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"Izhmash" increases arms sales in the US

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The largest buyer of Izhevsk weapons Abroad today are the United States. According to the information in the official press release of the company and was conveyed to the media during the press conference of Alexander Kosov, over the 9 months of 2012, the export of civilian small arms by Izhmash increased by 60% compared to 2011, and amounted to 483,7 million rubles. Over the 9 months of 2012 of the year, the Izhevsk enterprise supplied for the export of weapons in the amount of 12 times the figures of the same period of the 2010 of the year.

It is significant that one of the largest foreign buyers of the Izhevsk arms factory is the United States - a country that spends the development of modern weapons most in the world. According to Alexander Kosov, interim director general of Izhmash, recently Izhmash has significantly strengthened its position in the market, largely due to the fact that the company has come under the management of the state corporation Russian Technologies. In the course of the reorganization, the enterprise’s asset structure became extremely transparent, many offshore companies and gaskets were liquidated, in which profits settled, the process of modernization of production facilities began, work is underway to improve working conditions and product quality.

Currently, 83% of all exported weapons are from the United States. At the same time, for the 9 months of 2012, the company managed to increase exports to Italy - by 84%, to Germany - by 77%, to the USA - by 62% compared to the same period of 2011. In addition to these countries, the largest exporters of Izhevsk products are Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Pakistan. According to forecasts, the volume of exports of civilian weapons on the basis of 2012 of the year may amount to 665 million rubles.
"Izhmash" increases arms sales in the US
Saiga-12 performed for practical shooting

At the same time, the growth of export of products is not to the detriment of the domestic Russian market. For 9 months, 2012 was sold in Russia by 32,7% more than during the same period last year. The total production at the enterprise in the 9 months of 2012 amounted to 2,7 billion rubles compared to 1,6 billion rubles in 2010 year. At the same time, the temporary director general of Izhmash refused to talk about the ratio in the export of military and civilian products. If we talk about the state defense order, then most of the contracts are executed. At the same time, the enterprise does not count much on orders from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, since the stocks of Kalashnikov assault rifles in military warehouses are enormous. According to Gazeta.Ru sources, in 2012, the military ordered only 10 000 machines in Izhevsk.

Currently, abroad, including in the USA, smooth-bore and rifled Saiga hunting and police rifles are in increasing demand. In the West, they are quite steady in demand. Izhevsk weapons attracted American weapons lovers not only because of their historical significance - the famous Kalashnikov assault rifle was used as the main weapon in a huge number of conflicts around the world - but also because of the very high reliability of the products and the simplicity of its operation.

Former marine Josh Laura, who is currently assembling garage doors and lives in Maryville in Tennessee, says he acquired Saiga because it was released in Russia, next to AK's big brother. According to him, no gun in the world can compare with him in terms of reliability. Terry Sandlin also works as an electrician in Scottsburg, Indiana. He has three “Saigas” in his house - one rifle and 2 smooth-bore carbines. According to him, “Saiga”, in its versatility and quality, is far from its direct competitors in the market.

Despite the fact that the civilian version of Kalashnikov cannot conduct continuous fire - shoot in bursts - without repeated triggers on the trigger (which is a feature of only full-fledged automata) - in almost all other details "Saiga" is similar to Izhevsk military products. "Izhmash" cooperates with the importing company, which is engaged in the modification of weapons, increasing the capacity of stores and adding a pistol grip, for sales in those states where these modifications are allowed.
Alexander Kosov at the "Arms & Hunting" exhibition

At the same time, "Izhmash" expects to present novelties based on AK-12 on the civilian market even before the new Kalashnikov passes all state tests. Engaging in the creation of civilian versions in the factory will be in parallel with the development and bringing to mind the AK-12. The temporary general director of Izhmash, Alexander Kosov, has already told reporters that the new Saiga carbines with AK-12 mechanics will be on the market in the summer of 2013, they have no doubt at the factory that they will be able to interest the consumer with their new products.

Around the same summer, the 2013 of the year in Izhevsk is planning to introduce a new Kalashnikov assault rifle for state tests. At the present time, the second prototype AK-12 has passed preliminary tests. From the answer to the question of journalists, whether the new machine will be sold on world markets immediately after entering mass production, Kosov declined. Noting that it is necessary to ask those who are engaged in the sale of weapons - Rosoboronexport.

Alexander Kosov also said that at present the enterprise is working on the development of fundamentally new models of civilian weapons. “Today, at Izhmash, we are thinking of how to implement balanced mechanics on a smooth trunk,” said Kosov. In Izhevsk today, the production of weapons with balanced automatics has been set up - in particular, AK-107, AK-108 and AN-94 assault rifles, known as "Abakan" or Nikonov's submachine gun. The use of balanced automation gives a significant increase in the accuracy of fire, but at the same time automatic machines with such mechanics are not widely used due to the rather complex design.
AK-12

High hopes at the plant and impose on a promising machine AK-12. It is known that the Ministry of Defense of Russia refused to purchase old models of AK machine guns, not in 2012 and not in 2011, but for quite some time. The purchases were stopped not because the weapons did not satisfy the increased demands from the military (although this is true), but because a huge number of different AK versions accumulated in the military warehouses. According to official information on the order of 17 million trunks, according to unofficial data, there may be more automata in 3 times. At the same time, the Russian army, even within the framework of a sufficiently large local conflict, will not need more than 500-700 thousands of small arms. Where to put the rest, nobody knows yet. At the same time, it is clear that producing new barrels is simply meaningless. Experts today are laughing, on "Izhmash" is the world's largest conveyor for the production of Kalashnikov assault rifles. If necessary, there will be able to rivet a huge number of machines, but the trouble is that more is no longer necessary. Others are a new weapon - modern and more efficient than the old AK-74 and its derivatives.

Such a weapon is already in the making, and the second AK-12 prototype recently passed a series of tests at TsNIItochmash in the town of Klimovsk near Moscow. In this institute tests of all small arms, which are produced in Russia, are carried out. It is here that the rifled and smooth-bore weapons are given a green light and a start in life. Initially, the media reported that TSNIItochmash made up a fairly large list of shortcomings and flaws in the new Kalash, but this information should not be taken too seriously. All specialists know that tests of new types of equipment, be it a car or an automatic, are in order to identify the maximum number of flaws and then eliminate all the identified flaws and roughness that designers and engineers could miss.

AK-12, tested in Klimovsk, was the second prototype of Izhevsk news. By the summer of 2013, the third prototype will be ready, in which the deficiencies identified at TsNIItochmash will be eliminated. This third version is supposed to be sent to conduct military trials. But even after that, the fourth prototype will be released, which will be handed over to state trials, and only after their successful completion can the new product be sent to the troops. At the same time, the army is ready to buy a new machine only if it is at 30-40% surpasses the world-famous AK-47 and AK-74 models, as well as AK hundredth and two-hundredth series and their modifications, in terms of efficiency and reliability. You also need to clearly understand that the special forces soldier, contract soldier and conscript soldier need different types of automatic small arms.
AK-74 one of the upgrade options

Some of them need a simpler machine gun, but as reliable as the current AK, someone more difficult, but more effective, with greater accuracy. An example of a specialized machine can be called the same "Abakan" with balanced mechanics. It is still produced, but only in small batches. This happens because there are not so many special forces and contract soldiers, especially among motorized infantry, who could successfully manage their personal weapons and treat them as carefully as possible. No wonder they say that the weapon is the second heart of a soldier, it is impossible not to take care of him.

If we talk about those 17 million Kalashnikov assault rifles that managed to accumulate in the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, then no one is going to sink them in the ocean. Vyuhivat these machines army, as the Kosov himself put it, also will not. Part of this arsenal will be put on the world arms market in order to bring down the wave of Bulgarian, Chinese and other counterfeit goods, while the rest can be modernized. At present, the 4 version of the AK-74 modernization option has already been created at Izhmash, the most complex of which is the factory version. With such an upgrade, it is planned to replace the bolt cover, on which the Pikatini plate is installed, and then a variety of additional equipment is installed on it - optical and night sights, rifle grenade launchers, collimators.

Tests of the new AK-74 with extended factory upgrades are also conducted at TsNIItochmash. In addition, Izhevsk Arms Plant received an order to create a new cartridge for the Kalashnikov assault rifle. An automatic machine with a cartridge is already a whole complex, where one cannot exist without the other. An effective and powerful weapon requires a new, effective and powerful cartridge, which is planned to be developed.

Information sources:
-http: //izhmash.ru/rus/news/291112.shtml
-http: //www.inosmi.ru/army/20120818/196827282.html
-http: //vpk.name/news/79922_izhmash_rabotaet_na_ssha.html
-http: //vpk.name/news/79923_pervaya_ochered_kalashnikova_dlya_ameriki.html
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 4 December 2012 07: 27
    +9
    Glad for Izhmazh and glad for the United States! Soon they will know what a civil war is!
    1. Nubia2
      Nubia2 4 December 2012 08: 48
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Soon they will know what a civil war is!

      They already know this.
    2. Joker
      Joker 4 December 2012 13: 55
      +4
      Maxim, the profit of Izhmash, even the rainbow, is the real penny, such an enterprise of at least billions of 5 should have profits.
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 4 December 2012 14: 54
        +6
        Here is the beauty, imagine our Russian Weapons will wet the Americans, and we will not be anything for it, except money!
        1. orfo
          orfo 4 December 2012 22: 16
          0
          right now they have old AKs in fashion, if some have 5 units each, then it's scary to imagine so much on them.
        2. edge
          edge 6 December 2012 03: 39
          -2
          it would be necessary for them to throw grenade launchers with grenades and rpg-shek and more, more, more out of kindness.
    3. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 4 December 2012 13: 56
      0
      Most likely they will remember the well-forgotten old
    4. prunx
      prunx 4 December 2012 22: 21
      +6
      Quote: tronin.maxim

      Glad for Izhmazh and glad for the United States! Soon they will know what a civil war is!

      It is strange that you rejoice at the death of people like you and me. Believe me, those guilty of the lawlessness that is happening in the USA and in the world are unlikely to suffer in a civil war. They, on the contrary, are only at hand of war.
    5. Sleptsoff
      Sleptsoff 5 December 2012 16: 35
      +1
      Nothing will start there, the people there are zombie abruptly ours, and if any analogue of our marshland begins, they will cut it on the vine and hard.
  2. snek
    snek 4 December 2012 08: 02
    +5
    Well, given that in the United States weapons in many states, possession of weapons is permitted almost from the moment they were founded, they have already developed a culture of handling it and a rating system, so what pleases ours is pleasing.
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Soon they will know what a civil war is!

    Here is a nearby article about conspiracy theories — it's somewhere in those steppes.
  3. _Igor_
    _Igor_ 4 December 2012 08: 10
    +1
    Part of this arsenal will be put on the world arms market in order to bring down a wave of Bulgarian, Chinese and other counterfeit goods, while the rest can be modernized. At present, 4 variants of AK-74 modernization have already been created at Izhmash - the most complex of which is factory-built.

    it is advisable not to throw out the entire batch but in portions, so that it doesn’t work out that they just knocked down the price and didn’t earn money and did not crush the competitors (((

    In addition, the Izhevsk arms factory received an order to create a new cartridge for a Kalashnikov assault rifle of a new series. An automatic machine along with a cartridge is already a whole complex where one cannot exist without the other. An effective and powerful weapon needs a new effective and powerful cartridge, which is planned to be developed.

    It is high time. you can’t stand still, in the current situation, standing still is the same as going back
    The main thing is that these initiatives do not remain paper
    1. Joker
      Joker 4 December 2012 14: 01
      0
      I did not understand a little, AK a new series is which? 12-th or something else is developing?
      Around the same summer, the 2013 of the year in Izhevsk is planning to introduce a new Kalashnikov assault rifle for state tests. At the present time, the second prototype AK-12 has passed preliminary tests.

      It is said ambiguously, the new prototype AK-12 or even a new new machine?
      In addition, Izhevsk Arms Plant received an order to create a new cartridge for the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

      That's right, you need to go to 6.8, it has already been developed, so you don’t need to invent a bicycle. Again, if we move to a new caliber, then why the hell did the AK-74 modernize? Would sell better. And again, the Kalashnikov assault rifle is what? Oh, it’s not clear damn, I’d say right away that in the end AK-12 will have an automatic with a new caliber, or that AK-12 is for sale abroad, while we are doing something new for a new cartridge, and everything has become mixed up and there are more questions than replies.
      1. Chaplain
        Chaplain 4 December 2012 18: 49
        +2
        Yeah, we didn’t have to invent a bicycle before, 7.62 + modern technologies and we get: a modern, powerful, reliable cartridge with an acceptable shot energy.
      2. Alexander
        Alexander 5 December 2012 14: 57
        0
        The author had in mind that a cartridge will be developed, thanks to which the machine will have less impact. As for the caliber, it was 5.45 so it will be ...
        1. edge
          edge 6 December 2012 03: 43
          0
          we are talking about a caliber of 6,5-6,8 mm; in the mid-70s, we had a study - the result was interesting and encouraging.
    2. Chaplain
      Chaplain 4 December 2012 18: 45
      0
      Igor I have so many pluses request more than agree!
  4. Forget
    Forget 4 December 2012 08: 29
    +2
    the largest exporters of Izhevsk products are Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Pakistan

    ... maybe importers?
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 4 December 2012 13: 58
      0
      Export - Export
      Import - Import
      Yes, the author’s mistake is most likely here, although Ukraine uses Soviet achievements.
  5. Rashid
    Rashid 4 December 2012 09: 37
    0
    There was news recently that the US Senate has banned cooperation with Rosoboronexport. I wonder if this will affect the supplies of "Saiga"?
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 4 December 2012 11: 36
      0
      Quote: Rashid
      I wonder if this will affect the supplies of "Saiga"?

      Considering yesterday's article about the new uniform for the army, the slogan "Weapons in exchange for uniforms" suggests itself lol
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 4 December 2012 12: 15
      0
      The Pentagon did not purchase the Saiga. In the states, private traders buy it, and some of the cops are on trial. The cops do not belong to the Pentagon, Saiga is not sold through Rosoboronexport, and the Senate has banned only the Pentagon's cooperation with this particular structure.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 16: 24
        +1
        Pimply hi

        Quote: Pimply
        and one of the cops on trial


        it is so and if earlier it was some private initiatives of amers, then in January of this year in Las Vegas, during the international specialized exhibition “Shot Show”, everything became more serious:
        .. Izhmash representatives managed to conclude a contract for the supply of smooth-bore semi-automatic rifles with a store supply of "Saiga-12" to the US police ....

        Quote: Pimply
        Saiga is not sold through Rosoboronexport


        and again your truth wink :
        ... As part of the Shot Show, negotiations were held with foreign partners. NPO Izhmash chose an exclusive importer in the American market - the Russian Weapon Company, and Fime Group, a partner in the production of classic weapon models. The parties agreed on terms of supply, procurement volumes and a strategy for promoting Izhevsk weapons on the American market ...
  6. bazilio
    bazilio 4 December 2012 09: 50
    +1
    "new Saiga carbines with AK-12 mechanics "

    Well there for AK12 mechanics will be. In appearance, the differences that are noticeable are a window for ejecting cartridges and a reload handle, well, a fuse control.

    And the fact that they are massively exported is good. Mainly there will be funds for those. re-equipment of the plant. In addition, such a stormy demand, ideally, should please the supply, that is, the expansion and renewal of the range of manufactured "products"
    1. bunta
      bunta 4 December 2012 13: 03
      0
      Quote: bazilio
      Well there for the mechanics of the AK12 will be

      Cutoff on 3 cartridge love
      1. SIT
        SIT 5 December 2012 12: 33
        0
        Quote: bunta
        Cutoff on 3 cartridge

        Controversial innovation. US marine corps abandoned the M4 with such an innovation, because there was a dip at the end of the descent when firing single shots and the accuracy dropped. And finally, I put the fuse on the machine, pulled the trigger and said "mom". While you say 3 bullets will fly away))) Checked.)))
        1. bunta
          bunta 5 December 2012 12: 52
          0
          Quote: SIT
          Controversial innovation.


          And not the only one.
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 5 December 2012 18: 42
          0
          and you tried three rounds of 12 gauge cartridges. where will the barrel go. and the ability to recharge from 2 sides and shutter lag = color
        3. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 21 December 2012 14: 32
          0
          So it is about the "Saiga", not about the machines. With “Saiga”, why say “mother”, just what if it wouldn't be scary?
  7. understudy
    understudy 4 December 2012 10: 21
    +5
    Currently, 83% of all weapons exported are from the United States..

    Personally, such news does not please me, because you are faced with the question: either envy the amers, or malice in the direction of their own rulers?
    Funds appear for the re-equipment of the plant? Yeah! Schazzzz ... The situation with wooden eyes from the defense department and other hiding places clearly shows where the pennies go. So alas ...
  8. cvx
    cvx 4 December 2012 10: 23
    +5
    The scheme of the Nikonov AN-94 assault rifle, or "Abakan" as the author calls it, is based on the principle of not balanced automation, but the so-called. free-gate shifted pulse or accumulated pulse. These are two completely different schemes of automation.
    1. bunta
      bunta 4 December 2012 13: 04
      0
      Quote: cvx
      as the author calls it,

      which speaks of his competence in this matter. Therefore, the article is a minus.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 4 December 2012 14: 14
        +1
        The name Abakan was assigned to An-94 at the end of the competition of the same name, so the author is right, An-94 "Abakan" is its full name.
      2. edge
        edge 6 December 2012 03: 47
        0
        admits the author of a mistake in terminology, well, he is a browser, not a pro ........
  9. omsbon
    omsbon 4 December 2012 10: 38
    +3
    I have a "saiga" and all the praise for this weapon I CONFIRM!
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 4 December 2012 14: 15
      0
      I have a Tiger, a heavy bastard, but also nothing.
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 5 December 2012 13: 32
      0
      But I’m just considering buying a Saiga-12. And for some reason I always come across infa here and there ... A little more and I will mature. That's just ... I looked at prices, a little expensive Saiga for the domestic market. :(
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 5 December 2012 14: 02
        0
        Atlon
        comrades from the states write that there she goes 2 100 and higher what .
  10. rkka
    rkka 4 December 2012 10: 42
    -10
    the new machine will be 30-40% more efficient and reliable than the world-famous AK-47 and AK-74
    It's hard to believe. Suspended on grandfather ryushechik and want to beat out the state order. I read an article somewhere that all the juices had already been squeezed out of the AK, and there would be no sense in not hanging it.
    Well, why is it so difficult to look at Western samples and make, in the image and likeness, a modular shooting complex under a new cartridge?
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 4 December 2012 14: 24
      +7
      do you think something new abroad? yes, the same hanging "ruchechek" as you put it (optics, ball. calculators, lasers, etc. mutate) England and Germany are firmly sitting on the G-36, which in turn is a modernized version of the ar-15, France uses the old man famas, Canada ar-15, Israel generally uses galil, and this is a cover version of the AK under the NATO patron, Georgia uses what they give, well, the Chinese and Japanese are muddy, the east is a delicate matter, however) so everyone uses old, proven systems from 30 years old and older , and yes, I almost forgot the Amers use the M-4 - a shortened version of the M-16, and the M-16 also does not disdain, there is also an AUG, but it shoots from an open bolt and cannot call it a weapon of the future.
      By the way, minus is not my business, at not me request
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 15: 01
        0
        cth; fyn hi
        this is a "kungfu theorist" as Yura the musician sang, such is the only talk:
        Quote: rkka
        Why is it so hard to look at western samples

        but as a rule they do not own the material. As soon as you take a jacket by the button and ask, let's say about the fate of such a Western model as, well, for example, the British "lakha" - so immediately, collapse.
        1. rkka
          rkka 4 December 2012 16: 26
          -1
          Quote: Karlsonn
          this is a "kung fu theorist"

          Well, that’s why it’s a discussion, in order to get sensible comments from you, such "Wikipedias", and you start to argue, they say the fools are gathered. ... ...
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 4 December 2012 16: 35
            -1
            rkka hi
            Sorry if I got carried away, just on topics such as:
            Quote: rkka
            all juices have already been squeezed out of AK


            Quote: rkka
            Hung up on grandpa

            already a thousand and more than once was negotiated.
      2. Manager
        Manager 4 December 2012 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: cth; fyn
        Israel generally galil yuzat


        Israel uses TAR 21 ... And this is more serious than Galil.

        And in the article they completely forgot about AEK 971. And this is already much better than AK 12 and there is a prototype for a long time
    2. edge
      edge 6 December 2012 03: 51
      0
      rkka,
      nonsense, let these crap ..... ts copy our weapons, because they are afraid of him .......
  11. kush62
    kush62 4 December 2012 10: 45
    0
    We know how, when they do not interfere.
  12. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 4 December 2012 11: 18
    +2
    It's hard to believe. Suspended on grandfather ryushechik and want to beat out the state order. I read an article somewhere that all the juices had already been squeezed out of the AK, and there would be no sense in not hanging it.

    Well said - an article. "Kalash" is a brand and it did not appear from scratch. He won authority for himself not with ruffles, but with his simplicity and non-wovenness in real combat. Therefore, it is currently number 1 in the world. It is a fact. And gentlemen Americans confirm this once again. (And also those countries that not only have it in service but also forge tens of thousands). And it is a normal practice all over the world to modernize any kind of equipment. Of course there are new developments, more modern, but the "old man" will still serve. As they say, "there is still gunpowder in the flasks and berries in the buttocks."
    Well, and what needs to be equated (in the creation of automatic, in particular, and small arms in general) weapons to the west, wander in their tail and eat up their leftovers - No comments.
    1. rkka
      rkka 4 December 2012 12: 46
      -1
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      but the "old man" will still serve. As they say "there is still gunpowder in the flasks and berries in the buttocks"
      Time is not right. Replacing armies attacking with AK, tactical groups with high-precision and effective weapons come.
      AK is undoubtedly a weapon symbol of the twentieth century, but its time is running out. Remember the Crimean War?

      Quote: Shkodnik65
      Well, what needs to be equated (in the creation of automatic weapons, in particular, small arms in general) to the west, trail in their tail and eat up their leftovers - no comment

      Interestingly, it is precisely thanks to such cheers-patriotism that we still send green guys to storm villages when Americans deliver enemy firing points from drones?
      By the way, Soviet designers never shunned borrowing. Many techniques have Western roots. Or is it all "scraps" judging by your logic?
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 4 December 2012 14: 29
        +1
        so you're right, AK itself is a successful combination of nodes from different designers, including Thomson, or whatever it is spelled what generally a combination of successful elements and a world-wide weapons genius
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 21 December 2012 14: 42
          0
          So after all, no one was forbidden to borrow the best components and parts from others and put them together in one complex.
      2. Joker
        Joker 4 December 2012 14: 50
        +5
        Well, what a nonsense, AK is outdated, but it is only morally obsolete, it is remarkable for TTX. In AK-12, the shoals will be adjusted and everything else you need? Who should we focus on? All with old weapons go and no changes are foreseen. American warriors are happy to buy our AK and do not whine like you, but recognize that our weapons are better for war.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 16: 07
          +4
          Joker hi
          Quote: Joker
          but it’s only morally obsolete, according to the performance characteristics it’s wonderful

          There is an opinion that the already beaten path is quite suitable for AK mobilization stocks, to modernize by partial alteration (replacing the fore-end, receiver ...) to create the basis (core) of modernization, and already on this basis you can install the domestic analog SOPMOD M4 kit especially for AK-12 such a special set is being developed and so that no ignoramus speaks there, like
          Quote: rkka
          Suspended to grandfather ryusichek
          This will greatly increase the effectiveness of both the weapon and the soldier armed with it. What is still not unimportant, such modernization will not be able to load domestic enterprises with state orders from the defense industry.
          SOPMOD M4 kit


          Joker
          not a bad option of what I wrote is presented in the last photo in the article. And here by the way is another option for the basics:
          1. bunta
            bunta 4 December 2012 16: 09
            0
            Quote: Karlsonn
            replacement forend, receiver ...

            Well, you guys are driving! laughing
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 4 December 2012 17: 43
              +1
              bunta feel
              I'm not guilty; stupid and restless employees at work am , they can’t do a damn thing themselves and they don’t let me sit quietly on the resource angry , you see, and brought my gray hairs to shame.
              wink of course meant the receiver cover drinks
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 16: 10
          0
          Joker
          not a bad option of what I wrote is presented in the last photo in the article. And here by the way is another option for the basics:
      3. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 15: 09
        0
        rkka
        Quote: rkka
        we still send green guys to storm auls

        It is only in your head, with all due respect, in fact, everything is not so.
        As an example, these "greens" go to clean-ups and assaults - http://hardingush.livejournal.com/, read, maybe you will stop flogging nonsense, like -
        Quote: rkka
        Tactical groups are replacing armies running to attack with AK
        .
      4. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 4 December 2012 15: 23
        0
        rkka
        According to my logic, we have our own school of small arms and for a long time. The fact that it is necessary to go in line with the latest world trends can only argue with this ... But only in order to improve their models, including "Kalasha". soldier
        Well, as far as cheers-patriotism is concerned, I am FOR patriotism, and where in my words you found a desire to send GREEN guys and specifically to storm auls, I did not understand. belay
        Well, about the amerikosov, I will say that the "spirits" are beaten by our "Kalash", together with all their electronic bells and whistles and drones taken together. Or not? laughing
        1. rkka
          rkka 4 December 2012 16: 19
          +1
          all of you write correctly. It just bothers me the loss ratio of the warring parties. Look at us, and at them. It becomes sad. . .
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 4 December 2012 17: 51
            +1
            Quote: rkka
            It just bothers me the loss ratio of the warring parties. Look at us, and at them. It becomes sad. . .


            and let it not bother you. during our war over the river, everyone who was not lazy fought against us. and the bandits were also helped by the whole bourgeois community. and constantly, right up to 1985 they escalated the conflict. until the dushmans began to end. and at the same time, the SA fought on its own, without involving a collective farm from the Poles, Bulgarians and brave Romanians. but the whole of NATO, without the help of the Taliban from the outside, is somewhere to fight handy. although the results somehow failed. and from the rampart of opium from the scene of the conflict in front of the world community is uncomfortable.
      5. Zynaps
        Zynaps 4 December 2012 17: 46
        +2
        Quote: rkka
        Time is not right.


        bad dancers don't have it.

        Quote: rkka
        Replacing armies attacking with AK, tactical groups with high-precision and effective weapons come.


        during the Vietnam War, tactical groups with high-precision and effective weapons spent 50 thousand rounds of ammunition to kill one Viet Cong. and in WWII, 75-80% of the damage to manpower was caused by artillery and mortars. statistics on hospitals are iron.

        Quote: rkka
        AK is undoubtedly a weapon symbol of the twentieth century, but its time is running out. Remember the Crimean War?


        I personally do not, although I live in Crimea. and especially I don’t remember the use of AK in the Crimean war. in the valley of the Alma River, if you walk with a metal detector, you can find bullets from the English fittings - the best rifles of the time. and most of all is the spherical bullet. kilograms. strange AKs were then in service.

        Quote: rkka
        Interestingly, it is precisely thanks to such cheers-patriotism that we still send green guys to storm villages when Americans deliver enemy firing points from drones?


        dear expert! you can carry auls out of anything from anywhere and don’t send anyone anywhere, and at the same time do not get out of conflicts for decades. because for their decisions in undeveloped countries you need something completely different: education, culture, medicine, professional skills and electricity with running water to every home. and time to get used to a good life with the fear of losing it. called - agitation is the real deal.

        Quote: rkka
        By the way, Soviet designers never disdained borrowing.


        by the way, in classical and theoretical mechanics with a compromise everything has long been open and no breakthroughs are expected. therefore, everything is still borrowed from Newton and Archimedes. there are only materials science and materials processing, the advanced achievements of which no one willingly wants to share.

        Quote: rkka
        Many types of technology have western roots.


        Yes. Americans still believe that they came up with the periodic table. together with a light bulb. there is already talk of American roots in the invention of wheels, gunpowder and paper. We are waiting for new amazing discoveries. for example, priority in making fire.

        nevertheless, the benefits of the fight against cronyism were definitely certain at one time. so that citizens do not develop an inferiority complex in front of those who wear jeans. sorry, underworked.

        Quote: rkka
        Or is it all "scraps" judging by your logic?


        oyushki. judging by the speeches of some, they even have no concept of logic.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 18: 04
          0
          Zynaps
          Quote: Zynaps
          and generally don’t send anyone anywhere

          I comrade for a remark about green boys in response already threw a link, who goes there and where, if interested, here --- http://hardingush.livejournal.com/, Ingushetia special forces soldier, those who are in villages, houses, apartments, and in green there, mainly BB goes and judging by the reviews very, very.
  13. Axel
    Axel 4 December 2012 11: 45
    +1
    Buy as dolls for souvenirs exotic
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 December 2012 14: 31
      0
      Axel
      Quote: Axel
      Buy as dolls for souvenirs exotic

      You dear if you do not know something, then ask. It is not the first year that the "Saiga" has been purchased by police specialists, for example, in the states and in Australia.

      Well, if you think this looks like a nesting doll,


      then I’m just lost what to think what .

      Regarding the stocks of Kalash, there is an opinion that for what lies in the warehouses and the pocket does not pull it is quite possible to go the beaten path, starting with the replacement of the forend and the receiver, we will get the basic basis (core) for modernization, which will certainly lead to an increase in defense orders at Izhmash and other domestic enterprises, and already on this basis it is possible to develop a domestic version of the SOPMOD M4 kit:
      http://photos.militarist.com.ua/resources/photos/325/8513.medium.jpg.
      moreover, such work on AK-12 is underway,

      what prevents slowly upgrading bins?
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 December 2012 14: 49
      +3
      Axel
      Quote: Axel
      like dolls for souvenirs

      Don't write nonsense, if you don't know - ask. "Saiga" is actively bought by police special forces, for example, in the states and in Australia; and this, so - the matryoshka does not look.
  14. bunta
    bunta 4 December 2012 13: 17
    +1

    Despite the fact that the civilian version of Kalashnikov cannot fire continuously - shoot in bursts - without repeated clicks on trigger


    Will teapots ever be translated among authors ?! am
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 4 December 2012 14: 32
      0
      no machine gun in the world can conduct continuous fire, anyway there will be a gap between the bullets laughing jokingly)
      So yes, Automatic would be more appropriate here.
  15. survivor
    survivor 4 December 2012 13: 37
    +4
    yeah, the "trigger" also cut)))
    Kalashnikov assault rifle this is the case when they would not have collected all one Kalashnikov and comes out. the most ideal machine, simple and functional. this is exactly what an automaton should be. when they compare it with an assault rifle, they forget that the assault rifle and assault rifle, not only the names differ. anyone, not even an experienced person, can easily learn how to wield this weapon, and with proper training, master it professionally. its reliability has long been a saying. in other matters, like simplicity.
    weapons stored in warehouses, you just need to distribute to the population.
    ... "At the same time, the Russian army, even within the framework of a fairly large local conflict, will not need more than 500-700 thousand small arms. What to do with the rest, no one knows yet" .... so this is a local conflict, and if aggression? if the enemy climbs from all sides? these 500-700 thousand will be enough only for the first few months, and then what? how to arm a conscript, volunteer, milliard, police?
    GIVE KALASHNIKOV TO EVERY HOUSE! ADULT ON AK 47, YOUTH ON AK 74, WOMEN ON AK 74 U! AND SALE OF CARTRIDGES IN THE HOUSEHOLD!
    1. dixicon
      dixicon 4 December 2012 14: 11
      +1
      I was interested, in one place they shout that the machine gun and assault rifles are completely different types of weapons, in the other they kick at the fact that "this thing" is called a submachine gun, and they have an assault rifle. so where is the truth? :)
      1. bunta
        bunta 4 December 2012 15: 04
        +2
        Rifle: Rifled small arms, structurally designed to hold and control when shooting with two hands with the emphasis of the butt in the shoulder.
        Sniper Rifle: A combat rifle, the design of which provides increased accuracy.

        Carabiner: Lightweight rifle with a shortened barrel
        Automatic: Automatic carbine


        Ask whoever said "assault". And this is GOST.
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 16: 13
        +2
        dixicon
        about the same place where the answer to the question is:
        - why do we have the Old New Year.
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 4 December 2012 14: 35
      +1
      Here it comes out, there should always be a reserve, in Stalingrad there was a reserve and not bad, but there were so many people that there weren’t enough rifles, although there were a whole bunch of them. Stalingrad should not be repeated, the stock of weapons should be three times.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 15: 44
        +1
        cth; fyn
        Disagree
        [quote = cth; fyn] but there were so many people that there weren’t enough rifles, although there were a whole bunch of them [/ quТТewote]
        the situation was exactly the opposite, there weren’t enough people, but there were weapons - heaps as an example:
        On September 14, the assault on Stalingrad began and the enemy broke through to the crossings, Chuikov, commander of the 62 Army (appointed on September 12, arrived at the location of September 14 Headquarters) ordered the delay in crossing the Rodimtsev Rifle Division. The division was FULLY re-equipped, instead of rifles, submachine guns were issued, the number of light machine guns and anti-tank rifles was increased, and a large number of grenades were issued. As a result of the landing operation, the guards on the move captured the embankment, knocking the melee out of the battle and knocked out the enemy from Mill No. 4, providing protection for the crossing, then ousted and captured the Railway Station, and if I am not mistaken, Mamaev Kurgan was liberated by September 19.
      2. Zynaps
        Zynaps 4 December 2012 18: 00
        +1
        Quote: cth; fyn
        but there were so many people that there weren’t enough rifles, although there were a whole bunch of them.


        Aleksey Isaev once said that he expected a lot from the archives of the defense of Leningrad, and especially the Leningrad militia, to tear off the covers "one rifle for three." it turned out - hell. people were armed as best they could, even with rifles of tsarist production, but they went to the front line with weapons. and those who fought in Stalingrad, in general, unanimously said that replenishment in the trenches on the Mamayev Kurgan came without weapons, but only with ammunition. rifles were in abundance - they were taken right on the spot, from the hands of the dead. shook out the frozen ground from the three lines, reloaded - and into battle.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 19: 13
          0
          Zynaps
          Quote: Zynaps
          Alexey Isaev once said

          I respect Isaev very much, although it’s not quite what he writes that he agrees and he has no, no, and mistakes have slipped that he was in a blockade before the situation near Leningrad and agree that it’s one thing when they couldn’t even fully deliver products to Leningrad and completely It’s another matter near Stalingrad, where weapons and ammunition traveled in trains, all the more we must not forget the Leningrad militia this fall 1941, and Stalingrad fall 1942 also has a significant difference.

          Quote: Zynaps
          even rifles of royal production

          I read a story in childhood that in 1941 one calculation went to a gun that almost participated in the battle of Borodino, and then not long ago came across here: with 1: 00 watch

          Quote: Zynaps
          and those who fought in Stalingrad generally spoke with one voice


          I gave you a concrete example of how, on 19 of September, 1942, Mamaev’s mound was recaptured by soldiers of the Rodimtsev Guards Rifle Division, who were rearmed from rifles to submachine guns.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 4 December 2012 20: 28
            0
            here is a video of the effectiveness of a bicentennial cannon, I think there was enough for the Fritz Ganomage wassat
      3. edge
        edge 6 December 2012 04: 11
        0
        the weapon has the property to fail, - the front sight crashes, the handle flies off, the butt splits, the trunk bends, the trunk is inflated, the tank runs over, it is thrown off by a blast wave, drowned in a swamp or at a crossing ...... etc. some damage can be repaired in rem. workshops, and sometimes you have to change the trunk itself. Therefore, you have to store at least 5 units per person.
    3. tracer
      tracer 5 December 2012 08: 07
      0
      For this you need a militia of a single idea ... While there is no aggression, women will not give birth simply by the fact that in "CLUBS ZAYE ..." and nothing you do not care about them.
  16. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 4 December 2012 13: 53
    +2
    An effective and powerful weapon needs a new effective and powerful cartridge, which is planned to be developed.

    What is there to develop? Even in the Union they developed a 6mm intermediate cartridge with an old 39mm sleeve, now it has surfaced in America under the name Grendel. First, the T-72 was merged (with the merger of Germany), then the promising cartridge 6.5x39, right now Bulava ... How many more scum in Russia?
  17. georg737577
    georg737577 4 December 2012 13: 54
    0
    If we were to lift from the graves all those killed from AK and collect them together, then we would see the TRUE effectiveness of this weapon. According to the final result. And the skeptics shut up ...
    1. rkka
      rkka 4 December 2012 14: 32
      -1
      If from the graves to raise all those killed spears (arrows, swords) and bring them together - then we would see the TRUE effectiveness of this weapon. I think for 100 thousand years a spear killed a lot. Is this your efficiency?
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 4 December 2012 18: 13
        0
        Quote: rkka
        If we were to lift everyone killed by spears (arrows, swords) from the graves and put them together - then we would see the TRUE effectiveness of this weapon.


        nonsense. then there were fewer people, the armies were, at best, one hundred to two hundred thousand, and then, at the Babylonian satrapies. from arrows, swords and spears, of course, there was a meat grinder, but too many people did not die - you kill a dozen people with a sword. all the more, a good defensive tactic was developed from all of these punchers, which reduced losses, which had to be transferred from large knives to a firearm.

        all these massive foreigners do not even come close with infantry attacks on machine guns in WWI. there was a case when one English machine gun battalion shot more than a million rounds of ammunition in one battle. I would like to see this with my own eyes. Well, it was necessary to have a couple of mouths of cartridges, and a couple of companies to rake spent cartridges from the trenches. approximately another company of aquifers to ensure the cooling of hot trunks. and a small warehouse of interchangeable barrels, because with such an intensity of fire, the resource of the weapon is eaten literally before our eyes. and surely all the characters in the trenches fought in gas masks, because the soot should have been unbearable.
        and given the onset of chains and barriers, the amount of stuffed meat should have been prohibitive. literally hills.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 20: 34
          +1
          Zynaps
          Quote: Zynaps
          Well it was necessary to have a pair of mouths of ammunition carriers


          I have here in my bookmarks such a thing:
          .... The machine gun is serviced by the head of the machine gun and six fighters: an observer - a range finder, a gunner, a gunner’s assistant, two cartridge carriers, and a driving one.
          Each machine gunner should be able to fulfill the duties of any fighter machine gun crew in case you have to replace him in battle.
          The gunner replaces the gunner.
          Each machine gun has a combat set of cartridges, 12 boxes with machine-gun belts, two spare barrels, one box with spare parts, one box with accessories, three cans for water and grease, an optical machine-gun sight. If a machine gun is assigned for firing at air targets, then it has an anti-aircraft tripod and anti-aircraft sight ....

          http://rkka.msk.ru/rbp/rbp12.shtml
  18. Poruchik_72
    Poruchik_72 4 December 2012 16: 15
    +1
    "With this modernization, it is planned to replace the bolt cover", "pulling the trigger", "a rifled gun and 2 smooth-bore carbines"

    Cho, beautiful, aftar, pescho ischo!

    Well, about 500-700 thousand ...
    Here are a couple of links to YouTube, informatively, from my humble point of view, and very intelligible

    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 December 2012 17: 58
      0
      Poruchik_72 hi
      not with a dead end by the hour?
  19. Manager
    Manager 4 December 2012 17: 06
    +1
    But what about AEK-971 ???
    1. bunta
      bunta 4 December 2012 17: 31
      +3
      This is AK-107! :)
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 17: 50
        0
        bunta hi
        Your truth, AEK-971:
    2. Zynaps
      Zynaps 4 December 2012 18: 17
      0
      Popenker once had a comrade from the tarry people. said that AEK has not been released since 2006. they say, the draftees now go stupid and entrust them with a machine with balanced mechanics, which is more expensive than AK, was considered a waste of money. also against the AEK played an economic factor. it turns out that for a mass army to produce an automatic machine that is quite complicated in production and does not give great advantages over existing weapons, no one would have allowed before. therefore like that.
    3. bunta
      bunta 4 December 2012 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Manager
      But what about AEK-971 ???


      But no way. If you transfer it in this form to the troops, sooner or later, as a result of all the modifications, you will get the AK-107.
  20. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 4 December 2012 17: 57
    +1
    Well, or here's a perspective:
    1. bunta
      bunta 4 December 2012 19: 18
      0
      Quote: Karlsonn
      Well, or here's a perspective:

      There is a very interesting perspective on the CA mechanism itself. This is a gear in a perforated ruler. In general, gears are an increased load on wear. Compared to other parts of the machine, it will work many times more. In theory, all gear mechanisms should work in lubrication. And then there is the increased temperature and gases!
      Doubtful fee for 15-20 percentage increase in accuracy compared to AK-74.

      PS. The bolt group is visually smaller (less massive) than the Kalashnikov one. So the increase in accuracy can also be obtained due to this.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 04
        0
        bunta drinks ,
        it?
        1. bunta
          bunta 4 December 2012 21: 32
          +1
          This. Water it with water. Sand to taste. Pre-greased profusely. And from the warm guardhouse running to the frost.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 57
            0
            bunta
            Well, not everything is so bad, the brits with the first "lakha" finally hung up, then, taking into account the problems, the second "lakha" got stuck, everything was also not there, thank God, but it seems that both Afghanistan and Iraq passed, the shavers made 250 of them, and Kehler made good money on modernization and alteration of both the first and the second wassat , I think that AEK-971 will be stronger.
            1. bunta
              bunta 5 December 2012 10: 47
              0
              AEK has one undeniable advantage over AK-12 - appearance. It is immediately clear that this is a weapon. And the AK-12 is some kind of stub.
  21. dixicon
    dixicon 4 December 2012 18: 46
    0
    Dear experts :)
    The question is, but what about the edged weapons? is it exported?
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 December 2012 20: 55
      0
      dixicon
      Quote: dixicon
      is it exported?

      Yes, dear. The largest manufacturer and supplier is, as you might guess, "Izhmash", although its range consists only of:
      - Army knife and survival knives HB-1, HB-1-01.

      To you here - http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/weapon.shtml
  22. Trevis
    Trevis 4 December 2012 19: 22
    0
    I am very happy for Izhmash! I myself dream of buying a Saiga. good
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 09
      +1
      Trevis hi
      I’m thinking it myself, in our pennants 900 amer’s rubles + approximately 800-1200 for remaking, as well as a safe and the installation of a police signaling on an apartment --- what .

      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 18
        0
        actually here is the video of the first video on the rework of "Saiga", the result at the end of the tenth video drinks .
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 22
          0


          axis here, you can look at what happened.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 28
          +2
          that's actually what happened. Although if I get myself together, I will go further, I saw a couple of factory RIS-ties for the Saiga, one even turned in my hands --- generally I liked it fellow .
      2. bunta
        bunta 4 December 2012 21: 39
        +1
        If you are thinking, it is better to purchase here in Izhevsk. Using dating. I can help a little, but I don’t know how to export it to Ukraine. If interested, I can find out.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 50
          0
          bunta

          It’s certainly best to buy in Izhevsk, and if you have friends then it’s fine, though I'm still thinking what ... But what really interests me is whether it is possible to manufacture an individual order at Izhmash, like at the end of the tenth video, of course all the components: a stock, a pistol grip, and so on. etc. my; if there is an opportunity to know you will oblige me drinks .
          1. bunta
            bunta 5 December 2012 10: 40
            0
            Answered in the PS.
  23. WW3
    WW3 4 December 2012 19: 28
    +3
    Amer girls are mastering gunfire ... lol

    another funny video .... lol
  24. Voin sveta82
    Voin sveta82 4 December 2012 19: 49
    0
    everyone sells ... even their national treasure ..... everyone sells ... even their honor and soul for the sake of these damned green empty pieces of paper ...)))) IT IS SHAME TO BE SHAME ,, SHAME SHAME TO BE ,, SHAME SHALL BE ,,, SHAMFUL SHOULD BE ,,, SHAME SHOULD BE ,,, SHAME SHALL BE, ,, SHAME SHALL BE ,,, SHAME SHALL BE ,,, SHAME SHALL BE ,, SHAPE SHOULD BE IT IS SHAME TO BE ,,, SHAME TO BE ,,, SHAME TO BE ,,, SHAME TO BE ,,, SHAME TO BE ,,, - BUT SEEN NOT FATE .............. ........ SALE SKINS ........................................ .GIVE SECOND STALIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!))))))))
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 December 2012 21: 33
      +2
      Voin sveta82
      like if "Izhmash" stood without orders and was destroyed like other factories, would it be better? Or did I misunderstand you?
  25. Kir
    Kir 4 December 2012 20: 58
    +1
    On the one hand, pride, we are not so ..... opera on the part of the small arms, but for some reason, gradually there is not a good feeling, as if our opponent didn’t turn around, and you’ll prove something later bring the Lord happen chago .......
    So if you supply it, it is so different from the inside of the consumed one so that no one has sales even !!!
  26. david210512
    david210512 4 December 2012 23: 08
    0
    give Russian weapons to the Americans. yes hello revolution !!!!!!!!!! (well, you understand me) =)
  27. Ramldor
    Ramldor 5 December 2012 02: 36
    0
    kakiye vi fashisti ... "I am happy for the image and happy for the United States! Soon they will learn what a civil war is!"
    1. orfo
      orfo 5 December 2012 04: 26
      0
      here rather "what you sow is what you shake." In AZ, everyone can be tolerant and tolerant, but we don't need that (IMHO). Communicating with different people (via the Internet), it all boiled down to the fact that they are condemned for interfering in the affairs of other countries, the international "police" in general, which one might guess no one called.
  28. Rascopov
    Rascopov 5 December 2012 09: 09
    +1
    Well, at least something of ours is in demand in the USA - it pleases!
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 5 December 2012 16: 42
      0
      But what does not please is that 86% is exported to the States. It would be better on the contrary, in your army. There is little joy that the best fighters in the world fly in China and India, the best small arms go to the states, etc. business by business, but you can’t forget about your army. It's a shame!
  29. Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 5 December 2012 17: 23
    0
    With this modernization, it is planned to replace the shutter cover, on which the Picatinny rail is installed, and then various additional equipment is installed on it - optical and night sights, grenade launchers, collimators.
    - as far as I remember, in Israel they tried this option of installing sights on the "galil" (Jewish alteration of the Kalash), nothing came of them due to the fact that the receiver cover constantly "walks", I very much doubt the success of such modernization among the Russians, although and I believe in the genius of Russian gunsmiths, and their superiority over Israeli ones.
  30. crambol
    crambol 5 December 2012 17: 33
    0
    A question from an amateur to specialists:
    Is it possible to use at least trunks (pruning, regrinding, etc.) for other types of weapons, and from 17 million, it’s kind of hard!
  31. bunta
    bunta 6 December 2012 00: 24
    0
    Quote: crambol
    With this upgrade, replacement is planned shutter coveron which is installed Picatinny rail, and then various additional equipment is installed on it - optical and night sights, rifle grenade launcherscollimators.


    Pickled grass. wassat