An emergency meeting was held at NATO headquarters to strengthen air defense amid the failure of the Patriot air defense system in Kyiv

The defeat of the American Patriot anti-aircraft complex, which is part of the Ukrainian air defense system, during yesterday's night missile strike, caused great concern among the NATO leadership. As it turned out, the anti-aircraft complex widely advertised by the Americans does not have all the qualities attributed to it.

While the Americans deny the destruction of the Patriot air defense system by the Russian hypersonic missile "Dagger", an emergency meeting was held at NATO headquarters to discuss the state of air defense of the largest military bases in Slovakia and Poland, used as logistics hubs for the supply of weapons to Ukraine. The thing is that the basis of the air defense of these air bases is precisely the Patriot systems.

According to Turkish sources, the situation is so acute that, given yesterday's failure of the Patriot air defense system, it has already been proposed to strengthen air defense in these areas. From ourselves, we note that the information is not official, so we cannot confirm it. On the other hand, information of this nature is never official; neither the US nor NATO will ever bring up the failure of air defense for general discussion.

Meanwhile, according to Ukrainian sources, yesterday's Russian missile attack not only "damaged" the Patriot air defense system, but also ricocheted on the image of American air defense as a whole. Moreover, in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, wanting to curry favor with the owners, they reported as many as six Russian "Daggers" allegedly shot down by the complex. After this statement and the video of the arrivals spread around the world, hush up history it didn't work anymore. In general, in Kyiv, wanting to please, they overdid it, and now Washington is thinking how to get out of this situation. The best option is to show that the Russians, despite the hit, failed to destroy the entire battery. In the meantime, information on the Patriot air defense system varies, which means that the Pentagon has not come to a consensus.

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[Nexcom]

yes, they’ll lie, they’ll get away with it .... the whole question is - but what about future potential buyers of the Patriot? Are they satisfied with fairy tales? after all, this is the second proser of the Patriot ......

[Orange Bigg]

Following the Javelins, Bayraktars, Khaimars, Zhdams, the Patriots went. Prepare for the storms of Sodom.

[Alex777]

... it was proposed to strengthen air defense in these areas.

A very funny suggestion. And how will they strengthen it?
And what about the positional missile defense system in Poland. Also the dagger does not catch?
Although, of course, the question is rhetorical. As far as I understand they
and BR Iskanders cannot be shot down. Not to mention the daggers.

[Grandfather Mozai]

they cannot bring down the Iskander BR. Not to mention the daggers.

Pkhh, the Poles couldn’t shoot down a rusty, Khokhlyatsky rocket from the S300 ..)

[Shurik70]

While the Americans deny the destruction of the Patriot air defense system by the Russian hypersonic missile "Dagger"

Dagger?
If the Dagger got there, only the pit remained from the air defense system.
And they report that the air defense system is maintainable, but they did not agree that the media should report that the antenna was torn off or only the paint was scratched.
Of course, I understand that agitation and propaganda, but then they must show a photo of a scratched air defense system. And the people of Kiev are smart enough to post a photo of the pit on the Internet.
Most likely, the Geranium flew there. So she really could damage the air defense system so that it remained repairable. Especially if the pencil cases were already empty.
And for the Dagger, you can find fatter targets - a repair plant, for example, a warehouse, a power plant, etc.

[Alex777]

Quote: Shurik70

Most likely, the Geranium flew there.

The explosion was not from Geranium. Credit. And the second one too.

[Shurik70]

So, the pit was left there from the Patriot

[Vrotkompot]

If a pure blank from a dagger fell 20-30 meters away (without a warhead, since there are residential buildings nearby), then simply due to the scattering of debris from kinetic energy, there could well have been a similar effect.

[invisible_man]

In principle, any air defense system can be destroyed even without hypersonic missiles. Reload with the same Shakhidogeran, then hit empty containers and radars (control stations) with a second wave. The latter is the most valuable element of the system.

[Commissar Kitten]

No one will shoot Shahids with Patriots, for this there are anti-aircraft machine guns based on quadruple "maxims". It is difficult to close all objects with them, but especially valuable ones are not a problem.

[invisible_man]

Well, what are the "maxims" at night? You can't see anything, they shoot "on instruments".

[single-n]

I'll tell you a terrible secret - night sights have been invented for 80 years already :))

[invisible_man]

When they can be seen through such scopes, it will be too late :)

[Commissar Kitten]

It is enough that there is enough for the distance of the shot, and the early detection of the radar is able, the consumption of expensive missiles is not required for this.

[invisible_man]

I highly doubt that is enough. If we already use barreled air defense, then something like "Shilok" or "Cheetahs". There is at least a normal detection and tracking complex.

[single-n]

And what prevents you from making a radar, optical sensors, a control computer on one machine and placing target designation on a dozen "carts with a machine gun"? "Normal" air defense works like that. Those machines that show during the operation of air defense are simply self-propelled shipping containers. What forms the basis of the system usually does not get into the frame. The only negative is the low range of machine-gun air defenses.

[isv000]

Quote from invisible_man

Well, what are the "maxims" at night? You can't see anything, they shoot "on instruments".

There you can attach a laser pointer with blue electrical tape!

[isv000]

Quote: Commissar Kitten

No one will shoot Shahids with Patriots, for this there are anti-aircraft machine guns based on quadruple "maxims" ...

You forgot about carts! If you put them on the roofs of high-rise buildings, it will be very convenient to shoot "Daggers"!

[Engineer]

Shohed too noticeable and noisy

I wish they could make it electric, I hope the Persians are already doing it

[flicker]

In principle, any air defense system can be destroyed even without hypersonic missiles.

Absolutely.
But that doesn't seem to be the problem.
And the fact that all the anti-missiles (32 pieces), with which, judging by the rate of fire, they tried to shoot down the Dagger, went into milk.
This scares them more than the loss of some kind of Patriot air defense system.
They still have these patriots but to fix the "fly" for them is a problem.

[uncle Vlad]

Their problem is that it takes a hell of a lot of time to create a new complex, that is, money, but there is no time. They have nothing to offer in their hearts instead of the Patriot. No one, because everyone relied on the USA. In fact, they are now naked. Well, maybe it will be possible to shoot down the AN-2

[isv000]

Quote from invisible_man

Radar (control stations)

Tracking and tracking stations ... Learn the materiel, your mother!

[Black_Messiah]

They will create / purchase dummies of "Patriots", show them from afar. Yes, another indistinct blank will be given out for a downed "dagger". Hamsters rejoice, Omeriga's image has been restored!

[Orange Bigg]

Well, if Klitschko himself takes up the restoration of the image of the Patriots.

[invisible_man]

Only the complex is broken and there is nothing more to shoot down missiles, bragging about it at every turn.

[Uprun]

Shoigu said that Kuev shot down more Daggers than they launched. In this case, the striped ones will believe?

[novel66]

Faith has nothing to do with it, they know exactly what happened

[Commissar Kitten]

The source of The New York Times in the US government says about six downed Daggers. At the same time, NYT writes "confirmed" ("one of the Americans confirmed that Ukraine had downed six Kinzhal missiles"), that is, it is meant not just as a retelling of the words of the Ukrainian side.

[alexoff]

We are waiting for sane evidence, and not just great wins from sources in the Pentagon

[North Caucasus]

The evidence will be when the states leave the outskirts with the gait of a crab. So far they have identified the problem and will try to solve it. There is a test of weapons from different countries. We also suffer losses. Lost as many as four aircraft. So let's see where decisions are made to solve problems faster and more efficiently. The side that quickly solves problems wins!

[Vrotkompot]

Just as we are waiting for evidence from the Moscow Region about the destroyed 5 partriots.

[isv000]

Quote: Commissar Kitten

The source of The New York Times in the US government says about six downed Daggers. At the same time, NYT writes "confirmed" ("one of the Americans confirmed that Ukraine had downed six Kinzhal missiles"), that is, it is meant not just as a retelling of the words of the Ukrainian side.

They need to be invited to the program "Let them talk" ...

[lukash66]

What are they discussing there? Eka news, they turned on the fool, they say this can not be. As if before it was a secret for them.)))) Still, they would shoot zircon at them as a combat training launch. T. s. to confirm characteristics and as a test on patriotic cats.

[alexoff]

No, they will say that the daggers of the daggers are naughty, in a month they will carve a blank in the garage and show it near Klitschko

[Igor Kerenskiy]

carved exactly according to the model of the Dagger that fell in the Stavropol Territory? well let them work

[alexoff]

They will carve it according to the model of the betab, which Klitschko showed.

[alexoff]

They will bring more patriots to protect the patriots

[novel66]

Why a failure? Daggers were made so that it was impossible to intercept them, what they could - they shot down, and then flew in. It seems that x-22 would hardly have been intercepted

[svp67]

that the Russians, despite the hit, failed to destroy the entire battery.

Yes, it is clear that it is impossible to destroy the entire battery with one blow, but that some part of it was damaged, this is already clear ... More proof that there is no "super-duper weapon", there will always be an answer

[paul3390]

Because any software works only as part of a layered system .. If you put the S-400 alone in an open field, they will probably knock it out right away .. In addition, there are a lot of goals for which such complexes are simply unnecessary. Yes, and they themselves need to be covered from unfinished objects. But when everything is in its place, and Shells, and Beeches, and Torahs, and S-400s - from then you can count on an acceptable result. And that is not one hundred percent .. Everyone covers each other, distributing goals among themselves according to priorities.

And here - they piled up the Patriot division - and like we are in the house, the evil wolf will not break through to us .. Well, well ..

[single-n]

So there is not only

Patriot division

. As well as not only "Daggers" attacked. And the air defense of Ukraine quite successfully closed the sky for our aircraft. Moreover, on the territory of the Russian Federation, it manages to bring down 4 sides. What

UNTIL

"daggers" are conditionally not intercepted. But how many of these missiles? Will we be able to release 10-20 per month? That's when our planes will cut over Kiev, then we can talk about the inefficiency of air defense.

[alexoff]

And how many patriot batteries are there on the planet?

[isv000]

Quote: Single-n

"daggers" are conditionally not intercepted. But how many of these missiles? Will we be able to release 10-20 per month? That's when our planes will cut over Kiev, then we can talk about the inefficiency of air defense.

Fill up a couple more Yankee batteries and that's it. You can forget about the image of the Patriots. In general, after the Victory over the Yankees, in the outlying lands, a lot will change in the world. Waiters will line up in front of the Kremlin to pay their respects, so to speak. Everyone will use the dollar as he wants, as the paper is worn, and there will be no queues on the arms markets - Russian factories will be loaded for decades to come ...

[rotmistr60]

According to Turkish sources, the situation is so acute that, given yesterday's failure of the Patriot air defense system, it has already been proposed to strengthen air defense in these areas.

The reliability of the source is of course questionable. But the fact that they will definitely conduct a "debriefing" is for sure, moreover, quietly and without publicity.

[Smoked]

Is there a link to Turkish sources then? I only see text on this resource so far.

[pin_code]

There are videos from Ukrainian telegram channels. So you don't have a clue. Blow in the dudu and do not make me laugh.

[alexoff]

There are 6 imprisoned Ukrainian bloggers instead of 6 downed daggers. By the way, there are no downed calibers either

[LeutnantTom]

There is good news too! The best in a long time!
While stupid German warmongers, like European warmongers, are discussing and deciding on obtaining weapons for Kyiv.
SOUTH AFRICA SHOWS EU - Putin and Zelensky agree on a peace initiative!
This peace treaty initiative gives hope to all of us, except for those who love to play war and support the supply of weapons, because they have never been for peace!

[isv000]

Quote from LeutnantTom

There is good news too! The best in a long time!
While stupid German warmongers, like European warmongers, are discussing and deciding on obtaining weapons for Kyiv.
SOUTH AFRICA SHOWS EU - Putin and Zelensky agree on a peace initiative!
This peace treaty initiative gives hope to all of us, except for those who love to play war and support the supply of weapons, because they have never been for peace!

The contract can be signed. In Kyiv, about the entry of the regions of the former Ukraine into the Russian Federation.

[Bingo]

but also ricocheted on the image of American air defense in general

Does the American air defense still have some kind of image? After multiple visits to US bases in Iraq? Or after Aramko burned three times?

[al3x]

Damaged / destroyed is not so important. Now the striped ones scratch their turnips most of all over the fact that if the Dagger is nuclear, then this is a 100% defeat of the entire covered area with one missile. Those. at the moment, their air defense makes little sense.

[lukash66]

Quote: al3x

Damaged / destroyed is not so important. Now the striped ones scratch their turnips most of all over the fact that if the Dagger is nuclear, then this is a 100% defeat of the entire covered area with one missile. Those. at the moment, their air defense makes little sense.

Let the lords now scratch their turnips, bought all sorts of pieces of iron for crazy loot, they started bullying, and all of it can be covered with a copper basin in half an hour.))))) This was simply shown for especially advanced individuals, sit exactly on the priest and do not rock the boat. Neither God in the person of UWB, nor the king in the person of a can, nor a patriot hero will help you.))))

[isv000]

Quote: al3x

Damaged / destroyed is not so important. Now the striped ones scratch their turnips most of all over the fact that if the Dagger is nuclear, then this is a 100% defeat of the entire covered area with one missile. Those. at the moment, their air defense makes little sense.

They were so diligent in building a missile defense system based on this jingoistic patriot that they shook out the pockets of half the world. And then one (!) Rocket buried all their wet dreams. Now all normal specialists have seen that not a single state in the world is able to resist the Strategic Missile Forces and the Russian Aerospace Forces! As well as an army well prepared for urban battles. The teachers are good. Were...

[flSergius]

If ours didn’t just damage the cars, but destroyed the radar and / or command ones, then the NATO members and other owners will immediately have a question: why did we buy this shit at such a price?

[single-n]

Any helmet will not withstand the arrival of 12,7 mm and even 5,56 will not always hold. But for some reason they continue to buy and wear :)

[isv000]

Quote: flSergius

If ours didn’t just damage the cars, but destroyed the radar and / or command ones, then the NATO members and other owners will immediately have a question: why did we buy this shit at such a price?

Because the elder ordered everyone to buy my shit!

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from LeutnantTom

This peace treaty initiative gives hope to all of us, except for those who love to play war and support the supply of weapons, because they have never been for peace!

Do not tell tales.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Igor Kerenskiy

What do we have.

We have your comment ... also just words.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Commissar Kitten

No one will shoot Shahids with Patriots, for this there are anti-aircraft machine guns based on quadruple "maxims".

Not necessarily "shaheeds". You can make a LC with corner reflectors that will shine on the radar screens, like full-fledged CDs.
Anti-aircraft "maxims" - it's cool! If vsuki use this, their air defense is really powerful!

[single-n]

Use. There are already a lot of videos where the APU uses a memory device based on machine guns. But this is not just a swivel with a machine gun, but a complex with a unified anti-aircraft fire control system with night sights. Just a front line of hundreds of kilometers and block them with machine guns with a range of 3-4 km. Very difficult.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Single-n

And the air defense of Ukraine quite successfully closed the sky for our aircraft.

Nichrome was not closed. Neither for aircraft, nor for "geraniums" and "lancets", nor for planning bombs.
Beautifully recently, the ammunition depot banged. Explosion - not less than 1 kt in TNT. With what kaklov and congratulations.

[isv000]

Quote: Illanatol

Beautifully recently, the ammunition depot banged. Explosion - not less than 1 kt in TNT. With what kaklov and congratulations.

One kg can only be thrown in the toilet, it will also stink ...

[evgen1221]

And our videos were not published with the defeat of these vaunted patriots? A good PR move in favor of c300-400-500 would have worked.

[isv000]

Quote: evgen1221

And our videos were not published with the defeat of these vaunted patriots? A good PR move in favor of c300-400-500 would have worked.

Good products don't need advertising.

[smart_ups]

The dagger was struck by a patriot for a fake about a downed dagger. I had to answer for the market))))

[flicker]

The best option is to show that the Russians, despite the hit, failed to destroy the entire battery.

Whether it was possible to destroy the battery or not, the question is not in this, but in the fact that out of 32 anti-missiles (namely, so many were on the video), not a single one managed to hit the Dagger.
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In fact, the Dagger became a bait for which 32 Patriot anti-missiles were wasted, after which neither the fate of the Patriot itself, nor the fact that he defended, means anything.
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Once again, the horror for the NATO alliance is not that the Patriot air defense system was destroyed (one more than one less), but that all 32 anti-missiles did not hit the Dagger.

[Strannik96]

Quote: al3x

Damaged / destroyed is not so important. Now the striped ones scratch their turnips most of all over the fact that if the Dagger is nuclear, then this is a 100% defeat of the entire covered area with one missile. Those. at the moment, their air defense makes little sense.

Not even nuclear, try to run away in a couple of minutes of a dagger flying up. Now the life of a patriot depends on the distance of the dagger's reach. And this fundamentally changes the use of NATO air defense after this moment. And there is no way out - except for the removal of the patriot as far as possible. That will be their decision for today. The use of a patriot in the territory of the dagger is not yet possible for NATO. For Ukrainians, the use is possible, well, they will bomb them, what's the difference - they will bring something up again.

[isv000]

Quote: Strannik96

And there is no way out - except for the removal of the patriot as far as possible.

The flight range of the "Dagger" is about 500 km, the speed is Mach 8 - try it, run ... Even the grandfather of the S-200 "ran" with Mach six, and then ...
Now let's look at the length of the queue of buyers for the "Patriots" ...

[Ezekiel 25-17]

You can lie to anything, but there are two working options: to install new complexes or not to deliver. At the first, you need to learn the calculations in a new way.

[DMFalke]

The information is not official, so we cannot confirm it.

On Mars, they discussed the editors of VO and their articles, the information is not official and I cannot confirm it

[isv000]

We urgently need another zeroed Patriot battery. The image must be achieved ...

[Engineer]

in Saudi as many as 200 Patriot batteries
given the size and population of the "democratic" in (on) - they need a pid of 2000 pieces

Destroy the enemy faster