Karel de Gucht believes that Moscow must play by the rules by joining the World Trade Organization, and threatened to complain about Russia for many restrictive practices. "http://censor.net.ua/news/216907/es_obvinyaet_rossiyu_v_narushenii
      _norm_vto_my_ne_postesnyaemsya_nastoyat_na_soblyudenii_nashih_prav
      Yeah, they’ll write in the diary and parents will be called to school a delegation from the petition will be sent to GDP, and there they will be sent laughing
      “However, the Financial Times warns that this mechanism may not work in Russia. Such reforms in Russia are opposed by more influential economic interests than ever in China. Many also depend on the political position that President Vladimir Putin will take.
      http://www.rosbalt.ru/business/2012/12/10/1069234.html fool
      1. Jaromir
        Jaromir 11 December 2012 16: 39
        +5
        Quote: Kaa
        threatened to complain about Russia

        Complain about Russia is possible only to the Lord God !!
        Accepted Russia to the WTO - pray! And there you look, it’s hardened - it will fall in love! ..
    5. urzul
      urzul 11 December 2012 10: 33
      +6
      All participants are suing in the WTO, as there are plenty of loopholes in the charter, some lawsuits have been going on for 5 years.
      1. SSR
        SSR 11 December 2012 11: 46
        +6
        Quote: urzul
        lawsuits have been going on for 5 years.

        The main thing is that our defining team of lawyers .. do not send a "trojan"
        and then for many it became money and business first and then homeland ... with a small letter ...
        after all, we have basically ... the authorities ... the most unprincipled "guys" of the late 80s and early 90s .. those who tried to make money on everything .. hammering on the interests of the state and living only by their own personal interest.
        But IMHA among them are those for whom the defense of the state interest came to the fore, because "their" interest went beyond the personal ... and became intertwined with the state ..
        chaotically ... as I could)))
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 11 December 2012 14: 44
        +6
        Quote: urzul
        All participants are suing in the WTO,

        These "participants" did not go through the "raids", "shooters", "roofs" of the 90s, "scammers", "scams", "kickbacks" and much more ... that the Russian "participants" of the WTO went through. It's like leaving a student of the Institute for Noble Maidens in the company of drunken hussars ... laughing
        1. Leisure
          Leisure 11 December 2012 17: 05
          +2
          You are not right! The rest of the WTO participants went through this much earlier.
      3. Beck
        Beck 11 December 2012 15: 13
        -5
        What's that noise. Entered the WTO themselves. Nobody dragged by force. Now you have to follow the rules. After all, when they entered, they promised to comply with these rules. Now what?

        Anyway, the advantages in the WTO are much more than negative for the period of formation. Residents of Kazakhstan, too, somehow do not support the Russian auto industry. This refers to the limitation of the supply of used cars to the customs union and only so that AvtoVAZ does not collapse. But nothing is endured. We are building the Eurasian Union. The benefits in the Union are more than the benefits of used cars.

        Why are you now slamming into the void, or again the amer-bastards have dragged, deceived, robbed, harassed, teasing. It’s easier than ever to get out of the WTO again and stay on the sidelines of world development. So never Europe, nor the USA, nor Japan will catch up. Yes, we will lag behind Brazil, South Africa, and Thailand.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 11 December 2012 17: 18
          +5
          Quote: Beck
          What's that noise. Entered the WTO themselves. Nobody dragged by force. Now you have to follow the rules. After all, when they entered, they promised to comply with these rules. Now what?

          -Who entered?
          -Who yourself?
          -Who promised?
          I do not pretend to be the highest truth, but from personal observations, analysis of various press, forums, etc., 80 percent of the population were against joining.
          1. Piligrim
            Piligrim 11 December 2012 19: 12
            +1
            What does the population have to do with ???
            And where are you from these 80% of you ... are you?
            This issue was resolved without a referendum. And there was still not enough people to drag in here. Here, experts have no unequivocal opinion (well, except for our home-grown Yaroy), and then people still load this topic! how do you imagine it?
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 11 December 2012 19: 26
              +1
              Quote: Pilgrim
              What does the population have to do with ???
              And where are you from these 80% of you ... are you?

              Is Russian not your native language? Did I write anything about the referendum?
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 11 December 2012 20: 12
              +1
              Quote: Pilgrim
              and then people still load this topic!

              Democrat is visible from afar.
          2. Beck
            Beck 11 December 2012 20: 31
            -2
            Quote: Garrin
            -Who entered? -Who yourself? -Who promised?


            Russia has entered as a state. In the face of the decision of the leadership of Russia. Which was chosen in the election. One way or another, but selected. They did not want to be in the WTO, then it was necessary to vote for the Communists and Zhirinovsky. And then look after the train to the receding global economy.
        2. kush62
          kush62 11 December 2012 17: 24
          +3
          Beck, why are you writing about the old car junk? This is the estate of Mr. Romanov. Now they will attack you. WTO is not possible, but junk is possible.
        3. Ares1
          Ares1 11 December 2012 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          So never Europe, nor the USA, nor Japan will catch up
          Are you talking about Kazakhstan?
          1. Beck
            Beck 11 December 2012 20: 16
            +1
            Quote: Ares1
            Are you talking about Kazakhstan?


            Kazakhstan has never claimed world leadership. Russia claims. And it is easier to do this in the Eurasian Union. And easier in the WTO. The WTO now consists of 157 states. And that there are all idiots. Russian goods without WTO at any border were subject to customs duty. And any goods arriving in Russia are also taxed. It’s more expensive here and there. And how to be competitive. And everything is expensive on the shoulders of consumers.

            And you would say such a thing.
            1. 101
              101 11 December 2012 20: 45
              +3
              Quote: Beck
              Kazakhstan has never claimed world leadership

              And where are you from us To get on As we go forward we’ll hold your right flank
              1. Beck
                Beck 11 December 2012 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: 101
                And where are you from us?


                All the same, there is some kind of line dividing people into those who want to go to power and understand politics and those who just talk idle talk. Which are naturally empty words ready to destroy everything.

                If only such words were said five years ago by the leader of Russia, the leader of Kazakhstan. That there would be no Eurasian Union in the project.

                And here, at 101, one is imposing and snobbish. And he doesn’t understand 101 that Kazakhstan, at the words of the head of Russia - "Where are you from us?" Now I would be building another alliance with others.
                1. 101
                  101 11 December 2012 21: 15
                  +3
                  You probably think that under the auspices of China, Kazakhstan will be calmer
                  1. 101
                    101 11 December 2012 21: 26
                    +2
                    Look at the structure of the world. There are no questions to the psychic, they can drop by a brick and to those who have friends in authority. You can lean against NATA, but then the eternal second-rate partner Did you miss something?
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 12 December 2012 12: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: 101
                      You probably think that under the auspices of China, Kazakhstan will be calmer


                      Of course not. We have a common history with Russia for more than half a thousand years. 300 years in the Golden Horde, 175 years in the Russian Empire, 74 years in the USSR. Therefore, our leaders agreed on the creation of the EurAsEC on equal terms, and not as in the USSR. You are again condescending, throwing down - And where will they go. Of course it will be difficult, but if the leaders of Russia have the same attitude as you personally, then somehow we ourselves will live. Or you have to lean against China. Will Kazakhstan be worse? Sure. But Russia will not be better. So do not look down on and indulge your partner. And it is better to build, as provided, an equal Eurasian Union.
                      1. 101
                        101 12 December 2012 18: 22
                        +1
                        I didn’t want to offend. It was written in a friendly manner and not down. I just emphasized that we were tied tightly and really could not get anywhere
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 12 December 2012 18: 31
                        0
                        Quote: 101
                        I didn’t want to offend


                        Peace to the world, war pipiska. Where can we separate our mother. Me, what? Learn Chinese or what? So this is more than 5 thousand characters. Yes, a hundred years times a hundred.
            2. A. Yaga
              A. Yaga 11 December 2012 22: 51
              +2
              Russia claims.


              Russia does not pretend! RUSSIA IN ITS PLACE! But just mongrel, claiming the place of Russia a lot.
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 11 December 2012 19: 49
      +1
      In the next case, when our authorities did not give a damn about the people’s head!
    7. Nick
      Nick 11 December 2012 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Another case of our government, they wanted the best, but again plunged into G .... Oh.

      If this happens, then most likely gossip is sitting in their brains ... However, it is too early to draw conclusions, the author is in too much haste to pass off what he wants for reality ... The article is clearly biased. Let's look at the further development of the situation ... What did our adherents of the WTO prepare there as a "response to Chamberlain"? ...
      1. 755962
        755962 11 December 2012 21: 03
        +3

        The expert community believes that Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization will not bring significant benefits to the country. Over the next 8 years, the total damage to sectors of the domestic economy may amount to 4 trillion rubles. 2,2 million people are likely to lose jobs. Scientists, industrialists and officials argued for and against the WTO Accession: Who Compensates for Losses forum.

        http://www.solidarnost.org/thems/vazhno/vazhno_8709.html
    8. 755962
      755962 11 December 2012 21: 00
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      but again plunged into G .... Oh.

      [Center][/ Center
      According to trade unions, such a move threatens to collapse several sectors of Russian industry. In general, nothing good can be expected from this decision.
    9. Beck
      Beck 12 December 2012 18: 34
      -1
      Admins.

      You had some kind of update applied specifically to the site. Is it possible to hang again? To some who did not have time to be updated.
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 11 December 2012 07: 15
    +2
    Well, comrades! That's what they came to, well, and where are those people who advocated joining the WTO!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 07: 25
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      That's what they came to, well, and where are those people who advocated joining the WTO!

      Now they, as soon as there is nothing to appeal to minuses, will sit and be silent in a rag.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 08: 34
        +1
        No, they will not be silent, the period of sitting in the bushes has already passed - it's just too early and they have not torn their eyes! Here they wake up, drink a cup of coffee and rise in a counterattack ...
        And they will instruct cons and everything will be turned upside down - like we don’t understand anything in Putin’s cunning plan! It only seems that Russia decided to sue in full, it just seems ...
        1. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 12 December 2012 05: 14
          +1
          Sarych
          And they will instruct cons and everything will be turned upside down - like we don’t understand anything in Putin’s cunning plan! It only seems that Russia decided to sue in full, it just seems ...

          Nobody has canceled sanitary norms and cannot be canceled by any lawsuits. If the state considers any product as harmful to the health of citizens and prohibits its import, EVERYTHING. An example of China.
          And you, Sarych, are so worried: are you not too reverently afraid of the West? Some kind of strange mixture of love and fear?
          "Ah, the gorgeous Hillary Clinton threatened her with her finger! Oh horror !!!"
          Let him now be treated for his intestinal disorder, there was no need to eat pork with ractopamine.
      2. Piligrim
        Piligrim 11 December 2012 19: 13
        +1
        And what are you not happy with the marshal? Specifically, pliiiz!
    2. alexng
      alexng 11 December 2012 09: 27
      0
      So! In De # pmo, we have already entered! Would Cuba still enter? Or to step?
    3. urzul
      urzul 11 December 2012 10: 39
      +5
      WELL YOU, as children, by God, even if you would study the history of the GATT, the WTO, who are the members, what conflicts were. There are plenty of lawsuits against each other in the WTO, they are considered for a very long time, and very often they are not executed, especially in cases such as a ban due to violation of sanitary and epidemiological standards within the country, the WTO is not entitled to change them. And they, despite the exclamations of hamsters, are in many ways tougher than in the same EU.
    4. merkel1961
      merkel1961 11 December 2012 10: 58
      0
      Those people who dragged the country into the WTO in their places, cover up from retaliation the persons under whose leadership the multi-billion dollar theft was carried out, so that more damage in dollars to the entire country would not be imputed to him.
  3. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 11 December 2012 07: 16
    +2
    The one-fuck question got into this WTO?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 07: 26
      +6
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      The one-fuck question got into this WTO?

      With this question, please, Putin hi
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 08: 35
        +1
        Judging by the fact that the pros are not put, some clearly woke up and reached for the cons ...
    2. Piligrim
      Piligrim 11 December 2012 19: 19
      -4
      most likely because the whole civilized, well, or almost civilized world is already there. You can’t always stomp on the rake of our tormented country! And look again for some sort of twisted, but then! clean your way! And again, nowhere and under the slogans of a handful of regulars, security officers, communists and other crap, who had broken through to power.
      Tired of reinventing the wheel. It's time to go. and ride on modern "transport" catching up and overtaking highly developed countries.
  4. Garrin
    Garrin 11 December 2012 07: 20
    +7
    Because if our management accepts these requirements, then our producers (and not only in agriculture) will go broke instantly. What does it mean to remove from our legislation the requirement of priority participation of domestic producers in the public procurement system? At our place, all institutions (up to prisoners and hospitals) will use European products. And our peasant will be uncompetitive in connection with government policy.

    In my opinion, it was obvious to everyone except our leadership before entry. And these rushed there, as naked for sexual intercourse.
  5. taseka
    taseka 11 December 2012 07: 31
    +7
    WTO - only oil and gas companies make profits, oligarchs clap their hands and giggle gaily, and to the rest - how it is - they’re like kaka people from a high tower !!!
  6. Sergg
    Sergg 11 December 2012 07: 57
    +4
    Accession to the WTO - this is masochism for our political elite. On the one hand, the EU and our manufacturers similar to them will hit, and then we are citizens, we want to live in Russia and not watch us ruin.
    It is better if we are expelled from the WTO, to remain in it and sacrifice our producers, which means we are a big blow to the image of power. Now is not 1991 to play with the people in the American Games will not work.
    1. Pit
      Pit 11 December 2012 08: 17
      +6
      Holy naivety. Who will expel us from there now. Get drunk on the very tomatoes. Now they will do everything so that our industry would sink into the summer in a place with agriculture and we wouldn’t do anything except extracting mineral resources and selling them to them for dorm.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 08: 37
      -2
      There the entrance is the ruble, the exit is the hundred, not to get out of this ass already ...
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 11 December 2012 15: 16
        +3
        In one of the comments, in the summer yet, about the WTO
        I, well, one to one, said Bratz Sarych in words - the input is the ruble, the output is the chervonets.
        You can exit ... and even need to ... then re-enter.
        Do not understand, you guys ... The government is with us, the State Duma .. what, you think, they work for the people, or what?
        They work for ... PROCESS. ... who WENT..already at the Marked One.
        And the result of the PROCESS ... nobody cares, and even more so "the problem of the negro sheriff does not f ....", well, you know.
        ..
        Then I said ... before we disentangle all lawsuits, counter-lawsuits, court cases ... with the rest of casuistry, we won’t get out of the WTO.
        And here, HAPPY, in Russia there are no trained lawyers .... ML I ....
        ..
        The bollards are there ... no lawyers. In Russia, winter always comes - UNEXPECTED.
        And then ... WTO ...
        And, I see right .... someone sickly grandmother ogreb ... for projects, for the documentation for joining the WTO.
    3. Garrin
      Garrin 11 December 2012 17: 22
      +2
      Quote: Sergg
      On the one hand, the EU and our manufacturers similar to them will hit, and then we are citizens, we want to live in Russia and not watch us ruin.

      Do you think this elite is experiencing even the slightest discomfort? Yes, they’ll fuck them all, everything on our skins will come out.
  7. nokki
    nokki 11 December 2012 07: 58
    +11
    "There is no need to blame the mirror if the face is crooked!"

    Read whom he still loves to cover the WTO!

    Greenpeace unveiled a black list of manufacturers of GM (Genetically Modified) products (note how many products for children):

    1 snickers
    2 Campbell Soups
    3 Rice Uncle Bens Mars
    4 Lipton Tea
    5 Mars M&M
    6 twix
    7 Milky Way
    8 Cadbury (Cadbury) chocolate, cocoa
    9 ferrero
    10 Nestle chocolate "Nestlé", "Russia"
    11 Nestle Nesquik Chocolate Drink
    12 Non-alcoholic drink Sosa-Sola "Coca-Cola" Sosa-Sola
    13 "Sprite", "Fanta", "Kinley" tonic, "Fruittime"
    14 Pepci-Co Pepsi
    15 "7-Up", "Fiesta", "Mountain Dew"
    16 Kellogg's Breakfast Cereals
    17 Knorr Sauces
    18 Parmalat Cookies
    19 Condiments, mayonnaise, sauces Hellman's
    20 Seasonings, mayonnaises, sauces by Heinz
    21 Baby food by Nestle
    22 hipp
    23 Abbot Labs Similac
    24 Yogurts, kefir, cheese, baby food Denon
    25 McDonald's (McDonald's) fast food "restaurant" chain
    26 chocolate, chips, coffee, baby food Kraft (Kraft)
    27 ketchups, sauces. Heinz Foods (Heienz Foods)
    28 baby food, products "Delmi" Unilever (Unilever)
    1. WW3
      WW3 11 December 2012 08: 20
      +1
      Is it all Lipton tea or just GMO bags?
    2. Rashid
      Rashid 11 December 2012 09: 49
      +1
      Just what is most advertised.
    3. urzul
      urzul 11 December 2012 10: 42
      +6
      And what is someone eating ?! belay
      You can’t even call it food without GMO
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 December 2012 14: 48
        +2
        Quote: urzul
        And what is someone eating?

        I don’t. But people buy, and to children. Chocolates, yoghurts. We are advanced, we know something. And most people don’t. It seems inexpensive and kind of tasty. GMO + Chemistry, of course, delicious.
        1. Jaromir
          Jaromir 11 December 2012 16: 44
          +2
          I went through the list and exhaled! Past! I didn’t take anything like that in my mouth !!! drinks
        2. WW3
          WW3 11 December 2012 19: 21
          +6
          Quote: baltika-18
          I do not. But people buy, and to children

          That's right, if it weren't for buying it and bringing it, and unfortunately, there are a lot of McDonald's in Russia and these establishments are not empty ... hundreds of them ...

          there is a lot of information and photos http://www.citytowers.ru/viewtopic.php?id=667
    4. WW3
      WW3 11 December 2012 11: 10
      +4
      By the way, amers the fattest nation prefers to eat at McDonald's ... and here we see positions 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 25, etc. just with GMOs - they eat there ...
  8. bddrus
    bddrus 11 December 2012 07: 58
    +11
    China at the WTO - and in my opinion lays down on their rules, so we need to do
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 08: 02
      +10
      Quote: bddrus
      China at the WTO - and in my opinion lays down on their rules, so we need to do

      China lays down because it lends to the United States and others, and factories have been withdrawn to China. Do you even compare the dependence of economies.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 08: 38
        +8
        Yes, to behave like China, you need to have an economy like that of China, and patriots in leadership ...
        1. Ilyich
          Ilyich 11 December 2012 11: 11
          +7
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          Yes, to behave like China, you need to have an economy like that of China, and patriots in leadership ...

          But do not you think that the lawsuits are being prepared precisely because Russia behaves like China? winked
        2. Piligrim
          Piligrim 11 December 2012 19: 22
          0
          And what kind of population do you need? How is it in China? Or ours will come down?
      2. Beck
        Beck 11 December 2012 15: 21
        0
        Factories are brought to China, the Philippines, Bangladesh as the West, Japan, South Korea become R&D centers and design bureaus of the world. They develop science, develop new technologies, construct new industries. Well, and the production itself, except for highly scientific and defense, has been transferred to other countries. Where easier and cheaper. The law of being, that is, the law of economics.
        1. Beck
          Beck 11 December 2012 20: 41
          -1
          Quote: Beck
          Where easier and cheaper. The law of being, that is, the law of economics.


          I will add. One Google hosted in Silicon Valley pays billions in taxes to the US Treasury. And this is much more than 100 factories in China producing toys and sewing T-shirts combined.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 11 December 2012 21: 29
            +3
            Quote: Beck
            One Google hosted in Silicon Valley pays billions in taxes to the US Treasury.

            You will not recall which companies on the carpet recently pulled into the congress like numbed kittens? Let me remind you of the registration of these IT companies in offshore companies.
            wink
            1. Beck
              Beck 12 December 2012 13: 03
              0
              Quote: Cynic
              You will not recall which companies on the carpet recently pulled into the congress like numbed kittens? Let me remind you of the registration of these IT companies in offshore companies.


              Well, they did something there. So almost everyone wants to run away from taxes. But Themis USA is their ears and again in their place. In Russia and Kazakhstan, Themis would work like that. About our money in offshore lead neither to hearing nor to spirit.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 12 December 2012 15: 06
                +2
                Quote: Beck
                But Themis USA is their ears and again in their place.

                So not in the know.
                The thing is that registration in offshore, now that they have what is legal with us! Here the conversation is purely about the moral side of things!
                After all, offshore zones were invented from the best considerations. production development . It is productions! Like exchanges by the way.
                Now these development tools have turned into tools for profit from the air. After all, such a concept as exchange speculation is familiar ?! It is familiar!
                But this is soooooooooooo !!!
                In essence, this is a systemic crisis, as they have long been said! It is necessary to change laws and change not in a single country.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 12 December 2012 18: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: Cynic
                  So not in the know


                  And he never claimed to be an expert. I have nothing to oppose anything about offshore.

                  Quote: Cynic
                  In essence, this is a systemic crisis, as they have long been said! It is necessary to change laws and change not in a single country


                  It must be necessary. Will change. One way or another change. But this does not mean that the whole system will collapse. Then the whole world should collapse. Everything is now on this capitalist development platform. Most likely there will be some negatives. But not such that the West went bankrupt completely. The world cannot return to feudalism or slavery. It remains only to look for ways ahead.
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 12 December 2012 18: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Beck
                    But this does not mean that the whole system will collapse.

                    Generally not in the know!
                    It is they who say that until it collapses, it will not be redone!
                    All debates when they turn off the devices (machine !!!) artificially supporting this pseudo economy.
                    Quote: Beck
                    The world cannot return to feudalism or slavery.

                    And that far gone? In some places this is commonplace.
                    Quote: Beck
                    It remains only to look for ways ahead.

                    Ha
                    Some advise to take the work of Muslim banks as a basis.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 12 December 2012 19: 12
                      -1
                      Zinnik.

                      What I wrote above. Even if humanity collapses, it will not roll back to the Stone Age. Here we had the crisis of 2008-2010, well, they began to live like in 2000, but not like in 1917. I meant it.

                      I’m silent about religion. This is a brake if not the economy, then today's worldview is a must.
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 12 December 2012 19: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Even if humanity collapses, it will not roll back to the Stone Age.

                        Ha stone?
                        Well, there will be a level of the Wild West!
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2012 11: 03
      +3
      Quote: bddrus
      China at the WTO - and in my opinion lays down on their rules, so we need to do

      China does not fit into the WTO, this system is beneficial for it, it gets access to all markets, to all countries. China's economy was created by the world elite, a grand junk factory. I don’t want to repeat, yesterday there was an article on a site about China, Ascetic and I spoke about China's economy, read the comments if interested.
  9. Bykov.
    Bykov. 11 December 2012 08: 18
    +3
    Yes, bullshit, all these lawsuits, to file them, does not mean to win the case in court.
    Moreover, we have that they will have no doubt to present and present.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 08: 37
      +1
      Quote: Bulls.
      Yes, bullshit, all these lawsuits, to file them, does not mean to win the case in court.

      Are you sure that we will win these claims?
      Quote: Bulls.
      Moreover, we have that they will be presented and presented

      What exactly, are there details or are these just assumptions?
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 11 December 2012 08: 57
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Are you sure that we will win these claims?

        The article deals with pork contaminated with "blue tongue", the Russian side, contrary to the agreements, was not notified about it, so everything is according to the WTO rules. By the way, alongside us, many EU countries refused to buy this meat. With live cattle, the same story, some kind of illness, I don't remember exactly, but I can find a link.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What exactly, are there details or are these just assumptions?

        Yes, and Medvedkov from the Ministry of Economic Development., Says that there is no claim against Russia yet.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 08: 40
      -3
      A typical Russian approach - the law does not spell correctly! Claims in court - this is not garbage, it is more than serious! File a counterclaim? You can, only who will serve? Those who drove the country into the WTO?
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 December 2012 04: 34
        0
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        A typical Russian approach - the law does not spell correctly!

        The point is that Russia's refusal to import meat is justified and does not violate our agreements. Well, we didn't subscribe, eat the infection and that's it. And all these threats are still only "oral complaints".
    3. Ljubomir
      Ljubomir 11 December 2012 14: 52
      -1
      Bykov.,
      Yes, bullshit, all these lawsuits, to file them, does not mean to win the case in court.
      Who are the judges? We won’t win anything .....
      1. urzul
        urzul 11 December 2012 15: 05
        +2
        The main element of the WTO dispute resolution mechanism is the so-called arbitration (special) expert groups - panels.

        The mechanism of the "second instance", in which you can appeal the decision, is the Appellation Body.

        The recommendations made by the panel must be approved (approved, accepted) by the Dispute Resolution Body. If the recommendations are not implemented by the violating state, the “affected state” receives the right to “include” retaliatory sanctions - after permission by the ODP.

        Consequently, the entire dispute resolution mechanism objectively acts as a means of civilized coordination of conflicting interests and the orderly application of response measures.

        Of the total flow of disputes on international trade, about one third pass through consideration by arbitration groups. The remaining disputes are resolved in consultation in the first phase of the procedures. Part of the disputes can be resolved by the parties to the dispute bilaterally already during the proceedings launched by the ODP.

        The participation of a WTO member state in each such dispute as a plaintiff or defendant entails significant material costs (several million dollars per case). Basically, these costs consist of the remuneration of employees of the state apparatus, experts, technical personnel servicing the matter in the respective state, the cost of transportation and travel expenses, the cost of collecting information, etc.

        The remuneration of members of the arbitration groups and the Court of Appeal is paid from the budget of the WTO.

        WTO member states cannot directly and openly influence decisions made in arbitration groups and in the Appellate Body, because they include persons who are not official representatives of states. These persons are guided only by WTO law.

        Interaction of WTO member states, their officials with WTO structures, the Dispute Resolution Body is carried out in accordance with international law. In the internal law of WTO member states, issues of interaction with the LFS in trade disputes or with a counterparty state in a dispute can, if necessary, be regulated by acts of an administrative-legal nature (for example, departmental instructions or other by-laws).
        1. Ljubomir
          Ljubomir 11 December 2012 16: 31
          +1
          ,
          WTO member states cannot directly and openly influence decisions made in arbitration groups and in the Appeals Body,

          And who is talking about openness? To smile in the face, kick under the table ....
      2. nerd.su
        nerd.su 11 December 2012 21: 34
        +2
        Quote: Lubomyr
        Who are the judges? We won’t win anything .....


        So, on my part, as a lawyer, I suggest sending the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces. In uniform, with regalia and, most importantly, with a suitcase! He has a question, but he - wait, I’ll find help now! And in a suitcase, and there buttons, toggle switches, and of paper. And here he is rummaging through the papers, accidentally pressing red buttons, cursing ... The judges are not iron nerves, the courts will quickly stop taking claims! :)

        Well, but seriously ... the people are right: the law that drew where it turned turned out there! The main thing is that our drawbar is in strong hands!
      3. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 December 2012 04: 39
        0
        Quote: Lubomyr
        Who are the judges? We won’t win anything .....

        It used to be, when we were not members of the WTO, they could judge us "like their left foot, they will show them," but now we are full-fledged participants in the process and everything depends on us.
  10. Apollo
    Apollo 11 December 2012 08: 41
    +9
    Reading an article and hair early in the morning stand on end.
    An 1 quote-authorized by the European Union reminded the Russian leadership that all members of a trading club are required to play according to rules that imply, in particular, the rejection of the use of "protectionist measures." The fact is that at the end of November Russia banned the supply of pig products from Latvia due to adverse sanitary epidemiological situation in our Baltic neighbors, where a flash of classic swine plague has recently erupted.
    this fact alone provides an undeniable advantage over partners in the WTO. In terms of litigation.
    2. Quote-Analysts from the very beginning warned that the Russian Federation did not have enough lawyers well trained to defend Russia's position and conduct trade disputes in the WTO courts.
    while lawyers will be prepared .............. in my opinion it is necessary to attract foreign lawyers. by the way this is a big puncture of the authorities.
    3 quotation. - Another “senior comrade” in the WTO is dissatisfied with the “discrimination” of Italian beef, which Rosselkhoznadzor has wrapped up due to improper documentation.
    If there was an excess of beef in Russia, then surely the Italians would not have climbed with their products. The argument is the simplest, our guys have an excess in livestock production so you are not at the right place.
    I'm generally amazed that Russia may well feed half the world itself. Because agrarian traditions have been laid down since ancient times. If everything is imported from abroad, it is asked why then you need the Ministry of Agriculture.
    3. It seems that it’s very profitable at the top that everything is imported. Once there is no interest in the development of its economy. am IMHO.
    1. urzul
      urzul 11 December 2012 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      3. It seems that it’s very profitable at the top that everything is imported. Once there is no interest in the development of its economy. IMHO.

      What does it add up to? Annual production is growing, the number of new equipment is the same (Russia occupies 10 of the global agricultural machinery market).
      Onishchenko constantly threatens one supplier, then another. The credit system through the state Russian Agricultural Bank (created in 2000 and at the moment it is 3 bank in the country), in addition, there were subsidies for reimbursing the cost of production.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2012 11: 06
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      I'm generally amazed that Russia may well feed half the world itself. Because agrarian traditions have been laid down since ancient times. If everything is imported from abroad, it is asked why then you need the Ministry of Agriculture.

      Good question. The answer is on the surface. To finish off agriculture, I think.
      1. urzul
        urzul 11 December 2012 11: 12
        +2
        In order to ADD, it was necessary to do nothing after the 98 year, if she had existed for a maximum of 5 years, still tormented in agony
        1. dimanf
          dimanf 11 December 2012 11: 39
          0
          Quote: urzul
          In order to ADD, it was necessary to do nothing after the 98 year, if she had existed for a maximum of 5 years, still tormented in agony


          and how do you know?
          our poultry farms have increased the import of all chemicals to accelerate growth hundreds of times! We often meet at customs.
          Agriculture seeks to increase food through hundreds of different pesticides of chemical and biological origin. Vegetables, fruits, cereals, etc., like a sponge, absorb poisons from the environment. Many of these substances are found in foods and can cause cancer.
          To find today products without preservatives, dyes, all kinds of E-additives is almost impossible. Over the past 30 years, the consumption of artificial dyes has increased 10 times. Information about mass poisoning in schools and kindergartens (even because of “useful” sour-milk products) regularly appears in the media - and no one is safe from this.
          But what about the state standard specifications of the Soviets?
          They were allowed to legally do all kinds of rubbish according to TU.

          And all this during the reign of the person from your profile picture.
          Or, again, has nothing to do with it?
          1. urzul
            urzul 11 December 2012 13: 31
            +5
            Quote: dimanf
            Agriculture seeks to increase food through hundreds of different pesticides of chemical and biological origin.

            You study the agriculture of the USSR, there, too, the crop was not watered with water.
            our poultry farms have increased the import of all chemicals to accelerate growth hundreds of times! We often meet at customs.
            How many do you think a chicken lives from hatching to slaughter? What breeds of chickens are now popular with poultry farms, who produces feed for them? Is chlorine used for carcasses?
            And then learn the same thing about the EU, really like the comparison.

            To find today products without preservatives, dyes, all kinds of E-additives is almost impossible.
            Well, I’ve noticed more than once after you that you like copying things that you don’t understand at all
            For example:
            Baking soda - E-500
            Oxygen - E-948
            Medical alcohol - E-1510
            What to prohibit all? Look at least that of the entire list is prohibited in Russia and the EU
            (even because of the “useful” dairy products)
            Aged with expired and improper storage.
            But what about the state standard specifications of the Soviets?
            They were allowed to legally do all kinds of rubbish according to TU.
            List all GOSTs for sausage in the USSR, and you will understand why. Factories would have died long since everyone would have to stamp the same thing, but import would be a big expanse.
            1. dimanf
              dimanf 11 December 2012 18: 28
              +2
              Quote: urzul
              You study the agriculture of the USSR, there, too, the crop was not watered with water.

              Now their number has increased many times.
              Quote: urzul
              And then learn the same thing about the EU, really like the comparison.

              let's not juggle! if we are talking about Russia, let's not mix in other countries.
              Quote: urzul
              Well, I’ve noticed more than once after you that you like copying things that you don’t understand at all

              you cleverly pull out the facts! just like your idol is Putin.
              Or maybe we'll see other examples about E.
              E102 - Tartrazine - dye. On the territory of our country is permitted, but prohibited in the territory of the European Union.
              E250 - sodium nitrite - dye, seasoning and preservative, used for dry preservation of meat and stabilization of its red color. E250 is approved for use in Russia, but is prohibited in the EU.

              Effects on the body:
              - increased excitability of the nervous system in children;
              - oxygen starvation of the body (hypoxia);
              - decrease in the content of vitamins in the body;
              - food poisoning with a possible fatal outcome;
              - oncological diseases.
              Enough to juggle, do not try!
              Putin fans will not be anymore. the majority on this forum are SELF-SUFFICIENT HEALTHY PEOPLE with life experience
              . And they have not believed in fairy tales that the authorities are telling us for a long time.
              Quote: urzul
              List all GOSTs for sausage in the USSR, and you will understand why. Factories would have died long since everyone would have to stamp the same thing, but import would be a big expanse.

              Soy sausage with meat flavor - it's much better!
              1. urzul
                urzul 12 December 2012 09: 30
                0
                Quote: dimanf
                you cleverly pull out the facts! just like your idol is Putin. And maybe we will see other examples about E. E102 - tartrazine - dye. On the territory of our country it is allowed, but prohibited in the territory of the European Union. E250 - sodium nitrite - a dye, seasoning and preservative used for dry preservation of meat and stabilization of its red color. E250 is approved for use in Russia, but is prohibited in the EU.

                I look you like when you are led by the facts
                Sodium nitrite complies with GOST 4197-74 “I hope you understand what this means?”
                Tartrazine has recently been banned for use in many European countries, but under the pressure of the European Union, the ban on the use of E-102 dye and several other food additives has been lifted by the directive EU 94 / 36 / EC
                Those dangers that you listed arise when using a LARGE amount of the substance, the same sodium chloride causes death if the dose is exceeded.
                According to the World Health Organization, the systematic intake of excess salt compared to the physiological norm leads to high blood pressure and, as a result, to diverse heart and kidney diseases, stomach cancer and osteoporosis. Along with other sodium salts, sodium chloride can cause diseases of the eyes and edema of the eyelids - As you know, salt retains water in the body, a large volume of which “stores” adipose tissue. May cause increased intraocular pressure and cataract development.

                The physiological norm for one person is considered 5 grams salt per day.
                Ordinary salt in large quantities is poison - the lethal dose is 100 times the daily intake and amounts to 3 grams per 1 kilogram of body weight, that is, for a person weighing 80 kg, the dose in 240 grams is fatal
                - SELF-SUFFICIENT HEALTHY PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE [
                Offended or not, but I can’t attribute you to this number.
                Soy sausage with meat flavor - it's much better!
                Do you still believe that the sausage for 100 rubles at the price of pork (150-250) will be made from meat? lol
                1. dimanf
                  dimanf 12 December 2012 11: 41
                  0
                  Quote: urzul
                  I look you like when you are led by the facts

                  only the facts you have are one-sided. publish the complete supplement table E.
                  and read together how much rubbish there is permitted with us and forbidden in other countries. for objectivity.
                  otherwise, you pull out positions that are advantageous to you and actively build a dialogue around them.
                  Quote: urzul
                  Offended or not, but I can’t attribute you to this number.

                  Offended is the destiny of wimps.
                  But something most on this forum doesn't support your Putin ad. And he does not believe his tales from the TV.
                  And he evaluates his business according to the price tags at the gas station, in the store or on the receipt of payment for the apartment.
                  Quote: urzul
                  Soy sausage with meat flavor - it's much better! Do you still believe that sausage for 100 rubles at the price of pork (150-250) will be made from meat?

                  Where did you so skillfully learn to manipulate phrases?
                  I meant that for us, and for 500 rubles, sausage is not made from meat!
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 12 December 2012 15: 21
                    0
                    Quote: dimanf
                    I meant that for us, and for 500 rubles, sausage is not made from meat!

                    This is where I fully agree with you, specifically one person is to blame!
                    Sorry dimanfbut you yourself understand that you are declaring: One person is to blame for all of Russia's current troubles!
                    It turns out changing one person can change the life of the state?
                    Old Truth: Every nation deserves its ruler.
                    1. dimanf
                      dimanf 12 December 2012 22: 21
                      0
                      Quote: Cynic
                      In all of Russia's current troubles, one person is to blame!
                      It turns out changing one person can change the life of the state?
                      Old Truth: Every nation deserves its ruler.


                      THE FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD !
                      the closest example is Belarus! adequate leader is a normal country!
                      stop telling a fairy tale that everyone except Putin is to blame!
                      and he’s at least responsible for something!
                      Is it not indicative that after the shameful presidential elections, laws on rallies and slander were urgently adopted! and the law on corruption for more than 10 years can’t bring to mind!
                      Quote: Cynic
                      Old Truth: Every nation deserves its ruler.

                      many people understand this and want change. that's why they adopted the above laws in a hurry to crush popular anger in the bud.
                      1. urzul
                        urzul 13 December 2012 09: 30
                        -1
                        The closest example is Belarus! adequate leader is a normal country!
                        Normal about what?
                      2. dimanf
                        dimanf 13 December 2012 21: 34
                        0
                        Quote: urzul
                        Normal about what?

                        go. look and chat with people.
                      3. urzul
                        urzul 17 December 2012 10: 17
                        0
                        So are you from Belarus? Then a lot is clear.
                        And you are not tired of sculpting any of my comments yet?
                      4. Cynic
                        Cynic 13 December 2012 12: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: dimanf
                        THE FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD !

                        Well yes, of course!
                        The king / shah / president / ... (in general, substitute what is needed) is to blame, and people understand this and want change .
                        Sorry, but you are familiar with the phrase from the drama of Hans Jost: When I hear the word "culture", I release the fuse of my revolver. "
                        So, when I hear the words people / people, people / people, this, too, embraces me the desire to pick up something heavier and with all my heart and with all its breadth to those reading the aspirations of the people to embed!
                        Where were you gentlemen good in the late 80s / early 90s!? And in the 90s and early 2000s? Clever, in hindsight.
                        After all, the expression: Every nation deserves its ruler essentially reflects the life of any state! What is the country at the moment in question and such a leader! They’ll devour anyone else right away!
                  2. urzul
                    urzul 13 December 2012 09: 28
                    0
                    Quote: dimanf
                    you have only some facts one-sided. publish the full table of supplements E. and read together how much rubbish there is allowed with us and forbidden in other countries. for objectivity. and then pull out the positions favorable to you and actively build a dialogue around them.

                    Strangely responding to YOUR FACTS, they become one-sided.
                    Here are just two additives that we have allowed, but not in the EU:
                    E142 - Synthetic Food Coloring Green S
                    E425 - Konjac, Konjac flour, Konjac gum and Konjac glucomannan.
                    AND ALL !!! But the back list is quite extensive.
                    But something most on this forum doesn't support your Putin ad. And he does not believe his tales from the TV.
                    And he evaluates his business according to the price tags at the gas station, in the store or on the receipt of payment for the apartment.
                    That they do not support me for a long time is not news, I am not writing here for agitation. By the way, to your credit, I will note that you do not shout that there are only "uryakalki" here. And I also evaluate things, but everyone sees different facts for themselves, I remember my childhood in the 90s very well, I remember how my parents stood in line at night for groceries (getting a salary after half a year is already good) and this despite the parents worked at a strategic enterprise. Now I have the opportunity to work and earn money, to bring up children.
                    A simple fact. Now they are already running to the Labor Inspectorate to delay salaries for 3-5 days.

                    Where did you so skillfully learn to manipulate phrases?
                    Work obliges
    3. nerd.su
      nerd.su 11 December 2012 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      3. It seems that it’s very profitable at the top that everything is imported. Once there is no interest in the development of its economy.


      Yes, fig knows ... I checked all my products, all ours except tea and wine. Well, our tea hardly grows, and the wine is from France. Ndaa, my flaw with the wine :) And yes, there was also some cognac from somewhere, like Kaliningrad, but French cognac spirits ... Well, that's the name of Trophy laughing
      In general, everything is ours, except for some of the alcohol! So even without the interest of the authorities, agriculture works.
  11. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 December 2012 09: 27
    +3
    Before joining the WTO, they explained to the people that some sectors of the economy would suffer losses and some would benefit. I think industry and agriculture will be bent and Swiss banks will remain profitable. And nothing bad will happen to oil
    1. dimanf
      dimanf 11 December 2012 18: 42
      +2
      But do medveputes think about people?
  12. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 11 December 2012 09: 30
    +3
    Remind me at least one case when the government thought about the people or at least lowered prices for something? Gasoline is more expensive than in the USA (I can not stand this country). And when you consider that they buy oil, and plus salaries at gas stations, higher, higher salaries from drivers of fuel trucks and salaries from personnel at oil refineries. But gasoline is cheaper. How to explain all this !? And about the stools they say that they say the guy is honest, but trusting? The feeling that he came to work and did not communicate with anyone. He sat down in his office, closed his office and made stools. Because it was enough to read the press and it was already visible from it that a person was doing something completely different from what the country needed.
  13. sxn278619
    sxn278619 11 December 2012 09: 46
    +1
    I listened to Hazin's comments on the RSN radio about this.
    1 - the court lasts at least 3 years
    2- in 3 years, everyone will forget about the WTO, it won’t be there before.
  14. Begemot
    Begemot 11 December 2012 10: 06
    +1
    When they fought with sticks and stones, food, caves, women, slaves, etc. were the prey. Now that there is nuclear weapons, it’s more expensive to fight openly, therefore enslavement is carried out with the help of money. The WTO is a tool of enslavement; it allows unhindered use of the money of Russians due to unlimited access to the market, easily destroying competitors in Russia, and unhindered use of its natural resources. World capital does not need producers in Russia; it needs consumers. Russia has not suffered a more serious defeat since the invasions of Genghis Khan.
  15. Egoza
    Egoza 11 December 2012 10: 31
    +5
    It is clear that accession to the WTO was done only for the sake of the oligarchs. If you thought about the people, you would first see what kind of shit Ukraine is in by joining this organization !!!! And they ran with their pants up, just to join Russia! And now we have to ask to change the conditions of existence there, which were provided by our "dear Yushchenko"! They can justify themselves by the fact that they wanted to increase the sales market, and hence more taxes will go to the treasury. Only I doubt that the Russian oligarchs will hand over all taxes to the treasury (like the Ukrainian ones). So the people, as always, will get shish without butter. But is it cheaper to make goods domestically? They will strangle themselves! And no one will understand that they will not be taken into the coffin with them and that this wealth will still come out sideways for their grandchildren!
  16. Blat
    Blat 11 December 2012 10: 41
    -3
    I won’t criticize anyone or anything like that. I have a question. Why can small countries follow the WTO rules, not to mention the giants of the world economy, and Russia violates these rules because it cannot comply with them? I just conclude that not everything in the Russian state is in chocoalade if things are like this and all this rhetoric from the high stands is nothing more than propaganda with certain goals
    1. Ilyich
      Ilyich 11 December 2012 11: 32
      +1
      Quote: blat
      I just conclude that not everything in the Russian state is in a chocoladoade if things are like this and all this rhetoric from the high stands is nothing more than propaganda with certain goals

      Not all, of course. But far from everything in the city, as the author tells. Let me remind you that Any propaganda is done for specific purposes. AND Any the country is engaged in propaganda for its population. This is normal and correct.
      And you said it as if Russia alone is engaged in propaganda for citizens and does nothing, but in any other country the authorities are engaged exclusively in affairs and the people speak only the truth and nothing but the truth.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 11 December 2012 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: blat
      .and why can small countries follow the WTO rules, not to mention the giants of the world economy, and Russia violates these rules because it cannot comply with them?

      Yes, they just have nothing to lose. They will always get their chances for poverty. In one form or another.
  17. Ilyich
    Ilyich 11 December 2012 11: 26
    +6
    Pay attention to how the material is presented. The title already contains "judicial fruits" (that is, "berries"), and as the article progresses, it turns out that the "flowers" have not bloomed at all, but only "are going to sue."

    Then the author just dumped everything in one heap. Here you have agricultural, and furious hallari, and agriculture, and the oil industry, and Munich, and much more that has been pulled from completely different "operas" and is thoroughly mixed. And now in this vinaigrette, with all the desire, you cannot figure it out, since completely diverse events are woven.

    This article is just another attempt to tell that everything in Russia is all bad, and that it’s not bad, it’s completely bad. Do not get fooled.
    Article - minus
    1. Ymidge
      Ymidge 11 December 2012 17: 35
      +2
      Quote: Ilyich
      This article is just another attempt to tell that in Russia all-all-all is bad

      So now with hearty sauce you can drive anything! The indignant mind boils, just throw logs! yes
  18. Averias
    Averias 11 December 2012 11: 49
    +4
    Others, I am not a supporter of the WTO and have never been one. But if you carefully look at the statistics, then in the WTO, someone is constantly suing someone and filing lawsuits. But real decisions are scanty (the embargo does not count). So why panic, and who said that these decisions need to be implemented! We file a counterclaim and again all over again. But about Japan separately, it’s understandable why, they all do not lose the island’s hope of returning. Nevermind they will get a worsening of economic relations and no more. Yes, and as we entered the WTO, we will leave.
  19. Mobidic
    Mobidic 11 December 2012 13: 09
    +2
    Are sanctions terrible for our country, such as Iran? If not, what is the point of litigation at the WTO? What will they do, fine us or punish us somehow according to the laws of the WTO? And if we do not pay fines, penalties or what else, then what? The maximum that they can do is drive us out of the WTO ?, followed by the payment of a large forfeit ?, and if we forget everything? Sanctions?...
  20. wax
    wax 11 December 2012 14: 12
    +1
    What kind of tantrums do some have? It was necessary to join the WTO even earlier, so we were not allowed. Membership in the WTO allows you to protect your trade interests. We must learn to do it - otherwise it is impossible. What all opportunities are used against us? So what's new here? No court will force us to import harmful products. And join alliances too. Let them try - for us it is also a platform for the struggle for our interests, where we can resist the hegemon to completely crush the WTO, along with other international organizations. In extreme cases, we can always send a hegemon and others like him in three letters - our power allows us to do this. You cannot live in a burrow with invented chimeras and at the same time claim to some position in the global world. Only forward, only to the line of fire!
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 11 December 2012 15: 27
      +3
      ".. Only forward, only into the line of fire .." .... wow, that's cool.
      ..
      Isn’t it easier to blaze a bullet in the forehead on your own?
      So as not to fool yourself .. with the sediment of your interests.
      They entered ... like ... to live it became sweet ... and not to stand on the line of fire.
      ...
      Again ... work for the sake of the process?
      ..
      and so .. BSE - ".. A game, a type of unproductive activity, where the motive lies not as a result of it, but in the process itself. I. accompanies humanity throughout its history, intertwining with magic, cult behavior, sports, military, etc. . training, art ... "
      ...
      A LONG PLAY ... will we? It's time to live. Just live. Let not sweet.
      1. Ymidge
        Ymidge 11 December 2012 17: 41
        +2
        Quote: Igarr
        A LONG PLAY ... will we? It's time to live. Just live. Let not sweet.

        If instead of "game" you substitute "life" in your TSB,
        Quote: Igarr
        a kind of unproductive activity, where the motive lies not as a result of it, but in the process itself. I. accompanies humanity throughout its history, intertwined with magic, cult behavior, sports, military and other training, art ... "

        What an exact definition of our stupid existence! drinks
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 11 December 2012 21: 31
          +2
          Well .... life is itself ... life ..
          The female there .. you cover .. the cubs you learn ... you get food ..
          Build a house, decorate it.
          To your woman - you bring flowers .. then she .. weaves of wreaths of them.
          Kids ... carry / ride on your back .. paint them ..
          From .. hut - you look .... the house turned out ..
          Everything is somehow in a stream.
          ...
          And then ... WTO ... which I saw in a coffin ... What is it for my children from him ??? Stop sneezing?
          But it won’t .. Out, on which I go ... I’ll start to walk ... my stomach will disappear ..
          Anything more useful.
          ..
          ..
          I’ll add a little ... I didn’t understand right away ... TSB .. is the Great Soviet Encyclopedia.
          Very competent publication.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 11 December 2012 20: 07
      +3
      Quote: Wax
      No court will force us to import harmful products.

      Is it really so?
      You tell the Europeans when they tried to close their countries from GMO corn from the USA!
  21. Megatron
    Megatron 11 December 2012 14: 21
    +2
    Let the recycling be canceled and the duties on foreign cars lowered, especially freight !!!
    1. Ymidge
      Ymidge 11 December 2012 17: 43
      +3
      Quote: Megatron

      Let the recycling be canceled and the duties on foreign cars lowered, especially freight !!

      Do not flatter yourself! Even if everything is done your way, the prices will NOT CHANGE !!!
  22. dmitrich
    dmitrich 11 December 2012 14: 32
    +3
    article written by the swamp b ...
    1. Ymidge
      Ymidge 11 December 2012 17: 47
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry
      article written by the swamp

      And finished! Such a drum against which to speak!
      If they had not fallen into the WTO, he would now tear the vest for entry! Like in Russia because everything is so bad that our anti-people government does not want to enter the club of civilized countries, well, so on without hesitation.
  23. vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 11 December 2012 14: 33
    +3
    Mikhail Khazin repeatedly warned, including at the HE: for the 20 years of joining the WTO, the procedure of legal authentication of the Russian translation of the statutory documents of the WTO has not been carried out. And these are thousands of printed pages. Moreover, there is no such translation. This means that the work of our Arbitration Court with translations will be regarded as fuss with a flick. Either the entire judicial procedure from A to Z will have to be conducted in the appropriate languages, or transferred to someone else's territory. This is a blow to sovereignty, and not a call to parents at school.
    1. urzul
      urzul 11 December 2012 14: 44
      +1
      Arbitration then? WTO is an international organization and cases are considered in a special commission.
  24. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 11 December 2012 15: 02
    +2
    As a matter of fact, the WTO is not a panacea and not a very big problem. Document-based WTO is bargaining. If there is political will and desire, then with the help of the WTO one can jump out of the enslaved vassal position. Proceedings in the WTO-court may become a reason for refusal, for example, to keep gold and foreign exchange reserves in the currencies of "advanced democracies". Moreover, a purely political motive for the squeals and squeals of the "West" is seen, the reasons for this are changes in our legislation and the expulsion of some unequivocally anti-Russian NGOs. Everything will be decided at the highest political level. We are the law on foreign media agents, we have dirty tricks on agriculture. We diversify gas supplies, we are dirty with the auto industry. Human rights, read a traitor, a homosexual and a pedophile, and screams about their violation will not fail in our country, therefore they are trying to come up with purely economic topics.
  25. Cynic
    Cynic 11 December 2012 16: 10
    +1
    Interestingly, is such a punishment as an exception to the WTO practiced?
    wink
  26. carver
    carver 11 December 2012 16: 36
    +2
    It seems that in the article someone prematurely oversaw, and most commentators happily support him. Can still look first at the result of these claims ??? The conditions for joining the WTO by Russia have been bargained for so long not in vain; I hope that if the main thing was to join this manure, we would have entered a long time and under any conditions. So, let’s first look at the results of this work, that confusing diarrhea beforehand will suffer the same will not change the fact of entry. Now to say that someone predicted something is possible only on specific cases, and not on statements.
  27. Badger
    Badger 11 December 2012 17: 06
    +5
    The article rubbish, the author of bullshit, has long been known for its proximity to the white-London scum. Why doesn’t he indicate that within the WTO the claims of countries to each other are very common? And that the number of complaints reaches several thousand a year. From imaginary, protectionist to very objective and fair. And that a provision is prescribed in the WTO charter, if the product does not meet the requirements (marriage, poisonous, poison, etc.) then it is entitled to refuse it. The hype raised by the author is groundless and exposes him as a complete layman, or maybe he just fulfills the order.
  28. kush62
    kush62 11 December 2012 17: 38
    0
    Badger, it's not just about the article. We need a reason for those who are always against it. Already even seriously you do not pay attention to many. One leaves for the mountains (there were already such Zhirinovites, they were going to fight in Iraq. They were photographed to the airport and it was all over. Grandfather’s garden and nothing else) It’s not profitable for another, he sells auto-junk from Japan. What if the cars get cheaper. Still others from the excess of convolutions of all hayut. Well, pluses write to each other. Soon there will be a site of marshals and outcasts. Well, at least there are adequate people. They can simply express their thoughts, right and wrong. And then apart from Putin’s obsession, there’s not enough mind. Kill, hang. shoot. quarter. The most basic words in their texts.
  29. Strashila
    Strashila 11 December 2012 19: 58
    0
    To the government ... nothing will help him ... only a closed psycho hospital. It’s not like to see your own country. Let them say that the West has fulfilled from the Gorbi era to the present day ... not a single promise, even those that are fixed by treaties and agreements . And then we are surprised ...
  30. WW3
    WW3 11 December 2012 21: 38
    +2
    Many experts initially warned: either we are creating the Customs Union and are engaged in the reintegration of the post-Soviet space, or we are joining the WTO. Because, relatively speaking, it is impossible to simultaneously be a member of the National Socialist Party of Germany and have a membership card of the CPSU (B.). Here, as in the joke about the "cross and underpants" - if you take off your underpants, then about the cross, be kind, do not forget.

    Well, here it’s not entirely true however ... Russia is already in the WTO, Kazakhstan is joining the WTO this month
    The process of Kazakhstan’s accession to the WTO began in 1996, when Kazakhstan submitted an official application to the WTO Secretariat to join this organization. Then the Republic of Kazakhstan was assigned the status of an observer country in the WTO. At the same time, a working group was created on Kazakhstan’s accession to the WTO, which currently includes 39 countries that are the main partners of Kazakhstan (USA, EU, Canada, Japan, Australia, Switzerland, China, the Republic of Korea, etc.).
    This year, Kazakhstan completed bilateral negotiations with the EU (including 27 countries) on access to the goods market.

    http://www.zakon.kz/4456051-kazakhstan-rasschityvaet-vstupit-v-vto.html
    Ukraine has already joined the WTO earlier than Russia, and Belarus -
    The other day, official Minsk announced the intensification of the negotiation process for joining the WTO, promising to join the organization in 18 months. And although the promises of the Belarusian authorities should not always be taken as the ultimate truth, and the Belarusian economy in its current form will do more harm than good, there are good reasons to believe that Minsk will fulfill its promises, and on time.

    http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/992555/
    Even Tajikistan is now in the WTO ...
    The protocol on obtaining a country’s membership in the organization was signed on Monday by President Emomali Rahmon and WTO Director General Pascal Lamy.
    This was announced by the Secretariat of the Organization at the end of the special session of the General Council of the WTO, reports "Interfax".
    Now, by June 7, 2013, the Tajik parliament should ratify the signed protocol, which will mean the republic’s acceptance of all the conditions of the organization. 30 days after ratification, Tajikistan will become a full member of the WTO

    http://www.charter97.org/ru/news/2012/12/10/62606/
    Another question, of course, each country joined the WTO on its own terms achieved during lengthy negotiations ...
  31. Strashila
    Strashila 11 December 2012 22: 21
    0
    Our government is reminiscent of rotozeo suckers who came to the fair from a bear’s corner to a big city with cut-off plans and dough ... but their whole stay ended with thimbles. You gentlemen wrote the WTO rules and you never won on them. You were able to surpass their stupidity and Borka and Gorbi together. From you only demogogy about the independence of the country ... handed over to slavery to transnational companies and corporations.
  32. 1goose3
    1goose3 12 December 2012 00: 18
    0
    our government suffers from schizophrenia when the left hand does one thing and the right hand does the other

    But is it time to cut off this extra hand?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 12 December 2012 00: 21
      +1
      Quote: 1goose3
      But is it time to cut off this extra hand?

      Chief Pahan laid on the rails. Did not help.