Military Review

Heroism without national borders

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The Great Patriotic War showed the world amazing examples of courage and resilience, heroism of the multinational people of the Soviet Union. Remind about the cohesion of various nationalities of the Soviet Union and the heroism of their representatives in defending the Fatherland in the most difficult years for him, and thus sharpen the desire to peer more closely at our history living today, the feeling of their gratitude to the soldiers of that time is the purpose of the story of heroism, which did not know national boundaries.

The course and results of the Great Patriotic War, unprecedented in scale, severity and uncompromising showed that the strength of the people who won Victory over fascism, in its unity, spiritual cohesion, regardless of nationality, faith and national traditions, in the justice of the goals for which the people lead armed struggle. The state of society at that time is accurately depicted in the song “Holy War”, which even today cannot be listened to indifferently. The call for a "mortal battle" with the "dark fascist force" was heard by millions of Soviet people. That is why everyone rose up to fight the fascist invasion: old and young, men and women, all nations and nationalities of the Soviet Union, which turned Soviet society into a strong military organism and became one of the decisive sources of Victory in that war.

Starting a war against the Soviet Union, the fascist German leadership was counting on the aggravation of interethnic contradictions within our country, that the multinational Soviet state is, say, an "ear on clay feet," which at the first strike of the Wehrmacht would disintegrate and cease to exist. However, this did not happen: the calculations of the Nazis did not materialize - the friendship of the peoples with honor stood the test of the war and became even more tempered.

From the very first days of the war, the unparalleled heroism of soldiers and commanders of various nations and nationalities of the Soviet Union seriously disrupted the plans of the German offensive, slowed down the advance of the enemy troops, and then ensured a breakthrough during the war and its victorious conclusion. The defense of the Brest Fortress, the Caucasus, Leningrad, the Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk battles and other glorious pages of the history of the Great Patriotic War, which were written with unparalleled feats of the Soviet soldier. Close the body of the embrasure of the enemy pillbox, rush with grenades under the tank, go to the ram in an air battle - only real sons and daughters of their people, heroes could.

Significant contributions to the defeat of the fascist army were made by national formations and units, the formation of which began as early as August 1941, and which were staffed by the human and material resources of the RSFSR, Ukraine, Belarus, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Turkmenistan. The real possibilities of each of the union republics were different, but each of them laid everything on the altar of the Victory that it could. The first was the 201-I Latvian Rifle Division, formed on 90% consisting of residents of the Latvian SSR and more than half consisting of Latvians. During the war years, national units were formed in the 11 union republics. In total, 66 national military units — 26 rifle and mountain rifle divisions, 22 cavalry divisions, and 18 rifle brigades — were formed in the Red Army. Of this number, 37 national military units participated in the fighting on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War.

34 million 476 thousands of people who were called up during the war in the Red Army, represented 151 nation and nation. And all of them - privates and commanders, infantrymen and tankmen, pilots and sailors, artillerymen and cavalrymen, telecommunications operators and doctors - sons and daughters of all the peoples of the Soviet Union were united in one thing: to defend the independence of the Motherland, to destroy the hated fascism. In this context, the story captured an interesting fact - the military exploit of the Armenian village of Chardakhlu, from which 1250 people (the entire male population) went to the front. Of these, 853 was awarded orders and medals, 452 fell to the death of the brave on the battlefield. This village gave the Motherland two Marshals (Baghramian, Babajanyan), four Heroes of the Soviet Union, many officers of senior commanders. It is difficult to find a similar village anywhere, like 16, the centuries-old Artsakh village of Chardakhlu.

The highest degree of heroism during the war years was shown by 11 635 soldiers who became Heroes of the Soviet Union. Of these: Russians - 8182, Ukrainians - 2072, Belarusians - 311, Tatars - 161, Jews - 108, Armenians - 99, Kazakhs - 96, Georgians - 89, Uzbeks - 69, Chuvash - 44, Azerbaijanis - 43 and others. Among the Heroes of the Soviet Union are representatives of over 100 nations and nationalities. The Lakians proved to be the most heroic, who rank first in the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union as a percentage of Heroes per capita of this nation. Including the Lak people, the pilot twice Hero of the Soviet Union Ahmet-Khan Sultan, Heroes of the Soviet Union commanders of infantry battalions Gadzhi Osmanovich Buganov and Rizvan Bashirovich Suleimanov, fighter tanks Tsakhai Makasharikovich Makeev, scout and artilleryman Yakub Suleymanov and other Heroes.

In total, over the 5 of millions of soldiers and officers were awarded with orders for the feats of the Great Patriotic War and more than 7,5 of millions were awarded with medals. Of the total number 9 284 199 awarded orders and medals: Russian - 6 172 976, Ukrainians - 1710 766, Belarusians - 311 105, Tatars - 174 886, Jews - 160 772, Kazakhs - 96 638, Uzbeks - 80 013, Armenians - 66 802, MND. - 57320 53566, Ossetians - 49 106, Estonians - 36 180, Latvians - 29 900, Karelians - 19 229, Lithuanians - 18, Buryats - 253 15, others - 549 14923.

The mass heroism of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War consisted of amazing individual models of heroism of representatives of various nationalities in battles on land and in the air, on water and under water, on fronts and in partisan detachments, the underground in the territories temporarily occupied by the enemy, in the rear at factories and collective farm fields. Let us recall at least some bright heroic feats accomplished by Soviet soldiers of various nationalities.

For courage and heroism shown during the crossing of the Dnieper, he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union: Uzbek, private Alinazarov Sodyk; a Kazakh, an assistant to the gunner of the anti-tank gun of the 7 Guards Cavalry Corps, the Private Guard Kaldykarayev Zhumagali; Tatarin, reconnaissance 325 of the separate reconnaissance 246 of the rifle division Sergeant Kaliev Anwar; Ossetians, shooters of the 5 Company 182 Rifle Regiment 62 Rifle Division, Private Guard Mashkov Igor Anatolyevich; the Bashkirs, the commander of the guns of the 75 artillery regiment, junior sergeant Murgazalimov Gaziz Gabidullovich; Mordvin, radio operator of the communications company of the 43 Infantry Regiment of the 106 Infantry Division, Senior Sergeant Shchukin Andrei Fedorovich; Jew, squad leader of the 163 Infantry Division, Sergeant Khokhlov Moses Zalmanovich.

At the most tense moment of the battle for Chernushki’s village, when the fire of the enemy machine gun pressed the company of the attacking Red Army men to the ground, the Russian private soldier Alexander Matrosov covered the embrasure of the enemy bunker with his chest. Having sacrificed himself, Matrosov ensured the success of the offensive and saved dozens of lives of his comrades. So the pupil of the Ivanovo orphanage, a nineteen-year-old Komsomol member, Alexander Matrosov, approved his immortality. The brave soldier was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union, and his name was forever listed in the 1 Company of the Guards Regiment, which began to bear the name of Alexander Matrosov. During the war, the feat of Alexander Matrosov was repeated by 300 people.

Abkhaz, Senior Sergeant Gablia Varlam Alekseevich, commander of the mortar calculation of the 144 Battalion of the Marine Corps of the 83th Marine Infantry Brigade of the 46 Army. He went through the whole war, liberated the cities of Europe, was 6 once injured, but each time after the hospital he returned to the line. In March, 1945, near the city of Esztergom (Hungary), fought for four days as part of a battalion in isolation from the main brigade forces, destroying a large number of enemy personnel. He was wounded, but he did not leave the battlefield.

Russian, senior sergeant Chirkov Fedor Tikhonovich, gunner of the 295-th separate anti-tank division 126-rifle Gorlovskaya division of the 43-th army. Particularly distinguished in the assault on Koenigsberg. During the assault of the fort №5, under strong mortar and rifle-and-machine-gun fire of the enemy from the distance 100 meters fired at the embrasure’s embrasure, then crawled to it and threw grenades at the embrasure, which contributed to the capture of the fort, which garrisoned 200 soldiers and officers.

Chechen, senior sergeant Khanpasha Nuradilovich Nuradilov, commander of the machine-gun platoon of the 5 Cavalry Division. Personally destroyed about a thousand fascists. He died in battle.

Russian, senior sergeant Popov Vasily Lazarevich. Distinguished himself in the storming of the city - the fortress of Koenigsberg. The commander of the shooting department assault group, Komsomol Company. In street battles over Königsberg, Senior Sergeant Popov, with a detachment, led the assault units of the Soviet fighters ahead. Personally destroyed 34 German soldiers, captured about 80, captured 2 guns. He died in battle.

An Azerbaijani, a private Hussein-zade Mehdi Ganifa oglu, fled from German captivity and fought with the Italian partisans, Garibaldi. Husein-Zade's group destroyed more than 600 German soldiers, 25 vehicles, 23 military garages and other military facilities. He died in battle.

Ukrainian, Borovchenko Maria Sergeevna, senior sergeant of the 32 Guards Artillery Regiment of the 13 Guards Rifle Division of the 5 Guards Army. She died in battle, covering the officer with her body.

Bashkir, senior sergeant Sutulov Grigory Alekseevich, commander of the walking intelligence unit. At the head of the reconnaissance group, he was one of the first to cross the Oder River (within the city of Opole, Poland). In the battlefield on the bridgehead, he provided command of the necessary intelligence information about the enemy, thereby contributing to the successful offensive of the troops.

And many, many other Soviet soldiers, whose courage and heroism did not know national borders. And the further the war years go down in history, the brighter we face their great feat, thanks to which the Soviet people won in the Great Patriotic War. We, contemporaries, should be grateful to the heroes for their freedom, remember the lessons of the past, the price of this freedom.

The war showed that our multinational people at the time of mortal danger can mobilize all their forces to defend their homeland. All gave their strength to fight the enemy: those who fought at the front, and those who worked in the rear. Only thanks to the feats of millions of people the current generation has the right to a free life.

Living now! Take a closer look at our history at the examples of the Heroes of the Great Patriotic War and pass on to the coming generation a sense of gratitude, involvement in the aspirations and dreams of the warriors of that time - they fought, died, defended the Fatherland for us who live now. It is important that the moral experience of the war years becomes an integral part of the spiritual world of present and future generations.

... Heroes in Russia have been at all times. There are they today. And this is the surest pledge of the invincibility of our Fatherland, its spiritual strength and the coming revival. As long as the Russian soldier is alive - a loyal son and defender of his homeland - Russia will be alive too - the Russian soldier remains a true patriot and worthy heir to the Russian army.
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  1. Beck
    Beck 8 December 2012 09: 03
    +24
    ETERNAL GLORY AND ETERNAL GRATITUDE.
    1. mda
      mda 8 December 2012 18: 16
      +5
      Quote: Beck

      ETERNAL GLORY AND ETERNAL GRATITUDE.

      ETERNAL MEMORY OF THE Fallen WARRIORS IN THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR.
  2. wolk71
    wolk71 8 December 2012 09: 20
    +11
    There was a Union; all were brothers and sisters; the Union was destroyed by all enemies. Well, and who needed it? Russian definitely does not need. To the famous and nameless heroes who stopped and destroyed the brown plague, eternal memory and glory.
    1. vyatom
      vyatom 9 December 2012 01: 40
      +6
      Wonderful article. All is true.
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 9 December 2012 18: 00
      0
      I think that this is necessary for the gentlemen from the authorities. Why? Because it is more profitable for them to govern a people who are fooled by nationalism in the bad sense of the word, when official propaganda declares the greatness of one nationality and its oppression in the USSR, when history is corresponded, for example, in Ukraine, when young people are implanted in a national policy alien to the USSR and exaltation of nationalists, such as Bendery, then young people and people who hate the USSR develop hatred of another nationality, all this is heated up and results in internecine conflicts on ethnic grounds, the government at this time does its job - accumulates capital. If in the union republics the titular nation rises, then in Russia it is the opposite. Russians are being squeezed, declared extremists, people who are shaking the foundations of Russia. Although even Stalin, a Georgian by nationality, in his speech on the occasion of the Victory, praised and praised the Russian people, the people are victorious, as the people who made the greatest contribution to the cause of Victory. In the USSR, this was not all. There was the principle “we live as one family!” And we lived together and happily, we had nothing to share.
  3. 22rus
    22rus 8 December 2012 09: 30
    +5
    Hmm ... What could have been different? Some of the nationalities, some people who lived in the USSR could, as they say, "kill"?
    What, when mobilizing a military person, they asked about nationality ???

    -A citizen of the USSR?
    - Yes!
    -Based on Art. 130, 132 and 133 of the Constitution of the USSR - to the army, to the front!
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 8 December 2012 12: 34
      +5
      22rus,
      Here, it would seem, everything is put in place. The specialists were booked. There was a huge army rushing to the front. Did the military registration and enlistment offices practice the order (what does nationality have to do with it?) Mowed? Yes!
      Fingers were chopped, etc. (the father told me one night he tied a boiled onion over his forehead - he comes to the military registration and enlistment office, and he has a huge bump on his forehead, he doesn’t have to put the cap on = and he slammed it) in every flock there’s a black sheep! ***** 34 million 476 thousand people, drafted during the war years into the Red Army, represented 151 nations and nationalities. *****
      From the stories of the participants = it was especially painful when the replenishment entered the trench and the command "to attack" came in - the soldier got up and immediately fell killed - that is. I did not have time for anything. And second: death from a stray bullet. And especially death after the proclaimed - VICTORY!

      ETERNAL GLORY!
      1. 22rus
        22rus 8 December 2012 13: 32
        -3
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        The military registration and enlistment offices worked out the order (what does nationality have to do with it?)

        Duc and I are the same!
        And what about nationality? Duty-bound? Here is an overcoat and a rifle! And to the front!
        I don’t understand why the author of the article needed to emphasize the affiliation of the defenders to this or that nation. You might think that the Tajik, seeing that the Uzbek went to fight, also decided to join the ranks of the soldiers. Or vice versa.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 8 December 2012 16: 17
          +9
          22rus

          Quote: 22rus
          And what about nationality? Duty-bound? Here is an overcoat and a rifle! And to the front!
          I don’t understand why the author of the article needed to emphasize the affiliation of the defenders to this or that nation.


          Re-read the article again, maybe you will understand.

          Thanks to the author for a great article.
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 8 December 2012 16: 36
      +8
      22rus

      Quote: 22rus
      -A citizen of the USSR?
      - Yes!
      -Based on Art. 130, 132 and 133 of the Constitution of the USSR - to the army, to the front!


      Tell it to him, you are our erudite!

      on the picture:

      Full St. George cavalier captain V.N. Gruslanov in Berlin.

      Captain Vladimir Nikolayevich Gruslanov, an order-bearer and knight of all St. George's Crosses, in service before the parade in the Tiergarten park in Berlin in honor of the solemn transfer of the Banner of Victory to the military commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin to send him to Moscow. In the background are visible self-propelled guns SU-76.

      Vladimir Nikolaevich Gruslanov (1894 - 1981). Born in the city of Buinaksk in Dagestan. Highlander father, Muslim, mother of the Kuban Cossack. In early childhood, lost his father and mother, was raised by his aunt, then in an orphanage. In 1914, with the declaration of war, he volunteered for the front, served in the Caucasian Cossack troops, in regimental intelligence. For courage in battle, he was awarded four St. George crosses, a silver dagger with the inscription “To the dashing scout of the George cavalier, the junior officer of the 3 Sunzhensk-Vladikavkaz Cossack Regiment, Vladimir Gruslanov from the centurion of Prince A. Aliyev. Derbent, 25 December 1916 g. ”And promoted to ensign. In 1917, he was elected a member of the regimental committee, joined the Bolshevik party, was elected a member of the Military Revolutionary Committee of the 4 Army. In 1918, he volunteered for the Red Army, went through the Civil War as a horse intelligence commander. He was awarded a saber in a silver frame with the inscription: “For Soviet power. In memory of fighters and commanders. 1920 year. " In 1941, he again volunteered for the front. He fought near Leningrad, on the Nevsky Piglet. He was wounded three times, freed the Baltic states and Poland, and reached Berlin. After the war, he worked in Leningrad, in the Museum of the Great October Socialist Revolution (now the State Museum of the Political History of Russia). Famous writer, bibliophile and bonist.
      1. 22rus
        22rus 8 December 2012 16: 46
        -1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Tell it to him, you are our erudite!

        What say something?
        That he was not a citizen of the USSR and he was freed from the sacred duty of protecting the motherland?
        1. Jipo
          Jipo 8 December 2012 17: 57
          +7
          It is no secret that many neglected the "sacred duty", why people like Gruslanov could not neglect it, because Russia is a "prison of peoples" and the USSR, as many say, is even worse. For what did you fight? They would go to the collaborators, they would hang more medals. But no, the person wanted to DESERVE these medals, tried to help his MOTHERLAND, what has the appeal and duty.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 28
            +2
            Jipo

            Quote: JIPO
            man wanted these medals

            I think this was not the main thing, the homeland was in danger.

            Quote: JIPO
            I tried to help my MOTHERLAND, what does the call and duty.

            I meant exactly that by answering 22rus, but either he didn’t understand me, or I what .
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 25
          +1
          22rus

          Read carefully, in response to yours:
          Quote: 22rus
          -A citizen of the USSR?
          - Yes!
          -Based on Art. 130, 132 and 133 of the Constitution of the USSR - to the army, to the front!


          I gave an example that says:
          Quote: Karlsonn
          In 1918, he volunteered for the Red Army


          Quote: Karlsonn
          In 1941, he again volunteered for the front.
    3. His
      His 8 December 2012 22: 38
      +2
      You're wrong, not rus, people were eager for battle. Even in prisons, people wrote letters to Stalin to be sent to war
      1. 22rus
        22rus 8 December 2012 22: 45
        -5
        Quote: Own
        Even in prisons, people wrote letters to Stalin to be sent to war

        We were in prison non-citizens THE USSR. Not for them a decree on universal mobilization was written.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 8 December 2012 23: 20
          +3
          22rus
          Quote: 22rus
          Non-citizens of the USSR were in prison.

          In your alternative reality, this may be how it was, but in our reality, the recognition by a court of a person guilty and the sentencing did not deprive him of Soviet citizenship.

          Quote: 22rus
          Not for them the Decree on universal mobilization was written.

          as an example:
          ... G.K. - You were the deputy commander of a separate army penalty company of the 51 Army in 1944-1945. Tell us about the penalty parts. How did you get to serve in the penalty company? What was the structural organization of your unit?
          E.G. - I asked to go to the penal company myself. A soldier, like an officer, by the way, in a war does not choose his fate where he will be sent, there you will go. But when appointed to a position in a penal company, consent was formally required. Penalty companies were created by order of Stalin # 00227 of July 28, 1942, known as the order "Not a step back", after the surrender of Rostov and Novocherkassk. Each combined-arms army had three penal companies. The air and tank armies did not have their own penal units and sent their penalties to the combined arms. There were two penal companies at the same time on the front line. Replenishment arrived daily from neighboring regiments: one or two people. Any regiment commander had the right to send a soldier or sergeant, but not an officer, to the penal company by his order. The escort brought an extract from the order, received a "receipt for receipt" - that was all the formalities. Why were they sent to a penal company? Failure to comply with an order, a manifestation of cowardice in battle, an insult to a senior commander, a fight, theft, looting, AWOL, or maybe the regiment commander didn’t like the commander’s regiment simply ... The company staff: eight officers, four sergeants and twelve horses, is located at the army reserve regiment and in Waiting for replenishment, he is slowly drinking away trophies ... A train of criminals arrives from the rear, about four hundred or more, and the company immediately becomes a battalion, continuing to be called a company.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 8 December 2012 23: 22
            +1
            Escort convoys accompany the criminals, surrender them to us according to the act. We do not put security. This makes a bad impression, while the trust shown gives us a certain disposition. There is a certain risk. But we go for it. What kind of people came from the rear? There are bandits, and criminals, repeat offenders, and hiding from the draft, and deserters, and just thieves. It happened that unjustly injured arrived from the rear. Being late for work over twenty minutes was considered absenteeism, tried again for absenteeism, and could replace the term with a penal company. A teenager arrived with one of the echelons, almost a boy, at least he seemed so. On the way, the criminals took his soldering, he was so weak that he could not get out of the car on his own. They sent him to the kitchen.

            The term of imprisonment was replaced in approximately the following proportion: up to 3-4 years in prison - the month of the penal company, up to seven years - two months, up to ten - above this period did not exist - three months. Officers sent to the penal companies were demoted by the verdict of the Military Tribunal. If the stage was large and there were not enough officers, it was from them that the missing platoon commanders were appointed. And these were not the worst commanders. They had a great desire to rehabilitate themselves, and perish ... To perish and in an ordinary company is a simple matter. After the war, statistics calculated: the average life expectancy of a rifle platoon commander in an offensive is no more than a week.

            The penalty was removed on the first wound. Or, much less often, after serving a term. Sometimes, after the wounded man, a request for the removal of a criminal record was sent to the military prosecutor. This concerned mainly the demoted officers, but sometimes they wrote to criminals for their courage and heroism.

            Very rarely, and, as a rule, if, after being wounded, the penalty box did not leave the battlefield or performed a feat, the penalty box was presented for a reward. We did not know about the results of our applications, there was no feedback. In the film "Gu-Ga" there is an episode where the foreman beats, that is, "teaches", the penalty box, and even at the direction of the company commander. It is absolutely incredible that this could happen in reality. Every officer and sergeant knows that in battle, they can be ahead of the offended ... Penalties are not lambs of God. And they are not holding wooden rifles. Another thing is that the company commander had the right to add a period of stay in the company, and shoot him for committing a serious crime. And there was such a case in our company. The deserters were caught by the penalty box themselves, shot in front of the formation and buried across the road so that the very memory of him would be erased. Now it's not easy to talk about it, but then it was a different time ...
            http://iremember.ru/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&pop=1&page=18&
            Itemid = 2
          2. 22rus
            22rus 8 December 2012 23: 33
            -1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            In your alternative reality, this may be how it was, but in our reality, the recognition by a court of a person guilty and the sentencing did not deprive him of Soviet citizenship.

            Nda ... Do you even read the documents that I post here for you? Read the text of the order on mobilization in my post to you from 17:00.
            It clearly states who is exempted from the call. Including convicted and deprived of constitutional rights.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 9 December 2012 00: 05
              +2
              22rus

              Dear friend, once again I urge you to read carefully?
              Why do you disgrace?
              Read at least what you post.
              Quote: 22rus
              It clearly states who is exempted from the call. Including convicted and deprived of constitutional rights.

              The document whose scan you posted says:
              ... persons are exempted from appeals to the call: .... those arrested, deported, deported and deprived of the right to vote ...
              this is not a deprivation of citizenship! this is not a deprivation of ALL constitutional rights!
              this restriction of rights (as they used to say - a defeat of rights), now, as then, it is expressed in the fact that a person convicted and having served his term has some limitations of constitutional rights, in particular, he will not be taken by civil servants.
              Regards Karlsonn
              1. 22rus
                22rus 9 December 2012 07: 48
                +1
                Quote: Karlsonn
                this is not a deprivation of citizenship! this is not a deprivation of ALL constitutional rights!

                About complete deprivation of citizenship I did not say.
                But ...
                Perhaps I will accept your comments, because I expressed myself incorrectly. This is not about depriving all constitutional rights, but only part of them.
                However, this does not affect the essence of the issue. Convicts were not called up on a common basis.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 19
                  0
                  22rus
                  Quote: 22rus
                  Convicts were not called up on a common basis.

                  as a resident of the Far North and the Far East for more than one year, take my word for it, the prisoners really asked for the front, they didn’t let only the political, those who were replaced by a dozen
                  1. 22rus
                    22rus 9 December 2012 15: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    as a resident of the Far North and the Far East for more than one year, take my word for it, the prisoners really asked for the front, they didn’t let only the political, those who were replaced by a dozen

                    And I believe you and I know it myself.
        2. builder74
          builder74 10 December 2012 06: 24
          0
          You can force a person to go to war. You cannot force him to fight the enemy to the last drop of blood! You cannot force "die but not give up"! And examples of the heroism of the representatives of ALL peoples of the USSR in the Second World War are numerous! Read the article carefully!
    4. nnz226
      nnz226 8 December 2012 23: 47
      +2
      Well, some citizens either "mowed down" or surrendered to the Germans, or in general they actively helped them, firing from rifles received in the Red Army in the backs of their comrades. Anything happened! And the "national" divisions (especially from the Caucasus) showed themselves disgustingly on the Crimean front in early 1942. No wonder all the military commanders, who could dispose of the divisions, asked for "Russian" divisions, where the bulk were Russian men. But in the composition of such divisions already representatives of all nationalities fought normally. Well, some peoples, who gave the country a lot of deserters, were punished for this ... (see the article on this review about the deportation of Chechens)
      1. 22rus
        22rus 8 December 2012 23: 55
        0
        Quote: nnz226
        individual citizens either "mowed" or surrendered to the Germans

        So this is about individual citizens or peoples / nationalities?
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 9 December 2012 02: 25
        +2
        nnz226

        Quote: nnz226
        Well, some citizens either "mowed down" or surrendered to the Germans, or in general they actively helped them, firing from rifles received in the Red Army in the backs of their comrades. Anything happened!


        my grandfather, a NKVD personnel officer, a counterintelligence officer, served in the Far East, for constant reports of sending him to the front, he received four penalties entered in his personal file, he could only fight in the rout of the Kwantung group, he received all four gunshots and two knives while detaining scouts and saboteurs , died of a complication - the bullet under the heart was not operable, he had been with her for 14 years. So, according to the stories, he was very respectful to the Koreans who rushed to us across the border from the Japanese, as well as to the local tribes - Evenks, Udegeans, Golds, Nanai, Ulchi, Manchu, Solon, Ducher, and so on and I don’t remember everyone feel the vast majority of the men of these small nations did not return from the war.
        Therefore, I think it’s incorrect to talk about national units, 66 national units heroically fought at the front.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 9 December 2012 02: 40
          +3
          My friend, I don’t understand the discussion of who is of what nationality ............. Who cares, our ancestors broke the ridge of Hitler, and every year veterans come from all the former republics on May 9, give them a god of health, two years ago he was an involuntary participant (sorry for indiscretion) the veteran felt ill, a sofa was taken out from the nearest restaurant, a traffic cop called an ambulance, two cars rushed in and the people in the arms of the veteran reported to the ambulance. I hope he is now alive and in good health ...... ....
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 9 December 2012 02: 50
            +2
            Alex 241

            Friend, I’m fucking myself, the author of the article raised the topic that today's ethnic hatred is more than stupidity and our grandfathers would have flogged us like scam goats for it, but nevertheless everyone raises and raises this topic --- why?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 December 2012 02: 56
              +3
              This is more than nonsense, especially in relation to the Patriotic War, apparently someone flogged a little! For me, the photos and awards of grandfathers are a holy relic! And no one at that time shared one another according to nationality!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 9 December 2012 03: 38
                +2
                Alex 241
                let me subscribe.
              2. 22rus
                22rus 9 December 2012 07: 56
                0
                Quote: Alex 241
                ! And no one and no one at that time divided each other on a national basis!

                That's right. The whole country was a monolith in this sense.
                And yet ... there was a conflict of nationalities.
                200 million people of all nationalities of the USSR on the one hand and ... 1,5 million Soviet Germans on the other ...
                But that's another story.
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 20
                  0
                  22rus
                  Quote: 22rus
                  there was a conflict of nationalities.

                  only in your head
                  1. 22rus
                    22rus 9 December 2012 15: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Karlsonn
                    only in your head

                    Of course, of course, I invented all this for you in spite.

                    And a witness helped me in this. Of course fake, storyteller, in a word ...
                    Gerber Ivan Alexandrovich (Johannes Herber), was born in 1927 on the Roorgraben farm (Marxstadt canton of the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic NP). From December 1934 to September 1941 he lived in Marxstadt. There he graduated from the 6th grade of a German school. After deportation he lived in a village. Novo-Yegoryevka Altai Territory. From December 1942 to June 1946 he was in the labor army in Anzherk, Kemerovo region. Since 1946 he worked at various enterprises of the Yegoryevsky district of the Altai Territory. At the same time he studied at evening school, and then at the evening department of the Kyrgyz State University in Frunze. In 1967 he received a diploma of a teacher of German and remained working at the department of the German language. He worked at the university for 21 years. Since 1988, retired. Since January 1990, lives in Germany (Horn-Bad Meinberg).

                    Geber recalls how he lived in deportation during the war years:
                    ...... But with the deterioration of the situation at the front, with the receipt of more and more funeral notices from the front, and the attitude of the population towards the Germans deteriorated sharply. The whole life of the Germans was accompanied by rough treatment from the majority of the population and, what was even more offensive, from the authorities. Silent hatred or all kinds of swear words were constant companions of the Germans. We were called fascists, Fritz, Hitlerites, pests and other offensive words. All this could be understood when you were called names by some illiterate, distraught woman, or a child who still did not understand anything and did not hear anything else from the elders. But when the chairman of the village council, the director of the MTS or the deputy of the Supreme Soviet called you and used to swear words, even the most patient and understanding people would lose heart. Fights often arose on this basis, where, of course, the Germans were always "to blame". The Germans were always sent to jobs that others refused. We were like the Indians bound by hand from Fenimore Cooper's novels, who could be beaten and spat upon with impunity. Everyone around really believed in the guilt of the Germans for something, since even the representatives of the authorities treated them that way.

                    For more information click here.
                    http://wolgadeutsche.net/herber.htm
    5. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 01: 16
      +2
      Can anyone mow. Both grandfathers left me as volunteers in 1941. Moreover, my mother’s father was not yet 16, he simply stole the documents of his older brother and went with them to the draft board, and from there to the front. Among the Kazakhs, almost all men went to war; in reality, only women and children, the elderly and the evacuated, remained behind. Even some ministers of the Kazakh SSR and deputies (People’s Commissar of Light Industry Nurkan Seitov, member of the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the Kazakh SSR, deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Shopan Konuspaev and others) went to the front in the early days of the war. Indeed, men, the famous Manshuk Mametova worked as a secretary for the deputy chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, and she voluntarily changed the typewriter to a machine gun.
      I don’t have a single Kazakh friend who both grandfathers did not fight in this war.
      And about the slope - I read the memoirs of an officer (I don’t remember the name) who was responsible for the draftees from Central Asia and Kazakhstan. He noted that the Kazakhs and Turkmens themselves willingly go to the military enlistment offices, but the Uzbeks and Tajiks have many who are trying to evade conscription.
      Literally today I read about how one Kazakh guy with severe vision problems managed to get permission from the military registration and enlistment office and asked for help in the army.
      And this despite the fact that the Kazakhs were not particularly loyal to the Soviet system before the war. Less than 10 years have passed after the most terrible events in the steppe, when the Kazakhs lost almost half of their numbers as a result of collectivization.
      I collect information about Kazakhs-heroes, and I constantly come across the fact that Kazakhs were really "squeezed" about awards. Everywhere there are postscripts that they say he was promoted to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but in the end did not receive it (my grandfather, by the way, was also introduced in 1944, but was refused). Earlier, when I was not particularly keen on history, I believed that this was due to Moscow chauvinism, but now I see that almost every second Kazakh was considered "unreliable" or even a member of the "family of enemies of the people." Therefore, the award sheets were rejected. Only in exceptional cases did they turn a blind eye to their "biographies". These are Kazakhs - they are all relatives of each other, they declared one enemy of the people, which means that 200 of his relatives formally become unreliable with all the consequences. Plus, almost all Kazakhs, by the stupid standards of the Russian Bolsheviks of the 20s and 30s, were considered baiy due to the fact that even the poor had a lot of livestock. Kazakhs, like other steppe dwellers, did not fit well into the Soviet system of "poor man-rich man", so they really dispossessed all Kazakhs.
      And despite all this, the steppe people (Bashkirs, Nogays, Mongol peoples) instantly reacted and enlisted in the army en masse. It's one thing when you are angry at the government, and another thing is when an external enemy has attacked. Therefore, it is understandable that the Kazakh units fought really hard with the Germans. These are the Horde. We are a nation of warriors. My friends, the Buryats and Yakuts, are proud that it seems that not a single Buryat or Yakut was taken prisoner. They fought to the death. This is the mentality. So we didn't have any problems with "kakos" or "afraid of the agenda." From childhood, our children are brought up on military epics about batyrs, we do not have fairy tales about peasants who dreamed of marrying a princess or about a pike that will do everything for you. Our children are told about the victories of their ancestors and about Aldar-Kose, who punishes the greedy and smart-ass.
      Even those steppemen who were captured went from concentration camps to feed themselves and gain strength in the Wehrmacht Turkestan battalions in order to start fighting against the Germans again from there. Almost all Turkestan and Volga-Tatar battalions of the Wehrmacht revolted against the Germans and crossed arms back to the side of the Red Army. Let them poorly understand what the Russian commanders said, but they clearly knew who should be beaten.
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 9 December 2012 01: 50
        +7
        Both grandfathers also left for Belarus from Belarus. And both returned badly wounded. So the Belarusians also fought with dignity, if not at the front, then in the rear partisan.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 9 December 2012 02: 30
          0
          vyatom
          so for sure, out of the six siblings of my grandfather, a Belarusian, only my grandfather survived, and his father, my great-grandfather, was punished in 1942 for helping partisans.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 02: 53
            +3
            In Belarus, I generally imagine Belarusians as seasoned partisans who are still ambushed and waiting for a convenient moment to undermine the enemy echelon)))) And there were fewer cases of collaboration in the occupied BelSSR than in some other regions.
            And the fact that they didn't waste their army makes me respect the Belarusians. And the theme of "Belarus-film" I generally adore from the cradle))))
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 9 December 2012 03: 40
              +1
              Marek Rozny
              the partisan movement in Belarus, among other things, caused the brutal cruelty of the invaders.
  4. Yarbay
    Yarbay 8 December 2012 09: 54
    +7
    *** Living now! Take a closer look at our history on the examples of the Heroes of the Great Patriotic War and pass on to the future generation a feeling of gratitude, involvement in the aspirations, dreams of the soldiers of that time - they fought, died, defended the Fatherland for the sake of us living today. It is important that the moral experience of the war years becomes an integral part of the spiritual world of present and future generations. *** - golden words !!
    1. Jipo
      Jipo 8 December 2012 18: 03
      +5
      Yesterday, a message appeared on the Internet that a certain down-and-out "s ... ka" named Clinton promised to throw all her strength into preventing the economic unification of the CIS countries, they say, we will not allow a new USSR. Who has any doubts that Bolotnaya Square, unrest in Belarus and problems of terrorism in Kazakhstan were inspired from outside? Everything stopped in Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan, the authorities were reorganized, Andijan is forgotten.
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 9 December 2012 01: 54
        +2
        The most interesting thing is that Clinton will not succeed
  5. baskoy
    baskoy 8 December 2012 10: 06
    +5
    It would seem that everyone knows the parable about the twig and bunch of twigs, which is easier to break? But nationalists of different colors continue to fall for the bait of another well-known truth: divide and conquer. And, dig up the pedigree of any of them, unless you find Papuans there, and even that is not a fact.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 8 December 2012 17: 04
      +9
      Quote: baskoy
      It would seem that everyone knows the parable about the twig and bunch of twigs, which is easier to break? But nationalists of different colors continue to fall for the bait of another well-known truth: divide and conquer. And, dig up the pedigree of any of them, unless you find Papuans there, and even that is not a fact.


      In memory of 316 rifle division (Kazakh cartoon)
      When we are one, we are invincible!

      1. Beck
        Beck 8 December 2012 18: 54
        +5
        Quote: Ascetic
        In memory of 316 rifle division (Kazakh cartoon)


        316 pages. The division was formed in Almaty. Near Moscow, she beat off the very tip of the German wedge of the offensive. In the defense zone of the division, German 35 infantry attacked. division, 2, 5, 11 tank divisions of the Wehrmacht. After the battles near Moscow, the division became the 8th Guards Division. General Panfilov. His murdered commander.

        The commander of the battalion of the 316th division Baurzhan Momyshuly, in Almaty, at the shooting decided to try to give a volley to the whole battalion. 700 rifles fired in one gulp. There is nothing left of the targets. I had to postpone the shooting. Near Moscow, the battalion of Momyshuly was surrounded. I couldn’t cross the highway, as cars with German troops walked along it in a continuous stream. The battalion left the forest with a single wall and opened fire in one gulp. Slivers flew from cars and Germans. The battalion left the encirclement without loss. Only two people were killed. Momyshuly was introduced to the Hero of the Union, but was nearly shot for arbitrariness by SMERSH bodies. Surrounded, he autocratically shot those two fighters, Two Kazakhs who fled from the enemy. At the end of the war, Colonel Momyshuly commanded 8 Guards. a division.

        The enemy was restrained near Leningrad and then the blockade of 312 and 314 rifle divisions formed in Kazakhstan was broken.

        And in these divisions there were everyone — Kazakhs, Russians, Ukrainians, Kyrgyz and other residents of Kazakhstan.
        1. Beck
          Beck 8 December 2012 19: 20
          +11
          Monument, in Almaty, the wars of the 8th Guards Division (316 pages div.), Defending Moscow.

          An inscription is carved in gold on a pedestal.

          GREAT RUSSIA, AND THERE IS NO NEED TO RETURN, BEHIND MOSCOW.
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 8 December 2012 19: 52
            +4
            Beck,
            Nice monument. Impressive! Thank. +++ from me.
            1. Beck
              Beck 8 December 2012 20: 09
              +2
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Nice monument. Impressive! Thank. +++ from me


              Hi. Thank you. And you feel good.
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 8 December 2012 20: 43
                +2
                Beck,
                Hi!
                A successful article was written by Alexander Novik. Accepted without
                ordinary criticisms. No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten - briefly, fully, meaningfully. Thanks to the author. Right?
                1. Beck
                  Beck 8 December 2012 21: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Thanks to the author. Right?


                  Of course the article is good. Still to write any garbage on such a topic.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 8 December 2012 22: 37
          +3
          Beck,

          I well know these places near Volokolamsk, Here is a monument at the Dubosekovo junction on Volokolamka. Then the division was deployed to the north and covered the Leningrad highway in Zelenograd (Kryukovo)
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 8 December 2012 22: 40
            +3
            And this is Zelenograd .. "Bayonets" Mass grave ... before the installation of all the giant concrete-granite elements here in 72, there was an ordinary pyramid over the grave ... at the end of 41st - beginning of 42nd here in one pit the soldiers who gave their lives for the village of Matushkino were buried ... in the 60s, the remains of soldiers found during the construction of the city of Zelenograd were reburied here ...

            Presumably more than 760 people are resting in this place. It was from the mass grave of the future complex on December 3, 1966, in commemoration of the 25th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi troops near Moscow, the ashes of the Unknown Soldier were taken and reburied in the Alexander Garden, near the walls of the Kremlin.
            1. Beck
              Beck 9 December 2012 11: 33
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              I know these places well near Volokolamsk,


              I was in Volokolamsk too. That was the year in 1966. In the two-story school No. 19 where he studied, in Almaty, in 1941, the headquarters of the formed 316 division was located. We, high school students in one of the classes formed a museum of the division. Therefore, during the winter holidays, a group of high school students were sent to get acquainted with Volokolamsk, Dubosekovo, Kryukovo.
        3. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 01: 26
          -2
          I will add that at a certain moment it turned out that only Kazakhstani 312 (Aktobe) and 316 (Almaty) SD + Podolsk cadets were at the gates of Moscow. And they did not let the enemy pass, so the German generals called the Kazakhs "wild soldiers who are fighting against all the charters of the war and categorically do not surrender." After millions of soldiers and officers of the Red Army were captured by the Germans, it is natural that the two vicious Kazakh divisions stunned the Germans, who were several times more numerous than the two Soviet divisions. And there, units from the Far East had already arrived and threw away the enemy.
          1. Beck
            Beck 9 December 2012 11: 44
            0
            Marekou.

            Hello fellow countryman. You always appear unexpectedly.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 17: 58
              -2
              hi) when there is time)
              I'm looking here, you shouldn't have mentioned me - our "half-Uzbek" minus))) he's afraid to say something on the forum, he will suddenly be banned, but in a personal he begs like a girl with her letters of an intimate nature :)))) take? stupidly minus))) Well, yes, do not care, we can take off his aggression like that, and then people like him often become a la chikatilo. so let it be better to sprinkle saliva into your monitor)))
          2. EropMyxoMop
            EropMyxoMop 9 December 2012 17: 33
            0
            The national composition of 316 divisions is Russian 67%, Kyrgyz 11%, Kazakhs 11%, Ukrainians 8%, other 3%. As we see the statement that the units mainly consisting of Russians are the most combat-ready correctly.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 17: 54
              -1
              Where does this nonsense come from? in 316 divisions there were 40% Kazakhs, 30% Russians (Kazakhs), 30% of the rest. By the way, when it comes to non-Russian, they often say "but he was Russian in spirit." Our Kazakh Russians who fought in the Kazakh units were "Kazakhs in spirit" :) Is that fair?
              1. EropMyxoMop
                EropMyxoMop 9 December 2012 19: 49
                0
                They fought in the SOVIET units and were SOVIET in spirit.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 19: 51
                  -1
                  one could agree with such a formulation :) it sounds more true for them and for our generation.
                  By the way, where did the wrong numbers for the 316th sd come from? curiously simple.
                  1. EropMyxoMop
                    EropMyxoMop 9 December 2012 21: 31
                    -1
                    This is accurate data.
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 21: 46
                      -1
                      the source itself?))))))))))))))))))
                      1. EropMyxoMop
                        EropMyxoMop 9 December 2012 23: 56
                        -1
                        The Great Patriotic War of the Soviet Union. Military Publishing 1984 Telpuhovskiy ,, Burlyay.
                        Are you a Troll? Not one military unit formed in Kazakhstan did not have more than 20% of Kazakhs in its composition.
                      2. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 10 December 2012 00: 48
                        0
                        The Great Patriotic War of the Soviet Union 1941-1945: A Brief History. - 3rd ed., Rev. and add. - M .: Military Publishing House, 1984.

                        Here is all that is written about the 316th SD in this book:

                        "In the battles near Volokolamsk, the cadet regiment of the school named after the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, Colonel S. I. Mladentsev, and the 316th rifle division of General I. V. Panfilov, formed in Kazakhstan, were particularly distinguished. Reflecting continuous enemy attacks for six days, they knocked out up to 80 tanks and destroyed several hundred soldiers and officers. The enemy's attempts to seize the Volokolamsk region and open the way to Moscow from the west failed. Here, for the first time, a system of deeply echeloned anti-tank defense was widely used ...

                        ... The nature of the battles, the stamina of the Soviet soldiers, and the losses of the enemy can be judged by the heroic actions of the 316th division. During November 16, she repelled several frantic tank attacks of the Nazis, rushing to Moscow along the Volokolamsk highway. At the Dubosekovo junction, an unprecedented feat was made by a group of tank destroyers of the 1075th regiment. As battle participant G. M. Shemyakin recalls, the unit’s positions were heavily bombed in the morning. No sooner had the smoke from the explosions dispersed, when the Nazi machine gunners advanced in the attack. But the soldiers beat her back with friendly fire. Then the enemy threw into battle 20 tanks and a new group of machine gunners. At this moment, the political instructor of the company V. G. Klochkov appeared in the trenches ...
                        ... Other units of the 316th division courageously, steadily, skillfully fought. For heroic actions, this unit was awarded the Order of the Red Banner and converted to the 8th Guards, and its commander General I.V. Panfilov was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. He was not lucky enough to witness the complete defeat of the enemy near Moscow: on November 18, near the village of Gusenevo, he died the death of the brave ....

                        Not a word about the percentage of Kazakh-Russian. I repeat the question: "Where did you get your stupid numbers?" About delirium about "did not have more than 20%" - in general, I want to spit. Look at the composition of Kazakhstani divisions and other units, of which more than twenty were formed - 238, 310, 312, 314, 387, 391, 459, 106, 151, 75, mentioned 196 (formed in the Orenburg region, but actually consisted of Kazakhs) and others ... I'm not even talking about the so-called. "NATIONAL KAZAKH" divisions - 100, 101, 102! in which there was not a single Russian at all.

                        In short, walk, Vasya.
                      3. EropMyxoMop
                        EropMyxoMop 10 December 2012 00: 58
                        0
                        But the unit formed in Kyrgyzstan-1077 regiment had a much larger percentage of the indigenous population.
                      4. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 10 December 2012 01: 14
                        0
                        Egor, here you are a restless type! You impudently lied about the source, but not only didn’t apologize, but you decided to continue to flame? Either write on sobering or don’t talk rubbish at all about the national composition of Kazakhstan’s units.
                      5. EropMyxoMop
                        EropMyxoMop 10 December 2012 12: 02
                        0
                        Yes, here you are right, this is not that book, I checked, well, that means the link that I got in Google turned out to be wrong. But to argue that I didn’t need to make a mistake everyone can. And what is more, all the divisions you mentioned here, I had in mind the units specific division.
  6. ekebastus
    ekebastus 8 December 2012 10: 22
    +7
    “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as raw appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. Many atrocities will be attributed to me.

    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a big field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
    In general, in the future development will go more complex and even frantic ways, the turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East will be particularly upset. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.

    And yet, no matter how the events develop, time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due. They will build their future on our past. "

    I. Stalin. From the recording of the conversation with A.M. Kollontai, November 1939
    Source: http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t18/t18_267.htm
    1. 22rus
      22rus 8 December 2012 10: 43
      -3
      Quote: ekebastus
      I. Stalin. From the recording of the conversation with A.M. Kollontai, November 1939

      Such a spreading cranberry.
      Stalin said nothing of this. All the more so in 1939. At this time, the main enemy was German fascism, not "world Zionism." This term was generally introduced into circulation much later, after WWII.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 8 December 2012 16: 21
        +4
        22rus

        Quote: 22rus
        Stalin did not say anything of this.


        Did he say that to you?
        1. 22rus
          22rus 8 December 2012 16: 47
          -3
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Did he say that to you?

          Drive the document with quotes I.V.S. We will see.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 32
            +4
            22rus
            belay it’s you who come here with trump cards, and prove that it wasn’t, it’s desirable with links, but we will read it.

            Quote: 22rus
            Drive the document with quotes I.V.S. We will see.

            yeah yes i can do that too bully Trotsky was from Mars, persecute the document that this is not so. We will see, otherwise the drain is protected.
            1. 22rus
              22rus 8 December 2012 18: 46
              0
              Quote: Karlsonn
              here prove that it was not, with links it is desirable, but we honor.

              Tell us how you can prove what is not? what
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 8 December 2012 21: 11
                +2
                22rus

                so is it fake? than prove it.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 8 December 2012 22: 32
              0
              "Presumption of innocence" canceled? You must show that the event took place, the absence of something does not need to be proved, there is no evidence - there is no event.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 8 December 2012 23: 31
                +2
                Setrac

                You all misunderstood, 22rus says that this did not happen, but just enter in the search -
                Quote: ekebastus
                I. Stalin. From the recording of the conversation with A.M. Kollontai, November 1939


                how a bunch of links open, with the exception of a couple of RELEASES, everyone else sees this conversation as a historical fact, but then 22rus appears and says that this is a cranberry and this conversation was not there, so I say - prove that it was not, it is desirable with links. And then the presumption of innocence?
                1. donchepano
                  donchepano 9 December 2012 06: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  22rus appears here and says that this is a cranberry and this conversation was not, so I say - prove that it was not, preferably with links. And then the presumption of innocence?


                  Ekibastuz and Karlson do not pay attention to the method of chattering and fooling a certain "22 rus".
                  Give more information that opens people's eyes

                  And for people like "22 or 33 rus", 33 pieces of silver would be more suitable
                  Or just an anti-virus. Ears stick out
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 23
                    +1
                    donchepano
                    Quote: donchepano
                    never mind

                    you can not give descent to the ignorant.
                    1. 22rus
                      22rus 9 December 2012 16: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Karlsonn
                      you can not give descent to the ignorant.

                      Who do you mean?
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 9 December 2012 16: 04
                  0
                  Just links or documentary evidence, if there are documents, are those who represent them worthy of trust?
          2. vyatom
            vyatom 9 December 2012 01: 58
            +1
            Take Dulles’s notes, a narrow-minded person.
      2. vyatom
        vyatom 9 December 2012 02: 01
        +1
        Who is in charge of the media? But from there most of the "information" about that time, mostly negative and false.
        Transfer journalist Pivovarov. Although what kind of journalist is he after that?
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 9 December 2012 01: 57
      +1
      As for Zionism, I think everything is correct. Basically, people of a certain nationality (I have heard it myself repeatedly) pour mud on our past.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 9 December 2012 02: 35
        +3
        vyatom

        Tell it to him --- Kogan Semyon Izrailevich

        http://iremember.ru/razvedchiki/kogan-semen-izrailevich.html
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 03: 08
          -2
          Personally, I am absolutely calm about Jews. I like them because they produce really talented numerous composers, poets, actors, writers. But as a fighting unit of the Jews, I am inclined to consider it insufficiently militant. Among the Turks, Jews were not allowed to serve in military service, since it was believed that their soldiers were still useless compared to the native steppe. But if suddenly some Jew was born a soldier, then he can easily surpass any "Horde" in amazing courage and military ingenuity. But it is a pity that this is not a mass sign of this people. In the end, though, each nation has its own merits. Jews had many heroes during the Second World War, I am convinced that most of them received their awards deservedly. But I will never understand the humility of the Jewish people with which they laid their heads on the German block. I cannot realize and understand how millions of Jews allowed themselves to be killed in peace? The core inside them is too flexible. In a peaceful life it is not bad, but in a war it is not permissible. But as scouts, Jews are good. Whether they are in the Soviet army or in Israeli intelligence.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 9 December 2012 03: 47
            +2
            Marek Rozny
            Quote: Marek Rozny
            Personally, I am absolutely calm towards Jews.

            for me personally - nationality does not matter at all.

            Quote: Marek Rozny
            But as a fighting unit of the Jews, I am inclined to consider insufficiently belligerent.

            I have a classmate in Khabarovsk, a Jew's name is Demyan, the school was quiet and quiet, now he commands a battalion in Israel.
            Quote: Marek Rozny
            But if suddenly some Jew was born a soldier, then he can easily surpass any "Horde" in amazing courage and military ingenuity. But it is a pity that this is not a mass sign of this people.

            read the Bible, on the land that Jews consider their rightful place, people lived before them, but Jews came and cut everything out, there were few Jews, but their historical will was and be healthy.

            Quote: Marek Rozny
            But I will never understand the humility of the Jewish people with whom they laid their heads on the German chopping block.

            it's a delusion.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 December 2012 03: 54
              +2
              I will add a hackneyed phrase: Soldiers are not born, they become soldiers.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 04: 04
                0
                ... if you stuffed them with military epics from infancy, feed horse meat and drink koumiss :)))) just kidding)
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 9 December 2012 04: 49
                  +3
                  Marek Rozny
                  Do you know the story of how Tashkent and Samarkand were taken? I respect koumiss very much as a drink, it saved my brother from death, but here are the people who have been drinking koumiss since childhood and fled from my Russian ancestors as demons; I can throw off a link to eyewitness accounts.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 06: 11
                    -2
                    :)))) the fact of the matter is that they were Uzbeks, and not "kumysniks" (or rather sarts. real Uzbeks are steppe Turks, and Sarts are the settled population of Central Asia with Tajik roots or mixed but settled - and koumiss and horsemeat are not their food). Historically, the Central Asian khanates were protected by mercenaries from among the Kazakhs and Turkmens. Sarts themselves are not used to war. Kazakhs in the 18th century voluntarily began to be part of a growing empire. The main reasons are the desire of some khans of individual juzs to receive Russian political assistance in extending their khanate power to the remaining zhuzes, as well as a banal desire to open a market for trade (Orenburg, built at the request of the khan of the Youngest zhuz Abulkhair, became the main trading gateway of Russia with Asia). Gradually, all Kazakh clans joined the new empire.
                    Kokand, Khiva, Bukhara, Samarkand after a short time turned out to be trite defenseless - the Kazakhs, who were the core of the mercenaries, simply stopped protecting them, as they became Russian subjects. Moreover, the Kazakh sultans were not averse to kicking the khans of these mini-states, because the dull hostility between the Kazakh and Central Asian Genghisides has always been. And when the Russians decided to conquer Central Asia, the Kazakhs instantly rendered their services to the Russian army as suppliers of horses, food, water and fodder, as guides to these same khanates, and also joined the Russian army as volunteers.
                    The frightened rulers of the Central Asian cities gathered a militia from the local sedentary inhabitants of the Sarts, a lot of people, but none of them even had a close idea of ​​what war was. Sarts scattered even before the start of the battle, and even during the battle they skidded that their heels sparkled. (but the Turkmen fought with dignity) The Russian army took the necessary cities with minimal losses. With the direct economic and military assistance of the Kazakhs, many of whom were awarded Russian awards - "For the cause of Icahn on December 5-7, 1864", St. George's crosses, "For diligence", etc. I think you will be surprised if you find out that Kazakhs have recently restored a monument from the tsarist times, dedicated to the victory of the Russian army over the Kokand Khan.
                    The Kazakhs fought on the side of the Russian army willingly until they saw how the Russian army was cracking down on civilians in these cities. It is one thing to wet the enemy army, and another thing is massive repression against civilians. Major of the tsarist army Dauletpakuly Nogaybay, expressing his disagreement with the actions of Chernyaev, decides to leave the Russian army. The famous Kazakh scholar and ethnographer, Genghisid, but primarily the Russian officer Chokan Valikhanov, is also struck by the brutality of the Russian army and also does not agree with the actions of the Russian commanders, as a result of which he makes a similar decision.
                    Kazakhs who served in rank-and-file positions in the Russian campaigns are photographed in Kaufman's famous Turkestan Album. But in general, Kazakhs did not fit into the lists of killed Russian soldiers. The mention of them is everywhere in the memoirs of Russian participants in the campaigns, but in the documents they are mentioned only in the case of awards. It is usually known for certain how many Russian soldiers died in one or another battle, and how many Kazakh horsemen died with them - was not recorded. An analogy can be drawn with the losses of the Coalition in Afghanistan, when it is known how many NATO soldiers died, but the losses of PMCs are not mentioned.
                    In a word, the warlocks didn’t run away from the Russians) It was beaten by defenseless Sarts, who naively believed that the mullahs and suras from the Koran, together with the prehistoric frail little fluffy dogs, could beat the invading Russians with the Kazakhs.
                    1. Nagaibak
                      Nagaibak 9 December 2012 10: 30
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                      Central Asia was added in different years, the numbers vary slightly, about 17 infantry battalions. Yes, a couple of thousand Cossacks of the Ural, Orenburg and Siberian Cossack troops. The load in the hostilities fell mainly on the Russian infantry. I assure you at that time that the Russian infantry could disperse a small number of both Sarts and Kazakhs no matter how belligerent they were. The point is in training and discipline. And the Cossacks could wage a counter-guerrilla struggle against small parties of nomads. This is for reference. You yourself confirmed, the defeat of the Turkmen. Although they resisted the most. I do not exclude participation on the side of the Russian Kazakh troops, but their role was more likely an auxiliary one.
                      1. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 39
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                        Nagaibak
                        sane person finally appeared drinks
                        Quote: Nagaibak
                        in different years, the numbers vary slightly, of the order of 17 infantry battalions. Yes, a couple of thousand Cossacks of the Ural, Orenburg and Siberian Cossack troops.

                        no-no-not You forget about the garrisons, consider all the Russians, but not all fought.

                        Quote: Nagaibak
                        . I assure you at that time that the Russian infantry could disperse a small number of both Sarts and Kazakhs no matter how belligerent they were. The point is in training and discipline.

                        so for sure, it’s enough to read the eyewitness accounts, how everything falls into place, I advise rabid libroids to turn to stupid --- wiki!
                        with a question - hu eats Kotlyarevsky.
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 10 December 2012 19: 03
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                        In those days, it was no longer a real war. It was a colonial conquest. The conquest of the state is higher in development, having a powerful state machine, apparatus, modern, regular, trained army.
                      3. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 17: 23
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                        Yes, true, the Kazakhs were an auxiliary force, but without the support of the Kazakhs, the Russians would simply not have reached the mentioned Uzbek cities. The first Russian campaigns in Central Asia abruptly without the support of the steppes failed. The Cossacks of Orenburg still somehow more or less survived in these campaigns, and the soldiers massively died in vain, without causing any harm to the enemy. The Russian infantry was not even able to reach the Aral Sea without the Kazakhs, not to conduct military operations in Khiva-Kokand-Samarkand.
                        The Cossacks could carry out an anti-partisan war only a few kilometers from the village. In the 18th century and even in most of the 19th century, the Cossacks did not dare to poke their nose into the steppe for a mini-war. We could only make a small, shallow raid to the first aul and immediately back. And given that the Kazakhs were more mobile than the Cossacks (not to mention the soldiers), even a simple pursuit of the steppe inhabitants was absolutely pointless and fruitless. As Russian officers wrote, "Kazakhs move across the steppe with great speed and it is impossible to overtake them, and clashes with Kazakhs occur here only when the Kazakhs themselves want to" (for example, a report on the punitive campaign of 1823). But if on the way came across a "left" aul, then yes - the punishers never missed the opportunity to kill and rob (Vereshchagin has a description of how the soldiers marauded in Central Asia). What is aul? Usually a dozen families. Naturally, without heavy weapons such as cannons or machine guns. For men - hunting weapons (wick guns, knives, rarely sabers) and non-lethal "traumatic" weapons (clubs of the "soyil" type). It is stupid to oppose them to the regular army. When the Kazakhs really raised uprisings, then once somehow the Russians managed to extinguish (and then it was not even the Russians who killed the Kenesary, but the Kirghiz), and the second time in 1916 the Kazakhs generally staged a mega-bucha, which they could not suppress ...
                        So if the Kazakhs did not want to let the Russians into Central Asia, then the Russians would never have reached it. Only the loyalty of the Kazakhs to the Russian government (until the kings began to violate the terms of accession) allowed the Russian army to invade the undefended Sartian cities.
                        The Turkmens resisted, but it is a small nation. They could not fight for a long time. At one time, Kazakhs easily replaced them from the Caspian coast. Kazakhs are even more so - the most numerous Turkic people until the 20th century (not counting the Anatolian Turks).
                        Well, the Kazakhs themselves took the Central Asian cities countless times. The same Tashkent constantly passed into Kazakh hands when some ambitious Kazakh khans wanted it. Who is there to win? Sartov? It's like taking candy from a child. I understand that the Russians are pleased to read about how 100 soldiers broke armies of "one million" people, but to be honest, these armies did not have soldiers and even weapons. There were only unfortunate Sarts who did not know how and did not want to fight with anyone. Well, they held out when they had mercenaries - "Kipchaks", and when the Kipchaks left back to the Kazakh steppe, Bukhara, Khiva Samarkand, Tashkent, Khorezm were doomed.
                      4. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 10 December 2012 09: 49
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                        Marek Rozny "1. The Russian infantry was not even able to reach the Aral Sea without the Kazakhs, let alone to fight in the Khiva-Kokand-Samarkand." Perovsky's campaign was unsuccessful due to poor preparation. After the Russians seized the fortresses along the Syr Darya and set up bases there. The advance continued. As for the Cossacks, he laughed. 2. Kenesary to Kyrgyzstan, in your opinion, who caught up? About the mega-buchi - this is a big topic in a nutshell, you can't write, the uprising was all over Turkestan. Everyone revolted: Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Turkmens. I don't remember about the Tajiks. I am especially proud of you and we have nothing there. How were women and children killed? Little data on Akmola and Semipalatinsk regions. "According to the authorities, there were several groups of rebels in the Zaysan district of a thousand people, in Semipalatinsk - 7 thousand, in Ust-Kamenogorsk there were several groups of 3 thousand, in Akmola - up to 35 thousand, in Atbasar - 7 thousand, and in Kosagach - up to 2 - x thousand people "Damn it is too lazy to write, but for you ... In total, the authorities sent 6 hundreds of Cossacks and 7 fifty, 8,5 infantry companies, 2 local military teams to the Akmola and Semipalatinsk regions" - The author took these numbers to the RGIA. F.1292.Op.1D.1933.L.377. Further, "a detachment of the assistant to the chief chieftain of the Siberian Cossack army P.Ya. Yagodkin was sent to pacify. Akmola and Atbasar detachments at the end of September 1916. were given two machine guns from those sent by the Main Directorate of the General Staff. Later the others were pacified Akmola and Atbasar districts. Even the pacification of a part of the Kyrgyz who fled to Mongolia by the forces of hundreds of Transbaikalians with a machine gun went faster and easier. "AV Ganin. On the eve of the catastrophe. Orenburg Cossack army in the late 19th-early 20th centuries. M .: ZAO Tsentrpoligraf, 2008. STR 518-519. If you can find and read, I advise. Now about the superheroic Kazakhs brought up on epics. I want to notice you there are no brave and cowardly peoples, regardless of whether they were given kumis to drink or not. Either they listened to their epic or not. By the way there were epics. If Th. Now take the Germans, they themselves are not warlike people, gather a hundred burghers to give them a good sergeant-major to kick them in the ass and I assure you that in a month they will have a decent military unit. and subdivisions made up of heroic nationalities. This is how it happened in history. Sincerely ...
                      5. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 11 December 2012 04: 28
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                        Nagaybak
                        1) Not only Perovsky's campaign failed, but the 6000th detachment of Bekovich-Cherkassky also ingloriously disappeared before that. Until the Kazakhs began to provide assistance to the Russian troops, the campaigns of the Russian army were doomed. Fighting deep in Asia without logistical support is stupid and arrogant. You can, of course, blame the inappropriate climate, ignorance of the area, lack of interaction with local residents, but only then how do the excuses of German memoirists, who blame "General Zima" for the loss near Moscow, differ from your thoughts?
                        2) What fortresses were captured along the Syr Darya to attack the khanates? The blow, for example, on Kokand came from the direction from Orenburg through the lands of the Western Kazakhs (Mangystau) and with the help of the Russian "Tashkent" group of troops (the Kokand Khanate, which included Tashkent, was thoroughly pounded by the Bukharians). Along the Syr Darya the Russians have built several of their own forts - yes.
                        3) The war from Kenesary is already a real war of the regular Russian army, and not anti-partisan attacks by the Cossacks in the Steppe. The Russian army fell with all its might according to the rebellious khan, who was indignant at the tsar’s decree on reforming the political system in the Kazakh steppe (when they joined, there was no talk of liquidating the khan’s power, of course). Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Cossacks themselves from the villages in the Steppe did not particularly meddle, since it was almost useless. Kenesary himself was driven across the steppe by the Russian regular army (with the Cossacks) and the Kazakhs themselves, obedient to some sultans, whom they convinced to be loyal to the Russian government. There is no need to show it as if some Cossacks were driving along the Kenesary Steppe. Again, without the support of the Kazakhs, the Russian army would have been trivially difficult to cope with the rebellious khan, who, by the way, was unpopular among the Kazakhs. The Cossack in the Kazakh steppe was a fig fighting unit without the support of soldiers with artillery and Kazakhs. They were good only when it was necessary to screw up a nearby harmless village to ostracize everyone else. And then - they wrote such reports upstairs that science fiction writers were resting, they say, almost a hundred thousand "rebels" were killed by one gallant Cossack. Who is there in Orenburg and in St. Petersburg poses to double-check?
                        As for the uprising of 1916, the main mass that exploded was the Kazakhs, who were lifted up by the tyranny of the Russian administration and the violent seizure of lands in favor of yesterday's serfs from the European part of the Empire. The lands were taken away from the Uzbeks and Turkmens so massively, but from the Kazakh clans (and to a lesser extent from the Kirghiz). All the main centers of the uprising are Kazakh. Well, the fact that they cut each other brutally is yes. Cossacks and Kazakhs fiercely wet each other. Kazakhs still consider the Russian Cossacks to be Russified relatives who converted to Orthodoxy several centuries ago, and at the same time, to put it mildly, do not like them, recalling the events of a century ago. This is the events of the Russians even in 1993 - already in the "veil of centuries", and the Kazakhs have a different mentality - even today Kazakhs can easily fight while drinking, finding out who was right and who is to blame for the events of half a thousand years ago ("your family was hiding in the bushes while we fought with those and those "or" my kind always helped yours, and you always fell under those "). Half a year ago, in my kitchen, a comrade-naiman quarreled to smithereens with a comrade-jalayyr, accusing that their family allegedly did mean things to the naimans in the 30s (!) Years! Asians have a different historical mindset. Or I can remember how my grandmother from my mother's side (Uysunka) could tell my father (Argyn) in the heat of a quarrel that the Argyns oppressed Uysuns, recalling the events of 400 years ago! Granny, naturally, could not say in what century it was (I like to disassemble history by dates), but she knew for sure that the Argyns had once offended the Uysuns.
                      6. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 11 December 2012 04: 31
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                        ... So the participation of the Cossacks in the events of 1916 among the Kazakhs was clearly postponed, even among modern goldfinches who skip history lessons. Peasants were wet because they were really occupiers. Without any quotes. They were sent to Kazakhstan and crowded by the Kazakhs, taking away land in favor of the Holodrans. How would Belarusians relate to the German nudists, whom Hitler would resettle in the Belarusian lands? Would you touch? Of course they would. So the Kazakhs took Russian and Ukrainian peasants, koi here began to take away the land from the very end of the 19th century. What seemed to Stolypin as empty lands, for the Kazakhs there were lands for periodic nomadism (4 times a year, places changed, the next year they again went to these areas). Take away one site and the whole nomadic system breaks the fuck. And this system, coupled with relationships with neighboring genera, has been built for hundreds of years. Only because of the nomads, the Kazakhs urinated in the blood with the Dzhungars for several centuries (the Dzhungars were replaced by the Manchus). And then the Cossacks brought a hundred or two Ukrainian peasants and told the local aul, now it is their (peasants) land. And if at first in the 90s of the 19th century a small number of immigrants could be tolerated, then by 1916 an unbearable situation had developed. And when the king once again deceived the Kazakhs and ordered them to stomp to the front for rear works, the Kazakhs had already exploded with rage.
                        When I said that the Cossacks did not poke deep into the steppe, I was talking about the 18-19th century. In the 20th century, the situation was of course already different. The Russian government was already firmly on the Kazakh land, the Russian army was pounded everywhere in the Steppe, while the Kazakhs themselves were actually an unarmed nation. Absolutely. No cannons, no Maxim machine guns, no mosins and revolvers, nothing like that. Exceptionally ancient homemade hunting rifles and belt knives. There was not a single Kazakh military formation. And the Cossacks could already easily make deep raids far and wide in the Steppe. It was 200 years ago that they would have had their butt torn on the British flag, but at the beginning of the 20th century there was nothing to "tear" with. And nevertheless, even with their bare hands, the Kazakhs staged a grand shake-up of the Russian army on their territory. There was no reconciliation anywhere. There was a process of "reconciliation", but there was no final "reconciliation". Up to the Russian Revolution of 1917. But by that time, the Kazakhs had already created their first armed forces, with which both white and red had to negotiate. As a result, the Reds fooled and convinced the Alash-Ordians to disarm, and then they shot and imprisoned everyone on the sly until the beginning of the Great Patriotic War. But before believing the Reds, the Alash-Ordians still kicked the Cossacks (though on the Cossack forums it is written that “the Kazakhs stuck a knife to the peace-loving, unsuspecting Cossacks,” although the dick should have stopped the Kazakhs after the fall of the tsarist power? Cossacks in 1917 and during the Russian civil war they remained the personification of the tsarist power for the steppe people, only the charismatic Annenkov was more or less respected among the Kazakhs, but even then only to a certain extent).
                      7. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 11 December 2012 04: 32
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                        ... As for the brave and cowardly peoples - I have a simple opinion. There are peoples who are not adapted to fight, but there are peoples imprisoned for war. Jews, Sarts, Tajiks, Iranians, Chinese - are good in trade, music, diplomacy. Kazakhs, Pashtuns, Hazaras, Nogais, Turkmens, Buryats, Khalkha-Mongols are good as soldiers. For centuries, some specialized in one, others in their field.
                        About fairy tales - Russian children's fairy tales are mostly not related to the war (there are epics, but they are given to children in some kind of indigestible state, they say there were three heroes, they fought for their homeland, without any specifics, without any bright events), while Kazakhs have boys They clearly tell about specific batyrs, about how, where and with whom they fought, right down to the name of his horse, and up to how he died, whom he protected, whom he married. I was in a Russian kindergarten, studied at a Russian school in Russia. So I know Russian fairy tales very well. Most often and best of all, children were given fairy tales about a love theme and about animals. Well, and about, I beg your pardon, what I say - about freebies. Ask a Russian child to name 10 fairy tales that will first come to his mind - "The Tale of Tsar Saltan", "The Fisherman and the Goldfish", the cycle about Ivanushka, about rejuvenating apples, about a sleeping beauty, they will remember Baba Yaga, Koshchei, etc. etc. When asked who the three heroes have soaked, the child will be confused. I'm not even talking about the details of their lives. And among the steppe dwellers (from the Nogai to the Yakuts, from the Bashkirs to the Mongols), first of all, tales about batyrs and about how smart-ass and greedy rich people are punished (well, and about mythical creatures, in the third place, such as the Russian Baba-Yaga or goblin). So it was in the old days, so it was in the days of Valikhanov, who collected fairy tales, and so today. Tomorrow, by the way, in Astana they will show children in cinemas for free a full-length cartoon about the hero of Kazakh fairy tales Er-Tostik, who soaked the dragon defending his homeland, the day after tomorrow I go to watch the new Kazakh fairy tale "Mysterious Forest", in which two modern boys will again become defenders and will fight with enemies with swords in hand. Children should be brought up on such fairy tales, and not on parody "Alyosha Popovich and Tugarin-Serpent" and Galustyanov's Carlson. I'm not even talking about the fact that all my relatives categorically forbid their children to watch any nicolodeons (in Russia, I know, too, many do the same).
                        ZY And burghers my ancestors screwed up during the times of the Huns (I am from the Argyn clan, we are the Huns), and during the Horde on all sorts of Legnits, and during World War II. Let them have at least 100 brilliant sergeants per 1000 brilliant soldiers. It will be necessary - we will tear the zop again, so again the Erihs-Göpners will write about "wild soldiers who despise the European norms of war." Am I showing off? Certainly. Although, unfortunately, the Kazakh nation has little to boast of besides the battle hardening. But we also have victories over the Chinese, Arabs, Russians, Germans, Poles, Dzungars, Romans, Caucasians, and so on. We were the first of the Soviet ethnic groups to hoist both the flag over the Reichstag and the flag over the Berlin City Hall, and we defended Moscow when there was no one else (except Podolsk cadets), and the only person who received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union (for Afghani) , and the Hero of Russia (for Chechnya) is also Kazakh. Even within the Kazakh people, most of the defense ministers and simply military leaders were from my family. And even the name of my subgenus is "karauyl", which means in Russian "guard, guard", since for centuries they were the personal guard of the Chingizids. So I, as a Kazakh, looked and will look at any foreign sergeant major or Zhongxiao as a piece of meat. Because in the history of my family it was only like that. And therefore the small Kazakh people have a country the size of Western Europe, studded with mounds of batyrs and stone statues of warriors.
                      8. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 11 December 2012 11: 00
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                        Marek Rozny "As for the brave and cowardly peoples - I have a simple opinion. There are peoples who are not adapted to fight, but there are peoples imprisoned for war. Jews, Sarts, Tajiks, Iranians, Chinese are good at trade, music, diplomacy. Kazakhs, Pashtuns, Hazaras, Nogays, Turkmens, Buryats, Khalkha Mongols are good as soldiers. Some specialized in one thing for centuries, others in their field. "- Hmm ... I did not see strange Russians in the first group. Or are you so that would not offend? Your whole post - this one specifically - is bragging. You tell the Germans about the Huns. Tynyshpayev writes that “the presence of our ancestors, our Argyns, as indigenous Mongols, in Mongolia in the 5-7 centuries can be considered indisputable.” By the way, the Argyns among the Kazakhs were the most cultured and aristocratic clan - not my words, but I think I.G. Akulinina. So, please, please. By the way, there were ethnic Kazakhs among the Cossacks you did not like. Everything was not easy in this life and in our history. And you obviously got excited about the Germans ...
                      9. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 11 December 2012 10: 38
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                        Marek Rozny "The Russian government was already firmly on the Kazakh land, the Russian army was pounded everywhere in the Steppe, while the Kazakhs themselves were actually an unarmed nation." You are mistaken about the Russian army, she was at the front. I cited above the data on the Russian forces to reconcile the two regions. There are companies and half companies. Hundreds and fifty. To tell the truth, Cossack regiments also participated, from OKV 4,6,7 and 13 Cossack regiments two batteries. Shelves -500 centesimal composition. In November 1916, the largest detachment was created to suppress the uprising; it consisted of "17 companies, 19 - hundreds and squadrons of 14 guns and 17 machine guns." And then they pulled it apart - where could such a mass of troops be used? Well, local teams, squads, individual Cossack hundreds. Rifles: Berdan, Gra, Mosin. In the memoirs of Lieutenant Stanislavsky, two German instructors are mentioned who were captured by him among the Kazakhs. They tried to pass themselves off as Kazakhs. An interesting point. Is not it? Well, that's the lyrics ...
                      10. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 11 December 2012 09: 48
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                        Marek Rozny "but also the 6000th detachment of Bekovich-Cherkassky also perished ingloriously before that" 1. As I remember, Bekovich-Cherkassky got to Central Asia bypassing Kazakhstan. Then where are the Kazakhs? 2. Fortresses Ak-Orda and Dzhulek with their capture the Russians began to build a fortified line. There, the Cossacks defeated the detachment of Iset Kutebarov and Suyunkara Murun. This happened in 1853. Active hostilities in Central Asia Chernyaev against Kokand in 1864. 3. War against Kenesary. Gee ... all the power of the Russian army? Here are the activists from the Kazakhs and helped the Cossacks to catch him across the steppes. Regarding Kene, I can say that this Great General did not take the village of Catherine. He skidded with his whole detachment for three hours and left. There were about 50 Cossacks. He has 1500-2000. Who was caught in the field and taken away with them - 28 people. What is the whole power of the army? With him, everything is obvious to me. Oh yeah ... it seemed like Akmolinsk was taken, such an assault against a company or two disabled teams with one gun ... If you insist on a regular army ... Maybe you have numbers of Russian regular regiments that were chasing him? Apparently the cavalry-infantry can not keep up. Regarding 1916, I can reassure you Kazakhs slaughtered Russian settlers, as it seemed to me with less enthusiasm than the current Kyrgyz, al bo Kyrgyz as you prefer. Here they are ... However, they are no stranger to, now they are over there Uzbeks, just cut. There were no peasants in the Russian villages - you know, there was a war. You are right about the cause of the whole uprising - land relations. The reason is forced labor for the army. The local Russian administration screwed up without explaining to the population that digging trenches and other work would be paid. So the uprising was basically suppressed in Kazakhstan as well. I mean large crowds are dispersed - people are recruited for work. Small detachments of Imanov and Dzhangeldin, of course, still galloped and galloped until 1917 and beyond. But on the whole, the active phase of the uprising ended. Regarding the main hearths, the Kyrgyz ran for a long time in the mountains and killed most of all the Russians, it is to the main hearths how? And Djunaid Khan? He rode on the sands and even after the civil one continued to gallop! Not the main focus? According to the population, the main foci are counted? By the number of rebels? As for the Cossacks, I do not agree with you, in general. Regarding the Argyns, you are aware that they became conscious of the Whites during the civil war. The Kazakhs were not a monolith during the civil war, the same was shared by some for the whites, and some for the red. And by birth.
                    2. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 32
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                      Marek Rozny

                      Quote: Marek Rozny
                      And when the Russians decided to conquer Central Asia

                      and what? if the people of Kazakhstan did not have the will, what claims do the Russians have for us?
                      Tashkent, with a population of 100 000 people, we took the Russians as ice cream, Samarkand was generally a gift!
                      Now the question is: when the Muslims of Central Asia became part of Russia, was it grief for Muslims, or not?
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 17: 48
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                        "Central Asia" and "peoples of Kazakhstan" are synonyms for you? To be honest, I didn't quite understand. It seems to me that you are confusing Kazakhs and Central Asians. Starting with the fact that Kazakhstan is not part of Central Asia, and ending with the fact that Kazakhs differ sharply from sedentary Uzbeks and Tajiks in terms of mentality, like a Chechen from a Sami.
                        Secondly, about "grief or happiness." Since the time of the conquest of Central Asian cities, the Russian Empire has actually given them nothing. St. Petersburg did not build any "theaters and other Disneylands" there. What was needed for imperial purposes was built - the necessary minimum of infrastructure to maintain Russian power. The fact that the conquest of the Central Asian cities was accompanied by a huge amount of blood of civilians is mentioned in any Russian primary source of those years. The Russians beat the Sarts so that even absolutely non-pacifist Kazakhs and those went nuts from the cruelty of the Chernyevs, and therefore left the Russian army after that - from Chingizid Valikhanov to infantryman Zhayau Musa. The Russian government has brought absolutely nothing good to the peoples of Central Asia. I have a large library of pre-revolutionary books in electronic form at home, Russian travelers sadly emphasize that the Empire only aggravated the problems of the region (to put it mildly). And we have not even touched on the topic of taking land in favor of the Stolypin beggars!
                        Anyone who is more or less versed in the history of the region begins to give examples of the construction of irrigations. But all this was usually built on paper. Russian local officials knocked out money for construction, and it is banal to steal a little more than completely. Moreover, even in the 20-30s of the 20th century, officials sent from Russia in the region did everything exactly the same (bright moments are described in the book "Turkestan under the rule of the Soviets", Mustafa Chokai).
                        I, of course, understand that lately Russian-speakers have got used to the phrase like "Russians invaded villages and left behind theaters and aquariums", but in the real Russian tsarist power brought more troubles than benefits to Central Asians. The pros and cons of the Soviet period are another matter for discussion.
                        And about taking cities, I answered just above Nagaibaku.
                      2. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 10 December 2012 09: 58
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                        Marek Rozny "Of course, I understand that lately Russian-speakers have gotten used to the phrase like Russians invaded villages and left behind theaters and aquariums" - You know when I look at Central Asia and think what would have happened if the Russians had not joined it ... And what comes to my mind is not Kuwait and the UAE, Saudi Arabia, but Afghanistan with all the consequences ...
                      3. Beck
                        Beck 10 December 2012 20: 53
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                        Quote: Nagaibak
                        You know, when I look at Central Asia and think what would happen if the Russians didn’t join it


                        Attached, colonized this story. If there weren’t colonization for the most part, Kazakhstan would be at the level of Mongolia. This is true. What to talk about it.

                        Russia, in most of the USSR, through the Russian language introduced my people to the culture of civilization, to its achievements. This is so, and this is the story.

                        Just like the Germans, the Dutch Kukuy and those foreigners whom Peter invited to Russia, brought to Russia the culture and civilization of what was then Europe. And the German Catherine 2 strengthened this. By inviting to Russia not only scientists, but also ordinary farmers. This is so and this is also a story.
                      4. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 11 December 2012 11: 04
                        0
                        Dear Beck, I wrote Central Asia- Kazakhstan did not mean.
                      5. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 11 December 2012 05: 01
                        -1
                        This is nothing more than a fantasy, to talk about what Kazakhstan would be like without the Russian government. I just ask you to take into account that even before the Russian government, the Kazakhs never had a famine (there were jutes-lack of fodder, a massive pestilence of cattle, but at the same time, the remaining cattle was always more than enough.the steppe people never have famine), and after 1991 we managed to build a normal state, which even has space and arctic ambitions. In the first half of the 90s, any Kazakh constantly heard live "without us (Russians), you will die of hunger and crawl on your knees." It is enough to at least look at the archives of the Russian-language press in the internet for those years to remember all this. So let's not indulge ourselves with false illusions about stupid Kazakhs who are supposedly obliged to thank some nation for something. Our alphabet appeared trivially earlier and sewage systems in Kazakh cities (believe me, we also had cities) existed when London was still a village. The Kazakhs developed science in the 8-10th century, the Russians from the 18-20th century (it is inconvenient to remind that the first Russian scientists were entirely with German surnames, and Mikhailo Lomonosov and Vinogradov, no matter how Germanophobes they were, but still immigrants from German At the same time, the Germans do not poke at the Russians, they say, they would graze their pigs, if not for our contribution to your development). And then, the 20th century is more a century of Soviet science than Russian. By the 18th century, we were really in a cesspool, that's right. At that time, we no longer had any science and progress. The sultans tore power from each other. And endless total wars with neighbors have consumed all the resources. After all, the entire nation was actually at war. There was no time for chemical experiments. At that time, the Kazakh was only interested in the "meat-woman-war". The tsarist government gave the Kazakhs absolutely nothing except problems. The Soviet government gave a lot, but it also took a lot - from human lives (more than half of the nation died in 20 years from two famines in the 20s and 30s) to natural resources (to calculate how much Kazakhstan gave the Soviet Union from its bowels is an impossible task ). So the Khrushchevs and Baikonurs were paid in full with oil-metal-meat-grain. Still, the Kazakh SSR was a republicthe donor Union budget, not the recipient.
                      6. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 11 December 2012 11: 13
                        0
                        Marek Rozny "This is nothing more than a fantasy, to talk about what Kazakhstan would be like without the Russian government. I just ask you to take into account that even before the Russian government, the Kazakhs never had a famine (jute-lack of fodder, a massive pestilence of cattle, but at the same time, the remaining cattle were always more than enough. the steppe people do not have famines), Eh Marek, Marek - where did you get it from? You rolled like cheese in butter? Hmm ... And there was never hunger? Or maybe, on the contrary, is this a normal state? Kazakhs were forced to spend all their strength - stupidly for survival and they had no time for sciences and other joys of civilization ... And since they have ineffective management - they had to fill the shortcomings with raids? What kind of development is there?
              2. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 9 December 2012 04: 51
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241
                : Soldiers are not born, they become soldiers.

                I’ll add, Russian is not a nationality, it’s SPIRIT!
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 9 December 2012 04: 57
                  +3
                  This guy was going to be canonized, and made to the spiritual patrons of the border troops, however who they consider him to be, like his mother.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 9 December 2012 05: 00
                    0
                    ....................................... Here is the answer to all questions! ..
                2. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 06: 22
                  -1
                  I agree with this with pleasure :)
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 9 December 2012 10: 37
                +2
                Quote: Alex 241

                I will add a hackneyed phrase: Soldiers are not born, they become soldiers.

                This is not a hackneyed phrase, but the truth of life !!
                First of all, the formation of a soldier as a combat unit depends on the officers, their literacy, patience, and training!
                Discipline is the cornerstone in the foundation of a soldier, where there is discipline and a competent commander, there will certainly be a victory !!
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 04: 01
              -2
              Carlson, I, of course, know about some exceptional episodes of WWII, when Jews in the occupied lands gathered in partisan units and inflicted significant damage on the Germans. But these are individual moments in the tragedy of the Jewish people in Europe. In general, the entire Jewish population without any particular struggle fell into concentration camps. I can’t say that I know the history of the Holocaust brilliantly, but the little that I read suggests that the Jews allowed the Germans to drive themselves into the ghetto, send them to death camps, kill and hang them. I can’t imagine that the Dagestan Kumyk or Ingush, Kazakh or Tatar would allow himself to be killed so ingloriously and with impunity.
              And I ask you to excuse me for my ignorance, but whom did the Jews cut out in the promised land? I just don’t know ... Even if that was the case, I suppose that the victims were simply other Semites. Who lived there besides the Semites, whether Jews or nomads who later became Arabs?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 December 2012 04: 15
                -1
                Former partisan, historian scientist, brigade general in the reserve of the Israel Defense Forces Dr. Yitzhak Arad talks about life in the partisan detachment and about his participation in the establishment of the state of Israel: “In Palm, I said that I was called only in the partisans”
              2. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 9 December 2012 05: 14
                +2
                Marek Rozny
                Excuse me, do you write from the states? I haven’t been in those parts for a long time, it’s just interesting how it is now feel .

                Quote: Marek Rozny
                I, of course, know about some exceptional episodes of WWII, when Jews in the occupied lands gathered in partisan units and inflicted significant damage on the Germans.

                it was in Belarus. an example is the Belsky detachment.

                Quote: Marek Rozny
                . I can’t say that I know the history of the Holocaust brilliantly, but the little that I read suggests that the Jews allowed the Germans to drive themselves into the ghetto, send them to death camps, kill and hang them. I can’t imagine that the Dagestan Kumyk or Ingush, Kazakh or Tatar would allow himself to be killed so ingloriously and with impunity.


                You are a little mistaken, the overwhelming majority of Jews in the USSR lived in Belarus, since it was very quickly captured by the Germans, people simply did not have time to come to their senses and evacuate. Exactly the same situation (well, almost) was in France, Poland and Ukraine. According to the recollections of eyewitnesses (he asked himself), trenches near cities (in Belarus) were filled with the corpses of Jews. As an example Lvov, when the Germans entered the "warriors" - the UPA already killed, robbed, raped and drove (I can provide a photo) Lviv Jews (almost none of the Lvov Jews survived) to the Germans; in Bila Tserkva (a small city in Ukraine, it still exists), all adult Jews were shot (one must take into account the fact that combat-ready were either drafted into the Red Army or volunteered for the front), and all Jewish children from newborns to 12 they were locked up in a basement, where they died of hunger and dehydration. the beginning of the German film "Stalingrad".


                Quote: Marek Rozny
                I can’t imagine that the Dagestan Kumyk or Ingush, Kazakh or Tatar would allow himself to be killed so ingloriously and with impunity.

                I often fought as a friend, I took part in group fights more than once - I saw how very cool guys whined and betrayed, and quietly in life, fought to the death, one cannot judge people so categorically.

                Quote: Marek Rozny
                And I ask you to excuse me for my ignorance, but whom did the Jews cut out in the promised land? I just don’t know ...

                read about Joshua carefully this is complete

                Quote: Marek Rozny
                Even if it was, I suppose that the victims were simply other Semites.

                are you from Kazakhstan if so, then you know, as well as me, that the worst enemy is not the external, but the internal.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 20: 22
                  0
                  1) I don’t know why, but my IP looks like American on the site :))) provider - "Beeline" :)))
                  2) Thank you for recalling where the Jewish partisan detachment existed. I was forgotten.
                  3) but in general, about the Jews, I already answered, there’s simply nothing to add to my words. although I summarize again - there are brilliant wars from the Jewish people, but the people themselves, for the most part, are absolute zero as a combat unit. something like Romanians or Italians in this regard. at the same time, I agree that in other areas, Jews are rightfully achieving significant successes - art, business, medicine, etc.
                  4) Someday I read about Navin, but I expected to see just a short answer - for example, "Jews massacred the Sumerians / Yakuts / Cherokee / Moldavians in Jerusalem". I would be grateful for such an answer.
                  5) Yes, I am Kazakh from Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs did not have an internal enemy in their history, as well as there were no mass civil wars. Generally. Never. Kazakh khans and sultans lived according to the principle "Kazakh does not kill a Kazakh." The establishment could bite to death with each other, but the people were never involved in a war with themselves. But we have age-old external allies and age-old external enemies. Our political weather vane did not spin and does not spin, while neighbors never looked into the mouths.
                  Kazakhs will not fight against Russians or Kyrgyz, Ukrainians or Georgians, Mongols or Belarusians under any conditions. We have too much in common in culture and history, starting with linguistics and ending with the outer perimeter of the "Big Horde", which the Kazakhs perceive as their territory from the Crimea to the Far East. But with the Chinese, Western Europe or America, we will willingly fight. They are for us the "enemy in sleep mode" :)
            3. Yarbay
              Yarbay 9 December 2012 10: 40
              0
              Quote: Karlsonn
              I have a classmate in Khabarovsk, a Jew's name is Demyan, the school was quiet and quiet, now he commands a battalion in Israel

              Jews studied with me and lived in the yard, all were quiet guys, I even thought that all Jews by nature do not like to fight, they do not like sports!
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 49
                0
                Yarbay
                Quote: Yarbay
                Jews studied with me and lived in the yard, all were quiet guys

                at the school of the Olympic reserve, I and the guy are Jewish (I write and I'm amazed at myself) in short, we have deprived each other of the title of MC. Fighted for forty minutes. And I and on his skin stood out === about 7-mm fat .. neither grab nor hold --- nor anything, in the end we died.
                If someone says: - Come on in a circle, I am the first, but those who say that Jews are weak .... belay You take off from the beginning to fight.
          2. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 9 December 2012 10: 21
            +2
            Marek Rozny "But as a fighting unit of the Jews, I tend to consider it insufficiently militant." - So many officers of the old Russian army believed - read their memoirs. There is no worse soldier than a Jew !!! Almost everyone sounds. It seems to me that the Jews did not consider imperial Russia as their homeland, and so they cut it out as best they could. The USSR gave many of them, as they say, a start in life. Teachers, doctors, scientists, military, etc. They considered the Union their homeland and fought like everyone else. Moreover, they knew what would happen to them if the Germans won.
            Now they have a homeland - Israel. So they pile up the Arabs, they know that no one will stand up for their defense except them. And if the Arabs defeat them then kirdyk.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 18: 45
              +2
              I mentioned that Soviet Jews valiantly fought in the army, and I understand that they are for their homeland, which could save them from German sadism.
              But I say it again, I don’t understand how millions of Jews obediently went to the slaughter? Okay, in some village, the Germans SUDDENLY fell from the sky and shot the taken aback Jews, but on a large scale the Jews suffered insults in the streets, then the ghettos, then the camps, and then, in general, obediently went to the crematorium. There is no need to talk about some kind of mass Jewish resistance. The same Belarusians gave the Germans a hard hit as a partisan force. The Yugoslavs were sometimes pretty good at the Germans. And the Jews, knowing that they all had a death sentence, did nothing to defend themselves. An entire Jewish nation in Europe was exterminated in a couple of years without any resistance from the victims. A whole people! No resistance on their part! And when I found out that tens of thousands of "hiding" Jews served in the Wehrmacht and the SS, to be honest, I went nuts. They still wet their own so that no one would suspect them. And even if there were more heroes of the Soviet Union among the Jews than among the Kazakhs, this does not convince me that the Jews are tough wars, and the Horde are rotten meat.
              Well, to kill the Arabs is a historically simple matter. The Arabs (the same Semites, as you know) have never been good wars either. The famous "Arab conquests" were made by the Turkic armies. The Arabs called the steppe inhabitants "the shield and sword of Islam". Although, of course, the Arabs once wanted to conquer the Turks, but in the early Middle Ages the Arabs were hit in the neck and stopped exactly on the border between the settled Sarts and the steppe-Turks (present-day Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan). Well, and then the Arabs flirted with the Turks in every possible way, so that they would convert to Islam and stand up for the protection of the Arabs. For this, they even recognized horsemeat as a permitted food in Islam, although initially horsemeat was considered a forbidden food, such as pork :)))) But what can you do for the sake of politics :)))) If the steppe dwellers of pigs, the Semites would subscribe to it , just to attract the Turkic warriors.
              I do not particularly share Arabs and Jews. For me, they are practically the same, although I myself am Muslim. That the Arabs do not know how to fight, that the Jews. So they flounder with each other in a small sandbox, which you can find horseradish on the map, roughly speaking.
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 03: 32
          +4

          This tank is from a column of tanks, which was presented by the Kazakhs from Mongolia. Moreover, in fact, the very ones who, less than 10 years in 1932-1933, escaped from the Soviet regime after the horrors of collectivization and the famine that followed. Nevertheless, these Kazakhs took the attack on the USSR as a personal insult and, together with other citizens of Mongolia, made their contribution to the defeat of German troops.
          During the Second World War, the Kazakhs of the Bai-Ulga district of Mongolia provided assistance to the Red Army. In 1941-1942, the inhabitants of this aimak sent 703 thousand rubles, almost 5000 horses. In 1943 - 376 thousand rubles, 2600 horses. In 1944 - 100 thousand rubles, almost 800 horses. In 1945 - more than 1000 horses.
          The tank column "Revolutionary Mongolia" in October 1942 also became a contribution from Mongolia. For this, by February 1942, the USSR Vneshtorgbank received from the Mongolian People's Republic for the construction of tanks:
          1. Tugriks - 2,5 million,
          2. American dollars - 100 thousand.,
          3. gold - 300 kg (in the currency of the USSR - 3,8 million rubles).

          With these funds, a tank column was purchased in the amount of:
          1. T-34 - 32 tanks,
          2. T-70 - 21 tanks.

          On January 12, 1943, in Naro-Fominsk, Colonel Leonov (commander of the 112th Red Banner Tank Brigade) received these 53 tanks. Rezkov became the tank commander (pictured) with the inscription "Bayan-Ulgey" (Kazakh region in Mongolia). This tank reached Berlin in 1945. This tank brigade gave 16 Heroes of the Soviet Union.
          Handing over the tanks, the Mongolian Marshal H. Choibalsan said: “May these formidable vehicles be a symbol of the indestructible friendship of our peoples. Let them remind you daily and hourly that the entire Mongolian people are with you, that they will give everything they rich to the cause of the struggle against the enemy of progressive mankind - German fascism. ” Choibalsan also said that the Mongolian people take upon themselves the full clothing and food supplies of the 112th brigade until the end of the war.

          What is this infa for? I often see how some interlocutors cover up their fellow tribesmen, who became traitors and fought on the side of Germany, claiming that, they say, the Soviet power so annoyed the Bendera-Vlasovites and all sorts of skins that they had no choice but to settle accounts with the communists. But no less offended Asians who emigrated from the USSR in the 30s, for some reason decided that they needed to help their unkind Motherland. And instead of making a pod, on the contrary, they tried with all their might to strengthen the Red Army. This is the right attitude towards your country. And the defenders of the Bender-Vlasovs and supporters of the theme of "NKVD-shnyh horror stories" are simply trying to perfume the shit. No NKVD decides for you to love your homeland or not. This means that he cannot be afraid of forced conscription. Either you love the country and defend it, whatever it may be, or you are simply a traitor, covering up your cowardice with verbiage to please the invaders.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 9 December 2012 03: 48
            +2
            ............................................................
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 9 December 2012 03: 58
              +1
              ..............................................................
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 December 2012 04: 03
                0
                Wolf Messing's plane .........................
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 04: 11
                  -2
                  Wow! I did not know that Messing presented the Red Army with a plane! Thanks for the photo!
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 9 December 2012 04: 19
                    +1
                    I hope the pilot learned?
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 9 December 2012 04: 24
                      +1
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                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 9 December 2012 04: 25
                        0
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            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 04: 20
              +3
              and you can also recall that the Tuvans were not part of the USSR during the war, but nevertheless considered themselves obliged to go to the Red Army and help the Soviet Union materially and disinterestedly without any "Lend-Lease". Well, in general, the volume of supplies from Mongolia and Tuva to our country was only a third less than the total volume of supplies from the USA, Canada, Great Britain and the British Commonwealth combined. We often remember the help of the Western allies and completely ignore the contribution to the Victory from the Asians. Mongols and Tuvans are modest and sincere, and they are not fond of PR, unlike the Anglo-Saxons.
          2. carbofo
            carbofo 12 December 2012 14: 42
            0
            Marek rozny,
            No NKVD decides for you to love your homeland or not. And that means he can’t make him afraid of compulsory appeal. Either you love the country and defend it, whatever it may be, or you are a traitor who covers his cowardice with verbiage to please the invaders.

            Golden words, subscribe to every word.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 9 December 2012 10: 41
          +1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Tell it to him

          ++++++++++++++++++++
          1. Beck
            Beck 9 December 2012 12: 13
            +2
            Attack pilot Talgat Begeldinov. The first of the Soviet pilots on the Il-2 was shot down by the Messer. Start.
            1. Beck
              Beck 9 December 2012 12: 20
              +2
              The end of the war.

              Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, attack pilot Talgat Begeldinov. The first of the Soviet pilots flying over Berlin, with reconnaissance mission, Day.
  7. igordok
    igordok 8 December 2012 10: 33
    +6
    For me, the concept of the SOVIET MAN (who is spreading his tongue now) is not alien. Each of us is a Belarusian, a Ukrainian, a Tatar ... .... ...., and when together (next to you) - power, especially when it’s worth it.
    1. 22rus
      22rus 8 December 2012 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: igordok
      Each of us is a Belarusian, a Ukrainian, a Tatar ... .... ...., and when together (next to you) - power, especially when it’s worth it.


      Banker, Jew, Anti-Semite,
      Skinhead, Realtor and Slut
      They will fight back, hired,
      And the Motherland will become a Power!
      1. dmb
        dmb 8 December 2012 12: 11
        +1
        If you put a hyphen between the first two words, then who do you think of the above is a role model, on whose example it is necessary to educate our children and grandchildren?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 8 December 2012 12: 41
          0
          And you need him http://www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/presaizen.html ask. He will explain everything to you. Intellectual you are ours.
          1. dmb
            dmb 8 December 2012 20: 19
            +1
            You know passed, and read with interest, because I had not heard this name before. Unfortunately, you will not ask him, and the answer is actually obvious. None of the categories listed in the libel would have clearly entered it, for this man gave his life.
        2. 22rus
          22rus 8 December 2012 14: 17
          -2
          And you can choose only the first two? smile
          1. dmb
            dmb 8 December 2012 20: 21
            0
            Categories are listed by you, not me. So you and the cards in hand.
            1. 22rus
              22rus 8 December 2012 20: 30
              -5
              Quote: dmb
              So you and cards in hand

              Well, if everything is in my hands, then like this:

              Like a trained watchdog
              With a grenade crawled under the tanks.
              To the embrasure? No problem!
              Although, funnier - on the cart.
              1. dmb
                dmb 8 December 2012 22: 09
                +2
                But you still did not answer the question. Tell me, did someone offend you from war veterans? You do not believe that people did not die by order, but by conviction, not at all interested in what the nationality of those who die next to him, as well as those for whom they die ?. If so, then I am sorry for you.
                1. 22rus
                  22rus 8 December 2012 22: 30
                  -3
                  Quote: dmb
                  You do not believe that people did not die on orders, but on beliefs, completely not interested in what is the nationality of those who die next to him, as well as those for whom they die? If so, then I am sorry for you.

                  I believe that people didn’t go to war to die, as you are pushing us hard, but win.. And there - someone as lucky.
                  I am also sorry that you do not understand this.
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 9 December 2012 00: 45
                    +2
                    And so trying to insult their memory so mockingly? So I say, I feel sorry for you.
        3. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 8 December 2012 16: 29
          +5
          dmb

          Quote: dmb
          then who in your opinion is a role model, on whose example it is necessary to educate our children and grandchildren?


          The question is certainly not for me, but I offer here such an example and a role model.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 20: 35
            -2
            I put a plus for sure. this is a hero and a daredevil, who can and should be proud of both the Jews and the rest of the "Soviet"!
  8. 416sd
    416sd 8 December 2012 11: 10
    +6
    ETERNAL MEMORY OF THEM! GLORY TO HEROES, GLORY TO GRANDFATES, GLORY TO ALL, DEPENDING ON NATIONALITY!

    Documentary film "416th Taganrog Rifle: We Won Together"
    http://yoldash.net/2012/07/15/%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D
    0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC-416-%D1%8F-%D0
    %B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BC%D1%8B-%D0%BF/

    At the Sambek heights there is a battle.
    Artillery, tanks, infantry.
    Zulfigar was so young!
    Young always live in the hunt.

    Height ... And then Taganrog.
    “-Hey, kardash!” Is there a Maiden’s tower there? ”
    He boiled: “- You say, Taganrog?
    City of Chekhov? To be ours! ”

    Height ... A flurry of fire and lead.
    I got up alive - you are going down a corpse.
    “Hey, ball! Let's drink better than wine.
    Isn’t it stupid to die for Russia? ”

    “Yes close your throat, shaitan!”
    Zulfigar turned gray with anger.
    Full-length Caucasian Titan stood up
    And he destroyed the Fritz right and left.

    And when the enemy asked for a break,
    Suspended by such a mess
    He wrote, they say, his book,
    It was called Fire Against Darkness.

    He conjured, they say, in a low voice:
    "-If the bullet finds me here,
    The obelisk will sprout my ear
    Bread ears rise.

    Alexandra or Seryozhenka
    Mother will bow to me,
    The son of grains will rub a taganzhenka, -
    My blood will enter his heart ... "

    Zulfigar ended the line like that ...
    Where was his dugout - now arable land ...
    And I am always drawn to Baku,
    Pray at the Maiden's Tower.

    Alexander Fomenkov
  9. AK-47
    AK-47 8 December 2012 13: 54
    +5
    . The call for "mortal combat" with "fascist power in the dark" was heard by millions of Soviet people.
    1. 22rus
      22rus 8 December 2012 14: 23
      -9
      Quote: AK-47
      The call for "mortal combat" with "fascist power in the dark" was heard by millions of Soviet people.

      The "call" was not so much heard as seen. And long before the war. Moreover, with an explanation of what will happen to those who do not hear this call.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 8 December 2012 16: 25
        +2
        22rus

        Quote: 22rus
        Moreover, with an explanation of what will happen to those who do not hear this call.


        Perhaps in your reality they don’t know anything: about volunteers, how people rushed to the front, how they fled from hospitals, but this is only your personal problem.
        1. 22rus
          22rus 8 December 2012 17: 00
          -3
          Quote: Karlsonn
          Perhaps in your reality they don’t know anything: about volunteers, how people rushed to the front, how they fled from hospitals, but this is only your personal problem.

          I do not know about those who in June 1941 escaped from hospitals.
          I know about volunteers.
          But the vast majority went by order.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 40
            +2
            22rus
            Quote: 22rus
            I do not know about those who in June 1941 escaped from hospitals.
            I know about volunteers.
            But the vast majority went by order.


            you are mistaken, I can endlessly throw links, photos and quotes, I will limit myself to another example:

            She left as a volunteer ...

            Nastya Babochkina participated in the battle of Moscow, which ended 70 years ago - 20 April 1942 years
            As soon as the announcer Yuri Levitan read a message on the radio
            about the treacherous attack of Nazi Germany on the USSR, almost
            mobilization summons began to be brought to each house of Krasnaya Polyana. Those who were not brought in, stood in line at the military registration and enlistment office, wishing to leave their homeland to protect with volunteers: gray-haired men, boys and girls, fit for them as sons and daughters. A huge country got up for a mortal battle. "Get up, a huge country, get up for a mortal battle ..."
            The owner of the wooden house No. 15 (still standing) on ​​the street of Krasnopolyanskaya, Yakov Babochkin, knew that the summons from the draft board would not be brought here. He himself had already exchanged the sixth dozen, is not subject to appeal, and all the children are daughters. Oh, how he dreamed of a son - a breadwinner, an heir! Each time, seeing that the wife again suffered, he asked and begged: "Already now, dear Natalya Georgievna, bring a man - the defender of our country and our country!" When she gave birth to the first, named Evdokia, she reassured her fiancé, they say, everything was wise: she would nurse the smaller brothers. I thought to please the second time: but no, again a girl. Baptized Nastya. I would be glad to make my husband's dream come true for the third, fifth, finally, for the sixth time, yes, as luck would have it, the girls rained down one after another.
            “Thinking about his son, Yakov Andreyevich, looking at his hat at night, should put it under his pillow,” the men mockingly teased their neighbor. He laughed it off as best he could: and, as they say, he dreamed until the last about the heir to the ancient family of the Butterflies, who gained fame and on a labor field - workaholics to the seventh sweat, jack of all trades; and on the military: in the Patriotic War of the 1812 of the year, the Butterflies beat the French. Arriving at the order of Kutuzov in the village of Volchenki, six kilometers from Vereya, the hero of Borodin, General Ivan Dorokhov, addressed the head of the local partisan detachments N. Skobeev with a letter: “To visit the villages of Vyshgorod and other villages of the inhabitants so that they armed themselves to exterminate the villains Fatherland ". They joined and swiftly took by storm a strong fortified, as it seemed to the enemy, invulnerable fortress with an earthen rampart almost to the skies.
            Ivan Semenovich sent a report from the freed Vereya Kutuzov: “Your Grace! The silence, structure and speed of the assault troops surpasses any likelihood of why I consider it my duty to draw your lordship to these worthy sons of the Fatherland. ” In the list of awarded there were many peasants of Vereisk district. Some of them received St. George's Crosses. The names of several Mozhaisk partisan heroes are written in gold letters on the walls of the St. George Hall of the Kremlin and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. For this brilliant operation, the lieutenant general himself was awarded a gold saber decorated with jewels, with the inscription on the hilt: "For the Liberation of Vereya."
            Butterflies appeared in Krasnaya Polyana at the beginning of the 20th century. We moved to get a job at the local cotton spinning factory of Alexander Krestovnikov. “To exterminate the villains of the Fatherland” is among the immigrants from the Mozhaisk district and their descendants in the blood, in the genes. Evdokia - the first-born of the children - wanted in June 41 to leave the pedagogical school and volunteer for the front. Mother and father barely persuaded their daughter to graduate.
            The genes of the partisans of World War II of the 1812 of the year appeared in all the Butterflies. Some of them had a reservation, as they worked in the defense industry, but still asked to the front.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 41
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              The German was approaching Moscow. “Everything for the front, everything for the victory!” Sounded everywhere. Jacob came to the district executive committee: “They say that by age they are not suitable for conscription in the Red Army. Will you take partisans? My great-grandfather, by the way, with a pitchfork in his hands went to the adversary, but I can easily manage with the “mosinka”. And then I, an old tailor, can sew military uniforms. ” Took - just formed two partisan detachments. And in October of the 41, Babochkin ended up in the village of Vinogradovo near the Long Ponds on Dmitrovskoye Shosse.
              In the former landlord estate, Jacob was given a room for a sewing workshop, and other tailors were selected to help. Winter was expected to be frosty, the detachment commander gave the task of sewing cotton trousers, sheepskin short fur coats, fur gloves, and hemmed boots. And the partisan sewing factory started working.
              Komsomol member Nastya worked in her native school of pioneer leader. The genes of the ancestors - Mozhaisk partisans of the 1812 year - suddenly awakened in the 19-year-old beautiful girl a passionate desire to "exterminate the villains." When my mother gave a hint about this, she began to convince: “You educate children as patriots. Isn't that enough? ” It seems that the daughter agreed with such a convincing argument.
              And when my father arrived from Vinogradovo to pick up wooden mannequins from the house, from which he took measurements for short fur coats, I started a different conversation: “Dad, take me with you to the partisans.”
              - Yakov Andreyevich was a very respected person in Krasnaya Polyana. And as a tailor who dressed many, and as a wise, judicious person, ”says the son of his eldest Evdokia, Alexander Stanishevsky, who lives in Lobny. Retired major border guard, poet - member of the Russian Writers Union. - Here is a remarkable fact. When the Butterflies gathered for a family council to discuss together how to untie this or that tight life knot, they trusted him to say the word first. Despite the fact that Father Andrei was sitting right there.
              - But I heard my daughter’s request, told me, I lost my speech for a while. I recalled a Russian proverb: “I’ll scam someone else’s misfortune with my hands, but my own ...”, says Yakov Andreyevich’s goddaughter, the daughter of his wife’s sister Ekaterina Dmitrievna Stolyarova.
              How not to understand the father’s anxiety: to take a young daughter to war, where are wounds, blood, where is death? .. But the male soul cross, which had tormented him for a long time that did not give a single soldier to the Motherland, made itself felt: “He did not give birth to a son- defender - take out your beloved daughter to exterminate the villains of the Fatherland! ” Wife Natalia seemed to predict that it would be so, and also did not begin to contradict the will of Nastya.
              Play, accordion ...
              The economic head of the partisan detachment has stocked everything that is needed to destroy the enemy, for life in the forests near Moscow. And when the volunteers, mainly workers of Krasnaya Polyana enterprises, Komsomol members, advanced in November to the Long Ponds, it immediately became apparent: they forgot to bring an accordion with them. Who better than Babochkin, the dashing talyanichnik, to go home behind her, vociferous, so that the spirit of the fighters lifts?
              Jacob chose from the two instruments he had at his home not lacquer, but lame. Because although it is plain-looking in appearance, it’s tiny, but melodious. In the 20 years of the twentieth century, father’s rainfall has outlived its age, and there was nowhere to buy a new one - accordion production in a country tormented by the Civil War then went dead. Live without a voice? What life without her ?! And then Yakov Andreyevich undertook to make a musical instrument with his own hands. Most difficult were the bellows. Buttons could not be found, instead of them adapted ... ordinary buttons. Typically, the body is decorated with mother-of-pearl flowers, buttercups, he did not: “If the throat is ringing on the nightingale, then why does it need a colorful feather ?!”. Most of all he cared about how to establish the breath of the newborn.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 42
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                Attached fasteners, a belt, unfolded - and the chrome came to life with the 21 “key” (instead of the traditional 27) on the right side of the double row. I tried it, my wife immediately noted that her voice was special - languid, with sadness.
                In the cold hall of the club of the children's sanatorium "Long Ponds" the partisans gathered in the evenings, sang patriotic songs to Jacob's accordion. By the way, the Russian talyanki and lame were the whole war with the people. Under their draft modulations they went to the front mobilized "under the gun" (often they also took away their vociferous friends), soldiers at the halt sorted out buttons. Recall Twardowski: "Warm up, balk / All go to the harmonist." Harmon helped people to “pronounce” what is cooked in their souls, to survive difficulties, a great misfortune that suddenly fell upon a state.
                - The Germans broke into Krasnaya Polyana on November 30 of the formidable 41. But two days before this, an officer who was in the house of the Butterfly, advised my grandmother Natalya Grigoryevna to leave with her children for Moscow, because the German, they say, was already in the village of Ozeretskoye. And the female family walked towards Lianozovo, ”continues the story of Alexander Dionisovich.
                On the night of 7 on 8 December, our troops liberated Krasnaya Polyana. Since the 22 of June, for the Krasnoye Polyans, the war thundered somewhere, and at the end of November, it, damned, approached their thresholds. The snow-covered Tufted Field, which began right under the window of the Butterfly House and became a bloody battlefield, was red. Upon returning home, they, along with all the inhabitants of the village, transported the bodies of those who died in military drags and sledges into mass graves. Natalia Georgievna, Yakov Andreyevich, their daughters ...
                The partisans who returned to Krasnaya Polyana were ordered to keep the powder dry. And for the bold tailor Babochkin, who dressed the unit’s soldiers in cotton trousers, sheepskin short fur coats and hemmed boots, the authorities allocated a house for the workshop. Yakov Andreyevich recruited ready-made masters from his fellow countrymen, as well as students. And the "factory" earned, fulfilling orders for the front. The hereditary patriotic partisan rejoiced that he was serving the Fatherland as a deed.
                Signal courses
                Nastya was the favorite of her parents. Like none of the daughters, she adopted the ability of her mother to cook, embroider, and her father to sew. Returning home from Dolgie Prudy, Yakov Andreyevich wanted to seat Nastya at the sewing machine in his workshop. And she said: “There is a military unit in Dolgoprudny, signalmen are required there. I want to go volunteer. ”
                Gathered for a family council. This time the landlord did not speak first. The wife spoke first: “Daughter, you in the father’s workshop will bring more benefits for our victory than with the telephone. Look, warm clothes for front-line soldiers are taken from my father, he barely has time to make the last seam. " Relatives rowed and so and so, they said, they say, war is not a woman’s, but a man’s business. But Nastya, with all her appearance, gave a sign to her relatives: she was ready to go to war. Yakov Andreyevich spoke last: “Since there is no one else in our family to protect us with you, mother, I bless my daughter!”
                They immediately arranged for Nasten’s seeing off to the Red Army. War is war, and many have respected this tradition. We took a sip on a glass, then someone said: “Why are we sitting silently? Take it, Yakov Andreyevich, accordion, hang us! ”
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 43
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                  “Grandfather and grandmother had strong, beautiful voices.” “We sang so much at parties that it was impossible not to get married!” - joked, it happened. He was an avid harmonist. And he played famously on the balalaika. Songs loved folk more. “The reeds rustled, the trees bent,” is their crown number, ”says Alexander Dionisovich.
                  That evening the accordion-talker in Yakov’s hands sang especially languidly and sadly. And to say that, he does not celebrate his daughter’s wedding - he escorts his darling to the very heat, to the war ... He did not play for long. Having closed the furs, having put on metal fasteners on them, he said:
                  “I give a note: I won’t take the lame again in my hands until the war comes to a peace, until Nastya returns home.” It was then that my faithful friend, bored, would tear from my hands, pour in shots, fill up with trills!
                  Mother, seeing her daughter off to fight, burst into tears. My father bit his lip to restrain himself.
                  How Nastya became a military cook
                  At the very beginning of the 1942 of the year, they sent Anastasia Babochkin to serve the newly minted communicationsman in the aviation unit, which was located near Dolgoprudny.
                  –Aunt Nastya told how she became a front-line cook. They brought them to a clean field near Kalinin, they said that there will now be an airfield. By evening, they say, planes will arrive. The cook almost threw a tantrum: “Yes, I have a piece of bread, and even that! What will I feed the crews with? ” The young signalman suggested that her colleagues go to the nearest village to get food to feed the eagles, nephew Babochkina continues.
                  We went home, the housewives greeted the girls in the form cordially, gave them potatoes, lard, cow butter, beaten up eggs, hen's bread ... There were so many gifts that the collective farm foreman allocated an horse-drawn cart with the charioteer to bring it all good to the field, which became a military airfield.
                  Dinner turned out, as the grateful pilots later said, the royal. The unit commander, evaluating the resourcefulness of the signalman and culinary abilities, began to ask who she learned to cook so tasty. “My mother’s, from young nails,” he heard the answer. So the pilots got a new chef.
                  For three and a half years of the war, Anastasia Babochkina was the permanent queen of the airfield-based airfield kitchen. She fed the pilots their fill of borscht and kulesh. For these works, she was awarded the military badge "Excellent cook", which was established by Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on July 8 1943. It said: “The badge is awarded to the rank and file of commanding staff of the Red Army commandant service, systematically showing high samples of excellent preparation of tasty, varied food in a combat situation; careful maintenance and savings in a combat situation of the material part of the field kitchen and personal weapons. ” So the military work of only 33 of thousands of cooks of the Great Patriotic War was noted.
                  And on May 9 of 1945 of the year, on Victory Day, near Königsberg, an excellent cook pampered the brave fighters with pies too, fortunately, the field kitchen with the 41KP-42 KP system trailer had, in addition to the boiler, two ovens with baking sheets. The aces of the heavens sang, danced, and alternately circled the charming Nastenia as a small child, as always, squandering compliments: “Our nurse, dear! Thank you for always firmly observing the unwritten requirement: war is war, and lunch is scheduled! ” We recalled the lines from "Vasily Terkin": "There is no better simple, healthy, / Good front-line food."
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 44
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                    For all the winners this day was a holiday, joy with tears in their eyes. But for Anastasia she’s also bitter, wormwood ... In the war, in this earthly hell, her first love was born. His name was Valery, but the detachment was called Chkalov. He was shy, he would take the bowl, and he would hold the cook’s hand for a minute, dream: “Since Polyana Krasnaya, we’ll live as the war will be reconciled in it. Parents, find out, not against the prima? ” Already on German soil, he took off from the airfield with his combat unit and did not return from air combat. As it turned out, it flew away forever ... And with it, in the blue spring sky, the female happiness of Anastasia Babochkina also melted forever. Her maiden name remained with her for the whole long, almost 90-year life ... Although, the village old-timers told me, she was beautiful, kind, economic, prominent, respectable men wooed her. Everyone was refused: "I have one heart."
                    Life after victory
                    Nastya returned to her father’s house with a victory. Immediately came neighbors, relatives. A table was set. And the long-awaited hour came when Yakov Andreevich pulled out a limp from the cabinet, carefully, slowly tried her voice, threw out his fingers from top to bottom on button keys, and sang vociferous. Fur, as promised by the father on the day of the daughter’s seeing off to the war, was poured with shots, torn with happiness that Nastya passed from Krasnaya Polyana to Königsberg and remained alive and well.
                    First, Anastasia Yakovlevna went to work at a cotton-spinning factory, and soon she was called a pastry chef at the company's dispensary. 33 year fed countrymen with dishes - no tastier. And in peacetime she kept the brand of an excellent cook.
                    Front-line niece Ekaterina Dmitrievna Stolyarova told me:
                    - I’m five years younger than Nastya. I used to ask you to tell about the war, but it immediately: “No and no, I won’t start to poison the soul with memories. And I’ll say one thing to the young: don’t bring the Lord to you to experience this evil evil! ” She lived in her father’s house for a long time, only in the 70 years they gave her an apartment in the house on Sportivnaya, next to me. I have been wondering all my life: I went through such torments, but there was kindness itself.
                    In the last journey, Krasnaya Polyana spent her modest daughter two years ago. With her consent, at the end of the last century, the grandson brought the grandfather’s accordion to the museum not only as a witness of what was and wasn’t overgrown, but as a participant in the historical events of the Babochkin clan, Fatherland. The partisan with a clear, nightingale-like voice is now in the museum at the stand, under glass, with an audible alarm.
                    This is what only one exhibit of the Lobny Museum of History hides in itself.
                    Yuri MAKHRIN.


                    PS: in some sources, the number of partisans indicate - 1 000 000 people, did they also receive a summons?
            2. 22rus
              22rus 8 December 2012 19: 49
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              Quote: Karlsonn
              you are mistaken

              In what?
              Quote: Karlsonn
              She left as a volunteer ...

              Listen to you, so with us all those who got to the front were volunteers. And who are volunteers? By definition, these are those who went to war of their own free will. And who didn’t have this, it turns out could not go? And what then is the State Defense Committee to do? To sit and wait when the inhabitants of the country wake up good will in the required quantity? Yeah, right now ...
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 8 December 2012 21: 17
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                22rus
                Quote: 22rus
                In what?


                Quote: 22rus
                The "call" was not so much heard as seen. And long before the war. Moreover, with an explanation of what will happen to those who do not hear this call.

                here in this, people did not go to the front from under a stick and not out of fear of punishment.

                Quote: 22rus
                Listen to you, so we all who came to the front were volunteers

                no, I don’t think so, I don’t need to ascribe other people's thoughts.
                You did not answer the question: - 1 000 000 partisans sent the agenda too?
                1. 22rus
                  22rus 8 December 2012 22: 12
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                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  You did not answer the question: - 1 000 000 partisans sent the agenda too?

                  No.
                  However, for 1 million volunteer partisans there will always be 1 million of our compatriots who have voluntarily agreed to cooperate with the enemy.
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 8 December 2012 23: 34
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                    22rus
                    I'm just amazed at you belay how dare you compare people who find themselves in the zone of occupation and take up arms in order to resist the enemy with inhuman conditions with scum that sided with the enemy?
                    1. 22rus
                      22rus 8 December 2012 23: 52
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                      What fright do you attribute to me such comparisons?
                      1. Karlsonn
                        Karlsonn 9 December 2012 02: 38
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                        22rus
                        with this
                        Quote: 22rus
                        However, at 1 million volunteer partisans there will always be 1 million of our compatriots who voluntarily agreed to cooperate with the enemy
                  2. vyatom
                    vyatom 9 December 2012 02: 15
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                    Yes, it is unlikely that they voluntarily collaborated. Children need to be fed, so they were hired by handymen. And how many of them helped the partisans?
                    1. Karlsonn
                      Karlsonn 9 December 2012 02: 47
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                      vyatom
                      Quote: vyatom
                      Yes, it is unlikely that they voluntarily collaborated. Children need to be fed, so they were hired by handymen. And how many of them helped the partisans?

                      my great-grandfather was shot by punishers in 42, for helping partisans, probably the children of the punishers did not starve after that.
                2. The cat
                  The cat 8 December 2012 23: 15
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                  Quote: Karlsonn
                  1 partisans sent the agenda too?


                  In Ukraine, the partisans apparently were worse.
                  “On November 15, 1942, 55 partisan detachments with a total number of 6350 people were registered on the territory of Ukraine, of which 38 partisan detachments with a total number of 5027 people had constant radio communication with the Ukrainian headquarters of the partisan movement.” T. Strokach
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 8 December 2012 23: 48
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                    The cat
                    the number 1 000 000 contains information about those who participated in the partisan struggle, both dead and alive, for example, like Mikhail Alekseevich Egorov.
          2. nnz226
            nnz226 9 December 2012 00: 00
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            In St. Petersburg, the Leningrad ARMY (!!!) of the People’s Militia was formed, in Moscow at least 8 militia divisions (and maybe 14) .. Remind me who went to the militia ?? !!! Not subject to appeal !!! 8 x 14000 MORE 100 000 PEOPLE - VOLUNTEERS! So it’s not necessary to reduce everything to the summons from the military registration and enlistment office, although no one has canceled the duty of protecting the Motherland. And how many people came to the military registration and enlistment offices on 23 of June 1941 of the year, even without subpoenas? Remind me? The appeal was designed for 3 weeks, because at the same time such a mass of men, to sfomit, change clothes, shoes, arm in one day is impossible. And 23 NUMBERS of the CROWD were breaking into the military commissariats! I think that you, dear, among them would hardly have been with such thoughts ...
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 9 December 2012 03: 49
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              nnz226
              so for sure, but a person from another reality, it’s hard to reach him.
            2. 22rus
              22rus 9 December 2012 07: 23
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              Quote: nnz226
              Remind me who went to the militia ?? !!!

              Yeah .. remind me to be nice.
              Quote: nnz226
              And how many people came to the military registration and enlistment offices already on June 23, 1941, even without subpoenas? Remind me?

              And this is a reminder, be kind.
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 8 December 2012 21: 10
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        22rus,
        I understood. You are the man who does not happen - the glass is half full!
        Your glass is always half empty.
        And this is the best guess about you.
        No one wanted to die! They didn’t want, not when, in any wars in any countries, under any king, under any leader, nor who did not want, BUT IN THE NAME THAT THE ENEMY DID NOT OVERCOME AND DIE!
        But this may not be about YOU.

        Even the enemy, the Germans, often paid tribute to the courage of our soldiers.
        Even the Germans should pay tribute! They are excellent warriors!
        And this gives us the right to take pride in our fighters who have overcome a really, strong and skillful enemy.
        But this is not for you. You need to look for ....
        I hope I'm wrong?
        1. 22rus
          22rus 8 December 2012 22: 16
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          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          No one wanted to die! They didn’t want, not when, in any wars in any countries, under any king, under any leader, nor who did not want, BUT IN THE NAME THAT THE ENEMY DID NOT OVERCOME AND DIE!

          Absolutely.
          Only my question, which I’m already tired of asking here: WHAT IS NATIONALITY HERE?
          Find the word nationality in this Decree.
          To the front are citizens of the USSR.
          The attack went soldiers.
          And no one said:
          -You are Jewish (Russian, Georgian, Yakut .. and so on)? Stay in the rear (in the trench).
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 8 December 2012 23: 27
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            22rus,
            If the "blooper" made it so and say it! That you are jumping from agenda to decree!
            That you that everyone explained what will happen if you do not come, then =
            [quote = 22rus] there will always be 1 million of our compatriots who voluntarily agreed to cooperate with the enemy. [/ quote], then the third. But for 1 million. to cooperate - there was an article and discussion on VO. Not enough for you? Have you passed by? You have no proof and cannot have it! Why "mess up"?

            And if about the title of the article, then, the truth is that there is a demand on the site to measure on this score, here the article is written! But the truth is still, it is necessary to look at how many award sheets were submitted! At the top, they tracked so that somehow all the awards were symmetrical.
            In any case, the awards did not always go through.
            1. 22rus
              22rus 8 December 2012 23: 50
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              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              If the "blooper" made it so and say it! That you are jumping from agenda to decree!

              What kind of blunder are you talking about ??
              What kind of agenda are you talking about? I did not report or write anything about the agenda .... request

              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              You have no evidence and cannot be!
              Evidence of what? That a lot of our compatriots collaborated with the Germans ??
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              At the top, they tracked so that somehow all the awards were symmetrical.

              Symmetrical about nationality? And just tracked like that? Prove. And I will prove to you otherwise. The fact that during the "tracking" of awards they tracked a bunch of nuances, only there is nothing about nationality.
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 9 December 2012 13: 08
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                Quote: 22rus
                The "call" was not so much heard as seen.
                - = mobilization order is the summons.

                Quote: 22rus
                a bunch of ours collaborated with the Germans
                - a bunch is not 1.000.000 (watch what you write) For 1 million = evidence.


                Quote: 22rus
                that's about nationality
                - someone else would leave written evidence for you.
                Stalin could not allow (not Khrushchev with the Crimea). The national question of Stalin is universally recognized.
                Stalin himself did not record the installations. And he himself followed the order.
                1. 22rus
                  22rus 9 December 2012 14: 00
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                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  mobilization order is the summons.

                  No. These are completely different documents.
                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  a bunch is not 1.000.000 (watch what you write) For 1 million = evidence.

                  According to the German command and estimates of Russian historians, the total number of representatives of the peoples of the USSR (within 1941) who were members of the armed forces on the German side (Wehrmacht, SS troops, police) was: Russians - more than 300 thousand, Ukrainians - 250 thousand, Belarusians - 70 thousand, Cossacks - 70 thousand, Latvians - 150 thousand, Estonians - 90 thousand, Lithuanians - 50 thousand, the peoples of Central Asia - approx. 70 thousand, the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia - up to 115 thousand, other nations - approx. 30 thousand (only about 1200 thousand people)
                  (C) Gareev M.A. On the numbers of old and new // Military Historical Journal 1991. No. 4. P. 49.

                  Quote: nick 1 and 2
                  Stalin could not allow

                  Stalin did not sign award documents.
                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 9 December 2012 15: 57
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                    Dear friend, come back to your planet. We were very glad to see you.
  10. danigrom
    danigrom 8 December 2012 16: 02
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    I agree with the author. All will be their heroes and patriots
  11. Pelican
    Pelican 8 December 2012 16: 13
    +2
    In the battle for the Caucasus, national formations often did not shine with valor. There are many memories on this subject.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 8 December 2012 22: 40
      +3
      This was noticed back in tsarist Russia, while the Russians were at war and other nationalities were fighting no worse, however, if the Russians were few, the strength of the unit fell sharply. With a decrease in the number of Russians below a certain percentage (I do not remember the number), the unit was to be withdrawn to the rear for reformation.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 20: 57
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        It is interesting to compare the references to Soviet divisions in foreign sources and ours. For example, here is an excerpt from the book "Stalingrad" by the English historian Anthony Beevor (Anthony):
        “The political departments liked to talk about the multinational composition of the Red Army. And indeed, almost half of the 62nd Army, for example, were non-Russian fighters. Gradually propaganda stopped focusing on this. A lot of trouble was brought about by immigrants from Central Asia. One lieutenant, the commander of a machine gun company, reported: "They hardly understand Russian speech. It is very difficult to work with them. "Unfamiliar with modern military equipment, Asians were simply shocked by the air strikes. Not knowing the language made it difficult to communicate. The soldiers did not understand the commanders and their orders. Often this led to large losses that could have been avoided. 196 Rifle Divisionconsisting mainly of Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Tatars, suffered such heavy losses that it was removed from the front and sent to re-form. "

        Thus, there is a feeling that the soldiers who did not understand the Russian language fought so badly that they had to send it to the rear ...
        Hmm, apparently, the British did not dig deep into this division - the 196th division really had language problems, the vast majority of the division (some of its divisions were 80%) consisted of Kazakhs from Western Kazakhstan and the Orenburg region, while the officers were exclusively Slavs. It is also true that the division suffered heavy losses and it had to retreat on the orders of the army headquarters - 500 people remained from the division, 200 of them were commanding and commanding personnel.

        However, the division was not only not punished for its "bad" ability to fight, but on the contrary - according to the submission signed by the commander of the 62nd Army, Lieutenant General V.I. Chuikov and a member of the Military Council, Major General K.A. Gurov, the division was awarded the Order of the Red Banner for its perseverance and courage.

        The fact is that the "inattentive" English historian E. Bivor, noting that the Soviet division did not understand the language of the commanders and, indirectly linking this fact with its losses, "forgot" to add that only one 196th Infantry Division (together with a separate anti-tank regiment and a separate tank battalion of 40 tanks, half of which are small items of the T-60 type) managed not only to withstand the Stalingrad battles with several German divisions, but also to inflict serious defeats on the 20th, 76th, 100th, 296th 376st, 16th infantry and XNUMXth tank divisions of the enemy.

        So, before you pick up the noise about the relationship between the combat effectiveness of the unit and the number of Russian soldiers in it, you could read about the national units.
        1. Beck
          Beck 10 December 2012 18: 49
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          Add.

          War correspondent, future writer, V. Grossman was in the city itself throughout the Battle of Stalingrad. He wrote about the battle itself. After the war, he wrote the story "Stalingrad Sketches" where he described the exploits of Soviet soldiers. I read this story a long time ago. Now, taking into account Marek's comments, I can compare that the episode that I remember could concern exactly the 196th division.

          Grossman. "Stalingrad Essays" (From memory). A Kazakh soldier led two captured fascists from the front line to the headquarters. A Kazakh mine exploded nearby and wounded. Fearing that he might lose consciousness and the Nazis flee, the soldier killed the prisoners. Actually, that's how it should be. And it seems like nothing beyond the ordinary. But I was struck by one circumstance that probably struck Grossman as well, and therefore he included this episode in the book. The escorting soldier could not be without firearms. And he killed the Nazis not with a rifle. And with a knife he cut the throats of both fascists. Slaughtered like rams. Asian. This is how much hatred one should have towards the enemy.

          I still have words in my ears that could be uttered by a Kazakh warrior with a knife. - At the albasty. Me Sagan. Senin aken auzga segein - U prik .. rok. On you. I had your father in his mouth. Something like this.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 11 December 2012 01: 32
            -1
            Dұrys aytasyң, zherles! A fascist stands near the border with his native Kazakh land (although the Stalingrad steppe is already in fact the Kazakh land itself) - it means that you need to cut it, it’s small, like sheep. Olar Adam Emes, Katal Jau Eken. Torғai ekesh torғai yes өz ұясын қорғайды (even a sparrow protects its nest). What can we say about people? My father always joked that Kazakhs come to Europe every 700 years to let the locals erupt, starting with the Huns and Horde and ending with his father. It will be necessary - for the fourth time we will reach the Last Sea in order to screw up those who have forgotten.
            And so the Kazakhs, of course, are a friendly, tolerant nation :))) When no one shows off more measures :)
            This, of course, is not particularly important, biraқ ruyң kandai? қai peru turasy ң if not a secret?
  12. George
    George 8 December 2012 17: 02
    +3
    Well, maybe Stalin’s words: One needs to be a very brave man to be a coward in the Red Army, and they didn’t arise from scratch, but patriotism and zeal were more than enough. The main thing is that heroism was a mass phenomenon. Around 300 of Soviet soldiers performed a feat similar to that of A. Matrosov. Almost everyone received the honorary title of Hero of the Soviet Union.
    And there are quite a few people of non-Slavic nationality.
  13. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 8 December 2012 17: 45
    +1
    The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded for a perfect feat, and not for nationality. But the total number of Heroes of the Soviet Union of one or another nationality, all the same, speaks of one or another nationality.

    In my opinion, the author draws strange conclusions about the heroic nationality itself - “The Laks proved to be the most heroic, who rank first in terms of the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union in the percentage of Heroes per capita of this nationality. Including the Lak people glorified the pilot twice Hero of the Soviet Union Ahmet-Khan Sultan, ... "

    Look at the list of Heroes of the Soviet Union on any site - there are no Laks in the list with more than 2 GSS, and the pilot twice Hero of the Soviet Union Ahmet-Khan Sultan is listed as a Crimean Tatar, because he was born and raised in Crimea and had a mother of this nationality.
    There are several SCAC lists in which post-war awards and minor nationalities (who have 1 Hero of the Soviet Union) may not be taken into account, which does not make much sense to take into account, since in the statistics of a "heroic" nation, their accounting will not be correct. Here are these lists of Heroes of the Soviet Union:
    1 list 2 list 3 list
    Ossetians 11446 11088 11088
    Russian 12452 12172 12205
    Ukrainians 13909 13567 13587
    Adyghe 14686 14686 14686
    Abkhazians 14751 11801 11801
    Kalmyks 16800 16800 16800
    Belarusians 17643 16963 17072
    Bashkirs 22201 21632 21632
    Mordvinians 23116 23874 23874
    Armenians 24189 23921 23921
    Georgians 24996 24721 24996
    Mari 26755 26755 26755
    Tatars 26792 26792 26792
    Kabardins 27364 23455 23455
    Jews 28304 28042 29121
    Chuvashs 30435 31127 31127
    Karelian 31590 28080 31590
    Kazakhs 32302 32302 32302
    Crimean Tatars 36363 - -
    Komi 42232 42232 -
    Turkmens 50775 45134 45134
    Azerbaijanis 52923 52923 52923
    Udmurts 60633 60633 60633
    Uzbeks 72316 70219 70219
    Kyrgyz 73718 73718 73718
    Tajiks 81945 87798 87798
    Chechens 101992 - -
    Estonians 109846 109846 109846
    Latvians 116628 107657 107657
    Yakuts 121040 80693 80693
    Moldavians 130209 130209 130209
    Lithuanians 155073 155073 155073
    The indicated number is the number of fellow tribesmen, which falls on 1 Hero of the Soviet Union. Accordingly, the smaller the number, the more Heroes.
    The data was taken from the site http://samoljot.livejournal.com/47907.html.
    Complete, if anyone has the material.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 8 December 2012 18: 54
      +2
      vladimirZ

      Quote: vladimirZ
      The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded for a perfect feat, and not for nationality.


      so precisely, the author of the article wanted to show that all the peoples of the USSR, regardless of nationality, came to the defense of the Motherland and today's ethnic hatred is savagery and regression.

      Quote: vladimirZ
      But the total number of Heroes of the Soviet Union of one or another nationality, all the same, speaks of one or another nationality.


      no, not saying.
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 8 December 2012 19: 33
        +2
        Quote: Karlsonn
        no, not saying.

        I agree. Not all exploits became known, not all were awarded fairly, therefore, I believe that it is wrong to draw conclusions on these figures.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 8 December 2012 21: 21
          +1
          Lakkuchu
          I shake hands firmly, it’s enough to remember how they awarded in 1941 all those who died on the border, in encirclements, in partisan detachments, and so on, to understand how small a part of the people who showed heroism we know, and those whom the awards were circumvented for various reasons - - all this makes the analysis of which of the peoples of the USSR more heroic on the basis of the awards awarded very doubtful.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 01: 54
      -3
      In Soviet times, it was believed that the Kazakhs awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union for their exploits during the Second World War - 96 people. Now this figure has grown. The fact is that some were mistakenly recorded under other nationalities - General Sabir Rakhimov for some reason turned out to be an "Uzbek", pilot Plis Nurpeisov was recorded as "Karakalpak", Panfilov's resident Baurzhan Momysh-uly never had a chance to see the hero's stars, he was awarded posthumously by decree Gorbachev, a minute before the collapse of the USSR, the aircraft gunner Beysekbaev (who, together with Maslov's crew, crashed into an enemy column) was only posthumously awarded the Golden Star a few years ago. The hero of the Soviet Union, Rasul Isetov, is also listed as an "Uzbek", despite the fact that he died only three years ago and always called himself exclusively Kazakh.
      Some do not even understand why they were left without an award - the Russian Ministry of Defense officially recognized that the first Red Banner on the Reichstag was established by Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev and Grigory Bulatov, but they refuse to give the title of Hero of Russia, they say that they were simply awarded orders for this. Kassym Kaisenov was the first with his fighters to force the Dnieper, but he was denied the title of Hero. The pilot Hiuaz Dospanova also for some reason was left without a rank, although she shot down more than enough enemy aircraft. Also, the pilots Baitursyn Yeserkenov, Kades Imashev, Toleubay Tazhiev were left without awards. Kenzhebay Madenov was the first to hoist the Red Banner on the building of the Berlin City Hall (City Hall). Sniper Ibraim Suleimenov officially destroyed 289 Fritz, also was left without a Golden Star.
      And this is just offhand. Many were presented for the award several times - and all the same, somewhere up there, the performances were “wrapped up”.
  14. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 8 December 2012 19: 11
    +2
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Look at the list of Heroes of the Soviet Union on any site - there are no Laks in the list with more than 2 GSS, and the pilot twice Hero of the Soviet Union Ahmet-Khan Sultan is listed as a Crimean Tatar, because he was born and raised in Crimea and had a mother of this nationality.

    Amet-Khan’s father, Sultan’s father, the Crimean Tatar’s mother, recorded him as Crimean Tatar, but as most people know, his nationality is determined by his father, in any case, the blood of the Lak people flows in him and it means that Laks have every right to consider him their hero, however the same Crimean Tatars also have a right.
    We look at the last census before the Great Patriotic War of 1939:
    laks - 56054, heroes - 5
    total - 11210.
    Laks are the heroes of the Soviet Union - Amet-Khan Sultan, Buganov Gadzhi Osmanovich, Suleymanov Yakub Magomed-Alievich, Suleymanov Rizvan Bashirovich, Makayev Tsakhai Makasharipovich.
  15. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 December 2012 19: 49
    +9
    who wants to divide us is the enemy, who contributes to this is a fool, and who fought for the country is a hero.
  16. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 8 December 2012 19: 49
    +4
    Sorry, the Laks of 6 heroes forgot about Ramadan Kuznetsov. Then we get other numbers 1 hero for 9342 people. By the way, another interesting point, though not related to the topic, in the USSR, in percentage terms per capita, Laks again took the first place in terms of the number of scientists.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 8 December 2012 21: 33
      +5
      Lakkuchu

      but I don’t care how many and who had the Heroes of the USSR, for me all the Heroes who fought, regardless of nationality. To divide them into friends and foes, I consider - blasphemy.

      on the picture:

      Soviet sniper, drilled by Radna Ayusheev from the 63th Marine Brigade.
  17. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 8 December 2012 21: 43
    +2


    Years, decades pass, the mothers and wives of the dead or missing soldiers of the most bloody war of two systems pass away: the adherents of death and the guardians of life. But the memory of the soldier is passed down from generation to generation, from children to grandchildren.
    Radna Ayusheev was born in 1922 in Buryatia in the village of Inzagatuy, Dzhida district. The family of peasants Buda and Badma-Dari Ayusheeva had 11 children, including three boys. The youngest was Radna. As a good hunter, his father taught his sons and nephews to do this. The vigilant guys mastered the hunt so much that they shot squirrels on the fly, getting into the eye, and the skins did not spoil. Unfortunately, we are not aware of their other hobbies, which could be told by a cousin of Radna Ayusheev Tsyrenzhap Bazarovich, a constant participant in all the events, but in 1999 he was gone.
    A shy young man until 18 years did not meet the girl of his dreams and, not having time to marry, in 1940 was called up for active service in the Far East. Laconic Radna was not a fan of writing letters, and even his parents learned from his fellow countryman, who accidentally met his fellow villager in the train at the station Dzhida, even about writing letters, and even about his move from the Far East to the west. Once in the Northern Fleet, the former taiga hunter became a sniper.

    Marines snipers are people of a special warehouse. They must combine outstanding shooting accuracy, the ability to read traces, the innate ability to camouflage, unlimited patience and endurance, the ability to stay for a long time without movement, tracking the enemy. It was especially difficult on a white endless day on bare hills, where there was not even a hint of shelter. In the summer they were harassed by gnats and mosquitoes, in the winter crazy winds and forty-degree frost penetrated, and the enemy should perceive them as a stone.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 8 December 2012 21: 44
      +4
      A modest guy, with a lively, energetic face, who stood out among his comrades, in September 1942 of the year attracted the attention of the photo correspondent of the Krasnoflotets newspaper, the head of the photo bureau of the Northern Fleet Political Administration, Robert Diament. Carrying out the next editorial assignment, he met him among the defenders of the Rybachy Peninsula. The professional flair did not fail the reporter this time either. The combat successes of the Buryat sniper were confirmed in the October battles of 1944 in the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation, where he destroyed the 25 Nazis. Photos of a sniper are often exhibited at exhibitions, are on display at leading museums in Russia and abroad, have become the basis of posters.
      Letters came home rarely, the last was received in 1944, it contained a photograph taken by my father, who always found the opportunity to transfer photographs to those whom he took. My father understood how expensive these news are home. Pictured Radna with a rifle in her hands. Photography always stood in the mother’s house in a prominent place next to the deity. After this letter, mother did not receive any news from Radna, there was no funeral, and everyone was waiting for him, hoping that he was alive and would return soon. However, the further fate of the missing soldier is still covered in darkness. His traces were lost. By this time, the woman received a funeral for her husband and eldest son, and until her death her mother’s heart did not want to put up with the loss of the youngest. After the death of Badma-Dari, the photograph enclosed in the letter was propagated and distributed to all relatives.
      In the 1979 year, it seemed to relatives that Radna flashed in the frame of the film relating to October 1944 of the year, standing on a boat, but there is no documentary evidence for this yet.
      In their native village, Radnu Ayusheev was not forgotten. One of the streets was given a name in honor of a sniper, in the school museum, schoolchildren organized a stand about the famous fellow countryman, classes and pioneer squads fought for the honor of being called by his name.
      The author thanks for the consultation in the preparation of the article:
      Bair Etagorov (director of rb-info.ru),
      Inga Ayusheeva (granddaughter of Radna Ayusheeva),
      Svetlana Popova (journalist of the Republican newspaper Inform Policy)
  18. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 8 December 2012 22: 09
    0
    I do not like such articles with an emphasis on nationality ...
    By the way, Amet-Khan Sultan was a Crimean Tatar ...
    It is possible that in other cases it was confused - in principle, everyone was Soviet people, but many still get offended ...
    1. 22rus
      22rus 8 December 2012 22: 37
      -1
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      I do not like such articles with an emphasis on nationality ...

      Well, even if you raise the national question on the theme of the Second World War, so in the context of undeserved discrimination against Soviet ethnic Germans. There really were problems and excesses and resentment.
      Just not very, this topic fits into the cheers-patriotic outline of the article.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 9 December 2012 00: 10
        +2
        22rus

        Quote: 22rus
        Well, if you raise the national question on the theme of the Second World War


        WHAT FOR???
        1. 22rus
          22rus 9 December 2012 07: 27
          0
          Quote: Karlsonn
          WHAT FOR???

          What's again??
          Carlson, stop fooling around ...
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 9 December 2012 16: 07
            0
            22rus
            answer truth:
            - Are you really fooling around and trolling? or are you really short-sighted?
      2. Beck
        Beck 9 December 2012 12: 39
        0
        Quote: 22rus
        Well, even if you raise the national question on the theme of the Second World War, so in the context of undeserved discrimination against Soviet ethnic Germans. There really were problems and excesses and resentments. Only this topic does not fit very well into the cheers-patriotic outline of the article.


        I am not a supporter of the Stalinist migrations of peoples. But, here with the Volga Germans I have a dual relationship. On the one hand, I talked a lot with them. People as a people. Two differences: very neat and very hardworking. On the other hand, it was probably impossible to leave them in the Volga region in 1942.

        In Ukraine, there is evidence that some German villages met the Wehrmacht troops with kleb, salt. And if under Stalingrad this happened, and not only with bread and salt. Of course, there could have been nothing. But who could know for sure? And Stalingrad in 1942 is the edge of the whole war. It is good that we crossed this line, and not the Nazis.

        The fairest thing would be to return all Germans, after the war, again to the Volga region, to their homeland. Then there would be no omissions.
        1. 22rus
          22rus 9 December 2012 14: 21
          0
          Quote: Beck
          In Ukraine, there is evidence that some German villages met the Wehrmacht troops with kleb, salt. And if under Stalingrad this happened, and not only with bread and salt.

          There are other facts. But for some reason, the Ukrainians remained in Ukraine ...

          1. Beck
            Beck 9 December 2012 14: 58
            -1
            Rusu.

            I do not condone. I am far from an excuse. Just a dual state.
            I repeat. If they were taken out, for justice, after the war it was necessary to let the Germans back into the Volga region. And do not leave in the steppes of Kazakhstan.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 9 December 2012 16: 17
              +1
              and soft buns to give.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 9 December 2012 16: 16
            +2
            22rus
            Dear friend, are you a troll or just pretending to be an idiot?
            Where do you finally live?
            Do you know about Babi Yar? about the White Church? Kharkov?
            22rus --- if you do not rummage in history, if you climb?
            1. 22rus
              22rus 9 December 2012 17: 08
              -2
              Quote: Karlsonn
              Dear friend, are you a troll or just pretending to be an idiot?

              Scientific experiment.

              Quote: Karlsonn
              Do you know about Babi Yar? about the White Church? Kharkov?

              I know. I know a lot of things. For example, that in the Great Patriotic War for each Hero there were more than a dozen executed traitors.
              This is such heroism without national borders.
          3. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 13 December 2012 09: 31
            +1
            And this is far from a secret! Western Ukraine and Belarus (and not only), greeted the Wehrmacht with bread and salt ........... Teaching in schools in their native language and other handouts were allowed in order to show that the purpose of the attack is "liberation from the bloody Stalinist regime "...................... But this euphoria quickly ended with the beginning of repression and the hijacking of residents to Germany for work ...
            I have a mother-in-law from Western Belarus, from Grodno, remembers this time well .....
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 9 December 2012 16: 11
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          I am not a supporter of the Stalinist migrations of peoples.

          I am a supporter.

          Quote: Beck
          . Two differences: very neat and very hardworking.

          very hardworking and machine guns in the attic.

          Quote: Beck
          In Ukraine, there is evidence that some German villages met the Wehrmacht troops with kleb, salt. BUT

          hammer in the search - Babi Yar, you will understand everything at once.


          Quote: Beck
          The fairest thing would be to return all Germans, after the war, again to the Volga region, to their homeland. Then there would be no omissions.


          on a fig?
          1. Beck
            Beck 10 December 2012 19: 25
            -1
            To the advocate of relocation.

            “The first victims of Soviet deportations were the Cossacks of the Terek region, who in 1920 were evicted from their homes and sent to other areas of the North Caucasus, Donbass, and the Far North, and their land was transferred to the Chechens and Ingush. In 1921, victims of the Soviet ethnic policy became Russians from Semirechye, evicted from the Turkestan region. "

            "The deportation of Koreans was the first of the targeted repressions based on ethnicity, and therefore the most unprepared; the export of Koreans by the NKVD took place using boxcars without amenities, which led to a mass of victims along the way."

            The deportation of Chechens and Ingush was mainly carried out due to the fact that some elder descending from the mountains gave the German commander of the white horse battalion as a gift to Hitler. And why it was necessary to resettle in 1944, and not in 1942. Here the Germans of the Volga region were evicted in advance. And where did the data come about, about the Volga Germans machine guns. In total, about 23 nations were deported. And this is not good. Not good at all.

            If we follow the logic of deportation, then 90% of the European population of the USSR would have to be sent to the Far East.
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 11 December 2012 02: 09
              0
              IMHO, the Germans were resettled correctly. The Germans who lived in the western part of the USSR all quickly hit the road to Germany, only in 1945 they were forced to return back under escort. There was a theoretical probability that the Volga Germans would assist the Wehrmacht. Moreover, in 1914, ethnic Germans often sabotaged the rear in favor of the German army, one Rennenkampf and the explosion of the battleship "Empress Maria" are worth a lot (although, it should be noted, many ethnic Germans faithfully served in the Russian army in that war) ... But the Germans really had to be reinstated immediately after the war and sent home to the rehabilitated Volga Republic, and not further spread rot. That would be fair. And even more so not to whip up the garbage with the German ASSR in Tselinograd in 1979. But what's done is done. Everything that the Kazakhs could give to the exiled Germans was given. And shelter in the steppe, and a piece of bread in the literal sense. As well as the Vainakhs, Koreans, "unreliable" Russians, Poles, Balts, Turks, Kurds and other millions of people who were thrown into the Steppe from the cars.
              My father, by the way, during the first Chechen war was the battalion of the Orenburg OMON battalion. When two veterans were taken prisoner by Nokhchi, my father personally went to the nearest aul to the elders and made the soldiers return, motivating "the Kazakhs saved you in the winter of 44, now return the debt in the person of two boys." The soldier was delivered that evening. Although the Vainakhs are more show-off than the Kazaktars, they know how to be grateful. For which I respect them.
              By the way, did you watch "A Gift to Stalin"? The first time I watched it at home with a Jewish woman and a Korean. Both burst into tears, it turns out, both her and his ancestors ended up in Kazakhstan due to deportation. And they survived thanks to the aul Cossacks. The Koreans made a film "Zheruiyk" about those times, though I haven't watched it yet.
              In South Korea, I had a joke - I lived in a room with a Pole, we drink water, I tell him that I have a close friend in Astana - an ethnic Pole. Comrade ofigel and grit, they say, where are the Poles in KZ? I immediately call Vovka's hundred square meters and ask him to say something in Polish. Vovka does not know Polish, but he uttered some phrases. My drinking companion Tomasz went nuts. We continue to drink. A Czech comes into the room (we had an international brigade :)), the Pole tells him that he had just talked to a Pole from Kazakhstan. Here I am talking to a Czech, do you want to talk to the Czechs from KZ? The Czech does not believe, I call Katerina, who is absolutely Russified, but according to her passport she is Czech. They didn’t speak Czech, but firmly told the Czech that she was Czech. Both Europeans are crazy. Here comes the Korean, who supervised us. A Pole and a Czech vied with each other to tell him that there are Poles and Czechs in Kazakhstan. The Korean smiles and says to them: "There are also dofig Koreans in Kazakhstan, so I'm not surprised at anything" :)))
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 December 2012 22: 53
      +2
      My opinion in that war, as in all other wars, was born a community of people called-RUSSIAN SOLDIER,
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 8 December 2012 23: 00
        +2
        .................................................. ..............................
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 9 December 2012 00: 29
          +3
          Alex 241 hi

          Greetings friend drinks , I will take the impudence and comment on the photo that you posted; so in the photo:

          Soviet soldiers on the embankment of the Sungari River in Harbin. The city occupied by the Japanese was liberated by Soviet troops on 20 on August 1945 of the year.
          It is worth paying attention to:
          - the central hero was awarded - three orders of "Glory", two orders of "Red Star" I can't make out the rest, but it looks like there is also a medal "For Courage", taking into account the fact that these are guardsmen and on the back right (a fighter photogenically holding a cigarette) is armed MP, I dare to suggest that these warriors did not fight sickly in Germany.
    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 9 December 2012 09: 53
      -1
      Brother Sarych "By the way, Amet-Khan Sultan was a Crimean Tatar ..." And his mother was a mountain woman from Dagestan. I don’t remember where I read it. This is me, in addition ...
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 9 December 2012 18: 17
        -1
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Brother Sarych "By the way, Amet-Khan Sultan was a Crimean Tatar ..." And his mother was a mountain woman from Dagestan.

        Quote: Brother Sarich
        I do not like such articles with an emphasis on nationality ...
        By the way, Amet-Khan Sultan was a Crimean Tatar ...

        The father of the future ace - Sultan Ametkhan, a native of the mountain Dagestan village of Tsovkra, was a Lak ethnic. He came to Crimea to earn money, but he stayed to live in Alupka. Married to the Crimean Tatar Nasib. The first son was named in honor of his father Ametkhan. Read the biography to whom it is interesting everything is indicated there.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 13 December 2012 09: 20
          -1
          Lakkuchu "The father of the future ace - Sultan Ametkhan, a native of the mountainous Dagestan aul of Tsovkra, was a Lak by nationality. He came to Crimea to work and stayed to live in Alupka. He married the Crimean Tatar woman Nasiba." Mom and dad got mixed up in places. It's nothing. At least the nationality was indicated exactly. And so if you take what's the difference what nationality he is - the main thing is-HERO- TWICE HERO !!!
        2. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 13 December 2012 09: 35
          -1
          I agree with you completely ..... Probably half of the heroes of the Union of submariners were .... Jews, (Fisanovich for example) .......... Hero Magomed Gadzhiev-Dagestan
    4. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 9 December 2012 16: 03
      +1
      Brother Sarych
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      I do not like such articles with an emphasis on nationality ...


      only degenerates like these articles.

      Quote: Brother Sarich
      By the way, Amet-Khan Sultan was a Crimean Tatar ...

      Well, figs from that? I'm damn --- Atlantis, what do you want to do with me?

      Quote: Brother Sarich
      in principle, all were Soviet people

      yeah, some need to give a hammer to the head to get it.

      Quote: Brother Sarich
      but many are still offended ...

      well and figs? offended, carry water.
  19. Alex 241
    Alex 241 9 December 2012 00: 51
    +1
    As usual there is nothing to add! +5 good drinks

    ......... well, and as a summary soldier
  20. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 02: 10
    +2

    Komsomol card of the deceased Red Army soldier Kazakh Nurmakhanov under number 20405684 with the entry on the pages "I will die but not a step back." 3rd Belorussian Front.
    On Kola, in the valley in front of the Western Lyceum, there are 2 columns with inscriptions from the letters (or notes) of the fallen Red Army soldiers - "The Germans killed me on 28.7.43. Avenge me and all the dead", "Farewell to the white world. Farewell to my dear country", " My life ended in a battle for universal human happiness "and in that spirit ...

    Well, why should such fighters be afraid of responsibility for failure to appear at the recruiting station? People knew why they were going to the front, and therefore they were not afraid of death, let alone prison for cowardice. Kazakh women say: "It is better to be the widow of a hero than the wife of a coward."
    And from childhood I remember photographs of inscriptions from the Brest Fortress, Adzhimushkay catacombs, where people died, but did not give up. And now the western regular throwing of g_vna onto the fan of many and ours convinced that the Soviet soldiers went into battle solely because of the fear incited by the NKVD.
  21. Alex 241
    Alex 241 9 December 2012 02: 16
    +4
    In the spring and summer of this year, a search battalion of the Ministry of Defense carried out excavations on the territory of the Brest Fortress. The event itself is not ordinary, because since the construction of the memorial, large-scale search work in the Citadel of Glory itself has been rather rare. Concrete sculptures, a monumental bayonet, a necropolis, eternal flame and tiles in the ceremonial square covered the history of ancient Brest and the wartime fortress with a dense ideological sarcophagus. Over the years of polishing the history of defense, the fortress turned into a ritual altar, to which, for various reasons, periodically lay wreaths and flowers. Of course, the dates and facts driven into this monolith today are very difficult to question, even if we talk about obvious things. One of these topics is the true number of dead Red Army soldiers in the fortress. A number of researchers insist that in fact, during the defense, a much larger number of defenders folded their heads than the official data says. A year ago, the rarest evidence of this hypothesis appeared on the Internet, thanks to which military search engines arrived in the fortress. However, things have not moved forward.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 9 December 2012 03: 05
      +5
      Alex 241
      once again forgive me, I can’t resist - it’s been a very long time that the memory of the Chekists was mud angry am
      “I am dying, but I am not giving up! Farewell, Motherland ”- an inscription made by an unknown defender of the fortress, a fighter of the 132 th separate battalion of escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR, one of the four divisions of the NKVD troops that were stationed in the fortress, in addition to the garrison and the rest of the military branches.
      To my shame, I add the following:
      ... In 1992, the phrase ("I am dying, but I do not give up ...") was repeated in his dying letter by a participant in the defense of the Brest Fortress Timeryan Khabulovich Zinatov. According to a museum researcher, Zinatov served as a cadet, was wounded in the first days of the defense, was captured on June 30, escaped from a German concentration camp, ending the war in the army. For participation in the defense, he was awarded the Order of the Patriotic War, II degree. After the war, Zinatov came to the fortress every year. In September 1992, after visiting the fortress, Zinatov threw himself under a train, leaving a letter with a message to the "Yeltsin-Gaidar government", in which he wrote: "... I want to die standing, than on my knees ask for a beggarly allowance to continue my old age and hold out to the grave with an extended hand! <...> We were heroes, but we are dying in poverty! Be healthy, do not grieve for one Tatar who protests one for all: "I am dying, but I do not give up. Farewell, Motherland!" Monuments from the Brest City Executive Committee and from the government and veterans of Tatarstan were erected on Zinatov's grave ...
  22. Alex 241
    Alex 241 9 December 2012 03: 27
    +4
    With your permission, I will continue: The first blow of the German troops 22.06.41/47/6. 9 land, 30 naval border detachments, 4 separate border commandants of the NKVD of the USSR took over the western border of the Soviet Union from the Barents to the Black Seas. The Hitler command in their plans allotted only 132 minutes to destroy the border outposts. But the border guards stood and fought to death for days, weeks. One of the first, the head of the border post, a graduate of the Saratov XNUMXth School of Border Guard and OGPU troops, Lopatin was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Now the Saratov Red Banner Higher Command School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky. Let us recall the feat of the Red Army men and commanders of the XNUMXnd separate battalion of the NKVD escort troops fighting in the Brest Fortress.

    In the first months of the war, the NKVD troops actually performed unusual functions, performed the tasks of the Red Army, and fought with the German troops as motorized rifle units of the Red Army. As the fighting showed, the personnel of the troops from the Red Army to the senior commander were better prepared than in the units of the Red Army on the western border of the USSR.
    An example of this is the combat route of the 22nd Motorized Rifle Division of the NKVD troops. In June-July, the division covered up the withdrawal of the Red Army units from the Baltic states, and subsequently, due to the losses incurred, it was transformed into a regiment and took part in the defense of the city of Tallinn.
    Defense of Stalingrad. The first blow took upon itself and restrained the onslaught of the enemy until the Red Army divisions approached the 10th Rifle Division of the Internal Troops of the NKVD of the USSR. The wars of the 41st separate brigade of the NKVD escort troops and other units formed from military personnel of the air and military forces, as well as police officers, firefighters and other departments structurally part of the NKVD took part in the defense of Leningrad and the protection of law and order.

    Collective snapshot of active fighters-saboteurs of the 88 Fighter Battalion of the NKVD of the city of Moscow and the Moscow Region - special schools of demolitions of the NKVD of the city of Moscow and the Moscow Region. In the autumn of 1943, all of them were transferred to the Special Forces of the NKVD Troops Directorate for Western Front Logistics, and on March 6, 1944, most of them joined the ranks of the secret officers of the Intelligence Division of the Western Headquarters (24 on April 1944 of the 3 of the Belorussian Front). Many have not returned from a front-line business trip to East Prussia.

    The archival data and facts refute the “black myth” that has been widely used to the effect that the NKVD and SMERSH wrote down all of them to the “enemies of the people” without dismantling the former prisoners, and then shot them or sent them to the GULAG. Thus, in A.V. Mezhenko he cited interesting data in the article “Prisoners of War Returning to the System ...” (Military History Magazine. 1997, No. XXUMX). Between October 5 and March 1941, 1944 people got into special camps for ex-prisoners of war. Of these: 317594 (223281%) was checked and sent to the Red Army; 70,3 (4337%) - to the convoy troops of the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs; 1,4 (5716%) - to the defense industry; 1,8 (1529%) departed to hospitals, 0,5 (1799%) died. In assault (penalty) units sent 0,6 (8255%). It should be noted that, contrary to the speculations of the falsifiers, the level of losses in the fines was quite comparable with the usual units. 2,6 (11283%) was arrested. For the remaining 3,5 (61394%) verification continued.



    A platoon of intelligence 338 of the NKVD regiment. Photos from the family archive of Nikolai Ivanovich Lobakhin. Nikolai Ivanovich at the front from the first days of the war, 2 times was in the penal battalion, had several wounds. After the war, as part of the troops of the NKVD eliminated bandits in the Baltic States and Ukraine.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 9 December 2012 04: 30
      +2
      Alex 241
      and again I will join:
      Quote: Alex 241
      Archival data and facts refute the widely launched “black myth” that the NKVD and SMERSH indiscriminately recorded all former prisoners as “enemies of the people”, and then shot or sent to the Gulag.

      my grandfather, a professional soldier, a paratrooper, was supposed to go on demobilization in 41, but the war made adjustments. Twice he left the encirclement (he did not like to talk about the war), but once he said: “I never dropped my arms and didn’t bury documents, the second time I left - with a rifle and a shmeiser, and this and that without cartridges, all of us then ran out of ammunition, the front line went into melee, almost no one reached their own. My grandfather ended the war in artillery reconnaissance, while capturing Koenigsberg, being seriously wounded at the exit.
      Well, those who pour mud on the Chekists - my fiery greetings!
    2. 22rus
      22rus 9 December 2012 07: 40
      0
      Quote: Alex 241
      The first blow of the German troops 22.06.41/47/6 9 land, XNUMX naval border detachments, XNUMX separate border commandants of the NKVD of the USSR took over the western border of the Soviet Union from the Barents to the Black Seas.

      Well done and heroes!
      But ... one of the first shot in the Great Patriotic War for cowardice and betrayal was a border guard. Corporal of the 25th Border Detachment Antipov defected from the battlefield, but was caught and shot without trial on June 24, 1941.

      Threat Wow now I will earn minus ...
      1. Vbuben2raza
        Vbuben2raza 9 December 2012 15: 38
        +1
        Naimuk, Naimuk ... but on the right side is Samar. And so in each village along the Amur River, and also Kiel ... But mainly Samara. Everyone who could have fought ... And you are 22 rus a typical provocateur ...
  23. Alex 241
    Alex 241 9 December 2012 05: 59
    +1
    .........................
    1. urchik
      urchik 10 December 2012 12: 27
      0
      Taburetkin .... UDC forbade Combat Awards for men
  24. Gavril
    Gavril 9 December 2012 08: 54
    +1
    Shooter of the 467th Infantry Regiment (81st Division, 61st Army, Central Front), Private Fedor Popov, a Yakut by nationality, one of the first in the regiment as part of the squad on October 1, 1943, crossed the Dnieper River near the village of Glushets. His bold actions contributed to overcoming the river by other rifle units of the regiment: in hand-to-hand combat in the enemy’s trench, he destroyed up to 50 enemy soldiers and officers and held the bridgehead until the main forces crossed.
    In the battle of October 11, 1943 he was mortally wounded and died two days later on October 13 from his wounds. He was buried in the village of Glushets of the Gomel region in a mass grave (subsequently, the mass grave was reburied in the village of Derazhichi, Loevsky district of the same region).
    By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of January 15, 1944, for the exemplary performance of command missions on the front of the struggle against Nazi invaders and the courage and heroism shown to them, Red Army soldier Fedor Kudmich was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.
    Glory to the Heroes of the Great War !!!
  25. uhjpysq
    uhjpysq 9 December 2012 16: 42
    0
    it is necessary to look at things more real. Soviet people fought. the civilian age of 17 ended. The counter-revolutionary and simply not loyal element was knocked out, not all of course. so it’s not a matter of nationality. (at that time). but as time goes on the percentage changes, and now their descendants are cutting the Russian throat.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 19: 33
      -1
      When it is necessary, then on the forum they say that it was the "Russians" who built some kind of Baikonur thread, and when it was necessary - then, they say, it was not a matter of nationality - the "Soviet" people fought. it just annoys me, tk. I believe that the Soviet people won the war, and all the citizens of the Soviet Union, and not only "Russians", made a contribution to the country's economy. And it turns out that I was personally reproached here more than once for the fact that the Russians built "baikonurs" for the Kazakhs, and no one is responsible for my executed ancestors.
      And it is also disgusting to read Russian news, where the news is discussed that Moscow decided to name the new metro station "Alma-Atinskaya" in honor of the Kazakhs who defended Moscow in 1941. So much shit rushing that even Zhirinovsky, unloved by Kazakhs, was outraged by the position of Russian Muscovites ... I'm not even talking about the repeated cases of vandalism (dousing with paint) in relation to the Abai monument at Chistye Prudy. Although Abai was a promoter of Russian culture in the Kazakh steppe. How much he talked to Muscovites, no one remembers the Kazakh divisions that fell under the walls of Moscow in November 41. But everyone is convinced that the Kazakhs "owed" the Russians for the Bulgarian alphabet, raw materials factories and Kazakh steppes allegedly donated to the Kazakhs, drenched in centuries-old Kazakh and Dzungarian blood. Strange and annoying logic.
      And the reaction of some members of the forum who do not like the article that talks about the contribution of non-Russians to the Victory is surprising. They say that the nefig should be singled out separately by non-Russians from the Soviet Army. But at the same time, in other topics they raise the topic of how much the Russians made non-Russian. In Russian, it is called sitting on two chairs.
  26. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 9 December 2012 20: 30
    0
    Momysh-ouly Baurjan - commander
    battalion and 1073th (since November 1941 -
    19th Guards) Rifle Regiment 316-
    th, from November 1941 - the 8th Guards
    16th Red Banner Rifle Division
    Army of the Western Front.
    Born December 11 (24), 1910 in the village
    Urak-Balva, now in the Juvaly district
    Dzhambul region of the Republic
    Kazakhstan in a peasant family. Kazakh. AT
    1929 graduated from 9 classes. Worked
    industrial bank economist, secretary
    district executive committee, head of the district
    police instructor of Alma-Ata
    Military Commissariat of the Kazakh SSR.
    In the Red Army from 1932 to 1934 and with
    1936 year. In 1933 he graduated from the regimental
    school.
    In the battles of World War II with
    September 1941 as part of the legendary
    divisions under the command of the general
    Major Panfilov I.V. Member of the CPSU (b) / CPSU with
    1942 year.
    In the post of battalion commander 1073
    Rifle Regiment (316th, from November 1941 - 8-
    I'm Guards Rifle Division, 16th
    Army, Western Front) Senior
    lieutenant Momysh-ula during the defense
    Moscow participated in 27 battles.
    During the second general offensive
    Wehrmacht to Moscow from November 16 to 18, 1941
    Senior Battalion
    Momysh-oly apart from the division
    heroically fought on Volokolamsk
    highway near the village of Matronino. Skillful
    battalion commander allowed for 3 days
    to detain the fascists at this milestone.
    Then the senior lieutenant Momysh-ula
    led the battalion out of encirclement
    combat ready.
    As a commander of the 19th Guards
    Rifle Regiment, November 26-30, 1941
    guard captain Momysh-ula in the area
    Sokolovo village, Moscow region
    with his regiment for four
    days led stubborn battles, successfully repulsing
    enemy attacks. December 5, 1941 B.
    Momysh-uli was wounded, but the battlefield is not
    left. During the battle in the village of Dubrovka
    Moscow region, he was again hard
    wounded and until March 1944 was in
    the hospital. In the same year he graduated from the Courses
    officer enhancements
    at the Military Academy of the General
    headquarters.
    From January 21, 1945, the Guard Colonel
    Baurjan Momysh-uly commanded the 9th
    2nd Guards Rifle Division
    6th Guards Rifle Corps
    Guard Army of the 2nd Baltic
    front. In February - March 1945
    northwest of Priekule station (Lithuania)
    units of a skillfully led division
    broke through three strips of heavily fortified
    enemy defense. As a result
    division offensive was released 15
    settlements applied
    significant damage to the enemy in manpower and
    military equipment.
    For the courage and heroism shown in
    Battle of Moscow Guard Captain
    Baurjan Momysh-uly in 1942 was
    submitted to the title of Hero of the Soviet
    Union, but it was assigned to him only 11
    December 1990 posthumously ...
    After the war, the brave officer continued
    service in the Armed Forces of the USSR. In 1948
    year he graduated from the Military Academy
    General Staff. Since 1950 - senior
    Lecturer at the Military Academy of Logistics and
    supply of the Soviet Army. Since December
    1955 Colonel Momysh-ula - in
    stock. Member of the Union of Writers of the USSR.
    He died on June 10, 1982.
    Awarded the Order of Lenin, 2nd Order
    Red Banner, Orders
    World War 1 degree
    Labor Red Banner, Friendship
    peoples, Red Star, "Badge of Honor",
    medals.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 21: 14
      -3
      Add by Momysh-ula:
      1) Writer Krivitsky he remembers the first time he saw Bauyrzhan Momysh-ula - an exemplary officer, a communist-internationalist: “He loved his Motherland very much, dearly loved Kazakhstan. This peculiar school of steppe rebuff crossed with the Russian military school. Bauyrzhan knew exactly what Moscow was standing in order to defend it, the shrine of all the peoples of the Soviet Union, to die, but not to let the enemy go to Moscow. And his life was dedicated to this in the autumn and winter of 1941-1942. ”

      2) At the headquarters of the Panfilov division he worked Evgeny Kolokolnikov, famous climber, artist. He talked about Bauyrzhan: “During the days of the war, each of us imitated somehow the heroes of the Civil War. This is probably a logical continuity. Bauyrzhan had his own national hero. He got a cloak, a hat, a saber, a spur and a white horse. Often pranced, raced on a soared horse, as it was in the movies. Imitating Chapaev, he himself was a hero, had a Chapaevsky character. That was his essence. Dashing, desperate, fearless, he always romanticized the business he was engaged in. Despite the cavalry attacks, temper, sharpness, it was a romantic nature ... "

      3) George Burkovwho performed the role of General I.V. Panfilov in the movie “Volokolamsk Highway”: “I have always said and will say that Kazakhs defended Moscow ...”

      4) During the second general attack of the Wehrmacht on Moscow from November 16 to 18, 1941, a battalion of senior lieutenant Momysh-ula, heroically in isolation from the division, fought on the Volokolamsk highway near the village of Matronino. The skillful leadership of the battalion commander allowed the Nazis to be detained for 3 days at this line, after which the senior lieutenant Momysh-ula removed the battalion from the encirclement combat-ready.
      According to the recollections of the political instructor Tolstunovawhen the battalion was surrounded, Bauyrzhan Momysh-ula gathered the company commanders, political officers: “We decided to leave the whole battalion. After a heated battle, in which several dozen fascists were destroyed, they went to Volokolamsk. Then suddenly we are met by Major General Comrade Panfilov. He did not believe that our battalion remained alive, believed that he had died completely. And then suddenly a good military unit appeared - with weapons, even guns are available. Panfilov could not stand it, cried. "

      5) The words of the Momysh Uly: “I am not deprived of the attention of my people, and it’s nice. But I have never in my life used this attention with self-interest. It is holy to me. No one will have to blush for Bauyrzhan Momysh-ula when they talk about him in the past tense. ”

      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 9 December 2012 21: 55
        -2
        Hey, halfback DDT! Everyone knows that you hate Kazakhs and excrement with bricks when they are mentioned, but why do you minus Momysh-uly? Is he a non-Soviet person for you, or is it my fault that my post? :) By the way, how did you end up in Tashkent? By chance, your ancestors not from Moscow in the fall of 41 draped there while the Kazakhs went to the West? Only in such a way I can explain all this :))) Well then, I forgive you what to take from you, such as you even in your Tashkent, the monument to the only Uzbek citizen (Kazakh), General Hero of the Soviet Union Sabir Rakhimov, was demolished (and who did not take part in this - that just kept silent). What can we say about respect for heroes from other nations in your case. Less, half-sart. You can make a couple more profiles to spill your hatred. If only in real life others did not bring harm :)))
        And I hope you will no longer write to me, sister_sarych, in a personal letter about bestiality? :)))
  27. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 9 December 2012 21: 54
    0
    Soldier. We want to reflect what a soldier is. Many imagine that
    a soldier is some kind of inanimate, stone creature, heartless cardboard
    person. I do not agree with this. In early 1942, I was forced to write
    a letter to Kazakh writers that our division has its own specificity: in
    it is dominated by fighters of non-Russian nationality. I, as a leader,
    the soldier was forced to turn to these engineers of human souls. You
    engineers, give us spiritual food. I did not want to teach writers, but
    was forced to write this: "The spirit of our soldiers and commanders in the fight
    as strong as granite. Hatred of the sworn enemy burns in the heart of each of
    them, but the soldier’s soul also tends to wear out, the soldier is not a stone,
    not steel, not glass, but a man, an ordinary man with all
    human virtues, feelings and weaknesses inherent in everyone.
    He not only constantly shows courage, courage, heroism, but also in minutes
    weakness and weak-willedness also show mental adversity.
    Many manage to overcome this weakness that has attacked him and take themselves in
    hands, comrade helps others, third commander and political commissar
    encouraged, in a word, are also being repaired, honed, like
    the blade of the combat blade and bayonet for tomorrow's battle, the desired is given
    tempered some weakened in the fire of fighting.
    A fighter is a living person. He is sad about life, about love, he longs for affection and
    tenderness of the beloved, wonderful babble of a little funny little peanut-
    son, curly little daughter - he is a husband, he is a father! "I wrote this because
    that many do not mind considering a soldier as barren, heartless
    creature.
    I must warn you, comrade, that my hand is shaking not because I
    I'm worried, I'm still sick, just got back from the hospital. "He trembles from
    the joys of a feat of arms, the joys of love, the joys of fatherly feelings,
    admires the beauty of nature. Gently loves to breathe in a pleasant aroma
    flowers. Pleasantly feels the warmth of a bright sunny shining day, it with
    lovingly looks into the blue, cloudless sky at night ... "
  28. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 9 December 2012 22: 17
    +2
    Momyshuly: “I call it a spiral because all fights
    Panfilov’s division near Moscow is characterized by the fact that it
    cut the path, bounced to the side and carried away the enemy,
    took him for 10 kilometers, then jerked back to him
    ways, left again. With such maneuvers, enemy forces are sprayed,
    our parts go back to the big again. This, in the true sense of the word,
    exhausting the enemy gave time gain. ”
    Statements:
    “National pride is part of a sense of patriotism
    Soviet man. One who does not respect his nation and is not proud of it (and
    there is something to be proud of than every nation), that unconditional scoundrel and tramp ”
    “To love one’s people does not mean to hate another”
    “Justice rushes slowly, but comes inevitably”
    “Don’t Sell Honor for Bread”
    “They say that in battle there are many accidents; I do not admit it, deny
    there are no coincidences in battle. By chance, every
    slackness, disorganization, rash actions of the officer.
    War is no excuse for her. Everything that happens in battle -
    naturally and subject to certain laws "
    “The commander must not be either recklessly decisive, nor
    judicious without decisiveness. One-sidedness - the vice of the commander "
    “The ideal of battle is to win a battle without losses. The art of battle is winning the battle
    with the least loss ”
    “The most formidable weapon is the soul of a soldier, and the ammunition for it is
    spiritual food "
    “Having entered the fire for the Motherland, you won’t burn”
    “Better to bend under the weight of truth than flutter on the wings of lies”
    "Be able to read the newspaper between the lines"
    Bauyrzhan Momyshuly was an idol for Ernesto Che Guevara, Volokolamsk
    highway ”was one of the favorite books of Commander Che and Fidel Castro [1].
    He is the founder of the military genre in the Kazakh art
    literature.
  29. urchik
    urchik 10 December 2012 12: 25
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    alex 241,
    Quote: Alex 241
    As usual there is nothing to add! +5

    Taburetkin .... UDC forbade Combat Rewards Men to wear.