Ukraine will reduce the army and cancel the call, announced Yanukovych

The number of Ukrainian Armed Forces will be significantly reduced, and the call for urgent military service will be terminated - the country will create a professional army, in which they will serve only under contract, announced President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych.

“An analysis of recent armed conflicts shows that victory is achieved not by the number of troops, but by their high level of training, equipment and professionalism,” Yanukovych said during celebrations devoted to the 21 anniversary of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Officers' Club in Kiev . In this connection, he noted, the tasks, structure and system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be revised, Interfax reports.

The reform of the Armed Forces, previously developed by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, entails a reduction in the number of the Ukrainian army over the next five years from 192 thousand to 70 thousand people and the abolition of military service in the troops before the 2017 year.

In Russia, the military leadership regularly repeats that in our country, the abolition of conscription and the transition to a fully contract army are not yet possible. A few days ago this position was confirmed by the new head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - there will be no change of course, and no one plans to fully staff the Russian army with contract soldiers. Nobody is going to refuse the appeal either, but also to increase the service life by conscription - also, Valery Gerasimov noted.

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[red 015]

it's nonsense to have such a small army of 70 thousand for Ukraine, 200 just right

[Summer]

It remains to dissolve the police and that’s it, democracy will be complete!

[admiral]

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Quote: Summer

Still the police have to dissolve and that’s it, democracy will be complete

That’s what the Muscovites brought to them!

[Captain Vrungel]

Yanukovych creates a gendarme state. The budget for the maintenance of the punitive apparatus, lured dogs from the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the prosecutor's office has been increased. The staff of special police and military forces will be inflated, more than 300.000. That's where the real personal army is. Military establishment? What is the external enemy? Only the inner people. The army, after all, is with the people and poses a real threat to the bandit power. Why do they need it. Now the punitive authorities, up to customs, have been given the right to secretly invade your life. Take control of correspondence, conversations, carry out secret searches and keep you tightly under the hood. For this, the authorities gave these lured people the right to create complete chaos. The last example. The public organization "Road Control" filmed the extortions of traffic cops from the drivers of heavy trucks at the weighbridge on the Kiev-Odessa highway. All drivers silently handed over 200 hryvnia to the garbage. The car took 2 minutes. There was a queue. When the internal security service and the prosecutor's office were informed about this, the video footage was presented on the spot, the journalist clearly showed how the drivers stopped at the weighbridge and silently poked him 200 hryvnias (the regular traffic cops stood aside), the reaction was predictable. The outfit shifted to another place, and the sworn parties were told there were no violations. The driver must write a written statement and present 2 witnesses for the transfer of the bribe. After the departure of the social activists, the traffic cops furiously attacked the truckers, making up for the losses. Count tens of thousands from this one point. Therefore, the wives of the police chiefs travel in Bentleys, and not in public transport. This is the kind of reservation the government builds for the powerless people. Maybe Russia will understand what kind of power they are dealing with and will take tough measures against the bandits in power, who already do not hide it themselves, but do not meet with an honor guard. Watch the programs of Kiselev and Shuster on the power channels. Even there you will understand that the bandits are in power, what they are talking about directly in their eyes, and they are like God's dew.

[igor67]

Captain Vrungel,

Quote: Captain Vrungel

The staff of special forces of militia and explosives will be blown up, more than 300.000.

I remember even under Kuchma there were data on 900 (late 000s) people

[Captain Vrungel]

300000 are special forces and Interior Ministry troops. Personal "guard".

[igor67]

Captain Vrungel,
I don’t know how much is true. Last year, her son was called up to the Kuma’s army (in Ukraine), she was given a list to acquire the form of lingerie. If there is no money, then why not support an agrarian army?

[Kaa]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Watch the programs of Kiselyov and Schuster on the channels of power.

Yes, in Russia, Kiselev and Schuster have already begun to forget. Now they are crap in Ukraine.
"I will not be distracted by inconsistencies in the official biographies and retellings of Mr. Shuster himself (according to various documents, he is Shevelis, he is Shaul, he is Sol, he is Savikas Shusteris). Antonio Stango and Savik Shuster were planning a trip to Afghanistan, which at that moment was occupied by the Soviets.The idea was that they "decorate" the walls in Kabul fake Red Star, newspaper of the Soviet army. The newspaper looked like a real one, but was filled with articles by dissidents, in which Soviet soldiers were called to leave Afghanistan, and in which reports were published on crimes committed by Soviet soldiers in the country. The front page had a large heading, “All home!”, Including a drawing of a Soviet soldier who was breaking his gun in half. during the night when the Soviet soldiers retreated to their military bases, they pasted the fake Red Star numbers onto the walls of houses in Kabul ”(Robert van Woren’s book“ On Dissidents and Madness: From The Soviet Union of Leonid Brezhnev to the “Soviet Union "Of Vladimir Putin," pp. 75-76. Schuster interviews Soviet prisoners of war captured in Afghanistan ("by coincidence," he finds fellow countrymen from Lithuania there as well, of course, "historical mission" and doesn’t allow such coincidences) , and reveals horrific details in the issues of the German magazine "Spiegel" for May 1983. The first publication is called “We Will Kill Them All” (of course, about the proud and freedom-loving Mujahideen), the second - “We are waging a meaningless war here” (naturally, about Soviet prisoners of war). Savik carries out the same false information mission on Ukrainian television that he began during the days of the Moscow Olympics, promoting a substitute for “freedom of speech”. And he can be called by anyone - a propagandist, agitator, missionary, "Lithuanian nationalist", busoter, adventurer, "cultural partisan", bully, fraud, etc., but not a journalist. .And the fact that some "media experts" are trying to present false journalism from Savik Shuster today as an example of high professionalism, and Savik "sticks up" his fake "Stars" now weekly on a TV channel that is supported by Ukrainian taxpayers, testifies to serious distortion of the consciousness of the media and political society of our country. About the absolute misunderstanding by this society of the elementary, basic foundations of freedom of speech, which fake journalism experts love to hide behind. http://2000.net.ua/2000/svoboda-slova/rezonans/74042
Vincenzo Sparaña, Rouhani Wardak and Savik Schuster with the false “Red Star” (photo from the Erewhon website)
Also to me, Lithuanian-Italian-Ukrainian second-hand "mujahid" with European roots

Quote: Captain Vrungel

what they are told directly to their eyes, and to them, like God's dew

-ett right about him. Do you recognize in blue jeans with a printed "denim"?

[Cavas]

Quote: Kaa

Yes, in Russia, Kiselev and Schuster have already begun to forget. Now they are crap in Ukraine.

These transdobols are still alive, I thought they were already in the Bose, and they turn out to be crap in Ukraine !?
Chase Them Up

[Kaa]

Quote: Cavas

Chase Them Up

It will probably be more correct "chase them lice" (informational)

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Cavas

These transdobols are still alive, I thought they were already in the Bose, but it turns out to be crap in Ukraine!?

I think soon the people will mature and begin to awaken. The problem of Ukraine is that despite the failures both in the economy and in the social sphere, the people there are still in "greenhouse conditions". They did not survive the shock that they were in Russia in the 90s and still believe in some kind of freebie and rely on kind uncles from overseas.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Kaa

.And the fact that some "media experts" are trying to present false journalism from Savik Shuster today as an example of high professionalism, and Savik "sticks up" his fake "Stars" now weekly on a TV channel that is funded by Ukrainian taxpayers, indicates a serious distortion of the consciousness of the media and political society of our country.

This is the sad state of Ukrainian society. I myself tried to listen several times to his broadcasts about the independence of Ukraine from gas supplies, etc. I don’t remember what he charged on Russian television, but today it’s just ridiculous to listen to such nonsense. I don’t know how things are going with fogging the brains of the population in Ukraine, but judging by the popularity of such programs, everything is very sad there.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

This is the kind of reservation the government is building for the disenfranchised people. Maybe Russia will understand what kind of power they are dealing with and will take tough measures against the bandits in power, who themselves do not hide this, and do not meet with an honor guard. Watch the programs of Kiselyov and Schuster on the channels of power. Even there you will understand that the gangsters are in power, which they are directly told to their eyes, and they are like God's dew.

Well, Yanokuvoch did not come to an empty place, give you the person the opportunity to fix something. such things are not done in a year.

[zelenchenkov.petr1]

Gentlemen, not everything is so simple under the moon!
Notice, they do not go to reduce the service life, but go to achieve a high level of training, equipment and professionalism!
The answer is obvious and simple, like the truth!
Coalition with someone ?!

Gentlemen, not everything is so simple under the moon!
Notice, they do not go to reduce the service life, but go to achieve a high level of training, equipment and professionalism!
The answer is obvious and simple ....... like the truth!
(moderators do not miss the full text of kament)

[Gluxar_]

Quote: zelenchenkov.petr1

Gentlemen, not everything is so simple under the moonlight! Note that they do not go to reduce the service life, but go to achieve a high level of training, equipment and professionalism! The answer is obvious and simple, like the truth! A coalition with someone ?!

And you look at the years of implementation of this program. Knowing the Ukrainian political reality, I dare to assume that today politicians can say anything, they still will not answer. Most of all, it looks like a populist statement. When something is created and translated there, but today's poor soldiers only need to endure for 5 years, and then paradise will come.

[imrek_ua]

This military branch was going to cut, because there are no grandmas in the budget! Here deputies, bleh, increase the cost of treatment. And they won’t begin to reduce cops - we have them, by the way, now more than military ones - the cops are now the same bandit infantry in the service of the godfathers who seized power.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: imrek_ua

This military branch was going to cut, because there are no grandmas in the budget! Here deputies, bleh, increase the cost of treatment. And they won’t begin to reduce cops - we have them, by the way, now more than military ones - the cops are now the same bandit infantry in the service of the godfathers who seized power.

So always when the country sways. It’s a pity the brotherly people, oh, it won’t bring all this to good ...

[black_eagle]

it’s just right, but only financing ... We fly in the Soviet, travel in the Soviet, go to the seas in the seas, frankly I have the feeling that the country is doomed, everyone was in power, and those, and others, and others can’t make friends with anyone

[sergey32]

Puff on Russia, but there is no one else to hope for. In which case they’ll run to the big brother. Okay, help ...

[black_eagle]

Yes, who doubts, but that's just a joke about what they don’t want to be friends with!
If you and I begin to make friends, then your smart uncles will want to have their own financial and economic interests in our region, that is, they will begin to strangle our smart uncles, what a conclusion, but no! to ordinary people, who cares who the director is at the factory, the main thing is that the company would be profitable and will give salaries to salaries by itself, that’s why these 500 people who are in power will sober up the same customs union, they (not ordinary people) will simply be devoured! It’s clear why you keep gas prices, you want to starve them, expand the scope of activity, who needs our GTS ??? our enterprises are needed and that's all! The move is correct, but only for now, ordinary people suffer from this ...

[The shelezyak]

Very sad. We are one people in fact.
That's the wedge between us Democrats

[Sergh]

Quote: TRON

the Holodomor of 1933, 1947, the UPA, repressions against the patriots of the 1960s and 1980s.

Yes, you, my dear, you have read on the fences of scratched libels, however ..., you just forgot a little (or completely senseless) that Nikita Khrushchev is your root ass. Yeah, there on your fence about Crimea in short they don’t write anything?

[TRON]

Quote: sergey32

Puff on Russia, but there is no one else to hope for.

YOU HAVE A TEMPLATE BREAK. How can we rely on you if you are our most likely opponent? No one has killed more Ukrainians than you !!! We are not forgetting 1918-1921, millions of killed peasants in 1921, Kholodny Yar, executed intelligentsia in 1932, Holodomor 1933, 1947, UPA, repressions against patriots of the 1960s and 1980s. and this is only in the XNUMXth century

[beech]

democracy in action .. one already brainwashed

[orfo]

here come on about the famine is not necessary here, in the Volga region there was no ice either.

[Kortik]

If I am not mistaken, the habitat of western Ukraine?

[Baboon]

No need to turn upside down, people all over the country suffered, and certainly, no one specifically allocated Ukrainians. You’d better remember the Turks or the Poles, otherwise you’ve washed your brain and write such a thing.

[Bronis]

Quote: TRON

We are not forgetful 1918-1921

I am glad that you seem to remember the Civil War. Precisely civil, when on the territory of the once united state appeared a large number of different kinds of groups (and not even always nationalist), proclaiming independence here and there, splitting the country into 30-40 torn pieces. The ideas of "nezalezhnost" were well exploited by the Germans and later by the Poles. True, the latter wanted the same Ukraine to be included in their country. Didn't work ... mostly.
Let's go further. UPA - the armed formations of the OUN (b) - Bandera, in short. The history of this company began back in 1939 in the schools of the Abwehr, I hope "Nachtigall" and Co. are familiar to you. Yes, and from the first days of the occupation, the UPA proclaimed support for a "new world order." She actively destroyed local Russians and Poles, in 1943 she declared war on the Germans, but only the Germans do not have any losses from the UPA ...
There were 3 SS divisions. They really could not fight - the Germans were aware of their fighting ability. They used (until it was completely hot) in counter-guerrilla and punitive actions from Russia to France and Italy. The commanders are Germans, non-commissioned officers and rank-and-file Ukrainians.
These are the "patriots" in the forests of France, Independence mined, well, in Belarus and Russia, women and children were killed a lot.
From here is the conclusion. Bandera and Co. are not Ukrainian patriots, but radical nationalists who killed on an ethnic (as it seemed to them) basis. Sometimes the Germans used them for their own purposes, and later the USA. And they were, in fact, marginalized with chauvinistic views. And no more.
Ukraine was not a subject of international politics, but only an object or means of achieving goals. Alas. There were no proud ancient ukrov. The Russians did not come from Kolmykia. We have one story. At times bloody and cruel, but common. Well, the fact that they are trying to remake it is Ukraine again a means of achieving goals in relation to Russia.
Chauvinism is carried out both in Russia and in Ukraine. Instead, it would be better if we thought about how to survive together in the present world, and not deal with each other's accusations, for a lot has happened over a thousand-plus years.

[Pablo]

GALITSAI NOT UKRAINIANS

[Kaa]

Quote: TRON

We have not forgotten Kholodny Yar

And even "immortalized" ... Indeed, TRON "Nobody killed more Ukrainians ... in the XX century ..".

[imrek_ua]

My dear, you are a provocateur! And as for who killed whom more, the Germans have no desire to present an account? Or are you one of the descendants of those who, as part of the Galichin’s division, fought against the Red Army, in which my grandfather, a Ukrainian, served? Maybe already talk nonsense? We have one common enemy - our oligarch politicians, who tear the country to pieces and shove their pockets! And it is beneficial for them when people like you begin to look for external enemies.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: TRON

YOU HAVE A TEMPLATE BREAK. How can we rely on you if you are our most likely opponent? No one has killed more Ukrainians than you !!! We are not forgetting 1918-1921, millions of killed peasants in 1921, Kholodny Yar, executed intelligentsia in 1932, Holodomor 1933, 1947, UPA, repressions against patriots of the 1960s and 1980s. and this is only in the XNUMXth century

You do not understand, we are talking about Russians in Ukraine and Ukrainians. Nobody will accept you, they will simply interrupt you quickly, the main thing is that you all get bored.

[TRON]

Quote: black_eagle

cannot be friends with anyone

Explain what you mean

[red 015]

it’s understandable, but it’s not a matter of the army’s quantity but bureaucrats, if they hadn’t stolen, then Ukraine could have maintained a million-strong army with modern weapons

[Gluxar_]

Quote: red 015

it’s understandable, but it’s not a matter of the army’s quantity but bureaucrats, if they hadn’t stolen, then Ukraine could have maintained a million-strong army with modern weapons

Well, if Ukraine were China or the United States, it could. And when the country goes bankrupt, then 70 will be an unbearable army.

[nickname 1 and 2]

black_eagle,

Our countries are doomed! The West of Ukraine wants to join NATO. If this succeeds, the amers will put missile defense near Kiev and all that ... and then what? Russia what to shoot at your own? Give up?
If now the amers are pulling with the acceptance of Ukraine into NATO, then for the time being they are in the way. But tomorrow, Russia will have to be brought to its knees and in two days they will accept Ukraine into NATO.
Yushchenko and Yulka will still be raised in Ukraine in order to keep the country hostage ready for everything, if only this nightmare would end. Ukraine will be kept on a starvation diet the way out of which is NATO!
It is unfortunate, but there is only one way out of this = new Bogdan H.

[Kars]

Quote: nick 1 and 2

If this succeeds, the amers will put missile defense near Kiev and all that ... and then what

It’s interesting, can you explain what’s the difference? Purely hypothetically? If the missile defense is delivered to Poland, Lithuania, the Aegis cruiser will come to the Romanian port? How does this threaten the launching position in the Krasnoyarsk Territory with the submarines in the Barents Sea? Even the time the Tomahawk approaches from the Baltic Sea to Leningrad and Moscow less than black?

Quote: nick 1 and 2

Ukraine will be kept on a starvation diet the way out of which is NATO!

And can you develop the idea that entering NATO, in addition to membership fees, will help Ukraine rid itself of hungry rations?

Quote: nick 1 and 2

It is unfortunate, but there is only one way out of this = new Bogdan H.

Well, how the Turks with the Poles will begin to take us to the full, and violate the Geneva Convention 1895 of the year immediately.

[nickname 1 and 2]

Kars,

Quote: Kars

what's the difference

- the difference is in Odessa! The earth is full of rumors = we are very related! those. many relatives in Ukraine! Do you understand? Shoot in your own way? I wrote clearly ...

Quote: Kars

develop thoughts

- Why is it easier? let it not help and no one will think about it! NATO will decide! An order is an order. Barack will say Fedya ........ necessary.

Quote: Kars

Turks with Poles

- THESE? These - will begin, not only Geneva 1895g.
Ukraine, Ridna, (I’m not joking and not foolish) couldn’t be reached so that neither ours nor yours need a bude!
those. crying to the people is not crying, but these our "dad" do not want to ...
WHAT!

[Kars]

Quote: nick 1 and 2

Rumors earth is full

Simply put to justify their words and position is not able. Only rhetoric.

Quote: nick 1 and 2

but why easier? yes will not help and think

to understand incomprehensible rhetoric - what does Barack Fede say that we would stop swelling from hunger?

Quote: nick 1 and 2

- THESE? These - will begin, not only Geneva 1895g.

Well, as current - and immediately.

[chisya]

That at least a million, on the one hand NATO, on the other the CSTO, especially will not fight. If something happens, we will scream to the whole world about injustice.

And by reducing the army and conscription will increase the satisfaction of those remaining.

And so we have a lot of internal troops (40 thousand), not the army of course, but the equipment there is in order.

[Cavas]

Quote: red 015

it's nonsense to have such a small army of 70 thousand for Ukraine, 200 just right

Maybe, Serdyukov found all the same work, but for some reason in Ukraine!

[admiral]

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Quote: Cavas

Probably Serdyukov still found work, but for some reason in Ukraine!

He’ll attach his women too, and then the krandets will be full of snow!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Admiral

He’ll attach his women too, and then the krandets will be full of snow!

By the way, who knows where Luzhkov went? Isn't it the case in Ukraine ??

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Gluxar_

By the way, who knows where Luzhkov went

Luzhkov became an honorary Austrian and conveyes fiery greetings to DAM.

[Lissyara]

Okay! Serdyukov nafig! Sevastopol to us! + constant supply of vodka and bacon! Then we’ll help the cruisers and missiles.

[TRON]

Quote: LiSSyara

Sevastopol to us!

X ... you bast shoes

[Lissyara]

Actually, if only m ... duck Khrushchev didn’t give Crimea to you, then you would have chased the lollipop behind your cheeks, Tron. Yes, and Sevastopol was originally a race city! That was when Nakhimov and Ushakov, Turks (and everyone else) were discharged pistons on the Black Sea, the legendary Zaporizhzhya Cossacks from SICHI did not stand close there!

[Lissyara]

And further!
We will remember Peter near Poltava?

[Kaa]

Quote: LiSSyara

That was when Nakhimov and Ushakov, Turks (and everyone else) were discharged pistons on the Black Sea, the legendary Zaporizhzhya Cossacks from SICHI did not stand close there!

By that time, the Zaporozhye Cossacks had either moved to the Kuban, becoming the Kuban Cossacks, or wherever. But the inhabitants of those places were enough: "
During the Crimean campaign of the 1812th century, Ukrainians made up more than two-thirds of the personnel of the Russian army in Crimea. During the Patriotic War of XNUMX - half .. All the defenders of the city considered themselves, do not believe it, Russian! Just the term "Ukrainian" then for them did not yet exist.
Moreover, no one has ever questioned the colossal contribution of the sailors, who were Little Russians. For example, the sailor Cat. But you cannot erase words from the song, and Little Russians, and Great Russians, and Belarusians considered themselves a single Russian nation. Judging by the presence of Ruska Street in Lviv, Galicians also called themselves Ruska, not Ukrainians. "Http://glavred.info/archive/2012/01/17/084301-2.html
"Sailor Ignatiy Shevchenko put his chest under the enemy's bullet, protecting the commander, a young warrant officer from the Vologda region. And the" first special forces officer of the Black Sea Fleet "Poltava resident Koshka went on his legendary sorties along with Don Cossacks and Siberian soldiers. Sailor Mikhail Martynyuk rushed into the burning powder saved the bastion of the Bryansk regiment from destruction ... After the death of his father, an artilleryman, ten-year-old Kolya Pishchenko remained on the bastion and throughout the siege fired at the enemy from a small mortar. Then until the end of his life he was proud of the cross received from the hands of the Russian emperor. Nobody called him Mykola ... "http://republic.com.ua/article/13757-old.html

[TRON]

Quote: Kaa

and Little Russians, and Great Russians, and Belarusians considered themselves a single Russian nation. Judging by the presence of Ruska Street in Lvov, the Galicians also called themselves Rus, not Ukrainians. "

They considered themselves not Russian but Rusyns, but they considered you to be Yami, so there can be no talk of a single nation

[Cavas]

Quote: TRON

They considered themselves not Russian but Rusyns, but they considered you to be Yami, so there can be no talk of a single nation

"- Hey, crest! Let's make the way! You live on the Cossack land, you bastard, but don't you want to give way?" — Mikhail Sholokhov, "Quiet Don"

[Kaa]

Quote: TRON

there can be no talk of a single nation

“One of the founders of the Russian People's Party in Galicia, Osip Monchalovsky, openly declared in her program that she“ professes, on the basis of science, real life and deep conviction, the national and cultural unity of the entire Russian people ... the Russian population of Galicia to the Little Russian tribe of the Russian people, as well as local conditions, the Russian People’s Party considers it necessary and advisable to educate the Russian population of Galicia in its own Galician-Russian dialect, without, however, refusing the help that the Russian people in Austria can bring and indeed bring the all-Russian language and all-Russian literature, representing the national and cultural expression of the entire Russian people "... “To Ukrainian,” he argued, “means: to abandon one's past, to be ashamed of belonging to the Russian people, even the names“ Rus ”,“ Russian ”, to abandon the legends of history, to carefully erase from oneself all common Russian peculiar features and to try to imitate the regional“ Ukrainian "originality. Ukrainianism is a retreat from the age-old, by all branches of the Russian people and the national genius of the language and culture worked out, self-transformation into intertribal dressing, into the wiping of Polish and German boots. ”“ You can only imagine the scandal that a member of the Austrian parliament produced in 1907 from the RNP Dmitry Markov, who for the first time in the history of Western Europe made a speech about the rights of the Russian people in Galicia in the purest Russian language! The whole Vienna shuddered! Whoever Markov was called - right up to the "traitor" to the dear Austro-Hungarian homeland. logically believed that if during the time of Danila Galitsky his native land was called Rus, and its population - Russians, then he, as a direct descendant of this Rus, also has the legal right to be called the same and defend his rights! Where did the whole Russian people go in Galicia? Why does no one remember these irrefutable facts? And because in August 1914, in the very first days of the World War, Austro-Hungarian government carried out brutal genocide against Russians in this province... They were hanged, shot, exiled to the Talerhof and Terezin concentration camps, gagged, accused of espionage, and then they tried not to even remember all those crimes that were committed by one of the most “liberal”, according to our historians, "European" governments ".http: //forum.fraza.ua/read.php? 1,284020

[Baboon]

In those days, nationality was not legally perceived as such, religion was taken into account, and there was no need to write about what it could be about, but not about.

[Pablo]

GALITSAI NOT UKRAINIANS

[phantom359]

TRON, you need to be treated, not write comments. Learn to communicate normally, clown.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: LiSSyara

Okay! Serdyukov nafig! Sevastopol to us! + constant supply of vodka and bacon! Then we’ll help the cruisers and missiles.

Sevastopol and so ours, we need all of Ukraine and all the people, with the exception of a few Natsiks who are already killed.

[basal]

There is already his own Serdyuchka. Places are occupied, including women’s!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Cavas

Probably Serdyukov still found work, but for some reason in Ukraine!

And all the garbage from Russia gets there. There, UNICEF was not banned, and grants are handed out to those especially distinguished.

[sribnuu]

The Finnish army is the strongest!

[Kaa]

Quote: red 015

it’s nonsense to have such a small army of 70 thousand for Ukraine,

This is really nonsense, WRITTEN BY THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE. Nobody announced the cancellation of the call, only good dreams for the future:
"" It must be admitted that during all the years of independence the state did not pay the necessary attention to the development of the Armed Forces. The army survived only thanks to the heroic efforts of the rank and file, as well as civilian personnel, "the President's press service quotes.
He noted that the challenges and threats in the modern system of world security require a new state policy in the development of the Armed Forces and declared the state's readiness to modernize the domestic army. "Ukraine is ready to create a mobile, professional army equipped with modern weapons and equipment. This year, we stopped the destruction of the army and achieved stabilization. Conditions have been created for systemic and profound reform of our army "- Yanukovych noted in his congratulation.
In addition, he noted the importance of the issue of professional training of military personnel in the near future. “It is important on the path of developing a new army to achieve the European level of social standards for servicemen, their families and military pensioners. Modern equipment can only be entrusted to highly educated, well-trained specialists. It is important to improve the quality of military education and the professional level of officers. Efficiency of command and control of troops, radical changes in resource and material and technical support - this is our task for the near future, "the President noted.
NOT A WORD ON THE CANCELLATION OF THE CALL AND THE 70th Army.
http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/yanukovich-zaveril-chto-dumaet-ob-armii.html
http://www.ricardo.com.ua/news/politics/161057
http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/53649.html
http://news.bigmir.net/ukraine/356725
DO NOT READ LIBERAL NEWSPAPERS IN THE MORNING

[petro]

In principle, the right decision, with whom to fight? In the west, civilized people will not do it, and in the east - with these in different weight categories. The USA and Russia gave security guarantees when they needed Ukraine to refuse nuclear weapons. Russia may withdraw its obligations, but the United States, I think, will not agree to this. The truth, before you reduce the army, you still need NATO, no matter how, but a full guarantee of national security and territorial integrity. that reduction is not tomorrow, I hope that Yanukovych realized that NATO is an umbrella under which the army can be reduced and defense spending. Yes, and there is nothing to cripple in this useless army.

[orfo]

NATO also means that your citizens will have to participate in other people's wars, so good luck in mastering Afghanistan if you catch the curtain. You can safely forget about economic independence. Although there is much doubt that Germany will be for your entry into the European Union, they are therefore sponsoring half of Europe.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: petro

In principle, the right decision, with whom to fight? In the west, civilized people will not do it, and in the east - with these in different weight categories. The USA and Russia gave security guarantees when they needed Ukraine to refuse nuclear weapons. Russia may withdraw its obligations, but the United States, I think, will not agree to this. The truth, before you reduce the army, you still need NATO, no matter how, but a full guarantee of national security and territorial integrity. that reduction is not tomorrow, I hope that Yanukovych realized that NATO is an umbrella under which the army can be reduced and defense spending. Yes, and there is nothing to cripple in this useless army.

Gaddafi also gave guarantees when they kissed his hands, Europeans really quickly forgot all this. Ukraine needs an army at least to fight back from Romania and their NATO allies when they start chopping off pieces of the country.
As for public opinion on the "future of Ukraine", media projects, as always, can be indicative. Not so long ago, the full-length cartoon "Curse Resident Evil" was released. This story takes place in the "East Slavic Republic", the president of which is a woman well, very similar to a native of the city, Gritian, or Telegin, although she is known to the majority as Tymoshenko. So at the culmination of this story, very significant events take place, regarding the guarantees of independence from the United States and Russia. Very clearly in the context of this conversation. Although this is an artistic fiction, a clear pumping of such an egregor is already underway. So we are waiting for further action.

[zelenchenkov.petr1]

Quote: red 015

it's nonsense to have such a small army

Gentlemen, ... gosh yes !!! Your naivety ....... is depressing !!!
GOS-ON-YES, NOT EVERYTHING IS SO SIMPLY UNDER THE MOON !!! NOT ALL.....
Note, they do not go to reduce the service life !!!
The conclusion is simple to disgrace!
Most likely Ukraine has some secret arrangements so far to get under the wing of a strong power with modern weapons !!!
Well, they are not fools, NOT FOOLS !!!
Under whose wing, gentlemen, under whose ??? !!! Ahhh, guessed ....?!

Quote: red 015

it's nonsense to have such a small army

Gentlemen, not everything is so simple under the moon!
Notice, they do not go to reduce the service life, but go to achieve a high level of training, equipment and professionalism!
The answer is obvious and simple, like the truth!
Coalition with someone ?!
Guess with whom ?! Ahhh?

Quote: red 015

it's nonsense to have such a small army

Gentlemen, not everything is so simple under the moon!
Notice, they do not go to reduce the service life, but go to achieve a high level of training, equipment and professionalism!
The answer is obvious and simple, like the truth!
Coalition with someone ?!

[orfo]

it is not strange option 2, I will not voice so clearly. But who they borrowed money from (the World Bank) will have to be given back. Maybe Ukrainians just decided to lower costs?

If you reduce the army without reducing costs, it seems reasonable. And if the budget is cut along with the number will be very sad.

[zelenchenkov.petr1]

Gentlemen, not everything is so simple under the moon!
Notice, they do not go to reduce the service life, but go to achieve a high level of training, equipment and professionalism!
The answer is obvious and simple ....... like the truth!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: red 015

it's nonsense to have such a small army of 70 thousand for Ukraine, 200 just right

70 is certainly not enough, but given the current economic situation in Ukraine, such plans may turn out to be unrealizable. Although the word "contractor" is so vague. In some Eastern European countries, contract soldiers receive pittance. In general, the news is not the most positive, we need Ukraine with a combat-ready army.

[strannik595]

under the wing of a strong thermonuclear company, you can have a small army ........ apparently, they hope in this

[Joker]

No, there is hope in the Americans. They think that if they lick ass of America, nobody will touch them (This is me about power, and about a part of Ukrainians too)

[TRON]

Quote: Joker

No, they rely on the Americans there. They think that if America licks their ass, then nobody will touch them (

And what can you touch us, alcoholics?

[Yarbay]

*** "An analysis of the latest armed conflicts shows that victory is achieved not due to the number of troops, but due to their high level of training, equipment and professionalism," Yanukovych pointed out during the celebrations *** - and Ukraine has the means to in order to equip an army at a high level and prepare! ??

[Cavas]

Quote: Yarbay

but Ukraine has facilities in order to equip a high level army and prepare! ??

But yak!

[Captain Vrungel]

Yes, when there is nothing to eat, lard will be changed to gold not by weight, but by volume.

[Joker]

Eh, I'll go fat, we eat, you seduced me with your reserves

[Nymp]

Quote: Joker

Eh, I'll go fat, we eat, you seduced me with your reserves

Good morning! That's right!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: strannik595

under the wing of a strong thermonuclear company, you can have a small army ........ apparently, they hope in this

Under the wing of Russia, this time it will not work out, when they refused to join on equal terms, and everyone will use the banknotes to the fullest.

[toguns]

Well, what can you say about this news Ukraine may soon become part of Poland, and if it is lucky, it will be the new province of Turkey.

[Joker]

Poland, the Turks have set their sights on Azerbaijan. Called lived free and enough

[Yarbay]

Quote: Joker

Turks aimed at Azerbaijan.

Is it possible in more detail ??
How to aim ??

[mda]

Quote: toguns

Well, what can you say about this news Ukraine may soon become part of Poland, and if it is lucky, it will be the new province of Turkey.

So, in order to protect yourself from aggression, you need to attach yourself to Ukraine.

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: mda-a

So, in order to protect yourself from aggression, you need to attach yourself to Ukraine.

Protection of Ukraine from aggression - it is possible to conclude a treaty, but let them pull their own economy ...

[mda]

Quote: plotnikov561956

Protection of Ukraine from aggression - it is possible to conclude a treaty, but let them pull their own economy ...

... And even let us pay tribute

[Gluxar_]

Quote: plotnikov561956

Protection of Ukraine from aggression - it is possible to conclude a treaty, but let them pull their own economy ...

When everything happens, pull out the fraternal people, but now everything will be different. I’ll have to work hard for them to get out of the pit where they drove themselves and have to retrain too.

[TRON]

Quote: mda-a

So, in order to protect yourself from aggression, you need to attach yourself to Ukraine.

Well, a stupid person of no logic.

[TRON]

Quote: toguns

Ukraine may soon become part of Poland, and if it is lucky, it will also be the new province of Turkey.

In a foolish person !!

[Cavas]

Constructive conversation with Ukraine, as the events of recent years show, does not work out. Therefore, Russia must "help" the Okrainsk comrades to bring Ukraine to bankruptcy, which is not so difficult, and after their hetmans crawl to the Moscow Tsar with a petition, put forward their conditions. If you look closely, then, in fact, everything goes to this ...

[Joker]

Do you know who is to blame? Yes damn Muscals of course

[Cavas]

Quote: Joker

Do you know who is to blame? Yes damn Muscals of course

Oleg!
Five points, as I myself did not think of it!

[Joker]

Already started minus damned Muscovites everything there blooms and smells there, heaven on earth, and here we dare to laugh at the proud Ukrami, but their ancestors went to the mammoths with their bare hands, if it were not for the Soviet Union, they were the centerpieces, and we side squat, and even all the glory taken away.

[Joker]

Their ancestors of Alexander the Great from India were expelled.

[Joker]

And besides, the very first took to the air.

[Cavas]

Quote: Joker

because they were the center, and we, so, perched on our side, and even took away all the glory.

Quote: Joker

Their ancestors of Alexander the Great from India were expelled.

Quote: Joker

And besides, the very first took to the air.

There, their roof went completely down, look at this video ..... what kind of people shouldn't be smart ( long sought a mild expressione)?




Shiz mows their ranks - slowly, but TRUE !!!

[Joker]

insanity grows stronger Here's another video, and about the fact that officially they have written in the books.

[chehywed]

Cavas, great video! It makes fun of svidomi in full! Especially where "Here are our defenders !!!" Quite a few gomez and old pedros. 5 points !!! (sorry the mods won't give it) Be kind, throw off the link.

[bistrov.]

Ha ha ha As an eyewitness, I can say that partly noticed correctly!

[11Goor11]

Shiz mows their ranks - slowly, but TRUE !!!

Have you taken this video seriously ?!
This is the Ukrainian version of the Russian commercial "Putin is to blame for everything!"
Already the beginning of the "All-Holy хwond ... "explains to the viewer that this is a joke.

[predator.3]

In vain, you guys are so joking with the Ukrainians, I personally have only good memories of Ukraine for my military service (Transcarpathian region).

[Joker]

Well, we are not over all, but over those who call us Moskal and believe in the ancestors of the ancient Ukrov

[TRON]

Quote: Joker

who calls us Muscovites and

But aren't you citizens of the Moscow principality? And by the way, what does the word Moscow mean, not some Slavic word, what language is it in? I don't understand what the Slovenian means.

[Cavas]

Quote: TRON

But aren't you citizens of the Moscow principality?

I understand that you still live in the 15th century, well then you are still the Principality of Lithuania, with which I congratulate you!
And then all the independence, but the independence!

Quote: TRON

And by the way, the word Moscow which means not slovenian some word, what language is it in? I slovenian don't understand what that means.

Hmm man, if you think that YOU are a Slav with such a spelling of the words of the great and mighty, so well, go to the devil, oholonis and learn Russian, "otherwise this is not really a dude"
slОjerk, yoshkin cat!


Sits crest in the elevator, crap. The second one comes in, with a smoking cigarette in the sky.
1 (scruffy): - And you are probably ... you-s-s ... from Moscow? ..
2: Yes, from Moscow. How did you know?
1: -A y us in the elevators..y-s..not kypyat ..

[Joker]

You are not a Slav, you are a Bandera therefore you cannot understand.

[sribnuu]

This is so between the lines!

[sribnuu]

This is so between the lines!

[Odessa]

About improving the financial situation of IACS - the whale on which the business of Yanukovych rests, says the official statements of the company. According to the documents that the corporation submitted to the National Commission for Securities and the Stock Market, its income last year increased one and a half times, reaching UAH 1,54 million, or $ 192,5 thousand. The same situation is with the All-Ukrainian Development Bank: according to the results of the past In the course of the year, he increased his authorized capital by 181,8% and entered the top three absolute leaders among banks in terms of the dynamics of growth in authorized capital.

Blogs: Son of Yanukovych and Euro. Vitaliy Sych's blog

The correspondent was convinced that the president’s son started some of the projects under the orange government. However, no matter how long he went to success, the IACS rise took place precisely at the time when his father won the election. Under President Yanukovych, such an active development is only possible for a couple of people associated with the government - billionaire Dmitry Firtash and the richest Ukrainian, the regional Rinat Akhmetov.

Therefore, the newspaper writes, few believe in the individual economic miracle of Yanukovych the son. "The increase in his fortune has nothing to do with the economy. Many companies give him part of their property voluntarily, because they understand that if they do not do this, their enterprises will simply disappear from the market. This is how many markets are monopolized, and the wealth of the President's son grows." , - said the opposition MP from OU-NS Ksenia Lyapina.

The eldest son of the President could not talk to the Correspondent about the affairs, entrusting this task to his press service. They tried to open the curtain of trade secrets over the business of Yanukovych. Today, according to the press service, four Yanukovych companies - IACS Holding, Capital Building Corporation (CSC), Edelweiss and Architectural and Innovative Company Constructive - earn money under the guise of IACS, a corporation engaged in investment and financial business.

In Donetsk, IACS has several facilities. On 12 Panfilova Avenue, the corporation owns a business center and a 0,5 ha land plot acquired back in 2007. The company of the presidential son leases it out, financial indicators of the transaction were not disclosed.

In addition, last year the corporation acquired office space of 92,9 thousand square meters for UAH 2,6 million. They are located on the upper (from the 14th to the 17th) floors of the Stolichny business center. This object, the size of office space which reaches at least 34 thousand square meters. m, located in the heart of Donetsk - on the street. Bogdan Khmelnitsky, 102. The capital built and partially manages its space KBC - a structure with 96,8% of the shares controlled by IACS Holding.

Another region of activity of businessman Yanukovych is the Crimean peninsula. There, the President’s son acts through the joint stock company Marinservice, the sole owner of which he is. This company owns a complex of five buildings on Nazukin embankment, in the central part of Balaklava. Moreover, four houses are architectural monuments of the beginning of the 1907th century: two summer cottages of actress Sokolova, where Lesya Ukrainka lived in XNUMX, a doctor’s summer cottage Pedkov, and one more, the mayor of Sevastopol, Count Mikhaili.

Real estate is not the only area of ​​interest for the son of the President. No less successfully, he conducts business in the financial services market, the correspondent notes. There VBR operates - a financial institution, 100% of the shares of which belong to the eldest of the children of the head of state. Whether branched family ties played a role, or other reasons helped, but the last two years, the FBG has been developing extremely dynamically in the conditions of a sluggish Ukrainian economy. For example, in 2011, it showed an almost 20-fold increase in profits, which amounted to UAH 20,5 million, or $ 2,6 million, at the end of the year.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Odessa

Blogs: Son of Yanukovych and Euro. Vitaliy Sych's blog

The fact that you described below esteemed Esther is the same in almost all CIS countries, as well as in Russia !!
This is alas a scourge!

[Odessa]

Joker,

Do you know who is to blame? Yes damn Muscals of course

Even as it is strange to hear, Israel is usually to blame for everything.
By the way, in Ukraine there is economic stability (in the Yanukovych family).
For six years, the President’s son, Alexander Yanukovych, built a diversified holding whose assets now exceed $ 100 million. According to the Korrespondent newspaper, his business is developing rapidly by investing in new activities.
According to the publication, until 2010, when Viktor Yanukovych headed the country, almost no one knew about businessman Yanukovych-son. Now, the eldest son of the President, Alexander, manages and owns a business empire, whose public assets cover the bank, construction and real estate operations, as well as a number of hotel projects.

The value of his assets, according to analysts of one of the leading Ukrainian investment companies, is almost $ 110 million. And the affairs of Yanukovych Jr. are going uphill in all directions.

[Igor]

Quote: Odessa

As the correspondent writes

I wouldn’t trust this Correspondent, sometimes I go to its Internet version, so the Svidomo people live there and the site is the same, they especially like to drag crime reports from Russia, and then they’re neighing the whole website or some kind of catastrophe will happen too.

[sribnuu]

This applies to you and us!

[sribnuu]

I’ll fix you up a bit!

[petro]

Quote: Cavas

Therefore, Russia must "help" the Okrainsky comrades bring Ukraine to bankruptcy

Well, in this matter you are a master, though only on your own, it’s a nada to sell so many resources and get to the default. Even morons can’t do it.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Cavas

Constructive conversation with Ukraine, as the events of recent years show, does not work out. Therefore, Russia must "help" the Okrainsk comrades to bring Ukraine to bankruptcy, which is not so difficult, and after their hetmans crawl to the Moscow Tsar with a petition, put forward their conditions. If you look closely, then, in fact, everything goes to this ...

Correctly noticed. The process is already running and the clock is ticking, of course it is a pity the people, but they themselves made such a choice. The shock decade will knock out any feces and stupid things that have been crammed into it over the past 20 years.

[11Goor11]

Gluxar_
The shock decade will knock out any feces and stupid things that have been crammed into it over the past 20 years.

Many human thanks, to you, good man!
Some ambiguous feelings evoke such words. Here you would wish this, what would you answer?
Try to understand that all people are different, and even those who live (scary to think!), Within the borders of the same state - may not be alike, and may have different thoughts, in dissimilar heads, or we have here all one collective brain?
Try to separate people somehow.

[DERWISH]

they don’t know what paradise to go on! clear business with money is getting tighter and tighter and you have to leave somehow!

[Kars]

It’s time, it’s usually because of endless elections that they couldn’t reduce the army, they were afraid of losing their votes.

And the Turks, Poland, etc. --- where were they in 1993 - 99? When there was general chaos.
And the current 160 000 army will not be anything special from the professional army in 80 000, the main thing is not to plunder the released reserves, but for air defense and training of personnel.

[Sergh]

Quote: Kars

80 different, the main thing is not to steal the released reserves, but for air defense and personnel training.

Well, if you look at what, along with the service staff and staff boots, and there to record the new recruits, then the military bayonets can hardly be recruited thirty thousand. And it’s still necessary to scatter all kinds of troops ... Strength!

[Kars]

Quote: Sergh

Well, if you look at that, along with the service staff and staff boots

But maybe it’s time to reform the army? And start with hundreds of generals?

But in principle it would be interesting to listen to what and who the 100 thousand army of Poland consists of?

Quote: Sergh

then the bayonets with difficulty will recruit thirty thousand

Now from the 160 000 Fighting Bayonets if 10 thousand will I am surprised.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Kars

And the current 160 army will not be anything special from a professional army of 000 different,

Pros they fight for money, and go tell the conscript that you have to die for someone's loot and mansion in California, times are changing

[Kars]

Quote: Vadivak

and go explain to the conscript that you must die for someone's loot and mansion in California

If you are talking about our peacekeepers, then there were no recruits there, they still needed to get there to get to the train abroad .. they had to ..

Ukraine needs an army for DEFENSE, and here let you be an conscript, let the contractor defend the majority of NORMAL people to HOMELAND (even I succumb if that) We don’t need to bear democracy like the USA for distant lands, or we must fulfill the international duty like the USSR.
We do not need an UNBEATABLE army, but one that would think a couple of times, but he needs all this bloodthirsty and troubles for the sake of Chernobyl and black soil, strewn with radioactive ashes of detonated nuclear power plants. (Although I certainly bent it)

[Vadivak]

Quote: Kars

If you are talking about our peacekeepers, then there were no recruits there, they still needed to get there to get to the train abroad .. they had to ..

No, I'm talking about a professional army in general

[Arkan]

Quote: Kars

about our peacekeepers - there were no recruits there, they still needed to get there to get to the train abroad ..

I don’t know how now - in the 90s, in Bosnia, there were mostly conscripts, and they showed themselves very well there, after a short "acquaintance" - and Serbs and Muslims preferred to shoot French professionals (in Sarajevo, the location of French and Ukrainian units were very close.) And I think it is extremely shortsighted and dangerous to refuse the draft and leave the country without a prepared mobile reserve.
With respect.

[Kars]

Quote: Arkan

I don’t know how now - in the 90’s, in Bosnia, there were mostly conscripts, and they showed themselves very well there,

Well, this is an interethnic civil war, they weren’t given a choice. You can recall Chechnya --- most Chechen commanders and privates were military men of the USSR, including Dudaev and Maskhadov. But will anyone say that the mercenaries did not deliver difficulties to the federals?

Quote: Arkan

leaving the country without a trained mob reserve - I think it is extremely short-sighted and dangerous.

Tell me frankly, do you think that now, after the demobilization, we have trained personnel?
And even this mob reserve beyond infantry is nowhere to be used - you won’t put him in a modern tank, you won’t let him control the air defense system. You won’t trust OTR and MLRS.
Below I wrote how to support personnel for infantry.

[Arkan]

Quote: Kars

Tell me frankly, do you think that now, after the demobilization, we have trained personnel?

No, of course I don’t think so. But the reason that they are not prepared properly is not only a lack of funding, the insanity began with Gorbachev's "Defense Doctrine", and in Ukraine it is aggravated by the fact that Ukraine does not have any intelligible military doctrine at all. There are various "committees of soldiers' mothers", etc. which, out of any ordinary trauma (of which there were quite a few Soviet troops during the exercises, and enough in the modern US army), "create" an emergency with "all the consequences ..." .Now, in Ukraine, only the command of the peacekeeping battalions is interested in full-fledged training of personnel, and if the conscripts are replaced by contract soldiers, in general the situation will not change. Even the expected level of "professionalism" will not be achieved, since the quality of the conscripts will not change dramatically (now those who could not pay off go to the army, and if such a decision is made, those who could not "get a job in civilian life" will go - in fact, people from the same stratum of the population. wow: who can say with certainty what kind of war will Ukraine take part in? This in itself is a very difficult question, the stocks of high-precision weapons (capable of changing the strategy of large wars) are not so large, and the further development of camouflage and electronic warfare means may lead to the fact that the tactics of battles and the methods of combat use of equipment will not differ much from the tactics of the previous one. generations of weapons. (For example: an air battle between two modern stealth fighters (although these are more likely aircraft of the future) will look almost the same as an air battle of the times of Vietnam.), and there will be a need to attract additional reserves of trained infantry, which will be trained in school lessons of CWP is simply impossible. Yes, and to call upon former schoolchildren, and at least somehow organize them in "if something happens," is also somehow problematic (there is simply no legal basis for "this case" in Ukraine). I agree that the basis of the Ukrainian Army there must be professionals in all branches of the armed forces, but the same army must be prepared for protracted high-intensity conflicts - and for this o it is necessary to maintain the draft and improve the training of recruits (by solving the whole complex of accumulated problems, and not brushing them off). Glad that the information in this article was not correct.

[phantom359]

Kars, Yes, bent. We still have gas, oil, timber, resort areas and agricultural potential, which Europe can only dream of, the main thing is to pull agriculture out of the swamp and listen to less advice from "partners". As for combat training - hit the road to Desna (Oster), see how the recruits are trained there. I can honestly tell you - not worse than under the Soviet Union, and in some ways even better. Balm for the soul.

[Kars]

Quote: phantom359

We still have gas, oil, forest, resort areas and agricultural potential, which Europe only dreams of

I refer only to the agricultural POTENTIAL, in Europe CRAFTS per hectare is greater, milk yield from the COW is greater --- they have the maximum area under rape and sunflower --- and this we provide them without any wars.

Quote: phantom359

hit the road to Desna (Oster), see how there are recruits

Every year I talk with former conscripts when I approve security candidates, most of the firewood is firewood, the rest are below the baseboard.
About the gums - maybe there are contractors there, but T-64 can’t get around normally for a year. In 2006 I talked with the tank commander - the worst thing for him is exits and shooting - you need to clean the barrel and tank. I don’t know the characteristics of the enemy tanks, I tried to discuss with him there who is better, who is worse - he looked at me like crazy and said that he saw these tanks in the coffin, and he won’t approach him anymore

Quote: phantom359

advice to listen to from "partners".

Is it included in the partners of the Russian Federation on a par with the EU?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Kars

Chernobyl and chernozem, strewn with radioactive ash from blown up nuclear power plants.

Yes, bent, all agricultural investors scare.
In fact, only a zone within a radius of 30-40 km is radioactive, and even then in the north of Ukraine, and not on chernozem. I sometimes work in the zone.
In 1986, a radioactive cloud demolished mainly to the northeast.
It is better to have a well-trained and well-provided army of 80 thousand than a poorly trained and unsecured of 160 thousand-this is definitely.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Vadivak

Pros they fight for money, and go tell the conscript that you have to die for someone's loot and mansion in California, times are changing

Pros can only kill for money, but to fight with a real opponent ... the contract is quickly terminated, who needs grandmas if you are dead. checked more than once in history.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Kars

And the Turks, Poland, etc. --- where were they in 1993 - 99? When there was general chaos.

So still sat with their pants wet, could not believe their happiness.

[Kars]

Quote: Gluxar_

So still sat with my pants wet, could not believe my happiness

Something that did not stop anyone from gutting Iraq, Yugoslavia. Accept the Baltic states in NATO, complete with Poland.

[rpek32]

Everything will depend on whether this "job" is so popular that people will strive there.

[sevl]

Ukraine surrenders without a fight!

[Trevis]

Come on, Ukraine doesn’t need an army at all! Everything is so miserable and outdated that during a military conflict it will not last long.

[nycsson]

By the way, where did the article about how the Moscow Region wants to return its good, with all the comments!

[Joker]

Censorship probably did not let we do not post jaundice, well, who would believe in gossip that our government wants to return something back? We're just giving away much

[nycsson]

Quote: Joker

Censorship probably did not let

They just didn’t like the comments on the article ......

[nickname 1 and 2]

Trevis, and in truth - on shch? That and those 70 on those wards Sevastopol qi mos ...... whether not visor. and their feed = feed

[Trevis]

nickname 1 and 2 (1) here I am about it.

[Garrin]

There is where to turn around, in the sense of contraction. If ukroflot admirals are reduced, maybe just 70 thousand will remain.

[nycsson]

And in the meantime:
US flies Dwight Eisenhower Aircraft Carrier to Syria

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The US Navy's Dwight Eisenhower multipurpose nuclear attack aircraft carrier, at the head of a naval strategic group, arrived in the eastern Mediterranean and is now in close proximity to the Syrian coast.


This was reported today by British media.

"Last Saturday, December 1, the aircraft carrier passed the Suez Canal and entered the Mediterranean Sea, where it was overtaken by a powerful storm," London radio said. "Last night, Dwight Eisenhower approached Syrian waters."

According to available information, there are 70 fighter-bombers on board the aircraft carrier, and the total number of sailors, pilots and marines on board reaches 8 thousand.

Dwight Eisenhower has joined the Iwo Jima landing helicopter carrier, which has been off the coast of Syria for almost two weeks.

As a result, the naval strategic group deployed in this part of the eastern Mediterranean now numbers 17 ships. It also includes one cruiser with cruise missiles on board, 10 destroyers and frigates. Four ships are armed with multifunctional missile defense systems "Aegis" (Aegis).

With the arrival of the aircraft carrier, the total number of US troops on warships in the immediate vicinity of Syria reached 10 thousand, ITAR-TASS reports.

[Joker]

News from Syria does not please

[psv_company]

Or maybe it's time to join, and ???

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: psv_company

Or maybe it's time to join, and ???

Well .. why are you so impatient ...! Let the fruit ripen ... follow the dynamics of events in the gas sector .. a question with the Antonov firm .. space projects in Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia .. You just need time and you can put your hands under the fallen fruit.

[755962]

As reported, on December 5, President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych after meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Ashgabat at the CIS summit, announced that Ukraine should join some provisions of the Customs Union. He noted that more than 30 new provisions coming into force on the new year as part of the activities of the Customs Union directly relate to Ukraine and its goods. "We understand very well that if we do not find instruments of cooperation with the Customs Union, we will lose a lot. That today this is unacceptable for the Ukrainian economy."- said the Ukrainian president.
More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2012/12/06/1068274.html

[Odessa]

Ukraine will reduce the army and cancel the call, announced Yanukovych

[rapid1934]

You guys are independent of course, but where will you get so much money for the contract army?
Maybe Serdyukov actually came to work for you?

[Ljubomir]

That's horrible. It seems that their government has surrendered in the struggle for a place in the sun for their country. For 45 mln. of the state of 70 thousand army - this, excuse me, is the level of the countries of Black Africa, whose armies are needed only for the trituration of its population. In short, it is clear - it will be white-red over Poltava, and blue-diarrheal red over Vinnitsa.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Lubomyr

That's horrible. It seems that their government has surrendered in the struggle for a place in the sun for their country. For 45 mln. of the state of 70 thousand army - this, excuse me, is the level of the countries of Black Africa, whose armies are needed only for the trituration of its population. In short, it is clear - it will be white-red over Poltava, and blue-diarrheal red over Vinnitsa.

But when it was under 50 million, and not so long ago ...

[Nymp]

And why should the "independent" their own army? All their "politics" is aimed at merging in ecstasy with the EU and NATO. And in this case, the army is only a hindrance. Against a potential adversary (Russia), the gut will not pull! But in its absence, you can take the same NATO for pity. Here they say what "we are poor, neighboring Russia can kill us with one click."

[Garrin]

Quote: Nymp

All their "politics" is aimed at merging in ecstasy with the EU and NATO.

Rodents before 08.08.08 also hoped for it.

[Nymp]

Quote: Garrin

Rodents before 08.08.08 also hoped for it.

Of course, and even for centuries violated the established tradition, when the Olympic Games go, the guns are silent. Well, they got theirs. And they’ll get it, it seems a lesson to them is not good!

[Igor]

I don’t know, you need to invest a lot of dough in the army, and there’s even more contract army.

[Machingver]

Banderlog:

In honor of the Great Holiday, congratulations to all patriots of Ukraine !!!

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! Death to the thieves.
- Z_ Holy !!!

[Nymp]

A selection of rash propaganda! Which is only suitable for the descendants of Bandera to cry and put snot in a handkerchief!

[Machingver]

Nymp,
Banderlog, remove near your worthless avatar - Ukrainian flag!

[Nymp]

I am a citizen of Russia, still questions? And banderlogs are those who launched their last two rockets; - one in the five-story building of a sleeping area, its own independent town, and the other for unarmed Jews, albeit a Russian plane. Take away your photos of Russian-made aircraft on it yourself, and then not everyone is in working condition, and if they are working, they don’t fly because of lack of fuel. And the flight crew does not have the practical standards laid down for pilots

[Machingver]

Quote: Nymp

I am a citizen of Russia, still questions?

- Suitcase, train station ...

[Nymp]

One pity in 1956, not all the ghouls in the forests were killed, they managed to breed.

[Machingver]

Nymp,
Scum fascist-Horde-mouth shut, but then would not whine ...

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Nymp

One pity in 1956, not all the ghouls in the forests were killed, they managed to breed.

This is a fixable question. You see, it’s just something to destroy, it is wrong to burn history out of memory. It is necessary that this be indicative. For contrast to descendants.

[SHILO]

Machingver,

I am amazed at your selection, I hope you haven’t missed anything?
If not, then at the same time amazed by this gigantic size, scope, volume - in found the number of military equipment.
Today I sleep peacefully - the border is locked, and the key is in your pocket!

[Garrin]

Quote: SHILO

I am amazed at your selection, I hope you haven’t missed anything?

No, I forgot it.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: SHILO

I am amazed by your selection, I hope you didn’t miss anything? If not, then at the same time I am amazed by this gigantic size, scope, volume - I found the amount of military equipment. Today I sleep peacefully - the border is locked, and the key is in my pocket!

Particularly impressive are the cadres of the exercises of the Russian army and the nuclear submarine at the end, the breakdowns are good. Only the fleet is missing something ..

[APASUS]

Machingver,
What a set of fantasies!
I especially liked about the army equipped with ultra-modern weapons and socially protected!

[Nymp]

Quote: APASUS

What a set of fantasies!

A fellow countryman would you listen to what nonsense their media carry early in the morning !!! And they send their SMS on the cell phone. They got it, they themselves degrade and set the brains on others.

[TNT]

And the technique is almost all Russian

[Yarbay]

Quote: Machingver

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! Death to the thieves.
- Z_ Holy !!!

Patriot?))))))))
how old are you and have you served ??
and only now in Ukraine is there a fully equipped combat squadron ??

[Machingver]

Yarbay,
Ahmedka - bring me some tea ... - Like in a joke.
- And then I can remind you who sells high-precision weapons and mechanical engineering to you ...

[Yarbay]

Quote: Machingver

Ahmedka - bring me some tea ... - Like in a joke.

Firstly I do not know this joke!
Secondly, I asked you a simple question that you did not answer !!
What high-precision defeat remedy are you selling me ??
The questions above remain valid too!

[APASUS]

Quote: Yarbay

and only now in Ukraine is there a fully equipped combat squadron ??

Do you think such ............. is this interesting? or he read what is written in the article

reform of the armed forces involves a reduction in the size of the Ukrainian army over the next five years from 192 thousand to 70 thousand people

These are just people of a certain kind, they read "smart" thoughts and let's squeeze out the patriot !!!

[Yarbay]

Quote: APASUS

Do you think such ............. is this interesting? or he read what is written in the article

about the squadron, he himself put in the last video!
And I was surprised that such a large country like Ukraine still did not have a combat squadron !!

[Nymp]

Quote: Yarbay

as big a country as Ukraine

How big is she ?! Any African country will be more! Maybe it is big among European countries, well, so European countries are one of the smallest in the world! Look at the map. So, such a small ambition for several huge countries is enough!

[Yarbay]

Quote: Nymp

How big is she?

Big enough!

Quote: Nymp

So, such a small ambition for several huge countries is enough!

In my opinion, normal ambition!
I respect the statehood of Ukraine and with love for the Ukrainians, at least those whom I knew without exception were very good people!
He visited Ukraine, was shocked by hospitality and goodwill towards himself !!
For which they are all very grateful!

[Nymp]

Quote: Yarbay

Visited Ukraine, was shocked by hospitality and benevolence

Do not confuse (or rather sculpt into a heap) commoners and state policy, do not forget that the state of Ukraine shot down Russian planes in Georgia, and the Russian-speaking population strangled in Transnistria, only because they did not want to speak a foreign language, and wanted to secede from Moldavians and pro-Russian. You see, do not watch Ukrainian TV and all the media? It ends with what you called:

Quote: Yarbay

hospitality and benevolence

[Yarbay]

Quote: Nymp

do not forget that the state of Ukraine shot down Russian planes in Georgia

This is not proven, I remember the garbage that Mammoths shot!
I think the Georgians had their own air defense specialists too !!
In general, I have my own opinion about Transnistria and the Georgian conflict!
And in all articles on these topics expressed his views!

Quote: Nymp

You see, do not watch Ukrainian TV and all the media? It ends with what you called:

Yes, I don’t look, but in 2007 I had the opportunity to watch, but I don’t understand very well in Ukrainian! I haven’t heard anything terrible about Russians !!

[TRON]

Quote: Nymp

the state of Ukraine shot down Russian planes in Georgia,

And do not roam over foreign territories, gentlemen, aggressors

[Nymp]

Quote: TRON

And do not roam over foreign territories, gentlemen, aggressors

Exactly what did Georgian aggressors do in South Ossetia? Not Ossetians bombed the Georgians, but vice versa!

[Kars]

Nymp,
for a couple with Mashinghever (not that stupid nickname - from Schmeiser?)
Heals to a psychiatrist.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Yarbay

now in Ukraine there is a fully equipped combat squadron ??

http://vpk.name/news/80286_v_sostav_takticheskoi_aviacii_vozdushnyih_sil_vs_ukra
inyi_peredanyi_dva_modernizirovannyih_samoleta_su25m1.html

[Pilot200809]

And who will join the contract army? Youth (modern)? She will ask questions at the sight of AK - THIS IS WHAT !!! Yes, and modern AK’s youth will not keep it, it will not, poor fellow, - WILL FALL along with it. Modern youth have in their hands either beer, or cola, or a cigarette with drapes, and for many all of this together and brains are less than that of chicken. And those who have brains in the army will not go, and in the case of the database, they will dump over the hill. A contract army needs specialists, a base, and equipment. There is neither one nor the other. Mustache sold and collapsed. (example - Balaclava and Father Maisky) All combat-ready and competent guys, as unnecessary at home, either turned to the geese, either in Russia (according to the old army friendship), or in Africa in the PL. Young people have no one to educate, no where, but nothing. Who will serve for 2000 hryvnia (250 USD). and even a bullet under the bullet. And no one will fight with us (there is no one to fight with). It's easier for young people to go to the PL. There you can see the world, gain experience and earn money. Svidomye, if they serve, if there is a database, they will surrender very quickly, and then, for a decent reward, they will fight on the side of the adversary. They will fall under anyone who pays well and is hostile to the Slavs. So fresh giving, yes hard to believe.

[Machingver]

Over the past six months, the number of patriots in Ukraine has grown by 10%

August 20 2012
First of all, Ukrainians consider their country, their people, the place where they were born and raised to be a matter of pride.
Ukraine has seen an increase in the level of patriotism, according to a survey conducted by the Sociological Group “Rating” in August.
So, compared with the indicators of two years ago, the number of respondents who consider themselves to be patriots of their country, increased from 77 to 82%, and compared with the data six months ago, the growth is even greater - from 73 to 82%. In particular, 40% of respondents clearly describe themselves as patriots of their country, another 42% - more likely than not.
Only 10% of respondents do not consider themselves patriots. Another 8% could not decide.
Most supporters of “Freedom” (97%) and “Fatherland” (91%) consider themselves to be patriots, at the same time, a significant increase in the corresponding mood among supporters of the Party of Regions is recorded.
The supporters of the BLOW of Vitali Klitschko and the party of Natalia Korolevskaya “Ukraine - Forward!” Consider themselves the least patriots.
First of all, Ukrainians consider their country, their people, the place where they were born and raised (34%), the land, the territory on which they live (29%), national songs, holidays, customs (27%), native nature ( 26%), the country's past and its history (25%), Ukrainian industriousness, the ability to manage (25%), great people of their nationality (24%).
The spiritual qualities of their people (22%), the state in which they live (21%), and the language of their people (19%) also cause pride in their country.
Faith, religion of one’s people (12%), victories of athletes of one’s country (12%), literature and art (11%), graves of their ancestors, their memory (11%), flag, coat of arms, anthem (4%) cause less pride. )
The survey was conducted by the Sociological Group “Rating” on August 8–18 among 2000 respondents throughout Ukraine. Research method: personal formalized interview according to the questionnaire (face to face). The error of the representativeness of the study (with a probability of 0,95): for values ​​close to 50%, the error is not more than 2,2%, for values ​​close to 30% - not more than 2%, for values ​​close to 10% - not more than 1,3 %, for values ​​close to 5% - no more than 1%.

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Patriots! Glory to the heroes!!!





10% of banderlogs - may be free ...

[Pilot200809]

Machingver - What a patriot you are if you even have the nickname "MP40" - a Wehrmacht assault rifle. This is an indicator that you lick with all your gut .... for Angolas and Teutons. Sell with giblets .. So you'd better keep quiet. Smart ass.

[Igor]

Quote: Machingver

10% of banderlogs - can be free.

All 10% of them voted for VO "svolot"

[MstislavHrabr]

Cool! Ukraine was on the map already in 1370, but the Tatars, Russians and Poles did not know about it ... And only the wise Germans included the "ancient map" in their atlas ...

Cool! Ukraine was on the map already in 1370, but the Tatars, Russians and Poles did not know about it ... And only the wise Germans included the "ancient map" in their atlas ...

[Baboon]

Only you take a closer look at the map of what year it is, they show the map of 1870, and they say 1370. In general, I wonder where these cards printed.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Babon

Only you take a closer look at the map of what year it is, they show the map of 1870, and they say 1370. In general, I wonder where these cards printed.

Even more interesting if you look at what year this card was released, it turns out that in 2005 it was made in Photoshop.

[Trevis]

I've seen such patriots. Look ... poo amers lick yes about "nezalezhnist" trend.

[TRON]

Quote: Trevis

I've seen such patriots. Look ... poo amers lick yes about "nezalezhnist" trend.

Well ... you lick katsam. So keep quiet

[magadanets]

"congratulations" to Ukraine. If you don't want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's

[TNT]

Everything goes to this.

[wow]

"... victory is achieved not by count, but by ...". "Analyzer", damn it burnt. Just say it simply: ... we have stolen to such a stage that there’s nothing to buy cartridges for, and there’s nothing to feed the soldiers! Not to mention anything more.

[Baboon]

What have you written here, what kind of geopolitical interests does the country have, such is the army. The army will be more serious than that of the Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, which means Ukraine does not need more.

[gladiatorakz]

Article - okay. Something is added, something is not said. But here are the comments ... BROTHERS !!! WHAT is there to say more. One love and respect !!! (Although a little thought creeps in: maybe non-Russia writes, well, can't a brother be so happy about any problems with his brother? Mock, insult?)
Probably because the word "dignity" is now associated with the majority of the male sex organ. But Ozhegov S.I. interprets as -A set of high moral qualities, as well as respect for these
qualities in oneself.

[TRON]

Quote: gladiatorakz

maybe nerus writes

This is the Finno-Ugric-Mongolo-Tatars

[Ljubomir]

If the Russian Finno-Finns, then this is Tatarva, because the main external difference between you and the Russians is black-haired! Black eyebrows, brown eyes ... (song)

[homosum20]

Well done Yanukovych.
That conflict, that war is one and the same for him.
Although, who will attack them and for what?

[Nymp]

Quote: homosum20

Although, who will attack them and for what?

They are shaking for their independence! And the EU and NATO are ready to give it themselves with joy, but they lie apart under America!

[orfo]

Romania does not mind to overcome Bessarabia.

[sanyabasik]

How unpleasant and painful it is to read comments in which we try to humiliate and insult each other ..
Let's remember that under the USSR this would never occur to anyone ..
Someone really wants to push us together.
But in fact, both Russia and Ukraine still exist as states only contrary to corruption, greed and dishonesty in the highest echelons of power and through hard work and patience of the common people.

[Garrin]

Quote: sanyabasik

How unpleasant and painful it is to read comments in which we try to humiliate and insult each other ..
Let's remember that under the USSR this would never occur to anyone ..

I believe that the vast majority of those present here (I will say this for myself with a guarantee) to this day consider Ukrainians to be fraternal people. And the caustic comments are just a response to the bowel movements of a pair of Bandera trolls.

But in fact, both Russia and Ukraine still exist as states only in spite of corruption, greed and dishonesty in the highest echelons of power and thanks to the hard work and patience of the common people.

But I agree with this 100%.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Garrin

And the caustic comments are just a response to the bowel movements of a pair of Bandera trolls.

About who trolls answers a moot point. But if a macaque threw a poop, you also need to become a macaque? Spill over?

[TRON]

Quote: sanyabasik

Let's remember that under the USSR this would not have occurred to anyone.

Under the USSR, Ukrainian patriots were shot and sat in Russian concentration camps

[Garrin]

Quote: TRON

Under the USSR, Ukrainian patriots were shot and sat in Russian concentration camps

Forgot to add. "And in the caches."

[sanyabasik]

Quote: TRON

Under the USSR, Ukrainian patriots were shot and sat in Russian concentration camps

it is logical to assume that under the USSR, Russian patriots were shot and sat in Ukrainian concentration camps

Oleksandr, I put you + to end the discussion ..

[TRON]

Quote: sanyabasik

Oleksandr, I put you + to end the discussion ..

What are you, I want to earn "-10000"

[Baboon]

You are just sick, how many Ukrainians who made a career under the USSR in the entire union?

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: sanyabasik

How unpleasant and painful it is to read comments in which we try to humiliate and insult each other ..
Let's remember that under the USSR this would never occur to anyone ..
Someone really wants to push us together.

The first sane comment.

[Anthrax]

Well, well done.
We don’t understand why we keep a million parasites, and even with nuclear weapons.
And we can cancel the appeal and the army is fully professional contain.
In Ukraine, they want to make an army of 70 thousand, and the population is three times less than ours.
Let us leave the army three times as large as fully contracted, even more than four times as large as 300 thousand.
300 thousand is also enough for the eyes to contain and continue to deal with what we are doing now - scare our neighbors with rattling weapons.

[Nymp]

AnthraxYou are talking nonsense, read about the Bilderberg Club, and what Mrs. Thatcher said about Siberia at one of its meetings, and about Russia in general. (Chubais was present there with a smile of affection, by the way, in Russia there are too many of these "Chubais" divorced, you are not one of them by chance) but look at the map; which country is the largest and has mineral deposits? What is still not clear, that the army should be the most powerful and largest ?!

[Anthrax]

Quote: Nymp

You are talking complete nonsense, read about the Bilderberg Club, and what Mrs. Thatcher said about Siberia at one of its meetings, and about Russia in general. (Chubais was present there with a smile of affection, by the way, in Russia there are too many of these "Chubais" divorced, you are not one of them by chance) but look at the map; which country is the largest and has mineral deposits? What is still not clear, that the army should be the most powerful and largest?

Conspirology is a diagnosis.
You conspiracy theorists will understand each other first, and that statement about Siberia is attributed to Thatcher, Kandaliz Rise, Madeleine Albright and Hilary Clinton. In real life, this nonsense was invented by one of the employees of our propaganda propaganda.
Based on what does the army mean? Area and natural resources?
So, in the most valuable and expensive fossils - hydrocarbons, Russia is in 7th place.
Even Venezuela has 2 times more. And why is it not captured?
Let’s then make half the army of Venezuela.
By the way, why is Venezuela not captured?
.Although the Saudis have many times more hydrocarbons than Venezuela.
Or based on the area ..
Canada is 1,7 times smaller than the Russian Federation. And Canada also has a lot of natural resources.
But the Canadian army is about 50 thousand. So we need 85 thousand? I agree.
And Canada also has no nuclear weapons, nor does Australia have a huge one with a tiny army.
War over resources fiction of our propaganda.
Also with Iraq. Climb on no, look for info, there are tons of it. Oil in Iraq is produced by 30-40 companies from 20-30 countries. As well as in most countries of the Persian Gulf.
It remains to be seen who the Americans or our Lukoil, Gazprom, Bashneft produce more oil in Iraq

[Mr. Truth]

Anthrax,
300 thousand will be just parasites.
For the Russian Federation, at least 450 thousand people are needed only in the ground forces.

[bremest]

The idea of ​​having a fully professional army is not new and attractive, but it is important that the male population is ready at any time to take up arms and stand up for the country, and this is achieved only through military service through conscription.
A conscript came into the army, and left as a military specialist, and in which case he can be called up and after a short period of time he can defend the country.
I do not think that in the USSR there was a bad system of mobilization training.

[Kars]

Quote: bremest

so that the male population was ready at any time to pick up arms and defend the country, and this is achieved only through military service on conscription

It will increase the number of hours of NVP at school and pass the exam. I learned more at NVP at school than in a year at household jobs and a cannery. I saw the tool to which I was assigned only through the fence, and touched it when I tinted.

Quote: bremest

I do not think that in the USSR there was a bad system of mobilization training.

If honestly it’s terrible, ask those who were in the partisans.
The call is not a military specialty, which part fell into. The Israeli system is most likely the best.

Quote: bremest

A conscript came into the army, and left as a military specialist

Yes, for a year, a great specialist’s ear))))))))))))

[Baboon]

But I like the Swiss system.

[nnz226]

The fate of any "power" that is in a hurry to become a buffer between Gayrope and Russia is to be divided between them. The example of Poland in the 18th and 1st half of the 20th century showed this ... And so that the Independent does not flutter for a long time, the army, correctly (!) Must be reduced ...

[Baboon]

As I read, it seems that Poland was not a buffer at all, but a very ambitious state with big claims, it seems that they fought with all neighbors before the sections. And they were not against expanding the border at all.

[andrey122]

How is this familiar