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30 November 2012 of the year at OAO Zelenodolsk Shipbuilding Plant named after AM Gorky (part of OAO Holding Company Ak Bars) in Zelenodolsk held a groundbreaking ceremony for the floating floating dock "Sviyaga" of the 22570 project (cipher "Apartment") for the Navy Russia.

The 22570 project was developed by the St. Petersburg Central Marine Design Bureau Almaz OJSC. The carrying capacity of the transport floating dock is 3300 tons, the length is 134 meters, the width is 14 meters, and the draft is 2,67 meters. A government contract for the supply of a floating transport dock was concluded in the spring of 2012. Deadline for the dock to the customer is scheduled for 2015 year.

The laying ceremony was attended by the head of the Main Directorate for Deep-Water Research (the so-called military unit 40056) of the Ministry of Defense of Russia Hero of Russia Vice Admiral Alexei Burilichev. According to him, “such a floating dock is being laid for the first time in the past 12 years. It is intended for repair and maintenance of Northern vessels fleet. A floating dock will provide transportation of ships and vessels on inland waterways from north to south. "

Project image of the transport floating dock of the 22570 project (c) of OAO "Zelenodolsk Shipbuilding Plant named after AM Gorky"
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  1. 0
    1 December 2012 11: 40
    More such news.
    1. 0
      1 December 2012 13: 56
      Well, the rules, quiet glanders ...
      1. +3
        1 December 2012 14: 39
        And no one notices that all the recent projects adopted are only from KB Almaz? I will not give lectures, but think about how many design bureaus and how many accepted and from whom.
        1. +1
          1 December 2012 14: 52
          Quote: Mechanic
          And no one notices that all the recent projects adopted are only from KB Almaz?

          Hi Eugene, called, look for someone profitable hi
          1. YARY
            +1
            1 December 2012 16: 58
            About that garny igrushka!
            Beauty Lala Swell!

            By significance, it is almost on par with the cruiser. The sailors who know the course.
            This baby is like the right size screwdriver. When necessary, it should be at hand "like a bayonet"! We can say that it’s a doctor for everything that’s afloat, and not very well.
            1. +1
              1 December 2012 21: 57
              Quote: Ardent
              That baby is like a screwdriver of the right size. When necessary, it should be at hand "like a bayonet"! We can say that it’s a doctor for everything that’s afloat, and not very well.
              Hi Andrew. This is more likely not a dohtur but a nurse who pulls the wounded from the battlefield. And so, with minor injuries, bandage it further on. Well, in general, that’s the right device.
              1. YARY
                +3
                1 December 2012 22: 15
                This kaneshna is not "super" but, as it was said without her, an orphan.
                Although kaneshna our grandfathers mastered the "Kamchatka" so that we would have something tastier.
                1. YARY
                  +2
                  1 December 2012 22: 34
                  PySy-

                  Main characteristics of the TPD project 22570:

                  - length - 134 m,
                  - width - 14 m,
                  - draft - 2,67 m,
                  - carrying capacity - 3 300 tons.
                  1. 0
                    7 June 2022 13: 44
                    Actually the dimensions of the dock itself are secondary. Much more important are the internal dimensions (i.e., what size ship / ship / boat is it capable of accepting).
                    And about them it's hard ...
    2. beech
      0
      1 December 2012 14: 41
      Well, well, as they finish building it so perfectly!
      1. -4
        1 December 2012 15: 59
        Honestly guys, this is not at all what we expect. Soon there will be no ships left to be transported by this "dock"

        Isn’t it wiser to build real ships, and leave all floating docks at 3300 tons (what are you planning to move to where? - he won’t raise a single Navy ship) for later. This has little to do with improving the infrastructure for basing ships - this is not a vital pier, boiler room or dock at 50 thousand tons for servicing the SSBNs and cruisers

        By the way, this is again an information fake: laid down - doesn’t mean it’s built. Over the past 100 years, thousands of laid-down ships have never seen the sea
        1. +3
          1 December 2012 19: 57
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          what and where are you going to move?

          boat base to the factory and back smile


          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          he will not raise a single ship of the Navy)

          so the customer is GUGI, they all have small boats. fellow
          1. -1
            1 December 2012 22: 38
            Quote: FoMaS
            boat base to the factory and back

            It does not fit.
            The most "modest" multipurpose nuclear submarine, project 971, has a surface displacement of 8000 tons. "Borey" - 14 thousand tons.
            Quote: FoMaS
            so customer GUGI, they all have small boats

            So they don’t have boats at all
  2. -1
    1 December 2012 11: 41
    We have a lot of replicas on our site that the government is not interested in anything except corruption, etc.
    Here is one of the answers. Everything goes the way
    1. +4
      1 December 2012 11: 53
      Quote: homosum20
      Everything goes the way

      And forgive the way to where? ...... I don’t need such a way and for nothing .... if I hadn’t stolen in astronomical proportions, then this news would be an ordinary info that we would not know about ..... and here it is COOL ... HYPER NEWS ....
      1. +2
        1 December 2012 13: 50
        A flock of what? About corruption? Or all about bookmarking the dock? If you don't like it this "way", bring your own ... Or not a day without spoiling the air?
        1. 0
          1 December 2012 14: 08
          Quote: arnulla
          Don't like it this "way", get yours ...

          WE ARE OUR WE WILL BUILD A NEW WORLD ...... a pioneer .... blah ... did you even study geography a drop ?? ... Lope of the seas washed our immense ??? and sea length? and lope navigable rivers? and where are the shipyards ?? .... and then suddenly one ship was laid down .... I'm certainly very happy about this ..... but this is NOT NEW !!!! ... THIS BONE !!! hungry dog ​​...
          1. +3
            1 December 2012 15: 08
            Decided to go to geography without answering the previous question? Vsezh I guessed about you and about the damage to the air ... Try to stop eating all sorts of muck, we can help ...
          2. boris.uryadkin
            +1
            2 December 2012 07: 58
            We are ours, we are new .... And we will build, because Russia is already firmly on its feet and has authority in the world, only a blind person can not notice.
          3. Gluxar_
            0
            2 December 2012 22: 44
            Quote: gispanec
            but THIS IS NOT NEW !!!! ... THIS IS BONE !!! hungry dog ​​...

            True, how much can you smell that? What kind of nonsense you write. Have you read this text in the news section? Have you heard about the laying of this floating dock before? Then turn on the mogz and distinguish the news from the "shit shit". Go carry your stench elsewhere, but the news is really good.
            I am glad that the development of the Navy is going the right way and systematically, they are thinking not only about the quantitative composition, but also about infrastructure and services. The dock is needed not for strategic underwater missile carriers, but for the coastal fleet and river-sea transportation. Now many ships are laid down both for the ocean fleet and for the coastal zone. The ability to carry out scheduled repairs without returning the ship to the factory is a huge tactical advantage and cost savings.
        2. ozs
          ozs
          +2
          1 December 2012 15: 00
          Do you mean you like the current way?
          I like that the feldmobile utilized and earned loot from the army.
          And all this under the auspices of top management.
          Do you like that you’ve even stopped hiding about a completely stolen government? In Russia, wherever you look, devastation is everywhere, as after the war.
          And you all rejoice at the top ten aircraft built per year, a couple of dozen tanks and a couple of ships. But don’t take into account that this year a lot more equipment will be used up for scrap than those crumbs that you enjoy.
          1. Gluxar_
            -3
            2 December 2012 22: 48
            Another stench. In Russia, the final cleansing of the ranks of the leadership is taking place, in order to get to such high positions it was necessary to do a lot of work, the same leaders of large organized criminal groups are caught for 10 years and that is not always possible. During Medvedev's presidency, foreign agents did a good job and infiltrated the ranks of power with their "ideas", but liberalization also relaxed. Now everyone is warm and taken. The sabotage of the Russian rearmament program has failed, the perpetrators will be punished. The volumes in which the purchase of new equipment and the modernization of old equipment are made surpass all indicators of the armies of potential opponents. I am glad that the rearmament program includes not only "bare barrels", but also all the necessary infrastructure.
            Keep it up, but don't relax.
            1. ozs
              ozs
              0
              2 December 2012 23: 11
              all indicators of the army of potential opponents

              And who are our opponents?
              1. Gluxar_
                -2
                2 December 2012 23: 25
                There are no opponents, but only the only bloc in the world that wages wars in different countries of the world without interruption remains potential. It’s possible to hit him on the head with what he buys, but to bomb the natives from an aircraft carrier of a non-Russian tradition like that.
                1. ozs
                  ozs
                  0
                  3 December 2012 11: 00
                  Then it would be logical not to buy weapons from a potential enemy.
                  But for some reason, everything happens the other way around. Mistral, Iviki, etc.
  3. tdv-78
    -4
    1 December 2012 11: 49
    all the same money sawed mamaanegoryu
    1. +10
      1 December 2012 13: 26
      Even in the good news "I'll go to the site" right?
      My neighbor is the same, I bought a TV, so he told me: - And he will burn out within a year ..
      I bought a wallpaper: - they will dry up and disappear from you
      Etc. That's where you come from?
      1. phantom359
        +3
        1 December 2012 13: 34
        Sith Lord, This is a character trait, set to negative. In the case - a good dish, as I understand it for the maintenance of submarines.
      2. -12
        1 December 2012 14: 13
        Quote: Sith Lord
        That's where you come from?

        Yes, I’m your neighbor ..... here I watch how you steal and do not sleep at night ...
      3. Gluxar_
        -1
        2 December 2012 22: 49
        It’s dirty. It is not treated, but it is easily destroyed enough.
  4. Tirpitz
    +4
    1 December 2012 11: 53
    narrow and long. An excellent tool for transporting pl.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +3
      1 December 2012 12: 53
      For transporting submarines to the Black Sea. Conveniently. No need to drive a boat through a bunch of straits with support vessels. Quickly. Profitable.
      1. -2
        1 December 2012 14: 12
        for transportation from the C / D of the Kranoe Sormovo plant .... it is now in the OSK holding ..... so there will be military orders ... and the delivery room for the submarines .... here is the delivery ..... of the current needs first and not for mad grannies !!
  5. KCC
    KCC
    +11
    1 December 2012 11: 58
    We need to rejoice in what is. It’s good that there is movement and not like the recently dead calm. We hope that the movement will accelerate.
  6. +1
    1 December 2012 12: 31
    Well, in 3 years we’ll see.
    1. -6
      1 December 2012 14: 10
      Quote: rpek32
      Well, in 3 years we’ll see.

      when we see .... then I (if I survive) and drink 200g for the vessel ...... and tryndet is stupid about nothing
  7. anchonsha
    +5
    1 December 2012 12: 32
    At least one good news against the background of the negative in the form of theft of astronomical sums from the treasury of the state. I can’t imagine how we still live ... Bastards pull wherever there is money. Well, do not put the 37-year regime into effect, but something needs to be done. How can one steal with impunity when we have how many control bodies have been created. The only bad thing is that all control bodies are subordinate to the executive branch, from the municipal to the federal level.
  8. +4
    1 December 2012 12: 51
    Actually, at least we’re moving a little, and where did you see our control bodies, until they say Fas, they don’t move a finger
  9. +2
    1 December 2012 13: 03
    On fishless and cancer fish. money defense min. from the federal budget are allocated in full. Then they are easily plundered and any combat and auxiliary units for the fleet are built on the remaining funds, creating the appearance that everything is fine with us, everything is on the ointment, we are building, we are working. FUCKING YES WHAT TO JOY FOR ?! FLOATING DOCK BUILT, EPT MOTHER !!! Urya shout patriots ... over the past 20 years, a floating dock was built in the amount of 1 piece .. The pride of Russia ... Already infuriates.
    Z.Y. for the money that was allocated in minutes. defense, from the beginning of the reign of the medveput, it would be possible to build each of our four fleets on a personal IMPACT CARRYING GROUP !!!
    1. Gluxar_
      0
      2 December 2012 23: 04
      Quote: dimon-media
      FUCKING YES WHAT TO JOY FOR ?! FLOATING DOCK BUILT, EPT MOTHER !!! Urya shout patriots ... over the past 20 years, a floating dock was built in the amount of 1 piece .. The pride of Russia ... Already infuriates Z.Z. for the money that was allocated in minutes. defense, from the beginning of the reign of the medveput, it would be possible to build each of our four fleets on a personal IMPACT CARRYING GROUP !!!

      It is only such inadequacies that can scream and drool. Humorous people just write that the good news is the way it is. The rearmament program has been going on since 2010, and that was only announced. Only in 2011, specific volumes and the very appearance of the army of the future were formulated. This applies to the so advertised until 2020, of course there were and will be before it after.
      If they just looked at the scale, they would shut up, and not stink. Money is allocated not only to the fleet, even more so not to the fleet at all. The emphasis is on air defense and strategic missile forces, as well as the air force. But the Doge’s fleet got quite a bit, but the emphasis was again on strategic submarine missile carriers.

      Further, according to your delirium, the design of an aircraft carrier is an average of 10 years from world practice, if you build according to old drawings a la Kuznetsov, then a building is 5 years and only the aircraft carrier itself, escorting AUG is another 7-10 or more ships of the oceanic fleet, the cost of such an AUG can reach 15 billion dollars or more. In theory, this is possible, but what next? For the same money, you can build dozens of missile defense and missile defense systems and Strategic Missile Forces. It is much more effective in confronting all possible geopolitical adversaries. AUG is an ATTACK weapon sharpened for certain tasks. Russia has no one to attack on such a scale yet. And for attacking operations like 888 or support someone and something in the near abroad, Mistrals are perfect, just that caliber. So there is no need to carry on the next nonsense about "everyone was lost and plundered" and try to drag Russia into an unnecessary arms race, just to scam. The Americans have a lot of AUG and we need, the Chinese are building 7 aircraft carriers and we need 10. And the fact that the US AUG will oppose the AUG of China and we are not interested in separating them. The program for the development of our army in which century corresponds precisely to the national interests of Russia itself, and not to the agents of influence of foreign states as in the 1st and 2nd world wars. We do not climb anywhere and no one pokes themselves at us.
  10. MilaPhone
    -2
    1 December 2012 13: 38
    The bow and stern are "misrale-like", all the same the technologies were useful.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +3
      1 December 2012 14: 01
      With this architecture and the overlapping of the slipway, in the Soviet Union, transport floating docks were built in the 50s.
  11. Edya
    +2
    1 December 2012 14: 02
    Great news for a good day.
  12. talented villain
    -3
    1 December 2012 14: 34
    This ship is not a forward movement, but an attempt to save the curving present. If the new "Berezina" was launched into a series ... so they have nothing to provide! Where are the warships? I agree with the "negativist" - aircraft carriers are being built in India and China, this is news.
    1. ozs
      ozs
      -4
      1 December 2012 19: 03
      The leadership of India and China apparently bind themselves to their countries, and our own people try not to bind such trifles and their activities are associated exclusively with the dough.
  13. +6
    1 December 2012 14: 39
    Dear colleagues! I am not expressing my attitude to the news (although it is good), that's why. In Roslyakovo, in the water area of ​​SRZ-82, the newest dock PD-92 (78 tons) has been idle for FIVE YEARS (!). For him, Ukraine (Kherson plant) was paid 870 million rubles. Approx. the same amount was spent on redeployment around Europe to the Northern Fleet. The place has not yet been allocated, the dock has not been completed (no cranes have been installed), I will not dwell on other problems, they are there. But there is no movement in the direction of putting it into operation, just like there has not been for 5 years. You understand how much dough per month such a structure with a crew of 41 people eats, with electricity, water, garbage ... So the question arises: "Isn't it possible to finish building what is, and only then ..."
    1. ozs
      ozs
      -8
      1 December 2012 14: 51
      Why finish building? The current government does not create, but utilize it.
      Meanwhile, replenishing your pockets.
  14. -5
    1 December 2012 15: 27
    Today is the day of the ram hamster, which fuck ... e in the mouth?)))
    1. ozs
      ozs
      -2
      1 December 2012 15: 32
      What are you talking about, what hamsters and rams?
  15. +2
    1 December 2012 17: 27
    Great news, such a dock is very necessary in the Russian Navy ...
  16. bart74
    +2
    1 December 2012 18: 37
    Again, it’s not a comment but a squabble. Meanwhile, ordinary good news, but the fact that they did not finish building - they will complete it. And about the aircraft carriers of India and China, I will not say anything. We already have one. And no longer needed. We are not amers to dryuchat someone thread in the Persian Gulf. We have other tasks. So everything is fine. At the Pacific Fleet there is a need for a pair of AUGs, but only a modern project, equipped with modern carrier-based fighters. So everything is fine with us.
    1. ozs
      ozs
      -4
      1 December 2012 19: 00
      We have other tasks. So everything is fine.

      I wonder what you understand under the word "everything"?

      A mace that does not fly?
      The long-suffering "Ash" has been building the lead boat for almost 20 years and still cannot accept it for service?
      The purchase of 4 Mistrals, without which our Navy could possibly do without, are there more urgent and urgent tasks?

      Other tasks? You mean that Russia, instead of keeping the Navy, Air Force, etc. in good condition, it would be better if the feldmebel and his Amazons would bathe in luxury. Well, yes, if these tasks, then everything is right, we are going the right way. A couple of new apartments in the center of Moscow seriously strengthen the country's defense.
      1. 0
        1 December 2012 21: 05
        You know why you are all yelling, because you are not allowed to idlers to steal from apartments in Moscow. the one who works normally and does not envy, he does not yell at every step and sees positive in any such news. and give you this around the apartment and you shut up.
        1. newFeofan
          +5
          1 December 2012 22: 34
          All who work hard and get a lot do not envy, yes. But where do they work? In private campaigns and corporations that have long stepped outside the borders of one state. And there is a house and a car and everything else. But only such a person by no means can be proud of his country. He’s not connecting him with his homeland, you know? It will be necessary to transfer to another branch in another country - immediately and without talking. Such people work for themselves and work well, believe me.
          And here is another person: he bends his back at state-owned enterprises no less than the first, but instead of his salary he gets cookies with butter. There is not even a prospect of rising by labor. And he goes to a cheap supermarket for cheap food (you can’t call it food in any way). Then in state. a clinic where, in the most successful scenario, you spend a couple of hours in line, and if the sore is more serious than a cold, then you can easily throw your hooves off, any operation of the money costs a lot, which simply does not exist. And people live in fear, envy and hate, they become cunning and cruel, because otherwise you can’t live in what surrounds them.
          At the exit, we get an interesting situation: the first is not concerned with the country, and the latter quietly hate it. And there are also people who haven’t entered the period of vigorous activity and who are sitting in high schools and universities across the country, they will see a positive news about the docked (!) Dock in any news, but in fact, the mother has prepared to eat, bought new socks, ironed the shirt, you can and express an active citizenship. Not getting up from a chair. And if anyone decides to notice that there is still something to work on in our society, that it is not ideally far from ideal, then that enemy, an agent of the State Department, or a Jew, or who else is in the way of living there, is well.
          1. +2
            2 December 2012 07: 19
            There is another approach: "For complete happiness, a person needs to have a glorious fatherland."
            1. Gluxar_
              +1
              2 December 2012 23: 17
              I wrote about the same. Although brevity is the sister of talent, you should not forget about it.
          2. +2
            2 December 2012 12: 35
            Quote: newFeofan
            But where do they work? In private campaigns and corporations that have long stepped outside the borders of one state. And there is a house and a car and everything else. But only such a person by no means can be proud of his country.
            Again. I work as the deputy chief designer in the PO Box 1326. I have a quart, a car, 2 an excellent son. Well, what have you done for Russia to scream so much that everything is in order with us?
          3. Gluxar_
            +1
            2 December 2012 23: 15
            You designated two categories, but forgot about the others. There is a whole cohort of people who work for the state and work. There is a cohort of people who protect this state at the cost of their blood. There are workers in factories who work and bend their backs, but they also receive money for this. And then they rejoice when they make harvesters or helicopters with their hands that serve the good of their MOTHERLAND. And they don’t need to have two cars around the house, travel to Thailand every year and relax in night clubs in the evenings. because they are PEOPLE and they have a mind, they understand that all this crap about a rich and glamorous life is crap. They will never be able to have all 7 billion in a country house and two apartments, since there is no place on the planet for 7 billion houses and 14 billion apartments, the planet also cannot feed 7 billion cars and 7 billion vacation flights to another part of the world. And they understand their place in this world, they will not sell the soul to the devil for a piece of biscuits, but simply will build their future honest and fair, knowing that there are jackals around who did not have the spirit to abandon the temptation. and the fact is that there are an absolute majority of such normal people, on which our country stood, will stand and will stand.
        2. 0
          2 December 2012 12: 33
          Quote: aleksandroff

          You know why you are all yelling, because you are not allowed to idlers to steal from apartments in Moscow.
          And you say that because you managed to steal? laughing
          Quote: aleksandroff
          whoever works normally and does not envy, he does not yell at every step and sees positive in any such news.
          Where do you work? Let me go from work to the defense industry complex to such a positive office laughing
          Quote: aleksandroff
          and give it to you like that around the apartment and you will shut up
          Estimate, I have an apartment, a good foreign car and I work for the defense industry. Duck here somehow shut up does not work. So do not tell your cherished dreams to everyone here. First, for the defense industry, at least do something.
        3. ozs
          ozs
          -2
          2 December 2012 12: 43
          Stupid. The point here is not apartments, but priorities.

          When the state did not set the goal of earning money, but the country's security.
          Then we had a strong Navy, Air Force, etc.
          And now contracts are underway for the construction of the Golden Mistral, and instead, you could bring at least one of your projects to mind. 10 years will pass and everything Soviet will become obsolete, then in general Russia will only trade oil. And it is good if oil continues to rise in price.
          Here is a graph of how oil has risen in price.


          It is a pity that at such a rate only Russian oligarchs and officials grew rich, but this did not have a positive effect on defense.

          So, what is not necessary here about apartments and the capital.
      2. YuDDP
        0
        3 December 2012 00: 36
        There is no longer sergeant with women. Why go crazy.
        1. ozs
          ozs
          0
          3 December 2012 11: 03
          And how long before that he was at the head of the Moscow Region. As many as four years, is it not enough.
          And instead of punishing him for the utilization of the army, he will be the next adviser to the authorities, and his Amazons will disperse to Europe.
    2. +1
      2 December 2012 12: 29
      Quote: bart74
      So everything is fine with us.
      Well, you can have it all right. And the fact that they are not on a promising, but on a modernized project, well, yes, this is a merit of the GDP and, in general, those who pulled this project off a dusty shelf. We need to turn on the brains before the next Ur, we are cool. negative fool
    3. Gluxar_
      -1
      2 December 2012 23: 08
      Quote: bart74
      Again, it’s not a comment but a squabble. Meanwhile, ordinary good news, but the fact that they did not finish building - they will complete it. And about the aircraft carriers of India and China, I will not say anything. We already have one. And no longer needed. We are not amers to dryuchat someone thread in the Persian Gulf. We have other tasks. So everything is fine. At the Pacific Fleet there is a need for a pair of AUGs, but only a modern project, equipped with modern carrier-based fighters. So everything is fine with us.

      I completely agree. I am glad that there are many people who understand such things. It’s bad that not everyone is ready to spend their time explaining this to others, because sometimes good news is drowning in the stream of registered feces.
  17. toguns
    +1
    1 December 2012 20: 28
    drinks good news.
  18. 0
    1 December 2012 20: 54
    Judging by the size and displacement, it is quite suitable for admiral's boats.
    1. 0
      2 December 2012 13: 01
      Judging by the reaction to the minus, one of the land owners is stuck!
  19. 77bor1973
    +1
    1 December 2012 23: 49
    it is intended for transportation by rivers, and the sediment is corresponding ...
  20. +2
    2 December 2012 00: 32
    And I did not realize that there were so many negatives on the site. I read - oh .... l. Yes guys, it seems that Vova will have to save Russia alone. And then I don’t know if it will be in time? Sincerely.
    1. -4
      2 December 2012 11: 19
      Quote: suharev-52
      it seems that Vova will have to save Russia alone


      I would like to clarify ..... save the country (homeland) from whom ???? .. From Vovan and his brigade? .... you are funny Sukharev ... by golly funny ...
      1. Gluxar_
        0
        2 December 2012 23: 23
        Well, save it loudly. But to develop it yes. And cleanse all garbage.
    2. Gluxar_
      -1
      2 December 2012 23: 22
      Will be in time. and not one. Everyone who has a head on his shoulders should do what he can do. It’s not necessary to go into the defense industry and collect rockets. Are you good at business? Get involved in business, create jobs and pay taxes. This is no less important. Can you trade American candy wrappers? I trade, but only on the St. Petersburg exchange, all the benefits.
      And of course, shut the shit up whenever possible, there is not much harm from them, but the stink still interferes.
      1. ozs
        ozs
        -2
        3 December 2012 11: 05
        I understand the truth hurts my eyes. So you will throw dies, instead of analyzing the situation with the Russian Navy.
        The question of backfill, how many times over the past 20 years has the quantitative composition of the Navy decreased?
        1. Gluxar_
          +1
          3 December 2012 12: 44
          Quote: ozs
          I understand the truth hurts my eyes. So you’ll throw dies instead of analyzing the situation with the Russian Navy. Question about backfill, how many times over the past 20 years has the number of naval forces decreased?

          Romney said something similar to Obama. I myself served at one time in the Navy and saw him in 2001. what I see today makes me happy. Unlike you, I’m just doing the analysis carefully, and not in a hurry. Russia needs a fleet, but not in the first place. We need a cover for the Arctic, it is being created. We need control of the Caspian, and work is being done there. We need the Mistrals for cross-border conflicts, and we buy them. We need their technology and get it. As it is now fashionable on the Internet ...

          You can’t take and build a powerful fleet like this. It is necessary to step up its capabilities.
          1. ozs
            ozs
            +1
            3 December 2012 13: 35
            Unlike you, I’m just doing the analysis carefully, and not in a hurry. Russia needs a fleet, but not in the first place.

            It's hard to disagree with you.
            Only here is the question of priorities.
            Right, why do we need a fleet in the first place? Is it better to change the soldiers twice in five years? Yes?
            Why the army needs military doctors and so many educational institutions, it would be necessary as a thread economical to earn extra money? We will sell all this correctly to ourselves at ridiculous prices. Is that all right?
            You served in the fleet in 2001, so how did the fleet replenish in 10 years? How many new ones came into operation and how many were decommissioned? It’s good if the ratio is 2/5, otherwise it could be worse.

            And now the question begs?
            You can’t take and build a powerful fleet like this. It is necessary to step up its capabilities.

            Its capabilities, namely, do not strengthen the country's defenses, but build up their capabilities in their pockets.
          2. +1
            3 December 2012 18: 41
            Quote: Gluxar_
            I myself served at one time in the Navy and saw him in 2001. what I see today makes me happy.

            Respected! Judging by your comments and answers, you either work in a top-secret organization and know so much that we are all here, sinners are not even worthy of covering up the shadow of your staff, the dust from your sandals are not worth blowing off, or, excuse me, you are touching an area in which you do not understand absolutely! That it pleases you so much in the development of the Navy in the period from 2001 to the present. ? For a country like ours, we have a Navy just NO! Well, or it ends, if you sweeten the pill))) I resigned as an officer of the headquarters of a large compound of the NK SF, now I work in the military ship repair of my native fleet. (Issue 78). Those. both development and collapse took place before my eyes and through my nerves and heart. There is nothing to be happy about, believe me. The fact that the norgi of our Murmansk fishermen periodically cling to the nostril is not even all ... We missed a lot. Incl. and since 2001. The gap is not visible yet. So "minus" to you.
  21. +2
    2 December 2012 02: 07
    Quote: suharev-52
    It seems that Vova will have to save Russia alone. And then I don’t know if it will be in time? Sincerely.

    Well, people will help, I hope not in vain voted wink
  22. boris.radevitch
    +1
    2 December 2012 08: 13
    More and more of these docks! good good
    1. Gluxar_
      0
      2 December 2012 23: 23
      No longer needed, as much as needed. One per fleet is enough.

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