With the delay of the NMD, the destruction of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy by Ukrainian naval drones is just a matter of time

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With the delay of the NMD, the destruction of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy by Ukrainian naval drones is just a matter of time

Image generated by neural network

Participation of ships of the Naval fleet The Russian Federation (Russian Navy), in particular the Black Sea Fleet (BSF), in conducting a special military operation (SVO) is quite limited, of course, if we talk specifically about the naval component of the Navy, since coastal units, support equipment, etc. can be used quite actively, we just don't know much about it. The ships, apparently, are used only for the periodic launch of Caliber cruise missiles.

Why is this happening?



Firstly, because the enemy does not have a fleet. The ships of the Black Sea Fleet simply have no one to fight with.

Secondly, limited opportunities - it is unlikely that the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy will be able to carry out a landing operation on the coast of Ukraine, even if such a command arrives. Most likely, most of the ships involved in the landing operation will be destroyed by anti-ship missiles (ASMs) supplied by Western countries, and the landing force, if it does reach the coast, will be dropped into the sea. By the way, it is still unclear how the cruiser Moskva died ...


The cause of the death of the missile cruiser "Moskva" has not yet been disclosed

Thirdly, political games. The ships of the Black Sea Fleet could organize a blockade of Ukrainian ports, but because of the “grain deal”, the enemy not only sells grain and buys with this money weapon, which, which is not excluded, is being transported to Ukraine by the same ships, which then export grain. And then the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) use these weapons against Russian troops, as well as against peaceful cities and villages.

In addition, the absence of a naval blockade is used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to carry out attacks on the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet itself. You can't imagine a more absurd situation.

It is about the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet that we will talk in more detail today.

"Mosquito Fleet" of a new formation


In September 2022, an unmanned boat (BEK) of unknown design was discovered on the Crimean coast near the city of Sevastopol. Apparently, the BEC washed up on the coast, as a result of which he was unable to continue his actions. The boat did not have any state symbols or designations of the manufacturer. A characteristic feature of this unmanned boat was the presence of a Starlink satellite dish on it.


A beached unmanned boat - the antenna of the Starlink satellite communication terminal is circled in red

Later, on October 29, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched another attack on the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy. According to the Ukrainian side, three Russian ships, the Admiral Makarov frigate, the Ivan Golubets minesweeper, and another unidentified ship, were seriously damaged by the strikes inflicted with the help of seven naval BEC kamikazes. The Russian side confirms only that the minesweeper "Ivan Golubets" received minor damage, and the rest drones or blown up on booms, or were destroyed.

Where did the APU get BEC-kamikaze?

Initially, it was assumed that BEC-kamikaze were delivered to Ukraine by any of the Western countries. However, in November 2022, Ukraine began raising funds to build a fleet of unmanned attack boats, as President Zelensky announced on his official Telegram channel. It is stated that the purchased crewless boats were developed in Ukraine, although, of course, all their filling was produced in Western countries.

There are suggestions that the BEC-kamikaze was developed and operated with the participation of British specialists. According to other sources, technical solutions from the American BEC MANTAS T-12 were used in their design.


American BEC MANTAS T-12

The created Ukrainian BEC-kamikazes have a hull length of 5,5 meters, a cruising range of up to 800 kilometers, autonomy of up to 60 hours, a maximum speed of up to 80 kilometers per hour and a warhead weighing about 200 kilograms. At the initial stage, the Armed Forces of Ukraine plan to produce 100 BEC-kamikaze units.


Ukraine plans to produce BEC-kamikaze in a fairly large batch

The Armed Forces of Ukraine made several more attacks on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and other Russian facilities. For example, on February 24, 2023, the Armed Forces of Ukraine made an attempt to attack the base of the Black Sea Fleet with three unmanned boats. So far, all these attacks have been successfully repelled, but what will happen in the future?

Here it is necessary to make a remark.

On the issue of UAF attacks using naval drones on ships of the Black Sea Fleet or other Russian facilities, Ukraine and I are in an extremely unequal and disadvantageous position for us. For example, we repulsed another attack, and what, did someone in Ukraine or in the West feel much worse from this?

And what will happen if the attack of Ukrainian unmanned kamikaze boats is successful, if the ship of the Black Sea Fleet is “beautifully” blown up? When will the explosion be so strong that it will not be possible to hide it? What human, resource and reputational losses will our country in general and the fleet in particular suffer?


The destruction of a modern warship of the Russian Navy will inflict huge reputational losses on our country, not to mention the loss of the combat unit itself and the death of people

Thus, what victory is for us is if we can beat back all attacks by Ukrainian BEC-kamikaze, and for Ukraine, victory is just one successful attack. In Ukraine, this is clearly understood, so they will attack again and again until they lose the physical ability to do so.

Considering how many BEC kamikazes are planned to be produced by Ukraine, they can either make a large number of attempts with a small force involved, or a smaller number of attempts, but with a large number of BEC kamikazes simultaneously used, and sooner or later their attempts may well succeed.

In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine rely not only on quantity - more modern models of marine drones are also being developed in Ukraine. For example, the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) reports that within the framework of the Ukrainian state defense cluster BRAVE1, a private company is developing Toloka underwater remote-controlled kamikaze drones. These devices are something like a torpedo with a mast, in the upper part of which communication and surveillance equipment should be placed.

The created line of Ukrainian Toloka sea drones should include three models:

- TLK 150 2,5 meters long with a warhead mass of about 20-50 kilograms and a range of up to 100 kilometers;
- TLK 400 4-6 meters long with a warhead weight of up to 500 kg and a cruising range of up to 1 kilometers;
- TLK 1000 4-12 meters long with a warhead weight of up to 5 tons and a cruising range of up to 2 kilometers.



Models and images of Toloka underwater remote-controlled kamikaze drones

Of course, preliminary information is far from a fact that these devices will be able to be implemented at all. And even if it succeeds, it is unlikely that the Toloka drones will surpass the BEC-kamikaze used by the Armed Forces in terms of cost-effectiveness now - sometimes a dozen cheaper and simpler drones are better than one expensive and "fancy", so to speak, "syndrome Geranium.

On the other hand, underwater or, rather, partially submerged Toloka drones will be an order of magnitude more difficult to detect and destroy, and older models can actually become a strategic weapon of reconnaissance and attack.

In addition to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, other military and civilian objects may also be attacked by BEC-kamikaze, for example, the Crimean Bridge may become one of such objects.

Impossible? Americans won't let them? Is the bridge too strong? Will we crush all their drones with electronic warfare (EW)? Are the ships of the Russian Navy and the Border Service of the FSB of the Russian Federation on duty there?

There are many reasons why this cannot happen, the only question is what to do if the negative scenario is nevertheless realized. Ukraine has enough incentives, and the success of the alleged Ukrainian “counteroffensive” with cutting off the land route to Crimea can serve as a trigger. In this case, the undermining of the Crimean bridge will also give the leadership of Ukraine very important trump cards for bargaining with Western countries - so they will do anything.


The threat of destruction of the Crimean bridge is quite real (the image on the right is generated by a neural network)

We know firsthand about the possibility of attacking bridge piers, since Russia has its own experience of using BEC-kamikaze against the Ukrainian bridge.


Undermining the bridge support in Zatoka by a crewless boat

Countermeasures


With them, everything is quite difficult. No, on the one hand, it seems to be clear - booms, patrols on special boats, ships can additionally be equipped with heavy machine guns.

The problem is that with regular, and most importantly, massive attacks, all this may not be enough. Patrol boats themselves can become the first target for attack, booms risk being blown up by the first wave of attacking BEC kamikazes, and gunners at machine guns may simply not see the rapidly approaching BEC kamikaze - after all, it is enough to miss just one, and our ship can at best wait the fate of the American destroyer Cole.


The consequences of the attack of the American destroyer "Cole" of the type "Arleigh Burke" by suicide bombers on a motor boat filled with explosives

What other measures can be taken? Establishing some kind of fixed fencing in the port? It takes a very long time and is very expensive, it is far from a fact that it is generally possible, and it is quite possible to break through it with an explosion, just like booms.

What could potentially be an effective solution is automatic protection systems against torpedoes and back-boats. We have previously considered this issue in the material Surface ships: anti-torpedo defense systems. The combination of guidance systems, including high-frequency sonars and lidars, automatic rapid-fire cannons and / or heavy machine guns with cavitating ammunition, as well as guided and unguided anti-torpedo munitions, will potentially minimize the likelihood of surface ships being hit by torpedoes and BEC-kamikaze.


Cavitating ammunition caliber 12,7x99 mm Norwegian company DSG

Yes, it is potentially possible, but as long as there are no such systems, their development and testing will take a long time, and a solution is needed now. In addition, the options discussed above will in no way allow protecting other objects, for example, the Crimean bridge - you can’t put an anti-torpedo defense system on each support? Yes, and the entire bridge cannot be entangled with booms, although some types of support fencing can potentially and should be developed.

There is only one thing left - active, aggressive defense!

For example, the preventive destruction of enterprises engaged in the manufacture of unmanned boats and their components, the destruction of warehouses with ready-made BEC-kamikaze and the locations of units that ensure their use. precision weapons и unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) - long-range kamikaze, transport and / or passenger aircraft converted into unmanned aircraft-projectiles of increased power that have exhausted their resource or obsolete intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) ​​converted into high-yield conventional high-precision weapons.

An equally effective solution could be to disable critical systems that ensure the operation of long-range weapons, including BEC-kamikaze. True, there is a problem - the critical intelligence, control and communications systems that provide the Armed Forces with the ability to use long-range weapons belong to the United States and its allies - it is doubtful that the leadership of our country will decide to destroy them.

However, there is an exception - direct control of the BEC-kamikaze is provided by Starlink satellites owned by the private company SpaceX - it is quite possible to work on them without starting third world war. Can be used against at least a few Starlink satellites anti-satellite weapons, and if what they say about the Tobol electronic warfare (EW) system is true, then you can burn several dozen Starlink communication satellites - they will be more accommodating. If it is impossible to do this electronic warfare "Tobol", then maybe combat laser complex (BLK) "Peresvet" capable of anything?

And finally, it's time to stop the political games around the grain deal - the blockade of Ukraine from the sea must be complete, everything that gets close to the coast or moves away from it must be ruthlessly destroyed.

If decisive measures to counter the purchase and manufacture, deployment and use of Ukrainian unmanned kamikaze boats are not taken in the very near future, then the risks of destroying ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, as well as other Russian military and civilian facilities will increase every day.

PS


On the day when this material was sent for publication, UAV strikes were carried out on the Moscow Kremlin - this is to the question of what the Ukrainian authorities are ready to decide in principle and whether they will risk, for example, strike at the Crimean bridge...
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  1. +46
    8 May 2023 05: 37
    Probably such a boat is no worse than a torpedo ... and there are tactics to deal with them ...
    But the author is right - with such a Black Sea Fleet, it is better to pull the ships ashore - they will be safer, and they can also shoot Caliber from the grass.
    1. -1
      8 May 2023 05: 58
      Active actions at sea are not expected - it can be evacuated from Sevastopol.
      1. +32
        8 May 2023 06: 18
        The author does not take into account the most important aspect. Not active defense, but the liberation of the coast up to Ishmael from utyrks
        1. +5
          9 May 2023 18: 19
          And who will release. Our army is on the defensive.
      2. +4
        8 May 2023 06: 59
        "evacuate from Sevastopol" means to hand over the Crimea?!
        1. -18
          8 May 2023 08: 16
          "to evacuate from Sevastopol" means to hand over Crimea as well?!"
          without this fleet, Crimea will be more secure. otherwise the sailor will throw a cigarette butt in the wrong place - it will explode so that Sevastopol will be demolished
          1. 0
            8 May 2023 09: 23
            "throws a sailor a cigarette butt" there are NO IDIOTS in the fleet to throw cigarette butts anywhere.
            Crimea is useless without a fleet!
            1. +9
              8 May 2023 11: 06
              Quote: Astra wild2
              "throws a sailor a cigarette butt" there are NO IDIOTS in the fleet to throw cigarette butts anywhere.
              Crimea is useless without a fleet!

              Does it mean in aviation? You didn't use sarcasm. MO often explains explosions at facilities by negligent smokers.
            2. +4
              8 May 2023 12: 05
              Quote: Astra wild2
              "throws a sailor a cigarette butt" there are NO IDIOTS in the fleet to throw cigarette butts anywhere.
              Crimea is useless without a fleet!

              There are just enough idiots everywhere, unfortunately.
            3. +10
              8 May 2023 12: 25
              "Without a fleet, Crimea is useless!"
              no, this fleet is useless,
              with Crimea or not
            4. +3
              9 May 2023 08: 14
              Made me laugh! It will be the main excuse for the Navy that the sailor conscript sat and smoked next to a barrel of gunpowder as a result of this, the cruiser Moscow drowned!
      3. +12
        8 May 2023 10: 42
        Quote: Prokop_Svinin
        Active actions at sea are not expected - it can be evacuated from Sevastopol.

        The first thing to do is to set up an early warning system. In principle, I think to develop an acoustic buoy on an anchor chain and a recharging system from waves, there will be no big problems. If you add high-resolution night and day cameras to it, as well as a small radio frequency scanner and sonar, you get an interesting machine. In the future, these buoys can be combined into a single system of self-control and direction finding. At the first stage, human participation is indispensable. Further, they can be increased the level of automation. By the way, a self-propelled buoy model or semi-autonomous is also possible. For example, I chose an anchor buoy. Taking into account the current, he moved, again he let go of the anchor.
        The second is networks. Anti-submarine nets have been known since the 30s. Boom clutter with anti-torpedo nets are still in service. I do not believe that they are not left in the rest of the fleets. Two rows of such barriers reduce the threat significantly. Especially if you use polystyrene in pantheons (bons).

        Thirdly, the ships themselves can again be equipped with parvans, but which will not cut the cables of mines at a depth, but rather go along the surface of the sea. Thereby reducing the likelihood of an attack by a semi-submerged drone.
        You can also hang anti-torpedo nets, by analogy with the ships of the First World War.

        Well, the last. Air patrol, preferably unmanned, at a considerable distance from the parking of ships. The contrail is visible from afar, and a couple of kilograms of high-explosive ammunition is enough for destruction. However, it is enough to adjust the fire of the 130mm Shore-class gun.
        1. +14
          8 May 2023 16: 23
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          The first thing to do is create...

          Sailors, you have already shown everything you are capable of. Of those capable of fighting, you have marines and calibers in the Caspian. All.
          Therefore, the first thing to do is to gouge Kyiv with the support of the Air Force and sign the surrender. This will protect your ships (and why they are needed in this situation).
        2. +1
          9 May 2023 08: 17
          Yeah, for 20 years, nothing has been developed here, just like in a fairy tale, they took it from scratch and built it in a day! Or is the Russian Defense Ministry armed with goldfish and pikes?
        3. 0
          10 May 2023 23: 52
          This is essentially ... we need to think and take action
    2. +11
      8 May 2023 08: 26
      "with such a Black Sea Fleet, it is better to pull the ships ashore"
      during the war, when the losses of the Black Sea Fleet reached obscene values, Stalin simply forbade the ships of this fleet to leave the base. and the base was then in Batumi, the Germans did not get it, and therefore the Black Sea Fleet lived to victory. it's time for Putin to issue such an order. and since Batumi is no more, it means to transfer to the north, away from xoxls. maybe so, too, will live to win
      1. +2
        8 May 2023 09: 18
        "transfer to the north" it's easier to immediately blow up the ships: Turkey will not allow you to pass through the straits, but by land ... the frigate is not a runabout
        1. -14
          8 May 2023 10: 21
          And here the friendship with the Sultan ends. Will agree. Erdogash does not want to lose goodies. Ships must be withdrawn to the Pacific Fleet. They will be needed there in the near future.
          1. +2
            9 May 2023 06: 24
            Quote: Essex62
            Ships must be withdrawn to the Pacific Fleet. They will be needed there in the near future.

            And what kind of ships do you want to bring to the Pacific Fleet?
            Project 22160 Corvettes?
            Or frigates pr. 11356?
            Or maybe MRK?
            Why are they needed there? Their combat value is minuscule, zero or even minus. Frigates 11356 - escort light frigates for warm seas, with poor anti-aircraft defense and mediocre air defense. While frigates pr. 22350 are being built for the Pacific Fleet (the third one has already arrived at the Pacific Fleet), this year it is possible that another one will be handed over by December, and if they do not have time, then two such frigates will be handed over next year. In 2025, two more. In addition, BOD pr. 1155 is being modernized in the Northern Fleet (one has already been modernized, the second will complete the modernization next year, and then the remaining two), the only Sarych is completing the overhaul and modernization, next year they are leaving the modernization and returning to service " Admiral Kuznetsov" and "Admiral Nakhimov". So our SF is quite combat-ready.
            TOF. A series of corvettes is being built for the Pacific Fleet, this year a series of 6 frigates pr. 22350.1 will be laid, plus several frigates pr. 22350.1, which is now being completed in St. Petersburg, also for the Pacific Fleet.
            And the Black Sea ... here is geography. And the lack (so far) of shipbuilding capacities for the construction there (on the Black Sea) of warships larger than RTOs and a corvette. If they manage and want to develop the Kerch "Bay", then it will be possible to build on it, but so far it is only coming to life and loaded ... with the construction of two UDCs ... which so far do not rise above the slipways.
            So the situation with the Black Sea Fleet is exactly the same as during WWII / WWII - it is necessary to preserve the existing fleet for the future, and in this war its role is quite small for obvious reasons. But his ships can still come in handy in the course of supporting the ground offensive operation in the Northern Black Sea region and for providing and supporting a probable amphibious assault.
            Quote: Essex62
            Ships must be withdrawn to the Pacific Fleet.

            We have the main strike power there on submarines (SSGNs and SSBNs), so if we are talking about joint actions against the USA and Co. together with the Chinese Navy, then we will perfectly complement each other. And the surface fleet will be built for a long time (because, by definition, "a fleet is being built for a long time") and no emotions, rotations, and even sufficient (and excess) finances will speed up this matter.
            The solution could be an order in China for the Pacific Fleet of a series of frigates and UDC Type. 071 with their equipment with our weapons and all the remaining combat equipment - ordering hulls with energy, general ship saturation and the civilian part of navigation systems - for transfer to Vladivostok on their own and there they are completed and re-equipped. Thus, we would reduce the time gap in the construction of the surface part of the Pacific Fleet. But it was necessary to do this since 2014 - 2015. when it became clear that our shipbuilders were left without Ukrainian power plants, and their own would not be soon. But this was not done. It seems that it is not too late even now, especially since there is no reason for China to refuse us this either - it is vitally interested in our support. Therefore, the 4th UDC Type. 071 and 8-12 frigates, it would be quite possible to order. They will be built quickly and in a short time (up to 6 - 7 years from the conclusion of a contract to the delivery of the last one), and our shipbuilders will be able to immediately start building larger ships - destroyers and heavy frigates.
            And the Black Sea Fleet is unblocked in the straits only after the end of the war (the Turks imposed a ban on the passage of warships through the straits for used and Russian Federation - until the end of the war). And frigates and destroyers for the Black Sea Fleet will obviously be built - at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg.
            1. 0
              9 May 2023 09: 16
              Well, don't, don't. Wait for the dill to release something else to the bottom.
            2. +2
              10 May 2023 10: 47
              What 22350 "came to the Pacific Fleet" ?!
              Gorshkov in Syria, Kasatonov with the surrendered Golovko in Severomorsk.
              Confused with 20380? So there are locals, and of those who crossed one 20385.

              And about the birds, the Northern Shipyard is still unable to issue 2 frigates a year to the fleet. And to achieve a speed of one year from bookmarking to transfer to the fleet is generally something fabulously Chinese. And you swung at 2 frigates a year ...
              1. 0
                10 May 2023 17: 00
                Quote from Andreich A.
                What 22350 "came to the Pacific Fleet" ?!

                I sealed it up and didn’t check it - I wrote about the Northern Fleet, but printed it on the Pacific Fleet machine. You can see it all in the text below.
                Quote from Andreich A.
                And about the birds, the Northern Shipyard is still unable to issue 2 frigates a year to the fleet.

                At the Admiralty shipyards, 5 frigates are now under construction, four of which are with enhanced armament pr. 22350.1.
                This year, they initially promised to hand over two frigates - Golovko and Isakov, while the handover of Isakov was announced for December 2023. Now the handover of Isakov has been postponed to the beginning of 2024, Admiral will also be handed over in the same year Amelko". In 2025, they promise to hand over Admirals Chichagov and Yumashev. "Admiral Spiridonov" is promised to be commissioned in 2026.
                Admirals "Kapitanets" and "Vysotsky" have not yet been laid down - they are waiting for the release of stocks, contracts for their construction have been concluded for several years already, the metal has been cut, orders have been made to cooperation suppliers.
                "Amelko", "Chichagov" and "Yumashev" go to the Pacific Fleet.
                Quote from Andreich A.
                to achieve a speed of one year from bookmarking to transfer to the fleet is generally something fabulously Chinese.

                Even the Chinese can't do that. It's just that the unfinished frigates were waiting for their power plants on the stocks, and when the power plants went, the frigates went too.
                It is necessary to judge the pace of construction at domestic shipyards with a good eye on the fact that ships were laid down without ready-made weapons systems and at foreign (Ukrainian power plants from Zarya-Mashproekt and German diesel engines) power plants. When, for example, the Kaliningrad Yantar built serial frigates for India and the Black Sea Fleet, it took about 3,5 years from laying to delivery.
                Project 22350 had two weak points at once - the unfinished Poliment-Redut air defense system and the Ukrainian power plant. In addition, after Germany refused to supply diesel engines, we had to remake the power plant for our Kolomna ones. And then there was a coup in Kyiv on February 22.02.2014, 11356, and the power plants for all our ships became unavailable. Three frigates for the Black Sea Fleet pr. 22350, and frigates pr. XNUMX hung on the stocks. So there is no fault of our shipbuilders in such a pace of construction, all questions are for the developers and manufacturers of ship power plants.
                The same problem happened with corvettes pr. 20380 and 20385 - the pace of deliveries of power plants to corvettes of this type ... one and a half sets per year. Otherwise, such babies would be built in 2,5-3 years maximum.
                The low rate of construction of RTOs is also due to the low rate of production of high-speed diesel engines.
                request "Engine curse" of domestic shipbuilding.
                Man-made, by the way. The merit of the "effective managers" who promised that we don't need our own engine building for nothing - we will buy everything from partners.
                Quote from Andreich A.
                And you swung at 2 frigates a year.

                It will be like this for the next two years. These frigates were laid down in pairs in one year. Then a pause again, because new ones will be laid only this year. But from this or next year, such frigates will begin to be built at the Amur Shipyard (the contract will be signed this year).
        2. +4
          8 May 2023 12: 28
          "Türkiye will not allow passage through the straits"
          yes, easily, according to the Montreux Doctrine. Russia, a Black Sea country, has the right to go back and forth laughing
          1. +5
            8 May 2023 22: 46
            Quote: ZloyKot
            Russia - a Black Sea country - has the right to go back and forth

            recourse
            Yes Yes
            ari 2022: Turkish authorities have refused to allow three Russian ships that are based outside the Black Sea.

            November 2022: Since the beginning of February, ships of the Russian Pacific Fleet have been waiting for permission from the Turkish authorities to pass through the Bosphorus, but they have not received it. In particular, we are talking about the missile cruiser of the Pacific Fleet "Varyag" and the large anti-submarine ship "Admiral Tributs".

            February 2023: Turkey opposes the entry of new military vessels into the Black Sea and the escalation of the Ukrainian conflict
            1. -2
              9 May 2023 08: 26
              "Yes Yes"
              we are talking about getting out of the Black Sea. and at the entrance, the Sultan missed 6 bdk, actually
              1. -1
                9 May 2023 11: 21
                Quote: akselyuant
                we are talking about getting out of the Black Sea.

                fool
                1. Quote: ZloyKot
                Russia, a Black Sea country, has the right walk back and forth
                2. Who would be against disarmament, so that one force (Turkey) would remain in the Black Sea?
                Turks for the sake of "we are talking about getting out" and they will not take money for the passage and pilots, and they will also provide fuel for free,
                And the brave Ukrainians are ready to tow the Black Sea Fleet on the oars or give a lifetime rent to all sailors.
                1. -2
                  9 May 2023 13: 20
                  "or give a lifetime annuity to all sailors."
                  Black Sea Fleet has no military role in the Black Sea, and xoxly will not throw away money for free. although, maybe they brought them in earlier, Schaub was like it was?
            2. -1
              11 May 2023 11: 53
              Türkiye will allow any number of warships to exit the Black Sea. Even from the shore will wave with tenderness. Another thing is that it may not be allowed back.
      2. -3
        9 May 2023 18: 21
        For example, in Sochi, there they will loom before Putin
    3. +14
      8 May 2023 10: 47
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      Probably such a boat is no worse than a torpedo ... and there are tactics to deal with them ...

      If a boat with 5 tons of explosives destroys booms, and then another 2-3 of the same ones pass into the bay?
      Scary to imagine....
      Until Nikolaev and Odessa are liberated, the threat will be constant and constantly growing.
    4. -8
      8 May 2023 11: 37
      .... and they can also shoot with Caliber from the grass. [/ Quote]
      Not allowed. INF Treaty.
      1. +13
        8 May 2023 12: 35
        Russia suspended participation in this treaty.
      2. +5
        8 May 2023 13: 21
        Already possible. The agreement lost its relevance precisely after we bypassed it.
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      1. -5
        8 May 2023 11: 58
        Quote: AlexKruglov1976
        the only defense of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation can be only one thing - the return of Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson

        Tell me what, in this case, will prevent the launch of this "drone" from Moldova, Romania, Hungary ... yes, the same Georgia, for example?
        1. 0
          8 May 2023 12: 15
          From there, launching drones means a direct NATO attack on the Russian Federation.
          This is a completely different matter.
          1. +6
            8 May 2023 12: 19
            Quote: AlexKruglov1976
            Launching drones from there means a direct NATO attack on the Russian Federation

            You see... the drone won't say where it's launched from. Maybe he sailed along the Dnieper from Kyiv ... So what's the difference? wink

            PS: Moldova and Georgia, by the way, are not NATO members, you got excited laughing
          2. +6
            8 May 2023 12: 30
            "From there, launching drones means a direct NATO attack on the Russian Federation"
            Moldova in NATO? didn't know, didn't know
            1. 0
              8 May 2023 16: 00
              Moldova does not have access to the Black Sea
              1. -5
                8 May 2023 16: 42
                Quote: AlexKruglov1976
                Moldova does not have access to the Black Sea

                Yes of course Yes

                1. -1
                  8 May 2023 19: 02
                  You would zoom a little closer, there is literally 1,5-2 km to the coast is not enough. A little bit Moldova did not reach the sea.
                  1. +8
                    8 May 2023 22: 57
                    Quote: Herman 4223
                    A little bit Moldova did not reach the sea.

                    belay
                    Giurgiulesti International Free Port is a port located 133,8 km from the Black Sea on the left bank of the Prut and Danube rivers in the village of Giurgiulesti.
                    The port was established in 2006 thanks to the transfer of 430 meters of the coast of the Danube and the Prut by Ukraine to Moldova. The only port of the Republic of Moldova with access to the Black Sea.

                    It’s true that there are some problems with the railway (they stole it as always), but the Prut River seems to have been scraped off
                    1. +1
                      10 May 2023 14: 06
                      Giurgiulesti International Free Port is a port located 133,8 km from the Black Sea

                      lol Well then, almost every European city has access to the sea. My city is generally a port of five seas.
    6. +2
      8 May 2023 15: 51
      Maybe it makes sense to put acoustic buoys, in a duet with drones and thermal imagers. Let them fly around the clock and track "hot" spots on the sea. Technically, it's not difficult at all.
    7. 0
      9 May 2023 07: 39
      I served as a signalman. And I have an idea. What is it to detect a torpedo or saboteurs. Almost nothing.
      1. +3
        9 May 2023 10: 33
        Quote: Plastmaster
        And I have an idea. What is it to detect a torpedo or saboteurs. Almost nothing.

        The people here are a little offended when they are contradicted by sober thoughts. Do not be nervous because of the uryakalki.
        I'll try to explain to them in a different way.
        The acoustic buoy must either itself have a laid noise profile of a torpedo or submarine, or whatever it is looking for, or work to transmit a signal to where this noise is identified (worst case).
        Do you have this data? ... depending on the object's speed, depth, range...
        Let me remind you that both ours and our partners gave heroes for such information, and collected it with sweat and blood. At the same time, there was something to shoot such information from, boats and ships went often.
  2. +16
    8 May 2023 05: 53
    In order to avoid this, it is necessary to destroy the bases of these drones, their bases and production.
    1. +3
      8 May 2023 06: 11
      Coordinates of basing and production sites - to the studio!
      1. +17
        8 May 2023 08: 29
        "Coordinates of places of basing and production - to the studio!"
        for this there are specially trained and paid people, all sorts of people there, air and space intelligence, analysts in the General Staff - there are a lot of them, their name is legion. only a little sense, efficiency like a steam locomotive, 7%
  3. -27
    8 May 2023 06: 04
    the image on the right is generated by a neural network)

    Another article about "all-prossalipolymers" probably "generated by a neural network".
    1. +29
      8 May 2023 06: 22
      And what's wrong? Are all these events also generated by a neural network? Were there any of these boats, the death of a cruiser, damage to the bridge? What bit you so much? The author of the article is written..
    2. +10
      8 May 2023 08: 02
      Judging by the comments, the neural network commented.
  4. +34
    8 May 2023 06: 13
    There is only one thing left - active, aggressive defense!

    Our political leadership does not give the green light to such a defense ... I am very skeptical that anything will change in the near future.
    Here recently, Budanov threatened to kill Russians all over the world, and nothing has been done to him for this yet ... and he will continue to kill.
    And for the underwater drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the solution is simple and complex at the same time ... it is necessary to free Odessa and Nikolaev, where the bases of these drones are based ... there are simply no other options for a cardinal solution.
    1. +6
      8 May 2023 06: 53
      "to liberate Odessa and Nikolaev" mine came on vacation from the front, he says they have more than a million in the army, and we have about 600.
      Is it possible to take Odessa and Nikolaev SIMULTANEOUSLY with such forces?
      1. +3
        8 May 2023 08: 32
        "Is it possible to take Odessa and Nikolaev SIMULTANEOUSLY with such forces?"
        And in turn it is impossible, only at once?
        1. +2
          8 May 2023 09: 47
          Now it's not possible. The landing force will be destroyed on the way, but from land. We have neither a foothold nor forces.
          ANY officer knows that for a successful offensive, a twofold advantage is needed. Plus an intelligent commander.
          Our guys bitterly joke that some commanders should be changed to Zaluchny. Then we'll win
          1. -1
            8 May 2023 12: 35
            "Now it's not possible. The landing force will be destroyed on the way"
            there are many ways to protect the landing on the way, even with us.
            "We have neither a foothold nor forces"
            the landing is carried out in order to seize a bridgehead, and forces can be found. you can't buy mind
          2. +4
            8 May 2023 23: 05
            Quote: Astra wild2
            ANY officer knows that for a successful offensive, you need a twofold advantage.

            WW2 Germans will not agree
            About 2,5-3 million people Germany concentrated on the borders with France, the Netherlands and Belgium.
            VS
            Approximately 3-3,5 million were the total forces of the opponents of Berlin. In addition, the French tanks were superior in their tactical and technical characteristics to the German ones.

            + all sorts of Maginot lines
      2. +7
        8 May 2023 10: 26
        We would have to keep the front, and you are talking about Odessa and Nikolaev
        1. +1
          8 May 2023 12: 37
          "We should hold the front, but you are talking about Odessa and Nikolaev"
          But what, is someone encroaching on the integrity of the front? as they stood everywhere, so they stand
    2. +2
      8 May 2023 07: 19
      Lech, the statement is not correct: there are "other options" - to destroy production. But where is the production? There is only ONE REAL opportunity left: to strike at the bases
    3. +21
      8 May 2023 07: 19
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      it is necessary to free Odessa and Nikolaev

      We should return the Russian city of Kherson. Can anyone say it will? And how many years will it take?

      As I understand it, (in the current situation) after Bakhmut it will take us several years to triumphantly reach Slavyansk (provided that Prigozhin will have shells). And only then (after Slavyansk and Kramatorsk) can the turn come to something else.

      Now the main concern is one - to repel the Bandera offensive. But it might not exist if there were no passive defense and standing.

      The initiative itself asks for in the hands of Bandera. There is no advance. Logistics works like clockwork. Arming with new Western weapons, additional mobilization is underway ... Calmly, comfortably and with electricity, which should have been gone for a long time.
      1. -2
        8 May 2023 08: 14
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        it is necessary to free Odessa and Nikolaev

        We should return the Russian city of Kherson. 1. Can anyone tell it will be? And how many years will it take?

        2. As I understand it, (in the current situation) after Bakhmut it will take us several years to triumphantly reach Slavyansk (provided that Prigozhin will have shells). And only then (after Slavyansk and Kramatorsk) can the turn come to something else.

        3. Now the main concern is one - to repel the Bandera offensive.
        4. But it might not exist if there were no passive defense and standing.

        5. The initiative itself asks for the hands of Bandera. There is no advance.
        6. Logistics works like clockwork. Arming with new Western weapons, additional mobilization is underway ... Calmly, comfortably and with electricity, which should have been gone for a long time.


        1. The question is asked incorrectly. Not "when?" but "under what conditions?".
        Conditions: liquidation or at least compensation of the technological lag behind the NATO bloc hostile to us. Achieving air supremacy. Creation of modern means of displaying combat information.
        2. In the current situation, we have enough human resources throughout Russia to take a dozen regional centers.
        3. Yes, that's right. The enemy is preparing to bring into action a large number of armored vehicles. It must be found and destroyed.
        4. With an active attack "with a bare heel on a saber" we would have suffered a decisive military defeat. And we would not have had the strength to stop the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO.
        5. Here, in Bakhmut, an offensive is underway. Are you proposing to drive people like this along the whole front? At the cost of the death of the remaining fighters, the front will move three hundred meters forward, and that's it, game over.
        6. Yes, the enemy's logistics are working. The reason is that we do not have sufficient means of long-range destruction.
        The idiot's logic is to advance without the support of long-range weapons.
        The logic of a normal person is to provide long-range weapons, and then advance.
        1. +17
          8 May 2023 08: 45
          Quote from Kuziming
          In the current situation we have enough human resources throughout Russia to take a dozen regional centers.

          Crap! How did we suddenly find ourselves in it?

          Quote from Kuziming
          The enemy is preparing to take action a large number of armored vehicles. It must be found and destroyed.

          And where did it come from? As long as Ukrainian logistics is running smoothly, I am afraid that this process will be endless.

          Quote from Kuziming
          Here, in Bakhmut, an offensive is underway. You offer all over the front so drive people?

          Of course not.

          I propose not to hit the wall, but to look for weak points - to hit with high density at low concentration. What has been the basis of military art until now. And if I had a choice, then we do not need Bakhmut first, but Odessa (to Transnistria).
        2. +15
          8 May 2023 09: 02
          "Here, an offensive is underway in Bakhmut"
          there is no offensive there. there, for 10 months there is straining extrusion enemy. and I don't know how long it will last
      2. +9
        8 May 2023 08: 36
        "Now the main concern is one - to repel the Bandera offensive."
        how xoxly intimidated everyone with their offensive. he is not there, and it is not known whether he will be, but everyone has already hidden under the covers, and they are afraid, afraid. like little children
        1. -7
          8 May 2023 08: 43
          Quote: aglet
          how xoxly intimidated everyone with their offensive. he is not there, and it is not known whether he will be, but everyone has already hidden under the covers, and they are afraid, afraid. like little children

          Dude, are you sane? I'm worried about you request

          As for the Ukrainians, they themselves are already afraid of their "attack", like:
          1. +13
            8 May 2023 08: 56
            "Man, are you sane? I'm worried about you"
            I don't worry about you. your sanity is no longer in question. and I'm not your friend
        2. -1
          8 May 2023 15: 10
          "will" the offensive be. Don't go to a fortune teller.
          Another question is where? From my "bell tower" - Zaporozhye NPP. They understand that we do not need a "second Chernobyl" ..
          If they are not covered at the crossing, it will be difficult.
          Perhaps towards Bakhmut, to the flank, and then look at Gerasimov's reaction. For panicking or not.
          We have already changed half of the command staff: they only know how to fight in the office
          If you take it big: in the army, only, only (no more than 5 years ago) improvements began, but there was a mess. It's culturally speaking
  5. -1
    8 May 2023 06: 40
    Colleagues, there was information that the UES is no longer buying grain. Otherwise, their farmers will be left without work.
    "It is doubtful that they will decide to destroy '" how many Hymers have already been destroyed?
  6. +6
    8 May 2023 06: 42
    I agree with many of the comments here. It is necessary to clean the coastline of the Black Sea. Without this water area, Ukraine will lose a lot. It is more difficult to fight underwater drones. And there is only one way out with kamikaze boats.
    1. +6
      8 May 2023 07: 04
      In the sea, two lines of defense, one passes through the bases of the enemy, the second - through your own bases.
      An enemy, but not a fool - Winston Churchill.
      As you can see, even in the absence of the Ukrainian fleet, our fleet is on the defensive.
    2. +4
      8 May 2023 08: 07
      I do not agree with your comment. You keep forgetting that your desires and the desires of those who sit in the Kremlin are diametrically opposed. Why do they need a coastline?
      Our Soviet troops liberated Artyomovsk in a day, Kharkov in two weeks. Here also think.
      1. +15
        8 May 2023 09: 41
        Our Soviet troops liberated Artyomovsk in a day, Kharkov in two weeks. Here also think.

        —-The nature of the Second World War was "... liberation, for the nationwide, socialist Fatherland ...". When "Motherland - Mother called ..", when they created "There is a people's war, a holy war ...", when they sang "Dark night ... Fire is winding in a cramped stove ..". When "Everything for the front, for the Victory .." that is exactly what it meant. When "At any cost ..." killed, both mistakenly and in vain ...

        —-SVO - the first, not an expeditionary war of capitalist Russia. It cannot be measured by the history of the Second World War. What is there to compare when they are attracted to a contract with salaries, when those who live across miles and miles of vast Russia fight, and in the capitals they feast and try not to think about war ...

        —- This war, which in the capitals is considered the work of paid specialists and prepared for such work. “They are paid for this…” This is a war against the logistics of the leading countries of the world, without warring allies, in the conditions of an economic blockade .. and in the Second World War - they wouldn’t say a hundred - the allies helped the weapons and military equipment economically, fought and shed blood ... And no matter what they consider, the value of human life is many times higher in NWO than in WWII. So there is nothing to compare with the Second World War either in essence, or in results, or in character.
        1. +12
          8 May 2023 11: 32
          So then I agree with you. But tomorrow the capitalists of Russia will celebrate the day of the socialist Victory.
        2. -2
          8 May 2023 15: 19
          "Trying not to think about the war" was not in Moscow, and where he passed, many as from another planet.
          In Rostov, one "aliens well" broke his jaw. He cannot go to Kyiv. Politics gets in the way
    3. +1
      8 May 2023 23: 29
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      A good locator can detect a craft up to the coast of Turkey.

      belay
      Indeed .. and the radio horizon is not a hindrance to him?
      Radar "Monoli-B" DBK "Bastion"
      Detection range of surface targets of active radar, km:

      under normal conditions of wave propagation when the antenna is located at a height of 9-12 m above sea level - 35 km;
      in the presence of a drive waveguide - 90-100 km;
      under conditions of superrefraction - up to 250 km.
      The detection range of surface targets of a passive radar is up to 450 km.

      Only these large numbers for a trough with EPR from 10000 m ^ 2
      And "discovery": it's somewhere out there (3 bast shoes to the left of the moon)
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      Such funds were still in the USSR.

      what
      What are "such"?
  7. +6
    8 May 2023 06: 53
    The only effective way to reduce the risk of attacks from the sea is the liberation of Odessa and Nikolaev.
    1. +5
      8 May 2023 07: 34
      "Liberation of Odessa and Nikolaev", and by what forces?
      Cash forces - not really. Theoretically, it is possible: a massive strike from the sea, land and air, but theory and practice are two big differences.
      Last spring there was a chance to master Nikolaev. True, at the cost of great losses
      1. +2
        8 May 2023 09: 44
        Why take cities? Here we can’t take some village of Bakhmut, but we are already rolling our lip onto the city! What will happen when the city is stormed? Grozny and Bakhmut in one bottle?! Maybe it’s stupid to surround them, cut off supplies and wait for them to surrender there? hi
        1. 0
          8 May 2023 10: 33
          We don't have enough people to surround the city
          1. +8
            8 May 2023 12: 43
            "We don't have enough people to surround the city"
            in order to stomp in bahmut for 10 months, there are enough people, but for what else, right away, there are few people. you have excuses, just like in the General Staff!
            1. -2
              9 May 2023 00: 36
              Quote: ZloyKot
              in order to stomp in bakhmut for 10 months, there are enough people, but for what else, right away, there are few people

              Bakhmut 5 km in diameter city + 5 km on the flanks. And even Bakhmut could not be surrounded, they had to push through with huge losses and call it "grinding the Armed Forces". And how to surround Odessa, Nikolaev?
              1. 0
                9 May 2023 08: 17
                "The city is 5 km in diameter + 5 km along the flanks. And even Bakhmut could not be surrounded, we have to push through"
                Prigozhin has 50 thousand personnel + aviation, guns, tanks. in order not to be able to surround a small town with such forces, already surrounded on the one hand, you need to be fabulous um, Pinocchio. apparently, the top of command skill for the founder and commanders of this PMC is a blunt forehead punch. here they are for 10 months and break through, losing people, wasting expensive ammunition and equipment resources in vain. but here he is considered a genius of skill. under normal leadership, in three months he would have been in the forefront, with a three-ruler, to storm Bakhmut. and then profits fell, and he began to bend his fingers, present ultimatums, Napoleon
                1. -1
                  13 May 2023 15: 05
                  His two 3 things are bothering him. First, there are no more prisoners, and Wagner's employees are not particularly eager to storm in the forefront, people ran out to capture and hold positions. Second. in the event of an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the ruins of Bakhmut will be bypassed and Wagner will be surrounded, and Prigozhin has been literally yelling about insufficiently fortified flanks for a long time, moreover, more than once they were brought down by flight by some mobs, either the Airborne Forces, or Redoubt, and then Wagner again strengthened, with great benefits. In the event of a withdrawal, the Wagners do not have enough armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles for the entire group, the personnel are transported on white buses, and one can imagine how such a withdrawal will look like when everything is working along the columns. And the third problem, his relationship with the Moscow Region, Wagner is not the army of the Russian Federation, they will not be forgiven for fleeing as armies from the Sumy, Kiev, Kherson, Kharkov regions and will be pressed "according to the laws". Here is just the situation that was predicted from the very beginning, when it was not the army that came to fight, but it is not clear from what the horde to conduct NWO.
        2. +5
          8 May 2023 12: 41
          "Maybe it's stupid to surround them, cut off supplies and wait for them to surrender?"
          it is very difficult for current commanders. it’s better with a bare heel on a machine gun laughing
    2. +3
      8 May 2023 11: 23
      Quote: S. Viktorovich
      The only effective way to reduce the risk of attacks from the sea is the liberation of Odessa and Nikolaev.


      And how to get there? The entire right bank of the Dnieper is controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, any attempts to cross (with the help of crossings / repairing bridges, etc.) will be stopped .... at one time, when Kherson was ours, such an advance was possible Kherson - Nikolaev - Odessa, and after "regrouping" and difficult decisions, opportunities are simply lost ...

      Taking cities with the help of a landing force will not work either. Ukraine was given long-range weapons, anti-ship missiles + some areas were mined .... taking into account NATO intelligence, it is not possible to secretly approach and quickly gain a foothold ..... they will simply sink the landing force, even before landing.
      1. +2
        8 May 2023 12: 46
        "And how to get there? The entire right bank of the Dnieper is controlled, etc."
        this is how the General Staff thinks, there is no way, we will not overcome the enemy (((
      2. -1
        8 May 2023 12: 47
        "And how to get there? The entire right bank of the Dnieper is controlled, etc."
        this is how the General Staff thinks, there is no way, we will not overcome the enemy (((
    3. +2
      8 May 2023 13: 16
      And what is there on the ground? Local support the Russian Federation to release? And will it be possible to control cities without local support?
      1. -2
        11 May 2023 12: 11
        After the regrouping from "forever Russia" Kherson, at best, only wary neutrality can be expected from the locals, and there will be thousands of those who will willingly transfer the locations of our troops to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  8. +15
    8 May 2023 07: 34
    "When tightening the SVO"
    The mediocrity of Putin's government will be impossible to hide! Although even now it is already clear - the ignoramuses have seized power!
    1. +7
      8 May 2023 08: 35
      The mediocrity of Putin's government will be impossible to hide!

      You can also add venality to the eternal worst enemy, otherwise the actions of the current "lights" simply cannot be explained.
      1. 0
        9 May 2023 13: 22
        The mediocrity of Putin's government will be impossible to hide!

        Why will it be? Why are you speaking in the future tense?
        This incompetence has been visible for a long time. It's just that the CBO greatly exposed the vision of this mediocrity. Not only are there no military successes, there are no economic, social, political ones, there are no successes. In addition, the population of the country is sharply decreasing, this is not from a good life.
        All this can be explained not only by the stupidity and stupidity of the "lights", but also by the complete lack of desire to correct the situation.
  9. +7
    8 May 2023 07: 34
    Is the Black Sea being turned into "torpedo soup" or "meatball soup" from mines? In any case, such a saturation of the sea with all sorts of explosive devices will nullify any navigation, and civilians will also suffer. Our fleet needs to develop adequate means of defense and attack, i.e. build your own radio-controlled watercraft, let's call them drones, but this is somehow not correct. a drone is a bumblebee - a flying insect, but the sea needs some other synonym - say piranhas and it would be time to train a couple of thousand RuPLS operators on computers for a long time.
    1. +11
      8 May 2023 08: 22
      Quote: geologist
      Our fleet needs to develop adequate means of defense and attack, i.e. build your own radio-controlled watercraft, let's call them drones


      This should have been thought about 20 years ago, and they don’t arrange eternal victory parades and any military show.
      It will not be possible to travel forever on the principles of the military strategy of the Second World War, and Russia has constantly stepped on the same rake throughout its history.

      Well, now it’s too late to engage in modernization and consciousness of some kind of super weapon. In such wartime, when Russia was cut off by sanctions, there is no possibility and access to modern microelectronics, one can only dream that suddenly there will be some kind of Kulibin who was created from nothing into something modern, requiring a bunch of semiconductors, microprocessors and everything else.
      1. -2
        8 May 2023 09: 48
        Do you really need the latest electronic systems to create drones? And on the lamps to make the control system weak? But after all, in the lamp era, they flew into space! Is it impossible to control lamp systems on land, water and in the air today? Well, or the largest microcircuits? hi
        1. +8
          8 May 2023 11: 19
          Quote: North Caucasus
          Do you really need the latest electronic systems to create drones? And on the lamps to make the control system weak? But after all, in the lamp era, they flew into space! Is it impossible to control lamp systems on land, water and in the air today? Well, or the largest microcircuits? hi


          No need to remember what happened in the USSR, otherwise it will suddenly become sad. 60 years ago, stations were planted on Venus, which now looks just like fantastic fantasy for our level. Yes, there were a lot of things in the USSR, and its own electronic industry. But now all this has been gone for a long time, but there are oligarchs, yachts, poor TV programs and guest workers
          1. -15
            8 May 2023 11: 26
            Quote from iran
            ...what now for our level...

            What I see??! belay

            Peach, have you already moved to Russia? Well you are the master good laughing

            Quote from iran
            this has been gone for a long time, but there are oligarchs, yachts, poor TV programs and guest workers

            And your training manual is old, greasy and boring. Hoxlobot Yes
        2. +7
          8 May 2023 12: 51
          "And on the lamps to make the control system weak?"
          where do you get the lamps? China does not make them, but we ourselves will not make a kerosene lamp
        3. 0
          9 May 2023 01: 12
          The USSR, for its most modern systems, was also forced to get electronics through 10 hands. And not only electronics, but also machine tools and other devices. Just then, the role and complexity of electronics was not yet the same as the last 30 years. Without competition and free enterprise, it is impossible to develop an electronics industry that will become world leaders. And in the USSR, as you know, there was no particular choice of goods with electronics, and those that were were in short supply, such as tape recorders, televisions, etc., etc. The military-industrial complex itself cannot create and produce the necessary electronics, or glasses for optics, or hydraulic units, there are no competencies or resources for this, and it depends on suppliers. In order to have your own powerful military-industrial complex, it must be developed, of course, but around the military-industrial complex everything should work as it should. In the Russian Federation, since the beginning of the 2000s, mechanical engineering and other high-tech industries have been declining, apparently the stake was on the supply of components from outside, machine tools, or, for example, MTU for Armat, and until 2014, a lot of things were supplied to the Russian Federation. But today, under harsh sanctions, it is naive to expect miracles from Chemezov's military-industrial complex. And what will happen in 5 years, when those machines and tools that they still managed to snatch before the sanctions wear out?
  10. +4
    8 May 2023 07: 46
    Crimean bridge - you can’t put it on every support according to the anti-torpedo defense system

    During WWII, the British set up anti-submarine nets from the coast of Norway to Scotland itself ...
    1. -2
      8 May 2023 08: 01
      Quote: Luminman
      During WWII, the British set up anti-submarine nets from the coast of Norway to Scotland itself

      Where can I read about it, please?
      1. -3
        8 May 2023 08: 08
        Quote: Repellent
        Where can I read about it, please?

        I read somewhere. I don't remember now. It seems that Churchill in his memoirs ...
        1. -3
          8 May 2023 09: 26
          Quote: Luminman
          I read somewhere. I don't remember now

          It's a pity. A large network, but the Internet does not know about it. Strange.
          1. -2
            8 May 2023 09: 38
            Quote: Repellent
            but the internet doesn't know about it

            Actually does not know, however, I read about it. Yes, it's technically easy...
          2. 0
            8 May 2023 13: 03
            Quote: Repellent
            It's a pity. A large network, but the Internet does not know about it. Strange.

            And not everything is on the Internet. Somehow I asked how many self-tapping screws are in the cardboard sheathing of the Urals. Molchok.
    2. +7
      8 May 2023 09: 13
      Quote: Luminman
      During WWII, the British set up anti-submarine nets from the coast of Norway to Scotland itself ...

      Northern barrage. Delivered by the British in the very first days of WWII according to pre-war plans with the aim of a distant naval blockade of Germany. Only there were no nets, only mines. The result is the ONLY German submarine missing in this area for the entire period of hostilities.
      1. +1
        8 May 2023 09: 37
        Quote: Adrey
        the ONLY German submarine missing in the area

        There were few submarines in that area, because with the fall of France, all submarines moved closer to the Atlantic ...
        1. +2
          8 May 2023 13: 57
          Quote: Luminman
          There were few submarines in that area, because with the fall of France, all submarines moved closer to the Atlantic ...

          Before the fall of France and the use of bases on the west coast is still more than a year away. The northern passage was used by the Kriegsmarine intensively enough to enter the northwestern passages. Yes, and Prin, he did not interfere at all.
          1. 0
            8 May 2023 16: 33
            Quote: Adrey
            Yes, and Prin, he did not interfere at all

            Prin knew all the booms and minefields. He went for a walk in Scapa Flow. If you are talking about this...
        2. +2
          8 May 2023 21: 51
          In the Norwegian fjords, anti-submarine nets were actively and very effectively used by the Germans. Especially where Tirpitz was based. Because of these networks, the British were unable to destroy Tirpitz with the help of midget pl pl. Aviation drowned Tirpitz, the nets did not interfere with it.
  11. +11
    8 May 2023 08: 10
    The ships of the Black Sea Fleet could organize a blockade of Ukrainian ports, but because of the “grain deal”, the enemy not only sells grain and buys weapons with this money, which, which is not excluded, are brought to Ukraine by the same ships that then export grain.
    For the transportation of gas through Ukraine, the Kremlin paid Kyiv more than a billion dollars. That's all you need to know about the situation.
    1. +7
      8 May 2023 08: 47
      Quote: Gardamir
      For the transportation of gas through Ukraine, the Kremlin paid Kyiv more than a billion dollars. That's all you need to know about the situation.


      This has already been said 100 times - if Putin had stopped supplying gas and oil through Ukraine in 2014, then no war would have happened in 2022. The European Union needs Ukraine only as a transit country for Russian oil and gas, and without them, Ukraine turns into the same useless state as Moldova and Georgia, on which nothing depends at all. As a result of his multi-movements, Putin completely lost Streams 1-2 and was forcibly tied to Ukraine through its transit.
  12. +8
    8 May 2023 08: 15
    As they say - it's too late to drink Borjomi. The fact that the Ukrainians will be armed with a whole galaxy of all kinds of underwater equipment to destroy the Russian fleet - do not go to your mother. Moreover, the halo of combat use will probably not be limited to one single Black Sea, well, most likely it will go to at least the entire Baltic-North fleet. Speaking in simple and accessible language, then "dear partners" will slowly and slowly destroy the entire combat power of Russia with the hands of Ukrainians, under the spray of champagne in NATO offices and all European-American military departments.

    Nothing will be limited to missiles alone. The Western Alliance will supply them, as well as "sleeping" naval bombs, which will be activated when any warship passes nearby, as well as any unmanned aqua-drones controlled via satellite.

    How Russia will respond to this is still not clear. Well, except for nuclear weapons. Maybe my view is too pessimistic, but I do not see anything good for Russia in the foreseeable future. Russia has already exhausted its military potential, the peak of what Russia could do on the battlefield has long been passed. Some kind of superweapon that Russia can now create, and which will completely change the course of events in Russia's favor, already looks fantastic. That is why the Americans assume that from hopelessness and the lack of any progress in the war, Russia will be forced to use nuclear weapons.
    1. 0
      8 May 2023 09: 58
      There is no point in using nuclear weapons on our territory. And the outskirts is the historical territory of Russia! The fact that people at the helm of the country cannot calculate the actions of the enemy even two steps ahead is bad. The entry of two more countries into NATO is a quiet offensive by NATO. Aquadrones will now certainly be in the Baltic. And the Baltic is actually already becoming an inland sea of ​​NATO. The content of the Baltic Fleet in a foreign body of water also becomes useless. Aquadrones and fire from the north and south will not let the fleet live long. Thanks to the **wise** leadership of the country for allowing NATO to expand! Why did Finland join NATO and not Russia?
      1. -1
        11 May 2023 12: 25
        There is no point in using nuclear weapons on our territory. And the outskirts is the historical territory of Russia!

        Eat. The President said that the West wants to dismember Russia. Read-encourage separatism. If you hit nuclear weapons on your former territory (I won’t argue whether this is right or not), then you make it clear to potential separatists that the central government will burn out the specific principalities by no means figuratively, then not everyone will be ready to accept such stakes. Everyone heard: "Why do we need a world in which there will be no Russia?" And if the West's plan for dismemberment succeeds, it turns out that the former territories of Russia will no longer be Russia. Everyone and everything is in ruins.
  13. +4
    8 May 2023 08: 18
    everything is as old as this world. After all, it’s a no brainer that a deaf defense (which we have now) leads to the preparation and attacks of the enemy, but now there is more politics. The shameful and unnecessary grain deal must be canceled and military operations at sea should begin
    1. +1
      8 May 2023 10: 01
      Greed will probably keep the grain deal from being cancelled. We allow them to export grain, they allow us to export fertilizers. Grain is exported quite successfully. How much has Russia earned from the export of fertilizers?
  14. 0
    8 May 2023 08: 28
    Quote: vladcub
    "Liberation of Odessa and Nikolaev", and by what forces?
    Cash forces - not really. Theoretically, it is possible: a massive strike from the sea, land and air, but theory and practice are two big differences.
    Last spring there was a chance to master Nikolaev. True, at the cost of great losses

    Last spring there was a chance to mobilize the rear as much as possible and get the means to strike.
    But no, engineers are sitting without work in their specialty, and hordes of guest workers are changing curb tiles and building roads for foreign cars.
    1. +9
      8 May 2023 08: 35
      Quote from Kuziming
      But no, engineers are sitting without work in their specialty, and hordes of guest workers are changing curb tiles and building roads for foreign cars.


      Yes, there are no engineers in Russia, during Putin's rule, millions of armies of lawyers and economists were released. A year ago, Putin himself admitted this and said that an engineering school should be developed in Russia. Well, yes, after 22 years of the wise reign of the tsar father, it finally occurred to him that without engineering, nothing from modern weapons would appear in Russia. By the way, Iran is in third place in the world in terms of the number of engineers annually graduating from universities. Therefore, NATO is really afraid of Iranian weapons, and Israel recognizes that with the speed with which Iran creates the latest types of weapons and modernizes them, this is a real threat to the entire Western world.

      But Russian weapons, which have no analogues in the world, are no longer afraid of anyone. And, apparently, those Russian military who have their heads on their shoulders are not even afraid of him, and not the cardboard generals of the Arbat military district ...
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    2. -1
      8 May 2023 10: 04
      Where to mobilize? There are no factories, no machine tool industry. What to produce during mobilization? Military uniform according to TU?
  15. -1
    8 May 2023 08: 45
    As long as Russia does not have its own version of Operation Overlord on Odessa, attacks on the Black Sea Fleet will continue. But for such an operation, many landing ships with escort destroyers and air supremacy are needed. I think Mistrals would be very useful now. No wonder France refused to sell them.
    1. +2
      8 May 2023 08: 56
      Quote: Glock-17
      Until Russia has its own version of Operation Overlord


      The XNUMXst century is already in the yard. The mediocre Russian generals also forgot about it or did not know at all. Even a month before the start of the war in Ukraine, the Western alliance knew perfectly well that Russia was preparing an invasion. In addition, they knew in advance which roads the Russian army would take, so they very successfully prepared all kinds of traps and ambushes for the Russian army for the Russian army, and also sent the first column of the Russian army to the minefields. As a result of such actions, the Russian army in the first week lost a very large number of soldiers, both killed and captured. Books will be written about this in the future and, I hope, an analysis will be carried out who is to blame - Russian generals or Russian intelligence, who did not see ambushes and traps being created under their noses, up to false indications of settlements that were introduced into minefields and ambushes.

      And now you assume that our brave generals will be able to create such an operation as "overlord". I’m only afraid if such an idea is realized, then ours won’t even get to the coast of Odessa, they will completely put everyone ...
      1. +3
        8 May 2023 10: 14
        In fact, the Black Sea Fleet at one time bore an offensive nickname - "self-propelled guns". After 1856, he was exceptionally unlucky.
  16. +1
    8 May 2023 08: 52
    Yes, the line of defense, according to a well-known saying, passes through our bases. And the fleet is designed to go out and block the enemy's ports. But we are either in a situation of REV, or we immediately understand our powerlessness.
  17. 0
    8 May 2023 09: 12
    Everything is written by the author. It's just that the fleet was not ready for a war of a new formation. If there is an air defense system in the air, then in the water and at the boundary of the environments, enemy activity is practically not tracked in automatic mode. I will never believe that a combat swimmer using mechanical means of movement or a combat drone does not emit anything, we are simply looking in the wrong place or simply no one is doing this on a scientific basis. What do we see on the drone? A multispectral video surveillance system, probably controlled by artificial intelligence, where is the same thing on our ships? Why do people with binoculars do this? Which can be distracted or simply tired and doze off from monotonous work!
    1. +1
      8 May 2023 10: 09
      The Americans were going to or had already conducted exercises with the participation of aquadrones and AI (artificial intelligence). What kind of drones can we talk about if we helped launch US satellites with our missiles, which are the vast majority in space and they work against Russia!
      1. +4
        8 May 2023 12: 25
        You correctly noticed everything about satellites, from one cosmodrome you can not throw satellites into any orbit. If the satellite does not have a complex maneuvering system, then it is technically impossible to fill all the orbits with satellites from one cosmodrome, so they used ours.
    2. -1
      8 May 2023 11: 25
      Quote: Sergey3
      It’s just that the fleet was not ready for a new war ..... I’ll never believe it, it’s just that we’re looking in the wrong place, or simply no one is doing this on a scientific basis. What do we see on Why do people with binoculars do this?
      If everything is "simple", then please do without "why?".....
  18. +1
    8 May 2023 09: 44
    What a pop.
    What, no one guessed that at least two people always play such military "games"?
    Everyone knew. And the almost daily reports of the Russian Defense Ministry that we are hitting Ukraine with drones / missiles / bombs, including ports, including Odessa - show that the fight against supplies to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is already underway.

    And that single BPA attacks on water are ineffective - this has been known since ancient times.
    so 1,2,3 boats near the Crimea, or near the Ukrainian bridge - it’s difficult to call it anything other than reconnaissance in battle.

    So do not panic, but make massive your UAVs and defense.

    By the way, . here on the VO there was an article, with examples of recent wars, that every little thing - boats, boats, against a combat-ready powerful ship - simply does not roll. It is unlikely that a weak, low-speed UAV will be more dangerous than a fast, powerful specialized PC. missiles ...
    1. 0
      8 May 2023 09: 58
      Quote: Max1995
      So do not panic, but make massive your UAVs and defense.


      This all sounds good if instead of Russia there was the USSR, which produced electronics, optics, spy satellites and all that on its own. Well, the Soviet various design bureaus and research institutes worked very well. Well, now, under the conditions of sanctions, one can not even hope to expect any breakthrough systems from the Russian military-industrial complex. The best thing that can be done at the present time is to get some systems from Iran, China and northern Koret .. It is unlikely that they will give Russia something of their most modern, well, even a system of the past generation can cause very much damage.
      1. -1
        9 May 2023 12: 33
        Quote: Max1995
        By the way, . here on the VO there was an article, with examples of recent wars, that every little thing - boats, boats, against a combat-ready powerful ship - simply does not roll

        This is when the ship goes to sea with the systems turned on. In the port, this is an immovable target that requires protection, because no resource is enough to use them 24/7, and not everyone can freely apply side to side in the Sevastopol Bay.
  19. +7
    8 May 2023 09: 57
    Quote from iran
    Quote from Kuziming
    But no, engineers are sitting without work in their specialty, and hordes of guest workers are changing curb tiles and building roads for foreign cars.


    Yes, there are no engineers in Russia, during Putin's rule, millions of armies of lawyers and economists were released. A year ago, Putin himself admitted this and said that an engineering school should be developed in Russia. Well, yes, after 22 years of the wise reign of the tsar father, it finally occurred to him that without engineering, nothing from modern weapons would appear in Russia. By the way, Iran is in third place in the world in terms of the number of engineers annually graduating from universities. Therefore, NATO is really afraid of Iranian weapons, and Israel recognizes that with the speed with which Iran creates the latest types of weapons and modernizes them, this is a real threat to the entire Western world.

    But Russian weapons, which have no analogues in the world, are no longer afraid of anyone. And, apparently, those Russian military who have their heads on their shoulders are not even afraid of him, and not the cardboard generals of the Arbat military district ...

    And what do you want. Such a policy has led to the fact that even at the everyday level among people, the profession of an engineer or a skilled worker has become synonymous with a loser, a loser.
    When meeting a girl, say that you work as an engineer for a small salary. The girl will rather go to a more promising sales manager.
    Of course, I'm exaggerating. But something like that.
    In general, those people who create some with their brains, some with their hands. They lowered them below the plinth. Both materially and morally.
    1. +4
      8 May 2023 11: 36
      at the everyday level among people, the profession of an engineer or a skilled worker has become synonymous with a loser, a loser.
      So it was back in the 80s, despite the fact that a builder who cheated could earn very good money. And now a welder can earn more than a sales manager.
    2. +1
      8 May 2023 23: 26
      You obviously didn’t live under the USSR, when the same engineer was considered a loser in life, because of his meager salary
      1. 0
        10 May 2023 15: 38
        Evona in the film "Blonde around the Corner", the astrophysicist was surprised to know a different side of Soviet life, having passed through the stage of a loader in a grocery store.
  20. -5
    8 May 2023 09: 59
    As if to delay or not to delay it directly depends on Russia. Could - did not delay.
  21. -1
    8 May 2023 10: 09
    What human, resource and reputational losses will our country in general and the fleet in particular suffer?

    I have a feeling that there is nowhere to fall further. But I hope they don't knock from the bottom
  22. -2
    8 May 2023 10: 17
    The near future will show whether the smooth, gradual loss of the Russian initiative is a temporary phenomenon that will end in a powerful offensive by the RF Armed Forces, or this loss of initiative is the main line of the Supreme.

    If the second is, then after regular major failures, complete self-discrediting of the army leadership is possible. And again, a natural and understandable to the people - the transition to the system of oprichnina. Who will be the new guardsmen, we already know.

    In the long term, this will lead to a complete collapse and division of the country. We have already begun to be "notified" of this.
  23. -6
    8 May 2023 10: 21
    If there is no grain supply, NATO and US ships will enter the Black Sea
    1. +4
      8 May 2023 13: 18
      "NATO and US ships will enter the Black Sea"
      wake up, dear Vasya! NATO ships have long been in the Black Sea - Romania, Bulgaria, Türkiye. that's why the Black Sea Fleet is hiding in Sevastopol, no matter how something happens
  24. -4
    8 May 2023 10: 32
    Now I looked at the articles and comments. Half of GENERALLY "not in the subject."
    Hence the statements that the fleet from Sevastopol to withdraw to the north. But how, probably, to put it in your pocket?
    "Why else is there electricity"? The army has the latest Western generators. So the destruction of energy systems is ineffective.
    Our intelligence and the General Staff did not know at all what kind of army they had. Otherwise, you'd better be prepared.
    Guys, do not be offended, but you do not know the situation. I myself know only a quarter of the whole situation from there.
    Ps
    "Commanders" want a quick victory? Come and try
    1. +3
      8 May 2023 10: 43
      Quote: Astra wild2

      Our intelligence and the General Staff did not know at all ...
      "Commanders" want a quick victory? Come and try

      And in order to understand, it is not necessary to be everywhere and "come."

      For example, is it possible that Russian intelligence "did not know" and did not find out in 8 years what kind of army the Armed Forces of Ukraine became?
      In 2014, she was such that she simply left Crimea, and some went to serve in Russia. Everything was done in front of your eyes.

      And our public has been told for 8 years that Ukraine is digging a ditch along the borders with Russia, and even for this ditch "no pennies .." ..... What is the point here, it can be seen from afar even better than from Sevastopol.
    2. 0
      8 May 2023 13: 24
      "Only how, probably, to put it in your pocket?
      why such an extreme. like everyone else, the Bosphorus, the Dardanelles. then you can go to the Suez, or the North Sea. there is no war, all paths are open
      "Commanders" want a quick victory? Come and try"
      don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go
  25. -1
    8 May 2023 10: 55
    The author of the article seems to have joined the harmonious choir of Saloreich's informational counteroffensive. And after all, everything looks right, important problems are raised. And after all, how "on time" exactly before May 9th.
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  27. +1
    8 May 2023 11: 00
    Quote: S. Viktorovich
    The only effective way to reduce the risk of attacks from the sea is the liberation of Odessa and Nikolaev.

    Yeah, and also Istanbul ...
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  29. -1
    8 May 2023 11: 19
    Of course, the Black Sea turns out to be a big puddle in the middle of the land! And during the Second World War, no big naval battles were foreseen either! And the submarines remain! They launch missiles and it’s harder for drones to take them ...
  30. 0
    8 May 2023 11: 27
    the author does not even know the terminology ...
    The only truth is that a variety of drones will displace all large and almost all human-controlled ships at sea - NK and submarines, plus (or rather, "minus") - manned combat aircraft.
  31. -1
    8 May 2023 11: 33
    The more the ship is at sea, the less likely it is to be hit by this drone.
    Although there are all sorts of booms, nets, etc. for harbors. Everything is as old as the world.
  32. -1
    8 May 2023 11: 39
    Everything, as usual, rests on the quality of the intelligence of the top of the Defense Ministry and the lack of funds for the development, manufacture, supply of modern means of warfare to the troops.
  33. +3
    8 May 2023 13: 55
    Quote: All_Good
    Local support the Russian Federation to release?

    And why would they suddenly not support the liberation? They liberated Marinka, almost liberated Bakhmut - they brought such happiness to the inhabitants. Not one whole house. Of course they will support
  34. -4
    8 May 2023 14: 25
    Vessels carrying grain under the deal are subject to inspection with the participation of representatives of the Russian Federation. So they don’t carry any weapons from the word at all. It's one of the terms of the deal, screening. Service in the Navy has been set up, air and sea are under control, how many drones have already been shot down. Of course, you won’t bring down everyone, something flies, but not large. But there really is no way to land, the ships are still on the way to flip anti-ship missiles, and the planes knock down air defense. Therefore, the entire southwest of the 404th is out of range. Close, but you can't take it. Good luck to all naval officers, work is underway and Happy May 9th!
    1. -1
      8 May 2023 21: 44
      Now, if you send three planes and three ships to Odessa, then of course they will be shot down and sunk, and if you send thirty-three ships and fifty planes with electronic warfare and anti-radar, then the landing force can still reach, and for the most part.
  35. 0
    8 May 2023 14: 42
    What fleet, the Kremlin has already been hit, and what? Nothing! Only the talking head ominously said the usual phrases about retribution.
  36. -2
    8 May 2023 17: 09
    my opinion is this.
    1. Destruction of all bridges across the Dnieper, Southern Bug, Horyn.
    2. Destruction of all generating capacities without exception.
    3. then flowers to plants and factories
  37. -4
    8 May 2023 18: 25
    PS
    On the day when this material was sent for publication, UAV strikes were carried out on the Moscow Kremlin - this is to the question of what the Ukrainian authorities are ready to decide in principle and whether they will risk, for example, strike at the Crimean bridge...

    Why guess on the coffee grounds about what the ukroführer is ready to decide on, it is better to think about what the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation cannot decide on. sad
  38. +1
    8 May 2023 18: 28
    With the modern mess ..... in general, if you deal with the mess of the Berievski software .. then you need to start with a correct explanation of the situation to the authors of such articles and send them to organizations like "UralSpetsLes" along with admirals who do not understand modern warfare and do not know the methods of proper organization water area protection. Krebb also wanted to look at the structure of the bottom of the Sverdlov cruiser, but our correct combat swimmers sent him to feed the fish ....
  39. -1
    8 May 2023 19: 00
    Ships need to be put out to sea, to learn how to fight in real combat conditions. Combat patrols and attacks on the enemy's shore, checking grain vessels for weapons. And then why do we need a fleet? What would the admirals brainwash the crews to clean the latrines? Put on shoulder straps to defend your homeland, so fight in the sea and do not stand at the piers and piers, shaking with fear from drones.
    That no one understood that the "Moskva" was doomed, but the fleet itself did not demand to modernize it as it should, and then put it up for slaughter.
    These are the ships that were ordered, with such weapons, then let them go to sea for glory and exploits. soldier
  40. -2
    8 May 2023 20: 22
    And that we don’t have the ability to calculate sea drones? Why it is impossible to develop sensor buoys, including in order to check the sky and water.
    After all, you can fix the sensor balls on the bottom of the sea and monitor
    Maybe it's time to return the Snake Island back to yourself and from it to carry out reconnaissance and destroy flying drones:?
    Zmenya will have to launch drones and monitor up to 100 km
    Reb systems to be installed on marine drones. And so that they cruise near the serpentine sotrov and shoot down any guidance on the island
    Their shells are excalibur if the guidance does not work, then the guidance will not work
    1. 0
      9 May 2023 09: 27
      Why not identify the places of production of their components and assembly of them themselves? And hit them ...
  41. -1
    8 May 2023 20: 43
    It is necessary to manufacture patrol boats, and monitor both the surface and underwater parts. It was possible to put about 20 boats with shell C on guard. If you protect the boat with an electronic warfare system, then no drone will approach it
    Boats must move fast
    This boats antenna should work 360 degrees
    Why can't you create a drone with a locator like an A50 aircraft. so that he scans the area for other people's drones
    1. -2
      8 May 2023 22: 17
      Hydroacoustics is needed, such a clunker under water can be heard and probably from afar
  42. +4
    8 May 2023 21: 43
    The article is good. A plus for her. But there is one downside. These are worries about the reputational losses of Russia if the attack of the naval drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is successful. Dear author, after the loss of the cruiser Moskva, attacks by "low-flying" helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at an oil refinery in Belgorod, dozens of attacks on military airfields and warehouses in different parts of Russia, and even in the Crimea, after the flight of the Army of the Ministry of Defense from Izyum and other cities, departure from Kherson, drones to the dome of the Kremlin, the flight of more than one and a half million men from Russia from mobilization abroad, the lies of the Moscow Region, etc. - no more reputation. Absolutely not. Every bottom has been broken.
  43. +1
    8 May 2023 22: 00
    the desire to bring down the starlinks is welcome. but there is a question: what will we shoot down? the Russian Federation has anti-satellite missiles in the amount of several thousand ????
  44. 0
    8 May 2023 22: 15
    I bet nothing will be done. Even if they destroy our ship. And the grain deal will go on and on.
  45. -2
    8 May 2023 22: 53
    It is necessary to test the Sarmat in combat conditions, so to speak - to fill it with a conventional warhead and send it to an enterprise for the production of floating drones.
  46. +2
    8 May 2023 23: 14
    Again couch experts. The writer has no idea about the organization of the protection of ports and military facilities. The practice of such protection was practiced in the Second World War, in Syria and in many other places. Yes, the possibility of defeat is always there, minimal. Reducing Risks to the Absolute Minimum (SRAM) in the protection of military ships is always and everywhere a paramount task. Let us recall the methods of protection from military climbers of the cruiser Kirov in the port of Britain. The saboteur was either cut by our divers or the propeller of the cruiser.
    With regards to this PSU, its screw makes noise, like all the others and even more. The acoustician in the warhead of the ship in the port hears it for a long time, gives the azimuth, distance, the electronic warfare of the sheep sees the communication channel. Or does the author think that both of them are drunk in the cabin? Well, let's say, but on the next ship they are sober, on the shore the port security operator pulled to the women from duty?
    This drone is seen from afar, they let it into the shooting area. Or what should be done? Raise the top with rockets to shoot on the beach behind the radio hill? In order for the glass to fly out in the village, the roofs to be cut with fragments? Fish to mute a couple of bags ?
  47. 0
    9 May 2023 00: 05
    The title of the article bears a defeatist motive.
  48. 0
    9 May 2023 02: 17
    Set nets and stand high. But this is not the point, it is necessary to control the source of these devices. That is the port of Odessa
  49. -1
    9 May 2023 02: 56
    No matter how we feel sorry for the cruiser Moscow, we must objectively admit that the time for such ships is gone. Now we see that drones work more efficiently than snipers and even artillery. In the near future, low-cost robotic systems will be created, and they will rule the roost. We urgently need to master this direction. Trying to protect the ships is like running after a departed train...
    1. 0
      9 May 2023 09: 23
      And to develop means of REP against these complexes.
    2. 0
      9 May 2023 10: 01
      And what about without a fleet? It is clear that the fleet will change, there will be ships - bases for drones of all types - air, surface, underwater ... But these ships will still need to be protected, plus boats - carriers of strategic weapons will also need to be protected from drones, so protection measures are needed .
    3. 0
      9 May 2023 16: 37
      Apparently, Moscow simply did not have modern air defense. Yes, and cruisers can no longer go to sea alone, or almost alone. So this is a failure in naval tactics, for which the command is responsible. Moreover, they have been writing about defense against anti-submarine missiles for a long time, but the cart was in the same place where it was.
  50. -1
    9 May 2023 05: 51
    That's right, it's amazing that anyone else believes the enemy.
  51. -1
    9 May 2023 07: 42
    The easiest way to solve the enemy's navigation systems is either by means of electronic warfare, which, as practice shows, does not work out very well... Or in a simple and reliable way by launching para-trucks of nails into orbit....
  52. -2
    9 May 2023 07: 48
    It’s high time to automate military operations both on land and in the sky and at sea! Not with remote control! Until a combat system appears in real time, this is all an attempt!
    1. 0
      10 May 2023 10: 34
      "Until there is a combat system in real time, this is all an attempt!"
      skynet?
  53. -1
    9 May 2023 09: 21
    This means that it is necessary to identify both the locations of BECs and the places of production of them and their components.
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  55. 0
    9 May 2023 10: 50
    And finally, it’s time to stop the political games around the grain deal - the blockade of Ukraine from the sea must be complete

    Today Russia is gathering a large group of countries that are almost allies in Africa thanks, among other things, to this deal. So not everything is so simple and straightforward in global politics. This deal benefits Russia, albeit indirectly. At the same time, simultaneously demonstrating all the cynicism of the “golden billion” in relations with the world. This is also useful for our purposes.
    1. 0
      10 May 2023 10: 37
      “Today Russia is gathering a large group of countries that are almost allies in Africa thanks, among other things, to this deal.”
      Russia bought these allies without any deal, simply, for 20 billion dollars in money, and with a promise to continue to supply grain and fertilizers for free. Putin personally promised
  56. -2
    9 May 2023 10: 51
    It seems to me that Russia loves to wage such wars - protracted, bloody, with an incomprehensible end. Losing a war for Russia is not a disaster, it will just be like a respite, well, for 50-100 years, then the Russian woman will accumulate resources and again go to “resolve issues”)) Well, this is the fate of the country. It doesn’t matter to her whether she wins or not, the main thing is to use this military flywheel against the “enemy.” People will never live normally here, except perhaps during rare breaks, while the kings gather and think about who the enemy is and when to attack him)
  57. -2
    9 May 2023 12: 14
    Now motion detection systems on cameras and thermal imagers are made by dozens of Russian companies. For ridiculous money by military standards and in the shortest possible time, they implement a detection system and interface with firing systems, if necessary.
    But...Some people feel very good when billions are dissolved in endless research and development projects...
  58. -1
    9 May 2023 12: 32
    The cardinal solution is to cut off Ukraine from the sea completely. A lot of problems will be solved right away.
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  60. -1
    9 May 2023 16: 39
    Clear and to the point. Long ago, the conclusion is quite obvious. Obvious for those who want to destroy the Bandera regime. For the rest - grain deals.
  61. 0
    9 May 2023 21: 55
    There are six rows of boom barriers
  62. 0
    9 May 2023 22: 00
    Quote: Astra wild2
    Türkiye will not allow passage through the straits

    Türkiye will not allow entry.
    There are no prohibitions about “getting out”
  63. -1
    10 May 2023 07: 04
    Does the General Staff understand this?
  64. 0
    10 May 2023 16: 40
    You can't imagine a more absurd situation.
    ---------------
    You don't even need to invent it. For every ton of grain passing through Odessa, Abramovich’s son-in-law receives a gesheft. And when the ammonia pipeline from Samara is launched, there will be even more profit. If this is not more absurd, then Abramovich is Chinese.
  65. 0
    11 May 2023 05: 06
    Well, here’s the future of the fleet - unmanned boats, drones, mini submarines with propellers. and not dinosaur aircraft carriers and other fetishes of the local marine sect
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