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After the swamp

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After the swamp

The Great Swamp Protest did not survive its anniversary. The Coordination Council, born in the throes of intellectual reflection, has nothing to coordinate in general. The only thing that the marshlands achieved was an impressive and representative vote for Putin, who was allowed to conduct a substantial electoral campaign by the marsh movement. It must be admitted that it was impossible to conduct such a campaign without the presence of a demonstrative swamp threat, since the authorities in effect did not demonstrate any meaningful policy at that time.

In the summer, we called the process taking place in the swamp movement “loosening protest”. A lot was said about why the Internet hamster, the main social support of the movement, left it. Here the main fact is that the hamster process is loud. That is resolved. Forever and ever. It is impossible to return the hamster to this protest, and for any other possible and probable protest the hamster is not needed, and he will not go. Therefore, there will be no revival of this protest. We state this not with gloating, but with regret and even fear, since this protest could not cause any fear at all.

Why is hamster protest in principle unpromising where the state really exists and the power is functioning, although somehow conscious of itself? We have already said that the peculiarity of the Internet public is that it can be manipulated, and quite easily, by choosing the right moment and theme. But it is absolutely impossible to lead. At that moment, when the hamster mass feels that it is beginning to be controlled and controlled, it dissolves instantly. And for a real revolution, real leaders and a truly controlled mass are needed.

The swamp movement is essentially an intra-elite movement. Exactly its localization of Moscow is connected with this. Such a public in a fairly representative amount is nowhere else but Moscow, even in St. Petersburg. As this public, all this office managerial journalist-planetary plankton is the attendant of our elite kleptocracy, localized in Moscow. By the way, in this context it is very funny when, on behalf of this public, they are calling for the fight against corruption. In the event of a victory over corruption, it will not even have to be exterminated, it will simply die of hunger.

That is, the swamp movement is a typical Orange. Raw materials for the production of "orange revolutions". The “orange revolutions” are different from the revolutions of the present, that they are not revolutions — they are intra-elite coups, while revolution is a change of elites. The extermination of the old elites new. The Orange Revolutions is a replacement for the less comprador elite grouping for the more comprador one. The “Orange Revolution” cannot overthrow the government if it really exists as a government. And not as a system of indigenous management, with sovereignty over which the external owner has. Since its scheme implies the need to ask permissions, whether it is possible for the native ruler to keep his chair or is it time to hand it over to a more attractive candidate for the host. By the way, the very fact of the manifestation of a marshland is evidence that a large part of the Russian elites had the impression that there is no such authority in Russia. And you can try.

In fact, any political process, whether it is carried out through elections, succession to the throne, coups, in any state system, call it at least a democracy, a dictatorship, is essentially divided by only one sign: is it a mechanism of reproduction of the power of the current elite or is it a scrapping there is a change of elites - a social revolution.

Swamp protest, of course, no social revolution, and even an attempt was not such. This is an uprising of the comprador elite against the government. In any case, against its element, which is such a government in the Russian historical sense, is, simply put, against Putin V.V. What is the elite, and such an uprising. Recall that on the eve of the 1905 revolution, our bourgeoisie developed its specific form of protest. We know from Soviet storiesthat a form of protest of the peasantry is a revolt, the proletariat is a strike. And the form of protest by our bourgeoisie is a “banquet company” when an abundant feast gathers at which toasts of anti-government content are made.

The comprador-bourgeois-democratic quasi-revolution in Russia failed. Just as she fell and will always fall. Social protests and, God forbid, a social revolution in Russia are possible and quite likely with a sharp aggravation of the economic situation. And such a complication is almost inevitable. The fact that the current marsh and potholder public will receive little pleasure from such a revolution is little consolation.

Only one way out: luring protest must be accompanied by loosening power. In principle, we have a simple alternative. A) Rise of power against the elite. A direct appeal to the people through the head of existing elites. Actually, the current government is turning this way, however, mainly for image trivialities. But even this provides her with legitimacy. Until. B) The uprising of the people against the elite and the authorities. What will mean at the same time that the authorities in the real historically Russian sense no longer exist. As it was not, for example, in October 1917 th. In our particular case, this may mean a state suicide of the Russian people.

Actually, the only rational way out for the current government is to carry out a social revolution from above — to change the current elite. There are no motives for not doing this. The first. Since the current elite - marauding, comprador and worthless - merges the country. The second. Since this elite has clearly formulated and openly verbalizes rigidly anti-state and anti-national political course and ideology, in which no systemic positive activity is possible. And openly introduces it within the current system of government. Third. Since, in fact, this elite has already rebelled against the current government, that is, it bit the hand that feeds it. To continue feeding a mad dog with hands is counterproductive.

PS Regarding the remarks of our old revolutionary Delyagin that "for the crisis in Russia, only the Russian youth are lacking." The point is not that the ethno-demographic catastrophe described by the author is somewhat exaggerated. The point is youth as such. From a social point of view, youth is a serious mental illness that inevitably goes away with age. True, if before this age will be able to live. As the individual, and country of residence. Our other author, Iskander Valitov, very accurately describes the social illness of our society, reflected in the protest movement, the emotional lack of the will to self-restraint characteristic of children. The advantage of "youth" over mature people is that there is less intelligence, education, experience, professionalism, responsibility - socialization in general. More reactivity, spontaneity, naive maximalism, unfulfilled ambitions, sexual attraction and physical strength. But the advantage is only for those who want to commit any large-scale disgrace.
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  1. S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 3 December 2012 12: 45
    +9
    Defeat suffered people trying to lead the swamp movement. Glamorous tips like bulk and Sobchachki. The people dissatisfied with the thieves' power, destroying our country, have not gone anywhere!
    A cunning Jewish journalist is trying to present the case in such a way - that the whole popular protest was blown away and the GDP was again on a dashing horse, and the people for him and the elections suddenly became honest, all at once, like Churov. :).
    Journalism will have to disappoint a little, The people in Russia are not at all as stupid as the ruling elite wants to see him. Abramovich, Chubais, Prokhorov and other parasites sucking the blood of the people did not become dearer to us, and the people did not become more tolerant of the corruption vertical of power!
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 3 December 2012 13: 08
      +7
      Quote: S_mirnov
      S_mirnov

      I don’t know about Leontiev’s nationality, but about everything else, they’re right. Plus.
      1. military
        military 3 December 2012 14: 46
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        I don’t know about Leontiev’s nationality, but about everything else, they’re right. Plus.

        huge unconditional plus ++++++++++ good
        1. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 3 December 2012 16: 40
          +28
          It is not that simple, Leontiev correctly said everything ... to paint why is laziness (although during the pre-election battles I wrote a lot about this, which can be seen in my comments through PM)

          Putin is doing the right thing, and the clan elite inherited the same shnyag along with the country as well as the silent people. People kind of finally woke up, so Putin is not alone now, THERE ARE A LOT OF US!!!

          The mandate for reprisals .... eeeee .... we gave him order, the results are already there ... but there will be more ... will be, will be, let the enemies of Russia not hope ...
          1. zadotov
            zadotov 3 December 2012 16: 57
            -13
            Again, an old song about a good honest king and vile thieves of boyars, you are not tired of listening to this Leontyev’s noodles
            1. kostello2004
              kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 47
              -19
              To the point of a respected colleague, the powder of the first channel on archaic brutal Chelyabinsk men acts as mana from heaven. fool with her, and accept as our father
            2. dirty trick
              dirty trick 4 December 2012 13: 50
              +3
              Quote:
              Again, an old song about a good honest king and vile thieves of boyars, you are not tired of listening to this Leontyev’s noodles


              in your support, I hasten to note that Leontyev is wrong about "The Great Swamp Protest did not survive its anniversary"
              The Belolentochnik movement has a long and glorious history:
              1. dirty trick
                dirty trick 4 December 2012 13: 52
                +1
                and another photo
          2. military
            military 3 December 2012 17: 23
            -4
            Quote: alex-defensor
            The people kind of finally woke up, so Putin is not alone now, US MUCH !!!

            you see, the people didn’t wake up ... many times ... recourse
            1. kostello2004
              kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 47
              -15
              RIGHT course go comrade
            2. aksakal
              aksakal 3 December 2012 23: 59
              +2
              Quote: military
              you see, people didn’t wake up ... many times.
              - In the sense of a military man, your salary has not been increased much? Still not enough? Or are you pretending to be a military man? Write down what you are dissatisfied with and why you want revolutions? Can you prove that the military? You are some kind of guanennial military man, he doesn’t look like a military man, you drool too saliva. It’s not customary for warriors how much I communicate with the military here, they are much more restrained. With what fright do you call yourself, an ordinary troll-hamster?
              Nowhere to be seen, not heard, as soon as Putin's name is called, they are so excited to death! Go under ... chi, calm down. I’ll tell you a secret - Putin is the legally elected president of the Russian Federation, that’s all shnyaga. Calmed down?
              1. military
                military 4 December 2012 10: 10
                -1
                aksakal,
                belay either full saxaul, or juvenile jerk (judging by the lexicon) ...
                I won’t believe that such boorish jargon is peculiar to true elders ... request
          3. kostello2004
            kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 45
            -10
            Excuse me, are you the seleger NASHIS?
            1. anchonsha
              anchonsha 3 December 2012 20: 44
              +8
              Are you one of those whom Leontiev writes about?
          4. Nick
            Nick 3 December 2012 23: 25
            +1
            Quote: alex-defensor
            The people kind of finally woke up, so Putin is not alone now, US MUCH !!!

            The mandate for reprisals .... eeeee .... we gave him order, the results are already there ... but there will be more ... will be, let the enemies of Russia do not hope ...

            Right. +
          5. aksakal
            aksakal 3 December 2012 23: 54
            0
            Quote: alex-defensor
            Everything is not so simple, Leontiev said everything correctly ... to paint why is laziness (although during the pre-election battles I wrote a lot about this, which can be seen in my comments through PM)

            I agree here. And you and the pack - plus
          6. Bronis
            Bronis 4 December 2012 00: 25
            +1
            Exactly - not so easy. In any society there are elites and there are masses. The current domestic elite is a complex and multi-level phenomenon. In the full sense, it is not yet an elite - it is a kind of "melting pot" of various groups with sometimes opposing interests. In the USA, by the way, the situation is different. Although their elite has some internal disagreements, they are not of a fundamental nature. Republicans or Democrats? The difference is noticeable only in domestic policy, in foreign - they are united. The Republicans bombed Iraq, the Democrats - Yugoslavia, Then the Republicans - again Iraq and Afghanistan, Democrats - Libya and, most likely, Syria.
            It is stupid to think that Putin has appeared nowhere. He was originally supposed to be a compromise figure in the oligarchic "Seven Boyars". But the guys were wrong. The most offensive personalities are either abroad or in prison. Putin is good at getting rid of them. But in this struggle he was not alone. Certain elite circles supported him in the confrontation, became a support and received compensation in the form of some pieces of the pie.
            Yes, and 12 years have passed. Putin had a significant impact on the composition of the current elite. The only question is whether they will be faithful to him. The general atmosphere has not changed. The slayer of the dragon himself becomes a dragon. In fact, a number of oligarchs were replaced by half-business recipients. And they are addicted to cash flows. And, of course, they don’t really want the strong hand to pull them away from the feeder at any moment and plunge them in the dark ...
            Therefore, Putin cannot (even if he wants to) take and jail everyone. The riot will begin. And who will replace them? They tried to make Molodogvardeytsev and Nashi, but the project failed ... They put a self-aware man in key positions, and at the bottom they gathered those who are not competitors to the leaders. When on Bolotnaya it was not particularly to see them, they turned to the hard workers. And those in the bulk would have gone, if that. Unlike the Molodonashists, their training is not the same. An acquaintance once stopped by their camp (he is an ambulance doctor and an experienced tourist). He whinnied that they themselves could not really put up a tent, they didn’t wear the backs (the kidneys were chilling and groaning often), many could not wash and wash themselves. But in this form "smart" lectures on political science were listened to ... Everyone is happy: they have mastered the money and reported. And a decent change does not grow up.
            So Putin has a difficult situation. Much needs to be done, but again there is nobody to rely on. Even Rogozin was returned and Shoigu. But most importantly, Putin saw that Moscow was behind him. Nowhere to retreat. If anything, there will be no friends or asylum. His fate is closely connected with the fate of the country. He will not be - he will not be. And it gives strength ... I sincerely want him to succeed. But it will be very difficult for him, very much.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 3 December 2012 23: 53
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        I don’t know about Leontiev’s nationality, but about everything else, they’re right. Plus.
        and about eazioanalnosti, about everything else s_mirnova has complete nonsense, some kind of proletarian sputtering. Before that he wrote nonsense, and now - since he was a clever thing, he wrote a smart thing? Erase the pluses nafig, this weirdo just mimic!
      3. Nickname
        Nickname 4 December 2012 09: 44
        +1
        Do not read.
        To listen to Leontiev is like hebel. The same pro-government mongrel
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 3 December 2012 14: 14
      +17
      Quote: S_mirnov
      The people dissatisfied with the thieves' power destroying our country have not gone anywhere

      Well, duck he does not claim otherwise, he only says that he was screwed up. I myself do not understand where the continuation of the "greatest procession" is, eh? Doesn't money allocate more for these worries?
      1. Khabarov
        Khabarov 3 December 2012 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Alexej
        where is the continuation of the "greatest procession", eh?

        There have not been any popular "processions" yet. Swamp it is, noise from the anus. Popular protests in Russia look somewhat different. Official propaganda is trying to prove that all the protest moods - this is Moscow and the marsh - this is not so, a real protest among the people is just maturing. A plutocratic regime based on lies, tinsel and global theft does not deserve anything else.
        1. kostello2004
          kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 48
          -14
          I see here a lot of thinking people for whom there are no standards and frameworks, it is commendable
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 4 December 2012 01: 40
            +2
            Quote: kostello2004
            I see here a lot of thinking people for whom there are no standards and frameworks, it is commendable

            These people and thoughts do not have any good, what are the limits? fool
        2. Alexei
          Alexei 4 December 2012 01: 38
          +3
          Quote: Khabarov
          a real protest among the people is still ripening.

          You will be gone when it happens. So shut down Nostradamus and live in peace ... winked
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 3 December 2012 17: 23
        -6
        Of course, they ceased to allocate money, why allocate something a pro-American puppet again in power 12 years can not be buzzed.
        http://news.rambler.ru/13407927/
        everything is stable in the country
        http://demotivation.me/5vt2l7xcshmrpic.html
        no news
        http://news.rambler.ru/15129826
        sixes are no longer needed
        http://news.rambler.ru/15450707/

        Yedresni has not seen a rally for a long time.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 3 December 2012 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: S_mirnov
      Journalism will have to disappoint a little,


      Why should he? He is an ordinary mouthpiece of power - there he is on the right of the president
    4. kostello2004
      kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 45
      -17
      In due time, beloved Lenin did the same to everyone, only the ribbons were red, and now he is a hero, a fighter for the freedom of the oppressed, it will be the same this time, unless it is possible without executions of the imperial family, we don’t have a king
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 3 December 2012 19: 21
      +3
      I AM FOR ! G. Leontyev has never been and never will be in smoking rooms at work, in remboxes and on the ground, otherwise he would have listened to what they say about Putin, United Russia and this whole gang - the fraternity that steals from itself, divides the stolen money among themselves. If only Leontyev would have listened to what the people say about the advertising of "Gazprom", claiming that it is a "national property", and about the "people" for whom it is a "national property". Those who were on Bolotnaya were only dissatisfied with the elections, and the people who did not go there, but worked in factories, factories and fields, blindly believed Putin's promises. He distributed them generously, pretending to be menacing. Now, when all of Putin's promises had crumbled like a snowball in spring, people realized that he had once again been raped "in the tail and in the mane." Let the loyal allies and admirers of Putin and the United Russia not spit saliva here, reproaching me that I am not writing the truth, that I do not know the people either. Alas, they are wrong! I work at a plant that was once the largest monopolist in its industry, previously it employed 16 people, whose equipment operates all over the world, including Japan and the United States, and about 500 other countries. I work as a master, which means directly with the people. and when now the plant is being finished off and made into workshops for the production of spare parts and it is not clear why, and it was reduced to 28 people, pulling out machines and equipment for sale by the directors, when the director flies to work in a helicopter and has about five cars worth at least 1000 euros , with an average salary of workers and engineers 120000 rubles? How many people do you think will still endure? If Leontyev had listened to how hard workers talk about Putin, United Russia, he would have fled, fearing to be caught under an article on extremism together with the workers. The main protest is ahead! When the people get tired of all this! Cheating, laws that will have to pay for health and education, and much more.
      1. anchonsha
        anchonsha 3 December 2012 20: 52
        +9
        Well, then you at the plant agree with what your director is doing and keep quiet. Putin can’t work for all of you. A little that they turn to Putin, a little that Putin is guilty, that the plant is pulled apart. Yes, work on your own plant. He’s probably seized and you were silent,
        1. vovan1949
          vovan1949 3 December 2012 22: 08
          -1
          I agree with the foreman 78. We have a similar situation. That your Putin, that our Nazarbayev - one field of berries. The main thing for them is to enrich their families. And the people are fed with promises. You have United Russia, we have Nur Otan.
          Don't laugh, but on December 1 we made a public holiday "The Day of the FIRST President", that is. day of Nazarbayev. I don't know if there was anything like this in the history of mankind or not. People know better that December 1 is International AIDS Day.
        2. Nick
          Nick 3 December 2012 23: 31
          +3
          Quote: anchonsha
          A little that they turn to Putin, a little that Putin is guilty, that the plant is pulled away

          Come on, the plant, cats are crap in the porch, they again commemorate Putin, they say he’s not watching, damn him ... the porch ...
      2. Glory
        Glory 3 December 2012 22: 15
        +2
        The production foreman is the authorized representative of the management. You said everything well here. And at work? Just listen to what "people" are talking to whom you "directly"? And then ... "I consider it my duty to inform"? We know such "masters" directly.
      3. Lecha57
        Lecha57 3 December 2012 22: 18
        +1
        starshina78:
        -Very true, very accurate!
    6. WW3
      WW3 3 December 2012 19: 42
      +8
      Quote: S_mirnov
      Glamorous tips like bulk and Sobchachki

      Ksyusha obshchak more brilliant teeth and not the mind ...

      More often it should be checked and money withdrawn from the common wetland, there will be less protests ....
      1. vovan1949
        vovan1949 3 December 2012 22: 11
        +2
        How much anger in her eyes
        1. WW3
          WW3 3 December 2012 22: 21
          +3
          Quote: vovan1949
          How much anger in her eyes

          Are you talking about a white horse or about Ksyusha? + smile
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 4 December 2012 20: 54
            0
            WW3,
            The horse has kinder eyes.
    7. Sandov
      Sandov 4 December 2012 20: 46
      0
      S_mirnov,
      The mink coat revolution was doomed from the start.
  2. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 3 December 2012 12: 46
    +4
    Curious thought of the author:
    "Actually, the only rational way out for the current government is to carry out a social revolution from above - to replace the current elite. By and large, there are no motives not to do this. First. Since the current elite - marauding, comprador and worthless - is draining the country. Second. Because this elite is clearly formulated and openly verbalizes a rigidly anti-state and anti-national political course and ideology, in which no systemic positive activity is possible. And openly introduces it within the current system of power. Third, since in fact this elite has already rebelled against the current government, that is, it has bitten its hand, It's counterproductive to keep feeding the rabid dog. "
    Well, how is this possible? The author calls on the authorities to "kill themselves up the wall"? With whom will this fascinating action begin?
    1. Nose
      Nose 3 December 2012 13: 33
      +5
      Change the elite! You can’t do it at one time. Stalin changed it all the time. But unlike the father of nations, Putin doesn’t have that flair for shots (some Marshals of Victory are worth it!) And his spirit doesn’t have enough to part with craps and fellow countrymen.
      1. bask
        bask 3 December 2012 13: 45
        -10
        Another Leontief's custom-made article. You can compare it with a dozen previous articles. 100% coincidence. Written like a kapirka. Many, a lot of SMOKE AND ZERO SENSE .. And this is not the last .. Until someone orders ,,, music ,, - articles. Will come out, as scheduled, weekly. But here is just the text of all articles ONE ...
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 3 December 2012 14: 37
          -3
          Quote: bask
          . While someone orders ,,, music ,, - articles. They will be published as scheduled, weekly. But here is the text of all articles ONE ...

          What do you want?
          Former Liberal!
          He does not belong to hamsters (as he thinks), he rejoices!

          1. vovan1949
            vovan1949 3 December 2012 22: 14
            0
            There are no former liberals. They were defined 20 years ago - changeling.
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 4 December 2012 00: 25
              +2
              Quote: vovan1949
              There are no former liberals. They were defined 20 years ago - changeling.

              Yes, even maggots! laughing
              Drive your friends that you once betrayed
              Who betrayed once betray you and twice.
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 3 December 2012 14: 22
        +13
        Quote: Nose
        Stalin constantly changed it. But unlike the father of nations, Putin doesn’t have that flair for personnel (some marshals are worth the victory!)

        Stalin could throw unwanted packs, that's why each of his frames was broken into a cake, just to fulfill. But now they will start jailing everyone, so right away the human rights activists are activated. "Repression" ... will sing.
        1. Ymidge
          Ymidge 3 December 2012 16: 54
          +9
          Quote: Alexej
          so immediately human rights activists are activated. "Repression" ... will sing

          So what?! Let them sing! Who will listen to them? West chtol fucking? .. good
          1. merkel1961
            merkel1961 3 December 2012 17: 29
            +9
            Well, if they start planting these pi (compra) doors, I will clap their hands on such songs of protection, and let the west choke on the snot in losses in the fifth column.
          2. kostello2004
            kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 49
            -12
            sorry, and who the fucking west?
            1. 1goose3
              1goose3 3 December 2012 23: 12
              +6
              Costello you would have removed the Russian flags.
              And who knows the fucking west of your LGBT community.
              1. MG42
                MG42 4 December 2012 00: 10
                +4
                Quote: 1goose3
                Costello you would have removed the Russian flags.

                He no longer has the Russian flag, but the jolly roger lol with three skulls.
          3. aksakal
            aksakal 4 December 2012 00: 26
            +1
            Quote: Ymyj
            So what?! Let them sing! Who will listen to them? West chtol fucking? ..
            - try to simulate. Stalin could - he has an iron curtain. You can't run anywhere. Putin has no iron curtain. How everyone will rush through the open doors! We can say - rushed, well, the road is a tablecloth. But only with the first executions - in the sense that according to the verdict of "three-grade courts", normal and necessary people for the country - engineers, scientists, designers - will also rush abroad. Are there so many of them in Russia? You are deluded, my dear, you are very deceived. Flatter yourself, scattered, flatter us very much! You don’t have them, there’s a scanty amount left, should you dak it? Why do satellites fall, too, prove? Yes, you can no longer shoot - you have no people. Intellectual desert! Vrkhnyaya volta with rockets! And all the same - shoot! So you should keep them safe.
            You will say - after all, you need to shoot corrupt officials! That's right, but how to make it so that it would be corrupt? You will say - there are standard procedures - initiation of a criminal case, court, investigation. By the rules of justice, in short. Then I have a question - what do we see in relation to smetanikova, Vasilyeva and probably in relation to Serdyukov. What will we see in relation to the skrynnik? Or is there a suspicion that someone called the listed corrupt officials - is that enough? Ok, let's wait for such "justice", when it is enough to call a chela a corrupt official - and he will be shot right there. But then you should know, the first thing I will do is find out the name and name of Ymidzha and declare him a corrupt official. He will be shot. And what, cool. You pointed with your finger - that's all, shot laughing Ymuj, I'm not joking, it will be as you wish - I really will do it am Get into the hole that you dig for others!
            Another point - the weight of Stalin was such that one request - and he was given out to anyone he asked. Well, or almost anyone. And they allowed any domestic policy that Stalin considered necessary. Putin will start the same in Russia - you see Magnitsky. And what will happen when there will be mass of such magnetic ones? Yes, the geyropa will freeze, but he will refuse gas! Putin has weight, but far from that of Stalin. You can blame it on Putin, but for the same weight, Putin will have to declare war on someone, put a bunch of people, thereby scaring the whole world, and then he will have the same weight as Stalin. Something you don’t smile at. Then how can you demand the same weight from Putin?
            There is a lot of things that wouldn’t work out like that - I shot and the problem was solved. Honor Lee Kuan Yew, Singaporean dictator. He defeated corruption in his own country. True, the country is small, but won! It was very difficult to solve, but it was decided. Read. By the way, in Russia now it is very similar to the situation when Li Quan Yu began the fight against corruption. Since it looks like it means there is hope of victory.
      3. Nick
        Nick 3 December 2012 23: 35
        0
        Quote: Nose
        Putin doesn’t have that flair for shots (some marshals of Victory are worth it!) And his spirit doesn’t have enough to part with crap fellow countrymen and associates.

        TIME WILL TELL...
  3. Igarr
    Igarr 3 December 2012 12: 50
    +1
    This is all, of course, interesting.
    But, the answer to two main questions - was not heard.
    Who is to blame?
    What to do?..
    ...
    And, "bloody executioner" - in another topic has already been appointed. One comrade.
    And this comrade - we all know.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2012 12: 56
      +8
      Quote: Igarr
      Who is to blame?
      What to do?.

      These are two eternal questions and there is no answer to them. Leontiev in this case argues, but says nothing new.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 3 December 2012 13: 03
        -5
        Leontiev balabol and critic, very comfortable position ............... would offer a way out if everyone is dissatisfied and knows everything (if he criticizes) ............. ..it’s like Yavlinsky, he always criticized the authorities, and when he was offered to hide himself in the yoke, he immediately turned on the return line ................ if he’s so smart, offer a good idea, concrete, tangible steps , and always screech from the gateway ......
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 3 December 2012 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        These are two eternal questions and there is no answer to them. Leontiev in this case argues, but says nothing new.

        But what can he say? There are answers to these questions, but he will never voice them, even if he knows. Gradual change of the socio-political system from capitalist to socialist with a certain share of freedoms for private capital, but controlled by the state
        1. dmb
          dmb 3 December 2012 16: 58
          -2
          Baltic. Sounds good in theory. But how in practice? This is possible (in my opinion) only when people who profess the ideas of socialism and communism come to power. This has happened in world history. In Chile. How it ended. everybody knows. And even though there was such a powerful supporting factor as the USSR. There is no need to believe that the current government will give it up voluntarily, according to the will of the people. I will not say about the presidential elections, but the Duma elections have clearly shown this. And if you remember how we popularly voted for Yeltsin in 96 or for iPhone, then this belief completely disappears. Even if a worthy leader appears in the country who wins elections, there will immediately be a lot of reasons not to hold them. Well, there are insidious Georgians, Caucasian or Russian nationalists. But you never know what else you can think of. And therefore, no matter how much we want it. everything will end again "senseless and merciless." Hell, all my life I considered myself an optimist, but here even this is deprived. Not a prophet, and I will gladly read an opinion that refutes mine, but with the specifics of its fulfillment.
      3. bask
        bask 3 December 2012 13: 25
        +14
        1- Guilty, guilty ,, SYSTEM ,, built in the 2000s, it helped then save Russia from collapse. But now this system is pulling us back 2-what to do. It is necessary to build a SOCIALLY-ORIENTED STATE !!! Relying not on a narrow circle of elected officials and oligarchs. And on the majority of the country's working population .....
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 3 December 2012 13: 48
          0
          Quote: bask
          . It is necessary to build a SOCIALLY-ORIENTED STATE !!!

          Greetings, Basque! Quite right. This socially oriented is socialist, for any capitalist system is oriented towards capital, which usually belongs to a much smaller group of people and serves this group.
        2. Glory
          Glory 3 December 2012 22: 23
          0
          Your words ... I agree with you completely, but this is akin to utopia.
      4. Odessa
        Odessa 3 December 2012 13: 50
        +5
        Alexander Romanov,
        These are two eternal questions and there is no answer to them.

        If youth knew, if old age could!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2012 15: 12
          +3
          Quote: Odessa
          If youth knew, if old age could!

          I heard about the old horse, and mother wink
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 3 December 2012 18: 48
            +1
            Yes, brothers .. I agree with everything.
            With additions..
            here we have - old age knows.
            In principle, it can even.
            If he wants to.
            ...
            And ... dig deep - youth will help.
            ..
            One question - .... do we want?
      5. vovan1949
        vovan1949 3 December 2012 22: 31
        +1
        The answers to these questions lie on the surface:

        1. Who is to blame? - Those who carried out an unconstitutional coup in 1991-1993.
        2. What to do is to return Soviet power and bring to justice those who ruined the country and turned it into a raw materials appendage of the West.
        And do not pour bile. You, gentlemen, have brought as much grief to the country in 21 years as Hitler did not. You robbed the people, created a class of bourgeoisie and think that this will get away with you? You have to pay for everything. History teaches this.
  4. Lissyara
    Lissyara 3 December 2012 12: 53
    +7
    It smells of a custom article, and doesn’t even smell, but it stinks.
    What's the difference - "putins", "bolotins", etc. Everyone is striving for power, and power, as you know, is money.
    Yes, as soon as they put their asses in the armchairs of the sovereign (wipe their pants and, to a greater extent, in the third reading, adopt 80% of stupid laws, which then can be "bypassed" with "applications") - and that's it, the people's representatives have forgotten about the people! In the first place is "We are now inviolable! We must grab, grab and grab ..."
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 3 December 2012 15: 12
      +4
      Greetings Sergey! Once again I see a note about the third reading by the State Duma. I wanted to dispel these doubts (which thereby wiped the pants). The fact is that this is the very procedure for considering the State Duma of introduced bills.
      1 reading: its concept is discussed, an assessment is made of the conformity of the main provisions of the bill with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, its relevance and practical significance
      2 reading: consideration of the bill, taking into account its adjustment (amendments made and the result of their consideration by the responsible committee)
      3 reading: provides for the final adoption of the bill as a law (amendments to it and return to discussing the bill as a whole or to discussing its individual sections, chapters, articles are not allowed).

      Many bills unfold after the first reading (not appropriate, not relevant, contrary to the constitution, etc.). This allows you to optimize the lawmaking process.
      I also have an opinion about the swamp. After the elections to the State Duma, he had a great desire to go somewhere and state his position on lies in summing up the results of the vote. Not only did they force state employees and employees to vote for the party in power, but even when summing up the results, they lied so much! And it seems that the people began to be indignant (and that the most interesting Zyuganov disappeared somewhere at that time (apparently he got what the authorities promised and that’s all, he stopped there)). What to do? As I understand it, they decided to discredit it all. But as? Give permission to conduct actions in the swamp area. Now all the protesters are associated with the swamp and its fauna. And if the action took place, for example, on Victory Square ?! (This does not mean anything !!!). And the second is to send all this shushara there (which I cannot stand for spirit: Germans, sobchak, kudrrin (also an interesting character in this event), etc.). That's all! In the bag!
  5. zmey
    zmey 3 December 2012 12: 54
    +7
    Zadolbali with this "swamp sphere".
    Ah why did this happen? Yes, because these freaks began to move away from those feeders that the authorities left them.
  6. bubla5
    bubla5 3 December 2012 12: 56
    +1
    For sure, anyone who opposes the cougar at this stage, becomes a foreign agent because of such media or, at worst, a criminal, there’s simply no good politician, everyone’s ass in Mr., if that’s the case, then the people will join nationalism
  7. sashka
    sashka 3 December 2012 13: 00
    +15
    Untold stupidity .. The people and the opposition have nothing in common with each other .. "opposition" is fighting for the trough, and the PEOPLE just want fair elections .. That's all. And the fact that these idiots imagine themselves the saviors of the Fatherland. So this is their misfortune and stupidity ..
  8. skeptic
    skeptic 3 December 2012 13: 03
    +4
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    The author calls on the authorities to "kill themselves up the wall"? With whom will this fascinating action begin?

    Preferably with Serdyukov and the like.
  9. sashka
    sashka 3 December 2012 13: 05
    +5
    Dear Moderators. The Saratov region is not included in the US states. Why is the Amer flag ???
    1. Fox
      Fox 3 December 2012 13: 13
      +15
      late ... already sold out.
      1. sashka
        sashka 3 December 2012 13: 20
        +3
        Funny .. Chess. +++
    2. Nose
      Nose 3 December 2012 13: 38
      +7
      Quote: Sasha
      Saratov region is not included in the US states Why the flag of Amer

      And you ask the governor where the Saratov region is entering today ?! wassat
      1. sashka
        sashka 3 December 2012 21: 45
        +2
        And thank you .. Calmed. and then already "worn out all.hi
        1. Glory
          Glory 3 December 2012 22: 28
          +1
          And we thought ... goodbye, Saratov.
  10. arkady149
    arkady149 3 December 2012 13: 12
    +3
    Quote: "all this office manager plankton are the servants of our elite kleptocracy located in Moscow. By the way, in this context it is very funny when, on behalf of this public, they call for the fight against corruption. If corruption is defeated, it will not even have to be exterminated, it will simply starve to death. " Leontyev is an expert on Old German.
    In general, the article is a plus, the dude thinks out of the ordinary, and he doesn’t feel the strain of humor.
    In general, friends, I have one "presentiment of great changes" or is it really "in the air"? Because if first, then it's time to go into a binge, and if I'm not the only one like that, then we can help the authorities cleanse themselves.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 3 December 2012 13: 24
      +1
      ARKADY 149 "Do I have one" premonition of great changes "or is it really" in the air "?
      Because if the first, then it's time to go into a binge ... "


      ARKASHA,
      THIS IS EXCEPT HOW TO OFFER ANYTHING NOT IN CONDITION.
      IF YOU WANT - FILL FOR HEALTH UNDER THROAT
      1. arkady149
        arkady149 3 December 2012 15: 07
        +1
        Dear donchepano, the world is not as primitive and straightforward as you think about it, and only my mother calls me "Arkasha", you are not my mother.
        PS I have not been drinking for more than 8 years.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 3 December 2012 13: 50
      +1
      arkady149
      Quote: arkady149
      Quote: "all this office manager plankton - this is our servants elite kleptocracylocalized in Moscow.

      I've also noticed from Leontiev: "Compradorsk bourgeois-democratic quasi-revolution"...
      Well, you need to wrap it up lol
      Leontyev, of course (maybe) is a fine fellow, but such "pearls" suggest that ... he probably ate something ...
      You can’t say better than the first commenter:
      Quote: S_mirnov
      Journalism will have to disappoint a little, The people in Russia are not at all as stupid as the ruling elite wants to see him. Abramovich, Chubais, Prokhorov and other parasites sucking the blood of the people did not become dearer to us, and the people did not become more tolerant of the corruption vertical of power!
  11. ozs
    ozs 3 December 2012 13: 18
    -1
    Power is a mirror image of the elite.
  12. vezunchik
    vezunchik 3 December 2012 13: 22
    +3
    The prerequisites of the revolution are that the upper classes cannot govern in the new, and the lower classes cannot live in the old.
    it is to carry out a social revolution from above - to change the current elite. - Who will voluntarily give up power and money ??? and who will do it?
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 5 December 2012 03: 16
      0
      The fact of the matter is that in the general mass of the lower classes for a very long time they wish to live in the old way. They are afraid that the new will be even worse! And this is probably correct. Change is necessary gradually. I also remember the Chilean version of Penochet (Chile due to this climbed out of the crisis pit). And the Gorbachevo-Yeltsin option in the Russian Federation was not very forgotten. So while the lower classes do not want quick changes, all these ribbons, rosetters, etc. doomed to failure.
  13. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 3 December 2012 13: 36
    -2
    In my opinion, not a custom-made article, but Leontiev a custom-made dude. It seems like he criticizes slowly, but he keeps the general line:
    Rise of power against the elite. Direct appeal to the people through the head of the acting elites. Actually, the current government is addressing this, however, mainly on image trifles. But even this provides her with legitimacy.

    Those. again there is a direct distinction between the king and the boyars. The king is good, Boyars are bad. Alas, in our situation this is not so, and the king and the boyars are MONOLATING with us! So minus an unambiguous article!
    And by the way, who can tell why this Leontiev is so often published here?
  14. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 3 December 2012 13: 51
    +2
    This swamp is tired of Sobchak and her minions, it's time to do business comrades!
  15. taseka
    taseka 3 December 2012 13: 55
    +3
    "and a truly manageable mass."
    - I do not want to be a mass in their understanding, and even more so they are controlled !!!
    I’m a little sick that in a month they stole 6 billion from Moscow Region, 12 billion from agriculture, 6,5 billion from Roscosmos and all 3,5 from housing and communal services of Leningrad.
    1. Cavas
      Cavas 3 December 2012 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: taseka
      and only 3,5 with the housing and communal services of Leningrad.

      Is it a shame for Leningrad? laughing
      Not enough took ???? request
      1. taseka
        taseka 4 December 2012 14: 33
        0
        drinks I agree! I think stolen much more - now do not be offended!
  16. click80
    click80 3 December 2012 14: 04
    +3
    And not tired of talking about these swamps? They exist exactly as long as they talk about them. while they are discussing. It is forbidden to talk about them in the media, as they immediately disappear.
    1. alexng
      alexng 3 December 2012 14: 57
      0
      That's it. All of these # bogs are designed for the reaction of the media, and the rest is just a stray pecking at the white-muddy stories to create extras. And they are on the drum, what will be the composition of this crowd, The main thing is to create the appearance and declare itself. But the trouble is: everywhere this issue took place with rainbow revolutions, and in Russia the tooth broke. Does not roll primitive for Russia. Russia needs highly intelligent presenters to entail what was simply not on the swamp. And as if some would not knock themselves on the chest, that creative was going there. What kind of creative is # xren, if you ran into a swamp and stand in line with Kasparov, Nemtsov and the red cat Chubais.
      1. sashka
        sashka 31 July 2013 13: 11
        0
        WHO ARE YOU? A MAN OR A WOMAN?
  17. gen.meleshkin
    gen.meleshkin 3 December 2012 14: 23
    +2
    Well done Leontyev. And in the tail and mane of these Orangemen. Like an ace warmer.
    1. kostello2004
      kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 50
      -5
      comfort yourself with illusions?
  18. lotus04
    lotus04 3 December 2012 15: 17
    -3
    What a face !!! Right father of Russian democracy!
    1. Dubrovin
      Dubrovin 3 December 2012 20: 56
      +5
      You are better on the substance of the article speak out. And then it's somehow ... like a woman.
    2. sashka
      sashka 3 December 2012 23: 05
      -3
      To make a "smart" face and talk nonsense .. This is in the spirit of the times .. Look at Pu, look at the LADIES .. The image of "smart" and "loyal" must be observed .. Even if you kill yourself .. And then they will call it swamp ... But I sat next to the "president" and gave advice .. It costs a lot. Grandchildren will also remember ..
    3. Nickname
      Nickname 4 December 2012 09: 53
      0
      And he does not sing for food.
      Someone in doubt?
    4. Sandov
      Sandov 4 December 2012 21: 01
      0
      lotus04,
      Yes, like a man in adequate. He explained everything quite sensibly.
  19. Cavas
    Cavas 3 December 2012 15: 19
    +2
    The swamp protest, of course, was not any social revolution or even an attempt. This is a rebellion of the comprador elite against the government. In any case, against its element, which is such power in the Russian historical sense, more simply, against Putin V.V.




    Why is a hamster protest in principle unpromising where the state really exists and the government functions, at least somehow conscious of itself as such?




    The only thing the bogs achieved was an impressive and representative vote for Putin, who was allowed by the bog movement to carry out a completely meaningful election campaign.




    Conclusion: paid to their GDP, respect to his political scientists! laughing
  20. Roomata
    Roomata 3 December 2012 15: 36
    +2
    What to do
    1. understand what is needed for the country and not for the individual
    2. adopt a new form of government neo-political system
    3. the foundation of the Public Safety Concept
    4. get rid of doom tips and other unnecessary junk
    5. And now to think and the person
    6. Planned Market Strategic Sector (for starters)
    7.
    8.
  21. Atlon
    Atlon 3 December 2012 15: 56
    +3
    Only orange read the article? Judging by the minuses / pluses - it is! laughing
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 3 December 2012 17: 59
      +1
      Not orange during working hours on the site ... eating pears do not fool us we need to work.
    2. Dubrovin
      Dubrovin 3 December 2012 20: 57
      +2
      It looks like it.
  22. ironman
    ironman 3 December 2012 17: 13
    +2
    Аthe second writes:
    Actually, the only rational solution for the current government is to carry out a social revolution from above - to change the current elite.


    And I think so.
    The only way out for the government is to live by the same laws that it writes for the people.
    To reduce the gap between the minimum and maximum wages for civil servants by up to 10 times. If for private individuals wages go beyond this limit, apply a progressive taxation scale.
    It is treated in the same clinics.
    There is much more to offer ....
  23. Leisure
    Leisure 3 December 2012 17: 26
    +3
    Putin, given a loan to fix. We will watch who is executed and who is not.
    And Michael, writes interestingly, in his characteristic manner.
    1. kostello2004
      kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 55
      -8
      he writes cynically and not professionally. biased and imposed. Do you like to be cheated? Watch the news on the 1st and listen to Comrade. Leontiev
    2. lotus04
      lotus04 3 December 2012 18: 01
      -3
      Quote: Lazer
      And Michael, writes interestingly, in his characteristic manner.


      Yes Yes! And in the interests of which team he plays, probably everyone knows.
  24. kostello2004
    kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 54
    -7
    I think half of this forum, those that can think and analyze, it has long been clear that Mr. Leontiev is the paid protege of the Kremlin. His salary is directly proportional to the tons of lies rushing from his mouth to the masses about our power, and inversely proportional to the level of the opposition rating. All his nonsense and absurdity are sometimes saddening, as well as his submissions and the stuffing of slander on the first channel. A sort of Mr. however, anti-American, and Jewish-phobic,
    1. Glory
      Glory 3 December 2012 22: 33
      +3
      anti-American, and eurephobe, Our man!
  25. djon3volta
    djon3volta 3 December 2012 18: 18
    +6
    judging by the minuses to the article, soon the majority of the site will be hamsters ..
    1. Dubrovin
      Dubrovin 3 December 2012 21: 00
      0
      Funny picture!
  26. Colonel
    Colonel 3 December 2012 19: 24
    +2
    "Social revolution from above" is how? Louis wrote out the guillotine for himself?
  27. WW3
    WW3 3 December 2012 19: 33
    +12
    That is, the swamp movement is a typical orangeade. Raw materials for the production of "orange revolutions"

    Leontyev "+" this is where people like Nemtsov adopted the experience ...
  28. Karabin
    Karabin 3 December 2012 19: 50
    +1
    It is very bad for the authorities with propaganda, since such articles by Leontyev appear. Again a greasy record, about how insidiously dangerous was the threat from the swamp, and only the wise Putin figured it out, and out of habit once again saved the Fatherland, and possibly the world. And such a pearl "This is the uprising of the comprador elite against the power. In any case, against that element of it, which in the Russian historical sense is such a power, in other words, against Vladimir Putin." Who is it for? Leoniev goes out of his way to separate Putin from the elite. (By the way, the journalist was ashamed to name the names of the elites.) And what else should the person responsible for providing information support to the authorities do when the latest corruption cases swept the Kremlin walls?
    Now, it is urgent to separate the bright image of the Leader, from the muzzles of the stealing nominees, even in such a primitive way.
  29. Dubrovin
    Dubrovin 3 December 2012 21: 01
    0
    The article is sensible.
  30. vezunchik
    vezunchik 3 December 2012 21: 09
    0
    The city court of St. Petersburg on Monday overturned the decision of the Vasileostrovsky district court, which had earlier ordered to recover 30 thousand rubles from the former head teacher of the city school number 575 Tatyana Ivanova, who accused the RONO and Gorzbirkom employees of forcing her to falsify the December State Duma and city parliament, RIA Novosti reported. Ivanova herself.

    The former head teacher Tatyana Ivanova, who was the chairman of PEC number 99 in St. Petersburg, after the presidential election on March 4, said in an interview with the press that officials of the RONO and the Gorizbirkom had incited her to throw ballots. After that, she was fired from school.

    The head of RONO, Natalia Nazarova, filed a lawsuit in court to protect her goodwill and demand to recover 100 thousand rubles from a teacher. Vasileostrovsky district court decided to recover 30 thousand rubles. The respondent side challenged this decision.

    “Today was the second appeal hearing. Nazarova’s lawsuit was denied, ”Tatyana Ivanova said, noting that she was very glad that this story was finally over.
    1. vovan1949
      vovan1949 3 December 2012 22: 52
      0
      Gangster Petersburg does not abandon its people in trouble.
  31. sprut
    sprut 3 December 2012 22: 03
    0
    Russia has already fulfilled its limit on revolutions and various changes of power; that’s enough.
  32. Normal
    Normal 3 December 2012 23: 00
    -2
    Another trill of Putin's nightingale. I must admit that Leontiev almost surpassed himself. Either the coke was delivered too picky, or the euphoria overwhelmed in the wake of the victory over the bogs, but the sense of proportion and the ability to assess the degree of his lies to Leontiev have been changing more and more often lately.
    But how loudly whistles; "In principle, we have a simple alternative.
    A) The uprising of the authorities against the elite. Direct appeal to the people through the head of the current elites "
    Wow! Putin to appeal to the people. Right over the elite’s head. To the people who are robbed by this elite with complete inaction, if not under the direct supervision of Putin himself. To the people who GDP itself despises and fears. With whom I am not able to speak directly, without selecting questions and those who will ask these questions. And what will he say? What 13 years tracked thieves and let them closer, so as not to frighten and miss? The funny thing is that there will immediately approve, and from this site, including, and enthusiastically praise Putin's insight. Leontiev will certainly be ahead of everyone.
    "B) The uprising of the people against the elite and the government. Which at the same time will mean that there is no power in the real historical Russian sense ........ In our particular case, this may mean the state suicide of the Russian people." So that's it. Not much nor less; the uprising of the people against the existing state of affairs is a state suicide. Nothing else from Leontiev after this: "This is an uprising of the comprador elite against the government. In any case, against the element of that power, which in the RUSSIAN HISTORICAL SENSE is such a power. Simply put, against Putin" one should not wait.
    In this article, Leontiev puts an equal sign between the State and Putin, between the existence of the Russian people in the historical sense and the autocracy of great dullness. Not much left. Declare GDP as the Father of the people, Leader, and .... Beloved Leader.
  33. MG42
    MG42 3 December 2012 23: 29
    +8
    Nemtsov is always glad to be taken to the police. lol
  34. Coba
    Coba 4 December 2012 00: 55
    -2
    Well, then you at the plant agree with what your director is doing and keep quiet. Putin can’t work for all of you. A little that they turn to Putin, a little that Putin is guilty, that the plant is pulled apart. Yes, work on your own plant. He’s probably seized and you were silent,


    Untold stupidity .. The people and the opposition have nothing in common with each other .. "opposition" is fighting for the trough, and the PEOPLE just want fair elections .. That's all. And the fact that these idiots imagine themselves the saviors of the Fatherland. So this is their misfortune and stupidity ..


    Power is a mirror image of the elite.


    Those. again there is a direct distinction between the king and the boyars. The king is good, Boyars are bad. Alas, in our situation this is not so, and the king and the boyars are MONOLATING with us! So minus an unambiguous article!
    And by the way, who can tell why this Leontiev is so often published here?


    Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.


    Putin, given a loan to fix. We will watch who is executed and who is not.
    And Michael, writes interestingly, in his characteristic manner.


    "You try, guess who is responsible for the failures:
    The hostess threw a hare, dropped the ball into the river ...? "

    And I say Putin. Ready to prove it on the fingers. "Boyars" only imitate the "king." Insignificant breeds like that. Remember how easily the “Communists" threw off the guise of a nationality, the dream of domination always ripened among them. I don’t think it’s possible to put an equal sign between Bolotnaya and the “Orange”.

    Well apples on a birch will not be born. The wait is not long. Those who stamp "Ends of the World" know more about the essence of the matter. And this, of course, is not natural disasters ...
  35. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 4 December 2012 01: 42
    -5
    Listen comrades, what is going on? Zamususuyut all comments against Leontief! Does he really love him here? I went in during the day, the situation was different. And the article somehow sharply gained pluses! Nobody knows, and Leontyev under what nickname is sitting here? And also someone will answer the question that was asked above, why is it so often published here?
    1. Irkutsk
      Irkutsk 4 December 2012 06: 10
      +1
      just normal people rummage after working on tyrnets, and publish Leontiev here, because this site is made by people and is intended for people who are patriotic. You can, of course, starve out, mock, pour mud on everything Russian, but this will not achieve the expected result, the contingent here is largely adult, it’s difficult to zombie. You better go to rambler, there is worthy srach. And who gave these singers of the revolution the right to speak on behalf of the people, I am a dense Siberian people, and people around me, no one is going to barricades, keep creative for fools, idlers Once we rebel, we work for ourselves and the country, and we live normally who wants, and parasites always and everywhere enough. Pensioners are poor in Thailand they go to bask, eat bread, and take fruit. And of course we have corruption, we hope when Moscow will be cleaned and taken up for ours.
      1. Normal
        Normal 4 December 2012 07: 06
        +1
        Quote: Irkutsk
        I am a people of dense Siberian, and around me people

        You have to understand that only you are the people, and in Moscow there are only loafers. And I will remind you of some interesting enterprises in Moscow: Znamya Truda Plant is the oldest aviation plant in Russia, the former Dux bicycle plant on which Tupolev assembled his first aircraft. In the late 80s there are 17000 employees, now there are no more than three. Zil - practically closed. The 1st Moscow Watch Factory "Slava" - destroyed. AZLK now has Avtoframos (well, at least something). MAPO "MIG", "Energy" "Lightning", "Zvezda", Plant named after Khrunicheva, VILS - what has been closed, what has been sold, and what is in the air (compared to Soviet times). The average age of workers and engineers is retirement and pre-retirement age. Hundreds of industries were closed all over Moscow, where labor productivity and production culture were many times higher than in your Irkutsk. Together with the factories, the kindergartens and clinics belonging to them were closed. The capitalists need space and premises and do not need workers at all, and the power of the entire 13 years of the GDP rule serves the interests of capital.
        Quote: Irkutsk
        We have no time to rebel, we work,
        The authorities have not reached your hands yet, you are far away. But nothing comes to you, do not worry. When your company is closed and made out of it warehouses for Chinese junk. When your children will have no place to go because a beauty salon will open in a former kindergarten. When you can’t even get a driver on a minibus or a janitor, because only Tajiks will be taken there, then we’ll see how you speak. How will you praise Putin and Leontyev
        1. Irkutsk
          Irkutsk 4 December 2012 07: 44
          +1
          Where did you read laudatory odes from me? Like any adult sane person, I distinguish not only black and white, but also see other shades. Youthful maximalism fell ill in the early 80s. And it annoys me the constant flickering of the president and Co. on the de-debtor, although I only look at it for news (by the way, euronews). But the srach that creative people arranged in tyrnet (forgive me, my God) is simply lawlessness. I declare responsibly: there is no devastation in the country, whoever wants to will always find a feasible job, build and buy housing, over the past few years traffic jams on roads from the abundance have appeared in Siberian cities, Putin is not to blame for the dog's death (although in tyrnet flashed that they saw him personally at the entrance with a piece of sausage)
          Shouting an alarm, repeating mantras about devastation, pu-me-noeekat a lot of mind is not necessary, try to work.
          For those who shout about price increases, I’ll tell you a terrible secret: it always has been and always will be, for my long enough life they have never dropped (I’m not talking about seasonal fluctuations)
          You are here telling how hard it is for Moscow residents to live, and so many enterprises have closed, but in the 90s. And since that time, flea markets and warehouses are present in them. By the way, the sent effective managers with huge conceit and absolute inability to solve production issues had a hand in the closure of many enterprises. I hope from which city you do not need to specify?
          1. Wertynskiy
            Wertynskiy 4 December 2012 09: 37
            +2
            Quote: Irkutsk
            we work for ourselves and the country, and we live normally, whoever wants to, and parasites always and everywhere have had enough. Pensioners are poor in Thailand they go to bask, eat bread, and take fruit.

            So we are not idle here, let it be known to you that we also work a little. judging by the nickname, you are from Irkutsk, well, I don’t know what kind of paradise you have there, such, you know, pensioners already go to Thailand, but you have two regions to choose from:
            Tula region - pension of a pensioner does not exceed 10 rubles. We deduct the charge for gas, electricity, water, etc. a thousand 000 will settle. food and clothing, there remains a maximum of 8 - however, it is not enough in Thailand! The average salary in the city of Bogoroditsk, Tula region - 500 tr Are there also some loafers in your opinion?
            Kamchatka Territory - you can work only in structures, i.e. Ministry of Internal Affairs, Armed Forces, Ministry of Emergencies, state institutions. All this is due to the fact that the private sector in Kamchatka is almost killed, the fishing industry is focused only on catching and handing over fish to Japan, Korea, and China. I do not consider stalls and shopping centers for jobs. The population of Kamchatka is steadily declining. The average pension is 15 thousand, but the prices are two times higher than on the mainland. Thailand, however, does not come out again.
            So Irkutsk, it doesn’t turn out that rainbow picture that you painted. I once lived in a strong country that everyone respected. My parents in this country felt confident in the future, knew that they would always have the means to grow, learn and put their children on their feet, they flew to rest, not to Thailand, of course, and were damn kind of happy. What about now? Are you sure about your tomorrow? (not only for myself, but also for a neighbor, a pensioner, for that young family over the road and for that guy?)
            1. Irkutsk
              Irkutsk 4 December 2012 11: 00
              0
              Well, if I started on you, then I also (although I don’t remember where I met). Here you are tearing your hair out of your chest with grief and sprinkling ashes on your head, of course not all pensioners are in the same conditions, many have industry additives, however, an industrial region. In a great country, my grandmother had a pension of 50, then 70rur, was forced to work as a technical person. I have never heard complaints or whining from her. If you want to be unhappy - whether you do not want to - no one will force you. And about the rainbow land - I have to wander around the regions and cities of the country, I did not see much devastation, there are remnants of the tricked out in the 90s. The truth was not in those regions about which you are crying, but everywhere the people have one opinion - the damned Muscovites, they destroyed everything and took all the money for themselves. I’m not saying that I agree with this, people are different everywhere, there are decent people in the capital, but look for a pensioner in Kamchatka that is not enough there.
              1. Normal
                Normal 4 December 2012 17: 56
                +1
                Quote: Irkutsk
                By the way, the sent effective managers with great conceit and absolute inability to solve production issues had a hand in the closure of many enterprises. I hope from which city do not need to be clarified?
                Why not? I have to! Not really from Moscow? And saw the registration? Since my childhood in the Moscow Region, I noticed one interesting situation that repeats with us and only worsens over time. When a company of 5-7 men gathers, it turns out that there are only one or two born here, and even then if there are any.
                If you look at where the "effective managers" were sent from, I can assure you that there will be a minority of Muscovites. And when were Muscovites in power? Everything is entirely RRRussians.
                Quote: Irkutsk
                but everywhere the people have one opinion - damned Muscovites
                There is nothing to blame if the erysipelas are crooked. In Moscow, those with all their grandfathers and grandmothers born in the capital less than 3% The rest are newcomers.
                In addition, let me remind you that the glorious city of Peter has already got everyone and everything, and from there comes almost all the infection in the Russian land.
                And as for popular opinion, I already wrote that when working at the plant, people from all over Russia came to us (including from Irkutsk), business trips to exchange experience. So the opinion is not new to me. They all left with a different opinion, since no one could teach us anything (No, I'm lying, there was one amazing locksmith. You know where it came from Odessa), but they themselves had to learn how to organize jobs, and technology, and labor productivity. and indeed the whole culture of production. Only in one, as a rule, were workers and engineers from all over mother Russia (especially from the Urals and Siberia) superior in prices and wages.
            2. Irkutsk
              Irkutsk 4 December 2012 11: 39
              0
              by the way, Irkutsk is a city, so you need to write with a capital letter, however, the Russian language. And then you have the names of countries with a large, and the Russian city with a capital. I really hope that a little one, and not a worldview.
              1. Wertynskiy
                Wertynskiy 4 December 2012 12: 32
                0
                What are you talking about, well, what a damn complaint! I just do not share your optimism! I just don’t understand the position when half of the site stood up for Putin here, and those who criticized him were called orangeists! Well, a country that is rich in rich resources, talented and hardworking people, a huge industrial and scientific base cannot be in such a devastation that we are in now! Well, she cannot support so many oligarchs with such a beggarly pension! Well, a country cannot live without a clear ideology, especially Russia! And I remind you that Putin is currently Russia's chief commander, so who to criticize, boyars or something?
                I apologize for Irkutsk with the little one, but only Kamchatka with the big one should be with you.
                1. Sandov
                  Sandov 4 December 2012 21: 13
                  -1
                  Wertynskiy,
                  Not for Putin, but for the country. Russia is more expensive than any Western de-ma.
            3. Sandov
              Sandov 4 December 2012 21: 11
              -1
              Wertynskiy,
              Thank you for publishing Leontiev, and not the swamps. This makes me happy. So the country has a future.
              1. Wertynskiy
                Wertynskiy 5 December 2012 12: 44
                +1
                Quote: Sandov
                Thank you for publishing Leontiev, and not the swamps. This makes me happy. So the country has a future.

                Are you serious or what? Do not laugh? Do not jerk?

                But here I did not understand:
                Quote: Sandov
                Not for Putin, but for the country. Russia is more expensive than any Western de-ma.

                Those. I can conclude from your opus that Putin is the western de-mo-mo! did you mean that?
                1. Sandov
                  Sandov 5 December 2012 21: 25
                  -2
                  Wertynskiy,
                  I mean your swamps advertised by the West and receiving grants for the destruction of RUSSIA.
  36. Magadan
    Magadan 4 December 2012 04: 58
    +1
    The orange threat is the same as the threat of the Martians. In our country, the only threat is bureaucrats frostbite on our heads.
    An example is Golikova. She issued a decree on medical commissions for workers on a rotational basis. As a result, an engineer in mines with vision minus 2 were fired. Their families are really starving.
    Question No. 1: What the hell was the Minister of Health shitting on people like that?
    Question number "2: What the hell to us is the State Duma, when it turns out that bureaucrats, albeit high-ranking officials, can pass laws. And I don't give a damn if it's a" law "or" decree "or any other legal term. It is important that this crap has deprived of work my friends.
    Question number 3: If Golikova had the right to adopt a law according to which "for the sake of our own good" we were restricted in the right to work, then maybe the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has the right to issue a decree ("law", "regulation", other crap) according to which in my house, "for my own good" can a cop come to check?
    That's where the problem is with us, not the orange ones. And also our roads cost $ 17 million per km, when in Finland they cost $ 6.5 million. And apart from moo-oink, I have not yet personally seen a clear answer from the iksperds on the internet.
  37. military
    military 4 December 2012 11: 02
    +1
    Quote: Magadan
    The orange threat is the same as the threat of the Martians. In our country, the only threat is bureaucrats frostbite on our heads.

    drinks and who, in this situation, is most profitable to exaggerate the "threat of orangeism" thesis? ... try to guess on the first try ... winked
  38. mole
    mole 4 December 2012 13: 49
    +1
    Well, nifiga, pensioners live with you - 10000 rubles - 2500 UAH ... Now, only now we have begun to receive pensioners in the region of 1000 UAH. and enough for everything, but 2500 UAH. salary of many workers. Moreover, the prices are almost equal. And you still drive a barrel on Putin. I will tell you so there will be no Putin in 10 years. Ukraine will turn into Syria, and Russia will simply disappear. Break up into small states. Putin is actually a patriot, his goal is to restore the Russian empire. He does everything for this, although the elite surrounding him does not give him much to do. And it’s sad to observe in many comments this attitude to your leader. I hope that in the near future Russia will gain full sovereignty, become stronger and become the Russian Empire. But Ukraine and Belarus themselves will want to join the strong neighbor, because the weak always tends to be strong. I sincerely hope for the development of such a scenario, because we are the brotherly people betrayed by the American spy combiner Gorbachev. And the presence of a swamp only indicates the right direction of Putin’s path. Do you think the Americans would have allocated money for the swamp if they were all happy with the current situation. Of course not. After all, if Russia grows stronger and stands on its feet, it will be a competitor in hegemony on the world platform. And they need it ???? So, I think it’s necessary to just have patience and support your president in all his actions. If you think that in some cases Putin is doing something that is not in the interests of the country, then you are far from mistaken. We simply cannot know all the information that he owns and, accordingly, draw the right conclusions. And all hamsters that escalate the situation must be driven with a broom. Otherwise there will be sadness.
  39. Marconi41
    Marconi41 5 December 2012 03: 21
    +1
    One financial institution has a motto: Each team has a person who knows what to do. This person must be FIRED! Sitting at the computer, many know what the country needs, absolutely not thinking about the reputation of this country. During revolutions or any other "invasion" - the country's rating definitely falls. The country immediately loses its credibility and its own allies. Well, who wants that ?!