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Who to buy military equipment for the Russian army?

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After the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced that it would be more active to purchase samples of foreign military equipment, disputes began to arise as to whether such a decision was justified. At the same time, manufacturers of domestic equipment stated that any talk about buying equipment from foreign companies is a blow to the Russian military-technical industry. Many military experts agree with this opinion. But the problem did not arise out of the blue. The situation proved to be extremely difficult after the discovery of too large overestimations of the cost of Russian military equipment, often even after concluding contracts with the Ministry of Defense. An example here can serve not only aircraft and helicopters, but also armored cars, warships, submarines and much more.
Ways to sell cars armored vehicles, like other units of domestic production of military equipment, seemed to experts from the Ministry of Defense not to be completely transparent. That is why, instead of the Russian "Tigers", it was decided to purchase Italian armored military vehicles from Iveco. In Russian conditions, such machines have not been sufficiently studied, experts have not received adequate information about how expedient their use is where they are going to be used in the future. However, despite all these omissions of the Ministry of Defense, which at that time was headed by Anatoly Serdyukov, decided to purchase 1700 Italian armored vehicles, which in Russia began to be called "Lynx".
Until now, disputes about how profitable such a deal could be, are not abating, because the cost of an Italian armored car is more than 3 times higher than the cost of the Russian equivalent. At the same time, a number of specialists are confident that “Lynx” has significant drawbacks compared to our “Tiger”, and therefore the purchase of 1700 units of Italian equipment of the specified nature is clearly not justified.
But the debate is not only about mass purchases of Italian Iveco by the Russian Ministry of Defense. Another stumbling block is the French helicopter carriers. Today, not every specialist in the study of Russian problems fleet can reliably report for what specific purposes Russia is going to buy the French Mistral. If these goals exist, then they look very vague, because there is no talk of accomplishing tasks with the help of helicopter technology over the ocean open spaces.
Opposition of interests can lead both parties (the one that advocates for the purchase of Russian military equipment, and the one that stands on the need to buy equipment abroad) to a standstill.
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  1. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 6 December 2012 10: 57
    +12
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    1. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 12: 18
      +2
      Do it yourself - a good position. Excellent I would say. But before your product appears that meets the requirements of the new time, years pass. That is - there are serious holes. And because of these holes, soldiers die. Ukrainians and Belarusians - everything is great. Only both those and others pursue their interests.
      1. Igorboss16
        Igorboss16 6 December 2012 13: 03
        +2
        We shouldn’t have such questions at all, everything is its point!
        and those areas where we need to fill the gap with foreign technologies, and then this business should be developed and made several times better good
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 20
          +3
          So that's the point. But most prefer fig, but their own. They just forget that their own is primarily living. The soldiers. And not a technique.
      2. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother 6 December 2012 14: 08
        +1
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        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 December 2012 14: 11
          0
          At least. They are now in a deep economic crisis, and they need money, markets, etc. So allied ties are struck. And the level of technology in a number of parameters is higher than Belarusian, Russian, Ukrainian.
          1. Middle-brother
            Middle-brother 6 December 2012 14: 24
            +1
            Pimply
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            1. Pimply
              Pimply 6 December 2012 16: 13
              0
              Are you sure you never were? In World War I, for example, recall who fought alongside the Italians?

              Quote: Middle Brother
              Are we really supposed to help them out of the crisis to get out of the crisis?

              Are you ready to "help" your neighbors with no visible result? "Father" has been talking about the Union of Russia and Belarus for many years. In fact, he slows it down in every possible way. Yanukovych, a "friend" of Russia before coming to power, throws at the Russian Federation even more than the "orange" ones. Because there, and there, there is more desire to grab and stupidly cash in, and without guarantees of stable relations. With the Europeans, the exhaust is bigger and the guarantees are more reliable. And their markets are more promising.

              Quote: Middle Brother
              but do not buy the same equipment in bulk!

              Yes, to buy equipment in bulk, if your own Mr. or does not meet the requirements of today. Or puffed pride? Puffy pride is usually measured by the lives of soldiers, if you are not in the know. Americans do not worry about it: they need it, so they buy abroad, massively, simultaneously developing and building an analogue, if it is justified from an economic point of view, or continuing to buy, if it is easier to purchase. No, damn it, here show off more soldiers’s lives
              1. Middle-brother
                Middle-brother 6 December 2012 16: 49
                0
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                Quote: Pimply
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                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 6 December 2012 17: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Middle Brother
                  P • СЃР »Рё РЅРµ СЃР» ожно.

                  Take a look at the lists of the anti-German coalition. I think the story will be useful to remember.

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                  At the moment - resources are in demand. If you don’t stupid, much more will be claimed.
                  1. Middle-brother
                    Middle-brother 6 December 2012 17: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
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              2. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 6 December 2012 16: 53
                0
                And who fought alongside the Italians? I also became interested ...
                Like the French? They had to transfer their parts when the Italians again broke the Italians - I remember that ...
                If you recall Hemingway, then the Americans a little lit up, but it seems not at the front ...
                Who else?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 6 December 2012 17: 10
                  0
                  If it’s bad with the story, I recommend updating knowledge. And next - it’s not necessary to sit in one trench. It’s enough to be a coalition ally. In anti-German, do not remind which countries included?
                  Yes, definitely. Americans in World War I are not at the front. 116 dead
          2. bart74
            bart74 10 December 2012 00: 34
            0
            They are not our allies. And the fact that partly something can be bought over the hill. Why not. UDC like Mistral and a license to it, I think is a good option. It’s expensive, but it’s already stools with their kickbacks
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 6 December 2012 15: 25
      +1
      so blame fellows

      There will be no Rysys in our army - those who managed to produce (i.e. assemble) try to cram but all get rid of it like a plague, they will attach it to some unit


      on the one hand it’s sad on the other, it’s kind of joyful (although Silvio’s friend may change again, he’ll call and put in a favor for Iveco)
      anyway, Iveco gave an impetus to AMZ for further progression and improvement of products
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 6 December 2012 16: 58
        +1
        although here's the news -can begin to collect as expected and not screw the bumper
        Russia and Italy will hold talks on the production of the armored car "Lynx"
        -http: //www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/4328/
  2. soldat1945
    soldat1945 6 December 2012 10: 59
    +7
    Foreign equipment may be good, but you don’t need to buy it, you have to bring your own to your mind and make the military-industrial complex a state holding!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: soldat1945

      Foreign equipment may be good, but you don’t need to buy it, you have to bring your own to your mind and make the military-industrial complex a state holding!

      That's it, they said it a hundred times on the site, but we are not omnipotent. It’s probably not very profitable to bring our minds and buy them. But I’m glad that with the resignation of Serdyukov the number of articles about possible new purchases of foreign equipment was reduced or not yet what
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 6 December 2012 11: 57
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Bring your own to mind and buy, apparently someone is not too profitable

        You can’t argue with this, but it seems to me that the situation with the brains in the arms industry is getting worse and worse; in Tula, Vyacheslav Trukhachev, deputy chief designer of Instrument Design Bureau of OJSC, was killed

        , Over 10 scientists killed in 40 years.
        They kill the color of Russian science, not only at home, but also abroad. The famous nuclear physicist Andrei Gorobets was shot dead in Washington, and Alexander Pikaev, a specialist in international nuclear issues, was killed on the island of Malta. On January 4, 2002, a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, director of the Institute of Electrical Engineering, Igor Glebov, was killed in St. Petersburg. the director of the Institute of Psychology of the Russian Academy of Sciences Andrei Brushlinsky, the head of research on the fight against terrorism with psi methods, is hammered with bits. Brushlinsky’s stolen portfolio contained works on the latest methods of searching for terrorists. The professor had to send these materials to the Pentagon. A few months before the death of Brushlinsky, his deputy, Professor Valery Druzhinin, was killed. A few days after Brushlinsky’s funeral, professor Valery Korshunov, head of the department of microbiology at the Russian State Medical University, was beaten with bits, a specialist in biological weapons and methods for controlling psi effects. Professor Korshunov was one of the leading Russian microbiologists. Its developments were actively used in laboratories in Russia, the USA and Canada.
        Vice-Rector of the All-Russian State Tax Academy of the Ministry of Taxes and Levies, a specialist in the field of psi protection Eldar Mammadov was also killed with baseball bats. Then the military scientist-psychologist Mikhail Ionov was killed. From his portfolio were stolen materials "Intelligent decision support in reflective control of the enemy." After numerous threats, the microbiologist Anikin was poisoned by telephone. He was involved in monitoring the use of psi methods.
        The murders were not disclosed. AFTER the invention and successful testing of the “Mental Sensing System”, the famous academician, “father of psychotronic weapons” Igor Smirnov, quickly passed away. The unique system of deep blind reading of thoughts and information ordered by the Russian special services, which, unlike a lie detector, cannot be fooled, remained unclaimed in state and law enforcement agencies.
        Academician Smirnov was actively involved in neuro-linguistic programming.
        Five scientists from the leadership of the experimental design bureaus (OKB) as part of the Rosatom state concern were among the 45 passengers killed in the crash of Tu-134. These are the director and general designer of OKB Gidropress Sergey Ryzhov, his deputy Gennady Banyuk, chief designer Nikolai Trunov, head of the department of Atomenergomash Valery Lyalin and chief technologist of the Afrikantov Design Bureau Andrei Trofimov.

        Trofimov worked on the construction of a nuclear power plant in Iranian Bushehr, Ryzhov was one of the leading specialists in the construction of a nuclear plant in India, the publication lists. All five flew to Petrozavodsk for an important meeting, where various issues related to the development of nuclear reactors were to be discussed. Their death, as recognized in Russia, was a severe blow to the national nuclear industry, and to recover from it, it will take a lot of time and effort.
        1. Uruska
          Uruska 6 December 2012 12: 49
          +1
          The unique system of deep blind reading of thoughts and information ordered by the Russian special services, which, unlike a lie detector, cannot be fooled, remained unclaimed in state and law enforcement agencies.

          But this system exists. Only other criminal structures use it. There’s not much funny here ...
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 16
        +2
        Sasha, it’s been mentioned a hundred times. To keep up with the times, you need to have your own development. And if they are NOW? Soldier defend the word TOMORROW? Amers do not frown when they, in order to protect their fighters, have to buy something in other countries. They buy, protect, and at this time develop their own - better.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 12: 19
      0
      And the holes formed by the development time, will plug the bodies of soldiers?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 13: 01
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        And the holes formed by the development time, will plug the bodies of soldiers?

        Zhenya, your lynxes will be in demand in the context of counter-terrorist operations, and in the conditions of a full-scale war with NATO, mine protection will not play a big role. The Abrams and Leopards will be cut to pieces, but there is nothing to say about haamers.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 25
          +2
          Sasha. WHAT NATO? NATO is cooperating with Russia quite adequately, Europe is interested in it as a sales market, relations have been established, etc. Everyone is afraid of China, and the scale is most likely with it, and not with the terrible and terrible NATO. Wake up, the cold war is over, you have to live in the present. Which Abrams, which Leopards? You think they have great chances to meet T-shkami on the field. And if they meet, do you think that with an overwhelming superiority in the UAV, there will be a chance of meeting large tank groups? "Iron Fist" Israeli, KAZ, on trials in the States in 2011 shot down a tank shell. Here's the reality. Tanks with KAZ. What Hummers do you mean if they are filmed everywhere? Now is not the 80s and 90s. There is a specific situation - soldiers are dying in the Caucasus. The most dangerous regions there are the Far East. The Far East in the future, the South - now. What is NATO in the ass?
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 6 December 2012 13: 35
            +1
            however, the jeeps since the middle of the war, according to the opinions of our officers, have given a very big advantage over the Germans, who often rode horses on horseback ......... well, and even more so, you’ll send a tank for any task, you need more mobile equipment, so I'm for the purchase of foreign equipment, especially cars and drones
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 14: 45
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            NATO is quite adequately cooperating with Russia, Europe is interested in it as a market, relations are established, etc. China scares everyone

            Zhenya, this is only the appearance of cooperation — diplomacy no more, words no more. Well, God be with him with NATO, even China, but the situation is the same, mine protection is good from terrorists, and with a more serious opponent, the essence and confrontation will be different.
            Quote: Pimply
            Wake up, the cold war is over

            Given the unpredictability of the situation in the world and the size of the military budgets of the whole world, which is growing by leaps and bounds, it did not end, it only changed.
            Quote: Pimply
            What Abrams, what Leopards? Do you think they will have great chances to meet with T-shkami on the field. And if they meet, do you think that with overwhelming superiority in UAVs there will be a chance of meeting large tank groups?

            Zhenya, the real superiority of UAVs is only in small areas, but in conditions where the front stretches for thousands of kilometers and when the enemy is Russia, it is far from obvious. It's one thing to slaughter the Taliban in Pakistan and a completely different soldier with a regular army with good air defense systems and so on. hreniyu. With regards to tanks, well, not on bicycles, but we go to Europe.
            Quote: Pimply
            There is a specific situation - soldiers are dying in the Caucasus.

            And the possible other situations in the future, do you completely dismiss? Even if they took off their hamers, it doesn’t matter what destroys. In China, it’s problematic for the Chinese to flattery here, even with tremendous numerical superiority, there’s a lot of hemorrhoid. The Chinese are smarter than the Europeans, time proved hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 15: 10
              +1
              Eugene, this is your answer deleted?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 6 December 2012 16: 19
                +1
                No, not mine 8) So far, they have only minus me 8)))
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 6 December 2012 16: 18
              +1
              Sasha. China has nowhere to go. Occupied territories, colossal internal pressure on demographics, resource problems and nationalism, such as is traditional for all Asian cultures. This is a "young" nation. With all its history of many thousands of years. She refreshed herself and is now hungry.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Zhenya, the real superiority of UAVs is only in small areas, but in conditions where the front stretches for thousands of kilometers and when the enemy is Russia, it is far from obvious. It's one thing to slaughter the Taliban in Pakistan and a completely different soldier with a regular army with good air defense systems and so on. hreniyu. With regards to tanks, well, not on bicycles, but we go to Europe.


              Sasha, you have little idea how advanced UAVs are now.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, God be with him with NATO, even China, but the situation is the same, mine protection is good from terrorists, and with a more serious enemy, the essence and confrontation will be different.


              Naturally, it will be different. That's why I say - in the unit for different situations, different types of machines are needed. I once listed to you what we had under different situations - from ATVs and Hammers without armor, then heavy infantry fighting vehicles and armored trucks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 16: 26
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                China has nowhere to go.

                Eugene, the path to Iran is open much easier. China has an army, but does not have the experience of leading a warrior, stupidly throw corpses to the Far East, and it makes sense when nuclear weapons are irreplaceably used across China itself.
                Quote: Pimply
                Sasha, you have little idea how advanced UAVs are now.

                In a big warrior, they will not play a significant role, especially against Russia, as you imagine it. Thousands of drones will fly, and what will fly back?
                Quote: Pimply
                That's why I say - in the unit for different situations we need different types of machines

                Here I agree, mine-Caucasus, another China, NATO. yes plus I put there laughing
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 6 December 2012 16: 47
                  +1
                  China is very active in training its army. Very active. And you are mistaken that he has no experience in conducting wars. Since the Second World War, China has participated in a dozen major conflicts, and more so in small ones. In addition, they have a constant war such as the Caucasus in the Uyghur Autonomous Region.

                  You are mistaken about the fact that UAVs will not play a role in a big war. Will be, and some more. As, for example, with the help of UAVs in 1982, they took out the entire air defense of Syria
        2. strannik595
          strannik595 6 December 2012 13: 31
          0
          however, the jeeps from the middle of the war, according to the reviews of our officers, gave a very big advantage over the Germans, who often rode horses on horseback ......... well, and even more so, send a tank for any task, more mobile equipment is needed, so I am for the purchase of foreign equipment, especially cars and drones
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 December 2012 10: 59
    +2
    M ... but what is the actual article about? These questions could fit into two sentences. If you already asked a question, then you need to open it, show solutions, and maybe the answer. Pour from empty to empty.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 16
      +3
      Yes, continued kicking Serdyukov
  4. Trevis
    Trevis 6 December 2012 11: 08
    0
    There is no Serdyukov, let’s see now whose equipment the MO will purchase.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 December 2012 12: 16
      +4
      Quote: Trevis
      There is no Serdyukov, let's see now


      But his business lives .....
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 17
      +2
      Serdyukov's mistake was that he was not a diplomat. And he began to break everything abruptly, completely. Shoigu is more competent, more diplomatic. But the same way.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 6 December 2012 21: 26
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        And he began to break everything abruptly,

        Eugene do not break, sell
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 7 December 2012 12: 25
          0
          They sold everything and always. Before him, after, in related ministries. Only he did not share, but blocked the majority of the ability to pull, leaving the feeder only for his own. You take an interest in what scale of thefts in the Ministry of Emergencies was real under Shoigu. But Shoigu is smart and diplomat, and Serdyukov is young and sharp. That’s the whole difference.
  5. ATY
    ATY 6 December 2012 11: 10
    +3
    Summary. I want high-quality and affordable domestic military equipment.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 17
      +1
      I want to - yes. Is it possible? Let's see
  6. military
    military 6 December 2012 11: 15
    +1
    "... Today, not every specialist in the study of the problems of the Russian fleet can reliably report for what specific purposes Russia is going to buy French Mistrals. If these goals exist, then they look very vague, because about the performance of tasks with the help of helicopter technology over the ocean expanses of speech is not yet going ... "
    unless ... such a task is not an emergency "evacuation" of VIPs of the highest echelon ... here you can not do without comfort and air cover ... feel however, this is so ... association ... winked
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 December 2012 11: 21
      +1
      It is unlikely ... what kind of emergency is there on the sea, but on such barges ... Most likely they want to make mobile control centers, floating headquarters, if you want. With landing weapons.
      He sailed to Kunashir, anchored and stands. Watching. And try what he can do, not the fact that you will not receive a response from a turntable with a landing or a missile with a submarine hidden next to it.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 6 December 2012 11: 56
        0
        Yes, it is certainly said "on such barges" it looks like a huge clumsy galosh, the French nailed the march above us with these mistrals ..
  7. Odessa
    Odessa 6 December 2012 11: 37
    +3
    Who to buy military equipment for the Russian army?

    Buy at home your loved ones, because the Uralvagonzavod does not produce wagons.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 19
      +1
      Yeah. Given the technological lag that has appeared over the past two decades, and which has not yet been eliminated
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 6 December 2012 13: 44
        +1
        Pimply,
        Yeah. Given the technological lag that has appeared over the past two decades,

        So it’s not for me to tell you, of course, it’s better to buy your own for the defense of an order, and only if foreign equipment is better in some respects according to experts, then only in this case you can buy. And not by a massive transition to the purchase of foreign equipment, uniforms ( as they thought before, etc.).
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 December 2012 14: 12
          +1
          Americans massively purchase equipment if they do not have a corresponding analogue. And then, when the soldiers are protected - they begin to urgently rivet their own. That should be the approach. A soldier comes first.
  8. click80
    click80 6 December 2012 11: 45
    +3
    Buy only from yourself and no one else.
    Now I read the news that Dmitry Rogozin plans to transfer from his official BMW to the official Tiger.
    1. urzul
      urzul 6 December 2012 11: 49
      +3
      Take a ride for the media, post the photo on Twitter, put it in the garage and continue to ride a Mercedes.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 13: 03
        +3
        Quote: urzul
        Take a ride for the media, post the photo on twitter, put it in the garage

        A civilian tiger, but not a luxury one, costs more than 100 bucks, and for Rogozin it will fly at two more.
        1. click80
          click80 6 December 2012 13: 23
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          Sanya welcome. Here is a description of the car. hold back the price
          According to Ekaterina Pankova, press secretary of the Russian Machines corporation (which includes the GAZ group), the new car will be a standard police off-road vehicle with a five-door body without armor and with VIP-luxury interior trim. The machine will be equipped with a Yaroslavl-made engine.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 December 2012 15: 14
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            Quote: click80
            Here is a description of the car. hold back the price

            Hi Sergey, I watched the program on NTV, the leader was Fedortsov. Here they were telling and showing the civil Tiger, the price was not fancy 125 thousand green, but increased comfort, I don’t even want to assume.
          2. military
            military 6 December 2012 15: 17
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            Quote: click80
            will be standard policemen five-door SUV without armor and with VIP trim superior comfort.

            Well, yes ... where are the cops without a vip-salon? ... request
    2. military
      military 6 December 2012 12: 39
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      Quote: click80
      Now I read the news that Dmitry Rogozin plans to transfer from his official BMW to the official Tiger.

      and why not immediately to the service armored personnel carrier or T-90? ... belay
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 December 2012 12: 43
        +1
        The roads are still so broken ...
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 6 December 2012 13: 19
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      Tell it to the Americans
  9. demon ada
    demon ada 6 December 2012 11: 47
    +1
    to buy the best, at the best price (transparent pricing)
    and produced on the territory of the Russian Federation (including components and spare parts, armor and weapons) on such conditions, even with Martians
  10. erased
    erased 6 December 2012 11: 49
    0
    Kickbacks, interest, benefits - these are the main criteria for the selection of equipment. and not expediency Unfortunately this is the reality of today. Who recalls the army and its needs ?!
  11. iwind
    iwind 6 December 2012 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Wedmak
    to Kunashir, anchored and stands. Watching. And try what he can do, not the fact that you will not receive a response from the turntables from the landing

    And what will wave to him to do something? Just do not about nuclear weapons.
    Mistral is a landing ship with minimal self-defense functions. Around him should be destroyers or frigates, etc.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 December 2012 12: 09
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      I described what would hurt. This is a power projection ship. No more. Throwing him with a landing on the coast, dotted with pillboxes, artillery or coastal anti-ship missiles, will only be crazy.
  12. dimon-media
    dimon-media 6 December 2012 11: 54
    +2
    The purchase of foreign military equipment will be the beginning of the end of the Russian Federation. Not only will we completely and completely undermine our military-industrial complex, it is still unknown what the equipment will be crammed with (what kind of electronics?) And it is not known how it is flashed. In our digital 21st century, it would not be surprising if, in the event of such a war, 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX equipment would suddenly refuse to obey or would incorrectly give out information about the enemy. In that conflict with Georgia, all GPS technology was turned off with a light hand, unlike our GLONAS, which continued to work.
    P / S / buying someone else’s equipment, we will kill our sovereignty and the whole country and never, under any circumstances, will not return the former power of our military industrial complex. We will simply not be allowed to do this.
  13. demon ada
    demon ada 6 December 2012 11: 57
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    sorry newbie
    but how do you know about turning off the GPS and about the fact that GLONAS worked.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 6 December 2012 12: 03
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      The question is rhetorical, but I will answer. All ears were buzzing at that time. Well ZHYPIES THEN AND EVERYTHING. EXACTLY, WE HADN'T WORKED or, at best, issued incorrect data.
  14. anchonsha
    anchonsha 6 December 2012 12: 07
    +1
    What a stupid argument ... What the military department needs to do, which is beneficial for the army. If they are stealing godlessly in the Moscow Region, then there are no such businessmen in the military-industrial complex? Order must be put in the military-industrial complex. We do not need unsuitable weapons, so they are trying to fuse into our army, since no one needs trash beyond the hill. Naturally, we need our own weapons, but we also need to purchase partially copies over the hill in order to acquire new technologies.
  15. Lissyara
    Lissyara 6 December 2012 12: 20
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    No, the technique should be exclusively ours! Well ... we are with Italy, who will supply spare parts?
    ... because the cost of an Italian armored car is more than 3 times higher than the cost of a Russian analogue ... When Feldmeble and talk about. Accordingly, you can steal 3 times more money!
  16. andrei. 2012
    andrei. 2012 6 December 2012 12: 38
    0
    an armored car is more than 3 times higher than the cost of the Russian equivalent. At the same time, a number of specialists are sure that the Lynx has significant shortcomings in comparison with our Tiger, and therefore the purchase of 1700 units of Italian equipment is clearly not justified.
    And kickbacks, in a freely convertible. Who said that for "Taburetkin" This deal was not justified. How he led our army to fight, he definitely did not intend to fight with anyone.
  17. oldmen1973
    oldmen1973 6 December 2012 12: 59
    +1
    Strange article. What did the author want to say? The fact that the debate around procurement has been going on for a long time? so everyone knows about it. Maybe I just wanted to know our opinion? If so, then you could just ask a question, and not write as many lines.
    My opinion is to purchase only ours. All the same, foreigners will not sell us anything good, since they certainly will not have to wait for secret and innovative solutions from them. It will most likely be put up for sale that is, in principle, outdated and there is a newer approach that will come to the sold one for replacement. If our defense industry so needs samples, for this there is external intelligence, which these samples should be mined. And buying something from foreigners is too much. They correctly said - today friends, tomorrow enemies. Where to get spare parts? As war trophies?
    Regarding the dispute between the defense industry and the Ministry of Defense over the prices of products. It seems to me that it is time to remove this issue from the sphere of their contacts altogether. Let the government create a structure, let's call it the AME pricing committee, which will deal with this, which will be able to clearly explain why this sample costs so much and what to do to make it cost less. And our popularly elected president, as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, will fix these prices by his decree. There is no need for any government contracts or government purchases. With this game of "civilized market", our officials will waste all the deadlines for the implementation of the state defense order. The idea is crude and may be crazy, but it seems to me it will bring more benefit than the development of the defense industry of foreign (mainly NATO) states.
  18. klavyr
    klavyr 6 December 2012 13: 10
    +2
    From a potential adversary to buy equipment to fight with him the same? wassat
    Where are the guarantees that all this equipment will not stall at the most inopportune moment (on command from outside)? Well, even if it does not stall, then it probably has weaknesses? And if it is perfect in all respects, then the question arises, when replacing belts, filters, etc. who to contact?
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 6 December 2012 14: 13
      +2
      To an authorized dealer :-)
  19. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 6 December 2012 14: 02
    +4
    Do it yourself. There are minds, there is a base, there is raw materials, there is technology (if something is missing, we’re spioneer) - there’s more. Previously, the best was, and now it’s not worse, but in many respects the best. Over time, everyone will be imprisoned in Tuches, without exception.
  20. berserk1967
    berserk1967 6 December 2012 16: 47
    0
    What friends do not say, but you need to buy foreign equipment, that's just not in batches, but single copies and the best samples. Thoroughly study them, to the cog, and on this basis do your own thing.
    Remember how Soviet strategic aviation was created in the late 40s and early 50s, and American bombers that fell into our hands during the war were taken as a basis.
    So we improved them so much that the whole world still admires them.
  21. TNT
    TNT 6 December 2012 20: 03
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    Well, someone, they have excellent
  22. Bosk
    Bosk 6 December 2012 21: 08
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    There is a proven way, to buy small series and conduct military tests ... that way a year or two, and on our bumps a single jamb can’t hide .....