Military Review

The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 06 December 2012

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Americans discovered chemical deposits in Syria weapons and urgently rush them to develop with missiles and bombs. That's it today opened. Although it was known about them for a long time. In general, from the Middle East it seems that kerosene is extinguished with dynamite.

This week, Washington began to loudly warn the Syrian authorities against the use of suddenly discovered chemical and biological weapons against their own people and publicly discuss the possibility of conducting military operations to destroy them. At the same time, it announced the granting to Turkey of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems, ostensibly to defend against a possible Syrian attack. The due degree of the campaign was given by Secretary of State Clinton: "Suffice to say that we, of course, are planning the possibility of a share if any chance happens."

This is all as specifically reminiscent of poor Powell with his famous test tube. After which there was Iraq. However, Mrs. Clinton leaves herself. And, probably, along with its Syrian test tube.

Obama, as you know, is an ardent critic of Bush’s policies. And why does his administration literally quote the backs of this very Bush rhetoric? There is reason to believe that this is a powerful cover operation. Just to divert and neutralize the adherents of such a policy. Because, if you look not at what is being said, but at what is being done, the picture is somewhat different.

Americans routinely demonstrate solidarity with Israel in words and in a vote at the UN. At the same time, the so-called "eight-day war" between Israel and the Palestinian Hamas in Gaza ended not with an impressive Israeli ground operation, but with a peace agreement with a partial lifting of the blockade of Gaza. The agreement reached through the mediation of the new Islamist president of Egypt, Mursi, is perceived in the Islamic world as the defeat of the Israeli hawks and the victory of Hamas.

It was the Americans who allowed Mursi to become a mediator. And they forced Israel to abandon the military operation. That is, they made Mursi the savior of Gaza. And it was this political victory that allowed Mursi to declare the constitutional amendments, making him the sovereign ruler of Egypt. There is reason to believe that crowds of the notorious "liberals" in the streets of Cairo are marking time in vain. Since their only patrons are Americans, they have already made their choice. More precisely, Obama made it.

Thierry Maysan, a French orientalist and conspiracy theorist, believes that within the American political establishment, a struggle is unfolding between the “globalists” and Obama's realists, who intend to reduce the American presence throughout the world in order to focus on the real threats to America. Immediately after the announcement of the election victory, Obama began to purge the security forces. CIA Director David Petraeus, NATO Commander in Europe Stavridis, and his successor, John Allen, were fired. Next: the head of the African Command, William Ward, and his successor, General Carter Ham. Moreover, each time the dismissal took place against the background of a scandal exposing either the dirty details of his personal life, or waste and conflicts of interest.

It is rather difficult to believe in the simultaneous moral decline in the American establishment. Another thing is that all these people are somehow connected with the implementation of the former American foreign policy.

“As for the State Department,” writes Meisan, “Senator John Kerry, a supporter of the new Obama course, is being punished to the place of outgoing Mrs. Clinton.” And he leads a photo in which the Kerry couple dines at a restaurant in Damascus with the Asad couple.

The Syrian crisis and the American participation in it on the side of Sunni Islamists is a product of the titanic struggle against Iran, which is becoming increasingly inadequate and useless. So far, the only US-Iranian joint venture is the Palestinian Hamas. But secret negotiations with Tehran are already underway.

According to Obama's national security adviser Tomas Donilon, the US needs to focus on new centers of global influence in Asia, instead of looping over hot spots and failed states in the Middle East.

We said that the Americans, in any case Obama, would be ready to negotiate with opponents to freeze local conflicts. And that means global change in the world.

It resembles a huge ship, populated by mixed teams gnawing with each other. And now the captain of this vessel, who suddenly saw the light, is trying to turn around among the hummocks and icebergs of the world crisis. One wrong move - and you are the Titanic.
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  1. alexng
    alexng 7 December 2012 09: 50
    +13
    One wrong move and you are the Titanic.


    And in any case, the United States is already "Titanic". Bobik is dead (or rather, the elephant was blown away), but still does not know about it.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 10: 13
      +12
      Quote: alexneg
      Bobby died (more precisely, the elephant was blown away), but he still has no idea about it.

      Yes, the fact of the matter is that the United States understands AMBA. Their land goes under their feet and the economy is saved only in a warrior, as it already was.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 7 December 2012 11: 02
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, the fact of the matter is that the United States understands AMBA. Their land leaves under their feet and saving the economy only in a warrior

        And it is desirable for them to be in the world. They have long been dreaming about it, "openly".
        1. Manager
          Manager 7 December 2012 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: Bulls.
          And it is desirable for them to be in the world. They have long been dreaming about it, "openly".


          They don’t need the world in FIG. This is fraught for them. But to tear apart the East in pieces, this is what you need.
          1. Bykov.
            Bykov. 8 December 2012 10: 14
            0
            Quote: Manager
            They don’t need the world in FIG. This is fraught for them.

            Yes, what is it, is it "fraught" for them? The First and Second World War was not, and this suddenly, once and will be?
            20's and 30's in America Great Depression, a country in crisis, which helped her get out, orders from belligerent Europe. Billions of "bucks" were poured by the AHL countries into the US economy, and after the end of the war, almost the whole world went to them, which they "use" while still "use".
      2. donchepano
        donchepano 7 December 2012 11: 05
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Yes, the fact of the matter is that the United States understands AMBA. Their land goes under their feet and the economy is saved only in a warrior, as it already was.



        Absolutely agree with you.
        An armed bandit, which is the United States, who owes huge amounts of money, can "forgive" or zero his debts only once again by arranging a big world robbery. Who will remember the debts after that?
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 31
          +1
          Quote: donchepano
          Absolutely agree with you. An armed bandit who is the United States who owes a lot of money can "forgive" or zero his debts only once again by staging a big world robbery. Who will remember the debts after that?

          The situation is somewhat different. Just zeroing out your US debts will not solve your problems. Problems in the trade deficit, hence in many respects the growth of debt. If the US stupidly devalues ​​its debts, then they simply cease to trust them. The dollar will disappear as a payment instrument and the US will not be able to purchase even Chinese consumer goods.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 7 December 2012 12: 00
            +4
            Quote: Gluxar_
            and the United States will not be able to purchase even Chinese consumer goods.

            They have frozen oil fields and other resources that they do not produce because their paper is in demand in the world.
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 29
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, the fact of the matter is that the United States understands AMBA. Their land goes under their feet and the economy is saved only in a warrior, as it already was.

        Not a single war has yet saved the economy of a warring country. USA needs war again somewhere with someone. Not his own war. If they are now attacking Iran alone, they will get the guts. They will burn their planes and sink their ships. Iran will also suffer tremendous damage, but it will not start the economy in any way. Now, if the entire Asia-Pacific region begins to fight with China and the United States supplies weapons to everyone who asks, then yes, it will pull their economy out of the abyss. But the likelihood of such an event is extremely low.

        What this article is talking about, namely, the change in the vector of Obama's policy is the second option of "saving America", designed to somehow delay the inevitable collapse, perhaps a war really starts somewhere ...
        The essence of this strategy is to slowly get out of the "dear regions of the world", leaving a situation of chaos there, so that new players break their hands. And the United States will deal with its internal problems. And even in the event of an economic collapse, they will be able to somehow deal with internal unrest and begin to recover. Everything goes to this. However, the United States does not want to leave the APR, and this negates the reduction of its presence in Europe and the Middle East. So most likely Obama will go down in history as a politician of "half measures", like saving, but not quite.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 7 December 2012 12: 01
          +2
          Quote: Gluxar_
          If they are now attacking Iran alone, they will get the guts.

          And who did they attack the last time alone, on Grenada?
        2. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 7 December 2012 14: 43
          0
          It is not necessary that China begin to fight the APR.
          Other scenarios are possible:
          -internal revolution and war in China.
          - China is fighting with Russia.
          -China is fighting with India
          -India is fighting with Pakistan
          -War between separate countries of the Asia-Pacific region
          ...
          For a long time to list - in short, any major war or many smaller ones are satisfied.
          Such already go in Syria in Libya (smoldering but can grow) in Afghanistan (Pakistan on the verge) in different countries of Africa ...
          Wherever possible, internal conflicts are carefully inflated and maintained.
          Numerous special services are actively working on all this in the United States.
          If there is no war somewhere else, it is only because either the "regimes" are still stable and the population is peaceful or the hands have not yet reached ...
      4. Vadivak
        Vadivak 7 December 2012 11: 58
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        saving the economy only in a warrior, as it already was.

        And to note chemical weapons to Syria, NATO countries did countries with a distant aim, so to speak
      5. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 December 2012 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, the fact of the matter is that the United States understands AMBA. Their land goes under their feet and the economy is saved only in a warrior, as it already was.

        And they are successfully moving towards her, I must say.
      6. Botanologist
        Botanologist 7 December 2012 15: 19
        +1
        Their land leaves under their feet and saving the economy only in a warrior

        Rather, what happens in our MO is that one group of elites (interested in reducing Asian markets) chopping up another group of elites (interested in maintaining their positions in the Middle East).
        In this situation, Obama understands that they have nothing to do in the BV, there are simply no serious players besides Iran, but he can be dealt with with the notorious "shale oil". And with Russia too. But in Asia there is another topic, there you need to provoke small wars, manage conflicts. Therefore, all forces go there.

        However, it’s better for Mr. Obama not to go to Dallas because of sin ...
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 7 December 2012 19: 10
          0
          There is something .., something.
          I will think, thanks.
          +
    2. botur2013
      botur2013 7 December 2012 10: 13
      +1
      And Russia will be an iceberg.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 7 December 2012 10: 59
        0
        Quote: botur2013

        And Russia will be an iceberg.

        They themselves are doing very well.
      2. Green
        Green 7 December 2012 11: 55
        -8
        No matter how Russia becomes "Kursk". The United States is at least fully self-sufficient in food, the United States is the largest technological power, and when they eat bread and butter, because there is not enough sausage for a fat piece, we will gnaw crackers here, because we do not provide ourselves with many food products. It is good that we have reached a positive balance in terms of grain. If America is Titanic, then we are not an iceberg, but that passenger on the lower deck. Russia has long been not an industrial power but a raw material appendage. Seven fat years have passed, instead of a new industrialization, we received a new destructiveness, and we squandered everything, missing the chance to build a large processing and industrial sector on top of our raw material base at the expense of high prices. As always, Piti Barge realized it five minutes before the kidneys began to fall off.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 7 December 2012 12: 04
          +2
          You have very outdated information .... go dig the Internet.
        2. bubla5
          bubla5 7 December 2012 16: 37
          -3
          You think correctly and our loot is also there, and the children of our or not our bureaucrats are already studying there, brainwashing, just minus you
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 8 December 2012 01: 19
          0
          Quote: Verde
          Seven fat years passed, instead of a new industrialization, we got a new crushing rate, and we all squandered and missed the chance, due to high prices, to build a large manufacturing and industrial sector on top of our raw material base.

          It is noted correctly, but not everything is so simple. America is not collapsing yet, and Russia is not bending. With the advent of new centers of power, maintaining the balance of the entire system becomes more difficult.
          Russia's food problem leads me to bewilderment, I still have to try to create it, in Russia, whatever the minister of agriculture is a genius.
          And why only seven fat years? In my opinion, as it began from 2000 until now, in 2008 it was rather weak for a couple of months, and speculators warmed up the situation, and then everything settled down.
    3. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 7 December 2012 11: 46
      -5
      Nastoko is unaware that he still possesses the strongest army in the world and the most powerful economy, by the way, he keeps his Russian stabilization fund in American banks in American currency, including
      I do not understand the meaning of the joyful cries of the imminent collapse of America and I consider them groundless. Probably if shouting about the imminent demise of America is not so insulting for bending Russia?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 December 2012 11: 54
        +7
        And I do not understand your joyful cries about bending Russia.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 7 December 2012 12: 53
          +2
          Brothers, what are you constantly jumping from the USA to Russia?
          To Whom Are They "Burning His Thigh" - America's Debts?
          Who needs a refund?
          With what fright America will collapse?
          ..
          Obama wants to reduce military presence in different regions. Well, wanting does not mean doing. But it raises its rating, they say America is moving to real views, okay, we won’t look at its debts, the guys thought better of it. This is one point.
          You see, the reduction of troops will really begin. Already saving. Again .. they say - and, the State Department took up the mind, well, and figley about debt taldychit? Will wait. The second such moment.
          And the most important thing - America that has become impoverished with its hands, brains? Silicon Valley - turned into Skolkovo, or what?
          Or is it all broken and rusted there? The people who can work are drunk?
          No. Everything is in place. People live in loaned houses, fooling around with unemployment and the need to pay. They live on social coupons .. and wait.
          They wait when they will be given WORK.
          Well Detroit is bent down, okay. But other? Waiting for working hands.
          ..
          I constantly say - capitalism .. such a madla that comes out of the water dry.
          It is important that they do not bother with any ideology, at least they bother only with one thing - to rob Russia.
          And so ... you want to be a fagot - be a fagot - yes please, by anyone ... just consume, consume, consume. And for this it is necessary - work-work-work. Or fight.
          There will be a need - they will collect all these queer homosexuals .. and will drown in Manhattan. And put .. with the appliance .. on the rest of the world. They say - it's time to return the true human values.
          ...
          They work for themselves, for the country.
          We are all trying ... an idea ... to bring something under.
          ..
          But there is only one idea - you work (you lead, etc.) badly - here is a loop or a bullet for you - choose it.
          He took away state funds abroad, purposelessly used it - here’s a month to return everything to you, and then choose - or 10 years on the Indigirka, or immediately a loop-bullet.
          And what is bad, and what is good, we decide. In chorus. And it’s not difficult.
          Here in Moscow the day before yesterday an official (some deputy for property) - shot. "The ice is broken, gentlemen .... the ice is broken ..
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 7 December 2012 13: 24
            0
            When we stop experimenting with modernization and management, then we will have a bright future.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 7 December 2012 20: 53
              -1
              We cannot do without coordinated changes in the political system (unless of course we want to live). But modern modernizers and perestroika clearly need to send to Kolyma, to develop the Soviet north!
          2. homosum20
            homosum20 7 December 2012 20: 04
            +1
            Yes, the fact of the matter is that they do not require debt repayment from America. Moreover, according to the current contracts, they are not obliged to return anything. These are "sterilized" debts.
            That is why they were made, are doing and will be doing.
          3. not good
            not good 7 December 2012 23: 08
            0
            Regarding work in the USA, Obama has already stuttered about the return of some part of production to home.
            And the fact that one official shot himself is not even an indicator, but a trend is needed lol In general, they told us that he shot himself, and he might have choked to death. And the fact that America is trying to find chemical weapons in Syria, like shitty, they were already looking for nuclear weapons in Iraq, as a result, Iraq is in the same place as its nuclear weapons. Maybe in case with Syria, Moscow say, yes there is a chemical weapon, but it’s our weapon, we put it, it’s not Nata to look for and touch. (joke)
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 December 2012 13: 30
          0
          The current state of the Russian economy causes grief and resentment in me. I do not feel any joy from this.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 December 2012 13: 29
        0
        Quote: S_mirnov
        By the way, the RF Stabilization Fund stores in American banks in the American currency, incl.

        Not in foreign currency, but in American bonds (treasury bonds). The reserve fund is 45% dollars, 45% euros, 10% pounds sterling. The state economy will collapse, the Russian economy will collapse, we only provide 30% of ourselves with food, gold reserves extremely small, about 9% of the total mass of gold and foreign exchange reserves. So the collapse of the US economy of Russia is not profitable.
        1. BRATISHKA
          BRATISHKA 7 December 2012 13: 34
          -6
          If America has a runny nose, for Russia it will turn into pneumonia
      3. homosum20
        homosum20 7 December 2012 20: 02
        0
        Quote:
        "By the way, the RF keeps its stabilization fund in American banks in American currency, including"
        By the way, not out of my will.
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 December 2012 22: 47
          -1
          Whose wishes do we fulfill? enlighten
    4. Che
      Che 7 December 2012 12: 48
      +1
      alexneg,
      Amers are preparing a massacre - Kranta civilization, Amer do not care. They must be punished by the whole world.
  2. nokki
    nokki 7 December 2012 09: 52
    +6
    We said that the Americans, in any case Obama, would be ready to negotiate with opponents to freeze local conflicts. And that means global change in the world.

    Kill me with a boomerang, but I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 7 December 2012 11: 06
      0
      And what else remains for them? The power is not the same. Either agree, or on the neck. The choice is small.
      In Afghanistan, and so, it seems that they are going to negotiate with the "moderate" Taliban. Where did they find such people? Need made and found them.
    2. Igarr
      Igarr 7 December 2012 19: 32
      0
      Learning to throw .. boomerang ...

      KILL ..
      ..
      questions .. answers ... NEED ????? to whom ???
  3. Blackscorp
    Blackscorp 7 December 2012 09: 53
    +5
    Article "+" As for the chemical. weapons, I will not be surprised that it will be used in Syria (but not by Assad ... and the very thing that disappeared in Libya and has not been found) ..... No one has canceled provocations yet ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: BlackScorp

      Article "+" As for the chemical. weapons, I will not be surprised that it will be used in Syria (but not by Assad ..... and the very thing that disappeared in Libya and was never found) ..... No one has canceled provocations yet.

      It is not even a matter of legalization; Assad really has it, and not a few, including bacteriological ones. During the invasion of Syria, if it is used ............... to predict the consequences is not possible, complete chaos, and counting the number of victims will turn into statistics.
      1. Splin
        Splin 7 December 2012 10: 38
        +1
        It was not in vain that Klinonyha reminded of Syria's chemical weapons stockpiles. Assad now has a hard time and such weapons of mass destruction can play the argument as "the last argument of kings." Anything can happen
      2. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 7 December 2012 11: 23
        +1
        I agree with you completely ..... but I'm afraid of this:

        http://warfiles.ru/show-19244-siriyskie-boeviki-poobeschali-primenit-himicheskoe
        -weapon.html

        this can begin, and then Assad will be blamed and rushed .....
      3. Green
        Green 7 December 2012 12: 02
        -3
        Most likely the sacrifices will not be so great. Do not exaggerate his power, he doesn’t have nuclear arsenals there, or even super-toxic developments of the times of the best years of the Cold War. But Assad does not have a bacteriological one. Bacteriological weapons in development (and they are not developed without a counteraction complex) are much more complicated than even nuclear ones. There, hunger and unsanitary conditions and epidemics will soon become natural weapons of mass destruction. The economy of Syria has already been almost completely undermined.
        1. Che
          Che 7 December 2012 14: 34
          0
          Green,
          To help our Syria with something similar, to level the bandits with the Natofascists.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 40
      +1
      Quote: BlackScorp
      Article "+" As for the chemical. weapons, I will not be surprised that it will be used in Syria (but not by Assad ... and the very thing that disappeared in Libya and has not been found) ..... No one has canceled provocations yet ...

      In fact, Assad could apply. Temboley now when such a group is surrounded in Dereya.
      1. Splin
        Splin 7 December 2012 12: 59
        +1
        Gluxar_,

        Tukhachevsky also poisoned the rebels with gas. Not a heroic step
  4. AK-47
    AK-47 7 December 2012 10: 12
    +1
    Immediately after the announcement of the election victory, Obama began a purge in law enforcement agencies ... Moreover, each time the dismissal occurred against the backdrop of a scandal that exposed either the dirty details of his personal life, or waste and conflicts of interest.

    Somehow, all this happens synchronously, maybe they conspired.
    1. Pit
      Pit 7 December 2012 10: 27
      0
      Quote: AK-47
      Somehow, all this happens synchronously, maybe they conspired.


      No, they realized along the way that they would not take out a large-scale war now. And most likely it will be just the calm before the storm.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Pit
        No, they realized along the way that they would not take out a large-scale war now. And most likely it will be just the calm before the storm.

        Most likely this calculation, but time plays against them.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 7 December 2012 15: 20
        0
        Large-scale war, as a savior, oh, how you need.
        Only this is not 1939, when Adolf Ivanovich "paravosed" for everything, different times now, different! soldier
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 December 2012 10: 13
    0
    The last sentence characterizes the situation in the best possible way. But it is not clear who will be in the role of the Titanic, but the candidates are known to everyone.
    1. Civil
      Civil 7 December 2012 10: 22
      +2
      News. The Minister of Defense write a report on significant defects of the model put into service in 2006

      Based on the results of the six-year operation of the Su-34 aircraft, the commission of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief and the Armament Department prepared a report addressed to the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, indicating that all the troops delivered to the Su-34 troops had significant defects that impeded their full combat use.

      As the military department told Izvestia, now the Air Force has 16 such vehicles and each has its own individual problems.

      - By the end of the year, the report will be sent to the Minister of Defense, and he must make a decision. In June of this year, the Ministry of Defense has already collected through the arbitration court from the Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Plant more than 80 million rubles of forfeit for undelivered cars. If Novosibirsk residents continue to work like this, then litigation will have to be repeated, ”the representative of the Ministry of Defense, who participated in the commission, explained to Izvestia.

      Su-34 raises complaints from crews, who are forced to deal with flaws every flight.

      - The main problems of the aircraft are the radar and sighting and navigation system. Constantly some kind of malfunctions, and often they happen during a training flight. You go on bombing or launches of unguided missiles, and your sighting equipment is sour. You turn around and go home, - the Su-34 pilot complained to Izvestia.

      According to him, the radar and sighting equipment fail not only due to software failures, but also as a result of technical malfunctions. In this case, you have to take the machine out of service, put it in for service in order to fix the problem. At the same time, the combat training program is disrupted.

      The new Su-34 also brings many problems to ground personnel.

      - In general, the Su-34 can hardly be called a serial machine. Each of the 16 sides has its own individual differences. For example, the electric motors of the auxiliary systems are placed either on one side of the side, then on the other, and judging by the technical documentation, they should generally be in third place, ”the Air Force ground-maintenance service officer told Izvestia.

      The factory assembly is also lame: poor soldering of contacts, some nodes are not fully fitted.

      - Two cars of the first series, which are located in the 2006th Combat Application Center in Lipetsk since 4, are considered the most problematic. Nothing works for them at all, and they are standing at the airport for beauty, ”an officer of the Air Force Commander-in-chief familiar with the situation told Izvestia.

      According to him, the last three sides are different for the better, last summer aimed at the Baltimore air base in Voronezh.

      The representative of the military-industrial complex, participating in the work on the Su-34, was surprised by the claims of the military. According to him, the start of mass production and the adoption of any aircraft is always accompanied by technical problems.

      - This is called “growth problems”, in the drawings and in the experimental form the machine was one, and in serial production there are problems. We have to make changes to the design, change the technology. The military must promptly inform about the problems, malfunctions, but now the Air Force technicians have a very low level of training. They just don’t understand how half of the systems work, how to program equipment correctly. Most radar and sighting system failures occur due to improper operation in the troops. Yes, and the level of training of pilots is as low, - said the representative of the defense industry.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 December 2012 10: 28
        +3
        Yeah, I just read it. But I don’t see anything wrong. The plane is new, non-rolled, they correctly said that manufacturers and the military should work more closely. Faster finish.
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          Yeah, I just read it. But I don’t see anything wrong. The plane is new, non-rolled, they correctly said that manufacturers and the military should work more closely. Faster finish.

          So the main thing is that such an unfinished rolled Georgia, what will it be when they finish it?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 7 December 2012 11: 55
            0
            Ah ... this is an interesting point. Somehow I didn’t even think. Of course, I didn’t roll it out — infantry, landing parties and tanks did it, but patted them well.
      2. BRATISHKA
        BRATISHKA 7 December 2012 10: 32
        -5
        I remember someone here uploaded about the curvature of the F-22 designers ... well, well :)
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 7 December 2012 10: 38
          +6
          And what is wrong? I uploaded about curvature on the example of developing a computer. It was necessary to screw up SO - to develop a device based on the old processor, put it on, and then find out that the production of this processor has been discontinued! Morons ... And they had to re-develop everything.
          And what is happening with us is called a regular revision. And if it climbs out in the process of exploitation and is being finalized with a minimum alteration, then amerkers will take huge grandmothers to do this. What was the only change in the pilot's life support system on all F-22!
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 49
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            What was the only change in the pilot's life support system on all F-22s!

            So the most important budget for this problem has been mastered, but not eliminated ...
          2. BRATISHKA
            BRATISHKA 7 December 2012 12: 35
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            Proca, put it, and then find out that the production of this processor is stopped! Morons.

            Is that you ... about this process? :) http://developer.intel.com/design/i960/INDEX.HTM seems to be all right with him

            Quote: Wedmak
            And if it climbs out in the process of exploitation and is being finalized with a minimum alteration, then amerkers will take huge grandmothers to do this.

            Based on the results of the six-year operation of the Su-34 aircraft, the commission of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief and the Armament Department prepared a report addressed to the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, indicating that all the troops placed in the Su-34 Significantdefects that impede their full combat use.

            Will you modify the file? Each machine has its own individual jambs, and it is not clear where these jambs will come up, with F-22 everything seems to be clear, well, the pilots suffered hypoxia, well, it’s clear that the matter is in oxygen supply, but there is no specifics, there is a jamb, there is a jamb to they need to be identified from scratch to consider the entire structure, and not sculpt whatever
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 7 December 2012 12: 48
              +2
              Is that you ... about this process? :) http://developer.intel.com/design/i960/INDEX.HTM seems to be all right with him

              No ... this is what the 486 processor was replaced with ... when Intel curtailed its production and refused to produce even in small batches.
              Based on the results of the six-year operation of the Su-34 aircraft, the commission of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief and the Armament Department prepared a report addressed to the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, indicating that all the troops delivered to the Su-34 troops had significant defects that impeded their full combat use.

              Will you modify the file? Each machine has its own individual jambs, and it is not clear where these jambs will come up, with F-22 everything seems to be clear, well, the pilots suffered hypoxia, well, it’s clear that the matter is in oxygen supply, but there is no specifics, there is a jamb, there is a jamb to they need to be identified from scratch to consider the entire structure, and not sculpt whatever

              You know, in the light of the latest news that the Izvestiya disinform agency wrote, the news about significant defects seems exaggerated.
              Interviews with individuals with unnamed surnames are not considered reliable information. Let's see what real people who are really familiar with the situation will respond to this stuffing. In the meantime, it looks as if the fly was inflated to the size of a rhino.
              1. BRATISHKA
                BRATISHKA 7 December 2012 13: 30
                -1
                Quote: Wedmak
                No ... this is what the 486 processor was replaced with ... when Intel curtailed its production and refused to produce even in small batches.

                And you look in what year the first prototype F-22 appeared, and you will immediately understand why this percentage was set, the 486th was produced before 2007, in 2002 the intel had already switched to 130 nm. those. process, in 2004 at 90 nm. What did Russia have at the time of the development of PAK FA? if in 2010 there is a 90nm domestic percent Elbrus-S, 500 megahertz, 8,0 GFLOPS (32 bits) as a prototype recommended for production, for reference: the same 8,0 GFLOPS but on a serial (2006) budget processor Celeron 440 long removed from production.
                Was or something like Celeron based on P-II or PAK FA flying without an arms control system? It will not be difficult for the Americans to change the onboard percent they will have a modular layout, they will need to at least put Xeon there, but why?


                Quote: Wedmak
                Interviews with individuals with unnamed surnames are not considered reliable information. Let's see what real people who are really familiar with the situation will respond to this stuffing. In the meantime, it looks as if the fly was inflated to the size of a rhino.

                Well, maybe then with the Raptor is not so bad? Or do you generally hold American engineers for)
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 7 December 2012 13: 51
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                  And you look in what year the first prototype of the F-22 appeared, and you will immediately understand why this percentage was set, the 486 was released before the 2007 of the year, in 2002 the intel already switched to 130 nm. those. process, in 2004 at 90 nm. What did Russia have at the time of the development of PAK FA? .....

                  It's not a technical process. The on-board electronics of the fighter solves a narrow range of problems; supermicron technological processes and huge capacities such as Xeon are not needed there. There you need to solve in real time certain tasks here very desirable the processor / controller, as you want to call it, precisely for these tasks. Also, there you need high fault tolerance, work in a very harsh environment (temperature, overload, vibration, etc.), and as you probably know, the smaller the process, the more greenhouse conditions are needed for the operation of microcircuits made by such processes. (Remember the mass purchase of 8080 processors)
                  What did the F-22 developers order such specialized processors? Or decide to save on electronics?
                  Well, maybe then with the Raptor is not so bad? Or do you generally hold American engineers for)

                  I do not hold American engineers for anyone, they are not fools. I just ask the question - what the hell was it with 486 (and this is a universal percentage, probably part of its power is idle), and then change it if they had money to develop a specialized processor?
                  It is a pity that I am not aware of the elemental base of our new planes, I could have laid out my thoughts in more detail, with comparisons.
                  1. BRATISHKA
                    BRATISHKA 7 December 2012 14: 19
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                    Greenhouse conditions? SHIELD?
                    1981 - Space Shuttle ship - processors Intel 8086 and RCA 1802 (display controller), later - Intel 80386 - The space shuttle uses computers APA-101S. They run on 1.2MIPS and still use a couple megabytes of ferrite core memory (impervious to radiation). New glass cabins in the shuttle are working on Intel 80386s.

                    1996 - Sojourner (on Mars) - percent Intel 80C85
                    1998 - International Space Station - Intel 80386SX-20 w / Intel 80387 processors

                    By the way, the Voyjaer 1977 spacecraft launched in 1 is still connected, outside the solar system, and the percent on it .. you won’t believe which .. yes yes it is Intel! : D So what kind of greenhouse conditions are there? By the way, the performance of the processor installed on the 1.2 MPITS shuttle while on the F-22 2MPITS, is it really enough?

                    I do not hold American engineers for anyone, they are not fools. I just ask the question - what the hell was it with 486 (and this is a universal percentage, probably part of its power is idle), and then change it if they had money to develop a specialized processor?

                    Because the F-22 is ... well, as it were, it’s not fresh, since the development, it has undergone 3 upgrades, including electronics, so at that time there was no alternative to that process, because the most optimal option.

                    But we have a super cool proprietary domestic Elbrus-S processor in the world there are no analogues! )
                    1. not good
                      not good 7 December 2012 23: 26
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                      And that it’s not who Elbrus doesn’t put on the plane laughing
                      1. BRATISHKA
                        BRATISHKA 8 December 2012 09: 58
                        0
                        and inappropriately.) it is better to install cheaper and less show-offs and higher performance.)
        2. Vanek
          Vanek 7 December 2012 11: 16
          +2
          Quote: BRATISHKA
          I remember someone here uploaded about the curvature of the F-22 designers ... well, well :)


          Well, to begin with, our pilots do not refuse to fly at least.
      3. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 7 December 2012 10: 42
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        Civil

        Izvestia .... such Izvestia .....
      4. donchepano
        donchepano 7 December 2012 11: 27
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        [quote = Civil] - The main problems of the aircraft are the radar and sighting and navigation system. Constantly some kind of malfunctions, and often they happen during a training flight. You go on bombing or launches of unguided missiles, and your sighting equipment is sour.

        Isn't this because Israeli avionics were placed on our planes?
        What is the problem with electronics in our homeland?
        1. tomket
          tomket 7 December 2012 18: 29
          0
          Su-34 is difficult to call new as something, I remember in technology-youth for 95, I saw his photo, what jambs for 20 years it was not possible to fix then ??? In general, it seems that after 92, pseudo airplanes are being produced, they seem to fly, and it seems that some shoals are something, then sous-34, then instant-31bm are accused of short-sightedness, then instant -35 is not needed by anyone, that's what you think about steering, whether they make truly new cars or just candy wrappers are exchanged for the joy of the public.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 7 December 2012 18: 33
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            I’ll even tell you more, practically nothing was released from 1991 to 2006! What happened was crumbs ... survival ... In general, it’s a miracle that there was some hurt, and they managed to create something new!
      5. not good
        not good 7 December 2012 23: 21
        0
        Piece production is always less reliable and more costly than mass production. And we at the Moscow Region do not understand this, hence the problems.
  6. Oleg S.
    Oleg S. 7 December 2012 10: 18
    +2
    Gentlemen, where is the logic ??
    In 2014, Obama is going to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, from Iraq it is not yet clear when, in other words, even if withdrawing from Afghanistan means losing bases there and control over the drug business.
    But the main subtlety is that (See the article on intercepting UAVs) Iran intercepting UAVs shows the United States that the chip that rolled with Iraq in Iran will not fail, the United States has included in the budget of its military-industrial complex a package of new sanctions against Iran (see the article on the budget of the US defense industry) what am I leading to ...
    this article says that the United States has found new support centers in the Middle East Hamas and Egypt .... excuse me are centers of power ???
    Egypt is on the verge of a civil war, Hamas will fight exclusively with Israel.
    The conclusion I draw is: let's take a look at the map: which states surround Israel ??? Weight these states prevent Jews from "living in peace". and all the actions of the United States are connected precisely with the fact that would defend "Jewishness", I think so.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 December 2012 10: 22
      +3
      What logic are you going to see in US actions? There is only one logic - to remain a world hegemon at ANY price. And since the ground under their feet is already diverging, and especially intelligent people can already see hell, they throw all their strength into battle.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 7 December 2012 11: 56
      +3
      They have already withdrawn from Iraq. What remains is not able to control even the politics of Iraq itself, not to mention the influence on its neighbors. Iraq is rapidly drifting towards the "Shiite harbor". Afghan is getting bloodier, Iran is getting teeth. Syria is not giving up. In general, everything is ready for a mess to find out whose Islam is the Islamists. Someone wants to dump while intact ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 December 2012 12: 06
        0
        Withdraw it .... But suddenly a question arises ... maaalenky ... Where to put all this military fraternity housed in numerous bases?
        1. not good
          not good 7 December 2012 23: 27
          0
          They will enter into Syria.
    3. Green
      Green 7 December 2012 12: 11
      +1
      Jewishness amused me. The best that the United States can do for the Jewish community is to stop pouring oil on coals around Israel, gather up its belongings and, taking under one arm all the shobla from the international amnesty, dump it on the continent. Then, in the absence of arsonists, Israel and the Arabs would somehow come to terms, or at least would have calmed down long ago and developed the principles of "cold" neutrality.
  7. Ash
    Ash 7 December 2012 10: 19
    +6
    The transition of the Russian Federation to a command economy and self-sufficiency = the complete collapse of the Western economy. I am ready to tighten the belt for such a grand spectacle. And you, comrades?
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 7 December 2012 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ash

      The transition of the Russian Federation to a command economy and self-sufficiency = the complete collapse of the Western economy. I am ready to tighten the belt for such a grand spectacle. And you, comrades?


      I think we will not die if moderately tightened.
      But I would like to shock fat cats both in Russia and those who have chased abroad or have business there ..
      How many trillions were taken out in 20 years? Enough for a few years of comfortable life for the people and the know-how and defense ...
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 7 December 2012 15: 35
        -3
        Last year there was a case: Mid-level manager in Moscow (trading organization)
        - The salary for March was 120 rubles, how will I live on this money for a month !? belay (It was a failed month in sales, usually comes out 2 times more)
        Mid-level manager in Yekaterinburg (Also a trading organization)
        -Yes, they are in Moscow O..I, chtol? I'm here with 3 me. the highest for 70 a month, as Carlo vzhobyvayu.
        The moral of this story.
        Tighten the belts in yourself, for all, do not decide! hi
  8. sergo0000
    sergo0000 7 December 2012 10: 31
    +5
    Of course, an encouraging article by Leontyev, in which we can agree.
    But this is a war, but in war, as in war, anything can happen!
    Of course I would like to believe in the triumph of reason!
    Now I watched the plot on Syria, how the so-called rebels "take out cultural values ​​from destroyed and looted churches, the soul is bleeding, everything is like in Iraq !!!
    Scum !!! am
    1. nokki
      nokki 7 December 2012 10: 40
      +4
      I would say looters! And they are shot in wartime!
  9. Magadan
    Magadan 7 December 2012 10: 44
    +1
    Quote: nokki
    Kill me with a boomerang, but I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!

    And I do not believe that there is a difference between their presidents. All their presidential independence ended at the beginning of the 20th century, when three were shot. Kennedy, too, was ruffled and banged. So America is clearly controlled by someone else. Therefore, the Fed is private and their policy is no different. Well, in the sense in real life, not in words.
  10. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 7 December 2012 10: 49
    0
    One wrong move and you are the Titanic.

    As if in a funnel, which is formed from a drowned ship, all of humanity has not sucked. Very much we got attached to this titanic with dollar ropes, and nobody is going to chop them off yet, but it is very necessary!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 December 2012 10: 58
      +1
      Well, why aren’t they going to ... so, they’re sawing them slowly so as not to panic. As an example, Russia and China have refused mutual settlements in dollars, now rubles and yuan.
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 7 December 2012 11: 38
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        Quote: Wedmak

        Well, why aren’t they going to ... so, they’re sawing them slowly so as not to panic. As an example, Russia and China have refused mutual settlements in dollars, now rubles and yuan.


        something is not visible desire of our government ...
        walking green (kakash) .. papers as in banking operations and on the streets have changed.
        In Soviet times, the KGB for it was ... and they hung it up and the article was Mama Do Not Cry
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 7 December 2012 11: 45
          0
          I don’t know about you, we have rubles everywhere in our city. I keep my savings in rubles, and pay them off, including through a bank.
  11. nsws3
    nsws3 7 December 2012 10: 56
    +1
    Soon, the horned moraum wash (Clinton) will leave, but nothing will change in principle, and the United States is vigilant that if the militants capture the OM, it is quite possible that they will begin to poison their cocoon soldiers like bedbugs throughout Asia, maybe the wooden ones grow wiser and finally realize that their shitty revolution can they show them the back of a hedgehog? Although hardly.
  12. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 7 December 2012 11: 14
    +1
    The Americans are shiz about all kinds of threats, they have one problem - they themselves and those peoples who have turned against themselves in their desire to bring "democracy" to the whole world and "protect" themselves from non-existent threats.
    1. sprut
      sprut 7 December 2012 11: 29
      0
      At one time, the Roman Empire was guided by a similar policy ... What end it had, we all know. But Russia, the successor of two Romes, especially the Byzantine Empire, and the fourth Rome will not be.
  13. sprut
    sprut 7 December 2012 11: 25
    0
    It would be desirable for us in the future meat grinder to occupy the same position as the USA in the 1st and 2nd World Wars. Trade with everyone, support everyone, either secretly or openly. And at the most crucial moment, use your Armed forces, help the states of good (it doesn’t matter who, the main thing is who will start to really win) to cope with the states of evil. Nothing personal - just politics and your interests.
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 7 December 2012 11: 33
    0
    When a gun hangs on the stage, it will certainly shoot ... statements about chemical weapons ... and what about the Libyan reserves ??? Where will they come up ??? Amerikosy can arrange any provocation with the greatest number of victims among the civilian population ... and then go on the attack, without looking for any victims among the civilian population. An example is simple ... shelling Turkish territory ... nor any investigations , bare accusations ... screech ... squeak ... threats to Syria, but Patriot complexes in Turkey.
  15. ATY
    ATY 7 December 2012 11: 37
    0
    That America, that Europe is governed by people who are not visible at the political Olympus, who do not see or hear managers, they just make decisions and the whole future picture of the world is known only to them, but for now, certain fragments are visible of what the question is. The task of Russia, without entering into an open conflict, is also a quiet dagger to solve its problems and be prepared for any development of events.
  16. Bigriver
    Bigriver 7 December 2012 12: 46
    0
    America is already lacking on two fronts: the Middle East and Asia.
    There is a parallel with the Wehrmacht in 1942 :))
  17. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 7 December 2012 14: 01
    0
    "As for the State Department," Meyssan writes, "a senator is being tipped to replace the outgoing Mrs. Clinton John Kerry

    Damn first read Jim Carrey. laughing
    Probably a relative. what
  18. MG42
    MG42 7 December 2012 17: 13
    +2
    Leontyev is right <kerosene is extinguished with dynamite>!
    I talk about a sudden chemical. weapons in Syria recalls when the amers justified the invasion of Iraq by the fact that Hussein could use chemical weapons, but they didn’t find anything special there.
  19. homosum20
    homosum20 7 December 2012 20: 08
    0
    Whatever America does, its actions are harmful to us. When Leontiev says that the American government is starting from common sense, it means that it stops lathering the rope on which it will be hung. For the common sense of America comes from its interests. And since she is our enemy, this is not good for us.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 7 December 2012 22: 40
      0
      Yes, Leontiev correctly says ..
      America sees the world for itself ... accordingly remakes ... in a big way ... not just pushing us in ... - homosexual fagots .. and we are being fooled ...
      We ... Russia .. we don’t see anything ... and if we see, then we are lagging behind .. CSTO, SCO .. BRICS .. this is all working off on the IMF’s actions. IBRD, EU ...
      Need to get ahead ..
      OPPORTUNITY ..
      and not trail in the tail ...
      so we will ... the underbone to sniff ... Europe ... until we offer our, RUSSIAN, ...
      hard? .. no ..
      disperse the old trash ... Okay ... let them GO .. retirement.
      pour in new blood ... and go.
      FORWARD ... and not stagnate ..
  20. Igarr
    Igarr 7 December 2012 22: 28
    +2
    Ches word ... already got this ..
    "..S_mirnov (2) Today, 11:46 ↑ -4
    Nastoko is unaware that he still possesses the strongest army in the world and the most powerful economy, by the way, he keeps his Russian stabilization fund in American banks in American currency, including
    I do not understand the meaning of the joyful cries about the imminent collapse of America, and I consider them unfounded. Probably if shouting about the imminent death of America is not so insulting for the dying Russia? ... "
    ..
    Wah-wah ... stabilization fund ... wah-wah..dollars ..
    Wah-wah ... army ... wah-wah .. drones ..
    ...
    But is it really possible for someone ... hesitates ... that now all this garbage is some kind of thread - STRONG ???
    Unmanned aerial vehicles ... yes Iran is planting them at home .. you live well ...
    Israel ... - it makes no sense to plant ... block all airfields .. problems only prolodit ...
    ...
    Why are you so primitive ... approaching the present ... Have you seen enough of Syria, or what? ... Egypt ..?
    All this riffraff ... two minutes ... multiply by zero ...
    ...
    Other questions ... at stake ...
    Live .. more .... how will we?
    Earth's blood .. suck ??? or in spirit ... to eat?
    ..
    mercenaries ... mercenaries ... the letter "M" ... for "B" ... change ...
  21. IPMEN
    IPMEN 8 December 2012 07: 05
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    In any case, the United States is living its last days ..... In total, they are afraid .... And where there is fear, there is hatred ......