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How Hitler wanted to exile all Czechs to Patagonia

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A long time ago, the author of these lines read that Adolf Hitler, driven by the desire to free up more living space for the Germans-Aryans who are so beloved by him, wanted to resettle the Czechs in Latin America. Specifically - in Patagonia. Which the author then was associated only with information from the novel by Jules Verne "Children of Captain Grant." Climate and life in distant Patagonia in general were classic adventurous literature presented in harsh tones, and the author therefore regretted in absentia the poor Czechs, who, apparently, only miraculously managed to escape this unenviable fate.

However, settling in the Czech Republic and trying to find out the details of this stories, the author is faced with a complete lack of intelligible data. But it turned out something completely different. It turns out that there is a serious suspicion that Jan Antonín Baяa, one of the representatives of the famous Czech shoe kings dynasty, the brother of its founder Tomáš Baатиa Sr. (1876 – 1932), was seriously nurturing plans for such a “deportation”.
Nazi shadow

After the tragic death of his brother in a plane crash, Jan Antonin headed a huge company. The times were hard: the economic crisis, the Munich conspiracy in 1938, the occupation of the Czech Republic in 1939 ... The businessman did his best to preserve the viability of the enterprise. Perhaps the Nazis hooked him up on this hook by arresting Batyu in the town of Mariánské Lázně. The shoe magnate was released on the condition that he meet in Berlin with Hermann Goering. Reichsmarshal tried to convince Batu of the need for the cooperation of his company with Germany. After this meeting, the "oligarch" decided to go away from sin, to the USA. At the factories “Batya” in Zlín a German manager appeared. The company supplied the Wehrmacht with the war not only with military footwear, but also with spare parts for submarines, V-1 and V-2 missiles. In the summer of 1939, the United States seal accused a Czech businessman of sympathizing with Nazism. The Allies blacklisted his collaborators with the enemy and did not extend the US visa. Dad moved to Brazil.

No one knows for certain exactly what Yan Antonin was talking about with Goering and other Nazi bosses in 1939 year. What later gave rise to speculation, both in terms of sympathy for the tycoon with regard to Hitler's gang, and in connection with the notorious relocation to Patagonia. The question should be considered in a historical context: when the head of the shoe corporation in 1939 in Germany was inclined to cooperate, the Second World War also did not start, and no one knew how this whole story would end. There was a powerful Germany and a small Czech Republic, betrayed by the Western powers and conquered by the Germans. Quite possibly, Goering really hinted at Bate: soon there would be little space on a small central European “glade”. On the map of the world there is a mass of uninhabited regions. No need to wait until the thunder clap, the fathers of the Czech nation need to be baptized right now.

Political ambitions

Jan Antonin Batya may have been flattered by this approach. He considered himself one of the pillars of Czech society. And even "climbed into politics." In the second half of the 30, for example, the Czechoslovak President Benes was bombarded with projects to improve the road and rail networks in the country and revitalize the industry. When his advice was coldly rejected, Batya became very critical about the head of state. They clearly did not get along. Once, at a meeting in London, a huge Daddy slapped little Benes on the shoulder: “Man, together we can do a lot!”. The president was offended and Bate said that he should “look after the shoes better”. In the fall 1938 of the year, after the Germans captured the Sudetenland, the resignation and emigration of Benes, Batya seriously thought about taking the vacant presidency.

But the shoe magnate was not a politician, but a practitioner. For selfish capitalist considerations, his plans did not include the future war leaving in place of the Czech Republic the ashes and the mountain of corpses. Here lived his skillful workers and his loyal customers; for the sake of preserving this priceless market for every business, it was ready for anything. Perhaps even the creation of a working "plan-plan" for ... the relocation of the Czechs and Slovaks to South America in order "not to crowd in Europe."

Criminal case

Since this story in the Czech apocryphal heritage is overgrown with so many conjectures, the author will try to stick to the facts only. And they are. 12 December 1946 of the year Czechoslovak law enforcement authorities opened a criminal case against Jan Bati. He was accused, for example, of “an attempt to forcefully change the Constitution of the Czechoslovak Republic”. The investigation thus had in mind precisely his “plan for the resettlement of the Czech people to Patagonia”.

This part of the indictment was based on a single letter, which Jan Batya allegedly sent to his secretary, Dr. Jiří Udřalu, during a business trip to Chile in 1941. In the letter, the businessman spoke about the "magnificent" plan for moving Czechoslovakians to the regions stretching between Chile and Argentina. Secretary Urdzal, apparently, the bug was still that; he painstakingly saved up dirt on his boss. The next two years, when the scales of the second world hesitated, and it was unclear who would prevail in the war, Udržal kept the master's message in secret. But then, after Stalingrad and El Alamein, it became, in principle, clear that the Nazi veins were cut. And the secretary wrote to the son of the founder of the shoe empire, Tomasz Bata Jr., who lived in Canada, a letter dated 19 on April 1943. Where is all about the "insidious deporter uncle" told. The letter said that “the secret folder of Jan Antonin contained a map with the territory set aside for the future of the Czechoslovak state (in Patagonia - Auth.)”. Udržal wrote: “There was a replica in the text:“ I agreed with the leaders of the German people that they would support the resettlement plan. ”This seriously shaken my trust in Jan Antonin Bata.”

Manuscripts do not burn

The plan, which, according to the secretary, contained 27 pages, “for history” was rewritten by his wife Adela Udzhalova. The original was allegedly returned to Bata when he returned in the summer of 1941 from Chile. The project consisted of two parts - a draft of propaganda lectures and descriptions of the economic use of Patagonia. Although Batya was not 100% sure of the victory of Germany, but with her participation in the enterprise he was certainly considered first of all. Therefore, the main place in the plan was assigned to the idea of ​​Berlin.

“Goering told me that we live in a German courtyard, we must give ourselves an account of this and act accordingly, allegedly stated in the text of the Batev memorandum. - Of course, in this maxim there is a lot of truth. We live in the German environment, even if we are talking about the newly Germanized Slavs, Silesians and Serbs ... But it is also clear that ... the Czechoslovak nation survived and withstood the blows of all the Asian hordes, while serving Germany as a buffer from the east ... "

Dad hits the historical philosophizing: they say, it is the Czechs who are well aware of the "art of being a small people." It follows from this: the Czechs cannot be Germanized, “it’s about the people who will be hiding their fists (read: figs - Auth.) For decades and, finally, break the German Reich just like it destroyed Austria”. “Reflecting on all the possibilities,” writes Jan Batya, “I find only one solution. I am looking for a way out that would be in the interests of all and would not leave behind me a sea of ​​hot blood ... The solution I have in mind is the resettlement of the Czech and Slovak people to another continent. To a better environment, to better lands, to great opportunities for free national development. I am ready to personally suggest and ... organize the relocation of the nation. In case of victory, Hitler will not stop in front of any rights of the Czech people to exist .., therefore we must get ahead of events and find the best place on the globe and come ourselves with such a project so that we have the benefit, both moral and economic. . "

Speaking of other warring powers (the USSR, apparently, was still outside the war and was not taken into account, Aut.), Jan Batya says: if the British lose, they "will not have the opportunity to speak out on this." If it turns out otherwise, the British Empire will be able to benefit from the project: Czechoslovak Patagonia will become a tasty morsel, where Albion will be able to “get new territories, and the territories are very valuable, since they will be inhabited by a valuable people consisting of people developed culturally, technically and economically ". Czechoslovakians, in his opinion, would have nothing against the interim English administration, "considering it more likely a guard than a citizenship."

$ 20 billion, 30 years

The United States would have to participate in a grand "relocation". According to the businessman, the cause of the war in Europe is "overpopulation". He calculated: the conduct of hostilities (at that time - the help of the fighting Great Britain - Auth.) Costs America 36 billions of dollars; for the resettlement of the Czechoslovak people, you need to pay "only $ 20 billion." Dad, as a specialist in the national economy, recommends that the amount be divided among individual powers. Given the fact that Czechoslovakia will be able to participate in the project in the amount of 4 billion dollars. Relocation, according to Bati, can be done in 30 years.

What was Bata’s “Patagonian Empire” supposed to look like? The industrialist wanted to start production in the 25 industries at the first stage. The basis - of course, shoe business; it was planned to link to the raw material base, mines, wood processing and aircraft building plants, chemical, cement and paper factories, shipyards and railway companies. Total planned to create jobs for 340 thousands of people.

Raise Patagonian virgin soil

The transfer of Czech and Slovak colonists was, according to the plan of Bati, to take place in "waves". In the first, people released from concentration camps and landless peasants with their families would be moved. Behind them are workers, artisans and traders. Property could be sold. Practitioner Y. Batya gives a specific example: a hectare of arable land in the Czech Republic “flies” for 30 thousand crowns, and in Patagonia you can buy 5-10 hectares for this money. Such a prospect supposedly could well seduce the Czechs. Batya paints in detail the most fruitful regions of Patagonia: from the Pacific side - the valleys of the rivers Rio-Palen, Puelo, Velho; from the Atlantic side - the basins of Rio Hubut, Rio Negro, Rio Genoa and other rivers. According to the plan, “new Czechoslovakia” (or “Batyaland”) was supposed to receive approximately 2000 islands, for the most part rich in minerals. If we leave aside the geopolitical husk, then Yana Antonina, of course, was interested in the colonization of free space by people who would strive for life and work of the pioneers in difficult conditions.

15 years with confiscation

The Prosecutor's Office of the Czechoslovak Republic in 1947 made an indictment in the case of Jan Antonin Bati. Of course, the investigation failed to prove that his theses (even if they really were written by him - after all, no one but the spouses Udrzhalov could see the original) turned into something more serious than reflections on the "defeatist" theme.

In the verdict of the prosecutor's office, it was said that citizen Batya Ya. A. “in agreement with Hermann Goering in the 1939 year, went to the USA; from there, supplying raw materials to the occupied countries or directly to Germany, as well as by other means, brought the enemy considerable benefits, “dissuaded workers from joining the Czechoslovak army,“ harmed the Czechoslovak defense might and allies, ”“ condemned the victims of internal resistance, endorsed the actions of the invaders and their minions; being a famous industrialist, he refused to join the resistance. " The accusation was not very convincing, but the then justice, in which the communists set the tone, was guided primarily by political considerations. The court sentenced Batu in absentia to imprisonment of a special regime for 15 years; his property was subject to confiscation. The conviction of Jan Bati was very opportune: the largest Czech company, Batja, on the basis of presidential decrees, was already confiscated earlier. The verdict legitimized this dubious legal act.

Rehabilitation - posthumously

The rest of the days Jan Antonin lived in Brazil, where he founded four towns (for example, Batagaussu and Bataipora) and was engaged in the same shoe production. He died in the 1965 year, at the age of 67 years. He had 5 children. Three daughters - Lyudmila, Edita and Maria - arrived in October 1991, home, in order to achieve the rehabilitation of the father. Czech courts 16 for years rejected their complaints. Only 60 years after the conviction of Jan Antonin, in November 2007, the Prague City Court took into account the evidence that the convict during the war turned out to have financed the London government in exile with millions of dollars and helped the Jewish families to escape from the 300 protectorate. The name of the manufacturer has been cleared; the court found that he was not a collaborator. The cold water of history shifted its strata over its "Patagonian fantasies."
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  1. bask
    bask 15 December 2012 09: 52
    +6
    The Czechs, although Slovenes. But they were always against the Russians together with the Poles. And until 1943 at military factories. The Czechs' labor productivity was 1.5% higher than that of the Germans. Well ,,, the Slav brothers, worked for the Nazis. And some serious resistance to the occupiers, nat ... did not.
    1. 22rus
      22rus 15 December 2012 11: 28
      0
      Quote: bask
      The Czechs, although Slovenes, have always been against Russia along with the Poles.

      And why should they be for Russia? They were not for the USSR and not for Germany, and even more so for some Slavs there. And on their own. They did not need this war tries. Therefore, they survived in this situation as best they could. As a result, the country emerged from a steep European batch with relatively small losses, both among its soldiers and among the civilian population.
      1. alexng
        alexng 15 December 2012 12: 12
        +2
        Quote: 22rus
        And why should they be for Russia? They were not for the USSR and not for Germany, and even more so for some Slavs there.


        And the Czechs have always "crap" on everyone and everything, and therefore they are always under someone (romance), which cannot be said about the Slovaks. So this is a moot point. Although the main industry was mainly in the territory of today's Slovakia.
        1. 22rus
          22rus 15 December 2012 14: 44
          0
          Quote: alexneg
          And the Czechs have always "crap" on everyone and everything, and therefore they are always under someone (romance), which cannot be said about the Slovaks.

          These are just the Slovaks who fought for the Germans and ours.
      2. Bykov.
        Bykov. 15 December 2012 13: 28
        +2
        Quote: 22rus
        This war tries was not needed. Therefore, they survived in this situation as best they could.

        And who needed it? Us, or what?
        And it is not worth mentioning to the Czechs as an "asset" that they have saved their soldiers and civilians. They saved their own, but what about those who were killed from the weapons made by the Czechs?
        1. 22rus
          22rus 15 December 2012 14: 48
          0
          Quote: Bulls.
          And who needed it? Us, or what?

          We (the people) - no. The ruling elite - yes. True, they as always did not think that so it will turn out.

          Quote: Bulls.
          what to do with which of the weapons made by the Czechs were killed?

          You really care who and why they are killing somewhere in Africa or the Middle East from a Kalashnikov assault rifle?
          1. Bykov.
            Bykov. 15 December 2012 17: 19
            +3
            Quote: 22rus
            Do you really care who and why they are killing somewhere in Africa or the Middle East from a Kalashnikov assault rifle?

            In general, in that the Czechs during the war, working for Germany, made weapons from which Soviet soldiers were killed, you personally do not see anything reprehensible for yourself? So what?
            And with all this, the Czechs, in your opinion, have every moral right to hate Russia? Did I understand you correctly?
        2. haron
          haron 16 December 2012 12: 26
          -4
          Quote: Bulls.
          But what about those who were killed from the weapons made by the Czechs?

          In the service of the Wehrmacht was ZIS-3 and f-22 (especially beloved), 45, a-19, PTRS ... how to deal with those who made this weapon, or may think about how it fell into the hands of the Wehrmacht and then blame the manufacturer.
          1. Bykov.
            Bykov. 16 December 2012 14: 06
            +2
            Quote: haron
            In the service of the Wehrmacht was ZIS-3 and f-22 (especially beloved), 45, a-19, PTRS ... how to deal with those who made this weapon, or may think about how it fell into the hands of the Wehrmacht and then blame the manufacturer.

            TROPHIES mined in battle are one thing, and the other is TARGETED and SPECIALLY PRODUCED for them in the Czech Republic.
            Do you understand the difference, in general?
      3. Baboon
        Baboon 15 December 2012 13: 41
        +5
        And the Czechs always surrendered to everyone, and let them rejoice that the USSR had won, Hitler, certainly the territory of the Czech Republic, would have cleared the Czechs themselves.
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 15 December 2012 16: 17
      +10
      Quote: bask
      The Czechs, although Slovenes, were always with the Poles against Russia, and until 1943 at military factories

      CZECH MILITARY FACTORIES WORKED ON VERMAHT BEFORE THE WORLD SECOND AND UNTIL MAY 5, 1945.
      "Already during the Polish campaign, the Wehrmacht used a whole tank HULL, equipped with the latest Czech LT-38 tanks. In 1939, the Wehrmacht received from the Czech army:" In total, the Germans took 254 mountain 75-mm guns, 241 80-mm field guns, 261 150- mm howitzer, 10 152-mm guns, 23 305-mm mortars and more than two thousand anti-tank guns 37-mm and 47-mm. Of course, the Germans gladly replenished their arsenals with excellent Czech machine guns - fifty thousand light ZB-26 and twelve thousands of easel ZB-53, fortunately, these machine guns (like the Czechoslovakian Mauser rifles) were created for the German 7.92-mm cartridge. "
      With the arrival of the Germans, the Skoda plant in Mlada Boleslav also took up action, until 1939, producing cars and barely making ends meet ... The plant's program included a car designed to operate in the conditions of the Russian cold climate and off-road. It was an artillery tractor with all leading and rear steered steel wheels with a diameter of 1,5 m with high metal lugs. Until May 1944, they were collected 206 copies. At Skoda's factories, 5 thousand Hkl6 half-track conveyors (Sd.Kfz.11) were also assembled, DB10 tanks and tractors were manufactured under the S10 index. According to the Center for Military Economics of Germany, only on March 31, 1944, the Fuhrer from the workshops of 857 plants of the formerly joined Czech Republic received almost 13 billion 866 million brands of weapons and equipment. "The factories of the CKD (which became the VMM after the Protectorate became part of the Reich) in The years 1939-1942 produced LT-38 tanks in the amount of 1480 units. When this tank was hopelessly outdated, the plant’s specialists INITIATIVE ORDER took up its conversion to an anti-tank self-propelled guns. In total, in 1944 and 1945, 2584 Hetzer tank destroyers were released. In 1944, she MONTHLY shipped 30 rifles, 3 machine guns, and 625 artillery shells for Germany. The Skoda factories in Pilsen and the Mürz Zuschlag-Bohemia in Czech Lime were manufactured by the Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf.C and Sd.Kfz / 251-1 Ausf D armored personnel carriers, and the Avia factory in Prague-Cakowice was set up assembly fighter Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6 and Bf 109G-14. The hands of the Czechs collected a quarter of all tanks, 26 percent of trucks and 40 percent of small arms of the German army... http://govorilkin.livejournal.com/524582.html
    3. pakukr
      pakukr 15 December 2012 16: 57
      -2
      And Russian morons put up a monument to Czech punitive legionnaires in Chelyabinsk. It can be seen that these Czechs gave Kolchak to the Bolsheviks and stole part of Russia's gold reserves. Indeed, the Russians themselves will trash their history; they do not even need external enemies.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 15 December 2012 18: 42
        +4
        Quote: pakukr
        stole part of Russia's gold reserve

        "At the end of November 1918, the gold reserve of the Russian Empire was moved to Omsk under the protection of the Czechoslovak Corps and entered into the disposal of the Kolchak government. According to preliminary data, 657 million rubles in gold were seized in Kazan, however, only 651 million rubles were found during the rediscounting in Omsk. On this basis, some sources claim that the missing six million were stolen by the Czechs.
        “The Czechs took the gold reserve of Russia in Kazan and transferred it to the Bolsheviks in Irkutsk together with Kolchak at the end of their journey. For this gold and Kolchak they could leave peacefully through Vladivostok and return home. In addition to the missing six million after the journey of gold from Omsk to Irkutsk, another 4-5 million were not counted. According to one version, these 4-5 million were also seized by the Czechs. In support of this version, there is a letter from the future President Benes to the Legion command, in which he expresses interest in "the purchase of gold and other precious metals." Another reason for this version is that the legionnaires who returned to their homeland founded their own bank - Legiobank, which became one of the largest banks in Czechoslovakia. http://www.radio.cz/ru/rubrika/progulki/carya-ne-spasli-zoloto-ukrali
  2. Volkhov
    Volkhov 15 December 2012 09: 55
    +6
    Hitler was then building the Horst Wessel base in southern Chile, and he needed a vassal industrial area nearby for the future, it’s not the SS who will sew their own boots, so they invited the Czechs.
  3. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 15 December 2012 10: 00
    +5
    In during the Second World War, all Czech industry worked for Hitler at full speed.
    CZECH tanks, machine guns, shells - all this mass of weapons was directed against our fathers and grandfathers.
    In general, Czechs live on their own, and from time to time the neighbors have an irresistible desire to bite off a piece of the territory from them.
  4. Deniska999
    Deniska999 15 December 2012 10: 58
    +5
    Hitler wanted a lot. But the Czechs are traitors to the Slavs, nor were they for the Nazis.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 15 December 2012 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: Deniska999
      But the Czechs are traitors to the Slavs, nor were they for the Nazis.

      It is a pity that this unfortunate fact does not have the proper information "promotion".
      Unlike the events of the 68 year, you will see much of what happened, then, there in Prague, it would become clearer.
  5. taseka
    taseka 15 December 2012 11: 03
    +2
    Interestingly, such thoughts about resettlement and our "Gerings" are sometimes visited - like the idea of ​​giving the reserve officers apartments in Eastern Siberia - they say, we will increase the population and give up intelligence!
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 15 December 2012 11: 55
    +7
    Interesting article. Reset Czechs or not relocate, but the result is one
  7. vic011
    vic011 15 December 2012 12: 01
    +3
    And now their youth considers Hitler to be the savior, and Russian occupiers ...
    There is no gratitude, only claims. negative
    1. castle
      castle 15 December 2012 16: 09
      -4
      Not only our youth, but everyone else considers the Germans and the USSR after 1968 to be occupiers. The situation in Czechoslovakia in 1968 had to be decided, but not by tanks.
      1. haron
        haron 16 December 2012 12: 54
        -3
        Quote: hrad
        The situation in Czechoslovakia in 1968 had to be decided, but not by tanks.

        Well, how do you imagine that the population (people) would decide in what form the messiah would come to him. Already scary.
      2. Baboon
        Baboon 16 December 2012 22: 15
        +1
        I’ll honestly answer you (I put + if you don’t see any reason to put cons here), it’s always been like that with the Czech Republic — Germany came — all the Czech Republic is under Germany, the Austrians came — everything is under them, the USSR came under the USSR, and the united Europe is all under Europe. Let’s compare the Serbs with you, I personally don’t love them, and the Serbs loved Russia only when it was hard for them, but they lost 1/5 of the male population for the sake of Serbia! And the Czechs? surrendered immediately and okay!
  8. vladek64
    vladek64 15 December 2012 12: 31
    +3
    Interesting article. I didn't know this page of history at all. I only knew that the "Dad" shoes were cool. And here is such a project ... Comparable with the project of a tunnel from the Czech Republic to the Adriatic coast.
  9. tambourine 2012
    tambourine 2012 15 December 2012 12: 43
    +5
    It seems that only we are tearing up the anus for the Slavic brotherhood when we lived in the Czechs, then the Czechs spoke about the question. They said that you were Russian fools who fought with the German, but we are not here and almost no one died and there really are monuments to the victims of the Great Patriotic War 7 people died 9 people died. In general, everything is as always Vanka brings happiness to everyone only can not convey to himself
    1. castle
      castle 15 December 2012 16: 05
      -3
      Somehow I didn’t hear us say: "They say you are Russian fools fought with a German, but here we are not." You are delusional, uncle!
      Try to find in open sources how many Czechoslovakians fought against Hitler and how many of them died. Although you do not need such information for nothing. Would not suit your understanding of the world
      I watch the forum turns into a forum of Slavic chauvinists. Lord! And in Russia, blood has long been mixed. Now in Russia, Russian is the same 100 percent Slav as Goebels is a 100 percent Aryan. Take a look in the mirror! Maybe you will see for yourself that only Slavs remained only Slavs
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 17 December 2012 10: 15
        0
        Hrad "I'm looking at the forum turning into a forum of Slavic chauvinists. Gentlemen! And in Russia long ago the blood was mixed. Now in Russia, a Russian is the same 100 percent Slav, as Gebels is 100 percent Aryan. Look in the mirror! Maybe you will see for yourself that the only Slavs are only surnames remained "
        Maybe you're right about something. But in any case, we are far from you. Already your Czech Republic who just did not crawl.
    2. Nick
      Nick 15 December 2012 20: 41
      +1
      Quote: Tambourine 2012
      It seems that only we are tearing up the anus for the Slavic brotherhood when we lived in the Czechs, then the Czechs spoke about the question. They said that you are Russian fools who fought with a German, but we are not here and almost no one died

      Are you confusing something, the Czechs resisted Hitler, otherwise why would the Germans burn Czech towns and villages? Remember Lidice, I was there, all the buildings were destroyed, all the men too, women and children in a concentration camp, and the uprising in Prague in May 45 ...
      1. Baboon
        Baboon 17 December 2012 13: 22
        0
        Well, yes, and in 1938, for some reason, they did nothing when Germany did not have so many weapons, and I can’t imagine how Germany could have fought against the weak Czech army in 1938, but in 1945, of course, when everything is already clear It was possible to raise a rebellion.
  10. mr.poops
    mr.poops 15 December 2012 13: 52
    +4
    in my understanding, "Czechs" are almost "Germans" is another matter Slovaks, they really have something left of the Slavs ...
    1. Baboon
      Baboon 15 December 2012 13: 59
      +1
      Interestingly, but in the understanding of the Germans themselves, how? I don’t think they think so.
      1. Simple
        Simple 15 December 2012 15: 08
        +1
        Oh, that Eurora. Shared it shared ...
        The state of Tschecho-Slowakei was formed in 1918 during the collapse of the state of Österreich-Ungarns after the First World War.
        Accordingly, A. Hitler did not really reckon with the history of Tschecho-Slowakei.

        http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1800/de_index.html
        http://www.posselt-landkarten.de/index_ostgebiete.htm
        http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/koenigreich_preussen.htm
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 15 December 2012 20: 06
        +3
        I don’t know what the Germans think ... But, perhaps, they are already closer to us genetically than the Czechs today ... I venture to grab the minuses, but during the 3 years of occupation their soldiers did something ... And our GSVG did a lot .. In some of our cities there were more than Germans and Germans liked Russian soldiers ... In general, of the Slavs, only Belarusians, Serbs, Ukrainians, Montenegrins are close to us, and that’s probably all ..
  11. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 15 December 2012 14: 33
    0
    Czechs? and who are they? all their life they creep in front of any force, like the Serbs and see the powers that be, have we done papa right?)
    1. castle
      castle 15 December 2012 16: 05
      -2
      Reptiles, you say? However, the invaders do not last long.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 15 December 2012 20: 19
        +4
        I respect the Czechs. Conscientious hard workers and warriors are not bad ... For 68 years we have already apologized .. But, I think, there were a lot of people to blame for these events ... both ours and the Americans had a hand in it ... The struggle between two systems ... For the Czech Republic, forces will appear that will conduct propaganda for leaving the NATO bloc and the EU will allow them to do this ... Of course, today you are a "free country" in decision-making, you are independent, you do not serve anyone ... but who It will let you go ... Try and get 68 from a completely different absolutely "democratic" country ...
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 15 December 2012 23: 50
          +2
          The National Bank of Slovakia planned to celebrate the “1150th anniversary of the beginning of the mission of Saints Cyril and Methodius in Great Moravia” by issuing 2-euro coins depicting saints. However, representatives of the European Commission opposed their free circulation due to the fact that the coins “contradict the principle of religious neutrality” enshrined in the Charter of the European Union, Russian Germany writes about this.
          “Individual countries”, as follows from the statement, protested the design of Slovak coins because of the image of religious symbols. According to Martin Castler, Member of the European Parliament from Germany, France and Greece made such claims.
          The fact that the release of Slovak coins, planned for the first half of 2013, will face the confrontation of "individual countries", it became known last summer. In this regard, the National Bank of Slovakia adjusted the design of the coins, depriving saints Cyril and Methodius of the halo. However, as it turned out later, this did not at all satisfy the critics who demanded to remove the image of the double cross, which is part of the state coat of arms and one of the official symbols of Slovakia. It is curious that the double cross depicted on the Slovak kopecks did not cause any complaints before. According to some reports, the position of Greece in this matter is connected with the fact that the supposedly “Greek saints” are depicted with the “Slovak cross”.
          As a result, the National Bank of Slovakia, contrary to the position of the European Commission and “individual countries”, decided to mint coins with a halo and a double cross. “The Council of the Bank approved the initial draft design of the coins, despite the fact that the approval process may lead to the circulation of coins being limited,” the bank said in a statement.
          Telegraphist.RF believes that Slovakia’s fee for joining the European Union is to renounce not only sovereignty, but also national traditions. As practice shows, in order to maintain its roots, the state needs independence.
          1. haron
            haron 16 December 2012 13: 04
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            Quote: MstislavHrabr
            According to Martin Castler, Member of the European Parliament from Germany, France and Greece made such claims.

            Something incomprehensible is happening with this France. It is now like an icebreaker of multiculturalism in Europe. And as usual, butting with the Germans.
      2. Baboon
        Baboon 16 December 2012 22: 22
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        Here convince me that the invaders. The occupiers are usually repulsed, but there wasn’t such a thing from the Czech Republic, so not the invaders, but forced allies. And the Czechs. to my mind. do not care for whom to work!
  12. sapulid
    sapulid 15 December 2012 15: 14
    +4
    Let's start with the Gold Reserve of the Russian Empire, the stale Czechoslovak Corps? Can we start with the Empire of Charlemagne?

    Damn, how many times to repeat that we have no "brothers" anywhere. We have only our own interests with the corresponding temporary allies.

    Then there are less empty hopes and insults.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 15 December 2012 20: 29
      +4
      Quote: sapulid
      We only have our own interests with the corresponding temporary allies.

      Then there are less empty hopes and insults.


      In short, both in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, the cause of the known events was the desire of the USSR to deploy nuclear weapons in the territory of these countries in response to the deployment of the NATO nuclear weapons. It is known that in 1960 the United States began to deploy nuclear missiles in Europe and Asia - 60 Tor missiles in the UK , 30 Jupiter missiles in Italy and 15 Jupiter missiles in Turkey. In response, the USSR decided to deploy its nuclear missiles (40 launchers for SS-4 and SS-5 plus 162 atomic bombs for Il-28 bombers) in Cuba. As a result, the Caribbean crisis put the world on the brink of nuclear war.
      And Hungary and Czechoslovakia were ideally suited for these purposes, but the Soviets did not have their troops on the territory of Czechoslovakia at that time, so they needed an excuse for them to appear there, the West naturally tried in every possible way to prevent this, including by generating "orange revolutions" in its At that time, if it were not for the need for TNW, no troops would have been introduced there, all these revolutions would have been suppressed without the help of Soviet troops.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 15 December 2012 20: 32
        +1
        Doubtful version, to be honest ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 16 December 2012 10: 34
          +2
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          Doubtful version, to be honest ...


          It was in order to fulfill the terms of the nuclear weapons non-proliferation treaty and deploy our nuclear weapons in the territory of the Czech Republic in response to the deployment of the United States nuclear weapons in Western Europe to restore parity and troops were introduced because proliferation of yao called its transfer to third countries and its deployment in the country where there are troops of the USSR and under their command not a distribution and since the USSR was the only country in the country where there were no USSR troops, it was precisely to fulfill the conditions of the treaty that the USA and the USSR were jealously watching and the troops of the air forces were introduced, including the contingent of the USSR, and it was obviously for this option of restoring parity agree President of the United States Johnson in his talks with Secretary General Brezhnev
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 15 December 2012 23: 59
        -3
        Quote: Ascetic
        in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, the cause of the known events was the desire of the USSR to deploy nuclear weapons in the territory of these countries

        In 56 atomic bombs were simply not enough, rockets Р1 and Р2 did not fly far, for Р5 there was only a "dirty" BG, why place there?
        And the Nazi agents in Hungary, the emergency was full, the Nazis created Cuba altogether, that’s what they followed Hitler’s directive to push the Allies, because only this allowed the Reich to leave the underground.
        The KGB is strongly against the collective farmers, and against the Germans it plays a giveaway or is simply subordinate since the time of Beria.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 16 December 2012 11: 04
          +1
          In 1966 in Czechoslovakia, three nuclear weapons storage facilities were built in Bilin, Vrh Bele and
          Mishov-Borovno. The vaults were serviced by units of the 12th GU of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Control
          for their use by Czechoslovakia was carried out by a representative of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic under Glav-
          Mr. Command of the Warsaw Pact countries. In addition to nuclear warheads, tactical
          of tactical and operational-tactical missiles (TR and OTR) there were also 152-mm shells in the nuclei
          Mr. performance and aviation ammunition. Some of them also had nuclear warheads,
          which should have been transmitted in the event of hostilities in the combat
          the application of the allies of the Warsaw Pact. The vaults were freed during
          the first stage of the withdrawal of troops and transferred to the Czech representatives on July 1, 1990.
          In June 1968, the long-discussed Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty was signed, according to which these storage facilities and ammunition could not be used by the Czechoslovak army (as a third party under the Treaty). Hence the need for the deployment of Soviet troops in the territory of Czechoslovakia, which was so opposed by its leadership.
    2. Nick
      Nick 15 December 2012 20: 46
      +1
      Quote: sapulid
      Damn, how many times to repeat that we have no "brothers" anywhere. We have only our own interests with the corresponding temporary allies.

      Well, you directly Churchill, he also said that England has no permanent allies, England has only her interests. Something like this...
  13. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 15 December 2012 15: 20
    +1
    Quote: sapulid
    Damn, how many times to repeat that we have no "brothers" anywhere. We have only our own interests with the corresponding temporary allies.


    I agree completely, it's time to write a book like "Russian brothers and how they prick them")
  14. RoTTor
    RoTTor 15 December 2012 23: 48
    0
    The remarkable Czech shoe factory CEBO, whose shoes were loved and appreciated in the USSR and in all CMEA countries, is the nationalized and renamed BATYA factory. The shoe king Dad himself, as luminaries and veterans of the shoe industry told me, kept a special worker who wore shoes for him. Although, as for me, the CEBO shoes were always just right for me.
  15. mamba
    mamba 17 December 2012 12: 08
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    It is quite possible that Goering really hinted to Bate: soon there will be not enough space in a small Central European "clearing". On the map of the world there are many uninhabited regions. No need to wait until the thunder breaks out, the fathers of the Czech nation need to be baptized right now.
    Kind of weird. Before the start of the 2nd World War, Goering hints that the Czechs are not needed by the Reich. Like, get out of here before it's too late. This "philanthropy" leaped in him? But what about German practicality? Who will "forge victory" for the Reich?
    In the event of victory, Hitler will not stop at any Czech people's right to exist .. therefore we must get ahead of events and find the best place on the globe and come up with such a project on our own so that we have both moral and economic benefits.
    The Czechs still had no illusions about the future of the “goose that lays the golden eggs”. But it is stupid to miss the benefit. Bottom line: we will make money on the fascists, and then we will dump. And if we do not have time to jump off, and even the Russians will win, then they will not offend us, but we will lie under them.
    We live in a German environment, even if we are talking about the recently Germanized Slavs, Silesians and Serbs ... But it is also clear that ... the Czechoslovak nation survived and withstood the blows of all Asian hordes, while serving Germany as a buffer from the east ...
    The main thing here is not even that Russia falls into the category of Asian departments, but the words "serving Germany as a buffer from the east"! But the classic of Czechoslovakian politics at that time was playing on the contradictions between the great powers as long as they allowed it. But for Czechoslovakia it always ended with another spreading legs, relaxing and having fun.