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MiG-29: sales prospects

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MiG-29 front-line fighter (9-12 product, according to NATO classification: Fulcrum is a fulcrum) is a Soviet / Russian multi-purpose fighter belonging to the fourth generation. It was developed in OKB MiG. The aircraft was developed in the early 1980-ies, he opened a new era in the development of light fighters. The MiG-29 became the first aircraft of this class in the world, which combined unsurpassed efficiency in maneuverable air combat, as well as the ability to attack enemy aircraft with medium-range missiles. The aircraft was designed to destroy all the types of air targets from various types of airborne cannons and guided missiles in a variety of meteorological conditions both in free space and against the background of the earth, including in terms of jamming. Also, the fighter is able to hit various ground targets.


For training and training of future pilots on the basis of a single model, a two-seat combat light combat fighter MiG-1985UB was mass-produced from 29. In this case, the on-board radar was not installed on it, but for testing the use of controlled weaponsequipped with radar homing heads, special imitation modes were provided. When designing the aircraft in the OKB MiG, it was possible to design a very high potential for improving the aircraft, which made it possible in the future to create a number of promising options for its modernization both in the interests of the Russian Air Force and in the interests of exporting countries.

A total of about 1600 MiG-29 fighters, which are in service with the Russian Air Force, as well as 28 countries of the world, were produced. Currently, RAC "MiG" continues to work on the serial production of improved versions of the MiG-29, including the MiG-29SMT and the upgraded MiG-29UB. In the interests of various kinds of customers, comprehensive programs for the modernization of MiG-29 fighter jets are being created and successfully implemented. These programs can improve the efficiency of fighters and reduce the cost of their operation.
MiG-29: sales prospects
MiG-29

One of the latest modifications of the aircraft designed for export is the version of the MiG-29UPG (9-20). This is a modernization of the MiG-29B fighter, which was carried out in the interests of the Indian Air Force. This upgrade involves the installation of an additional conformal dorsal fuel tank, as well as equipment to refuel the aircraft in the air. More advanced RD-33М-3 engines, gun control radar Zhuk-M2E, the inertial navigation system of the French company Thales, the optical system OLS-UEM, and the on-target targeting system made by the Israeli company Elbit are installed on the fighter. In addition, the fighter’s radionavigation systems were updated, and the cockpit received new multi-function LCD displays. The range of fighter weapons used will be expanded with X-29T / L, X-31А / П and X-35 missiles. Its first flight MiG-29UPG performed 4 February 2011 of the year.

Dashing 90-e

The unsuccessful marketing policy of the management of the MiG company, which was generated by high expectations after signing a phenomenal Malaysian contract in 1994 and focused on completely unrealistic price characteristics, led to the fact that in the second half of 1990, the company was able to conclude only 2 small contracts first for the supply of 3 fighters in Peru, and after another 8 fighter - in Bangladesh. It turned out to change the situation only with 1999, with the support of the Russian government and the new leadership of MiG, headed by Nikolai Nikitin. First of all, the efforts of the new management of the enterprise were aimed at activating corporate construction. At this time, a vertically integrated company was created on the basis of fragments of the MIC “MAPO”, which received the designation RSK MiG - “Russian Aircraft Corporation“ MiG ”.

All this made the innovation process in the enterprise more dynamic: it was possible to accelerate the work on designing new versions of the MiG-29 fighter, first of all, the MiG-29CMT and MiG-29K versions. In addition, RAC "MiG" was able to conclude a number of contracts that allowed the enterprise to gradually resume production and at least partially finance R & D.
MiG-29SMT

Overcoming the crisis

In 2000-2003, new contracts were signed with some countries in the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia. A total of about 45 fighter aircraft were exported. In addition, RSK "MiG" was able to conclude contracts for the supply of modifications of the MiG-29SMT or modernization of previously delivered fighters to this version.

So in 2001, Eritrea received the 2 MiG-29 fighter, which in the future was upgraded to the MiG-29CMT version (9-18). In 2003 – 2004, 12 MiG-29 fighters were delivered to Sudan, which paid approximately 140 – 150 million dollars for aircraft. Myanmar acquired the same batch of MiG-29 light fighters in 2001, deliveries were made in 2001 – 2002. In addition, a fairly large procurement program with a subsequent upgrade of a total of 20 fighters was implemented in the interests of Yemen. Initially, 2001 fighters MiG-12 and 29 MiG-2UB in the amount of 29 million were purchased in 420. After that, in 2004, the parties signed an additional contract, according to which Yemen will receive more 6 new MiG-29CMT fighters, and also upgraded the previously delivered 14 fighters to the same version.

Thus, by the middle of the 2000s, the Russian fighter manufacturer was able to get out of the crisis situation of 90. At this time, there was a significant strengthening of its corporate structure, improved the financial situation of the entire enterprise, the prerequisites for restoring full-cycle production and new fighter modification options appeared.
MiG-29K

The heyday of the export prospects of the Russian fighter fell on the 2004-2007 year, but by chance many promising deals were never completed. 24 January 2004 was contracted to reorganize the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya for India, at the same time a contract was signed for the creation and supply of the Indian Navy 16 MiG-29K / KUB fighters for a total of about $ 750 million. Also at this time, negotiations were underway to supply Venezuela's Air Force 50 order MiG-29SMT fighters. And at the beginning of 2006, the notorious contract with Algeria in the amount of 1,3 billion was signed. The contract provided for the supply of 28 fighters MiG-29CMT and 6 MiG-29UBT. Also in April, 2007, Syria, expressed a desire to purchase 12 MiG-29М / М2 fighters and another 4 interceptor MiG-31Е, the total amount of the deal could be 1,5 billion euros, being only a starting order.

If all of these projects could be implemented, the delivery of new modifications of the MiG-29 in terms of funds would be comparable to the supply of Su-30 fighters. But this was not to be. Venezuela decided to purchase SU-30MK2. The Algerian deal due to the competition of the local military-political elite was broken and ended with the return of already delivered aircraft to 15 and the refusal to continue the deal, and civil war broke out in Syria, which suspended the contract for an indefinite period and suspended it in the air.

Sales prospects

Of course, it can be noted that the Algerian crisis had some negative consequences for the image of a Russian company, but from a financial point of view it cannot be called a failure. RSK MiG retained the Algerian advance in the amount of 250 million dollars, and in addition received a contract from the Russian Air Force to buy all the fighters destined for Algeria. According to the most conservative estimates, the value of this contract is 15 – 20 billion rubles.
MiG-29CUB

In December 2009, a very important contract for the sum of 410 million euros was signed, according to this contract Myanmar was to receive 20 light fighters MiG-29Б / СЭ / УБ. The following year, the Indian Navy option was transferred to a firm contract for the purchase of another 29 MiG-29K / KUB fighter aircraft with a total value of 1,5 billion. Finally, in 2012, the Russian Navy ordered 24 of the same ship-based MiG-29K / KUB fighter for the 279-th separate ship-based fighter aviation regiment.

Prospects for further sales of the MiG-29 fighter both for the needs of the Russian Air Force and for export are determined by the following set of factors:

- comparative (in comparison with the “extreme” heavy platforms) simplicity of this fighter and the economics of its operation;

- the presence of a fairly extensive fleet of data of previous versions of fighters in 28 countries of the world, with trained personnel and already deployed the appropriate ground infrastructure. Some of these countries appear to be natural candidates for the purchase of new batches of modern modifications based on the MiG-29;

- low political sensitivity of deliveries of such fighters with a moderate radius of action and a comparatively low combat load in comparison with heavy fighters with an take-off weight of more than 30 tons;

- the presence of a unique proposal to date - the deck version of the MiG-29K fighter, the only mass-produced horizontal take-off fighter that can take off from aircraft carrier ships without the use of a catapult;

- the still remaining possibility of Russia to control (due to the deliveries of engines) the export of Chinese J-F-10 and FC-1 / JH-17 Chinese light and medium fighters, which are quite similar in technical and financial characteristics.
MiG-29M

One of the largest and most promising markets is still India. And although RAC "MiG" lost in the MMRCA tender for the supply of 126 medium multifunctional combat aircraft, the MiG-29 still has good chances in the Indian market. Negotiations and delivery of Dassault Rafale fighters, which won the tender, will take quite a long time, while in order to maintain the size of the fleet of Indian fighter air forces will require intermediate purchases of fighters. Such a fighter may well be the MiG-29UPG (9-20). In addition, as the program to build its own carrier ships develops, the Indian Navy will need to increase its fleet of partially delivered and contracted 45 MiG-29K / KUB fighters. Most likely Delhi buy more 20-24 data machines.

In addition, in recent years there has been an increase in demand from the oil-producing states of the CIS - Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and to a lesser extent Turkmenistan. All these states can be considered as potential buyers of the MiG-29М / М2. Given that the most promising "anti-Western" markets are under blockade (we are talking about Iran and Syria), supplies to the CIS are seen as quite promising. An unequivocal interest in the purchase of the MiG-29М / М2 has already been expressed by Kazakhstan. The choice in favor of these fighters is logical for the Air Force of relatively poor countries, which are already operating these fighters of previous modifications. These countries today include Sudan, Peru, Bangladesh, Cuba and Myanmar, and Serbia in Europe.

Information sources:
-http: //vpk-news.ru/articles/13345
-http: //www.migavia.ru/military/index.html
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 6 December 2012 09: 33 New
    +13
    Good plane for its time. However, it is time to move on and develop promising aircraft. Figuratively speaking, in modern conditions it is impossible for 100 years to be ridden with the same product, even if it has been modernized five hundred times.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 6 December 2012 09: 39 New
      +5
      that's for sure he is elegant and beautiful

      but as long as there are contracts with India and the Russian Navy, maybe for a moment-35 what’s next ?? no

      or oblivion awaits for a moment, if it’s not sad, or you need to move a new product (but there is no money and apparently desire), they will not be allowed to have a competitor pack there
      1. VAF
        VAF 6 December 2012 12: 07 New
        +13
        Quote: Rustam
        or oblivion awaits for a moment, if it’s not sad, or you need to move a new product (but there is no money and apparently desire), they will not be allowed to have a competitor pack there


        Rustam, hello!

        1. To the author +! But I’ll add. What was the Osa radar station on UB for a long time! wink with all the ensuing possibilities! wink

        2. We still need to live up to the PAK FA, but we don’t have LFI request

        3. Airplanes in every sense ..... handsome and for a very long time will be in demand and needed! fellow
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 6 December 2012 20: 26 New
          +4
          Everything is beautiful, but a little from the article disturbs me. The main idea of ​​the afftor is how would we sell something more to someone ...
          the impression is that we only need airplanes for sale. I understand, of course, that this is necessary, without this anywhere, industry must develop, and defeat the adversary in the arms markets - a trade war also testifies to the strength of the country.
          But, damn it, it’s kind of sad because we are happy about the very possibility of selling something to someone else. I was very pleased when they said to all foreign comers - "Kh.r.e. to you, not Su-34." Yes it is really cool! This indicates that we respect ourselves! What we protect ourselves!
          "And again, curved narrow roundabout paths stretch before me." BUT . and B. Strugatsky
          1. Belo_biletnik
            Belo_biletnik 8 December 2012 09: 41 New
            +1
            SW Botanologist, I think the point is not in the corporation’s desire to simply sell to everyone except its own, here the banal desire of the MIGs to simply survive. After all, in order to exist and develop, they need money .. huge contracts with the MoE as in dry so far should not be expected ..
    2. TRON
      TRON 6 December 2012 22: 22 New
      -8
      Quote: Stiletto
      Good plane for its time

      Old man
  2. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 6 December 2012 09: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Rustam
    they will not be allowed to have a competitor pack fa

    So you answered the question why there is no new product ...
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 6 December 2012 10: 19 New
      +3
      There are a lot of "products", but the bad thing is "exclusive" ones. We need hundreds of new gliders, not two or three prototypes. Which, by the way, our beloved authorities, even before the start of mass production, are already dreaming of involving India or China.
      1. Zerstorer
        Zerstorer 6 December 2012 11: 56 New
        0
        And how do you get it in India if you don't produce it yourself? Who needs such a car? And then they are surprised that the MiG-35 did not win the competition.
  3. karimbaev
    karimbaev 6 December 2012 10: 34 New
    +4
    if you give Mig-29m2 (35), we need to update the entire fleet of Mig-29 600 guards aviation wing about 96 pieces are needed, at least sell 48 units
  4. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 6 December 2012 10: 39 New
    +2
    beautiful planes, but for some reason, preference is given to Sukhoi more and more, competition should still be
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 December 2012 10: 52 New
    +2
    By the way, are you going to do something like PAK FA, just light? Maybe it’s time to start MiG to work out this idea.
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 6 December 2012 12: 08 New
      +7
      You know, they worked a lot






      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 6 December 2012 12: 24 New
        +1
        Of course, I heard about the 1.42,1.44, but I meant the 5 generation aircraft. In appearance only MIG-XX looks like him, but I have not heard of that.
        1. Zerstorer
          Zerstorer 6 December 2012 13: 39 New
          +2
          Well, it depends on what requirements to put forward to the 5th generation. It is possible that those who ask the question: "Do you need the 5th generation or a good combat aircraft?"
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 6 December 2012 16: 27 New
        +3
        MIG1.42 is similar to the Chinese.
        1. black_eagle
          black_eagle 6 December 2012 18: 06 New
          +8
          on the contrary, this Chinese is similar to him, here are the hedgehogs)))))
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 6 December 2012 18: 11 New
            +4
            You are right!)))))))))))) Mixed up. What would they do without us?
  6. rkka
    rkka 6 December 2012 10: 56 New
    +8
    Quote: Rustam
    will not be allowed to have a competitor pack fa
    MiG does not need to compete with Sukhoi in the development of a super-fighter. PAK FA is a heavy class i.e. very expensive and effective. And there is still a niche of light fighters i.e. as cheap as possible, with moderately good characteristics. That's where MiG needs to be targeted.
    1. Van
      Van 6 December 2012 15: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: rkka
      And there is still a niche of light fighters i.e. as cheap as possible, with moderately good characteristics. That's where MiG needs to be targeted.

      As an example, conduct research in the creation of aviation light combat drones. fellow
    2. tomket
      tomket 8 December 2012 16: 48 New
      0
      why doesn’t it take a moment to compete? or is our white wedge converging? Do you know the proverb about pike and perch in a pond? PAK FA somehow really gives away profanity and cheap populism, but you need real airplanes.
  7. Lucky
    Lucky 6 December 2012 11: 08 New
    -5
    I think MiG has a role to play, make drones, and release PAX!
    1. fern
      fern 6 December 2012 14: 27 New
      +1
      You are not mixed up? Does MiG also have its own PAK FA? or something else maybe I didn’t understand or miss?
  8. fatalist
    fatalist 6 December 2012 12: 00 New
    +2
    I think the fifth-generation lightweight fighter makes sense after the PAK FA goes into production (well, or at least after it passes all the tests).

    It is at PAK FA that all the technologies need to be worked out, otherwise it will be very expensive to work out technical solutions and technologies on two different (heavy and light) fighters at once.

    The Americans, despite their abundant funding, first made the heavy F-22, and then the light F-35.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 6 December 2012 17: 50 New
      +1
      The F-35 isn’t lightweight. It’s just lighter than the F-22. But if you look at the performance characteristics, you won’t be able to call it easy.
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto 6 December 2012 14: 21 New
    +2
    I would like to continue the glorious history, I want the Yankees to continue to dream of “killing the MIG”, and that these dreams would never come true. So that when our new cars appear in the sky on all Scrapters, not only oxygen starvation, but also diarrhea immediately occurs.
  10. toguns
    toguns 6 December 2012 14: 34 New
    +1
    fool what kind of sell they themselves do not.
    I swear like little children :(
    in fact it is necessary to do a series now
    mig-29-200 pcs on the navy,
    mig-29 cm-100,
    mig-xnumx-xnumx.
    ps
    I can be mistaken, but nevertheless by the numbers the cost of the Mig-35 and Mig-29cm is cheaper than the Su-30 and Su-35 ..
    and as I think orders for the moment should still be ...
    although there isn’t much faith, it feels like the generals are not in the air force and in mo but the blanks :(
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 6 December 2012 16: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: toguns
      in fact it is necessary to do a series now

      it is necessary who argues
      Quote: toguns
      mig-29-200 pcs on the navy,

      Where are they 200 palubnikov for one Kuznetsov ?! They are on it as ... as ... well, in general, they will cushion it from all sides including the bottom wassat
      Quote: toguns
      mig-29 cm-100,
      mig-xnumx-xnumx.

      Nah, I disagree :)))) probably, probably
      250 - Mig-35
      50 - Mig-29K
      And at least 100 Mig-29 old series re-equip to Mig-29CMT. But better is 200. If there are so many normal migovs in which it is worthwhile to invest grandmas for modernization, we don’t get it - accordingly we increase the number of MiG-35 laughing
      1. toguns
        toguns 6 December 2012 16: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Where are they 200 palubnikov for one Kuznetsov ?! They are on it as ... as ... well, in general, they will cushion it from all sides including the bottom

        one regiment per fleet +1 regiment kuse + in reserve
        that's all instant-29 came in handy :)
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Nah, I disagree :)))) probably, probably
        250 - Mig-35
        50 - Mig-29K

        may very well be
        it’s hard to say what is better than the navy at the moment is Mig-35 or still Mig-29 to
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 6 December 2012 17: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: toguns
          one regiment per fleet


          Like on the usual airdromes or where? I don’t understand where you want to base them, if on the ground, then why the MiG-29K, its ability to base on an aircraft carrier will be meaningless, then the MiG-35 or upgraded 29 will be fine.
        2. Bronis
          Bronis 6 December 2012 20: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: toguns
          Quote: Andrei from Chelyabinsk Nooo, I disagree :)))) I probably need this: 250 - Mig-3550 - Mig-29

          For Kuznetsov MiG-29K in the amount of about 20 pcs. are buying. For the coastal aviation of the Navy, it seems to me that Sukhoi is better suited: the range and load are better, and radar capabilities are also likely.
          Actually, heavy aircraft also plan for coastal aviation. So far the matter is modest. A contract was signed for the 12 Su-30СМ for the fleet.
          1. VAF
            VAF 6 December 2012 20: 46 New
            +5
            Quote: Bronis
            So far the matter is modest. A contract was signed for 12 Su-30SM for the fleet.


            If possible, more about this, maybe I missed something. recourse

            Initially, the contract included 40-12 for the Navy and 28 for the Air Force, then last time only 30 were announced for the Air Force, but where is the fleet?

            Regards, +! soldier
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 6 December 2012 20: 48 New
              0
              Hi Seryozha
              1. igor67
                igor67 6 December 2012 20: 58 New
                +1
                Alex 241,
                Hi Sasha, I’ve already uploaded this video a couple of times. but it's about a moment "9
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 6 December 2012 21: 04 New
                  +1
                  Hello Igor, literally an hour ago I watched him good
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 6 December 2012 21: 12 New
                    +1
                    Alex 241,
                    I wanted to shoot f16 on the video. I didn’t have time. while I tuned up, they began to fly higher. and now it’s generally raining in the morning drinks there was information. that Israel also acquired Su27 for training
            2. Bronis
              Bronis 6 December 2012 21: 16 New
              +1
              It seems like MO planned out of those 30 units. give away 12 pcs. to the fleet. It was voiced by representatives of the Ministry of Defense shortly before the conclusion of the contract. According to the "Star", mine (radio). Yes, and met in the electronic media, but earlier, from half a year ago. Then, like the option of boards on 10 was voiced, but only for the Air Force.
              They also said that it was not planned to buy a large number of Su-30 for the Air Force, which would be used to train pilots for flights to the PAK FA. As far as I remember, it was voiced so. But you don’t read the contract or what. The representative is the customer — MO, and where he gives it, he will give it there ...
              with no less respect +
      2. tomket
        tomket 8 December 2012 16: 50 New
        0
        they will swarm like wasps over Kuznetsov)
  11. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 December 2012 16: 42 New
    +4
    for one day become a pilot of a combat jet aircraft and fly at a speed of up to 2500 km \ h. During the flight, aerobatics will be performed: “Barrel”, “Nesterov's Loop”, “Bell”, “Knife” and others. In the air, you can constantly communicate with the pilot, take control and independently perform aerobatics. In this case, your actions will be under the control of the pilot instructor of the highest category. And at the end of the program, your guests will see a spectacular spectacle: the plane will make a passage over the airfield at an extremely low altitude of 15-20 meters. Flights are conducted year-round at the Sokol air base in Nizhny Novgorod .------------------- from myself, I’ll only add that 25 minutes cost 380.000 rubles. In my opinion, if you take the commercial extra charge is really an economical aircraft.
  12. patsantre
    patsantre 6 December 2012 18: 10 New
    +1
    Let me state my thoughts.
    Firstly, at the expense of the Amers. It’s just that many people take it easy, and it’s a sin not to see how things are going with the adversary. In short, we all know that in the future their Air Force, Navy and ILC will consist only of supposedly light F-35s ( 2400 aircraft in total were planned), plus a couple of hundred heavy raptors. So, at the expense of the F-35. It’s not easy yet. The mass of the empty F-22 is 20 tons. The empty F-35 is 13.3-15.8 tons, depending from the version. And the light F-16 didn’t reach 9.5 tons. In short, the amers didn’t just decide to transfer to one single plane, they refused to divide into light and heavy fighters, replacing them with medium ones.
    Secondly, at the expense of our aircraft in the current realities. IMHO, it’s enough to deeply upgrade and repair the MiG-29 that we have now, and nothing new needs to be produced. This, of course, if these aircraft are in good condition and not very For the same Amers, the average age of the F-16 (the oldest they have long been written off) is not lower than the average age of the MiG-29, but they have a lot more raid than ours, especially in early 2000, i.e. our aircraft will have enough resources for a long time. Therefore, it’s cheaper, without losing efficiency, just to upgrade the existing fleet.
    Now for the future. There are two options (hereinafter purely my amateurish IMHO)
    1) Change what is on the 5th generation LFI. But the 5th generation implies so many markups that the LFI doesn’t work out, it’s a medium fighter like the F-35. We’ll start mass production no earlier than in 10 years, and then, provided that now the development of such an aircraft is in full swing.
    2) Leave the LFI class in the army, but I doubt that it is possible to make a LFI of the 5th generation, which will fly at supersonic sound, and see enemies beyond 400 km, and is hardly noticeable for radars (think about how much small LFI has space in the internal compartments. it will fit 4 small rackets, of course it doesn’t do anything). Then why do you still have to forget about the 5th generation? And change 4-generation aircraft to 4+? With that, you can limit yourself to modernization? I like option 1 more ...
    1. Belo_biletnik
      Belo_biletnik 8 December 2012 09: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: patsantre
      Secondly, at the expense of our aircraft in the current realities. IMHO, it’s enough to deeply upgrade and repair the MiG-29 that we have now, and nothing new needs to be produced. This, of course, if these aircraft are in good condition and not very worn out.


      I don’t know how in aviation, but judging by some of the state. enterprises, it seems to me half of the fleet of old twigs has probably been a donor for a long time. 2 decades of worthless financing crying
    2. tomket
      tomket 8 December 2012 16: 56 New
      +1
      You can Serdyukov and the company to dispossess and buy aircraft in the will, and the modernization will remain)
  13. DimYang
    DimYang 6 December 2012 18: 23 New
    +2
    His glider is gorgeous. In other words, to say is an easy fighter of gaining superiority in the air. Based on the concept of warfare, according to our Soviet concept of warfare, he was excellent. Those who did not understand this or do not understand now are those narrow-minded people. The conditions and concept of war changed, but the fighter remained the same, namely the glider. It’s not necessary to fence the garden, now it’s more in demand than ever (in my opinion, we don’t have to spend energy and resources on developing a new one –– no time for this, we are on the verge of a new full-scale war –– the enemies cannot do otherwise, why --- another question) ) For the future development, this is good, but I haven’t said it again since. Do not forget that open aggression is being prepared against us and the bill for months (I want to make a mistake, even better so) is not for years.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 6 December 2012 19: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: dimyan
      Do not forget that open aggression is being prepared against us and the bill for months (I want to make a mistake, even better so) is not for years.


      Admit it, did you drink with the Pentagon directors yesterday at the Brudershaft? Or, if not, where is such confidence that aggression is being prepared against us? Yes, and even in the near future?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 6 December 2012 19: 35 New
        +4
        Yesterday they wrote that "secret documents" disappeared in Switzerland. I am glad that they are in good hands
      2. DimYang
        DimYang 6 December 2012 22: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: patsantre
        Admit it, did you drink with the Pentagon directors yesterday at the Brudershaft? Or, if not, where is such confidence that aggression is being prepared against us? Yes, and even in the near future?


        I don’t feel like talking to fools. IN A SCHOOL FOR RETRAINING. It’s a pity the Soviet school is no longer so.
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 7 December 2012 12: 42 New
          0
          If for you a fool is someone who looks at things realistically, does not suffer from paranoia and does not believe that one of our tanks is able to cope with the enemy’s tank brigade, relatively speaking, we really have nothing to say. I can only advise you to disappear from here and not make people laugh their pathetic attempts to build a wise guy out of himself.
          1. DimYang
            DimYang 7 December 2012 20: 59 New
            -1
            Quote: patsantre
            this is the one who looks at things really


            By tank - PLEASE NOTE that you wrote it, not me. Fool, I REPEAT FOR Dumb - this is one who reads, but does not understand the meaning of what is written. And your cons only confirm this.
            1. patsantre
              patsantre 8 December 2012 11: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: dimyan
              does not understand the meaning of what is written.

              And what could be the point in a set of words written by a schizo?
    2. VAF
      VAF 6 December 2012 20: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: dimyan
      but I repeat, no, not with time. Do not forget that open aggression is being prepared against us and the bill for months (I want to make a mistake, even better so) is not for years.


      Well, you’re the brother of course. although minor conflicts such as August 2008 may still be possible ....., I certainly understand that he. This conflict may be an ordinary temptation to promote a larger conflict against us, but this is unlikely, because. while we "feed" the whole of Europe with gas, we are invincible!
      But with China, yes, there may be problems.

      And the rest .. on the plane you are right at all 1000%! drinks
      1. DimYang
        DimYang 6 December 2012 22: 02 New
        -2
        You know about this form of getting rid of addiction. like killing a lender. If you know, you’ll forget it in vain. Think better with your head. I’m generally silent about people with a nickname like “patsantre”. It’s not even a troll, it’s a well-read fool. No worse than a well-read idiot. I don’t feel like talking to him at all. I read your comments, you have to move your brains. Recently there was an article about the Latvian and Estonian army on the site. There were funny reviews there. It is understandable. Their armies are caricatured, BUT the thing is. that many NATO soldiers were gathered on their territory. I have no evidence, but there is such a science as logic. She says it's not so simple. They are ready for the invasion. Only an excuse is needed. By the way, do not forget about NATO ships in the Baltic Sea. Something has become too much of them lately. The media say that in Afghanistan the NATO contingent is being reduced, and meanwhile, the shock units are also replenishing. (again, analytics). By the way, do not forget about the trained forces in Moscow. There is such a Beitar organization, the Jews know it well. Unlike our school, where military primary training is destroyed, they do not forget about it. The NATO platoon to guard the US embassy may suddenly turn into a division. In my opinion no less. Yes, and there is such General Filatov, he has a website KLICH.RU look in his articles. He writes a lot about it. Conditions for sabotage before the invasion of the shaft. The reasons are all the more so. It's all about the occasion. Do you distinguish reason from reason? So not long left. Better I am mistaken. But if not, then our fate is not enviable.
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 7 December 2012 12: 57 New
          +1
          If you like to think so logically with us, try to move at least a little what remains of the brain. First, how are they going to repel a nuclear strike, which will undoubtedly happen in the event of aggression? Especially since you, as a cap-taker, probably don’t You believe that their missile defense is capable of repelling a massive nuclear strike.
          Further, why should they attack us? Russia feeds the economy of the West quite well. I think such a smart person like you should not paint the situation with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. A war with Russia will inflict a powerful blow on the economy of the West, and I’m I doubt that the resources that they will get as a result of victory will be able to offset the costs.
          In the end, they, unlike you, understand that if they clash with Russia, and even if the nuclear weapons are not destroyed, and winners leave the war, they will be so weakened that they will no longer have the strength to fight the war with China.
          Meanwhile, a war with Russia is at least enormous economic damage, at the very least - the destruction of the Western world. Even with the most favorable outcome for them, after this war, China may remain the only superpower. It has steadily developed, built muscle and spread out of the war. its yuan around the world, while the war-suffering dollar was falling and the West was breaking its economy by war, and a small part of our ICBMs that had achieved their goal helped him.
          And what, explain to me, the reason for such a war?
          1. DimYang
            DimYang 7 December 2012 20: 54 New
            -3
            Quote: patsantre
            Further, why should they attack us? Russia feeds the economy of the West quite well.


            Who told you that?.

            Quote: patsantre
            even if nuclear weapons are not destroyed


            The current rulers in Russia have a thin gut to use nuclear weapons.


            Quote: patsantre
            they don’t have enough strength for the war with China.


            China militarily is a plywood tiger. There are just a lot of them.
            They didn’t tell you about this. They are grown, with only one purpose, against us.


            Quote: patsantre
            being a hat-taker


            I have never done this. Get your fantasies out of your head. I’m tired of repeating to you for retraining in school.
            1. patsantre
              patsantre 7 December 2012 21: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: dimyan
              Who told you that?

              You seem to be trying to flaunt your logic with us. I seem to have written to the Central Bank, can you read at all?

              Quote: dimyan
              The current rulers in Russia have a thin gut to use nuclear weapons.

              On the basis of what facts is this conclusion? Again violent fantasy of peace does not give?

              Quote: dimyan
              China militarily is a plywood tiger. There are just a lot of them.

              A lot - and what?
              Quote: dimyan
              They are grown, with only one purpose, against us.


              Are they of the type of dogs, which are enough to unchain on the orders of the West, and they will attack us? wassat here's the news. Think of something more realistic.
              They are trying to pit us and China, but nothing more.

              Quote: dimyan
              I’m tired of repeating to you for retraining in school.

              And your school is a sore subject, as I look.
              1. DimYang
                DimYang 7 December 2012 23: 34 New
                -1
                I’ll tell you so about the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, music will not play for long. I generally am silent about your imagination. Indeed, you only more subject to my assumptions about your stupidity. If it hurts you so much another minus in your direction. By the way, I didn’t put you cons, unlike you. I send you to school, because upbringing does not allow me to send you to hell. Well, it’s very difficult with dumb people. I have seen degenerates in my life. But what would it be.
                1. Belo_biletnik
                  Belo_biletnik 8 December 2012 09: 52 New
                  +1
                  Demyan seems to have already built a bunker, pulled out of an oiled rag and put in order grandfather tarry wink Not yet? then it seems like you don’t believe in the coming war ...
                  1. DimYang
                    DimYang 8 December 2012 12: 25 New
                    -2
                    What to believe, this is a purely personal matter for everyone. But the war, it’s like that, once it came suddenly, well, like winter, for some not far off.
                2. patsantre
                  patsantre 8 December 2012 11: 36 New
                  +1
                  It is ridiculous to read the death throes of the wretched dreamer, who, for lack of arguments, opens his rotten mouth and sticks out another batch of verbal diarrhea.

                  Quote: dimyan
                  I've seen degenerates in my life

                  still, every day in the mirror wassat
                  1. DimYang
                    DimYang 8 December 2012 12: 23 New
                    -2
                    They didn’t teach you to read. Thinking of brains is not enough for you. He is a degenerate and a degenerate in Africa (folk wisdom). To teach a fool, only to spoil. What is the truth, she always hurts?
                    1. patsantre
                      patsantre 8 December 2012 19: 52 New
                      +1
                      Why are your fantasies wretched, come up with something new, before you could laugh at least from your delirium, but now I’ve started repeating myself laughing .Buy a new brain, the fantasy may at least be updated with it, though your mother will have to sell you to the St. Petersburg Kunstkamera for this, because I doubt that with your education you can afford such an expensive purchase yourself wassat
                      1. DimYang
                        DimYang 9 December 2012 11: 51 New
                        -2
                        Unlike you, I have it (you said it yourself), but you never have it. Like you plankton it is not laid. Well, poor mind, therefore, is your innate quality.
                      2. patsantre
                        patsantre 9 December 2012 14: 19 New
                        0
                        As the saying goes: do you see a gopher? And I don’t see. And he is. Just because you don’t see my fantasies and don’t notice the last stage of the schiza at home doesn’t mean that these things don’t exist :) And at the expense of my stupidity “You’re some kind of inferior, will I see if you have a sore point? Or you started to work out like a parrot, and you won’t be able to justify a single word, as usual, yap bazaar)
                        Quote: dimyan
                        blah blah blah bring my pills back

                        but from this we have to wean, maybe a gyrus (albeit small, but what is wassat ) will start working as intended
            2. tomket
              tomket 8 December 2012 17: 00 New
              0
              In China, wouldn’t they be bleeding with someone now, will they fight with us for a month and will they ask us for engines? Or will the American Nimits be dispersed by the former Varyag? Before fighting, it would be necessary to re-arm the army first, and not try to make a formidable weapon from MiG-19 and m-54.
              1. DimYang
                DimYang 9 December 2012 12: 01 New
                -1
                If you move your brains a little, you will realize that in China the information on the military budget is greatly underestimated. The actual funding for various military programs is classified. What they show to everyone does not mean anything. The maritime component of their forces there is still apparently in grandiose plans. But the land is now numerous and larger than ours in the Far East. Moreover, they consider our lands right up to the Urals “their temporarily lost territories” - says a lot.
                1. patsantre
                  patsantre 9 December 2012 14: 14 New
                  -1
                  Quote: dimyan

                  If you move your brains a little,


                  This, if there is something to move. In your case, only subtract from the Internet, as you actually did wassat
                  1. DimYang
                    DimYang 28 February 2013 13: 57 New
                    -1
                    You attribute your "deeds" to others. "Well done!" (I look through old comments). Show up dropout.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 6 December 2012 20: 48 New
    +5
    Mig-29 was a great plane. Today, at airbases, where there is the 29th, 2 sides of the force fly from the squadron. The fleet of vehicles is very outdated, and in addition to the aircraft themselves, there are also SNOP (ground handling facilities), there are also many problems. F-16 is constantly being upgraded, undergoing repairs. Now imagine Mig-29, released in the year 89th: after receiving it from the factory, he went to the Western Group of Forces, then he left the plane and ended up in Milerovo, in the Rostov steppes, in the 90s, there were no flights, there was no full service, there is no repair, then he was sent to serve in Armenia, at the 102nd base of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, where he stands in an open parking lot (in the summer + 40, and in winter it can be -30), because of the strong sun, the glazing of the lantern wears out faster and with great overload can collapse right in flight, the delivery of spare parts from Russia is also a problem. VERY NEW PLANES ARE VERY NEEDED. Mig-35 is quite suitable.
    1. tomket
      tomket 8 December 2012 17: 02 New
      +1
      Saw the way how gliders of MiGs on trailers along the Rostov highway in the Moscow direction were taken out from under Millerovo, a sad sight.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 6 December 2012 23: 01 New
    +1
    In terms of aerodynamic layout and design solutions, I see another 20-30 years supply. And this is the main point! It’s always possible to adapt modern electronics and weapons. Engines will also compute. Such a product will serve for a long time for the benefit of our Motherland!
  • david210512
    david210512 7 December 2012 18: 50 New
    0
    Thunderboltbecause documentation was sold to China for an instant 1.42
  • brush
    brush 9 December 2012 15: 51 New
    0
    In 91, there was a lot of noise due to the fact that a Saudi F-16 shot down two Iraqi Mig-29s in an air battle. Even the video was shown.

    But were there opposite results?
  • Sergei75
    Sergei75 23 March 2014 11: 06 New
    0
    No guys, moment 29 is already yesterday, the adversaries are yet to come, so Idiya didn’t buy them, and they shot down moment 29 not only F16, but ours, our native su27, distinguished himself only in Yugoslavia, and even that ... In general, they’re clumsy 29 ... But this is not a reason to shout all this garbage, bullshit, ours .... longer, we must learn and do new things.