The head of the State Duma Committee Andrey Kartapolov proposed to apply the experience of CTO in the North Caucasus to protect the border with Ukraine

To protect the border with Ukraine, coordination of all law enforcement agencies is necessary, this function can be assumed by the joint headquarters, said Andrey Kartapolov, head of the State Duma Defense Committee.

The general suggested not to look for some complicated solutions to the situation with the protection of the borders with Ukraine, but to use the already existing experience. According to him, in the same Belgorod region there are a sufficient number of security officials from various departments, but they do not have a single command. Therefore, it is necessary to create a joint headquarters, which will include representatives of all law enforcement agencies, so it will coordinate all actions.

The Ministry of Defense has experience in creating such headquarters, suffice it to recall the conduct of counter-terrorist operations in the North Caucasus.

That is, a joint headquarters is being created, and all the security forces, all the structures that are on the territory are subordinate to it. He is self-sufficient, he has all the necessary forces and means in order to respond to some events.

- leads RBC Kartopolov's words.

Commenting on the possibility of arming the territorial defense units created in the regions, the general said that for this it is necessary to give them some kind of legal status. As one of the options, he suggested linking the defense units to local departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. According to him, the idea with the armament of the terodefense is correct, but it needs to be finalized.

Here we need to decide, and for this we need a political decision. Legislators ready to consider any options

- he added.

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[carpenter]

The general suggested not to look for some complicated solutions to the situation with the protection of the borders with Ukraine, but to use the already existing experience.

Hasn't this experience been applied yet? And why ? Or, as always, the bureaucracy crushed fresh ideas, because it’s better to sit in the old fashioned way and do nothing.

[Orange Bigg]

The head of the State Duma Committee Andrey Kartapolov proposed to apply the experience of CTO in the North Caucasus to protect the border with Ukraine

It was the second year of the SVO.

[Konnick]

It was the second year of the SVO.

To protect the border with Ukraine, coordination of all law enforcement agencies is necessary, this function can be assumed by the joint headquarters

[Terenin]

Quote from Orange Bigg

The head of the State Duma Committee Andrey Kartapolov proposed to apply the experience of CTO in the North Caucasus to protect the border with Ukraine

It was the second year of the SVO.

Legislators ready to consider any options
- added Kartapolov.

I remembered a joke about how a man spent his entire vacation in Sochi, and before leaving, he opened the balcony and was surprised: "Wow, there's also the sea here !?"
As V. Putin will say, and he won’t say in vain: “What are you doing there, have you collapsed from an oak tree!?”
You, deputies ... just, without getting up from your chair, open Google and type: TFR, OGV (s), VOGOiP ... Goals, objectives, structure ...
Well, you can't work like that!

[Argon]

You will probably be surprised, but the victory is not very profitable for the generals, wherever it is. Who was in Chechnya will not lie

[Al manah]

Why?
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[Cananecat]

Quote: carpenter

Hasn't this experience been applied yet? And why ?

This is a banal tug of a blanket. The FPS does not have under its command artillery, heavy equipment and aviation, all these units are attached to the FPS for reinforcement depending on the operational situation. So it was in Tajikistan and so it should be in the regions bordering Ukraine. The experience of maintaining a database on the NC is somewhat different, there the gangs were all around, but here from one direction, and therefore the example of Tajikistan is given. I am more than sure that the FPS has repeatedly turned to the Moscow Region with a similar question, but there it was only deceived. In fact, the general is talking about transferring the functions of the FPS to the Moscow Region.
The organization of such a headquarters means additional funds and positions ... then think for yourself.

[barclay]

? And why
Yes, because our bureaucrats do not need anything but their instructions and their own well-being.
Surprisingly, only a year later Kartapolov opened the eyelids of these uninitiated hard workers.
As usual, we are waiting for the royal decree ...

[alystan]

Hasn't this experience been applied yet? And why ? Or, as always, the bureaucracy crushed fresh ideas, because it’s better to sit in the old fashioned way and do nothing.

Probably overlooked at the time, while he was in active military service.
You are probably right, he most likely did nothing, jumped from office to office, studied bureaucracy and was successfully elected to the State Duma after successfully participating in the liberation of the Syrian Palmyra, where from December to March 2017 he headed the Russian group of troops in Syria.

And before that, after his birth in 1963 in the GDR (apparently his father served there) and studying at the Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School named after the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR (1985), the newly minted 22-year-old officer somehow accidentally began his military service in the GSVG.

And in 22 years he went from platoon commander to commander of a motorized rifle division (GSVG, Western Group of Forces, Far Eastern Military District). It is difficult to find data where and how long it served, they simply disappeared from everywhere (maybe I searched badly).

But from 2007 onwards, everything is painted in detail and in colors ... What is interesting, Kartapolov did not sit in any place for more than one year. No, it seems from May 2010 to January 2012 he commanded the 58th army of the North Caucasus, then the Southern military districts. Although even here he managed to change two VOs. I wonder what a person, even a super genius, can manage to do in such a short period of time?

And besides the service itself, Kartapolov managed to find time in the middle of the first period of his service to study at the Military Academy. M.V. Frunze (1993) and, just before the start of the second, at the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (2007).

In October 2021, he became a deputy and was elected chairman of the Defense Committee of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the VIII convocation.

And this truly talented military commander suddenly wonders if we should apply the experience of carrying out counter-terrorist operation in the North Caucasus ...

[AMG]

You wrote everything correctly. Little addition. From July 30, 2018 (the moment of creation) to October 5, 2021, Colonel-General A. Kartopolov headed the Heads of the PUR (this is the old one, who remembers), and now the GPPU of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! For me it was a revelation. It turns out that traditions are alive, oh alive. The SHPU consists of 7 departments and one commission. Here's what they do: :Heads of departments
Colonel Sergienko Igor Petrovich - Head of the Department of Military Patriotic Work and Interaction with Public Associations
Colonel Dosugov Mikhail Anatolyevich - Head of the Department of Military-Political Propaganda and Agitation
Colonel Gamaley Yevgeny Yuryevich - Head of the Department of Military Social Work
Colonel Uziyuk Viktor Stepanovich - Head of the Department of Cultural and Leisure Work
Shabala Andrey Gennadievich - Head of the Department of Military Discipline and Crime Prevention
Veselkov Oleg Yurievich - Head of the Department for Cooperation with Religious Associations
Surovtsev Alexander Ivanovich - head of the department for work with religious servicemen

[AMG]

Perhaps the names of the chiefs have changed, but the departments have probably remained and are working hard.

[aszzz888]

As one of the options, he suggested linking the defense units to local departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. According to him, the idea with the armament of the terodefense is correct, but it needs to be finalized.

Here we need to decide, and for this we need a political decision. Legislators ready to consider any options

- added Kartopolov.

Here you go. In continuation of the previous material. And in this department, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, they refer to a political decision. And it had to be taken the day before yesterday)).

[Leshak]

Something, with political decisions, is really bad in Russia. I had enough courage to start the NWO, and then some kind of stupor attacked, then gestures of goodwill, either regrouping, or retreating to convenient positions, guaranteeing the safety of the oberclown. Well, the "leaky" border with the country 404 does not fit into my head at all. The feeling that the country's leadership does not want to understand that this is a full-fledged war and it is impossible to win by half measures.

[aszzz888]

Leshak (Leshy)
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Something, with political decisions, is really bad in Russia. I had enough courage to start the NWO, and then some kind of stupor attacked, then gestures of goodwill, either regrouping, or retreating to convenient positions, guaranteeing the safety of the oberclown. Well, the "leaky" border with the country 404 does not fit into my head at all. The feeling that the country's leadership does not want to understand that this is a full-fledged war and it is impossible to win by half measures.

My, To you! Entirely and completely, as they say, agree. I myself "begin to be tormented by vague doubts" ... But one thing is clear - we must go to the end, and only our Victory!

[lisikat2]

What the hell is a political decision?
Until this decision is made, how much water will flow away?
Today, at 6 o'clock in the morning, their drone attacked my city! Seems like XNUMX km from my house? Now I will clarify

[aszzz888]

lisikat2 (Katya-Katyusha)
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What the hell is a political decision?
Until this decision is made, how much water will flow away?
Today, at 6 o'clock in the morning, their drone attacked my city! Seems like XNUMX km from my house? Now I will clarify

But without it, a "political decision", NO state tasks are possible. Such is the system.
Regarding the drone attack, please accept our apologies.
The enemy is always the enemy. And he is cunning. Especially in a bunch of ukronazis-arrogant-merikatos.

[Plufik]

That's what we get, so it's to create "headquarters". And capable, motivated units - that's later, as it turns out.

[Smoked]

Yeah, they are setting up headquarters, and coordination between them is at the level of pigeon mail and smoke signals. This is if even the staff at all want some kind of real movement.

[Bulrumeb]

This is what I was supposed to initially do, incl. Rosgvardia, and not enter Ukraine in columns ...

[COJIDAT]

And the border troops, and why they were invented is interesting.

[Al manah]

To put stamps in the passports of terrorists, to scold for the lack of passports and the presence of weapons.

[Mavrikiy]

The head of the State Duma Committee Andrey Kartapolov proposed to apply the experience of CTO in the North Caucasus to protect the border with Ukraine

He would offer to apply the experience of the ATO, it is closer to him.

According to him, in the same Belgorod region there is sufficient the number of security officials from various departmentsbut they do not have a unified command. Therefore, it is necessary to create a joint headquarters, which will include representatives of all law enforcement agencies, so he will coordinate all actions.

Well done and you don’t have to do anything signed a piece of paper and everything is already there.
We will have to fight not with terrorists and their farts, but with military units, and here we need completely different means, up to mortars, artillery and tanks. Here the company entered, and tomorrow the battalion. And DPS officers are against them.

[couch]

here the main thing is to create more headquarters and place them away from the border (for example, in the Krasnoyarsk region), and tractor drivers with hammers and wrenches and women with bare breasts and shovels will stand on the border!

[Zadok]

folk wisdom about oaks and defense will never become obsolete. deadwood they allowed to collect. normal horns for a slingshot will not work from deadwood, you need an apple tree or a pear, and preferably a cherry. you won’t get weapons from these with oaks and you won’t wait.

WHO did he remember ... and who gave out weapons to the "correct" spooks? here ... they bought it themselves. three-engine woodpecker

[Gardamir]

This has never happened in the history of mankind. Putin and Zelensky invented a new word in diplomacy. In some places the front line, and in some places a relatively peaceful border. Here's another question cars with Ukrainian numbers on the roads of Moscow, what is it?

[Al manah]

cars with Ukrainian numbers on the roads of Moscow, what is this?

By the first two letters, calculate the region of Ukraine (the list is on the net), it is most likely that the cars are from new territories. However, if the minibuses Kyiv-Moscow go, then why can't cars pass too?

[Fangaro]

Commenting on the possibility of arming the territorial defense units created in the regions, the general said that for this it is necessary to give them some kind of legal status. As one of the options, he suggested linking the defense units to local departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. According to him, the idea with the armament of the terodefense is correct, but it needs to be finalized.

But about 3000 in 7 battalions, which have been trained in the Belgorod region since November 2022, it has already been said. And now it's time to think about what status to give them.
It hasn't even been six months. (((

[Alexey Sommer]

Reading news like this makes it even scarier!
The most important thing is that all these generals will fly off to Paris when you are boiling in Russia.
"Everything is rotten in the Kingdom of Denmark" (c)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

The most important thing is that all these generals will fly off to Paris when you are boiling in Russia.

The velvets can and do fly away , and this stake and the gallows in the West shines, at best, for life. But degradation simply does not allow them to understand this, and if it does, then it no longer allows them to take adequate and timely measures ...

[samarin1969]

Why this blurred responsibility. The army must hold the perimeter. The state must guarantee the resource and rear for this. NATO is not an adversary that can be defeated by "expeditionary forces".

[ada]

The legislation of the Russian Federation defines everything that needs to be done. No desire to perform? It will come.

[AdAstra]

Oh circus, by God. And then let's disband the Ministry of Defense, the Federal Border Guard Service, the National Guard, and why are they, if there is a "ter.defense"? Well, why? For certain people to occupy warm and comfortable chairs with good financial and other security, and then with the same pension, but at the same time do nothing and are not responsible for anything?

[AMG]

Comrade General! There is experience, and earlier, proven and effective. Protection of the Soviet-Chinese and Soviet-Afghan borders in due time. Contact the veterans of the border troops, they will tell you everything how to do it. And you have to do it quickly. Why a joint headquarters? What will he do? Coordinate? Coordinate? If there are a sufficient number of security forces, gather them together, put on green shoulder straps, arm them properly and give them a single command. There are 5 FSB border institutes and one academy. The question is, who are they preparing? And there will be full-fledged border troops. It is surprising that you, holding such a post, are only now proposing, calling for a decision, waiting for a political decision, and your colleagues, as always, are ready to consider any options.

[your1970]

Quote from AMG

If there are enough security officers, gather them together, put on green shoulder straps

1) there are obviously not enough security forces there
2) do you propose to wear green shoulder straps to the police and the FSB? Who will do their work for them?

The problem is that we just have a shortage of people. A wild shortage ....

[AMG]

Read carefully. The general said that there is, their activities only need to be united by the headquarters. People can be gathered from everywhere, and not only put on green shoulder straps, but also put together into combat-ready units and units, and train BORDER activities. This will take a maximum of six months. It can be diluted with conscripts, because they will operate on their territory. territory. Accordingly, arm, provide communications. It will be much better than creating and arming a terrorist defense, where someone once served, someone is not fit for health, and someone cannot be given weapons in their hands. We need to build a real border. It will not soon become the border of "friendship".

[Oleg Ogorod]

There should be border guards on the border, and a little deeper there should be army fortifications with fortifications, including buried old tanks, reinforced with concrete, which can be used as artillery, at checkpoints and breakthrough directions. A similar experience was in the Far East and in Transbaikalia. URs were staffed, rolled up by state, for example, URs were constantly only 500 people, but during deployment and mobilization, the number reached 5000 military personnel. In the warehouses of the UR there was everything for the deployment of a fortified area, and various weapons, and uniforms and food. But then there were no hostilities, but only a possible threat of them.
Now there are full-scale hostilities with a neighboring country.
Regarding the distribution of weapons to certain formations of territorial defense, do you remember how much criticism there was that Kyiv began to distribute weapons to everyone from the so-called territorial defense? That it supposedly began to fall into the hands of bandits.
Do we want to step on the same rake?
In addition to the fortified areas, where, among other things, on alert, local mobilized and PRE-TRAINED citizens themselves should arrive (this is important!), And only there they receive weapons, as was organized in Transbaikalia and the Far East, should there still be armed forces of rapid response, within an hour ready to arrive on the spot and join the battle.
Isn't that what we have now?

[Uprun]

The NTOT company in OPULAB as part of the UR is already a story that ended in the early 90s. Then the border was definitely locked - I know, I saw, I served.

[Oleg Ogorod]

Fortified areas are now not the past. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, as they were practically on the outskirts of Donetsk, are still there. And 1,5 years have passed for the NVO to protect Donbass from Bandera.

[AMG]

Comrade General! The Fatherland is in danger!

[Petr_Koldunov]

What, nafig, WHO??? Our border areas include the REGULAR ARMY OF THE ENEMY COUNTRY with which we have a military conflict! It enters with heavy weapons, according to a plan thought out and developed at the headquarters. What is it about WHO? This requires a full-fledged military operation and the introduction of martial law, which provides for enhanced military protection of the border with an enemy state that is waging war with us ... and not the CTO regime!

[Wildcat]

includes REGULAR ARMY OF ENEMY COUNTRY

and the army, and not the "joint headquarters", should meet it.

I don’t understand how the idea will be implemented to recruit certain formations “from the locals” and “to arm the territorial defense units created in the regions.” And how will they serve, with weapons at home and at work, or still with a "break from work"? And they must be taught somehow and somewhere in the military specialty, separately and as part of a unit? And with what weapon, if the enemy is with tanks and another BT? And what is the plan, "take an AK, 4" horns "and run to the sound of tank shots"?

I don’t understand anything, well, on the territory of the Russian Federation, can you use units from “conscripts”? They have served at least half a year, they are trained and armed, they are organized into units, they have a command. Or is it already necessary to collect volunteers in houses / apartments, "if anything"?

IMHO, of course, but it is army units that are needed for battles with the army. And if we want to win, then these units must have greater situational awareness, controllability, firepower and surpass the enemy in mobility. Miracles do not happen - whoever is better prepared wins.

The general suggested not to look for some complicated solutions to the situation with the protection of the borders with Ukraine, but to use the already existing experience. According to him, in the same Belgorod region there are a sufficient number of security officials from various departments, but they do not have a single command. Therefore, it is necessary to create a joint headquarters, which will include representatives of all law enforcement agencies, so it will coordinate all actions.
The Ministry of Defense has experience in creating such headquarters, suffice it to recall the conduct of counter-terrorist operations in the North Caucasus.

Doesn't it seem to the general that the experience of catching or destroying groups of various characters with portable weapons is not entirely applicable to the NMD, where tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people are fighting with armored vehicles, artillery and aircraft?
The conclusion is that it is quite possible to make a battalion out of the State Duma.

"AMG
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There are 5 FSB border institutes and one academy."- by the way, are there trained officers for at least six battalions?

[Yarik]

Bureaucrats are looking for office. acceptable excuses not to give weapons to the militia. They are very much afraid of the people with weapons, it turns out that more than the enemy with weapons.

[former soldier]

Bureaucrats are looking for office. acceptable excuses not to give weapons to the militia. They are very much afraid of the people with weapons, it turns out that more than the enemy with weapons.

I don’t know who is afraid of whom, but according to the statistics of serious criminal offenses against a person, 80% are serious bodily injuries and domestic murders, i.e. between neighbours, friends and relatives. In the vast majority of cases, they act with what comes to hand. And if the firearm is on hand? How much do you think the number of serious crimes against a person will increase just among close people? About org. crime in general is silent.

[hhurik]

One Day
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[Veps947]

Comment on all the garazdy, all the smart commentators, why not on the front, all the brave strategists from the couch.

[Oleg Ogorod]

Especially from the sofa of the State Duma.
But everyone has their own sofa. Even in the ministry.

[mixail sherbakov]

It's not funny. It's scary. THERE IS NO BORDER with a hostile state. There is a FRONT LINE.

[Codett]

This should have been done yesterday, they are there without brains or something, I thought they did it a long time ago, and preferably earlier, because you need to calculate all the scenarios for the development of events, something is rotten in the Danish kingdom. As I understand it, they are afraid to create a militia, it seems that our authorities are more afraid of their people than enemies, or they don’t understand that the people have a question for the leadership about who is to blame and why this was allowed, and everything can end like in 1917.