How to further protect your border?

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How to further protect your border?

We think to start with two small excursions to history. On March 2, a group of armed people from the territory of Ukraine entered the villages of Sushany and Lyubechany in the Bryansk region. The usual "PR campaign", it was possible not to shoot at anyone, there was no real need for this.

Responsibility for this was taken by the "Russian Volunteer Corps", three dozen clowns, who seem to be fighting on the side of Ukraine.



In fact, they went in, arranged a selfie session against the backdrop of the mail and quickly hit the road until those who can really hang on the faces jumped up. Still, shaking machine guns in front of absolutely unarmed villagers is one thing, and even conscripts from the Russian army are quite another.

However, this action showed that the castle, on which our border should be, is either rusty or sawn in half near the arch. It doesn't matter, the main thing is that it doesn't hold. And already on April 26 (the music didn’t play for long, so to speak), our chief defense officer in the Duma, Mr. Kartapolov, gave a simply wonderful interview in which he said that the citizens themselves should defend the border.

“Unfortunately, we now do not have such opportunities as in the Soviet Union, when the entire country along the perimeter was guarded by military units of the border troops of the USSR. Therefore, now there are somewhat different ways of protecting borders. But to involve the local population on a voluntary basis, in my opinion, this is quite realistic and understandable. This is practiced in many countries."
(From an interview with URA.ru)


Recent events have shown this to be the case. The border service of the FSB of Russia could not do anything with those who entered the territory of the Belgorod region for several reasons, the main of which is the complete lack of information about what is happening a kilometer on the other side of the border.


And in the form in which it exists, the PS of the FSB of the Russian Federation simply cannot guard and defend the border. She does not have the strength and opportunity for this, but we will talk about this in the continuation of this article. The border service is completely likened to customs, only it does not deal with cargo and luggage, but with documents.

However, we will talk about the border troops and the border service separately, in the next article.

The subtlety is that legally Russia is not at war with Ukraine. NWO is not a war, it is, as they say today, something else. And it means that the border continues to be covered by border units, which, according to all Charters and norms, should stand on the border only in peacetime. But since there is no war, it is the border guards who are standing, not the army.

And just the attack of saboteurs can be repelled by the border guards, for this they are being trained. And when a battalion breaks across the border with tanks with the support of artillery - sorry, what are the expectations from the border guards, who do not even have anti-tank grenade launchers?

The army also does not make claims, the army, it reacts. And of course, the military is simply not trained in the work that was the norm for Soviet border guards. There will be a breakthrough - there will be a reaction. Days in our case reacted.

Protect the border with the forces of local residents ... Territorial defense, border militia, or whatever else you can call it. Quite a possible option. Like mercenaries and volunteers instead of the regular army.

However, this territorial defense, in order for it to be able to defend at least something, needs to be equipped, equipped, armed and trained. Otherwise, this is not territorial defense, but live targets.

Yes, back in 2022, Secretary of the United Russia General Council Andrey Turchak proposed to Russian President Vladimir Putin to give the fighters of the territorial defense of voluntary people's squads the right to wear weapons. But…

Let's take a break.

A very important question: against whom will this Teroborona act?


And immediately put aside the frank agitation of the notorious RDK, the "Russian volunteer corps." Corps is too big a name for such a formation. We know that on the other side there are those who want to fight for Ukraine against Russia from among the citizens of the former USSR / CIS, and in no case do we dispute their existence. However, we will not talk about "corps" and "legions". Simply because, on the basis of the materials studied, they simultaneously came to the conclusion that the so-called RDK is a structure in terms of numbers approximately equal to a platoon and nothing more. And even fewer people were shown on cameras.

However, the RDK is an excellent screen behind which anyone can work, without any embarrassment in funds. And, judging by the way it is happening now in the Belgorod region, it’s not at all oppositionists from among Putin’s Russian opponents who have entered there. There are quite normal servicemen there, most likely from among the forces of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

There are no fools sitting in the USA, we have been hammering this for a long time. And they teach their Padawans from the Armed Forces of Ukraine firmly and reliably. It's just the way they're supposed to be: to drive everything into your head so that everything ricochets without a helmet. We tried it in the Bryansk region - it worked. We realized that it is possible to work this way, which means that it is necessary.

By the way, the corpses that were then left after the clash were never identified, which made it possible for the Ukrainian side to say that they were Russian collaborators. This means that Russia's internal affair, and they have nothing to do with it at all.

And here is exactly the same scenario, on the frames of the content that Ukrainians drive almost live, run and ride several scumbags already familiar from the Bryansk region. The remaining 390 people prefer to do their job "not sticking out."

But they do it loudly. The fact that visitors are hung with cameras and transmitting information almost in the live reporting mode allows them to complete their main task. And what is the main task of the Ukrainian command? That's right, level the loss of Bakhmut.

So, this task is not only completed, it is over-fulfilled with a vengeance. The Ukrainian news segment is simply filled with reports from the Belgorod region, and Bakhmut is no longer felt so brightly. Moreover, for the last six months, it was already clear that he could not be kept. Let's just say that in Ukraine everyone has gradually got used to the fact that Bakhmut will have to be left. And here's your counterattack.

After all, it is clear that those who enter Russian territory will not stay there for a long time. No need. While the units of the same 3rd Motor Rifle Division remaining in the PPD are trying to knock them out, they will pretend that they are violently resisting, and as soon as they smell of fried food, they will withdraw and leave. Having inflicted as much damage as possible on the enemy, of course, but the damage that they caused in terms of information, it will be disproportionately greater.

The eternal question: who is to blame and what to do?


Here it is already worth talking about Teroborone, the militia, partisan detachments and everything else.


We have the defense, but we don't have it. Yes, there is a Decree of the President of Russia dated October 19, 2022, and much is written in it, except for one. About the armament of Teroborona. Not a word, not half a word. Responsibilities, job opportunities, a lot of things. But who will give the Teroborona fighters weapons, in what quantities and qualities - nothing.

One could cite Ukraine as an example. Yes, at one time our media and bloggers had plenty of fun the news on the topic of handing out weapons from cars in Kyiv. And that now, from tomorrow, an unprecedented rampage of terrorism and crime will begin, Kyiv will choke in obscurantism, and so on.


However, today we can state the fact that, yes, there was a surge in criminal events in Ukraine, but far from the one predicted by Russian experts. But a decent number of brigades were formed, which took the main blow, including in Mariupol and Bakhmut. And then, somehow, the differences between the Teroboronov fighters and the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were erased.

As for crime, there was a case, a certain amount of weapons fell into criminal structures. But in any case, it is incomparable with the numbers that have flowed from the ATO zone all these years. Remember, the information that another ATO veteran staged a fire show with the help of a removed grenade did not surprise anyone?

That is, the Ukrainian government took a very controversial step: it entrusted weapons to its people. How correct this step turned out to be, we will not discuss now, since our tasks are somewhat different.

We have Territorial Defense on paper. That is, headquarters have been created in a bunch of regions, commanders have been appointed who receive salaries, but there are no units themselves! The Republic of Mari El, Khabarovsk Territory, Chukotka, Tver Region are the leaders in the "organization" of Teroborona. Of course, it is very important for these regions to create such subdivisions, they are so close to the NWO zone…

And the units, if they are created, what's the point in them? They created it in the Belgorod region, so what? With what did the TO fighters have to meet these "saboteurs" on tanks and armored personnel carriers? With pitchforks and shovels?

Without weapons, everything looks absolutely meaningless.


A year ago, it would have been possible to take the mines of Soledar and extract the same SKS and PPS-43 from them, it would have been enough if there were not enough AKs. But today it's too late, as everyone was convinced, the "saboteurs" move quite normally on tanks and armored vehicles. And for this, the shooter is frankly not enough.

And even today, the stories of border guards have already been posted in the “telegram”, who could not oppose anything to the tanks and armored personnel carriers of the enemy. They didn't even have grenade launchers...

The picture is just like that. 10 billion rubles were spent on the creation of a certain line of defense, which cannot protect or defend anything, because the enemy is not a fool. Using intelligence and copter data, he traveled along completely unguarded roads to where he needed to go.

Block post? Yes, the one from the insanely hot summer of 2014? Where were the militias, armed with something, but - armed! No, apparently, this is simply unattainable in our realities.


And it should be. There should be not only commanders and headquarters of fictitious subunits, there should be subunits themselves. Not only armed and equipped, but also trained, under the command of sane commanders. And then it will really be a defense that you can count on.

But things don't look so rosy here. Here is a regular on Vladimir Solovyov's talk show, Sergei Karnaukhov, who is already saying that since we have not created a buffer zone on Ukrainian territory, we must ... create it on our own! That is, in addition to residents of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, tens of thousands more residents of the Bryansk, Kursk, Belgorod and Voronezh regions should lose their homes.

Which, by the way, are already ready to fight for their land, if they are given such an opportunity.

These are not the most pleasant times for some citizens of our country. And, if the state is not able to protect them, to defend the borders of the country, then there, in Moscow, the relevant persons required finally think about what is happening and make decisions about trusting your people. Or justify the trust of their people who elected them and fulfill their duty to the citizens of the Russian Federation in accordance with the articles of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
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  1. +29
    24 May 2023 04: 52
    I agree with many things, but in principle I don’t understand the creation of territorial defense units to protect border areas. If only because such units should don't defend yourself these areas, and help protect them regular formations. And in this case, such detachments will have enough small arms to support the National Guard / border detachments / forces of the RF Armed Forces - no matter who. The independent use of territorial defense detachments, from local residents, even if they once served in the Armed Forces of the USSR / RF, will not lead to a tightly closed border.
    It is quite possible to close and protect the country's borders the way it was under the USSR. All that is needed is the will of the leadership, and not the planting of new technologies everywhere, but a return to Soviet methods. Video cameras are a good thing, but how can a video camera stop not only a tank or an armored personnel carrier, but a group of several people? How long would it take to apprehend a person caught on video if a rapid response force is a couple of hours away? After all, he still needs to be found. In two or three hours, he will not have time to lay a mine on the highway or on the railway tracks and go back? ..
    In short, the border must be defended not with cameras and sensors, but with units of well-trained fighters. At least - on the site with Ukraine.
    1. +22
      24 May 2023 05: 06
      if only they had guarded the border like that in 1941 ... the story could have turned out differently.
      1. +2
        24 May 2023 07: 01
        Let's take a look at this entire border line from the LDNR to Belarus together. A broken line of a very complex configuration, passing hundreds of kilometers through dense fields-forests and in some places right along the points. To cover all this in the style of the USSR state border, and even so that even an attack by an enemy detachment of hundreds of people with armor and artillery would not pass - how much equipment and infrastructure personnel are needed?
        Yes, probably it would be possible to resettle the border strip. The proposal to dig trenches for 750 km and place in them a large number of trained and professional personnel equipped with all the necessary weapons, who would sit there for years and not even let a mouse into our territory - it is a little beyond and somewhere in the field of computer games ...
        1. -5
          24 May 2023 08: 04
          it is necessary to burn the forests on the other side of the border so that there is a field 10 km
          1. +17
            24 May 2023 08: 54
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            it is necessary to burn the forests on the other side of the border so that there is a field 10 km

            And mine. Be sure to throw Petals.
            The government does not trust its people. Under the tsars, armed Cossacks lived on the borders. Try to seep?
            1. +8
              24 May 2023 09: 07
              Quote: Bearded
              And mine. Be sure to throw Petals.
              They also throw back. Because of these petals, the demand (with a price tag) for NATO "Lowa" boots has skyrocketed
              1. +7
                24 May 2023 12: 50
                Because of these petals, the demand (with a price tag) for NATO "Lowa" boots has skyrocketed

                Naive buyers will believe that this will save their foot.
                Just in the April issue of the ZVO there was an article about specialized explosion-proof footwear.
                Even like this

                does not prevent injury when undermining 25 grams of TNT, at 30 - amputation of the foot.
            2. +26
              24 May 2023 09: 12
              Don't give people weapons! Otherwise, he can turn it back to where he turned 100 years ago!!!
              1. +19
                24 May 2023 10: 39
                And I see another problem in this NWO. This is the task of local self-defense .. It’s really outweighed from a sore head to a healthy one. "Saving the drowning is the business of the drowning themselves" .. Okay, there are no funds and forces to protect the border .. But aviation they used it on those who broke through six hours after the breakthrough .. Did you fly from the Far East?
                1. +3
                  24 May 2023 14: 51
                  Yeah, and obviously they flew over the South Pole.
              2. +3
                24 May 2023 22: 24
                If you don’t distribute it despite what is happening now, he can take it himself, and turn in the same direction even faster
            3. +7
              24 May 2023 10: 57
              Quote: Bearded
              Under the tsars, armed Cossacks lived on the borders. Try to seep?

              Cossacks are good against DRGs. And it’s not a fact that they won’t let them through for a small share - the Amur Cossacks in the Empire in just ten years have firmly become friends with smugglers and other criminal elements. A noteworthy fact: after the border in those parts was transferred under the control of the OKPS, the treasury's income from the sale of vodka soared by an order of magnitude - before that, smuggling flowed through the guarded border.

              The problem is that it is no longer the DRGs that are coming from the other side, but the company tactical groups. Against which Cossack detachments with light weapons scattered along the border will be useless.
              1. +5
                24 May 2023 22: 57
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The problem is that it is no longer the DRGs that are coming from the other side, but the company tactical groups.

                This is just a test of strength. And this test showed that we have ... a very soft place there. And what would happen if not a reinforced company or even a battalion crossed the border, but a brigade? And if not one? Where would they go?
                And if they captured several settlements and fortified in them? With hostage taking? And they began to saturate the occupied zone with troops? After all, do they have enough trained personnel not only for the fronts in the Donbass and Kherson?
                What the government of the Russian Federation does (or rather does not do) is simply incomprehensible to the mind, if taken seriously. Hence the question - is it stupidity and laziness, or something completely different?
                Is it scary to give the People weapons?
                And what kind of power is this, which is more afraid of its People than of an external Enemy?
                They stumbled some kind of "dragon's teeth", something even seemed to be mined ... And? And did not even think to saturate these positions with troops? Didn't they even set up checkpoints on the roads? Were you even too lazy to organize a normal border service?
                Or is it not laziness?
                Who is responsible for the State Border?
                FSB?
                So maybe this competent organization should have taken up this matter? And if the towers are too lazy or feel sorry for the money for normal Border Troops, then at least they organized territorial defense in the border areas with used ones? If the coveted "Little Army" is unable to provide reliable cover for the State Border ... maybe it's worth INCREASING it?
                For Geography is Destiny!
                Well, SUCH borders in Russia are very, very long. And neither the "Little Army", nor the amusing border guards, who are only capable of providing a passport regime, ... you can't cover ... you can't protect ... No matter how the towers SAVE on defense, this will not add peace to the neighbors. But it MUST provoke. And in a state of ACTUAL war (with a strange name), to count that the enemy at war with you ... DOES NOT DARE ... how anomalous is the psyche one must have ??
                But we have.
                Or quite in Ukrainian - "Shche maemo, then maemo".
                ... "The Second Army of the World" ...
                And tomorrow, not a reinforced company, but a couple of battalion tactical groups will enter the Bryansk Forests. And do not let Ahura Mazda (Lord of Reason) capture something ... For example, some CITY. And a couple of brigades will follow them to reinforce ...
                If it took so long to react in the Belgorod region, then when will forces adequate to the threat arrive at the new breakthrough site?
                And what will be the consequences?
                Does the Russian Federation have no money for its Army?
                But oddly enough, she has a lot of money for several million OFFICIALS. No. So maybe that's where the money goes?
                And if the towers believe that they are going THERE, then maybe these millions of officials can be mobilized - they are "servants of the People" after all. what Or not ? So let them serve.
                And if "NO", then even more so it is they who should be mobilized, for what is the use of those who are "not a servant", but they also receive a lot of money, and have an appropriate status.
                Or again "NO"?
                It somehow turns out strange ... The authorities cannot ensure security, the Army does not want to have an appropriate threat (in a state of war, which is also "no"), put a new "aristocracy" under arms ... does not even think ..., and even to give weapons to the People of Russia, for the sake of protecting their Country and Motherland, he also categorically refuses ... what Isn't this the kind of power that "lives on another planet"? In the Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk regions, about 300 thousand groups should be deployed to stop the threats of an enemy offensive, this is about a thousand kilometers. And there are forests...
        2. Qas
          +20
          24 May 2023 11: 24
          Why do we pay taxes? Why do we keep armies of generals? To take a rifle bike and defend your house from the enemy, and these generals will remain generals, and no one is responsible for anything?
      2. +1
        24 May 2023 16: 23
        You know, I'm probably repeating myself, but...

        If in this matter, precisely at the conceptual level, we separate "flies from cutlets", then it is effective to fend off and, even, "cover", from this kind of raid, EVEN ONE SINGLE armed and equipped company-level group, reinforced by a couple of dozen armored vehicles, including heavy (tank), TODAY NOT ONE COUNTRY of the so-called. "NATO". Moreover, -, ON ANY of the areas of contact of this last relic of the Cold War with the Russian border. Starting from the father of the gypsy Bucharest, to limitrophy in the Baltic ...

        Despite all their "border services" and "militia" deployed in the border areas...

        "Skip" for a day - one and a half, in any of the border villages or settlements, at a distance of 1 km - 5 km from the border (and they are all over the perimeter to a fig, by the way ...) and "bounce" back, "making noise with shooting "and "promoted" at a fast pace, in front of the lenses, perhaps not only "toward Russia" and not only on the existing NWO LS, 1 km long ...

        And, in the context of the NATO relic, ON THE ENTIRE perimeter from the Black Sea to the Baltic ...

        But I agree that in the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the local population, capable and ready to bear arms, must be promptly taken into account, organized, trained and armed, FOR ALL TIME, up to the VICTORIOUS end of hostilities ...

        For no one knows better than the locals the current situation in "their glade" and the territories "adjacent" to it ... For in such cases and conditions, it is the so-called. "people of the minute" is the first barrier that is able and ready to "greet with fire" any uninvited guests...

        Let's look at the "history of formation" of the same Soviet border in the 20s - early 30s ...

        In the West, armed gangs with hundreds of barrels, on carts and with machine guns, invaded from neighboring territories - the same Poland and captured Soviet border villages, even small towns more than once ...

        In Central Asia, gangs of Basmachi (now, "anti-Taliban", the so-called "Northern Alliance" ...) numbering in the hundreds, even thousands of sabers and bayonets, invaded from neighboring Afghanistan, into Soviet territory, dragged until the early 30s ...

        Something similar, FOR YEARS, was "seen" on the Far Eastern border ...

        You will laugh, but beyond the "ocean" to the "advanced" States, from the side of the same Mexico, THOUSANDS of "seekers of a better life" (with them "messengers of drug cartels" ...), EVERY YEAR, invade ...

        By the way, the perimeter of THEIR REGULAR invasion is unlikely to exceed the length of the current LAN in Novorossia ...

        Someone believes that "if they were armed, equipped and, moreover, equipped with armored vehicles", then the same States, or any other "NATO" with such "surges" would "handle" faster and more efficiently? ..

        And I strongly doubt this. It's just that the "opponents" of the States and the "Europeans" do not set themselves such a task. Anyway, until...

        And the "dissatisfied with the regime" Americans and "Europeans" for this are not yet collected, prepared, armed and equipped ...

        Distribute the same Old Man, say, two years ago, to the same refugees from Iraq, Syria, bursting into the so-called. "Europe" across the border of borders and Poland, from Belarus, etc. the same "firearm" (and pretending, like - "I have nothing to do with it, they "came with it themselves" ...), I would see how the local "border services" coped with them "effectively" ...

        By the way, the same tunnel under the Channel, so armed "refugees from Morocco", to seize and mine, as they say, - on the "count of times" ...

        But for now, once again, I repeat, the fastest and most effective "pill" is the armament of the male part of the adult local population capable of carrying and using weapons ... They will be the first to defend "their native clearing" without delay, always ...
        1. -2
          24 May 2023 16: 38
          I'll emphasize...

          Now, while the NMD has not yet been completed by the complete and irreversible achievement of its goal and the solution of its main tasks, the very "stable arrangement" of the Russian border is fundamentally, simply impossible ...

          Since no one knows on what part of the territory of the former united Ukraine, this border will be established by RUSSIA. It cannot be ruled out that objective circumstances will force it to be carried out "a little to the west" of the so-called memorable. Curzon Lines...

          And this path, necessary, will be very long and difficult...
    2. +4
      24 May 2023 09: 11
      If we talk about divisions, then in THEORY everything is not so complicated. At the border itself, there should be groups of observers (machine gunner + sniper + ATGM operator) every 500 - 1000 meters, depending on the rough terrain and visibility. They have a link with a permanent readiness motorized maneuver group with reinforcements. 650 km border = 1300 groups or 3900 people. Taking into account shift rotation (1 time per day - day and night), this is 7800 people. Taking into account holidays and layoffs, this is 11 people, i.e. a full-fledged division with an oversaturated range of expensive equipment (ATGM installations, sniper systems, thermal imagers, communications equipment - 700 each per division). Plus, motorized maneuver groups of at least a company - an average of 1300 group per 1 km of the border for a more or less adequate response = another 10 people with appropriate armored vehicles and equipment, their places of deployment. In practice, a non-trivial task, right? You can try to simplify - to replace part of the groups of observers with cameras, but then the possibility of an instant defeat of the observed target will be excluded. As an option, make fewer motorized maneuver groups or exclude them altogether, relying on the regular units of the Ministry of Defense stationed in the area, but then you need to create a helicopter group with a constant-readiness landing force, including anti-tank weapons. Such groups need to allocate materiel (helicopters), basing and deployment sites. In PRACTICE, this is not so simple, to put it mildly, as it seems at first glance.
      1. +6
        24 May 2023 09: 25
        Go ahead. Let's say we pulled ourselves together and we did all this. With current technology, it will not be difficult for the enemy to track down such a group or several adjacent groups and nightmare them with UAV drops, forcing them to leave their positions, and then launch the DRG into this gap. So it is necessary to cover each group with electronic warfare equipment, and it is also desirable to have counter-battery capabilities. We simply come to the conclusion that in order to protect the border it is necessary to deploy full-fledged army formations on it (as the forelocks did, waiting for our alleged invasion from new sections of the border). Now they are forcing us to do the same. Therefore, we have the following choice - to remove units from the SVO and deploy at the border, or to put new units from conscripts (who are not involved in the SVO) at the border, or to endure such sorties and each time put out the fire with local response means, as was the case in Belgorod.
        1. +3
          24 May 2023 09: 33
          The task set to a large extent could be solved by total mixed remote mining (anti-personnel + anti-tank mines) of territories from Ukraine. Then it would be necessary to cover only roads, including country roads, with surveillance zones, and control the rest of the territories with video cameras or drones.
          1. Qas
            +4
            24 May 2023 11: 28
            Do you feel sorry for the animal? Nobody will tell him that the territory is mined.
            Maybe enough nonsense to wave? Why do we need an army at all? Warehouses to guard and "Hurray" at the parades to yell?
          2. -1
            24 May 2023 18: 32
            The task can be easily solved by technical means and brains. If the border is dug up and there are iron hedgehogs everywhere, then foot violators will not run far from the place of penetration. And a drone with a thermal imager should fly to the place where the camera is turned off. Behind which some orion with birds should fly, and behind it a pair of Mi-24s with a cleansing team. Putting small patrols every 5 km is the level of the 19th century
            1. RMT
              -1
              26 May 2023 13: 51
              The camera hangs and no one is around. Feels my heart, someone will steal it!
        2. -6
          24 May 2023 11: 17
          I look at the wise men in uniform and wonder: every gopher is an agronomist in the field. The blow should be one - in the center of Kueva. Tactical nuclear. All. Well ... We need more in Lviv, Khmelnitsky and Ivano-Frankivsk. On them two or three nuclear charges. For Svidomo is not a pity. All. As soon as the boar dies in his barn, they will run home.
      2. +6
        24 May 2023 09: 31
        Tasks of any complexity must be solved by the state, which is in confrontation with the aggressor. Protecting his territory and the people living there is his duty. In our country, behind high fences, under the protection of private armies, only the nouveau riche, plunderers of socialist property, are safe.
    3. AAK
      +7
      24 May 2023 14: 10
      It is certainly right to help, but this is if there is someone to help, and if there is no one, then what to do, not to help ?! 15 months of the NMD clearly showed that with the troops, let’s say, it’s rather rotten, especially with the troops on our territory ... and conscripts, the same shkolota in uniform, are no saviors, they themselves will have to be saved, all the more for the loss of "won-well children" their mothers will devour at least a "baptized governor" without oil and salt, but we will need to protect not abstract Russia, but specifically our loved ones and our homes. I don’t take “mainland” Russia, there, roughly speaking, there is where to retreat, although it is the locals who would also defend their homes and families, I will talk about the place where I live, about Crimea. Based on Bandera’s statements, we are the most desirable target, there is nowhere to retreat, behind houses and relatives, and you can’t run away across the bridge ... however, based on the number of people living there, not just draft-age residents, but at least capable military and MVD officers pensioners, it is quite possible to form 3-4 brigades, albeit not young, but quite motivated and not yet completely forgotten what needs to be done on either side of the front sight of soldiers. Death itself is not joyful, but sooner or later, no one will be able to avoid it, much worse - death without the possibility of resistance, helplessness and the inability to do at least something to protect loved ones, but here the author and many colleagues are absolutely right - the question is organization and with the armament of the territorial militia began to be considered only just and somehow very timidly. Unfortunately, we can no longer fully rely on the armed forces, but the authorities seem to be more afraid of us with weapons than Bandera terrorists ...
    4. -2
      25 May 2023 00: 11
      I will describe to you a very simple way to protect the borders in the NWO zone. On all roads and trails, it is necessary to place camouflaged video recording equipment and create departments to monitor the image from these facilities 24 hours a day. Not far from the border, UAVs with detection and target designation systems should be on duty in shifts. 24 hours, changing each other. Moreover, in addition to reconnaissance UAVs, attack UAVs should constantly circle in the sky, which will be the first means of combating identified DRGs. It is necessary to single out several rapid-reaction attack and bomber aviation formations that could quickly fill up the infiltrated enemy with high-precision FABAs based on target designation from reconnaissance UAVs. This is the only way to quickly stop the convoy of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles with Ukronazis on the march towards the next Russian border checkpoint. Ideally, camouflaged remote-controlled dug-in combat modules, which are controlled by operators in shift mode 24 hours a day, should be installed on border roads and trails. As far as I remember, remote-controlled machine guns, autocannons and anti-tank systems were advertised by the Russian military-industrial complex already in the 90s. Where is it all??? Isn't that pretty easy to do with modern technology? Just imagine. A column of Ukronazis in infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers crosses the border along the road. They are detected by detection systems. While loitering reconnaissance UAVs with different detection and target designation systems identify and locate the armored group, they are already met by camouflaged remotely controlled dug-in modules with autocannons and anti-tank systems along the way. Already on the march, without even using aircraft, you can do a bunch of losses to a moving column. Further, "dear guests" are met by strike UAVs, kamikaze drones and assault-bomber aircraft. I assure you, all that remains of the DRG will turn around and go back to itself. In 50% of cases, even ground troops will not have to be used. But the main problem of the Russian army is that over the past 20 years it has not had NONE of the above in any sane quantities.
  2. +23
    24 May 2023 05: 04
    We have the defense, but we don't have it. Yes, the Decree of the President of Russia of October 19, 2022 is
    The main thing is the Decree! - And let the Nazis be afraid! soldier
    1. +25
      24 May 2023 05: 26
      Nope ... The main thing is when the money will be allocated. For, according to the holy confidence of our leaders, this magic formula is able to instantly resolve any problem.
      1. +30
        24 May 2023 07: 37
        The guys about the mess that is going on in the army spoke a year ago Strelkov, but he was accused of guarding - patriotism! Now Prigozhin is talking about this, and he is accused of some kind of political ambitions! Maybe the accusers should just SHUT UP!!! EVEN THE BELGOROD GOVERNOR BREAKED TODAY!!! What does the front door of our native MO! AND WHERE IS THE SUPREME POWER LOOKING!??? Maybe this is such a cunning plan (on the collapse of Russia)? We had one that we believed and then hated! And he calmly advertised pizza in Germany !!! AND NOTHING QUIETLY GIVED INTERVIEW AND LOOKED INTO PEOPLE'S EYES! AND FOR THE COUNTRY PARTICULARLY DID NOT EXPERIENCE!!! And what is happening with us, talk to the mobilized, if there is an opportunity, you will discover a lot for yourself !!!
        1. +10
          24 May 2023 08: 07
          Look in the cart how General Lapin leads our SOLDIERS in the BO! IT'S JUST SOMETHING!!! YES GENERAL FELLOW!!! BUT GO FORWARD OF THE FIGHTERS WHO ARE TERRIBLY CLICKING TO THE FENCE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! WHERE ARE COMMANDERS RANKED BELOW???!!! WHERE THE PREPARED AND MOTIVATED FIGHTERS!!! NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!??? IF THIS IS NOT A POSTING, AND IF A POSTING, THEN EVERYTHING IS VERY STUPID!!!
          1. +6
            24 May 2023 09: 02
            Quote: Sid2014
            Look in the cart how General Lapin leads our SOLDIERS in the BO! IT'S JUST SOMETHING!!! YES GENERAL FELLOW!!! BUT GO FORWARD OF THE FIGHTERS WHO ARE TERRIBLY CLICKING TO THE FENCE AND DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! WHERE ARE COMMANDERS RANKED BELOW???!!! WHERE THE PREPARED AND MOTIVATED FIGHTERS!!! NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!??? IF THIS IS NOT A POSTING, AND IF A POSTING, THEN EVERYTHING IS VERY STUPID!!!

            It looks like a staging. He even goes unarmed. If there was a real ambush in the village, then it would be great to throw two advancing columns from both sides. They would lure them deeper and roll them out on both sides. The video does not show any side guards. Although they hardly attacked without head patrol. And if drones with VOGs? Goodbye guard crew. am
            1. +8
              24 May 2023 10: 45
              It looks like a staging! But whoever does this, tear off his hands and put them in there along with the camera! It turns out that we can’t even make a video for the people, and you say win the war! But I'm so ... It's just that evil takes over the country !!! And the time of Chapaev, who knows what I'm about, alas, has passed !!!
            2. -1
              24 May 2023 22: 29
              Yes, this is purely blatant PR, he didn’t even have Makar, he was going to fight, yeah
          2. +2
            24 May 2023 21: 00
            Quote: Sid2014
            YES GENERAL FELLOW!!! BUT GO FORWARD OF THE FIGHTERS, WHO ARE TERRIBLY PUSHING TO THE FENCE


            Still, they should not shrink if they are led by the genius of Belogorovka.
        2. -1
          24 May 2023 08: 23
          pizza. Have you ever tried this dish?
          1. +4
            24 May 2023 08: 28
            Pizza or pizza! No, what is it? The first time I've heard! I have never been to Italy, but in the village there is only sour cabbage soup, and onions with milk !!!
        3. -3
          24 May 2023 09: 24
          he is accused of some kind of political ambitions!

          And what is wrong with the political ambitions of a person who has already proved by deed that he can and wants to do at least something for the good of the Motherland? what
  3. +19
    24 May 2023 05: 13
    Since when will the terrorist defense repel an attack better than the border guards. After all, they will have no better weapons than the border guards. Let's admit that there is a very large share of commercialism in the current case. The Soviet beekeeper, handing over money for the plane, did not demand anything in return. I don’t think it will be like this in the future. There is no war, but the demands to introduce wartime laws are very persistent. And some of them are already in effect. As a well-known woman from Donetsk said, "This is the commercial logic of war."
    1. 0
      24 May 2023 22: 33
      If you don’t know, the border troops in the form they were have long since disappeared, they don’t have helicopters, armored personnel carriers, or ATGMs, but nothing at all, the maximum is AKM, their functions have been reduced to checking documents, if any, seadem, 5 tanks, in principle, with all their desire, they cannot do ANYTHING, only die heroically
      1. +1
        25 May 2023 22: 35
        There are btry. There are helicopters. Akm is the last century. The oldest ak74 is now with the border guards. Why write something you have no idea about?
  4. +33
    24 May 2023 05: 15
    I served on the Soviet-Chinese border in Kazakhstan in 81-83. At that time, there were disputed sections on the border. In addition to the line outposts, each border detachment also had a motorized maneuver group of the battalion with reinforcements and an airborne assault group in helicopters for prompt response to breaking through the border. And after all, the PRC and the USSR were not at war. And as for the buffer zone on its territory, at that time it was a border zone with the appropriate regime
    1. +11
      24 May 2023 06: 41
      This scheme of border protection in the USSR.
      Quote: arbitr459gmail.com
      And as for the buffer zone on its territory, at that time it was a border zone with the appropriate regime
      And here you are right. We are again inventing a bicycle instead of a motorcycle
      1. -1
        24 May 2023 06: 47
        In-in ... we are creating a special, border area with all the consequences ... plus an analogue of "SMERSH" working in this area, and we will be happy, damn it .... there is no "brotherly" people there ...
    2. +7
      24 May 2023 08: 27
      Panfilov? Yes I remember. The rules there were strict. The whole muck of the present time is that the social system does not fit in with the principles of security. Somehow like this...
    3. +1
      24 May 2023 17: 03
      I served on the Finnish border in 1995-1997. Everything was the same. Another attached border helicopter aviation. 2 Mi-24s on duty near the border detachment were constantly standing on the helipad. In the middle of the XNUMXs, I was brought to those parts, so not a single border detachment remained, they were all destroyed. The border is now guarded by business travelers from other regions.
  5. +26
    24 May 2023 05: 26
    I'll add some clarifications. That line of defense for 10 lards is not on the ribbon itself, but a little deeper. The enemy is certainly not stupid and climbed where it was easy to crawl through.
    At one time, they made some kind of semi-police non-fish-non-meat out of the Border Troops, such as according to the European model. Now we bite our elbows that in actual wartime conditions such a regime of border protection is unacceptable.
    1. +35
      24 May 2023 07: 58
      ... At one time they made some kind of semi-police non-fish-non-meat out of the Border Troops, such as according to the European model ....

      Everywhere where the hand of the Russian marketers-reformers (optimizers) has touched, there has been a failure.
      Forestry reform - the growth of fires in the forests of Russia.
      Health care reform - an increase in mortality.
      The reform of the pension system - the growth of impoverishment of Russians.
      The reform of higher education is the growth of "underspecialists" in industry.
      Reform of the Army - the growth of the role of PMCs and self-defense units in military conflicts.
      And there is also the Reform of the Aircraft Industry, the Reform of the Machine Tool Industry, the Reform of the Automotive Industry, etc.
      Though where is the benefit of the reforms? Actually, there is. All reforms in Russia were started so that there would be an increase in dollar billionaires and millionaires in RUSSIA. That's all there is to know about the Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie.
      1. +3
        24 May 2023 08: 28
        You can learn about the bourgeoisie by looking at the US military. Or Israel - the Jews also do not have socialism. Apparently, we have different bourgeoisie
        1. +7
          24 May 2023 09: 46
          The bourgeoisie are the same everywhere, criminal and anti-people.
          The combat effectiveness of the IDF soldiers is based on the unabated fear of being erased by numerous hostile environments. Any minute, just give me some slack.
          The US Army is essentially a conquest. Mercenaries imprisoned for robbery. The draft, in Vietnam, did not cope with the task. The farmer's mentality has failed.
          We have similar situations with Israel, in terms of tasks, to defend ourselves, but there is no such understanding that they can crush. Well, neither the population nor, most importantly, the authorities believe in it.
      2. +6
        24 May 2023 09: 27
        That is why the terms liberal and reform - in Rus' nonecha abusive and in a decent society - are not used .. Try for example someone on the bus to call a liberal!
    2. 0
      24 May 2023 17: 05
      So it was done quite recently, about 15 years ago. Optimized.
      And a very unpleasant question arises: "And who is our real enemy."
  6. +9
    24 May 2023 05: 26
    And the units, if they are created, what's the point in them? They created it in the Belgorod region, so what? With what did the TO fighters have to meet these "saboteurs" on tanks and armored personnel carriers? With pitchforks and shovels?

    What does Art. 22 Territorial defense, Law of the Russian Federation of May 31, 1996 No. 61-FZ "On Defense"?
    1. Territorial defense - a system carried out during the period of martial law.
    Russia is at war, martial law declared in the Belgorod and Bryansk regions?

    What is the number of personnel of the Russian Guard in Russia? As I remember, earlier the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia (USSR), operational units for districts in border areas in cases of breakthroughs of the state border were attached to strengthen the PV (PS). For this kind of tasks, the armament of the National Guard is sufficient.
    I repeat more than once, the tasks of the Special Forces units of the same Russian Guard also include conducting anti-sabotage activities.

    Regarding the consequences of the "reform" of the PV in the Federal Border Guard Service without and as part of the FSB of Russia, there have already been many debates, articles about the lack of technical equipment, a small range and outdated weapons, etc.
    By the way, last year, if I’m not mistaken, in May 2022, the head of the FPS, Vladimir Kulishov, gave an interview, the article was published under the heading:
    "Ukraine conducted intensive military preparations and deployed troops in the areas bordering Russia."
    https://rg.ru/2022/05/27/vladimir-kulishov-ukraina-vela-intensivnye-voennye-prigotovleniia-i-razvorachivala-vojska-v-prigranichnyh-s-rossiej-rajonah.html
    1. +2
      24 May 2023 11: 06
      Quote: Lynx2000
      What is the number of personnel of the Russian Guard in Russia?

      Combat units or general, including FSUE "Protection"? wink And then this FSUE already at the time of its creation had a staff of more than 50 thousand, and then it also absorbed various departmental guards of 8-18 thousand people each.
      Plus, some of the combat units of the WG are already involved in the NWO.
      1. 0
        24 May 2023 11: 45
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Combat units or general, including FSUE "Protection"? wink And then this FSUE already at the time of its creation had a staff of more than 50 thousand, and then it also absorbed various departmental guards of 8-18 thousand people each.
        Plus, some of the combat units of the WG are already involved in the NWO.

        Alexey, it was a rhetorical question, of course, without the "OVOshnikov" and the licensing service.
        As it was earlier in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, operational units (not guarding strategic facilities), flotillas.
        For attracting some units of the Russian Guard to the NVO - in the know. Yes
        1. +1
          24 May 2023 13: 06
          Quote: Lynx2000
          Alexey, it was a rhetorical question, of course, without the "OVOshnikov" and the licensing service.
          As it was earlier in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, operational units (not guarding strategic facilities), flotillas.

          And how many of them are left - operational units (well, except for ODON)? We now do not have Soviet times with motorized rifle divisions of the NKVD or 31 divisions of explosives. And not even the beginning of the 2000s, when the Vovans had their own tank battalions and artillery divisions. Now - one division and a dozen armored personnel carriers / BA and mortars. The current WG is just a shadow of the former explosives.

          PS I still remember how a couple of years ago even the news about the purchase of RG grenades for ODON caused writhing among the regime's couch shakers - ah-ah-ah-, the anti-people authorities are going to throw grenades at demonstrations of pregnant pensioners. And now, practically the same people are indignant that the RG units are too weakly armed and can "only disperse rallies", and not hold the defense against enemy tactical groups in the rear of the NVO zone and on their border territory.
          1. +1
            24 May 2023 13: 42
            Quote: Alexey RA

            And how many of them are left - operational units (well, except for ODON)? We now do not have Soviet times with motorized rifle divisions of the NKVD or 31 divisions of explosives. And not even the beginning of the 2000s, when the Vovans had their own tank battalions and artillery divisions. Now - one division and a dozen armored personnel carriers / BA and mortars. The current WG is just a shadow of the former explosives.

            PS I still remember how a couple of years ago even the news about the purchase of RG grenades for ODON caused writhing among the regime's couch shakers - ah-ah-ah-, the anti-people authorities are going to throw grenades at demonstrations of pregnant pensioners. And now, practically the same people are indignant that the RG units are too weakly armed and can "only disperse rallies", and not hold the defense against enemy tactical groups in the rear of the NVO zone and on their border territory.

            what Since 1999, I myself have been from Vovanov in the North Kazakhstan Military Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, I left in August 2000 due to a wound. If I'm not mistaken, 100 DON in the second Chechen, had a tank regiment in its composition, but then by the end of the 2000s, this regiment was transferred to the RF Armed Forces. So this division was formed from army units: the 14th Panzer Division of the USSR Armed Forces, 900th Separate Airborne Division on the model of the VV division named after. F.E. Dzerzhinsky.
            Was there a tank battalion in ODON (Dzerzhintsy)? Usually from artillery (AZDn): mortars 120 mm and 82 mm, SPG-9, and ZSU-23-2. As part of the BON from equipment: BMP-1/2, BTR-80.
            In 101 OSBRON there was the same artillery and "armored vehicles" ...
            In the 90s, early 00s, in the North Caucasian District of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, if I am not mistaken, there were 3 operational divisions, several separate ON brigades, separate ON regiments, a Special Forces detachment, a separate reconnaissance battalion, except for divisional, regimental ...
            To "disperse the rallies" in the OPON or DON were police battalions of conscripts.
            We didn’t teach motorized riflemen or scouts this (to run with shields and wave PRmi).
            1. +1
              24 May 2023 16: 03
              Quote: Lynx2000
              If I am not mistaken, 100 DON in the second Chechen, had a tank regiment in its composition, but then by the end of the 2000s, this regiment was transferred to the RF Armed Forces.

              93rd Mechanized Regiment of the 100th Don - almost seven dozen T-62s of various modifications (with "eyebrows" and "bald").

              EMNIP, it was the BB tanks that entered Komsomolskoye during the assault.
              Quote: Lynx2000
              Was there a tank battalion in ODON (Dzerzhintsy)?

              They write that until 2004 there was a tbn - on the PT-76, first separate, then as part of the 1st SME, then again separate.
  7. +8
    24 May 2023 05: 37
    Kartapolov gave a simply excellent interview in which he said that the citizens themselves must protect the border.
    The salvation of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves.
    PSVO, does not keep up with the news. A month has passed since the interview with Kartapolov. On other resources, the same Yandex Zen, this news was sucked, along with a bone.
    1. +22
      24 May 2023 06: 27
      The salvation of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves.

      Something I have doubts that our current government is very fond of the idea of ​​​​creating some associations of citizens who know how to shoot, who own weapons and who have the skills to fight in a team, albeit a small one .. what
      1. KCA
        -8
        24 May 2023 07: 00
        Somehow I didn’t notice in the authorities hostility towards hunters who, when driving an animal, act in a group and wield weapons, in the case of a rifled one, almost a sniper, a carbine bought from my brother in the mid-90s for $ 7000 and an optical sight brought from the USA for $ 1500 , here the mower would have pulled 4
        1. +10
          24 May 2023 09: 05
          I have a weapon too. By the way - almost sniper. But you really don't see the difference between a group of hunters and a group of let's say therodefense?

          And hostility - is, still what. Every year they clamp down on the conditions for acquiring weapons under far-fetched pretexts, in every possible way sabotage the creation of shooting associations, clubs, shooting ranges, training grounds, etc.. Isn't it?
          1. KCA
            +2
            24 May 2023 10: 42
            Yes, the conditions for obtaining a permit are becoming more complicated, once my father, serving as an urgent soldier in the army, was in a military hunting society and, as a conscript, had a knife and a gun, went hunting, in 1994 my father gave me a hunting license and a permit for TOZIK for my birthday , in the current realities, this doesn’t work at all, can you imagine that in 1970 the boy took his father’s gun, went to school and started to bring down everyone in a row? And now it's twice a year, so what? Come on, as before, no permits and licenses at all, I came to the store with a hunting license, bought a rifle bike and cartridges, they just put a rifle bike on your ticket and go, I was surprised, knives and dogs were also entered on the ticket before, especially now, when the ticket it turns out once and for all, you don’t even need to pay contributions, or work out every year
            1. +1
              24 May 2023 16: 40
              Every month, dozens of people are crushed by cars, sometimes even deliberately. Let's start banning them, shall we? After all, according to statistics, a car is an order of magnitude more deadly unit than a gun?
              1. KCA
                -1
                24 May 2023 18: 08
                Cars are crushed 99.99% by accident, but drunks, stupidly, naughty in schools, colleges, institutes on purpose, there is no difference, right?
    2. +25
      24 May 2023 07: 16
      That's right. We buy everything for ourselves, from uniforms and a cartridge with weapons, to strategic offensive arms and satellites with grubs and tanks. That they went to Courchevel with the girls or to churches with paintings and portraits of "our saints" from Nikolashka the Second, who propped up the country, to the current "biathletes" and his comrades.
      1. KCA
        +3
        24 May 2023 08: 03
        It seems to me that the money was not distributed in the state, but in the local command, two acquaintances served half a year in the NWO, one was dressed like a homeless man and said - you can buy everything you need and go to the front line, practically didn’t get out of the trenches for half a year, the second, a botanist, got into UAV operators, dressed like a parade, on the front line there were attacks, occasionally
        1. +3
          24 May 2023 09: 08
          To be honest - more than half of what I need, for example, I would also prefer to purchase myself .. Well - except for the expensive electronics of course .. For our state-owned - far from everything of proper quality ..

          That's why - I have a pantry with a safe and stuffed with all sorts of such good .. wink
          1. KCA
            0
            24 May 2023 12: 55
            Yes, you are a millionaire, one target cartridge 7.62 costs about 15 bucks, armor, if it is not old, is made of steel or titanium plates, and a full one made of low-pressure polyethylene costs from 300 rubles, it depends on the size, do you have many of them? And what will you shoot? You must have Orsis rifles in the basement? With one shot under 300 bucks?
            1. +1
              24 May 2023 16: 47
              What is a target cartridge? I have a lot of different ones, from cool Finnish ones from the old days, to Novosib and Centaur. The Serbian partisans seem to be nothing.

              There are three pieces of bronikov, of course - not lyama, cuirasses, etc. fingered for the floor, etc.. For a very good one - of course, the dough is not enough. But - I think that such a horseradish will be given in the army.

              Orsis - what the hell is he? Why do I need a barrel that shoots better than me? I don’t pretend to be a sniper, so maybe a decent Marxman would come out .. Rem and Boar are enough.

              I'd better take my optics, I have quite decent scopes, binoculars and a rangefinder. Nightlight - of course better than a state-owned one, my old and relatively cheap one. New - like the floor of the apartment are ..

              But clothes, equipment, shoes - also their own, they are definitely better than army ones.
              1. KCA
                +1
                25 May 2023 03: 18
                The target cartridge is a cartridge with a special quality, different from the stream production, for aimed shooting, even in shooting ranges or clay shooting. They made me laugh about cuirasses, and indeed, I stopped believing in storytellers 40 years ago
      2. +2
        24 May 2023 17: 10
        Serfs do not dare to ask the boyars where the money has gone. It was for this purpose that laws were passed to discredit the army and insult officials. Soon, for a question to the boyar, they will allow the serf to beat in the face with a boot.
  8. 0
    24 May 2023 05: 44
    which made it possible for the Ukrainian side to say that they were Russian collaborators. This means that Russia's internal affair, and they have nothing to do with it at all.

    And what follows from this? From the territory of Ukraine, with American weapons, with Ukrainian flags - an internal matter? If this is not part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then this is an illegal armed formation, international terrorism, organized at the state level by Ukraine, what the hell is internal, this is already at the level of the UN Security Council, and not even Russia-Ukraine.
    On the subject: firstly, if you abolished the PV, in fact, then what is now near the border and directly next to it is the business of the Russian Guard, and, let me remind you, it also has equipment, and even special forces, specifically sharpened for work both on traditional sabotage groups, and on such reinforced ones, as well as on actions on the adjacent border areas.
    PiSI: the militia and the defense in any case - the tank attack will be held back even worse by the border guards without anti-tank weapons, because they won’t even be able to competently retreat. But against traditional divergroups - yes. Strangers will be seen immediately, for example
    1. +9
      24 May 2023 07: 40
      The National Guard of serfs guards inside the country, no matter what God forbid...!!!
    2. +5
      24 May 2023 08: 31
      And why are American weapons mentioned everywhere? Is all of Africa being cut down by the Soviets? AND?
    3. +3
      24 May 2023 08: 37
      About the UN Security Council amused. Yes, I have a short comment, I know
  9. +3
    24 May 2023 05: 45
    Thanks to the authors for the analysis of fresh facts. ... . On the CBO time scale, they are completely right.

    BUT, as we like to say: "the roots are in the USSR", "the big is seen at a distance." I still found the USSR and in the 90s I believed that the "fluffy white animal" had already arrived.

    Wrong, but not essential. At some point, THIS had to happen anyway. As the saying goes, "and for what, by and large, they fought?" - these are all the stages of a long journey .... What should have happened, that is ... Another stage has been passed. ..
  10. +16
    24 May 2023 05: 46
    linear outposts - the nerve endings of the border troops, sensitively reacting to all changes on the border .. detachments - muscles and bones. but ... there have been no outposts in the Russian Federation for 20 years, as well as border detachments. instead, after optimization, commandant's offices appeared, clustering near border crossings, with contractors fattened from idleness, able to perform only customs functions .... everything ... who needs to track the enemy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week .... in any weather .. ..contractor? is he really dragging the state service? ...
    mangroups .... needed like air ... with work for 30 - 40 km on enemy territory ... with the security of border detachments .....
    helicopters, heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, armored personnel carriers .... everything is like in the USSR.
    and .... mobilization of border guards ... not these refined ones .... but those who served on the border for real.
    about the defense .... tractor driver Uncle Vasya is not obliged to stay awake all night long, trying to outdo the enemy. he must hear the shooting at the border and understand that he needs to grab the gun and save the woman.
  11. +5
    24 May 2023 05: 52
    the military is simply not trained in the work that was the norm for Soviet border guards.

    And where did these rules go? What for the military, what for the border guards.
  12. +3
    24 May 2023 06: 31
    there, in Moscow, the relevant persons must finally think about what is happening and make decisions about trusting their people.
    - and I thought the logical conclusion is that either the local population itself organizes itself, or the local authorities organize it. Moreover, there is the National Guard, sometimes better equipped than the army and one of its tasks is the protection of important state facilities.
  13. +21
    24 May 2023 06: 44
    He served from 1993 to 1995 on the border with China, or rather, 15 kilometers from it, not in the PV, but in the BB (the railway tunnel on the Trans-Siberian was guarded), and so at the outpost we had 45 people at the best time, weapons: AK-74, RPK, SVD and one PKM, plus regular GP-25, I think we could have held out for an hour) on the territory of the outpost there were full-length concrete trenches and concrete pillboxes since the war, we would not have done anything to the tank with our weapons, but Maksov and Khamerov probably beat would, but the fact that our border posts were disbanded for me recently became an unpleasant discovery, they were re-optimized
  14. +17
    24 May 2023 06: 45
    The conversation is not about that at all.
    . And, if the state is not able to protect them, to defend the borders of the country, then
    why did you start. Having started, why do they not want to change anything either in the army or in the country. I am still sure that it is possible to drive away from Donetsk, take Odessa and reach Lvov. But the Kremlin does not want this.
  15. +3
    24 May 2023 06: 49
    It is easier to strengthen border guards, to increase the number of border detachments and weapons.
  16. +8
    24 May 2023 07: 06
    A much needed, albeit belated article. Although, for whom is it necessary? For those who should have taken care of the issues raised in it not a year or two ago? So im-deeply "there is a whole army of us." That's not why they climbed into these places. And, for those who will give God, will finally come instead of them. The final thought sounded especially good - either entrust weapons to your Citizens, or justify the trust of your Citizens in their protection.
  17. Eug
    +5
    24 May 2023 07: 19
    The best air defense is tanks at enemy airfields, then - analogies.
  18. +3
    24 May 2023 07: 27
    The so-called "ter. defense" of course has the right to life. But, her weapons should be stored in police stations or in border commandant's offices. It will not be able to repel the attack of the DRG or enemy units with 100 equipment, and it will have nothing to do it with, it will not have weapons for this. Ter. defense can only be used in conjunction with units of the Moscow Region as a "mass" for combing the area.
    1. +1
      24 May 2023 18: 58
      But, her weapons should be stored in police stations or in border commandant's offices.


      That is, so that during the attack the personnel would not run to repel him, but first they would run to the commandant's office, and then, if they ran, of course, they would already run to reflect something there.

      A perfect example of what will be in Budenovsk. The policemen of Budenovsk were ready with one PM to repel the attack of the militants, there was so much spirit in them that I probably never dreamed of. But the weapons were stored in the department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and when trying to get to them, many were injured or died.
  19. +12
    24 May 2023 07: 37
    It has already been proven in practice that all these our experts and analysts are complete bullshit!
    The authorities will never give weapons to citizens, they are afraid of a disgruntled people, otherwise the people of migrants will start to be driven home, for example, and this is unnecessary for the authorities.
    And I hope these turbulent times and all the unpleasant events will shake up the settled swamp in which we live, maybe something will change for the better!
  20. +2
    24 May 2023 07: 39
    Blockheads from the Ministry of Defense did not guess in a year and a half at least to mine the border as Israel does it
    1. 0
      24 May 2023 08: 02
      So it seems they mined, but they made a breach there, there are ways to clear mines.
      1. -1
        24 May 2023 08: 22
        If everything is so easy to clear, then why can't Israel clear the Soviet mines on the Galan Heights, which the Syrians set up back in the 70s? Do you really think that demining is such a quick task? The painstaking work of sappers has been going on there for months ...
  21. +22
    24 May 2023 07: 55
    What the hell is a voluntary "terodefence" without a salary!
    What do you think they stand along the border of the city, with the inhabitants of the loafers!?
    There are villagers, and everyone has a lot of work to do. Also, how do you make money!
    And here, on the site, they made a stupid chatter!
    Move to the border and try it, and then tell us how we will drain your stupid chatter.
    1. +8
      24 May 2023 09: 55
      The first comment is really on the case, a potential combatant needs to feed his family, keep the garden in order, raise children, and pay attention to his wife. When to run through the forests? To do this, we have millions of specially trained people with preferential pensions.
    2. +3
      24 May 2023 11: 46
      What the hell is a voluntary "terodefense" when it is no longer war toys and not tank biathlons, but a real war and not only with Ukraine - troops should be on this border with heavy weapons. and surroundings!
    3. -1
      24 May 2023 11: 54
      What the hell is a voluntary "terodefence" without a salary! Yes, for a salary with orders and funerals with honors to Prigozhin as a musician and not in the defense!
  22. +6
    24 May 2023 08: 06
    In fact, they went in, arranged a selfie session against the backdrop of the mail and quickly hit the road until those who can really hang on the faces jumped up. Still, shaking machine guns in front of absolutely unarmed villagers is one thing, and even conscripts from the Russian army are quite another.
    According to rumors, the locals called for several hours those "who can hang, etc." They were even advised not to report about saboteurs next time, but about "girls with anti-war posters." Then they would come right away.
    By the way, the corpses that were then left after the clash were never identified, which made it possible for the Ukrainian side to say that they were Russian collaborators.
    What corpses after the PR campaign in Bryansk? They themselves wrote above about a selfie session and a quick exit. It seems that they were talking only about two civilians and the wounded Fedya. In general, stupid ridicule against collaborators is incomprehensible. This is a serious enemy. With such actions, they will only increase their ranks, now the BTR-82 is out, the captured trump cards on the Internet. Their leader has been promoting since the summer, but is still intact.
  23. +3
    24 May 2023 08: 28
    In fact, to stop such actions, it is necessary to use attack helicopters that could quickly destroy the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But either the Ka-52 and Mi-35 were not there, or something else, but only MI-8 flew there and fired traps right into the gardens.

    1. +3
      24 May 2023 09: 45
      In fact, to stop such actions, it is necessary to use attack helicopters,


      Necessary, but where can I get them? At the beginning of the NWO, we had about 1500 helicopters in total, now most likely less. It's still optimized. Not a single part where I served, including the school, was left, everything was reduced.
      1. +5
        24 May 2023 10: 09
        Necessary, but where can I get them?

        But we have increased the percentage of new equipment in the troops, I will explain. There were about 1500 combat Mi-24s in the Soviet army, now, after the decommissioning of the excellent transport and combat Mi-24s, there are about 80 Ka-52s, 90 Mi-28s and 24 old Mi-35/70 pieces ... AND EVERYTHING!
        1. +4
          24 May 2023 10: 47
          now, after the decommissioning of the excellent transport and combat Mi-24s, there are about 80 Ka-52s, 90 Mi-28s and 24 old Mi-35/70 pieces left ... AND EVERYTHING!

          According to the states of the Soviet period, this is enough to staff 6 !!!! BVP.
          Simple comparison:
          The population of the USSR is 289,2 million people.
          The population of the Russian Federation is 146,4 million people.
          It turns out, if we proceed from the population, then the Russian army should have about 760 combat helicopters. Actually 240.
          And we are broadcasting something from the high stands about the "inefficient" Soviet economy? After which 32 years have passed. For comparison, this is 1977 after the end of the Second World War.
          Although in some respects the USSR was still surpassed. For example, officials. We have 2,7 times more of them. At the same time, they consume 13 times more budget.
          Read more here:
          https://dzen.ru/a/YGVmwLhbkGA2rsOK
  24. +1
    24 May 2023 08: 30
    How to further protect your border?
    The answer, in my opinion, lies on the surface, since the central government for some reason cannot (or does not want) to do this, then the governors of the regions bordering Ukraine should take the initiative, especially since there is a law on the Cossacks, in which there is a clause and regarding border protection, i.e. governors need to more actively create Cossack units of the provinces entrusted to them.
    1. -3
      26 May 2023 17: 33
      And it's better that each local governor-oligarch had his own personal hired army of PMCs :) By the way, she can take on the functions of the police. The local population to impose an additional tax on the maintenance of PMCs. And come up with a law according to which PMCs can solve problems with the population on the spot without trial or investigation. Very comfortably. Good idea.
  25. +6
    24 May 2023 08: 33
    Shame ...
    A member of the DRG was found with a local resident in the form of a terrorist defense - and for this he was shot.
    The victim had no weapons.
    He did not even have a chance to die in battle, like a warrior - the Russian authorities did not give him this chance, did not give him a weapon.
    The shame of the Russian authorities is yet another.
    1. -2
      26 May 2023 17: 34
      What can I say. I can only advise you to continue to vote in the elections for EdRo and GDP.
  26. +6
    24 May 2023 08: 34
    Until, instead of an inferior and incompetent border service, we do not restore in full the border troops, thoughtlessly and criminally optimized by the liberals in the early 2000s, we will not have safe borders.
  27. +4
    24 May 2023 08: 53
    The subtlety is that legally Russia is not at war with Ukraine. NWO is not a war, it is, as they say today, something else. And it means that the border continues to be covered by border units, which, according to all Charters and norms, should stand on the border only in peacetime. But since there is no war, it is the border guards who are standing, not the army.

    41. The order (order) must comply with federal laws, military charters and orders of higher commanders (chiefs). When giving an order (order), the commander (chief) must not allow abuse of official powers or their excess.

    Commanders (commanders) are prohibited from giving orders (orders) that are not related to the performance of military duties or aimed at violating the laws of the Russian Federation. Commanders (chiefs) who have issued such orders (orders) are held liable in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.

    The author is lying. Nothing prevents the army from guarding the border in dangerous areas. The only problem is the lack of orders. And orders from Moscow. The law does not interfere with protecting the border, people and settlements. Only the neglect of superiors.
  28. 0
    24 May 2023 08: 58
    We have an army to protect the country. Contractors to throw everyone on the NWO. Throw conscripts and traffic cops with OMON at the border. In Chechnya, the main hardships of the war were carried by simple conscripts. And the Kremlin towers, it's time to retire them.
    1. -1
      24 May 2023 12: 01
      OMON does not climb out of the SVO.............
    2. -1
      24 May 2023 21: 17
      Great idea. Knowing how conscripts are trained and how even contract soldiers are now being equipped on the front line, one can imagine that these conscripts will fight you against the elite Gurovites and "legionnaires".
  29. +2
    24 May 2023 09: 04
    I think we need to start with communication and interaction.
    In the frontier territories, defense should become the ears and eyes of the Army and the Border Guards. Surveillance devices, walkie-talkies, other communication channels, the ability to interact with the army, evacuate the population.
  30. 0
    24 May 2023 09: 15
    a photo with smiling Ukrainians in the title of the article is already the bottom of the bottom. although it is difficult to expect otherwise from some, due to "their" mentality of the "all-out" and "Western"
  31. +7
    24 May 2023 09: 19
    The eternal question: who is to blame and what to do?

    Kremlin boys. For whatever they undertake, they will spoil everything. In any sphere of life.
  32. 0
    24 May 2023 09: 30
    Only by finishing your home can you more or less create peace for the residents near the border. There is simply no money for everything else.
  33. -1
    24 May 2023 10: 08
    Put robotic complexes on a caterpillar on the border. There are also developments.
  34. +6
    24 May 2023 10: 11
    Or justify the trust of their people who elected them
    As it was sung in the old ditty: Comrade Beria did not justify the trust .. But Comrade Beria, he will win the elections even after death. laughing
  35. +1
    24 May 2023 10: 31
    .. . And if the state is not able to protect them, to defend the borders of the country, then there, in Moscow, the relevant persons are obliged to finally think about what is happening and make decisions about trusting their people. Or justify the trust of their people who elected them ...

    in Moscow there is only one relevant person, but he is in the "house", this person does not want to make responsible decisions, and this was already evident during the epidemic, when it threw all responsibility on the regions. The person just worked out and it's time for him to prepare a shift and leave, otherwise it will really be a disaster
  36. +1
    24 May 2023 10: 53
    Teroborona is only out of desperation. This is still not a military unit, neither in terms of armament, nor in terms of training. They really can only HELP parts of MO. Although, today, it turns out, and they are necessary.
    But the most important thing, in my opinion, is observation and reconnaissance. What we have (no need to go far) is completely missing. UAV surveillance is required 24x7. Only they will be able to see the concentration of forces for the advance, the means of cover (artillery, air defense), track the current location of the group, if it has already broken through. No patrols and cameras are able to do this. They will record only the fact of an attack, but it is necessary to monitor it preventively in order to have time to transfer mobile groups to a threatening area.
    Well, and, of course, you need to have those same mobile groups, well-armed and trained. For example, the same paratroopers. And means of rapid delivery, such as helicopters. And delivery options should be determined by the capabilities of the enemy, which should be revealed by the same means of observation.
    Have long-range weapons in constant readiness. The same drones, rocket artillery, possibly aviation.
    Yes, this is a lot, it is expensive, but this is the only thing that can really secure the territory and its population.
    And the operation should be led not from Moscow, but on the spot.
  37. +3
    24 May 2023 11: 11
    “Unfortunately, we now do not have such opportunities as in the Soviet Union, when the entire country along the perimeter was guarded by military units of the border troops of the USSR. Therefore, now there are somewhat different ways of protecting borders. But to involve the local population on a voluntary basis, in my opinion, this is quite realistic and understandable. This is practiced in many countries."
    (From an interview with URA.ru)

    This is from an interview with Andrei Kartopolov, head of the Defense Committee of the State Duma.
    That is, with these words, he recognizes the fact of the inferiority of the economic model of the modern Russian Federation.
    As for territorial defense, it will not go beyond words. After what the Russian bureaucracy has done for 32 years, this is like death for them. They rather recognize Bandera.
  38. -5
    24 May 2023 11: 42
    Quote: arbitr459gmail.com
    at that time it was a border zone with the corresponding regime

    And its main purpose was not to let its own citizens to the border. Firstly, so that they do not run away from the communist paradise to the decaying west. Secondly, so that the enemies do not find out the details of the location of strongholds and weak points.
    Both points are now irrelevant. Due to modern reconnaissance technology, it is pointless to send scouts to the border. There are satellites, there are copters, there is radio intelligence, which, simply by listening to the broadcast, can find a lot of things.
  39. +1
    24 May 2023 11: 49
    Why so many comments, suggestions, discussions on this topic? 1. Peskov expressed concern. 2. The President said that these events brought society together. 3. The President confirmed that there was no Ukraine in the 17th century. That's it... Period..... This is a phantom, but it seems to people that someone is violating the border of Russia. I suggest everyone calm down and get on with the current affairs.
  40. +4
    24 May 2023 11: 51
    Self-isolation, self-mobilization, self-armament, self-protection of the border. What else will officials come up with for their native people? Self-liquidation of citizens before retirement, so as not to pay it? Self-reduction of their salaries do not want for their shitty work?
  41. 0
    24 May 2023 11: 55
    How, how: the best way is to make it clear what will happen to those, that country, its leadership, if they dare. And confirm with action, just once, just once...
  42. +3
    24 May 2023 12: 14
    Guys, how do you imagine the commander-in-chief giving the order to distribute weapons to the people, that is, Teroborona? Yes, deputies and elite retinues will shake with an aspen leaf .... For them, the people who inhabit the Motherland are nothing more than serfs (means cattle). You look at what laws are adopted for hunters and sports (shooting lovers). So, until the rink of war rolls across the Russian Federation, the ruling class will do everything to ensure that weapons do not get to Teroborona ...
  43. -2
    24 May 2023 12: 24
    The article is large but empty, for whom and for what purpose was it written? In order to once again justify the traitors in power? So it's useless, everything is already clear to everyone. And here in the article there is a substitution of concepts and an attempt to once again hang noodles))) Border protection? Come on!))) Any more or less literate person involved in the organization of military operations, so to speak, will tell you that in addition to the forces and means involved in hostilities, there are also forces and means BLOCKING the BD / CTO / NVO area and others. Where are they? I don’t believe that the General Staff don’t know this))) And there is someone to attract with tanks and artillery. But when you are more afraid of your people than the enemy ...))) It’s scary to remove your punitive policemen from your guard and send them to protect the people))) Have you ever thought why the National Guards, former VVshniks suddenly needed tanks and artillery and against whom? ))) It would seem that this is the situation for their use, but no, the parts sit in place on the priest exactly)) and we are told plaintive stories about poor border guards who really have completely different tasks and in different conditions.
  44. +4
    24 May 2023 12: 37
    Everything is clear.
    The main thing here is not this, somehow they will protect the border, there are many samples and options

    The main thing is the flow of stupid unpunished lies from the media, experts and other things.
    The media, making fun of the Ukrainian terrorists and the distribution of weapons, wrote Salo is over, they will scatter, they will freeze, they will dry up, they will run to surrender, and so on and so forth.

    And no one bears any responsibility for the flow of lies and stupidity.

    Even in Belgorod. According to the Russian military, more than 70 people were killed by the raiders against 10 wounded in our country.
    Yes, according to NORD OST, where they awarded Heroes, there were much more dead ....
    Either you can already be imprisoned for discrimination, or ... do not believe the news?

    It will be seen.
  45. +1
    24 May 2023 13: 17
    We, as citizens of the Russian Federation, have a country, the Russian Federation. Own initiatives are good, but without an administrative resource, there is no point in talking about protecting borders. The issue of border protection should be dealt with by the departments whose competence includes this official duty. If the saboteurs were able to get through the border, then urgent personnel decisions, dismissals, and maybe even a check of higher ranks for state treason are needed. In March, after the first sortie, something had to be done, but what did they do? A rhetorical question ...
  46. -4
    24 May 2023 13: 19
    I wonder how much money tsipso pays for posts like this?
  47. +1
    24 May 2023 14: 20
    Campaign power strenuously follows the path of the First World War, like a stubborn donkey.
  48. +2
    24 May 2023 15: 02
    And how did the USSR not guess to create a territorial defense, although they could also say the border is long for the whole border troops are not enough, let's you citizens help the "legendary and invincible and others like her."
  49. +2
    24 May 2023 16: 00
    There is a lot of bukoff, there is little sense from these bukoffs, as well as from the current border guard))) ... well, like, not at all. I quote: "... sorry, what are the expectations from the border guards, who do not even have anti-tank grenade launchers?)) I confirm - there are NO expectations. No need to insult the frontier troops of the Soviet Union by equating them with the current AUTHORITIES. Only the name has changed to the current AUTHORITIES from normal border troops" border "but these are AUTHORITIES))) .. and truncated ... But the border troops of the USSR had grenade launchers ... including anti-tank ones) .. I affirm responsibly. There is no need for "experts" to argue with me ... I come from from the USSR. And what is needed? It is necessary to restore the border troops. Such as they were in the USSR. It’s better not to do it now, but you can get closer))
    1. +2
      24 May 2023 16: 46
      Russia, a country with great potential, cannot ensure the protection of the border from raids by bandit groups? It's just unwillingness. Probably cheaper for the top: let them come in, make a nightmare of the population, and we will pay, than to create a couple of border divisions, having called up regular officers from the reserve. And in fact, there is everything for this. At first, we need small arms, grenade launchers, UAVs, cars, helicopters (to mobilize from civilians) for rapid response teams.
  50. 0
    24 May 2023 16: 12
    The border can be protected in two ways:
    First: to turn the NWO into an inter-ethnic war: Russians of Ukraine against Galicians.
    Second: shake up the Nabiulino reserves and ensure the technical superiority of our aircraft.
  51. 0
    24 May 2023 16: 47
    A set of measures is needed. The border needs to be moved west. Build a line of defense with engineering structures in dangerous directions, install cameras, sensors, alarms in others... Until the front has moved, form mobile groups with heavy weapons in the areas, and light weapons to help the terrorist defense. Terrorist defense is suitable for catching saboteurs in villages and detecting tactical groups; at the same time, a trained reserve will be formed
  52. +2
    24 May 2023 16: 58
    Okay, let’s say we distribute weapons to the population and teach them how to shoot. But there was a company reinforced with armored vehicles on armor with the support of artillery, which means that the population also needs to be given anti-tank weapons and artillery systems, at least mortars? Doesn’t it seem like this is nonsense, without taking into account the fact that they need to be educated and trained, and when to work, sow and raise children? Maybe we won’t reinvent the wheel, everything has long been invented and tested in practice by our great ancestors, but was “successfully” destroyed by our “gifted” who, having betrayed their country, enthusiastically sold and destroyed the entire Soviet heritage, from the material to the spiritual , cultural. We have such fun, once every hundred years, to destroy everything, and then, tearing our veins through blood and sweat, with innumerable sacrifices and losses, to create a power again. For real border protection, first of all, it is necessary to restore the military group of border troops, a network of outposts, etc., I am not an expert in this, there are still those who know and can, not everyone was killed during the corona epidemic, the surviving veterans were caught (again, the boyars are not with the people lucky). Armed struggle should be carried out by “specially trained people”, military operations should be led by a career combined arms commander, and not by governors, village elders, etc. “effective managers”, as in our country, when building a “vertical”, it has recently been customary, the cobbler bakes the pies ...
  53. +2
    24 May 2023 17: 03
    In the conditions of the Northern Military District, it is easier to restore normal border troops.
  54. +2
    24 May 2023 18: 00
    make decisions about trusting your people.

    The authorities do not trust the people. Doesn't even think about him. He remembers that there are some people in the country, just before the elections. And he doesn’t even allow the thought of arming the people. What if the people turned these bayonets and put power on them? This is what the authorities know and remember.
  55. +2
    24 May 2023 18: 38
    Border troops need to be restored with outposts. Let them install CCTV cameras on the border, build fortifications and monitor drones on the other side of the border, any cluster will be hit by missiles
    We need a trained army, we need to return two years of service. Normal mobilization is needed for up to 5 million people
    In my opinion, there is a need for consolidation of young and old military personnel.
  56. +2
    24 May 2023 19: 08
    Who is afraid, I think Putin himself will give the order for mobilization. I don’t think that Shoigu or Gerasimov are to blame. What he says may be correct, but the entire action is not on the scale that is required. Why should we tolerate shelling of the Russian border? When are there forces and means to defend it? You just need to call a certain number again to the border of the Russian Federation
    At least another 300 thousand, because Ukraine also mobilized, and now their troops are twice as large as ours.
    300 thousand to the border, 300 thousand to the border of Belarus, and then another 300 thousand in the direction of Odessa and the offensive will begin.
    But it won’t work because there is nothing to wear, there are no weapons.
    Many military units were closed. In order to mobilize, it is necessary to repair all the military units that have been closed and place people there
    It was not for nothing that in every region there were military institutions; in the event of war, they had to begin training the military, the theory of war. how to prepare a fighter and send him to the front
    The root of the problems is the Serdyukov reform, this is what happened in 1937, essentially the Red Army was undergoing reform then. If you were imprisoned in 1937, then in Serdyukov you were simply fired with the words that we no longer need you.
    You need an order to Summon, and who do you think should give it?
    Putin thinks we will kill them all there, just how many years will we kill them there and what will happen to our border regions, soon there will not be a single living house left there.
    Look at their impudent people, do you think they will retreat there?
    To resolve the issue on Urrain, a complete plan is needed to encircle this entire country and exterminate all ardent warriors, or they should be imprisoned for life for terrorism and starting a war. Someone must be held accountable for killing people.
    They are heading to Crimea; no one needs them there, and that’s true.
    Airplanes and tanks cannot be made in a month, such an operation should have been foreseen earlier and the troops had to be prepared, but we still have cancer.
    But when I served, our military understood perfectly well who their enemy was, and then, apparently, after the dismissal of the generals, they forgot who our enemy number one is, this enemy is now sponsoring and training our enemy
    This is a war against NATO now, they supply them with weapons, train them, they prohibit other countries from helping us. And I would also put pressure on China's conscience.
    Everything is in front of us and there is no need to waste time on trifles here for army expenses. It’s even more boring for those guys who are on the front line to help. We need mobilization again and again.
  57. +3
    24 May 2023 20: 50
    May military experts forgive me, but I will express the point of view of a simple layman who has nothing to do with military affairs, that is, me.
    I don’t really care who should deal with border defense and how.
    I also don’t care who is responsible for what, what kind of showdowns are going on in the Russian military departments on this issue.
    I need the borders of my country to be securely locked.
    And how “our” Defense Ministry will do this, I also don’t give a damn.
    And I will also express an opinion that is not very popular in our time.
    They removed universal conscription, left only a year for the boys, and this is the result.
    What will children learn in 1 year?
    March along the parade ground?
    Study ranks by badges?
    That's all???
    It is unrealistic to study modern military equipment in a year.
    Treating her at the proper level is even more unrealistic in 1 year.
    So let there be a regular army, but let there also be normally trained conscripts.
    There is not enough personnel army for our entire vast country, but conscripts could provide significant assistance to the personnel army.
    On the other hand.
    I don’t see any army in Russia at all.
    There are only good VKS troops and artillery.
    That's all.
    Nothing else.
    So “our” army can shoot from any type of weapons.
    And for anything more there is not enough skill, desire, or strength.
    As I understand from interim events, “our” army is only capable of winning tank biathlon and marching beautifully in parades.
    She is not capable of anything else.
    So to speak, a ceremonial army with ceremonial generals, which looks beautiful, but fights very poorly.
    Or rather, he doesn’t know how to fight at all.
    The heroism of the soldiers cannot atone for their blatant professional incompetence and mediocrity of command.
    So instead of a normal army, only Wagner remains.
    But is his strength enough for everything?
    And how, in this case, will the security of our borders and our Motherland be ensured?
    So I, an ordinary person, have sooooo many questions for “our” MO, which, as I understand, will remain unanswered, because this is not a matter for the philistine mind.
  58. 0
    24 May 2023 21: 07
    The richest country, the United States, uses cheap airships permanently fixed and equipped with surveillance and warning equipment to protect the border with Mexico and track drug trafficking and migrants. do it in Russia? After all, placed at a distance of 6 - 8 km from the border and raised to a height of 2000 meters, such automated observation posts will allow you to monitor large areas and report the appearance of any threat in time! meters! And you can also use the airship as a means of AWACS, driving it higher. But the cheapness of the project will block it in the Ministry of Defense - no kickbacks, no cuts - that means they will be hacked to death! And the authorities of Russia will not give weapons to the defense of Russia - what if people look at the "successes" of the authorities and - here he is, a dear 100 year old! Farewell, my burning Rublyovka! As an option, entrust PMC "Wagner" with guarding the border in threatened directions. They are now in the process of reorganization anyway - for them it's like a warm-up!
  59. 0
    24 May 2023 22: 06
    Is there an option to simply withdraw troops to the border...and expand the front along the entire border, calling it all War? Everything is leading up to this...
  60. +2
    24 May 2023 22: 16
    Both the article and the comments leave the wildest impression. People, wait, what the hell is a “border”?! Border We had it until February 24th. And between two warring states there can only be front, no border. Or maybe when our tanks entered the Sumy, Kharkov, and Chernigov regions last February, they lined up in huge queues for passport control and customs inspection? I don't remember something. So why did everyone decide that Ukrainians cannot go to the same places in the opposite direction? As if the Kremlin could decree that here we have a new Verdun with tens of thousands of victims, and two hours away let peacetime continue. No, it doesn't work that way.

    The situation itself is crazy. "The DRG has captured the checkpoint." After 15 months of fighting, what was the checkpoint doing within walking distance of the enemy? There was a huge flow of tourists in both directions, was it necessary to check visas? Or make sure that trucks travel from Kharkov to Voronezh without overweight? Maybe there was also a roadside kebab shop for truckers with a paid toilet? It is clear that our authorities announced at the very beginning of the Northern Military District: we can hit on Ukrainian territory, but they can’t hit on ours, or we will do an attack (well, a kind of boxing where one of the boxers can be hit below the belt). But after all this time it seemed clear that the Ukrainians did not agree to these rules.

    But they didn’t understand. And not only the authorities, but also the people from the military district. They are discussing that we need to distribute weapons to the defense forces and turn the border service back into border troops. That is, it is still a “border”, only restless. Only through this “border” can not a bandit group enter, but even a company, even a battalion, or even the entire “offensive guard” can be trampled. The enemy can always gather forces in a specific area that will be qualitatively and quantitatively superior to either a bunch of farmers with machine guns under their beds or border guards with a couple of ancient RPGs.

    The problem can only be solved by the army. Either defensively - create a continuous defense, or offensively - push the border at least to the firing range of a Caesar and then create a continuous defense there anyway.
    1. +1
      25 May 2023 09: 46
      +100500 pluses for you hi "" ""
  61. +1
    25 May 2023 08: 17
    To Moscow the relevant persons are obliged

    It’s funny, why do they need this, they’re already doing well...
    It’s funny when “our chief Duma defense official, Mr. Kartapolov,” who is endowed with power, says: “citizens themselves must defend the border,” “Unfortunately, we don’t have such capabilities now...”
    It’s funny when the entire Secretary of the General Council of “United Russia” Andrei Turchak suggests that Russian President Vladimir Putin defend himself with territorial defense fighters of voluntary people’s squads...
    Then why do we have these officials, generals on whose maintenance taxes are spent, if they cannot ensure the defense of the country, then where is our army, which should defend the country, which is also maintained for taxes, if the territorial self-defense forces must defend the country?!
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      26 May 2023 17: 38
      I am 100% sure that if you reduce the bureaucratic apparatus by 3 times, then from the reduced officials you can easily recruit several divisions to protect the borders.
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      27 May 2023 02: 29
      If our villagers had sniper rifles, they would have mowed down all the saboteurs from their houses, and then they would have thrown grenades at the armored vehicles and burned them with cocktails. What is the problem?
  62. +1
    26 May 2023 09: 19
    Calm down. Measures have already been taken. There will be no more drone strikes, no more DRG strikes
    Quote: “
    On May 17-18, 2023, the aviation forces of the National Guard troops and the sector for interaction with the Russian Guard of the Synodal Department for interaction with the Armed Forces and Law Enforcement Agencies conducted overflights with the miraculous image of St. Seraphim of Sarov of the territories of the Russian Federation located in the zone of potential threat from enemy unmanned aerial vehicles ."
    http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/6028585.html
  63. 0
    27 May 2023 02: 20
    “What should the TO soldiers have met these “saboteurs” with in tanks and armored personnel carriers?” - What, have you already forgotten how to make Molotov cocktails?
  64. -1
    27 May 2023 18: 37
    and what will the Minister of Defense read on this topic?? or is it useless to ask?
  65. 0
    27 May 2023 19: 03
    Or to justify the trust of their people, who elected them, and to fulfill their duty to the citizens of the Russian Federation in accordance with the articles of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    Ha ha ha! Well, you are circus performers... Guys! The constitution is black squiggles on a white sheet of cellulose. But only. Our Kremlin officials and their local envoys do not defend the constitution. And they do. When necessary - to shut up someone's mouth. And when the need arises, use pipifax instead.
    in Moscow, the relevant persons are obliged to finally think about what is happening and make decisions
    I laugh... Well, just the Cat and the Cook from Krylov's fable of the same name.
    They have two goals, one is the main one, the other is the main one. The main thing is to stay in power. The main thing is to get maximum satisfaction from this power. Among them there are also kind people; they receive satisfaction from the knowledge that they are benefactors of the people. © A. B. Strugatsky.