The destruction of the Patriot air defense system in Kyiv and the strikes of the S-200 air defense system on the Belgorod region: optimism and pessimism regarding the capabilities of Russian intelligence

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The destruction of the Patriot air defense system in Kyiv and the strikes of the S-200 air defense system on the Belgorod region: optimism and pessimism regarding the capabilities of Russian intelligence
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At the beginning of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine, the author had the opinion that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) had certain problems in terms of effective detection of objects for delivering effective strikes with high-precision weapons (WTO) long-range, as well as the correct assessment of the results of these strikes.



Apparently, long-range ATO strikes were not as effective as it was presented, although, of course, this raises the question of responsibility, what was required - to better identify targets and destroy them better, or talk less about "suppressed air defense systems (Defense) of Ukraine" and "the disabled military infrastructure: military airfields, aviation, air defense facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU)...". In the information field then there was an impression that aviation, air defense and fleet the enemy no longer has any left, you just need to break the slight resistance and enter Kyiv in full parade.

However, it is simply impossible to deny that Russian intelligence has certain problems.

Air Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


I would like to start with it. On the one hand, in the matter of destroying Ukrainian anti-aircraftmissile complexes (SAM) there are definitely successes - the confirmation by the Americans that the Patriot SAM was "minorly damaged" clearly indicates that the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) seriously rolled it. If it really was slightly damaged, no one would have said anything about a hit at all.

It is clear that hunting for air defense systems is a rather difficult task, especially for mobile systems operating in ambush mode and receiving external primary target designation from intelligence assets of NATO countries.

Only the recent S-200 air defense missile attack on Belgorod is surprising. By itself, the S-200 air defense system is an outdated and low-mobility complex. By the way, it was with his help that the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down a civilian plane over the Black Sea - the world community did not attach much importance to this event, but you can imagine what a howl would rise if it were Russia, it is enough to recall the “democratic hysteria” about the downed South Korean Boeing "- over our territory (!), and not over neutral waters.


The S-200 air defense system is not highly mobile

It could be assumed that by the current stage of the conflict, Ukraine should no longer have these air defense systems, however, the blow to Belgorod was allegedly delivered by a missile of the S-200 complex. How did our intelligence manage to figure out the Patriot, but "missed" the ancient S-200?

It can be assumed that the elements of the complex that allow it to be used precisely as an air defense system - radar stations (radar) for detection, as well as tracking and guidance radars, were destroyed, and since without them it will not be possible to use the S-200 air defense system against aircraft, then the remaining launchers (PU) and warehouses of anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) of the S-200 complex simply "scored". And the Armed Forces of Ukraine took and used the SAM from the S-200 air defense system as operational-tactical missiles - fortunately, the warhead there is quite powerful, most likely, even the control system was not particularly finalized - for firing at such large targets as peaceful cities, its accuracy is quite enough.

In principle, after the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned the obsolete Strizh and Reis UAVs into cruise missiles, something like this could be assumed, the question is also why don’t we do something like that, we don’t have old missiles left in the warehouses?

Air Force (Air Force)


Enemy aviation still exists and functions, periodically there are reports of the downing of enemy aircraft and helicopters. It is about shooting down in the air, and not about destruction on the ground. Moreover, the Armed Forces of Ukraine strike with stealthy Storm Shadow cruise missiles, which are launched from Su-24 front-line bombers. Most likely, these aircraft do not come close to the front line, where Russian aviation and air defense systems operate, but strike from the depths of the territory of Ukraine, which means that they can only be destroyed on the ground, at base airfields.


Photo of a Ukrainian Air Force Su-24M with suspended Storm Shadow cruise missiles. Telegram channel image bmpd

Why can't we destroy the Ukrainian Air Force on the ground? We don't have the resources to detect enemy aircraft? APU skillfully disguise aviation equipment?

It is clear that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have information about all the overflights of Russian reconnaissance satellites, that the United States warns the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the start of strikes against the Russian Armed Forces, and they urgently relocate planes and helicopters while the Geranium or Caliber is flying - it’s not difficult to catch it, they are slow, subsonic , but what about the "Dagger"? After all, it should be very difficult to “escape” from a hypersonic missile - the flight time of the Kinzhal missile for 500 kilometers will be less than five minutes, or even less than three.


Ukrainian Su-24 front-line bombers with Storm Shadow cruise missiles are a worthy target for Kinzhal

There is another option - Ukrainian aviation, at least part of it, is based abroad, in Poland, and makes flights from there. If so, then Poland is actually an aggressor, a direct participant in the conflict, which strikes at Russian territory, which means that Poland is a legitimate target for a massive strike on its airfields - Article 5 of the NATO Charter is no longer applicable here. If someone decides to use it, then NATO forces in Eastern Europe should be dealt a massive strike with tactical nuclear weapons.

And do not be afraid that Russia will become a "rogue state", that the whole world will turn its back on us, and so on and so forth. This will only happen if one or two nuclear strikes are launched, which our opponents will regard as another sign of weakness. And if there are two or three hundred strikes, then the world will change, as if by magic, and the conversation will quickly turn into a constructive direction - no one, neither in the United States nor in Western Europe, wants to die in radioactive ashes, but if someone has illusions about their ability to sit out in "quiet places", then they are easy to dispel.

Naval Forces (Navy) APU


On May 29, 2023, the Russian Armed Forces, with a strike of high-precision weapons at the parking lot of warships in the port of Odessa, destroyed the last warship of the Ukrainian Navy - the landing ship "Yury Olefirenko" of Polish construction. The question is that, in fact, the NWO has been going on for almost a year now, what were you expecting before?


Landing ship "Yuri Olefirenko"

Well, let's say that the destruction of this pelvis is not so bad, it is possible that it simply did not make it into the list of priority targets. Although, on the other hand, given the creative approach of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to outdated weapons, it was definitely not worth leaving such toys in their hands for a long time.

But here's another question - quite recently, the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny, who at the time of writing this article is in a state of "Schrödinger's cat", that is, it is not known for certain whether he is alive or dead, was apparently present at the commissioning of a small armored artillery the Bucha boat of Project 58155 Gyurza-M, launched in September 2021. The boat was developed by the Experimental Design Center for Shipbuilding in the Ukrainian city of Nikolaev and built at the Kuznya na Rybalskom enterprise in Kyiv.


Artillery boat "Bucha"

Of course, all these artillery boats are the Navy "for the poor", but still, why do this boat and the Forge on Rybalsky still exist? The reasons why artillery boats are not destroyed on the move are clear to everyone., but they periodically moor to the shore, is it really impossible to catch them at this moment? Well, the “Forge on Rybalsky” will definitely not run away anywhere. What matters here is not the boat itself, but rather the ability of Ukraine to still produce them, as well as our ability or inability to prevent this.

In addition, if the leadership of our country decides, and Russian Armed Forces will be able to ensure the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper, then there will be a need for the complete destruction of all watercraft on the Dnieper in order to completely deprive the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the possibility of supporting their forces on the left-bank Ukraine.


The destruction of bridges across the Dnieper is one of the cornerstones on which victory in Ukraine can be forged in the shortest possible time.

Ground Forces (SV) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


For ground forces, the situation is more complicated.

On the one hand, it is much easier to disperse and shelter ground combat vehicles than aircraft at airfields, but on the other hand, photographs periodically get into the network when the Armed Forces of Ukraine deliberately demonstrated large concentrations of armored vehicles and manpower, as if preparing for a counteroffensive.


APU quite often demonstrate large clusters of armored vehicles in the open air

The question is where these photos were taken. Most likely, most of the staged photos are taken somewhere in Western Ukraine, away from the front line. In this situation, even if the intelligence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation detects accumulations of armored vehicles, then most likely it will not work to strike. However, options are possible in this case, we will talk about them in the future.

Again, it is possible that a photo session with clusters of armored vehicles with Ukrainian flags is arranged somewhere in Poland.

If the Armed Forces of Ukraine collect armored vehicles in large clusters somewhere not far from the front line, then it would be very sad - how much our Armed Forces lack strategic high-altitude unmanned reconnaissance aircraft such as the American RQ-4 Global Hawk, capable of viewing the terrain 20-200 kilometers or more deep into enemy territory from a height of 300 kilometers. But on the approach of the enemy stratospheric scouts capable of patrolling for weeks or even months at an altitude of several tens of kilometers.


Boeing's SolarEagle (Vulture II) UAV must provide the ability to relay communications and reconnaissance while continuously in the air for five years (!), At an altitude of about twenty kilometers

Conclusions


The RF Armed Forces need a qualitative and quantitative strengthening of reconnaissance capabilities.

First of all, these are reconnaissance satellites in the optical and radar wavelength ranges. It is necessary to optimize designs and production lines, conveyor manufacturing of reconnaissance, control and communications satellites and their batch launch into orbit, as SpaceX does with its Starlink Internet communications satellites.

It is important to understand that the enemy has already mastered these technologies, and that the number of reconnaissance satellites of the United States and NATO countries will exceed any optimistic expectations, that China is breathing down their necks, which is quickly learning and well able to use other people's developments - we cannot lag behind in this matter.


The air base of the Russian strategic aviation in the city of "Engels" ("Engels-2") on satellite images of a private American company Capella space, it is possible that strike by Ukrainian UAVs on this air base planned based on satellite imagery provided by Capella Space

It is necessary to create high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs, as well as stratospheric UAVs capable of quasi-continuously monitoring the enemy, both in peacetime and in wartime, keeping him in relentless tension.


The high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft M-55 "Geophysics" was built in five copies - neither the USSR nor Russia had their own serial high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft comparable in performance to the American Lockheed U-2

It is necessary to create centers for processing large data arrays based on supercomputers and neural networks capable of almost instantly find threats, classify them and automatically prepare information for striking them with high-precision long-range weapons, where only the final decision-making remains for a person.

And finally, it is necessary to deeply study the possible actions of the enemy, including his non-standard moves, for example, such as turning obsolete UAVs into cruise missiles, but seemingly useless without radar for detecting and guiding missiles into operational-tactical missiles, which will ensure the elimination of these threats in the bud.
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  1. +56
    8 June 2023 05: 01
    Yes, it is necessary and necessary to create and improve. Medvedev also said that it is necessary to stop the enemy and go on the offensive. But who will do it? Isn't it those who can't find 1,5 million sets of military uniforms? Who watches how 900 shells a day are fired at Shebekino, but at the same time is very concerned about the extension of the "grain deal".
    1. +36
      8 June 2023 07: 31
      The RF Armed Forces need a qualitative and quantitative strengthening of reconnaissance capabilities.

      1. Will we win the industry for this in cards?
      2. Will we recruit personnel for the industry in a raid in neighboring countries?
      3. Are aliens urgently organizing a vocational school system for us?
      1. +5
        8 June 2023 15: 41
        Quote: Civil
        1. Will we win the industry for this in cards?
        2. Will we recruit personnel for the industry in a raid in neighboring countries?
        3. Are aliens urgently organizing a vocational school system for us?


        In industry, is it? It's just that if you rewind the time, to the beginning of 2022, then the RF Armed Forces had good reconnaissance capabilities, what decisions were made, who made them and why they did it all was another matter, so inefficient ... the same story with missiles, with shells (when the lunar landscapes were made), everything was in normal quantities, but the effectiveness of their use raises questions). And all these gestures of goodwill, lack of confidence in plans, etc. have a different basis.

        As for the industry itself, quite a lot is clearly being done now, people are working in several shifts, they are producing products for the military-industrial complex ... and if all this is applied effectively (not in the picture and papers), but in a real battle, by experienced people, then the result will be corresponding. But the most important thing is that the General Staff of the Armed Forces and the leadership of the Defense Ministry understand the real situation on the battlefield, and know what actions and goals should be in the future.

        Well, in general, of course, you need to change education for the better, invest in science (normal money, not the pennies that it is now), in industry, and then the result will be .... of course, it will be difficult to catch up with the USA / China, their economies at times are superior to ours and the level of technology is based on well-developed science / strong industry, etc. , but we can quite keep the level if the money is spent efficiently.
      2. 0
        8 June 2023 20: 20
        The industry seems to be capable, but bureaucrats are watching and giving orders to China, at least in the civilian direction. This information was on the frontier channel.
    2. +18
      8 June 2023 07: 49
      Well, this one had one less concern yesterday: the enemies broke the ammonia pipeline. Europe will not be able to drive ammunition from our raw materials. And as you wanted, they twisted their legs ...
      1. +29
        8 June 2023 08: 09
        M. Zakharova from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs promised to repair the ammonia pipeline in 1-3 months, if allowed. Them at the door, they at the window.
        1. +7
          8 June 2023 17: 47
          Somehow it turns out interesting ... it seems to be ours, this Russian wire, but it felt better to the soul that it was no longer there, but in theory it should be the other way around.
          1. +5
            8 June 2023 18: 13
            If Russian! Mazepin is muddy, and there is also Kantor looming. That's why it got easier.
            1. -6
              8 June 2023 22: 28
              You can do without nuclear strikes! Enough to destroy the submarine cables connecting Europe and the United States! Remember how they squeal in Britain when Russian ships pass by! After all, the destruction of these cables is the throwing of the EU and US economies into the stone age due to the disruption of interbank traffic! So said Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who was fired for criticizing Biden spending America's money on some clown in Kyiv! And with the destruction in the economy, what the hell is Ukraine? Save yourself who can and to hell with this Kiev! And you can shrug off the American way - the cables were destroyed by Ukraine in order to increase the degree of conflict! And there is no need to throw nuclear weapons - the economic damage will be such that there will be no one to support Ukraine! Because there is nothing! Well, if someone wants to die, then welcome to hell! But I highly doubt that anyone will want to! By the way, if the Kremlin had stopped pretending to be a mattress and destroyed the cables, then the NWO would have already ended last year! Because of the lack of funds for those who want to fight!
              1. -1
                8 June 2023 22: 40
                And a cheap means of observation can be created by licking the Chinese method. An airship or a balloon of the appropriate carrying capacity is taken, supplied with observation and positioning equipment, correction and movement engines, and driven to a height of 40 kilometers, where this whole structure will be inaccessible to Ukrainian aviation! And it turns out an inexpensive means of AWACS and satellite surveillance in one bottle! How much has the US been tinkering with a Chinese balloon? I think Ukraine will not succeed!
  2. +3
    8 June 2023 05: 09
    There is another option - Ukrainian aviation, at least part of it, is based abroad, in Poland, and makes flights from there. If so, then Poland is in fact an aggressor, a direct participant in the conflict, which strikes at Russian territory, which means that Poland is a legitimate target for a massive strike on its airfields - Article 5 of the NATO Charter is no longer applicable here. If someone decides to use it, then NATO forces in Eastern Europe should be dealt a massive strike with tactical nuclear weapons.

    And do not be afraid that Russia will become a "rogue state", that the whole world will turn its back on us, and so on and so forth. This will only happen if one or two nuclear strikes are launched, which our opponents will regard as another sign of weakness. And if there are two or three hundred strikes, then the world will change, as if by magic, and the conversation will quickly turn into a constructive direction - no one, neither in the United States nor in Western Europe, wants to die in radioactive ashes

    In order to consider Poland a direct participant in the conflict, irrefutable evidence is needed. I don't think we have them. Therefore, there will be no strike on Polish airfields. Or a more realistic option: even if there is evidence, our leadership will not strike with tactical nuclear weapons on Polish territory because of the risk of a large-scale nuclear conflict. Do not forget that American nuclear weapons are located in Europe, and the Americans will not worry about Europe, and will be able to use them on our territory, while, as it were, remaining aloof, across the ocean.
    Two or three hundred nuclear explosions in Europe will really change the world. The fact that Europe will become a completely infected territory. Part of our country will also be at risk of pollution, even if there is no retaliation. So the blow will not bring obvious benefit. Well, when TNW strikes on the territory of Poland, casualties among the civilian population are inevitable. Which will automatically make us the guilty party.
    1. +32
      8 June 2023 05: 39
      The Polish Volunteer Corps (PDK) is openly fighting in the Belgorod region, and the Poles are not particularly afraid that this invasion will cause some kind of attack on their territory. Although at the beginning of the "SVO" Putin menacingly declared that it would be better for everyone else not to interfere in this conflict and even adjusted something in the strategic forces regime. As a result, this turned out to be a bluff, which NATO understood well, having even struck the Kremlin (without response). So now expect Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, Czech and other limitrophe "volunteer" corps!
      1. +1
        8 June 2023 07: 21
        Putin sternly stated that it was better for everyone else not to interfere in this conflict and even corrected something in the regime of strategic forces

        This is what we should have started with. So that the "enlightened West" would drop its jaw on the table. A strike by a couple of strategists from two oceans on bridges, dams, machine halls, warehouses - and that's it, the enemy is immobilized on the left bank and the country's infrastructure is undermined. Advance from Belarus to the Right Bank, seize control centers, crush the unorganized resistance. And having reached the rear of the main left-bank group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces - destroy it piecemeal. This is what should have been done.
        And now it is not too late, but the blow of the strategists must be forced to be more massive, and the landwehr is needed for the occupation - at least 800 thousand people.
        So now wait for the Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, Czech and other limitrophe "volunteer" corps!

        According to my estimates, in a year the countries you mentioned should attack Belarus, defeat its army and go to Smolensk. Thus, putting us before the choice of a shameful peace (with the subsequent liquidation of Russia as a sovereign state) or unleashing a full-scale war, but according to NATO plans. Considering the strong-willed qualities of our decision-making centers, we can assume which of the scenarios will be implemented.
        1. +6
          8 June 2023 07: 25
          irrefutable evidence is needed ... will automatically make us the guilty party ...

          You, unfortunately, have peacetime approaches. In war, no evidence is required and the right of force triumphs, and not the force of law, however, even now driven into a corner by the liberal machine of total suppression.
          Two or three hundred nuclear explosions in Europe will really change the world

          You rightly noted that in the event of a nuclear war in Eurasia, the United States will retain its strategic nuclear potential, knocking ours down to the level of an "acceptable threat." So this scenario leads to our strategic defeat.
          1. -6
            8 June 2023 08: 04
            in the case of a nucleus in Europe, you can no longer beat. More precisely to beat not in the first place. First of all, it will be necessary to hit there across the ocean, where our main enemy is sitting. With the disappearance of the states, Europe will no longer be so hostile (there is no longer a master), what choice will the Europeans have?
          2. -4
            8 June 2023 13: 06
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            You rightly noted that in the event of a nuclear war in Eurasia, the United States will retain its strategic nuclear potential, knocking ours down to the level of an "acceptable threat." So this scenario leads to our strategic defeat.

            For a war with EUs, you do not need to spend ICBMs, for them the RF Armed Forces have a quite good arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons.
            1. -1
              8 June 2023 18: 49
              For a war with EUs, you do not need to spend ICBMs, for them the RF Armed Forces have a quite good arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons.

              The point is that it will not be used up by us, but by us, tactical nuclear weapons from Europe and from the seas, at the command of the KNSh, are inflicting a preemptive strike. Knocked out St. 90% of our strategic potential, and 10% - is considered "acceptable damage to the United States." And the US will really be able to say, "We haven't started yet." The fact that Europe at the same time-to shreds only plays into their hands.
        2. +14
          8 June 2023 07: 32
          Against the background of the fact that officials higher than the governor have not even recognized the shelling of Belgorod so far, there is no need to rely on the strikes of "strategists". With this guide, at least...
        3. -5
          8 June 2023 16: 18
          This is where it should have started. So that the "enlightened West" jaw on the table collapsed. A strike by a pair of strategists from two oceans on bridges, dams, turbine halls, warehouses - and all the enemy is immobilized on the left bank and the country's infrastructure is undermined.

          I am in favor of a TNW strike. However, of course, not against NATO countries. We definitely don't need a Third World War. However, for example, an explosion of a thermonuclear bomb of sufficiently high power over Kiev, so that a significant part of the electronics could be disabled by an electromagnetic pulse, would have an effect if followed by a massive bomber raid on important targets (Kyiv bridges, air defense systems, government buildings, the dam of the Kyiv hydroelectric power station). This would have a good effect. A high-altitude thermonuclear explosion would not have caused the death of the population, except that someone would have received injuries from the glass of the broken windows. It would not have caused significant radioactive contamination. For example, after the explosion of the "Tsar Bomba" on Novaya Zemlya (60 megatons), our specialists were already working with devices under the epicenter of the explosion the next day, since the radiation was weak. And of course, they would have exploded a far from "Tsar Bomba" over Kiev, but something smaller. After such a raid, which would have been a warning, some would have thought about the prospects of war with Russia. In addition, the warring armies should be given tactical nuclear weapons. And as for the Americans hitting us... I doubt it very much. The West always keeps its own shirt close to its body. And any evidence is a worthless piece of paper. Everyone has already been convinced of this, and what needs to be explained to the same Poles, Germans and others. We will catch them, we will not prove them, we will just hit them harder and that's it.
          1. +4
            8 June 2023 17: 38
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            I am a supporter of the TNW strike.

            Are you aware that the use of even a single TNW charge by Russia against Ukraine will lead to an immediate strike of TNW against the Russian Federation by the EEC, China and the USA?
            So "the whole world into dust" will not work, 1/6 of the earth will turn into dust.
            1. +1
              8 June 2023 22: 20
              What did you come up with!? Where, in what nuclear strategy did you read?
              1. 0
                12 June 2023 23: 42
                And from which side did they add the EEC - an economic organization and China ?.
                Has he already declared, where and when, his solidarity with the United States?
                Or does the author work as an old gelding?
          2. -3
            8 June 2023 18: 59
            99% agree with you. But the devil is in that 1%.
            First, the United States will hit us if we keep the strategic nuclear forces in a non-deployed state, and it will not work to deploy them covertly. And they will strike only with tactical weapons from Europe and from the seas. This is enough for 90% of our strategic nuclear forces, and damage from 10% (actually, the estimated figure is 8%, but this is for ICBMs) is acceptable for them according to calculations. Therefore, it is necessary to deploy SSBNs (here there is the possibility of covert deployment) and strike from the ocean. If they realize that they were preempted, then you are right, do not poke your head.
            About the rest - true, but no demonstrative tests and appeals to the goodwill of the "partners". Only military expediency.
            1. 0
              9 June 2023 16: 13
              First, the United States will hit us if we keep the strategic nuclear forces in a non-deployed state, and it will not work to deploy them covertly.

              Well, for example, how will you or the US know what combat readiness our silo-based strategic missiles are in? Yes, and before launching a tactical nuclear strike, the SSBN would have been reported to be deployed to sea. So, the damage to the US would clearly be more than 10%. But even 10% is not a small amount. That's more than one hundred and fifty strategic charges, and imagine that they hit major cities. Even if the US remains a power after that, it won't even be a second-rate one. A war between the US and Russia is a war to destroy countries, to destroy populations. So it's unlikely that the US will rush to fight Russia with strategic weapons. But a nuclear war in Europe is possible, and that would be the end of Europe. I don't think the Europeans are such suckers.
              1. 0
                9 June 2023 16: 56
                I just found myself in this task as an engineer, and not today.
                If HIDDEN is the key word, deploy SSBNs in the oceans (and they won't be intercepted there!) - then we have a chance.
                If we try to turn around in full with mobile launchers, they cover 92% of mine and mobile launchers. Again, if they PREVENT to strike with their tactical nuclear weapons from both Europe and from the North and East, tactical nuclear weapons + strategic nuclear weapons along a ballistic trajectory from the oceans.
                The covert deployment of strategic nuclear forces is an extremely complex operation associated with the creation of false threats and masking real ones. At the same time, the fate of the state and the nation is actually on the scales (I do not mean specifically the Russians, but all the constituents of our people).
                However, if the United States misses our deployment in the ocean, they will have no choice but to turn on the back. As their eggheads calculated, "the damage is becoming unacceptable."
              2. 0
                9 June 2023 17: 02
                So it is unlikely that the United States will rush to fight against Russia with strategic weapons. But a nuclear war in Europe is possible and Europe will end. I don't think Europeans are such suckers.

                And here you are right!
                They are not going to fight strategic nuclear forces, but they are going to dictate their will to us with a ratio of forces of 10:1. They hope that they are not fanatics, but partners. And Europe, according to all calculations, is written off as a fragment of civilization. They spat on the Europeans, however, as well as on all strangers of Anglo-Saxon blood. And the UK ... well, they will let the island into a museum.
          3. +7
            9 June 2023 08: 49
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            I am a supporter of the TNW strike

            Why don't you personally go to liberate Shebekino, or whatever is being occupied there now? The result is one, and the hassle for others is much less.
            1. -2
              9 June 2023 16: 41
              By chance, you do not serve in the CIPSO and, probably, you live in Ukraine. What makes you think that Shebekino and even N. Tavolzhanka need to be released. Yours are not there. And I don’t represent any trouble for those around me, because I don’t serve in the army.
              1. -1
                9 June 2023 18: 04
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                What makes you think that Shebekino and even N. Tavolzhanka need to be released

                Well, you don't have to. Then sail to Kherson, or something.
        4. +1
          8 June 2023 20: 29
          I have an uncle from Irpen, on the first day he said that he drank 100 for the victory of Russia, then I had to leave for Germany with my family (my sisters are against Russia), so that's what I'm talking about. Many, like my uncle in Ukraine, supported and probably still support the victory of Russia. But this position of huckstering, betrayal has already turned many away from Russia. People were waiting for liberation, and their...
          1. 0
            9 June 2023 16: 45
            Well, yes, they threw it. But, not in a hurry. They just screwed up. They thought to quickly nail and chop off the Donbass, since it was clear to the horse that the war was not beneficial to anyone, and it was very unprofitable. They did not even think about capturing the south. But it turned out that the war is beneficial to the United States and came out a bummer.
      2. +4
        8 June 2023 13: 17
        Quote: Boris Sergeev
        So now wait for the Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, Czech and other limitrophe "volunteer" corps!

        Well, I wouldn’t write Czechs into limitrophs ...
        During the Civil War, the Czech corps as part of the Kolchak army made a rustle throughout Mother Russia.
        These Slavic Catholics are dangerous guys. Both world wars fought against us.
        And their industry is highly developed.
        It is generally better not to compare with the Tribaltic Extinctions!
        1. +3
          8 June 2023 13: 46
          I meant that NATO would fight under the guise of "vacationers", putting on the facade not American or British, but Slavic and "former Soviet" units.
    2. +5
      8 June 2023 05: 43
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      In order to consider Poland a direct participant in the conflict, irrefutable evidence is needed. I don't think we have them.

      Yes, and formally this can be circumvented, it is enough to land on a jump airfield on the territory of Ukraine.
    3. -2
      8 June 2023 15: 07
      Contamination may not be significant, nuclear weapons are relatively clean. If you don’t make a bomb specially sharpened for radioactive contamination of the area, as in Poseidon.
  3. +16
    8 June 2023 05: 59
    The conclusion is simple, in peacetime it is not necessary to splurge on your leadership, otherwise it begins to believe that the army is really so powerful.
    As a result, instead of a small victorious war, we have a bloody conflict that is unclear when it will end.
    Well, then With all due respect to our scientists and engineers, Russia will not be able to independently ensure superiority in all areas, especially in the field of intelligence over Western technology, simply because of the weakness of the economy.
    1. -12
      8 June 2023 06: 40
      Quote: certero
      Russia will not be able to independently ensure superiority in all areas, especially in the field of intelligence over Western technology, simply because of the weakness of the economy.

      Show at least one state that, IN ONE SNOUT, provides with its economy superiority in everything over everyone ... Yes, at least it produces everything for itself? In the same USA - nuclear energy depends critically on both France and Russia, it will stupidly get up without them, there is simply no light industry, everything is in China, the F-35 is not able to build YOURSELF, NATO is riveted to everyone, but there’s nowhere to spit at all - that’s all production - at the expense of FOREIGN industry, they themselves do not know how to do shit. Not even hypersound, but banal machine guns - THERE ARE NO American ones in NATURE, they can’t design for more than a century already - not a single normal one, just some macaques like a spitting pig and M2 Browning, in fact dug out a hundred times by a flight attendant developed by the First World War.
      PC: but look at Apple's capitalization! Favorite mantra of hamsters
      1. man
        +8
        8 June 2023 13: 11
        Show at least one state that, IN ONE SNOUT, provides with its economy superiority in everything over everyone ... Yes, at least it produces everything for itself?
        Easy. Soviet Union! You mean weapons, if I'm not mistaken. And he produced absolutely everything for himself ... except for bananas and coffee beans.
    2. AUL
      +9
      8 June 2023 07: 32
      Quote: certero
      The conclusion is simple, in peacetime it is not necessary to splurge on your leadership, otherwise it begins to believe that the army is really so powerful.

      It's impossible! And then a couple of times upset the management of the real state of affairs, it will be upset and replace you with someone who will not upset. Leadership - it protects its nervous system! At all levels.
  4. +10
    8 June 2023 06: 08
    Conclusions: it is necessary, it is necessary, it is necessary .. That is, when the chicken-tobacco, its beak began to knock on the top of the head, and the base, for all these, you need to eat? Is there anything left? At least footage?
  5. -2
    8 June 2023 06: 33
    why don't we do something similar, we don't have old missiles left in our warehouses?

    Striking aimlessly at cities is a war crime - once, and does not carry any military meaning - two, the latter is proven by the COMPLETE ineffectiveness of carpet bombing of cities in WWII. There was no intimidation of the population either in Japan or in Germany, and surrender was not brought closer for a second, no matter how the Yankees twisted.
    That's why WE don't hit anywhere. Too lazy to look at WWII - look at Donetsk, 9 years under shelling - are you going to capitulate? Helped at least something militarily? Question settled
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    2. +1
      9 June 2023 16: 33
      It is clear that killing civilians is bad, very undemocratic, especially such a population that basically supports the ideology "Russia is our enemy, it is to blame for all our problems since the time of Polish rule." At the same time, Russia will look like universal evil. However, while the United States demolished an entire city in Syria, apparently thousands died and nothing: the United States is the most just democracy in the world. Is it a crime or not. And what did the United States do there without the invitation of the government?
      1. 0
        9 June 2023 17: 13
        However, while the United States demolished an entire city in Syria, apparently thousands died and nothing

        Upvoted, honestly!
        Once again, the winner is right, no matter what he does. And the Americans, sweeping away in Syria (or is it in Iraq?), A whole city saved thousands of lives of their soldiers and hundreds of lives of coalition soldiers (they don’t care about the latter). This is how they see the war since 1944. And, to a certain extent, they are right. Never has an enemy sowed death in the United States, never have their soldiers suffered from a lack of support from the air or from the sea. And what happened in Vietnam was studied by them and appropriate conclusions were drawn.
        So our opponent is strong, cynical and will stop at nothing that will bring him an easy victory. and in case of defeat, he is ready to crawl across the ocean, regroup and start from the beginning, but already at a new level.
        1. +1
          9 June 2023 23: 26
          Why am I in favor of a serious, but not a continuous massive nuclear strike on Ukraine? Yes, only for the reason that it will save tens of thousands of soldiers' lives and reduce the number of cripples also in tens of thousands on both sides. There would certainly be fewer victims of a nuclear attack than the victims of a long multi-year war that looms on the horizon.
      2. -1
        9 June 2023 18: 08
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        However, while the United States demolished an entire city in Syria, apparently thousands died and nothing

        You probably remember Mosul. This is Iraq, and the states were demolished along with government troops.

        And what are you, dear friend, decided to remember Mosul - the capital of ISIS banned in the Russian Federation - here to remember?
  6. +3
    8 June 2023 06: 42
    2-3 hundred strikes with nuclear missiles? And the West will turn a blind eye and of course will not respond? Brilliant. The world will change, who argues. But what will remain of it?
  7. -3
    8 June 2023 07: 33
    And here is the casket that just opened. From the editor of AiK, the magazine is like this:

    Well, when we have only 8 radio reconnaissance satellites - for the whole ball ... And they just have to detect the backgrounds in the radio range - all communication centers, and by the way, air defense too ...
    1. -1
      8 June 2023 10: 17
      Well, when we have only 8 radio reconnaissance satellites - for the whole ball ... And they just have to detect the backgrounds in the radio range - all communication centers, and by the way, air defense too ...

      We do not have satellites for the whole ball, but mostly where we need. And this is the northern hemisphere. Our military doctrine is different, not like in the USA.
      Therefore, the problem is, firstly, not in quantity, but in quality.
      secondly, the analysis of the American "Desert Storm" showed that there are not enough military satellites in any case, and civilian ones are used, and here, unfortunately, we have a gap of orders of magnitude.
      And thirdly, the problem is not in detection, but in the speed of processing information and striking. They have been talking about reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire (RUKs and ROKs) complexes since the 80s, little has changed since those times.
    2. +10
      8 June 2023 10: 47
      Quote from Bingo
      Well, when we have only 8 radio reconnaissance satellites - for the whole ball ... And they just have to detect the backgrounds in the radio range - all communication centers, and by the way, air defense too ...

      The opening of the air defense system should not be dealt with by RTR satellites, but by RTR aircraft. Air duty 24/7 + periodic "poking with a stick" (work "for an injection" - a demonstration of a strike by IBA and UAV aircraft) to open communication networks and complexes that are silent in standby mode.

      During the Cold War, this was done by machines based on the Il-18, An-12, Tu-16 and Tu-95. Most of which did not survive the "holy nineties".
  8. 0
    8 June 2023 07: 34
    How much can we read about "hysterics"? This one is hysterical, that one is hysterical, the third one is hysterical. Every day someone throws a tantrum because of Russia's actions. It's like with red lines and analogous nets.
    In fact, all these tantrums are approximately like the reaction of the crew of Donald Cook to the inclusion of the Khibiny - especially none.
    Is it really not possible to just soberly assess things?
    1. +5
      8 June 2023 08: 58
      Is it really not possible to just soberly assess things?

      "- Stepan! The guest's carriage broke down.
      - I see, sir. The axis flew. And the needles need to be changed.
      - How much will you do?
      - I'll do it in a day.
      - And for two?
      - Well... For... Let's do it for two.
      - And in five days?
      - Well, if you try - you can and for five.
      - And for ten?
      - Well, sir, you set tasks! You can't do it alone for ten days, here you need an assistant - homo sapiens!
      - Take assistants, but not earlier! "(c)
  9. -5
    8 June 2023 07: 37
    If we do not withdraw from the UN and all treaties and do not complete diplomatic relations with the wild west, then we will bury ourselves with these sanctions ..
  10. +7
    8 June 2023 07: 44
    The author, the conclusions are too flattened. The matter of intelligence problems is much deeper and more systemic. Let me show this with a small example. If a subunit manages to uncover the tactics of using new weapons with the help of various technical means, and the processed materials go up as intelligence reports, they go to headquarters, and do not become the content of a circular for review. The end consumer, if I may say so, of intelligence is a warring military unit and subdivision. But how much does the regimental commander know about the information received from the satellite? In the golden time of the USSR, my ship commander knew about zero of this relevant information: for example, general information about the deployment of forces. And now how? And the point is not only in communication systems, but in the ability to dispose of what is mined, I'm talking about this.
    1. +5
      8 June 2023 12: 59
      Quote: Galleon
      The end consumer, if I may say so, of intelligence, is a warring military unit and subdivision

      Of course no! Where did you even get this?! Some kind of madness...
      Apparently, Hollywood movies format people's consciousness much faster than I thought. Although I am already a pretty pessimist. There, Seagal's hero himself obtains information, processes it himself, makes a plan for the operation himself and carries it out himself. Even in the Duma's special forces group, he is there, and even then, with his special training, he works only with the most immediate tactics.
      And the intelligence information that has gone up returns to the commanders in the form of a series of orders. Which explains what and how to do it. But in no case should he receive a heap of "raw materials"! Such a nightmare would mean that there are no more headquarters, and everyone is saving himself as best he can, that is, this is a defeat. God forbid it comes to this!
  11. +2
    8 June 2023 07: 49
    When they say or write the word "necessary, necessary, must" you can not read further! this means that there is none of the above and whether they will lie, this is our reality. Do you understand what we .... hole :(
    1. +2
      8 June 2023 09: 00
      Agree! Because after the words "should" and "should", the expression "I know how to do" is asked. And a real plan is proposed, point by point. Unfortunately, we do not see any plans with sequential actions, execution algorithms
  12. +3
    8 June 2023 08: 52
    In order to realize what the author proposed, you don’t need much at all, to catch a goldfish or go to the wizard Goodwin and he will give everything or meet 12 months at the New Year’s fire, they will help.
  13. +1
    8 June 2023 09: 05
    Is a private satellite and a private company providing its images a participant in the conflict, and our adversary at that? And why then do they still continue to fly over Russia? am
  14. -2
    8 June 2023 09: 22
    Quote from Bingo
    Well, when we have only 8 radio intelligence satellites - for the whole ball ...


    Actually, infa flashed that the PRC is helping us with its reconnaissance satellites, if true, then not everything is hopeless.
  15. +8
    8 June 2023 10: 29
    Wherever you look, there's a wedge! What are the reasons for the current state of the army? After all, if there are no brains at the top of the army to calculate strategy and means of armed struggle against the enemy in advance, then at least analyze the results of the West's wars in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya... And draw conclusions! I am sure that there are bright minds at the top of the army! But, unfortunately, they are pushed aside from making competent decisions. The current minister, the chief of the general staff and their chosen, pleasing subordinates decide. But these personnel have already been exposed enough during the year and three months of war on the outskirts. The chief tank biathlete has long lacked modern tanks, problems with communications, intelligence... This SVO will end in victory, of course, but what will be the losses, costs... And who can guarantee that this "guard" will not remain at the helm! And is it possible to hope to defeat NATO with such an elite of the Ministry of Defense?... I agree with the respected Author - everything in the article is to the point.
    1. +3
      8 June 2023 12: 51
      Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
      I'm sure there are bright heads at the top of the army! But, unfortunately, they are pushed away from making competent decisions.

      Of course there is. And yes, they do not give will. But even if they gave b ... We need a base. Which needs to be created for decades. Instead of her...
    2. +1
      9 June 2023 08: 46
      Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
      This NWO will end in victory, of course, but what will be the losses, costs ...

      And what is a victory in SVO?
      Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
      Is it possible to hope to defeat NATO with such an elite of the Defense Ministry?

      Is it possible with one and a half percent of the world economy to defeat half of the world economy? And by the way, what is the victory over NATO? In Mr Putin's ability to stay in power beyond 2030? Then yes, it is definitely possible.
      1. -4
        9 June 2023 08: 54
        Quote: Negro
        And what is a victory in SVO?

        This is something you really don't like. Ukrainian African American.

        Quote: Negro
        Is it possible with one and a half percent of the world economy to defeat half of the world economy?

        Have you looked at the globe? Look, there are many more different countries, in addition to the "half of the economy" with its barbershops.

        And generally speaking -

  16. +3
    8 June 2023 11: 25
    but you can look at the problem differently: setting the right task for intelligence is a big part of success... and who sets the task?? Those who have never left their offices during their service, or those who have advanced along the party line... not to mention the ministry... and those who can formulate the task correctly - they are pushed aside so as not to look ignorant against their background
  17. +4
    8 June 2023 11: 34
    Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
    This NWO will end in victory, of course,

    It is impossible to win with the current leadership, simply because such a task is not set and the forces and means for this are simply not enough.
    The most likely option is the end of the Korean or Iranian-Iraqi type of conflict, where each side will declare its victory. But this is still very far away
    1. +3
      8 June 2023 12: 54
      It is impossible to win with the current leadership,

      Within the framework of the NWO, it is impossible to win under any leadership.
      What do you understand by victory?
      Change of regime in kueva?
      Destruction of the state of Ukraine?
      SVO does not set such tasks.
      And the declared task of denazification is not being solved by military means at all.

      The task of demilitarization and ensuring the security of the residents of Donbass is entirely solvable.
      Will it be a win?
  18. +9
    8 June 2023 12: 49
    Why can't we destroy the Ukrainian Air Force on the ground? We don't have the resources to detect enemy aircraft? APU skillfully disguise aviation equipment?
    For the simple reason that at the moment we are only pretending to be a great space power. Alas, the maintenance of toilets on the ISS and the work of cab drivers are not about the Great Power. It's about something else.
    Observation satellites are needed, dozens of them, capable of providing not images of the surface, but continuous broadcasting. Pictures are just a scam. Rubbing the eyes of the authorities the day before yesterday, from which there is no benefit, except harm. In the intervals between the formation of the next picture, it is relatively easy to hide what you want to hide.
    While the broadcast can be analyzed by a supercomputer, solving the problem of optical interference created by the atmosphere to a large extent. A team of serious programmers and an appropriate tool, and no one will hide. A year and a half has passed. This is not to mention all the previous years. So where?
  19. 0
    8 June 2023 12: 49
    What did you, Mr. Mitrofanof, want to "tell" about in this article? That everything is bad with technical intelligence, communications, mass equipping of troops with advanced ideas, well-thought-out plans, decent combat equipment and weapons coupled with ammunition, and, of course, political will. It is difficult, of course, to write about the Armed Forces, in a "positive key" of a country that has only just embarked on the "path" of active construction of capitalism "with a human face" (30 years is a meager period in the history of the development of any state). ... The "birth and childhood diseases" of this "development" have not yet been eradicated, such as nepotism, unprofessionalism, excessive democracy and liberalism, the non-obligatory execution of laws, orders, instructions (even the Supreme), rules and agreements, the "repulsiveness" of responsibility for crimes and the leniency of punishments, especially for the state. apparatus, a strange organization of the fight against corruption, which has become almost a national sport. So far, the hotbeds and "abscesses" of the "fifth and sixth" columns, the "waiters" and, simply, "don't care" of all stripes, in politics, economics, finance, education, science and culture have not yet been destroyed. All this, taken together, prevents us from moving with "seven-league" strides into the "bright" capitalist future and standing in line with such "pillars" of the "sweet life" as the USA, the once great Britain, Germany, France and - further down the alphabet.... Well, the ARMED FORCES are a "mirror" of that country and that socio-economic system that exists in that country or is emerging.... We are still at the "beginning of the journey" surrounded by countries (blocs) that understand with great difficulty (if they understand) what Russia is, Russian capitalism with a "human face" and the "Russian world" - to boot. And multipolarity, sovereignty, security guarantees and international respect among these "pillars of the sweet life" cause, basically, a vomiting effect and a persistent feeling of idiosyncrasy, which, in them, are compensated by neo-fascism, a group weakening of the cognitive functions of the brain..... And Everything will be fine with the RF Armed Forces, Mr. Mitrofanov. There are already serious successes in the Ukrainian theater of military operations, the military-industrial complex is moving and, already in three shifts, the General Staff has moved from "gestures of good will" and "planned regroupings" to meaningful and well-thought-out operations. The mass motivation of the RF Armed Forces personnel has reached that "bar" after which successful offensive operations can be carried out... In general, the army is learning to fight, after 77 years of standing "in winter quarters", reorganizations, parades, and other biathlons and forums that relaxed and pampered it. That's how it is...
  20. +3
    8 June 2023 12: 50
    "Mitrofanovshchina" "healthy person" laughing request
  21. +2
    8 June 2023 12: 50
    The destruction of bridges across the Dnieper is one of the cornerstones on which victory in Ukraine can be forged in the shortest possible time.


    Conclusions

    The RF Armed Forces need a qualitative and quantitative strengthening of reconnaissance capabilities.


    Are they (bridges) crawling or what?

    I won't talk about bridges. This is a special topic.
    But in most cases, the issue of defeating certain targets is not a matter of space intelligence, but a matter of political will.
  22. +4
    8 June 2023 13: 37
    Everything about the shipyard is simple - the Russian oligarchs had a share in the factory and it became inviolable.
  23. -4
    8 June 2023 14: 19
    the question is also why we don’t do something similar, we don’t have old missiles left in the warehouses?
    Maybe because we do not shoot at residential areas, whom God sends?
  24. +1
    8 June 2023 14: 43
    By the way, it was with his help that the Armed Forces of Ukraine shot down a civilian plane over the Black Sea - the world community did not attach much importance to this event,

    the author, but could you remind us, the final payments to the passengers of that ill-fated flight with Russian and Israeli passports ...
    this information is very informative
    1. -1
      9 June 2023 08: 40
      Quote: Dedok
      this information is very informative

      It is also significant that these were joint Russian-Ukrainian exercises (yes, there was such a thing), but for some reason no one asks who was responsible for clearing the sky from civilian traffic.
      1. 0
        17 June 2023 20: 21
        Well, there was nothing for scientists to flee abroad, to Israel.
        They were not ordinary people, all former workers with biological weapons worked.
        Developments so as not to go beyond the cordon, they took it and intentionally shot it down. Well, the fact that extra people were destroyed, well, it’s not without losses.
  25. +2
    8 June 2023 14: 48
    The RF Armed Forces need a qualitative and quantitative strengthening of reconnaissance capabilities.

    the first thing that is needed is not to take the budget apart;
    the second is to change the grief of the leaders: that's enough, everyone has seen the results of such leadership;
    the third is to punish such leadership in public.
  26. -1
    8 June 2023 14: 48
    Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
    Everything about the shipyard is simple - the Russian oligarchs had a share in the factory and it became inviolable.


    rather - "lay eyes"
  27. -5
    8 June 2023 14: 54
    Our Boeing 747s were not shot down in 1984, they shot down a KC-135, and the Boeing was a doll filled with all sorts of junk, which was sunk by the Americans near the island of Wakkanai. In fact, there was "The Third World War over Sakhalin." A book by Yu. I. Mukhin and Michel Brun. https://books.google.ru/books/about/%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%A1%D0%B0.html?id=y8IjAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y
    1. +1
      9 June 2023 08: 38
      Quote: zombirusrev
      book by Yu.I. Mukhin and Michel Brun.

      )))
      Where without the famous aviation historian Mukhin.
  28. +2
    8 June 2023 15: 15
    It is necessary to create centers for processing large data arrays based on supercomputers and neural networks that can almost instantly find threats,

    Yes Yes. Tomorrow we will run and create.

    The author - you put questions but do not put answers. WHO will do all this? How and when?
    Do you only know how to ask questions? Well go and shoot yourself then.
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    1. -2
      8 June 2023 16: 41
      And what are the problems? I think not bigger than the war with Poland, which has already begun with the Polish invasion of Shebekino. Imagine, in NATO, the generals are waking up, but there is no Poland. And there is no one to fight for, and I don’t want to. In 1939 they only protested. NATO does not need any reason to strike SNF. If they could, they would have done it long ago. And then they would have invented a reason if someone had survived. In the event of an all-out nuclear war, the media will disappear along with "democracy". Nobody will know anything. Everyone will only follow the orders of the military.
      1. 0
        9 June 2023 08: 32
        Quote: meandr51
        If they could, they would have done it long ago.

        But why?

        Let me remind you that for the first 20 years, the States had a monopoly on nuclear weapons (including delivery vehicles). At the same time, the USSR not only gave reasons, but directly suggested itself.
        Quote: meandr51
        I think no bigger than the war with Poland, which has already begun with the Polish invasion of Shebekino

        )))
        Polish invasion of Shebekino. Sounds good.
      2. +2
        9 June 2023 09: 15
        NATO does not need any reason to strike SNF.

        You judge others by yourself. However, I am not surprised at inadequate comments, they are not responsible for the bazaar. But the inadequate proposals in the article: an attack on Poland with hundreds of nuclear missiles, it hooked me.
    2. osp
      +1
      9 June 2023 02: 56
      The people are largely mistaken.
      Aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine flies from Ukrainian airfields in the central and sometimes in the western part of Ukraine.
      As a jump point, it uses highways where a fuel tank and an ammunition car are waiting for them.
      No one flies from Polish airfields - check the range of the Su-24 and Su-25. Or MiG-29.
      What is the distance from the same Lask base to Donetsk?

      And yes, in terms of the Su-27 and Su-24, Ukraine still manages with those aircraft that it had on 23.02.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      Which were just cleverly hidden and are still in use.
      Others have nowhere to take - they have never been in Europe. And there are no weapons on the secondary market in the world either.
      Yes, and there is no such need.
    3. +1
      9 June 2023 08: 36
      Quote from Igor
      So to everyone who is counting on nuclear weapons as a way to solve all problems, I can say: this is a way to create such problems for the country that the SVO will seem like a "Zarnitsa" (there was such a war game organized for children).

      It is characteristic that in a year and a half the former second army of the world was blown away to its present level of North Korea - with a nuclear bomb and the bare, hmm, truth. The level of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is not exactly news for people who are interested, but this song sounds funny when performed by patriots.
      1. +1
        9 June 2023 09: 45
        But what parades were! In 2015, the T-14 Armata, T-15 Armata, Kurganets, Boomerang, Shell, and I don’t remember what else were shown for the first time. I stood on the Garden Ring and took pictures of everything. A huge plane flew overhead, I didn’t have time to take a picture: it flew right from behind the house opposite and naturally disappeared in seconds. At least Tu-22M, and even Tu-160. Then he took pictures of high-flying planes, helicopters, and why did this one fly so low? Mystery. The fact that this window dressing deceived me, crap with her, even thanks. But the fact that she deceived the military-political leadership of the country ... this led to a disaster.
      2. +2
        9 June 2023 21: 23
        For a year and a half, the RF Armed Forces took a huge territory from Ukraine. Similar to another European state. Without any nuclear bomb.
        Tell me, "Negro", that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were taken from the Russian Federation with their help from all of NATO and other countries.
        I will be glad to listen. Is there ONE locality?
        If not, then the CBO is going according to plan and we will smoke you out of all your cracks. Let it go slowly, but go.
        We will pick you out in Warsaw and Berlin.
    4. 0
      9 June 2023 21: 11
      OK, Brussels and Amsterdam will burn. Drop a bomb on Peter? Here it is not.
      Because then there will be no trace of Washington and other things.
      Then what?
      And in general - for some reason you think that millions of victims will stop us. Not at all.
  30. -3
    8 June 2023 16: 40
    For reconnaissance from 20 km, guided balloons must be used. You can buy from the Chinese if you are too lazy to do it.
  31. -4
    8 June 2023 18: 32
    Quote: haron
    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
    I am a supporter of the TNW strike.

    Are you aware that the use of even a single TNW charge by Russia against Ukraine will lead to an immediate strike of TNW against the Russian Federation by the EEC, China and the USA?

    No one will start a nuclear war because of Ukraine, and the destruction of Mankind is stupidity. And China, inflicting nuclear strikes on Russia - how could this nonsense even come to your mind ????????
    But the radioactive clouds from tactical nuclear weapons will most likely be carried by the wind to the east, that is, to the territories of Novorossia that we are liberating, and possibly further, to the south of Russia. What the US and Europe will only be happy about.
  32. 0
    8 June 2023 19: 45
    The applicability of Article 5 is not for us to decide.
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  35. 0
    9 June 2023 10: 22
    What the author writes is obvious. Intelligence, target designation, undercover work - without this, nowhere. But all this must be applied, but how, if they were not prepared for this. Amusing troops do not defeat the enemy, they are for reviews and parades. So you have to fight according to the situation, who goes where. It is especially annoying that all the ways of supplying NATO equipment and power supplies are known, without which the 404th end, and there is almost no activity along them. Bridges / tunnels that, have forgotten how to destroy?! Hardly. Yes, it's not that difficult. Probably, there is no team ... And our guys are dying, and the civilian gets to the fullest.
  36. -2
    9 June 2023 11: 04
    Quote: bk316
    the declared task of denazification is not being solved by military means at all.

    The task of demilitarization and ensuring the safety of the inhabitants of Donbass is quite solvable.
    Will it be a win?

    In fact, our president outlined his goals. achieving them will be a victory.
    True, everyone has already forgotten about these goals, and the task of ensuring the security of the inhabitants of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions is possible only with a military defeat of the enemy and real demlitarization when the enemy does not have armed forces. This goal can only be achieved by occupying enemy territory.
    Therefore, yes, victory is impossible in the form in which our goals were designated without a significant increase in the strength of the means of the Russian armed forces
  37. +3
    9 June 2023 11: 10
    It can be assumed that the elements of the complex that allow it to be used precisely as an air defense system - radar stations (radar) for detection, as well as tracking and guidance radars, were destroyed, and since without them it will not be possible to use the S-200 air defense system against aircraft, then the remaining launchers (PU) and warehouses of anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) of the S-200 complex simply "scored". And the Armed Forces of Ukraine took and used missiles from the S-200 air defense system

    Damn, I don't even know how to comment on this. what I already have several warnings for criticizing frankly nonsense written by some authors. wassat
    With regard to this particular case, it would not be superfluous for the author to study the composition of the S-200VM air defense system that Ukraine had at its disposal and the principles of guidance of the 5V28 missile system.
  38. +1
    9 June 2023 12: 10
    What to create, what to build? Most of the revenue from the sale of Russian resources ends up in the offshore accounts of the capitalists from the 90s - that is, the oligarchy... In the USSR, these flows went to social services, the Army and the economy.. and even the socialist camp got some. Now it only goes to the owners of yachts, real estate and their serfs.. There is no money for the rest and WILL NOT BE. The story with Kalashoid is a clear example..
  39. 0
    9 June 2023 14: 14
    Quote from osp
    Others have nowhere to take - they have never been in Europe. And there are no weapons on the secondary market in the world either.
    Yes, and there is no such need.


    Were. Both in Europe and in non-European countries.
    And the need was and is. Otherwise, airplanes around the world would not be begging.
  40. +2
    9 June 2023 16: 49
    another water .. blah blah blah. it is necessary. and WHO WILL DO THIS? the next one drank a budget that had no design bureaus, no production facilities, no capacities. why did Rosatom gather spare parts for foreign airliners to rivet there?)) on what and with what))) )) So, where not to "spit" . Fucking optimizers. Is there at least one STATE production or design bureau? No. not a single one. all OOO CJSC PAO JSC
  41. -1
    17 June 2023 13: 05
    Quote: Author
    The RF Armed Forces need a qualitative and quantitative strengthening of reconnaissance capabilities. ... It is necessary to create high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs, and also ... it is necessary to study in depth the possible actions of the enemy ... It is necessary to create centers for processing large data arrays.

    So who argues, we know it's necessary.
    Only here to whom, and most importantly - how.
    The Kremlin camarilla, in my opinion, didn’t fucking rest, this is evidenced by the destroyed machine tool industry, stunted electronics and tens of thousands of extinct settlements (according to Rosstat).
    Some kind of imitation of activities began only when their own well-being was threatened, here I want to be happy for the "partners", who made it clear that the food base is only for them - there are no places for the nouveaux riches from the 90s.