Military Review

Syrian Middle Eastern knot

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A restraining factor in the exacerbation of the situation throughout the Middle East is the "Syrian equilibrium"

The weekly "MIC" has repeatedly referred to the events in the Middle East, in particular in the articles "If Ankara Angry ...", "Six Arab Monarchies Against Iran", "Syria: Intervention Is Eliminated" (No. 30, 2012). However, the situation in this region is constantly changing, as there are many hot spots here. But the Syrian question remains the most acute. The tenacity of Assad, the relative neutrality of the United States, the rejection by Russia and China of the forceful way of resolving the crisis preserve for an indefinite time the situation in Syria, which is closely watched by the West, Turkey, Israel and the Sunni monarchies. Decisive actions in this direction of one of the parties can be a catalyst for the exacerbation of the situation throughout the Middle East.

In the civil war in Syria, there has been a new turn. The Syrian opposition at a meeting in the capital of Qatar - Doha announced the unification under the auspices of the specially created for this Syrian National Coalition (SNK). After lengthy persuasion, the Syrian National Council (SNC) also joined the CPC, which for a long time sought to present itself as a spokesman for the interests of the entire opposition. In fact, the SNA consisted almost exclusively of emigrants, almost forgotten in their homeland. Under pressure from the West and the Arab monarchies, they agreed to enter the SNK. It is believed that the coalition united at least 80 percent of the forces fighting against Bashar al-Assad, or rather, its leadership wants to think so. The Islamic radicals, who form the basis of the rebel forces, immediately declared that they did not intend to submit to the CPC, but wanted to create an Islamic state on part of Syria.

Nevertheless, the external forces behind the Syrian opposition now have a formal opportunity to repeat the Libyan option, declaring the CPC to be the “legitimate government” of Syria to begin with. True, the Arab League has so far not gone so far, recognizing the coalition as the legal spokesman of the interests of the opposition. But all six monarchies - members of the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (GCC) said that the SNK is the legitimate force representing the Syrian people. Soon, France joined them. Paris (still under the former president Sarkozy) was also the first to recognize the Libyan opposition. And it was France that was the start of hostilities against Gadhafi’s troops, having drawn other NATO countries into the war.

True, this time it is unlikely to succeed. From France “Rafali” and “Mirages” will not reach Syria, and it’s unlikely that they will venture to send their only aircraft carrier Francois Hollande to the Syrian coast. All carrier aviation France today includes only 23 Rafale M F3 aircraft (another 9 Rafale M F1 are in storage pending modernization to version F3) and from 30 to 40 extremely obsolete Super Etandars. This is too little to fully combat the Syrian air force and air defense. Moreover, for the Etandars, even the MiG-21 poses a mortal threat. Yes, and Charles de Gaulle and the security ships are at risk due to the presence of the Bastion SCRC. And drawing NATO allies into war this time is risky. It was safe to fight with Libya due to the fact that it did not have an air defense system. Syrian air defense is still quite combat-ready, so if the French climb into battle again without asking allies, they may not understand them.

Syrian Middle Eastern knotThe leadership of Israel quite openly declares that the conflict in Syria must be resolved by the hands of the Arabs, that is, it calls for the intervention of the monarchy of the GCC, which, of course, themselves will suffer very significant losses. For Tel Aviv, the best option would be to defeat direct enemies (Syria and, maybe, its supporter - Iran) tactical allies (according to the principle of a common enemy in the face of Iran) - Sunni monarchies, but strategically, enemies are no less. But the monarchies made the first step, recognizing the CPC, but in no further rush to go.

However, it is clear that Hollande, the Arab kings and sheikhs are waiting for the United States to start fighting against Assad. After all, the winning Barack Obama’s hands now seem to be untied. However, while Washington does not show any enthusiasm, their support for the Syrian opposition remains exclusively political.

Turkey remains another potential organizer of aggression. She wants more and more, but is still very prickly. Nevertheless, the Turks begged the NATO Patriots for NATO allies to be located near the border with Syria.

This, like any other, air defense system is purely defensive weapons. However, in this particular case, everything is somewhat more complicated. The firing range of the first modifications of the "Patriot" is 70, later - 160 kilometers, which means that from the territory of Turkey they can shoot down planes over most of Syria. What will become in fact aggression and the Syrian side will receive the right to respond. Moreover, such a step can be quite successful in the first place with regard to air defense missile systems, which are very vulnerable. The result will be a classic escalation to a state of full-scale war. Moreover, no one is going to manufacture new “Patriots” specifically for Turkey and train Turkish soldiers, there is simply no time for this. The air defense system is likely to come to Germany or the Netherlands, and with personnel from these countries. Accordingly, a blow to them will be a blow not to Turkey alone, but to the North Atlantic Alliance as a whole.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said that it was not planned to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, the purpose of deliveries to the air defense system was solely to cover the Turkish airspace. Most likely this is true, since neither the Dutch, nor even the Germans will not substitute their servicemen for a possible Syrian strike. Too much scandal in their own countries, this will turn out.

Therefore, everyone will continue to wait for the rebels to destroy the Assad regime without open external intervention. However, the possibility of a NATO military invasion of the monarchy is kept in mind. That is why the rebels constantly attack Syrian air defense objects and sometimes even capture them. And the opposition itself gives almost nothing, with the help of MANPADS no more than a dozen government aircraft and helicopters have been shot down so far. It is quite obvious that these attacks are carried out on external orders in order to eliminate the factors that could prevent the intervention. But the conditions for it, including the destruction of the air defense system and the general collapse of the armed forces, have not yet been created, so the war will remain civil.

Against this background, the “eternal” conflict between Israel and Palestine suddenly intensified. Israeli armed forces destroyed the Hamas military leader Ahmad Jabari, and then launched massive air-missile strikes on the military infrastructure of this movement. In response, the Islamic group fired several hundred missiles from the Gaza Strip under its control through Israel, some of which reached the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem neighborhoods.

It seems that the Israeli leadership decided that Obama’s hands were now free, and they began to seriously prepare for a strike on Iran, clearing the rear. Hamas is considered one of Tehran’s main resources for delivering an asymmetrical counter strike to Israel. By destroying the group’s military infrastructure, destroying its stockpiles of missiles, including knocking them down with anti-missile defenses, the Israelis removed this problem for a long time. Accordingly, the risks are reduced when solving the main task - the destruction of the Iranian nuclear infrastructure.

However, the capabilities of the Israeli Air Force are objectively limited by the lack of strategic bombers, heavy air bombs, cruise missiles, and lack of tanker aircraft. Therefore, in Tel Aviv, they very much want that for them in Iran a part of the work, and even better, all the work was done by the Americans, who have just enough of the above.

But there is no enthusiasm for the US president here. Moreover, the Americans made every effort to prevent the Israeli ground operation in Gaza. Their main ally was the new president of Egypt, Mohammed Mursi, who was rapidly gaining political weight in his own country and in the Middle East as a whole. He very quickly turns into the same dictator as Hosni Mubarak, only less pro-American.

In addition, the Americans reported that the repair of the aircraft carrier "Nimitz", which was supposed to come in January 2013, to the Persian Gulf to replace the "Dwight Eisenhower", is delayed at least until summer. “Eisenhower” will leave the Persian Gulf before the end of the year and will undergo deck repair in the USA in order to return to the Middle East for four months in February of 2013. Thus, in December 2012 - January 2013, only one US Navy aircraft carrier, the “John Stennis”, will remain in the region. And despite the fact that even for a limited strike on Iran, at least three aircraft carriers are needed, and for the destruction of the entire nuclear-missile infrastructure and the main objects of the Iranian armed forces, at least five.

It is possible that the Nimitz reactor, which in any case will be written off in the 2018 year, after serving the “fifty dollars” it has served, is really faulty. But maybe Washington makes it clear to Tel Aviv that even substituting it by striking Iran without prior arrangement (like France in Libya) will not work. Let Israel itself do everything without any American help.

Obama does not need to think about re-election, his hands are now actually untied. But for some reason all over the world they cannot understand in any way that Obama is not Bush, but quite the opposite. At least by American standards, he is an outspoken pacifist, and he also works off the Nobel Peace Prize awarded in a clear advance. Hence the withdrawal of troops from Iraq without retaining military bases in that country, the steady curtailment of the Afghan operation, and almost complete withdrawal from intervention in Libya. Losing hands does not mean that Obama, like Bush, will start bombing everyone, but that he will even more avoid participating in any wars and conflicts without looking back at the opinion of conservative Republicans. Moreover, the administration’s intentions were announced to significantly reduce the military budget. Consequently, the reduced US capabilities will be reoriented to East Asia in order to contain China. And all the aspirations of Paris, Riyadh, Doha, Ankara, Tel Aviv about the fact that the Americans will soon begin to fight against Syria and / or Iran, appear to be groundless.

On the other hand, it is extremely difficult to admit that the situation in the Middle East will be resolved without a big war, the situation in the region is too tense. On one flank - the West, Turkey, Israel, Sunni monarchies, on the other - Syria (while Assad is in power) and Iran. If the United States is included in the concept of “West”, then the outcome of the war is obvious (even without the participation of Israel). But with the self-withdrawal of Americans, the outcome is absolutely not obvious. Even more so, Israel and the monarchies equally hate Iran, but they will not openly conduct joint operations against it or against Syria, their people will not understand such a peculiar union. Egypt, having the most combat-ready armed forces in the Arab world, is unlikely to take part in the war on the side of monarchies. Mursi, although Islamist, but with his plans and ambitions. The armies of the monarchies themselves are well armed, but their servicemen were not hired there to die in a real bloody war, but also against the co-religionists. The European countries of NATO, as the Libyan experience has shown, can only participate very limitedly in a purely air operation (more than 100 planes are totally incapable of aircraft), participation in a ground operation is out of the question (except for small special forces units). And in such a situation, Turkey does not want to be stupid of all and to be lost essentially alone.

As a result, the sustainability of the regime of Bashar al-Assad becomes a decisive factor. The Syrian leader, by the way, is by no means engaged in the destruction of his own people, as claimed in the West, and what is particularly funny - in medieval Arab despotisms led by Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. It reflects the interests of a significant part of the Syrian people, especially minorities (Alawites, Christians, Kurds), which together make up almost half of the country's population. In this regard, he is very similar to Obama, who also won the election with the votes of various groups of people who are not dominant in the country. Moreover, apparently, for him and a considerable part of the Sunni majority, who see how many radical Islamists among the rebels, mostly foreigners. And this, despite the seeming hopelessness of the situation, gives Assad this very stability. In addition, the Syrian leadership, apparently, was able to adequately assess the external situation, not falling into the superstitious horror of the "omnipotent" NATO and seeing in it only a "paper tiger".

If you refer to the recent stories, it can be noted that the concept of aggressive nature and the gigantic power of NATO greatly captivates all opponents of the alliance and deprives the will to resist. In 1990, NATO, of course, was many times stronger than it is now (both militarily and psychologically). When the deployment of the Western grouping in Saudi Arabia was just beginning, it was already clear: this was not for intimidation (if only because it was too expensive), but for a war against Iraq that had seized Kuwait. Nevertheless, the massive attack of the Iraqi army at that moment would be extremely difficult to repel. However, Saddam Hussein, like the overwhelming majority of dictator-aggressors, was stupid and cowardly. It did not prevent the full-fledged deployment of the grouping of the armed forces of the United States and its allies, and only watched in a spell of the process. Then, having shown absolute passivity during the war, naturally doomed itself to a crushing defeat.

At the end of the decade Slobodan Milosevic behaved in a similar way. He was confident that he had bought NATO's favor with the Dayton Accords and the surrender of the Serb Krajina to the Croats. And he didn’t even bother at least strengthening air defense. For this, it was logical to receive the NATO aggression in the 1999 year, during which it capitulated at the very moment when the operation essentially reached a dead end, because it did not reach its goal. The only way out for the alliance was the start of the ground operation in conditions when the Serb ground forces, unlike the Iraqi, practically did not suffer losses and did not lose their morale. But the Serbian president of NATO saved, surrendering at that very moment. Moreover, even during the air campaign, Milosevic could launch active hostilities against Albania and even try to launch air strikes against NATO air bases in Italy. This could give an extremely significant military and, most importantly, a psychological effect. The enemy would face the threat of unacceptable damage. However, this chance was not used.

Well, in the last years of his life, Gaddafi very actively spread out before the West, forgetting about the strengthening of the Armed Forces. And also got his. But he would have bought, like Asad did, at least a couple of divisions of the Buk-М2 air defense system, most likely would not only be alive, but would still lead Libya. It may be recalled that France began to strike at government forces at the moment when they launched an attack on Benghazi, and with very good chances for success. There would be a "Buk" - there would be no strikes.

Looks like Assad decided to be an exception. Perhaps there were adequate people in Damascus who were able to look at NATO realistically, and not through the prism of the concept described. Perhaps there they managed to adequately assess the misery of the Libyan campaign of the alliance and understand that even a relatively small number of “Bukov” and “Pantsira” is enough for the desire to fight the Europeans to disappear. And if the United States is not going to participate in hostilities, then there is absolutely no need to be afraid of everyone else.

The main thing here is that psychological stability is impossible without a powerful army, even if it is equipped with mostly obsolete weapons and military equipment (IWT). This is the most important Syrian lesson. The supply of weapons and military equipment of the 90s is sufficient both for a full-scale war with rebels receiving weapons from abroad and for deterring possible aggression from outside. How long is enough - that is the question. After all, aid with weapons and that extremely insignificant (due to the limitations of their own capabilities) is provided by Assad only by Iran. Russia and especially China only talk a lot. But Turkey, monarchies and Libya who joined them, are very actively pumping the opposition with arms and people. At some point, their quantity may turn into quality ...
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  1. WW3
    WW3 5 December 2012 07: 15
    +10
    adequate people were found in Damascus who were able to look at NATO realistically, and not through the prism of the described concept. Perhaps there they managed to adequately assess the squalor of the Libyan campaign of the alliance and understand that even a relatively small number of “Buk” and “Carapace” are enough to lose the desire to fight the Europeans

    It is necessary to strengthen Syria’s air defense, because NATO aggression will begin from the air .... this is a standard scenario ..... of course, this cannot be allowed, the faster the Syrian army breaks the mercenaries, the less chance of invasion from outside ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 07: 41
      +11
      Quote: WW3
      the sooner the Syrian army breaks the mercenaries, the less chance of an invasion from outside ...

      And how will the Syrian army beat the mercenaries? The rabble from all over the region becomes a queue in order to get to Syria and earn money. As long as the financial conveyor is working, how much urine there is, new meat will be delivered regularly and in the right amount.
      1. WW3
        WW3 5 December 2012 07: 44
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As long as the financial conveyor is working, no matter how much urine there, new meat will be delivered regularly and in the required quantity.

        Nothing ... the more this mercenary meat turns into minced meat, the better everyone ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 07: 51
          +9
          Quote: WW3
          .the more this mercenary meat turns into minced meat, the better for everyone ..

          Yes, but this is ordinary meat. And those who sponsor are sitting on oil, enough money for a new one is an endless conveyor. Hoses to others must be blocked, sitting in Qatar, Turkey and many more where.
          1. WW3
            WW3 5 December 2012 08: 03
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, but this is ordinary meat. And those who sponsor are sitting on oil, enough money for a new one is an endless conveyor.

            I agree. But Syria’s tough nut can break their teeth ... in Qatar and Saudi Arabia oxygen will be cut off either with the cheapening of oil or the development of new technologies for shale gas or shale oil ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 08: 13
              +4
              Quote: WW3
              .in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, oxygen is shut off either with the cheapening of oil or with the development of new technologies for shale gas or shale oil.

              Well, here we are more likely to be blocked off with oxygen, and as for the shale-blizzards, all of this. It would be so profitable for everyone to rush to get them for a long time. Oxygen will be shut off only when the region explodes.
              1. WW3
                WW3 5 December 2012 08: 23
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Oxygen will be shut off only when the region explodes.

                Yes .. there will come a self-sustaining chain reaction of the Arab revolutions ... they themselves released the genie from the bottle ... the secular regimes of Mubarak and Gaddafi looked much more decent for those who host it now ... Amer flags were burned in Egypt, and the US ambassador was killed in Libya .. . photo attached ..
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 08: 36
                  +6
                  Quote: WW3
                  and in Libya they killed the US ambassador ... photo attached ..

                  sorry for the ambassador, not Obama himself along with Clinton.
                  1. WW3
                    WW3 5 December 2012 08: 40
                    +7
                    When the United States breaks up, the world will become a little kinder ... Amer’s values ​​are not positive ....
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 5 December 2012 11: 31
          0
          Quote: WW3
          the more this mercenary meat turns into minced meat, the better for everyone

          At least there would be such meat in the world, there would be money, and Assad simply could starve them. Shooting, explosions, deaths, sanctions, a gradually declining economy will simply destroy the country without outside help, a matter of time. Iran itself is in sanctions , it won’t help much. Russia and China are mostly verbal. So I think the fate is sad. There is no power in the world that can withstand 100% chaos.
          1. WW3
            WW3 5 December 2012 11: 35
            +3
            Quote: baltika-18
            Such meat in the world at least heaped, there would be money

            I agree about the money, but there are trained mercenaries there, one can say the pros .... they are transferred where it smells of fried meat ...., give the monkey a gun in his hands so she shoots herself, it takes time to prepare the fighter, so the more they grind them forcemeat is better ....
            This meat will never be on the side of Russia ... this is my subjective view .... I do not pretend to the truth ...
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 22
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how will the Syrian army beat the mercenaries? The rabble from all over the region becomes a queue in order to get to Syria and earn money. As long as the financial conveyor is working, how much urine there is, new meat will be delivered regularly and in the right amount

        I totally agree with you !!
        And once again I read from Khramchikhin dregs and unprofessional articles !!
        If it were not for the direct support of Iran and the political support from Russia and China, the Assad regime would have collapsed a long time ago !!
        To compare Milosevic, Gaddafi with Assad, to put it mildly, is not ethical and shows not knowledge of the state of things by the author! The first two passed everything !!!
      3. YARY
        YARY 5 December 2012 08: 41
        +2
        Article plus.
        Alexander to you too!
        1. WW3
          WW3 5 December 2012 08: 45
          +1
          Quote: Ardent
          Article plus.

          I wonder who will put a minus article here ... the article is very good ....
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 51
            0
            Quote: WW3
            I wonder who will put a minus article here ... the article is very good ...

            I put a minus, because Khramchikhin considers himself an expert, but carries nonsense!
            Many facts known to everyone are presented as their conclusions!
            I can, if you want to state the points!
            1. YARY
              YARY 5 December 2012 09: 11
              +3
              Alibek
              YOU are right butrepeating mother teachings!
              Moreover, sometimes (I just silly understand) I want to shout. Especially when you see familiar places.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 5 December 2012 10: 07
                0
                Quote: Ardent

                Alibek
                YOU are right but, repetition of mother teaching!

                Hello Ardent!
                Well, at least read about the aircraft carrier in France and why the author believes that its use is impossible !!
                Same folly!!
                Or about Israel and its military capabilities !!
                If one of our authors would write this, I would understand, but this person considers himself very cool military expert and I don’t think such errors are excusable !!
                1. YARY
                  YARY 5 December 2012 14: 56
                  +1
                  Naivety but not stupidity, although it is possible.
                  But touches.
          2. Professor
            Professor 5 December 2012 09: 44
            -5
            I set a minus. Much is not true, but this is just a masterpiece:
            It reflects the interests of a significant part of the Syrian people, primarily minorities (Alawites, Christians, Kurds), which together make up almost half of the country's population. In this regard, he is very similar to Obama, who also won the election by the votes of various population groups that do not dominate the country.

            minority interests... This is certainly good, but the absolute majority are those very Sunnis. About Obama, in general, nonsense, he was supported in the elections by the absolute majority of the population, including "various groups of the population that do not dominate the country."

            But most importantly, the author calls this war a civil war and here claims that Assad does not fight with his people. Let the civil war be already determined or not.
            1. Che
              Che 5 December 2012 14: 38
              +3
              Professor,
              There is not a civil war but the aggression of amers with rats.
        2. Alina sema
          Alina sema 6 December 2012 17: 41
          0
          a lot of mistakes
          1. Syrian rebels attack everything ruled by military bases (they need weapons and equipment), special emphasis is placed on air force bases since it is the air bombs that cause the most damage and casualties
          2. Kurds-Christians-Alavites do not make up half of the population of Syria. This is, to put it mildly, an incorrect assumption. And not all of them unequivocally support Assad.
          3. not to intervene now means to let the situation take its course and "God forbid" the Syrians themselves, who are not controlled by anyone or anything, will get to power in Syria ... because the West is in a hurry ... although, I hope, it will not have time ...
          http://www.ayyam.org/russian/?p=1907
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 6 December 2012 20: 23
            +1
            Alina sema,
            Not rebels but bandits. Neither Syria nor its neighbors will be better off eliminating Assad. It will only get worse.
            1. Alina sema
              Alina sema 6 December 2012 21: 58
              -3
              it is the rebels. Syrians have the right to rule their country themselves without the Rus-Amer. dolls.
              Yes, Israel will not get better from the fall of Assad, and therefore all outsiders messed up with missions / interventions. the rebels are squeezing the ring around Damascus, and neither the West, nor Russia, nor anyone else intends to allow them to power.
      4. aksakal
        aksakal 5 December 2012 10: 01
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And how will the Syrian army beat the mercenaries? The rabble from all over the region becomes a queue in order to get to Syria and earn money. As long as the financial conveyor is working, how much urine there is, new meat will be delivered regularly and in the right amount.

        - while you do not agree that Syria does not have the supply of new technology. The repaired MI-25 helicopters never arrived - and this is a shame for Russia. since they did not deliver it, it means that they de facto agreed that the States have the right, according to their own understanding, to dictate to Russia who to supply weapons and to whom not. Precisely "according to their own mind" - no official sanctions against Syria through the UN (and only along this line are the sanctions legitimate). And Russia agreed with this! Important components for radars have not been delivered to Syria either - Putin did not even set himself the goal of knocking them out of Turkey, at least back to Russia. This means that the combat effectiveness of many air defense units is in doubt. It is possible that even some of the 36 "Carapaces", which are more or less modern in the Syrian air defense, are even among the faulty ones. They have been there for several years already, and some individual units may well fail. And the products are radar and from the manufacturer "Pantsirey". The conclusion is simple - in fact, there are not 36 shells, but less.
        Not, of course, I would like to hope that I do not know much and cannot know, but supplies are carried out through secret special multi-step operations at the level of large special services, political support is actually carried out through diplomatic channels, and "we are not Assad's lawyers" - all only rhetoric aimed at reducing the hostility of anti-Assad-minded countries. Hopefully. But firstly, the Russian top political establishment has long been demonstrating transparency in foreign policy (such transparency in domestic policy), and the events in Libya have clearly shown that if Russia is “merging”, then “merging” directly and honestly, so to speak , so bluntly and declaring - "Amanita is not shaking hands". Secondly, the Russian special services have long lost the ability to conduct special operations in such a way that not a single dog is in a dream. Or foreign intelligence services have become so skilled, while the Russian one has remained at the same level of Soviet times. Whoever likes it, but the result is still the same - I am sure that nothing is being supplied to Syria.
        And now the conclusions -
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        While the financial conveyor is operating, how much urine there is, new meat will be delivered regularly and in the required quantity
        - Syria is only wasting its resource and no one but Iran is trying to help her make up for losses. Neither finance, nor weapons, nor meat.
        And if so, then the end is completely predictable, and I am almost sure of it. The point is the timing. It may be long enough, but still the end of this story will be unambiguous. Syria is a poor country, and this is its main weakness.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 10: 10
          +1
          Quote: aksakal

          - while you do not agree that Syria does not have supplies of new equipment. The repaired MI-25 helicopters never reached

          Yes, and so everyone knows that to remind yourself and spoil your mood.
          Quote: aksakal
          The point is the timing.

          Without outside help, yes, this is not inevitable.
          1. Alina sema
            Alina sema 6 December 2012 17: 42
            -2
            not to intervene now means to let the situation take its course and "God forbid" the Syrians themselves, who are not controlled by anyone or anything, will get to power in Syria ... because the West is in a hurry ... although, I hope, it will not have time ...
            http://www.ayyam.org/russian/?p=1907
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 5 December 2012 10: 22
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          Important components for radars were not brought to Syria - Putin did not even set himself the goal of knocking them out of Turkey at least back to Russia

          Why do you think so??
          Such things are usually not openly spoken about during such visits!
          ** Syria is only wasting its resource and no one but Iran is even trying to help it make up for losses. Neither finance, nor weapons, nor meat. ** - absolutely right!
          1. Saracen
            Saracen 5 December 2012 11: 31
            -2
            Quote: Yarbay
            and no one but Iran is trying to help her make up for losses

            Iran, too, is worn out in this war and is clearly not doing well. Last week, their Supreme Ayatollah called on the rebels for a truce. While there was strength, they cut out everything they could, but now they cannot. And this is a sign of weakness and future defeat.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 5 December 2012 13: 25
              +2
              Quote: Saracen
              Iran, too, is worn out in this war and is clearly not doing well. Last week, their Supreme Ayatollah called on the rebels for a truce. While there was strength, they cut out everything they could, but now they cannot "

              The fact is that there are enough people in Iran to help Syria, but being isolated and under an embargo, Iran cannot solve all the problems of Syria alone!
              Quote: Saracen
              And this is a sign of weakness and future defeat.

              Let's hope for the best!
        3. Che
          Che 5 December 2012 14: 40
          +2
          aksakal,
          I hope for the tacit help of Russia.
          1. Saracen
            Saracen 5 December 2012 14: 44
            -1
            Quote: Che
            I hope for the tacit help of Russia.


            it already helps, accept that it is not omnipotent, and is limited by various factors, the most important of which is that the Russian leadership follows in the wake of US policy.
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 5 December 2012 20: 41
              0
              Saracen,
              Maybe Ukraine would help the Syrians against rats.
              1. igor67
                igor67 5 December 2012 20: 51
                0
                Sandov,
                Ukraine can’t, it is part of the union as there is a partnership ...... I forgot how in Russian in Ukrainian I’m glad to wash
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 5 December 2012 15: 25
            +3
            Quote: Che
            aksakal, I hope for the tacit help of Russia.

            - I wrote in my post that I also hope for the tacit help of Russia. There are rumors on the Internet about the cash being transported by Assad by air, possibly by arms, but then at least let me be glad that the Russian special services are able to carry out such operations -))))). At least later, after a fight, when you no longer need to wave your fists. After the conflict of the two Koreas, our pilots had to be proud only after fifty, but no, even more - years. Somehow the joy after such a long wait is not the same.
            But it seems that our and Iranian assistance can not be compared with the help of that side. Already 40 fighters belay under Damascus! You wet them, you wet them, and there are more and more of them! As in the film "Evolution" (remember the silly film with David Duchovny?) - there aliens could not be burned out with fire, they only grew from fire!
            Saracen:
            Quote: Saracen
            and limited by various factors, the most important of which is that the Russian leadership follows in the wake of US policy.

            On the whole, I agree with the statement, but I do not agree with your "main factor" - Russia does not follow in the wake of the United States. It was the West that managed to impose "Assad's bloodthirstiness" on the world, while Russia is now unable to support the "bloody dictator" - such support can go sideways. They break all contracts, even those already concluded, and sue them in international arbitration. They are expelled from all concessions and deposits. Moreover, this will be done by third countries that have little to do with the States, except perhaps those under their informational influence. A lot of losses are shining. From this already "yulenie" - like, "we are not lawyers and did not subscribe to lawyers!" I will clearly indicate that Russia has interests in Syria, but unfortunately it is unable to defend them. And I will just as clearly indicate - this is not following in the wake of the amers' policy, this is a manifestation of Russia's weakness. Geopolitical weakness. From this, and yulenie - in fact, lost, so at least save the image and save all the deals with Turkey. Sadness, in general. We are not the USSR, we are not the USSR. All the more it is necessary to unite and unite their potentials - the weak has no place in this world. Or a place, but in a remote corner, for some reason it doesn't smell good.
            I’m not very upset and not in a hurry to draw conclusions, I’m not in a hurry to write off Assad - I understand that this is exactly the impression from my post. Just stating the facts based on the available information material. And I just conclude - you need to become strong. Even if for this you have to tighten your belts. And I also hope that juvenileism will cease, and that Russia will directly make it clear to those who finance the bandit bacchanalia in Syria that it will not tolerate ... Although this is unlikely to help. Qatar carried away unless you have to erase from the map of the Earth, but who will? Under the roof of the hegemon sad
            1. Bekzat
              Bekzat 6 December 2012 11: 42
              +1
              Dear Aksakal, I agree with you, + you. I also agree that We need to become stronger, and We will become stronger only by uniting. By "Us", "We" I mean Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan with Kyrgyzstan.
          3. Bekzat
            Bekzat 6 December 2012 11: 38
            +2
            Greetings to all, for Che, I also really hope that Russia will decide to help Syria. I would like to hear on the radio, read in the newspaper news like this: "Bashar al-Assad flew to Moscow yesterday. At a meeting with Vladimir Putin, the Syrian leader showed documented evidence, testimony of captured extremists, as well as photo and video confirmation, etc. At the meeting additional agreements were signed on the supply of mi-25s, and weapons in terms of air defense, also Assad, expressed a desire to join the CSTO and the Customs Union, and proposed (after the end of the confrontation with the militants) to invest in the Syrian economy, with the provision of benefits and discounts. " Although this is just my wish. And for the ending of my comment, post
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 5 December 2012 08: 25
      +3
      Quote: WW3
      It is necessary to strengthen Syria’s air defense, because NATO aggression will begin from the air .... this is the standard scenario ..... of course, this cannot be allowed, the faster the Syrian army breaks the mercenaries, the less chance of invading from outside

      - there will be no strengthening of the air defense of Syria. After the words “we are not Syria's avdocats,” and after we called Turkey into the customs union with the signing of a number of major economic deals, I got the impression IMHO - Syria is being dumped in exchange for getting Turkey.
      The exchange is attractive only at first glance. But Syria has already proven its ability to be a loyal ally, it has never demonstrated eastern cunning and eastern cunning, and it does not have its own imperial ambitions, which go harshly against Russia's plans. Turkey will not be an ally, at the first opportunity it will take a stone out of its bosom. Or it will simply "pretend" to be an ally, but exactly until the moment when it dampens Syria - after all, as an ally, it will be given such a right. And then the rhetoric will change dramatically up to the demands of Crimea back.
      Anyway - I understand everything, no friends are needed, there are interests. But you can’t betray, how then to look in the mirror?
      1. WW3
        WW3 5 December 2012 08: 33
        +4
        Turkey is a member of the North Atlantic Alliance (NATO).
      2. Selevc
        Selevc 5 December 2012 09: 34
        +2
        Yes - do not say - if they exchange Turkey for Syria - this will be a strategic mistake ...

        What surprises me most is the position of Russia - their diplomats and politicians behave as if there are no Russian interests in Syria at all ... And there is no Navy base - so two bearded men with one berdanka and a flock of balls ...
        1. Beck
          Beck 5 December 2012 14: 10
          -2
          Quote: Selevc
          Yes - do not say - if they exchange Turkey for Syria - this will be a strategic mistake ..


          The strategic mistake was that from the very beginning they began to support the dictatorship of Asadov. On any scale, weigh what is heavier and more significant in terms of economic partnership, political structure and strategic position - Turkey or Syria. Of course Turkey. Well, from Syria - the base of Tartus, so there is a pier, two rusty cranes and two sheds that call each other terminals, a dictatorial regime and a backward economy. Turkey is the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, these are resorts, in fact for Russian use, this is the secular regime, this is the Russian gas pipeline, this or that, but the economy.

          Putin's friendly visit to Ankara shows what course he turned
          Kremlin. First of all, a mutually beneficial economic partnership, and the support of a dictator who is at war with his people is so between things.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 5 December 2012 14: 42
            +1
            Quote: Beck
            The strategic mistake was that from the very beginning they began to support the dictatorship of Asadov. On any scale, weigh what is heavier and more significant in terms of economic partnership, political structure and strategic position - Turkey or Syria. Of course Turkey. Well, from Syria - the base of Tartus, so there is a pier, two rusty cranes and two sheds that call each other terminals, a dictatorial regime and a backward economy. Turkey is the Bosporus and the Dardanelles, these are resorts, in fact for Russian use, this is the secular regime, this is the Russian gas pipeline, this or that, but the economy

            - again gutting nonsense. And how much can you? You have already said that "while the communists were in power, we lagged behind Europe and it is time to catch up with it!" But they did not specify, and in what exactly did they lag behind under the Communists? In scientific and technological development? Who was the first to go out into space? Could it be under the communists? In the field of culture? Let me tell you a secret - in the field of ballet, Russia is still ahead of the rest. And there are plenty of others - the Matsaevs are still winning all sorts of competitions. In the field of sports? Don't tell my sneakers. When you say such nonsense, how can you be taken seriously? Why did you put such a label on the Syrian regime? Why don't you hang the same label on the same Saudi Arabia? Or on that Bahrain - they are also under pressure there, and how! And the Saudis are helping. Begone, zombie, maybe the holy minus will help laughing
            1. Beck
              Beck 5 December 2012 14: 59
              -3
              Quote: aksakal
              You have already said that "while the communists were in power, we lagged behind Europe and it's time to catch up with it!"


              In all behind. In space technology. In nanotechnology. In mechanical engineering, In automotive engineering. In the release of televisions, mobile phones, computers, and much more. Even in the release of ballpoint pens.

              Quote: aksakal
              So why did you stick such a label to the Syrian regime? Why do not you hang the same label on the same Saudi Arabia? Or on that Bahrain - there, too, they are pressing with tanks, and how! And the Saudis are helping. Come, zombies, maybe the holy minus will help


              Syria has a dictatorship. In Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, constitutional monarchies are implicated in the orthodox religion. Syria has proclaimed itself a republic, but there are no free elections there. Constitutional monarchies do not provide for elections by constitution. There is the hereditary power of kings.

              To overthrow power in these countries from the outside, by military means, the West will not do that. They do not need the victims of their soldiers, goals and objectives are inadequate. Now, if the peoples of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain rise against the power of the hereditary kings on a Syrian scale, and the kings start bombing their people, then the West will support the peoples of Arabia and Bahrain both morally and financially. As it was in Tunisia and Libya. How this is happening in Syria.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 5 December 2012 15: 39
                +2
                Quote: Beck
                In all behind. In space technology. In nanotechnology. In mechanical engineering, In automotive engineering. In the release of televisions, mobile phones, computers, and much more. Even in the release of ballpoint pens.

                - laughing laughing laughing laughing You clearly wrote there - they fell behind under the communists! What you have listed here is not behind the Communists! Thanks to your liberoids who came to power - the humpback - as it turns out, it’s not a communist at all, but a liberoid. EBN. Gaidar. Chubais. Nemtsov. And other brothers! It is precisely thanks to their actions, called reforms, that we are behind! From the very mid-80s, when they came to power, the backlog began! Do you think you are writing?
                Quote: Beck
                the peoples of Arabia and Bahrain as morally

                - especially about Bahrain laughing laughing laughing It's generally tin laughing
                Quote: Beck
                Syria has proclaimed itself a republic, but there are no free elections there.

                - According to the amers, there are no elections in Iran. But it’s not clear who Ahmanidejad will be fighting with there the other day. With myself? And there are no elections in Venezuela. It’s just not clear who Capriles is, who acknowledged the victory of Brother Hugo - the spirit, I guess. A ghost invented by Brother Hugo himself laughing
                Come, zombies, minus, minus!
                1. Beck
                  Beck 5 December 2012 16: 13
                  0
                  Aksakalu.

                  They remained under the Communists, because the Communists did not lay the foundations of advanced technologies and industries. Under Gorbi and Yeltsin, these are consequences.

                  Once again I confirm. The West is not enthusiastic about the monarchies of the Middle East. And forcedly has business with them. Because the people themselves do not oppose these monarchies in large numbers. Applying the presumption of innocence, it is quite possible that these peoples themselves want to live under the kings, if they do not speak.

                  There are elections in Iran, but the Thai opposition will never win, since the ayatollahs will not allow this to be done. For this there is an administrative resource and Guardians of the Revolution. As Allah and two machine guns say to us. In Venezuela, the elections are in power and the one whom the people chose. Although Hugo is not a gift for the United States. But precisely because Hugo chose the people of the United States and do not climb into Venezuela. By the way, Venezuela refutes the postulates of cheers-patriots that the United States climb into all holes only for oil. If this were so, then the amers know how to count, it would be much cheaper for them to get into Venezuela, and not into Iraq. It’s more profitable and cheaper to transport oil from Venezuela several times than to distant lands from Iraq. But in Venezuela, a legally elected president, albeit an eccentric.

                  And the last one. I’m on the site not for abuse, that I don’t have enough enemies in my life, I’m here to communicate. You want to argue with me all the time. Well, why is this and most importantly to nothing. Everyone here has their own opinions, they can be either coinciding or not coinciding, but this is not a reason for abuse. This is the reason for communication. Opinions may not converge, and they may converge or in communication work out an average point of view. So that I do not intend to swear with you. If you wish, minus me silently as you wish. This is your full right.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 5 December 2012 23: 48
                    -1
                    Already I see a more robust post, although not certain.
                    Quote: Beck
                    They remained under the Communists, because the Communists did not lay the foundations of advanced technologies and industries. Under Gorbi and Yeltsin, these are consequences.
                    - the communists have laid down everything that is needed for advanced technologies and industries. They just lost. We lost the war. The States managed to become the emission center of the world currency and enjoyed all the advantages of the emission center. This system includes all the strongest states. The inventions and scientific achievements of Germany (FRG), Japan, France, England, Isaril and others automatically became the achievements of the States in the confrontation with the USSR - all these achievements were applied in the military sphere, primarily in the military sphere. And the USSR, in scientific and technical terms, stood alone with practically the entire technically developed world. And he resisted successfully for many years. Then he began to lag behind in the information field, that is, in the field of computers. But the gap began precisely in the mid-80s, and it was the hump that began. Before that, the USSR even in the field of computers - "Elbrus", "Iskra". The EU 1500 lagged behind uncritically. I'm not asking for the communists - I'm not a communist. I ask for objectivity.

                    Quote: Beck
                    Once again I confirm. West not happy with the monarchies of the Middle East
                    - The West is not happy with anyone. China is not thrilled. from Russia is not thrilled. But not to everyone who is not enthusiastic, applies the technology of exporting revolutions. Saudi Arabia does not apply - a useful ally. There were no speeches in Saudi Arabia? You heard about them. They were, and were brutally crushed. Throw in time those speakers arms and dough - I think that the king would already be in exile. But there was nobody to throw them, that’s the whole shnyaga.


                    Quote: Beck
                    There are elections in Iran, but the Thai opposition will never win, since the ayatollahs will not allow this to be done. For this there is an administrative resource and Guardians of the Revolution. As Allah and two machine guns say to us. In Venezuela, the elections are in power and the one whom the people chose.
                    - By the opposition you mean pro-American brow? So who, in their right mind and solid memory, will put into the power of the brow - the representative of the enemy? In the States, after all, the same thing - read the memoirs of Ges Hall - you will learn many interesting things. Do you know who this Hydro Hall is? Oh yes. what is allowed to Jupiter ... Yes, yes laughing excuse me

                    Quote: Beck
                    By the way, Venezuela refutes the postulates of cheers-patriots that the United States climb into all holes only for oil.
                    - I did not say that. This is simply a simplified explanation of US behavior. It’s important for the states to take control of all the oil. In itself, they do not really need them - for printed candy wrappers they will buy them as much as desired and in any quantity. And Texas has its own oil. Oil is control. Wanted - pinched Russia through prices. He wanted - he suspended the growth of China again through prices. Or simply through non-sale. And Venezuela is not at all at all - there were already a couple of assassination attempts on Hugo, Colombia is ready to declare war on Venezuela just about. Colombia is a state completely controlled by amers. Stay informed, believe not only what you want to believe. And yet - you forgot to mention Nicaragua. Also a democratic state, but so anti-American that recognized South Ossetia. And now what? - so that the States do not climb, do you have to run after democracy with your pants up? And if I do not want? Just don't want it?
          2. Che
            Che 5 December 2012 14: 43
            +3
            Beck,
            Not all loot is measured. We will sell now, sell ourselves and then with giblets.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 5 December 2012 15: 14
              +1
              Quote: Che
              Not all loot is measured. We will sell now, sell ourselves and then with giblets.

              And before * were on sale * it was normal ????
              I understand that I want to click America on the nose and my hands are very itchy, but now they are too strong and you can’t do this supporting everyone, if only he would be against the USA (I don’t mean Assad)
            2. Beck
              Beck 5 December 2012 15: 18
              0
              Quote: Che
              Not all loot is measured. We will sell now, sell ourselves and then with giblets.


              Sorry dear. Salvage is a word that does not matter to Putin’s visit to Turkey. There is a strategic partnership here, but if not strategic, then regional. And MUTUAL economic cooperation, not loot. The whole world is primarily economic cooperation, And so from time immemorial this is the development of civilization.
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 5 December 2012 20: 45
                +1
                Beck,
                Your so-called civilization is a road to a dead end. Oh people open your eyes to all the evil done by amers with their sixes. Wake up.
                1. Bekzat
                  Bekzat 6 December 2012 11: 50
                  +2
                  For Gregory, people will wake up someday, but I'm afraid then it will be too late. Most people do not want to wake up. It's a pity.
          3. Selevc
            Selevc 5 December 2012 14: 52
            +3
            As for long-term and serious plans, Turkey is a clear opponent of Russia here ... If Turkey wants to be friends with Russia seriously and long-term, then why should the Amer Missile Defense?
            On any scales of economic, political and especially strategic Syria is a more profitable partner for Russia than Turkey - Syria will never even be a competitor to Russia in the long run and has no plans either for the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea or the Black Sea ... Syria, in contrast from Turkey never supported the Chechen separatists ...
            Anyway, having a small and strong ally close to Turkey is strategically beneficial for Russia and not beneficial for Turkey and Ankara is well aware that this is all the buzz and all these rebels ...

            And who told you that there is a dictatorial regime in Syria? And Turkey has been oppressing the same Kurds for many years, and they simply slaughtered Armenians at one time ...

            The fact that the Russian Navy base is not developed and equipped is a problem mainly of Russia itself ....

            And you can invest in the Syrian economy and develop infrastructure and industry ... In Syria, the huge gas reserves it develops among other things with the help of our specialists - that is, it gives our citizens excellent income. My relative has been working under a contract in Syria for many years on a gas field - in that part of the country where he works quietly - there are no scumbags - everyone is quiet and peaceful, people are happy and work peacefully ...

            In Syria, a lot of goods attractive to the Russian market and as a whole for the CIS market - there would be a desire to develop trade ....

            the support of a dictator who is at war with his people is so between things.


            Maybe you forgot that Turkey has been fighting for many years with part of its people - called the Kurds ...
            1. Beck
              Beck 5 December 2012 15: 39
              -2
              Quote: Selevc
              Syria, unlike Turkey, has never supported the Chechen separatists ..


              Do you have the text of official statements by Turkish leaders that they support the Wahhabis of the Caucasus? Some public, religious organizations may support, but this is not the Turkish government. In the 90 years, many free schools and madrassas sponsored by religious organizations of the Bloc of East and Iran were opened in Kazakhstan. They taught the basics of Islam and trained the Quran. (Then these schools closed). But those boys who studied today became young men and took up arms of extremism. And, what am I now to blame the governments of Iran, Syria, Bahrain, Egypt for the increasing incidence of extremism in Kazakhstan.

              Quote: Selevc
              In Syria, the huge reserves of gas that it, by the way, is developing with the help of our specialists


              But this is not at all profitable for Gazprom, which means Russia.

              Quote: Selevc
              Maybe you forgot that Turkey has been fighting for many years with part of its people - called the Kurds ...


              This is a very big question, to discuss it it is necessary to the appropriate topic. The Kurds fought not only in Turkey, but at one time they fought in Iraq, and in Syria, and in Iran. Here, with the collapse of colonialism after the Second World War, the UN for some reason did not endow the Kurds with its state, as it endowed the Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, and Jews.
              1. Saracen
                Saracen 5 December 2012 19: 25
                0
                Quote: Beck
                The UN for some reason did not endow the Kurds with its state

                the territory of the caliphate at one time was mainly divided by England, at its discretion, and left mines, Israel and the Kurds are one of them.
              2. Sandov
                Sandov 5 December 2012 20: 48
                0
                Beck,
                Regrettably, Turkey helped and is helping the enemies of Russia. Where in Tihari, and where openly.
          4. Yarbay
            Yarbay 5 December 2012 15: 12
            -3
            Quote: Beck

            The strategic mistake was that from the very beginning they began to support the dictatorship of Asadov.

            There’s not even a big question in Turkey! Look the whole Arab world went against Assad !!
            That is, having made a choice only in favor of Assad, Russia has narrowed the possibilities for maneuver in the future!
            1. Beck
              Beck 5 December 2012 15: 46
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              That is, having made a choice only in favor of Assad, Russia has narrowed the possibilities for maneuver in the future!


              I have already written about this several times. Russia from the USSR inherited a great influence in the Arab world. The main buyers of Soviet weapons were from there. But Russia with its support of the dictatorial regimes of Libya, Egypt, Tunisia has lost this influence. Now losing the last in Syria.

              Only now has the Kremlin realized this. Therefore, Putin went to Istanbul to have at least something in the region represented by Turkey. The Arab world for Russia is lost for many years. And you will have to make a lot of efforts to restore at least part of the past.
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 5 December 2012 20: 50
                0
                Beck,
                Then it would be nice to organize an orange revolution against the dictatorial regime of the amers and their sixes.
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 5 December 2012 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: WW3
      Syria’s air defense needs to be strengthened because NATO aggression will begin from the air .... this is the standard scenario

      There, apparently, Iran is training to destroy standard scenarios ... for the second time:
      "According to Rear Admiral Ali Fadawi, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps Navy, quoted by FNA, Iranian air defenses landed the plane as soon as it invaded Islamic Republic airspace. ScanEagle, presumably, the same one that was captured by the Iranians, and they move their fingers along the big map of the Persian, showing the route of its passage from the American aircraft carrier to the coast of Iran. By the way, on that map next to the emblem of the corps of the guards of the revolution the inscription is clearly read: “We will trample the USA!” Last December, Tehran also claimed that it had managed to land a drone with a computer attack RQ-170 Sentinelwho invaded the airspace of the Islamic Republic, only from the east, from Afghanistan. "http://www.kp.md/daily/25995/2924518/
      Interesting, it must be said, and useful experience ...
      1. WW3
        WW3 5 December 2012 11: 27
        +5
        Quote: Kaa
        Tehran also claimed that with a computer attack it managed to land a drone

        Well, unless in order to study the filling, useful experience, from now on you can simply knock down analogues, these are robots, and you don’t need to stand on ceremony ...
        By the way, Kaa, I came across a curious photo on the network .. rate it ...
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 December 2012 12: 14
          +3
          Quote: WW3
          I came across a curious photo on the network ..

          They already carry this "value" to the Senate ...
          1. WW3
            WW3 5 December 2012 12: 22
            +4
            Kaa, here they themselves will destroy themselves from the inside ... a mixture simmering how many races live in the USA there ... horror ... a civil war will inevitably come + state collapse ...
          2. Che
            Che 5 December 2012 14: 46
            +2
            Kaa,
            In America, fascist movements have always been strong. Until the very beginning, 2 MBs helped the aggressor.
        2. Eraser
          Eraser 5 December 2012 12: 18
          -4
          And look what a curious photo I found, rate it. wassat
          1. MG42
            MG42 5 December 2012 12: 29
            +4
            Quote: Eraser
            And look what a curious photo I found, rate

            By the way, in this Amer rock group, the musicians are Jewish and they have nothing to do with the Natsiks! am Learn materiel Eraser!
            Gene Simmons is a native of Israel, and Paul Stanley has Jewish roots, so the group's two regular members are Jews

            By the way, some songs are very good. wink
            1. Eraser
              Eraser 5 December 2012 12: 47
              -5
              Are you sure that the symbols in WW3 photo are related to SS Schutzstaffel, and not are the uppercase letters of the Sniper Scouts squad? Let him teach the materiel. bully
              1. MG42
                MG42 5 December 2012 13: 00
                0
                Eraser well, these are rock musicians, they are in the image and in makeup, and not the military, they have symbols inscribed in the word "kiss" - "kiss" in translation from English. For the military in the photo, it looks like "SS" like 2 drops of water.
                1. igor67
                  igor67 5 December 2012 13: 08
                  0
                  bred !!! u menya ne rabotaet trans lit na rabote, proshu proweniya, a vy MG42 naberite v GOOGLE o gruppe Kisss, i ee rukovoditele Simmons was born on August 25, 1949 in the city of Tirat Carmel, Israel. At the age of 8 years [2], together with his mother, Florence Klein, emigrated to New York. Florence and her brother, Larry Klein, were the only Holocaust survivors. Simmons father - Feri Weitz did not go with his family to the United States. After arriving in America, the young Chaim Weitz changed his name to Eugene Klein (later to Gene Klein), taking his mother's maiden name. In the late 60s, he took the name Simmons, in honor of Jumpin Gene Simmons - the legendary rock singer of the mid-3th century. [XNUMX]

                  In his first group, Simmons began playing as a teenager. The team was first called Lynx, and then changed its name to The Missing Links. In the end, Simmons dissolved the group and created another - The Long Island Sounds. During the game in these groups, he earned extra money trying to earn more money by making fanzines and selling used comics. Simmons studied for some time in college, and then joined the new group - Bullfrog Bheer - and recorded with her a demo song “Leeta”, which later became part of one of the Kiss box collections.

                  :
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 5 December 2012 13: 20
                    +2
                    And what did you mean by that? I do not know English perfectly, but most of their songs are just about love and sex.
                    1. igor67
                      igor67 5 December 2012 13: 24
                      +1
                      MG42,
                      In 2006, during the Second Lebanon War between Israel and Hezbollah, Simmons made a television message in English and Hebrew in support of an Israeli soldier seriously injured in a battle in Lebanon, calling him "his hero."

                      In November 2010, during CNN's Parker Spitzer program, Simmons said he regrets his vote for Barack Obama during the US presidential election. He criticized the 2009 American Health Care Reform, also noting that “by looking at the past you will not find someone less competent” than Obama. Gene added: “I do not want to see this government in my life” [9].

                      In May 2011, he directly accused Obama, who called on Israel to return to the 1967 borders, of infantilism and a lack of understanding of reality: "For a president sitting in Washington and saying 'Get out of your 67th borders," I want to pose the question: How about you go and live there, try to defend the undefended borders 9 miles wide? Going back to 67 is a nice idea. But as you grow up, you start to realize that life is not what you imagine. " [10] The musician also named The UN is “the most miserable organization on Earth” [11].
                      After his visit to Israel in 2011, Simmons called “stupid” musicians who, for political reasons, refuse to perform in this state. [12]

                      [edit] Work in film and television
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 5 December 2012 13: 38
                        +3
                        Well, where is the propaganda of fascism here? Eraser stuck sho horrible. belay Here is the picture below more real.
                      2. Eraser
                        Eraser 5 December 2012 14: 03
                        -5
                        I stuck the picture on purpose so that the person would think that the two letters ss stylized like lightning on the flag do not mean imitation of Ssovites. Do you understand? About the same KISS they write "Freley created the text logo (where he made the letters" SS "look like lightning bolts) when he went to paint the word Kiss on top of a poster of Wicked Lester near the club in which they were going to play. [14] Later, the visual similarity of these letters-lightning with the Sieg rune, which Nazi troops used in their SS symbols during World War II.In Germany, these symbols are prohibited, therefore, to avoid misunderstandings, most of the group's albums released after 1979 in Germany had a special edition of the cover, in which the letters 'SS' looked like a mirror image of 'ZZ'. Rumors accusing Kiss of Nazism were extremely ridiculous, since Gene Simmons is a native of Israel, and Paul Stanley is of Jewish roots, thus two permanent members of the group are Jews. "
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 5 December 2012 14: 12
                        +4
                        Rumors accusing Kiss of Nazism are utterly ridiculous
                        Let's stop this conversation not related to Syrian topics, eco brought you aside wink Write about Syria.
                      4. igor67
                        igor67 5 December 2012 14: 18
                        +3
                        MG42,
                        soglasen !!!! drinks
                      5. MG42
                        MG42 5 December 2012 14: 40
                        0
                        Quote: igor67
                        MG42, soglasen !!!!

                        I join +! drinks
                2. Eraser
                  Eraser 5 December 2012 13: 11
                  -7
                  Ok, the emoticon was not seen in my comment, my sarcasm was not understood. The military is just an emblem, not an attempt to imitate ss-sovtsami and they have been using it since 80 years. Here I add.
                  1. WW3
                    WW3 5 December 2012 13: 49
                    +4
                    Quote: Eraser
                    The military is just an emblem, not an attempt to imitate ss-sovtsami and they have been using it since 80 years

                    Eraser, well, not a damn "emblem"! Why did you hang out this amer's ... all the more so if the symbolism was ancient before Hitler's Germany, ... and since the 80s, they had someone to learn from ...
                  2. Sandov
                    Sandov 5 December 2012 20: 55
                    +2
                    Eraser,
                    Fascist junk! Well, amers have always been.
                    1. WW3
                      WW3 5 December 2012 21: 09
                      +4
                      Quote: Sandov
                      Eraser,
                      Fascist junk! Well, amers have always been.

                      100%! soldierin the top comment I wanted to write this amerskoe g "vno, but the site did not pass ...
                    2. Kaa
                      Kaa 6 December 2012 00: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Sandov
                      Fascist junk! Well, amers have always been.

                      This is where the roots of the current supposedly Muslim riots grow - caption 1960 !!!!, plans have long been hatched - "Eve Arnold, "American Nazis at Black Muslim Meeting, 1960"
        3. Volkhov
          Volkhov 5 December 2012 12: 59
          0
          Quote: WW3
          I came across a curious photo on the network .. evaluate ...


          Well, the Americans captured the SS banner, and they demonstrate control over drones - they break even in Africa. It’s just that in the Russian Federation they use very simple political decorations, and the 2nd world goes smoothly to 3, Reich number 4, the Germans are smarter, the Russians are simpler, have a little theater and a flood, the USA conquers a dry bite, carries junk through Ulyanovsk, the Putins populate Altai, and the rest - football and beer.
        4. Bekzat
          Bekzat 6 December 2012 11: 52
          +2
          For Serg, so continued
  2. sevl
    sevl 5 December 2012 07: 27
    -3
    Syria is doomed. She will be exhausted from the inside. They will supply terrorists to the territory of Syria and fuel them with money and weapons. Terror is the main line of US intelligence.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 5 December 2012 07: 44
      +7
      Quote: sevl
      Syria is doomed.

      From here the grandmother said in two. While Iran is safe and sound .....
      Quote: sevl
      They will supply terrorists to the territory of Syria and fuel them with money and weapons

      Well so it cannot last forever, will be exhausted. It all depends on Assad.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 07: 52
        +4
        Quote: Ustas

        Well so it cannot last forever, will be exhausted. It all depends on Assad.

        Assad’s forces are also not endless, but the financial resources of the US sixes are not small.
        1. Bykov.
          Bykov. 5 December 2012 08: 16
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Assad’s forces are also not endless, but the financial resources of the US sixes are not small.

          They have something to lose, or rather lose - EVERYTHING. And they understand this, in case of victory of "opposites" to all of them and their families - kerdyk. So push yourself hard. There is no simple choice.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 27
            +1
            Quote: Bulls.
            And they understand this, in case of victory of "opposites" to all of them and their families - kerdyk.

            This is little that changes!
            In extreme cases, seven will escape!
            1. Bykov.
              Bykov. 5 December 2012 08: 35
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              In extreme cases, seven will escape!

              For more than a year they have been fighting, who wanted to have already fled. Those who stayed are unlikely. Stumble
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 41
                -5
                Quote: Bulls.
                For more than a year they have been fighting, who wanted to have already fled. Those who stayed are unlikely. Stumble

                How to reproach when there will be no money, there will be no weapon, what are you talking about !!
                Many do not run because they cannot yet !!
                You think it's easy now !!
                Add that now many are looking for patrons and probably work for the special services of Western countries!
                Look in the affected areas almost every day kill influential politicians, journalists!
                Look, even the propaganda that Gromova writes already carries nonsense, once again completely liberated Damascus and Aleppo, and a day later again half of these cities are in the hands of the militants!
                This suggests one thing, not only mercenaries, but also forces within the country are opposing Assad, in order to correctly assess the situation, one must look at the real state of things!
                1. Bykov.
                  Bykov. 5 December 2012 08: 50
                  +4
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Look, even the propaganda that Gromova writes already carries nonsense, once again completely liberated Damascus and Aleppo, and a day later again half of these cities are in the hands of the militants!

                  I don’t know where you get the "info" from, and I don’t presume to judge whose propaganda it is. But ...
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  not only mercenaries, but also forces within the country confront Assad,

                  .... something does not seem that the Syrian "oppositionists" have a lot of support inside from the locals.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 57
                    -3
                    Quote: Bulls.
                    I don’t know where you get the "info" from, and I don’t presume to judge whose propaganda it is. But ..

                    How come, dear ??? from the news, even on our website !!
                    Quote: Bulls.
                    ..something does not seem that the Syrian "opposition" has a lot of support inside from the locals.
                    Does not look like it???))))
                    1. Bykov.
                      Bykov. 5 December 2012 09: 06
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      from the news, even on our website !!

                      We’re probably watching different news with you, I personally haven’t seen (... a shooting near the temple, an explosion in a motor vehicle .. acts of terrorism with victims from a peaceful life ...) or anything that would force the Syrians to comprehensively help to terrorists. Are they not masochists?
                      1. Saracen
                        Saracen 5 December 2012 17: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Bulls.
                        Are they not masochists?


                        Masochism will be silent and not avenge after this:

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYpPM2QYK4

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjfWFqXIAv0
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 08: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  This suggests one thing: not only mercenaries, but also forces within the country are opposing Assad

                  Alibek, these forces inside the country are paid very well, and they don’t produce weapons in bags in the basements. Stop the financial and armed flows and everything will end in a week.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov

                    Alibek, these forces inside the country are paid very well, and they don’t produce weapons in bags in the basements. Stop the financial and armed flows and in a week everything will end

                    Totally agree!
                    And not only pay, but also teach! Help, not only with weapons, but with everything you need!
                3. Ustas
                  Ustas 5 December 2012 09: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  This suggests one thing, not only mercenaries, but also forces within the country are opposing Assad, in order to correctly assess the situation, one must look at the real state of things!

                  And you, I see very happy.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 December 2012 10: 11
                    -2
                    Quote: Ustas
                    And you, I see very happy.

                    And how do you see it ????
                    The fact that you bury your head like ostriches in the sand and don’t notice the obvious, but I say what it means that I am happy ??
                    How many do not say halva in your mouth will not become sweeter !!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 08: 49
            +3
            Quote: Bulls.
            So it’s hard to stop. Just no choice.

            If it was a question of Russia, I would not doubt. The Russians stand to the end, and looking at the generals running across. I feel completely different. Syria will survive, only with the support of Russia, otherwise it is doomed.
            1. Bykov.
              Bykov. 5 December 2012 08: 53
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Syria will survive, only with the support of Russia, otherwise it is doomed.

              IT WOULD BE NICE. Otherwise, what is not finished off in Syria will "emerge" in the Caucasus.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 5 December 2012 09: 01
                -2
                Quote: Bulls.
                IT WOULD BE NICE. Otherwise, what is not finished off in Syria will "emerge" in the Caucasus.

                Borders must be kept under strict control and wah-hobbits to drive inside and no one will come up!
                1. Bykov.
                  Bykov. 5 December 2012 10: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Borders must be kept under strict control and wah-hobbits to drive inside and no one will come up!

                  When it "swims up" to the border, it may be, if not too late, then in any case more difficult and costly. It would be necessary to crush THIS ALL before the border, or to provide assistance to the allies in trouble, at the moment Syria.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 December 2012 10: 25
                    -1
                    Quote: Bulls.
                    When "swims up" to the border, it may be already, if not too late, then in every way cases are more difficult and costly

                    I’m unlikely to swim to the border!
                    In our country and in Kazakhstan, too, they are pressed not childishly !!
                    It’s just that in Russia you are given them to spread out and conduct propaganda !!
                    1. Bykov.
                      Bykov. 5 December 2012 15: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      It’s just that in Russia you are given them to spread out and conduct propaganda !!

                      Yes, recently and we have taken. Arrests and searches of HBT activists in Ufa, in Kazan, after known events. The arrest of a network of recruiters in Moscow may not always be noticeable; the specifics may be that of the special services.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 5 December 2012 15: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: Bulls.
                        Yes, recently and we have taken. Arrests and searches of HBT activists in Ufa, in Kazan, after known events. The arrest of a network of recruiters in Moscow may not always be noticeable; the specifics may be that of the special services.
                        I do not know!
                        Last year my friend came from Russia and told me with horror what he saw from you!
                        He said that in his city where there have never been Wahhabis, now they are full !!
                        It all started with guest workers from the Central Asian republics, that they didn’t work in large groups anywhere, just sat in mosques quietly quietly holding hands for XNUMX hours, then provoked fights, tantrums against which law enforcement bodies closed their eyes so that it would not look like * infringement *, but in my opinion, just to be away from the household!
                        Then normal people stopped going to those mosques and quietly quietly there the Wahhabis settled down!
                        Law enforcement agencies did not take any measures! And he says so in many cities, knowing him as an honest man, I have no doubt in his words!
                      2. Saracen
                        Saracen 5 December 2012 15: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: Bulls.
                        Yes, recently and we have taken. Arrests and searches of HBT activists in Ufa, in Kazan, after known events. The arrest of a network of recruiters in Moscow may not always be noticeable; the specifics may be that of the special services.

                        And in a couple of years they will apologize, they say the mistake came out and you are not terrorists, as happened with the Muslim Brotherhood, which, like Hizb ut-Tahrir, was included in the list of terrorist organizations.
                        The Supreme Court decided to overturn that ruling on the "brothers", and Lavrov made excuses that they were white and fluffy, it turns out.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 5 December 2012 09: 00
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              but looking at the running generals.

              And they keep running across!
              Given that these people are at the forefront, they have more information than you and me !!
              Nobody runs from the winning side!
              Even the Foreign Ministry speaker, who has been the face of the country these years, also fled !!
        2. alexng
          alexng 5 December 2012 08: 26
          +3
          Yes, in Syria, the people have already run out of patience and they are asking for weapons from the authorities to fight the militants. And if the militias join the government forces, then I think the mercenaries will have very hard times, and maybe even a skid comes. So the chickens in the fall are counted, and not by the hatching eggs.
          1. Saracen
            Saracen 5 December 2012 11: 41
            -3
            Quote: alexneg
            they ask for weapons in power to fight the militants.

            yeah, they (asadovtsy) do not give weapons to all units. Do you want people to be handed out?
            Yes, they distribute it to the Alawites - "shabiha" - these groups are called. and their Alawites% 10, and the rest of the population has even more hatred for Assad.
        3. sergey32
          sergey32 5 December 2012 08: 26
          +3
          Cuba has survived, Syria has a chance, if Russia supports it.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 25
        -2
        Quote: Ustas
        Well so it cannot last forever, will be exhausted. It all depends on Assad.

        Do not run out of gas !! Around Assad are mostly hostile countries and Assad will sooner get out of breath!
      3. Saracen
        Saracen 5 December 2012 11: 34
        -3
        Quote: Ustas
        It all depends on Assad.

        And where is he by the way. it’s the fifth day that they reported that he was soaked or leaked to Russia.
        Would please show him "alive or dead".
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 5 December 2012 13: 29
          +1
          Quote: Saracen
          And where is he by the way. it’s the fifth day that they reported that he was soaked or leaked to Russia.

          This is not true and everyone is well aware of this !!
          This is done solely in order to be able to establish where it happens and which routes to use !!
          And also so that psychologists can determine by his behavior, about his condition !!
          1. Saracen
            Saracen 5 December 2012 14: 26
            -3
            Michael Dorfman, writer (New York, USA):

            Ministers are also people. Could and fight. Especially in Istanbul, issues of settlement in Syria were discussed. Russian officials who recently met Bashar al-Assad unanimously say that he has lost hope of surviving. Putin proposed to the Turks and the opposition a plan according to which Assad will leave, and his place will be taken by Sunni Vice President Faruk Hasharaa. Apparently, this is too small and too late.

            This is an excerpt from this article: http://www.iarex.ru/news/31831.html
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 5 December 2012 21: 06
              +1
              Saracen,
              I wish Assad success in the fight against world evil, led by amers and fueled by the Saudis. And your info is completely false.
              1. Saracen
                Saracen 5 December 2012 22: 37
                -1
                Quote: Sandov
                Assad of success in the fight against world evil


                he was a representative of this evil, used against the people - PRESIK
                and the fate of every condom after use is a dump

                Quote: Sandov
                And your info is completely false.


                here is http://lenta.ru/articles/2012/12/05/chemistry/ from the latest reports on the future fate of prezik
        2. Sandov
          Sandov 6 December 2012 20: 38
          0
          Saracen,
          As mentioned above, destroys the Saracens from Libya and other Saudis. No need to be so bloodthirsty.
          1. igor67
            igor67 6 December 2012 20: 48
            +2
            Sandov,
            Gregory. good evening. maybe a question? tell me how Russian living in Russia differs from Russian living in Crimea, for example. or in Latvia, Estonia?
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 7 December 2012 22: 23
              0
              igor67,
              I think no different. Honestly, the nat question was not particularly interested.
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 5 December 2012 08: 08
      +3
      Quote: sevl
      Syria is doomed. She will be exhausted from the inside. They will supply terrorists to the territory of Syria and fuel them with money and weapons. Terror is the main line of US intelligence.

      The situation, of course, is difficult for them, but not hopeless. They have been at war with Assad for a year now, and they cannot capture and hold on to just one more or less significant piece of territory. I can’t create a bridgehead for a full-fledged invasion from outside, like Libya.
      And this is not looking at the pressure that is exerted on Syria
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 December 2012 08: 23
      -2
      Quote: sevl
      Syria is doomed. She will be exhausted from the inside. They will supply terrorists to the territory of Syria and fuel them with money and weapons. Terror is the main line of US intelligence.

      Alas, it is!
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 5 December 2012 08: 43
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        Alas, it is!

        Wait and see.
  3. Atlon
    Atlon 5 December 2012 07: 35
    +5
    America needs a big war in the region. It is desirable with world status. That's just, it is undesirable to take part ourselves ... The main thing here is to be above the battle, and organize some sort of new Lend-Lease. And there nobody will remember about the crisis ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 07: 44
      +3
      Quote: Atlon
      It is desirable with world status. That's just, it is undesirable to participate yourself ..

      How is this possible? We, unlike the United States, are not separated by a window, the fire of warriors will quickly spread across the region and stop oil supplies to dozens of countries. This is a global collapse with all the consequences, if you want to stand aside, it won’t work out. hi
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 5 December 2012 09: 34
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        How is this possible? We, unlike the United States, are not separated by a window, the fire of warriors will quickly spread across the region and stop oil supplies to dozens of countries. This is a global collapse with all the consequences, if you want to stand aside, it won’t work out.

        I wrote about the USA. In any case, we won’t stay over the fight, especially if it gets global status. As usual, to the Russian ordinary Van, to save the whole world ... It’s only in the movie Bruce Willis that saves the world, and in reality, the ordinary Russian Army Vanya.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 5 December 2012 10: 03
          -2
          I wonder how you imagine this new world war? If you move away from demagogy and think a little soberly, the Third World War will last a few hours and end with a Nuclear Winter - a catastrophe of planetary proportions ...

          If there is a serious conflict in the Middle East involving many parties, the main thing for Russia not participate in this !!! Let fools clash their foreheads and smart countries will benefit from this ... But at the same time, their few real allies (in particular Assad) need to be helped in full and not as modestly as they do ...

          And ordinary Vanya has long needed to work well and raise children and not fight - enough grandfathers and great-grandfathers have plenty of war !!!
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 5 December 2012 13: 51
            +3
            What is there to imagine? It is not in vain that the United States is forming a belt of chaos in the Middle East. And this is the zone of Russia's strategic interests. In addition, this is a zone close to the borders of Russia. Of course, it's good to watch from the outside, but what if after all these "revolutions" and "democratizations", Russia gets a seething cauldron on its southern borders, as well as the activation of militants in the Caucasus? And what kind of nuclear weapons can we talk about if the United States is de jure on the sidelines and de facto aggravate the situation by feeding the region with weapons and money? How can nuclear weapons be used in such conditions? And we have to rake this shit! For if the Caucasus, the Caspian and possibly Tatarstan break out, can you imagine the consequences of this fire? So whatever you say, Vanya will have to take up arms again ... Although I completely agree with you that he needs to work and give birth to children, and not to run around the battlefields with a Kalash. But such is our lot ... As long as the Naglo-Saxons are in good health, Russia (and the whole world) will not have peace! sad
  4. Ustas
    Ustas 5 December 2012 07: 40
    +5
    Russia and especially China only talk a lot.

    It’s time to finish the talking room and start supplying defensive weapons.
    They are in Turkey "Patriot", we are weapons against them.
    New weapons must be tested in real combat.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 5 December 2012 08: 26
      +4
      Ustas,
      Alexander Romanov,
      Greetings Genadiy, Sasha! Absolutely! Assad needs to be helped.
      And on the other hand, how do we know what is going through Iran now and where !?
      wink
      As you can see from the article, all these Western "supermen" are just waiting for signals from the United States, which in turn are in no hurry to fight on several fronts.
      "Big Brother" is no longer the same!
      In any case, time now plays only in the hands of Asdu, and not against him!
      Last yesterday’s bombardment of a school where 30 children died, the opposition will not add pluses either. , and even more will unite the Syrian people and showed all the bestial snout of these bandits to the whole world!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 December 2012 08: 40
        +3
        Quote: sergo0000
        Last yesterday’s bombardment of a school where 30 children died, the opposition will not add pluses either. , and even more will unite the Syrian people and showed all the bestial snout of these bandits to the whole world!

        Hi Sergey. I was even surprised that Washington has not yet blamed Assad for this, maybe they have not woken up yet. what it is a pity that our Foreign Ministry is silent and does not cure these "revolutionaries".
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 5 December 2012 09: 07
          0
          Alexander Romanov,
          I would not be surprised if these prodazhnye zhurnalyugi write that this is the army of Assad. fired at school!
          How with that village in Syria in the spring, remember !?
      2. Ustas
        Ustas 5 December 2012 08: 48
        +1
        Quote: sergo0000
        Assad needs to be helped.

        Hello, Sergey!
        Russia simply has no other way. The end of Syria, the beginning of preparations for the invasion of Russia.
        1. Saracen
          Saracen 5 December 2012 11: 26
          -2
          Quote: Ustas
          Russia simply has no other way

          Russia will help Syria as much as the United States needs, and this is necessary until they find a replacement for Assad.
          In Russia, the Muslim Brotherhood was included in the list of terrorist organizations, and now the Supreme Court is overturning this decision. and what has changed?
    2. Bykov.
      Bykov. 5 December 2012 08: 27
      +2
      Quote: Ustas
      It’s time to finish the talking room and start supplying defensive weapons.

      And by sea, to Tartus, and not "quietly" on civil aircraft.
  5. TRex
    TRex 5 December 2012 09: 08
    +5
    "from Turkish territory they can shoot down planes over most of Syria" - This author wrote about an air defense system with a range of 160 km.
    I want to tell a friend - look at the globe and learn geography of the country you are broadcasting about.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 December 2012 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: TRex
      I would like to tell a friend - look at the globe and learn the geography of the country you are broadcasting about.

      Designated + !!!
  6. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 5 December 2012 09: 25
    +2
    How long will this political boulevard from the Syrian opposition last? True, we noticed, as long as there is an army of young and unemployed, they will be hired for green paper and sent to death like meat ... BUT !!!! Criminal groups can be eradicated, but what about the STATE BANDIT? for the root of evil is there ... and whatever one may say, the population of countries such as the USA, FRANCE, ENGLAND, QATAR, TURKEY and the entire alliance is responsible for the policies pursued by their leaders, for terrorist attacks in Syria, for millions of people who died worldwide from starvation , diseases and wars ... For many thousands of years the east and the west have been confronting ... WHEN FINALLY THIS SYSTEM OF STATE CONSTRUCTION WHERE A HANDLE OF BUMERS WILL DECIDE THE DESTINIES OF COUNTRIES AND CITIES WILL STOP EXISTING ?! How long will we humans remain a herd? I think that the reason is much deeper than it is customary to talk about it.
    1. Saracen
      Saracen 5 December 2012 11: 20
      -2
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      It is true that, as long as there is an army of young and unemployed, they will be hired for green paper and sent to death like meat.

      The United States and free tuition at universities, and benefits, and accelerated citizenship, were allowed to fagots, women were allowed access to women where they hadn’t been taken before, and still lack of replenishment and outflow of military personnel. And such grandmas pay.
      KILL FOR MONEY - BUT DIE FOR MONEY .....
      And history has shown that mercenaries are fighting for the most part and are winning, and when the situation changes they are the first to run.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 5 December 2012 21: 12
      0
      KAZAKHSTAN,
      Our whole story simply cries out about violence and injustice by the created Angels. Whatever country to take everywhere these ub-lu-d-wasps inherited.
  7. DEfindER
    DEfindER 5 December 2012 12: 08
    +2
    No matter what they say, but to overthrow Assad, they will have to cut out almost the entire Syrian people, tk. more and more often I hear in the news a phrase like: "army units, together with people's self-defense squads, carried out a sweep in such an area, or stormed an area controlled by militants .."
    And the people really have nowhere to go or join squads, or death .. all the more so those who have lost their loved ones go to such popular militias!
  8. Saracen
    Saracen 5 December 2012 12: 16
    -3
    Quote: DEfindER
    national self-defense squads carried out a sweep

    Shabiha (Arabic: الشبيحة, from the root شبح “ghost”) is an informal term roughly translated as “bandits.” It was widely known during the civil war in Syria, when the Syrian opposition and foreigners began to call Shabiha informal armed groups that support President Bashar al-Assad and used to intimidate the opposition and carry out punitive operations. It is believed that the Alabites make up the core of the Shabih.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 5 December 2012 13: 19
      +1
      And why such terms - "bandits and informal armed formations" if they support a legitimate government?

      This is very similar to the American style - to turn everything upside down if it suits them ... If the government is not profitable - then we will call it a regime, if the militias on the enemy’s side will call them bandits and illegal groups, if any hired zbrod is fighting against Assad - you can call it noble rebels or even better the opposition, and if the rebels become unnecessary they will instantly be called terrorists or even worse Al Qaeda ...

      In politics, the terms are not important - black can be called white and vice versa ...
      Actions are important ...
      1. Saracen
        Saracen 5 December 2012 14: 34
        -2
        Quote: Selevc
        "bandits and informal armed groups


        bandits - because before the war, they were the Alawite mafia (organized crime group)
        informal - because there is no such officer. Syrian formations.

        about a rebel mercenary - this is "if ours is a scout, if theirs is a spy."
        a mercenary is someone who receives payment, and in order to call someone this, you need to provide invoices, receipts.
        And such terms as volunteers, internationalists recall.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 5 December 2012 15: 13
          0
          informal - because there is no such officer. Syrian formations.


          And how do you know that they were not formed officially - that Assad himself reported to you?

          Naturally, no one will give an account and a receipt to anyone - it is the same as if the United States had at one time demanded a receipt from the Afghan mujahideen ... Providing a receipt to a mercenary means revealing the secrecy of the operation - there have never been such fools in any country ... Everything is paid simply - in cash - as it has been for centuries ...
          1. Saracen
            Saracen 5 December 2012 15: 50
            -2
            Quote: Selevc
            - that Assad himself reported to you


            first prove the legitimacy of something, and if this is not in the law, then it is illegal. You know the law on the basis of which "shabiha" is a subdivision of the Armed Forces or the Ministry of Internal Affairs. ?


            Quote: Selevc
            it’s the same as if the USA at one time demanded receipts from Afghan mujahideen

            they just demanded, and then this list was announced by al-Qaeda.

            Quote: Selevc
            Naturally, no one will provide anyone with an invoice and receipt

            it means that it’s not proved that they are mercenaries, and there was no court with recognition
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 6 December 2012 09: 32
              0
              Quote: Saracen
              first prove the legitimacy of something, and if this is not in the law, then it is illegal. You know the law on the basis of which "shabiha" is a subdivision of the Armed Forces or the Ministry of Internal Affairs. ?


              Did you even read my post? I wrote that these squads are fighting together, which means that under the control of legitimate army units, where is the illegality? Or do you want to say that the partisan detachments of the Second World War were also illegal? Well, according to Goebels, of course, yes.
          2. Saracen
            Saracen 5 December 2012 17: 13
            -3
            Quote: Selevc
            Everything is paid simply - in cash


            Here is the cash for which rebels and volunteers in Syria are fighting:


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJYpPM2QYK4

            Unlike you, they speak most of the (from Morocco to Indonesia) Arabic and understand what is happening. And while such a thing happens, the rivers of volunteers will not run out.
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 5 December 2012 21: 16
              -1
              Saracen,
              They will get in turnips and these rivers will run out.
              1. Saracen
                Saracen 5 December 2012 22: 38
                -1
                Quote: Sandov
                They will get in turnips and these rivers will run out.


                judge people by yourself ???
  9. wax
    wax 5 December 2012 13: 12
    +2
    In general, Syria is already an undefeated country, even if Assad is killed by British commandos. For defeat is, first of all, a defeat of the spirit.
  10. Yarbay
    Yarbay 5 December 2012 16: 54
    +2
    SUPER NEWS !!!
    DONE !!!!
    FINALLY, THE SAUDITES WERE NOSE
    The prince of Saudi Arabia transported 49 falcons to the territory of Russia for hunting, including 16 rare species, according to Rosprirodnadzor. Now a member of the royal family, the deputy foreign minister, is accused of smuggling. Between Moscow and Riyadh, an international scandal is brewing.

    The royal family on their private plane arrived in Russia to participate in the bird exhibition, which takes place in Kalmykia. The scandal erupted after Rosprirodnadzor found out that the Saudi prince illegally transported 49 falcons for hunting - among them were 16 rare species: 4 peregrine falcons, 1 gyrfalcon, 5 hybrids of a gyrfalcon with a booth and 6 hybrids of a peregrine falcon.

    Birds were seized from Mohammad Al Kabir, but Rosprirodnadzor could not detain the prince himself, since he is the deputy minister of foreign affairs for multilateral relations, which means that he is an inviolable person. But the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia was notified of the fact of illegal import by a high-ranking official of another country into the territory of Russia of rare birds.

    Tonight, the prince must leave the country - while Rosprirodnadzor is doing everything possible to prevent him.
    http://news.rambler.ru/16665150/
    1. Saracen
      Saracen 5 December 2012 18: 19
      -3
      will let go and still apologize
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 5 December 2012 21: 17
      +1
      Yarbay,
      It would be nice if he broke our way. so that such a louse does not cure.
  11. Alina sema
    Alina sema 6 December 2012 17: 45
    -1
    there are a lot of errors in the article. the author does not interfere with visiting Syria
    1. Syrian rebels attack everything ruled by military bases (they need weapons and equipment), special emphasis is placed on air force bases since it is the air bombs that cause the most damage and casualties
    2. Kurds-Christians-Alavites do not make up half of the population of Syria. This is, to put it mildly, an incorrect assumption. And not all of them unequivocally support Assad.
    3. not to intervene now means to let the situation take its course and "God forbid" the Syrians themselves, who are not controlled by anyone or anything, will get to power in Syria ... because the West is in a hurry ... although, I hope, it will not have time ...
    http://www.ayyam.org/russian/?p=1907