The difference is dozens of times: the American press compared the production of shells in Russia and in the West

Western countries failed to deploy their defense capacities to produce the number of shells required by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, the Russian military-industrial complex in this area is ten times ahead of its strategic opponents.

As pointed out in The Washington Post, the lack of ammunition casts doubt on the ability of the Ukrainian army to launch a long-announced counteroffensive even by the end of this year. The lack of shells manifested itself already in April 2022, but "everyone was sitting idly by." Under these conditions, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are able to carry out maximum local breakthroughs of the front line, which the RF Armed Forces have been strengthening for months.

As noted in the American press, the monthly consumption of artillery shells of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2022 was 180 thousand units, at present it is 90-140 thousand. At the same time, before the Ukrainian conflict, the United States produced only 14,5 thousand ammunition per month, at the moment it increased to 20 thousand and will gradually increase to 90 thousand units. In Europe, there are still no signs of an adequate deployment of the corresponding production.

Russia is betting that it can wait out the West's determination. But our solidarity and support will continue. Therefore, the number [of shells] is of no practical importance.

- said one of the EU diplomats.

Against this background, as indicated in the publication, Russia intends to increase the production of artillery shells from 1,7 million on the eve of the NWO to 2,5 million units. by the end of the current year. However, in March, Vladimir Putin set a more ambitious goal - to increase their output three times over the next 12 months.

Russia has the potential to mobilize its own economy to support the military and control its own destiny, while Ukraine does not. Ukraine's critical weakness is its dependence on Western reserves and industry

- a conclusion is made in the publication.

Comments

[km-21]

Russia is inferior to the West in the production of tanks, guns, aircraft, aircraft carriers, trucks, cars, microelectronics, spacecraft, computers, software, robots, machine tools, production equipment, ... in a word - everything. Under such circumstances, it is very difficult to believe in the superiority of our capabilities in the production of shells.

[Neo-9947]

Quote: km-21

Russia yields to the West

And what is possible for it to be the other way around?
RF with its 145 million population on the one hand and 1000 million population in the West.
I think there is no point in comparing economies.
And in this scenario, the Russian Federation also manages to pursue a relatively independent foreign policy.
Here you have to rejoice. I'm not kidding.

[Shurik70]

Quote: km-21

it is very difficult to believe in the superiority of our capabilities

And you don't have to believe.
You just need to remember a simple truth: Western media do not tell the truth or lies.
In the Western media, they say what can bring someone profit or some kind of dividends.
Whether it's true or false, it doesn't matter. They will say anything.

[km-21]

Quote: Shurik70

And you don't have to believe.
You just need to remember the simple truth

Sounds like Muller's cool line from 17 Moments of Spring.
You can't trust anyone, not even yourself.
- I can...
- A-ha-ha-ha...

[svp67]

Quote: km-21

Russia is inferior to the West in the production of tanks, guns, ...,

Interesting remark, not true

[former soldier]

Russia is inferior to the West in the production of tanks, guns, ...,
Interesting remark, not true

I once watched infographics of the presence of tanks and MLRS in the United States and Russia. The US has many fewer units, especially MLRS. The explanation is apparently very simple - on land they are not going to fight with their neighbors either with Canada or Mexico. We have to be ready in all directions on land.
ps In terms of the number of units of the US Navy, they cover everyone and in all forms. But China is rapidly catching up and, apparently, the Chinese Navy will soon overtake the United States.

[KCA]

Can you clarify in the production of which tanks the West is superior to Russia? The last Abrams was produced in 2001, the export one was already in 1995, now they are only modernizing their own, or vice versa, they are undressing for delivery to the outskirts, maybe in the production of Leopards? I’m generally silent about the Challenger and Leclerc, tanks at the price of aircraft

[Peter1First]

It's just that the USSR and the West had a different approach to providing ammunition. Western ones are of course better, more technologically advanced, more expensive. They have different fuses for different types of detonation, and the range is wider. But in the West, the main thing is money - how much money was given, how much shells were made, and with a good profit for the manufacturer, capacities were sharpened for this volume, quality was also tightened up for this funding - a simple shell is cheap, but heaped up can be sold more expensive! And we have the main quantity, it is natural that the quality is only at such a level that the projectile reaches the right place +/- and jerked - nothing more. It’s good that at least it was left to Russia from the USSR, otherwise it would be really bad! But the quality of ammunition in terms of accuracy and nomenclature, the method of detonation, correction in flight, etc., alas! The only research institute of ammunition was closed .... So we spend 10 shells where smart people cost 1, and I don’t think that smart stuffing was so expensive that instead of it it would be so wasteful to spend metal, tol, gunpowder and the labor of manufacturers!

[topol717]

Quote: km-21

Russia is inferior to the West in the production of tanks, guns, aircraft, aircraft carriers, trucks, cars, microelectronics, spacecraft, computers, software, robots, machine tools, production equipment, ... in a word - everything. Under such circumstances, it is very difficult to believe in the superiority of our capabilities in the production of shells.

You all mixed up, but let's be more specific.
Let's start with tanks. How much the whole west produces and how much UVZ.
Don't forget to add the price for 1 piece.

[bayard]

Quote: km-21

Russia is inferior to the West in the production of tanks,

It is not true . Even the entire cumulative production of main battle tanks in the West is second only to Uralvagonzavod (at the moment). Unless you have also included such countries as Japan and South Korea in the west. Here South Korea is really producing tanks now in more or less commercial quantities.

Quote: km-21

Under such circumstances, it is very difficult to believe in the superiority of our capabilities in the production of shells.

It's necessary He does not believe in "Kremlin propaganda", he does not believe in Western propaganda. Mikhail, but didn’t you just try to strain your brains? Who has been using the most shells in the world for more than 15 months? At the peak of the first phase, up to 70 + shells per day. Now it is less, but still many times more than the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which all NATO and Co. (000 countries of the world) supplies.
And how is this possible? If you do not produce these shells more than all other countries?

Quote: km-21

it is very difficult to believe in the superiority of our capabilities in the production of shells.

Neither the Wehrmacht nor the Pentagon doubted, but Mikhail did.
Strange.
Strange Michael.

[sgrabik]

In what place is Russia inferior to the West, he himself came up with this ridiculous nonsense, TsIPSOta is unfinished, if it had yielded, it would have been visible at the front, but this is not visible.

[Igor_Sergeevich]

The barrels of artillery systems have their own resource and this must not be forgotten, otherwise we will switch to 76mm ZIS-3

[svp67]

Quote: Igor_Sergeevich

The barrels of artillery systems have their own resource and this must not be forgotten, otherwise we will switch to 76mm ZIS-3

Yes, and here it is also necessary to increase their production ...

[Kunich]

Quote: km-21

... it is very difficult to believe in the superiority of our shell production capabilities.

So the article says that your capabilities lag behind Russian ones. Don't you think, dear, that we believed that you were writing here from Russia?

[Dmitrii]

Quote: Igor_Sergeevich

The barrels of artillery systems have their own resource and this must not be forgotten, otherwise we will switch to 76mm ZIS-3

In fact, they change all the time. Standard procedure.

[svp67]

Russia intends to increase the production of artillery shells from 1,7 million in anticipation of the NMD to 2,5 million units. by the end of the current year.

How I would like it to happen faster ... so that there would not be such a SHAME when artillery units are set a limit of six ... nine shells per gun per day

[topol717]

Quote: svp67

artillery units are limited to six ... nine shells per gun per day

If there is no limit and control, then they will either sell or make crafts from land mines, do we need it?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: svp67

so that there would not be such a SHAME when a limit of six ... nine shells per gun per day is set for artillery units

In the first months of the NMD, our troops spent about 50.000 shells per day.
There were no limits. Let's take this figure as the full satisfaction of needs.
Further, the size of the group more than doubled.
The needs have increased proportionally. We will assume that, in an offensive, up to 100.000 shells per day are now required.
The planned increase in the production of shells during the year was announced at 7.000.000 per year.
Those. provides a daily consumption of about 20.000 shells.
This will be about 5 (five) times less than what the troops need for an offensive.
During the Second World War, the USSR produced about 109 million shells (from 76mm and above), i.e. about 27 million per year.
That's about 27-30 million a year could ensure a successful offensive. Those. there is an urgent need to increase capacities at times relative to "ambitious" plans.
Well, or sit on the defensive, waiting for no one knows what ...
In general, we know what, but I don’t want to talk.

[Bingo]

Well, local minusers will continue to talk about the fact that the fact of US deindustrialization is fictitious? They don't produce anything but cartoons and dolts, and for a long time

Quote from Kunich

Don't you think, dear, that we believed that you were writing here from Russia?

The daughter of an officer is the only remaining industrial profession both there and on their plantations.

[Foul skeptic]

US deindustrialization fact

And such a conclusion can be drawn from the article?

[Captain Pushkin]

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Bingo Yesterday, 16:00 New
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Well, local minusers will continue to talk about the fact that the fact of US deindustrialization is fictitious? They don't produce anything but cartoons and dolts, and for a long time

In 1939, the US Army had 6 (six) tanks.
During World War II, the United States produced 103 tanks and self-propelled artillery mounts, 674 armored vehicles and armored reconnaissance vehicles, 37 armored personnel carriers and various combat vehicles based on them, 076 amphibious tanks and transporters. Thus, in 67-706, more than 18 thousand armored objects were produced in the USA - 621 times more than in Germany.
The mobilization capabilities of the United States are characterized by a 20-fold increase in the number of workers in shipbuilding in just a year or two since the beginning of the war. From about 70 thousand to about 1400 thousand.
For munitions these days, such explosive growth is possible if a political decision is made and funding is provided to build the necessary production capacity.
There is a very interesting study on the production of ammunition:
https://proza.ru/2009/05/12/1124?ysclid=lia4vmzhf2209090269

[paul3390]

Hmm .. But all this is damned Soviet "galoshes" ... If it were not for the completely plundered heritage of the great Union, I wonder on what day the shells produced in factories built from scratch by our valiant alligators would run out?

Maybe - the adored guarantor on such an occasion will again tell us about the horrors of Soviet power and the planned economy?

[keleg]

Those. for 30 years of troubles, they were able to maintain the military industry, but the Americans (in much better conditions) could not? And for this our scold? Oh.

[paul3390]

Compared to the Soviet one, the current one is miserable scraps .. Ah.

And about the fact that the mattress covers were able to save there - the question is still unknown. For it is obvious - they are not going to invest themselves, and on this occasion - they do not need to fire up the military industry.

[Bingo]

Quote: paul3390

And about the fact that the mattress covers were able to save there - the question is still unknown.

So unknown that no one knows about the Rusty Belt. Deindustrialization, adnaka, and this term was not invented in the USSR / RF.
Note - not read in Pedivikia, but it doesn't say why it's rusty Not metal, for example. It became rusty when, for example, Detroit became a ghost town

[Foul skeptic]

So unknown that no one knows about the Rusty Belt. Deindustrialization, adnaka, and this term was not invented in the USSR / RF.
Note - read not in Pedivikia, but it doesn't say why rusty wassat And not metal for example. It became rusty when, for example, Detroit became a ghost town

The dumbest manipulation.
At the same time, the deindustrialized United States, for some reason, still produces more steel than in the Russian Federation. Houses on gas stoves, probably, they pour metal. More vehicles are made from it than in the Russian Federation. And if you look at how the United States deindustrialized, for example, in terms of microelectronic production, having three dozen factories, then you can immediately see - a banana republic. Machine tools - the USA is in the top five manufacturers, the Russian Federation is not even in the top twenty. And so on.

[paul3390]

How many cars does the US produce? Stankov? Airplanes? Ships? Appliances? Agricultural machinery? Trucks and tractors? Construction machinery? Well - and so on..

And how much is the current RF? The question is closed - or will we continue to discuss?

[Bingo]

Quote: paul3390

The question is closed - or will we continue to discuss?

We will be. Where to begin? Since the basics that in the United States, in connection with capitalism, all development went through light industry, and he left without exception, it was not for nothing that Trump was directly rolled out an ultimatum that in the event of an aggravation of relations with China, in the United States, in the literal sense, they would have to walk with a bare railway, and retail chains , which give the main budget - there will be nothing stupid to trade and the whole economy goes to the same one that is naked? The basics of the communist and capitalist economies, the first year of any university with an emphasis on heavy machinery and planned socialism, therefore the lag in light industry ...
You can remember again Trump, who said that there is no country without metallurgy, and there is no metallurgy in the ISA - are you seriously going to argue with the president of the country, stating that he is not in the subject? Do not be like the clown above - it’s clear with him, they don’t treat him anymore, he always carries this here.
I was especially pleased about the aircraft - to tell you, chtol, how Boeing decided to figure out why the sections produced in different countries cannot be assembled into an aircraft? I found out that for many of the Dreamliners' equipment it is generally impossible to establish where they were produced in principle, they screwed up with outsourcing so that even the sticker made in the USA came from China.
Or tell why the VOGTL NPP has not been built for 15 years? Because a supposedly American company, owned by the Japanese, is building on paper, because it does not know how to build a nuclear power plant !!! Their job is fuel assemblies and software, everything, they stupidly don’t know how anymore, like I can’t fly, for example! And you can yell at least up to the carrot conspiracy that the American Westinghouse is building, only to hell all over the face - they are building over 1500 (!!! And immediately drank) contractors, and they have 3000 boobs and a complete mess, because at the construction site and this is in addition to deindustrialization the nuclear power plant construction industry in the USA is also a complete impossibility to build anything at all, 1500 subcontractors will never even agree on who will go to the toilet first!
And so on all your "machine-ships"

[Foul skeptic]

You can remember again Trump, who said that there is no country without metallurgy, and there is no metallurgy in the ISA - are you seriously going to argue with the president of the country, stating that he is not in the subject?

Political fairy tales can only be presented as an argument by an alternatively gifted person.

Do not be like the clown above - it’s clear with him, they don’t treat him anymore, he always carries this here.

And you are afraid to answer the "clown" because you know that the "clown" from your stupidest manipulations will not leave stone unturned.

in the United States, in connection with capitalism, all development went through the light industry

[paul3390]

The fact that everything is bad in the USA does not mean that everything is much better in the current Russian Federation ..

[Bingo]

Quote: paul3390

we will discuss further

So that it would be more fun for you - I now generally told you in my own words one single lecture from the introductory subject, there was such a lecture at the PFUR at the Preparatory Faculty, I personally heard this, understandably without modern examples with Boeing and Westinghouse, back in the early 90s. The general theme of the lecture is the difference between the development strategies of the state and transnational corporations. Even then it was clear what kind of the United States got stuck with them, to such an extent. that it has already been studied in universities. and many in the USA and here still perceive this directly as the voice of God, or the discovery of Newton's binomial.
Well, or, from the general stubbornness, like a glass of vysevretiya. There is nothing to discuss here, in the 90s there was nothing

[Ingenegr]

It is necessary to compare, perhaps, the potential capabilities of the Russian Federation and the United States in the production of, for example, N-th generation aircraft. According to the most optimistic estimates, the Russian Federation is able to build about 160 aircraft of all types per year. The potential of the United States is demonstrated by the dynamics of the production of ONLY the notorious F-35. And besides him, other "drugs" are produced ...

[father]

You want to say that Russia was not part of the Soviet Union?

[Codett]

The West wants to drag out the conflict for as long as possible, they also want us to have as many losses as possible, they are not interested in the loss of ukrov, and a quick victory too, but they are capable of increasing the amount of ammunition and equipment, they just don’t see it economic benefits, so far they are satisfied with everything and they have not spent much, in general, the war continues, they receive orders for weapons, the military-industrial complex of the states is in chocolate.

[Marcel12345]

even 2.5 million artillery shells is not enough, it is only 7500 cartridges per day! And that is like a drop in the pool on a 700 km front ! Russia has huge reserves of steel for making artillery shells, as well as ethylene oxide which is full for thermobaric bombs and gasoline for napalm bombs. So how is it possible that despite the large amount of necessary raw materials, Russia cannot produce more than 7500 cartridges per day? Just for comparison, 100 years ago, Germany in WW1produced 350 thousand artillery shells per day !!! In contrast, Russia can produce only 7500 in 2023?

[Alf]

Quote from Marcel12345

even 2.5 million artillery shells is not enough, it is only 7500 cartridges per day! And that is like a drop in the pool on a 700 km front ! Russia has huge reserves of steel for making artillery shells, as well as ethylene oxide which is full for thermobaric bombs and gasoline for napalm bombs. So how is it possible that despite the large amount of necessary raw materials, Russia cannot produce more than 7500 cartridges per day? Just for comparison, 100 years ago, Germany in WW1produced 350 thousand artillery shells per day !!! In contrast, Russia can produce only 7500 in 2023?

Monsieur, is it possible in Russian?

[Marcel12345]

even 2,5 love artillery shells is not enough, it's only 7500 rounds per day! And it's like a drop in the ocean for 700 km ahead! Russia has huge reserves of steel for making artillery shells, as well as ethylene oxide, which is enough for thermobaric bombs, and gasoline for napalm bombs. So how is it possible that, despite the large amount of raw materials needed, Russia is preparing more than 750 rounds per day? Just for comparison, 100 years ago Germany was producing 350 artillery shells a day during WWI!!! On the contrary, Russia can only produce 000 in 7500?

Better use google translator

[Alf]

However, in March, Vladimir Putin set a more ambitious goal - to increase their output three times over the next 12 months.

And about the fact that for this it will be necessary somewhere (I wonder where?) To find locksmiths, turners, millers, as well as machine tools and factories, he did not say?

[Danila Rastorguev]

However, in March, Vladimir Putin set a more ambitious goal - to increase their output three times over the next 12 months.

And him min. labor at the very first meeting said: "under your plans, look for workers."
To win a lot - it's not enough to have a lot of tanks - you need to have a lot of soldiers.
To produce a lot of shells - it's not enough to have a lot of Chinese robots - you need to have a lot of all-season workers.
The daily rate of workers today is more than the output of Stakhanov.
And the consequences of non-compliance are about the same as those of an infantryman who failed to fulfill the commander’s combat order.

[reaper]

Well, this information is not surprising. For its security, the Russian Federation is forced to produce a lot of military products, this has been the case for centuries.
Another thing is that while producing rockets and shells, we do not produce world-class electronics, household appliances, video and audio. And the West produces and grows richer.

[Herman 4223]

In Europe, there are still no signs of an adequate deployment of the corresponding production.

Come on, take it easy, not long ago it was written that one factory in Slovakia came out on top in the production of shells among Western countries, producing more than 100 shells per month.

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

If Putin's plan to increase the production of shells is implemented (which is not a fact), then the Russian Federation will reach the level of approximately half of the production of shells of the Russian Empire during WWI. All the Great Powers produced shells in the tens of millions a year, and cartridges in the billions.

It is clear that now the shells are partially high-precision and therefore more complicated and more expensive. And yet...

[Ulan.1812]

No one knows what the Russian government is betting on.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Shells are good, of course. But it wouldn't hurt to correct them.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Shells are good, of course. But it wouldn't hurt to make them editable. The Yankees have the M1156 PGK module for these purposes. Which turns old unguided artillery shells and mines into adjustable ones.

In 2008, there was information that the Compass Design Bureau under the Dynamics program was developing a flight control correction module for our artillery shells.

We urgently need to resume work on this program. And to bring the matter to an end by creating a correction module for our artillery shells.