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New EU planNew EU plan. By overcoming the crisis, of course! All this is reminiscent of the old animated cartoon “Journey Around the World in 80 Days”, in which Phileas Fogg and Paspartu were confronted by Mr. Fix.

By overcoming the crisis, of course! All this reminds of the old animated cartoon “Journey Around the World in 80 Days”, in which Phileas Fogg and Paspartu were confronted by Mr. Fix, who after another defeat asked himself all the time: “Do you have a plan, Mr. Fix?” He answered: “Of course, I have a plan!” The European Union, as we see, also has a plan. And what did they come up with (texture taken from the site gazeta.ru)?

To begin with, as it should be, a statement of facts. “The crisis with which we continue to fight has many facets. This is a debt crisis, against which we apply budget consolidation. This is a financial crisis in which the banking union and financial supervision will help. And this is an economic crisis that requires management reform in the Eurozone and the European Union, ”said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, introducing the project. “We are starting a debate based not on slogans, but on a document,” Barroso proclaimed ...

Already here we see serious internal problems. The fact is that the debt crisis did not start just like that, it was connected with the fact that the growth of state debt was used to raise the living standards of the population, and the tightening of fiscal policy, which, perhaps, would ease the debt crisis (although, as the example of Greece shows , it is absolutely not necessary), it will certainly sharply aggravate the social crisis. Barroso, if he is honest with himself and society, would have to say about it, moreover, openly and honestly say about the possible price of the issue (falling living standards of the EU population). Refusing to do so is a demonstration of either professional failure (which is most likely not the case), or evidence that the proposed program is not a panacea for ills, but only a political smoke screen. However, we read further.

... The plan consists of three phases. The first short-term goal is the creation of an additional cash fund for emergency assistance to countries in need. This will require additional contributions from the budgets of countries - EU members. This stage should be completed in the coming 6 – 18 months. The fund can be created as a “repayment fund” for countries whose national debt has exceeded 60% of GDP. At the same time, it was proposed to develop uniform rules for terminating the work of troubled banks, then they will be used by the single European banking regulator.

What is this foundation? This is a palliative, a replacement for private banks that are no longer going to refinance debt, which cannot be returned anyway. This is not a way out or even mitigating the debt crisis, it is a search for the last liquid resources in those countries where this crisis is at the minimum level in the EU (which is not at all - it needs to be told to German municipalities, many of which have practically no money) . As for bank bankruptcy, the question is: is this measure a hidden promise to help some of them in any case? Not very clear yet. In general, with the first stage, everything is clear. Go to the second.

The second stage, the medium term, will begin after 18 months and last for 3,5 years. Its task is to provide a reliable "financial potential" of the eurozone, including through the issuance of uniform debt securities. All countries of the eurozone will guarantee them, and any country will be able to borrow for them, but for a short-term period. In exchange for the placement of Eurobonds, the country will have to undertake certain obligations on economic reforms and competitiveness, similar to those that are now assumed by countries applying for financial assistance. The debtor countries will have to pay the fund for 25 years.

From a financial point of view, the same thing. We are talking about refinancing debt, that is, the very policy that has already led the EU to a debt catastrophe. It’s just that the countries that still seem to be not in the worst condition are involved in the system (as guarantors and sponsors). Well, it is clear that as soon as it becomes clear that the chances of returning the debt are getting smaller, the rates on these securities will rise sharply, the EU will get the same picture, only at the next stage, in an even worse state. True, for some time an illusion of overcoming the crisis will be created.

After five years, the third stage starts - the creation of a full-fledged unified budget, which will be support for countries facing problems, as well as the completion of the creation of a banking union with a single regulator and a system of guaranteeing all deposits. Implementation of the new project, European officials intend to start immediately. Already in 2013, the national budgets will first be approved by the pan-European institutions and only then be submitted for approval to the parliaments, this is spelled out in a document called the European Semester.

This topic is understandable: since it is already clear that economically the European Union did not take place, the European bureaucracy is trying to “stitch” its members as much as possible with political methods so that disintegration does not occur, which, as is clear, is a total disaster for the representatives of this group. Since to whom will they be needed in this case? It should be noted that the USA and international financial organizations have their own interests in preserving the EU, which cannot allow Germany to gain strength in the global financial arena.

And here we pay attention to the fundamental point: any union must be built around the center of power. Whole world история confirms this thesis! And all modern EU defenders are trying today to build the whole system around the weakest countries of this union, leaving only the right to pay for everyone to be strong. While there is money, of course. At the same time, the main economic principle of unification remains debt refinancing, that is, the policy that has already led the European Union to an economic catastrophe continues. In other words, the assumption that was made at the beginning of this text, about the reasons for creating this plan, most likely is correct: it is not so much about saving the EU, but about the political cover that will allow the European bureaucracy for a long time to exist in the current comfort mode .

The spectacle, of course, frankly, gloomy. Not to say terrible. The group of people who, most likely, have already understood everything, continues to carry the same mantra (slightly changing their external form without endangering content) in order to preserve the environment within which their existence is possible. Well, imagine a doctor who does not let anyone into the ward of an already deceased patient and get more and more money from inconsolable relatives to take the “last step” to recover ...

The degree of cynicism here is prohibitive, however, familiar to modern society. Another thing, it is surprising that no one pays attention to the whole senselessness of the “galvanization of the corpse”, which is handled by the European bureaucracy. After all, we are not the only ones who understand this! In the end, in all management courses they are taught that in order to deal with a problem, it is necessary to deal with its causes, and not with masking the symptoms! The plan proposed by the European Commission could not be defended as a banal course work in the most ordinary department, because it is not the task that it solves! Here at the faculties of political science as an example of political fraud - wow!

Well, the conclusion ... The conclusion is the simplest: today the European Union has no plans to overcome the crisis. Not even a hint of them.
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  1. Denis
    Denis 1 December 2012 11: 15
    +19
    As long as you dance to the American tune and support the petrodollar in all sorts of "wars for democracy", you, gentlemen Europeans, will fail.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 1 December 2012 12: 34
      +13
      Boasted of their standard of living, which is based on speculation and printing of papers! They themselves lived in good faith, and left future debts for future generations (if there is any future for this generation).
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 1 December 2012 16: 20
        +2
        ShturmKGB
        Boasted of their standard of living, which is based on speculation and printing of papers! They themselves lived in good faith, and left future debts for future generations (if there is any future for this generation).
        - where's Beck? Let it pop up and yell that everything is not true in the article and in your post, wipe it. eyes, we were lagging behind under the Communists, and the European Union is ahead of the rest! Let's catch up with the European Union! Well, something like that - on the next branch with Wasserman, he drove this blizzard. So, Storm of the KGB, now he will come and start here, get ready. laughing
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 1 December 2012 21: 42
        -6
        ShturmKGB
        and they left debts for future generations (if there is any future for this generation).

        And what have we left for future generations? In addition to the cons, is there anything to answer?
        1. Konrad
          Konrad 1 December 2012 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: Konrad
          In addition to the minuses, there is something to answer?

          Except for the minuses, there is nothing to answer, so I'm right. Once again I will repeat a very apt Russian proverb: "We see a speck in someone else's eye, we don't notice a log in our own ..."
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 1 December 2012 23: 03
            +9
            - The Constitution of Russia guarantees freedom to every citizen of Russia !!!
            - Russian citizen?
            - Yes.
            - Free.
            laughing
          2. wax
            wax 2 December 2012 21: 31
            0
            Constitution of the Russian Federation:
            Article 17

            1. In the Russian Federation, human and civil rights and freedoms are recognized and guaranteed in accordance with generally accepted principles and norms of international law and in accordance with this Constitution.

            2. Fundamental human rights and freedoms are inalienable and belong to everyone from birth.

            3. The exercise of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen shall not violate the rights and freedoms of others. [
            1. Piligrim
              Piligrim 2 December 2012 21: 56
              -1
              Vax, have you violated your rights and freedoms on this site? Who exactly do you know (remember?) ?. Then go ahead, to the organs and to the court! The truth is on your side!
        2. Genera
          Genera 3 December 2012 06: 02
          0
          The main thing is they will not disassemble our city .... They themselves have disassembled, but the Europeans and the Americans have so much tossed that the next five generations in their shit. will swim.
          1. Konrad
            Konrad 3 December 2012 06: 48
            +1
            Quote: Genera
            Europeans with Americans have so much fallen for the next five generations in their shit. will swim.

            You remove the blinkers from your eyes, but look around !!!
    2. lotus04
      lotus04 1 December 2012 17: 56
      +5
      New EU plan


      Aha! It was also not enough to attend to the crisis in Europe, cry, worry. Yes, they went, gentlemen, "forest along the road." They themselves would, like Munchausen, pull themselves out of the "swamp" by the hair. More about them "head of pain".
      1. Konrad
        Konrad 1 December 2012 21: 45
        -8
        Quote: lotus04
        They themselves would, like Munchausen, pull themselves out of the "swamp" by the hair. More about them "head of pain

        "We see a speck in someone else's eye, we don't notice a log in our own ..."
        Russian proverb. Very accurate.
    3. alexng
      alexng 1 December 2012 17: 59
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      As long as you dance to the American tune and support the petrodollar in all sorts of "wars for democracy", you, gentlemen Europeans, will fail.


      In short, not a plan is obtained, but a big big jamb, i.e. Jamb on the jamb and therefore GEYROP.
      1. alexng
        alexng 1 December 2012 23: 11
        +2
        ABOUT! One gay man has already minusanul. wassat
        1. Konrad
          Konrad 3 December 2012 16: 48
          0
          Quote: alexneg

          ABOUT! One gay man is already minus

          I’m reading the comments and I don’t understand why so many people with non-traditional sexual orientation on the site come from? A normal man will not constantly use such words - "gayrope", "gayropeians", "tolerasty" and the like verbiage associated with homosexuality. The site seems to be "Military Review", but they are more interested in someone's ass than military topics. And now let's count, by the number of minuses, how many active propagandists of gomosyatina have wound up here.
  2. patriot2
    patriot2 1 December 2012 11: 17
    +7
    The financial system and economy of Europe is so many-stage and diverse - it differs in each country from another (Germany from Bulgaria, France from Romania, etc.) that there is no universal "cure" for the crisis, and there cannot be.
    The crisis of the Eurozone could pull Russia along with it, so we are simply obliged to prepare for it!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 1 December 2012 11: 39
      +7
      Our crisis begins when oil becomes cheaper, because we have a comprador economy - the economy of an oil pipe.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 1 December 2012 12: 24
        +6
        Quote: sergey261180

        Our crisis begins when oil becomes cheaper, because we have a comprador economy - the economy of an oil pipe.

        Oil prices are part of the problem, but traders and bankers in pursuit of profit can simply bring down the market in one day by nodding at oil prices. There is no government regulation and no order.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 1 December 2012 12: 27
          +3
          Yes, everything there collapses according to plan. There is an order. World order.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 1 December 2012 15: 26
            +2
            Quote: sergey261180
            Yes, everything is falling according to plan there.
      2. Nick
        Nick 2 December 2012 01: 54
        +3
        Quote: sergey261180
        we have a comprador economy - the oil pipe economy

        For a comprador economy, we sell them a little expensive oil, 22 $ more expensive than American ... To this, we can add that approximately 50% of the cost of oil sold is taken by the state, plus 30% oil tax. Although partly you're right, the oligarchs also have a lot left. In the United States, the state takes up to 70% of the cost of oil sold. Although, if we compare the Yeltsin times with the current, then progress is evident. Under Yeltsin, the state and 20 did not run% of the sale, and how under it the oligarchs paid taxes, you can ask Khodor ...
        1. mda
          mda 2 December 2012 09: 02
          0
          Quote: Nick
          Under Yeltsin, the state didn’t run up to 20% of the sale, but how can the oligarchs pay taxes under him? You can ask Khodor ...

          what 20%? Under Yeltsin, most of the oil went to the west, the rest to the oligarchs and the remnants of the state.
        2. YuDDP
          YuDDP 3 December 2012 00: 15
          -1
          look for the speeches of Deputy Fedorov about the Bank of Russia - it turns out that we are giving everything to the state, but not ours ... To the same states and geyrop
  3. 8 company
    8 company 1 December 2012 11: 39
    +8
    "And here we pay attention to a fundamental point: any unification must be built around the center of power. All world history confirms this thesis! "


    Yeah, confirms. In the USSR, everyone united around the RSFSR, and then certain political forces decided that Russia would do without other republics — that would be more profitable. And, in principle, they were right - today the standard of living in Russia is much higher than in the former suburbs. So ... At the center of power, moods and preferences can suddenly change. A little more and the European power centers - Germany and France - will send to the well-known address of everyone else. So much for the plan to overcome the crisis - it’s very simple, it’s just not for everyone.
    1. sevl
      sevl 1 December 2012 16: 36
      0
      I completely agree. The European Union will fall after America and the strong countries of Germany, England, France will unite if there is a big military conflict at that time, then the rest of Europe will be on the rights of slaves who do not have their own opinion, but in principle this is already the case, only there are a few strong countries.
    2. ozs
      ozs 1 December 2012 19: 26
      +4
      In the USSR, everyone united around the RSFSR, and then certain political forces decided that Russia would do without other republics — that would be more profitable. And, in principle, they were right - today the standard of living in Russia is much higher than in the former suburbs.

      Certain forces under the cover and patronage of the United States decided to cut the dough and engaged in fishing in troubled waters. And in the end, we lost the country, Russia is just a stub in comparison with the USSR.
      And not many began to live better, mainly those who had access to the resources of the USSR.
  4. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 1 December 2012 11: 44
    +8
    And we take an example from them ... this is idiocy. But although this is an opportunity - after the collapse of the Euro zone, America will follow it, this is a real chance for our country to regain its former power, of course we will be thrilled by the blow to the land of neighboring economies, but not will destroy it by the way, thank God we are not so closely connected with them and we have the opportunity to change the sales markets to Asian ones. Under the guise we will return the fraternal peoples to the bosom of the state, and if in the West they get into trouble then alas, they won’t be able to do it, NOT BEFORE THIS WILL.
    1. alexng
      alexng 1 December 2012 23: 23
      +4
      Quote: IlyaKuv
      we will return the fraternal peoples to the bosom of the state, and if in the West they too start to worry then alas, they will not be able to do anything


      Yes, even now they are no longer able to, just still some former republics hope that the West will pick them up. It is stupid and naive, since the West can only drive you into bondage and nothing more. But by and large, these "free" republics are no longer needed by anyone in the West. Now neither America nor Europe is up to them. They would have to get out on their own now, which is unlikely to succeed, they were too carried away by the unipolar world that they did not notice how the soil was gone from under their feet. We are now witnessing the last act in this performance. The denouement is already visible on the horizon.
  5. homosum20
    homosum20 1 December 2012 11: 46
    +4
    If the entire population of planet Earth has a standard of living for the average citizen of the European Union, the potential of 2,5 planets such as Earth will be needed to feed them. I wonder how in this situation we can get out of the crisis? Only by making the rest of the world's population poorer.
    By the way, the oddity with the USA is even more revealing. 5-6 earth-type planets are needed to provide the ball population with an average standard of living in the USA.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 1 December 2012 11: 57
      +2
      This is nonsense. If the inhabitants of "developing countries" are constantly starving, then why the fuck do they breed like cockroaches ?!
      1. rapid1934
        rapid1934 1 December 2012 15: 31
        +2
        And what else should they do when there is no work? request
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 1 December 2012 21: 52
        +4
        Quote: sergey261180
        what the fuck are they like cockroaches ?!

        They don't know how to do anything else, and most importantly, they don't want to! And the Russians, by habit, are all worried about their "brothers" in reason, who would be so worried about us!
      3. Poppy
        Poppy 3 December 2012 17: 44
        +1
        and they have no more entertainment
    2. Tatarus
      Tatarus 1 December 2012 16: 43
      +1
      The way out is simple. Reduce the world's population by the number of residents of the European Union and the United States.
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 1 December 2012 21: 44
        +3
        Quote: Tatarus
        The way out is simple. Reduce the world's population by the number of residents of the European Union and the United States.

        Good you, however! laughing
  6. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 12: 17
    +1
    Quote: sergey261180
    If the inhabitants of "developing countries" are constantly starving, then why the fuck do they breed like cockroaches ?!

    A rotting EU feeds them.
  7. anchonsha
    anchonsha 1 December 2012 12: 50
    +2
    Gloom is ahead for the EU. As it was created with a cry of cheers, it will break up. Although the United States will try to keep it. The EU finds that it is starting to intricately take back its colonies in Africa under the pretext of removing tyrannical regimes. Although real despotism is in the form of Qatar, the UAE is for some reason left by them. It is impossible to mold into one that does not mold - Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, the Baltic countries and Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.
  8. bubla5
    bubla5 1 December 2012 13: 00
    +1
    The EU and the eurozone will not and will not have a future; they will be driven into debt and forced to pay by natural resources, and some by territories
    1. mda
      mda 1 December 2012 15: 20
      -3
      Quote: bubla5
      The EU and the eurozone will not and will not have a future; they will be driven into debt and forced to pay by natural resources, and some by territories

      When the European Union dies with the United States, the whole planet will breathe a sigh of relief.
      1. Nymp
        Nymp 1 December 2012 17: 41
        0
        Quote: mda-a
        When the European Union dies with the United States, the whole planet will breathe a sigh of relief.
        I’m afraid that not all even in Russia there are many recruited and all grand-eaters who are yearning for a star-striped licked backside.
        1. mda
          mda 2 December 2012 09: 05
          -1
          Quote: Nymp
          I’m afraid that not all even in Russia there are many recruited and all grand-eaters who are yearning for a star-striped licked backside.

          I’m afraid when the European Union and the United States die, these grand-eaters will go to explore Siberia.
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 3 December 2012 07: 01
        +1
        Quote: mda-a
        When the European Union dies with the United States, the whole planet will breathe a sigh of relief.

        And to whom will we sell oil and gas ??? What kind of cones will we buy goods from the Chinese? Weave bast shoes, sow turnips!
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 3 December 2012 07: 16
          +1
          Quote: Konrad
          oil and gas to sell


          We’ll smoke gas, we’ll drink oil !!!

          ......................... If only you did not get it.
          1. Konrad
            Konrad 3 December 2012 16: 30
            -1
            Quote: Vanek
            If only you did not get it.

            Do not bite, so bite!
  9. bart74
    bart74 1 December 2012 13: 20
    +3
    A crisis is a normal state of the capitalist system. First they’ll do some kind of muini, they will collect loans for this. All this is beneficial to those who print and distribute this loot. These Khazyayevs will not miss their. Only a planned, socially-oriented economy can achieve stability. But the world today is struck not only by the general decline in morality, but also by the vice of CONSUMPTION.
    1. Konrad
      Konrad 3 December 2012 06: 57
      0
      [quote = bart74] Only a planned, socially-oriented economy can achieve stability.
      Have already passed. They loved to discuss the delights of the planned economy in the queues! Of course, not everyone caught it, and some have forgotten why it is common to idealize the "bright past", especially Muscovites.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 1 December 2012 13: 40
    +1
    At the moment, the crisis in the United States is the main task of economists. And Europe is heterogeneous economically and politically, and more than half of America is practically a vassal. And it turns out that without approval from Washington, not one program will work.
    1. mda
      mda 1 December 2012 15: 21
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      most of America’s almost vassals.

      not half but ALL US vassals
  11. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 14: 18
    +3
    Quote: bubla5
    The EU and the eurozone will not and will not have a future; they will be driven into debt and forced to pay by natural resources, and some by territories

    The eurozone has unclear prospects. The EU will survive. maybe in abbreviated form.
    1. WW3
      WW3 1 December 2012 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: ironman
      The EU will survive. maybe in abbreviated form.

      As for the EU, it is likely to survive, but the eurozone, which includes 17 EU countries (Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Slovakia, Estonia ) is very likely to fall apart, especially due to Greece and Spain.
  12. wown
    wown 1 December 2012 14: 24
    +2
    Greece has a national debt of 194% of GDP !!!!!!!!!! and their GDP is 350 billion euro rubles! guess yes !!!! how to save it will be ??? print paper again?
    1. MG42
      MG42 1 December 2012 15: 34
      +3
      Quote: wown
      how to save it will be ??? print paper again?

      Still write off. If Greece will implicitly dance to the tune of the Eurotroika (European Commission, European Central Bank (ECB) and the International Monetary Fund). Another thing is the Greeks themselves - a people with a character they are tired of the economy mode. The eurozone is bursting at the seams thanks to the Greek Trojan horse in particular.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 1 December 2012 16: 45
        +1
        It is necessary to call the Greeks in the customs union. Not the government, but the people.
        1. mda
          mda 2 December 2012 09: 07
          0
          Quote: Tatarus
          It is necessary to call the Greeks in the customs union. Not the government, but the people.

          they have one party there, which says that when they come to power they will leave the European Union and join the Eurasian Union.
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 1 December 2012 22: 12
        +6
        Quote: MG42
        Another thing is the Greeks themselves - a people with a character they are already tired of saving mode

        We must live within our means, and the Greeks want to live beautifully. A freebie ever ends. Most likely, they will partially write off debts, they will print the nat. currency and put into independent swimming, withdrawing from the European Union. Let them build their own happiness with their own hands.
        1. MG42
          MG42 1 December 2012 23: 19
          +2
          Quote: Konrad
          We must live within our means, and the Greeks want to live beautifully. A freebie ever ends.

          I agree, there were unreasonably high salaries in the public sector + many rich Greeks simply did not pay taxes.
          Quote: Konrad
          Most likely, their debts will be partially written off.

          I already wrote below that part of it has been written off, then it will be decided by the "Eurotree".
          Quote: Konrad
          print nat. currency and put into independent swimming, withdrawing from the European Union.

          Most likely they will return the old drachma, which the Greeks can calmly devalue.
          Quote: Konrad
          Let them build their own happiness with their own hands.

          Yes "+". Although they look nothing in the EU as a "Trojan horse".
  13. megatherion
    megatherion 1 December 2012 14: 49
    +2
    Well, yes, it’s really new, it’s not clear what kind of new plan they smoke there.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 1 December 2012 15: 30
      +5
      Quote: megatherion
      what new plan do they smoke there

      This is the plan for overcoming the crisis - to plant everything with a plan laughing The country of fools does not know grief ...
  14. Black
    Black 1 December 2012 15: 07
    +3
    "..... Of course, temporary agreements between capitalists and between powers are possible. In this sense, the United States of Europe is also possible, as an agreement of European capitalists ... about what? Only about how to jointly push socialism in Europe ... . "
    V.I. Lenin.
    I wonder what he would say now .....
  15. MG42
    MG42 1 December 2012 15: 29
    +5
    the creation of an additional cash fund for emergency assistance to countries in need. This will require additional deductions from the budgets of the EU member states. This stage should be completed in the next 6-18 months. The fund can be created as a "repayment fund" for countries whose public debt has exceeded 60% of GDP.

    Germany is a leader in the EU, but it is used as a cash cow, will its budget support sustained assistance to all troubled countries, because there are more of them, the 2nd wave overwhelmed the EU, the Greeks wrote off more than 100 billion euros and the sense of prolongation agony will default happen sooner or later in Greece? is the Spanish party playing out now? in Italy, debt is not weak, etc.
    1. haron
      haron 2 December 2012 09: 01
      0
      Quote: MG42
      Germany is a leader in the EU, but it is used as a cash cow, will its budget stand

      Well, the Germans are also not angels, they bend the rest of Europe, too, not weakly. There was an article in VO, that the Czechs bankrupted their production of ammunition and decided to buy in Germany. This is a trifle in comparison with larger projects of "centralization" of high-tech production.
  16. taseka
    taseka 1 December 2012 15: 57
    0
    The main thing here is that we should not be dragged into this stupid thing, namely our denyuzhki and you! Which we have on what to spend!
  17. sevl
    sevl 1 December 2012 16: 30
    +3
    Europe before America does not fall apart. America will fall first, then military conflicts in the Middle East will intensify, and only then will the European Union fall apart. Most likely he will organize himself in a new way, which will include countries with a strong economy.
  18. dirty trick
    dirty trick 1 December 2012 16: 41
    +1
    Quote: wown

    Greece has a national debt of 194% of GDP !!!!!!!!!! and their GDP is 350 billion euro rubles! guess yes !!!! how to save it will be ??? print paper again?


    that’s exactly what they will do. in the end, the West has only one reliable plan for all occasions - to turn on the printing press! and while we, and in other countries, will have people interested in buying unsecured candy wrappers - this plan will work !!! if you do not want to keep your savings in rubles - buy gold !!!
    1. sevl
      sevl 1 December 2012 16: 50
      0
      Better yet, capital investment is a village house. Potatoes can be eaten, and gold still needs to be exchanged for food.
  19. skeptic
    skeptic 1 December 2012 19: 33
    +4
    And all the same, the main reason is the collapse of the USSR. The owners of life no longer need to spend money on the "attractiveness" of the world of money. Now the WEST begins to move into the world of true CAPITALISM. A concrete example is the curtailment of all social programs, the buildup of means for suppressing protest outbursts. And this is just the beginning!
  20. toguns
    toguns 1 December 2012 21: 01
    +1
    everything in the case, the euro is bursting and there is nothing to support the level of well-being.
  21. Magadan
    Magadan 2 December 2012 04: 49
    +2
    Quote: Konrad
    Except for the minuses, there is nothing to answer, so I'm right. Once again I will repeat a very apt Russian proverb: "We see a speck in someone else's eye, we don't notice a log in our own ..."

    We will leave a third of the resources of the entire planet for 2% of the population of the entire planet. And also almost half of all arable land and drinking water. In addition, we will leave a wonderful geopolitical and geographical location. All this we will leave IF liberals do not pull everything. Liberasts are subordinate to the EU and the State Department. So our business is to stupidly defend ourselves. Protect your physical boundaries and spiritual values. We just need to keep the defense, painfully biting in response, if they touch us.
    Our ancestors have already done everything for us, the main thing is all this is not stupid about $$
    1. zadotov
      zadotov 2 December 2012 17: 12
      +2
      Many comments are full of gloating, that’s all, soon America and the European Union will end! Well, of course, there will be a LITTLE trio, but that’s it! Russian people didn’t endure for the sake of the world revolution. Let’s endure! splashing fountain. Why should we live better, learn from the bourgeoisie, let the European Union become impoverished then we will be kings. Or we have nothing to learn from them, we are the very ones, and they just overlaid the world with papers and live on the ridge of workers and peasants of Russia and other commodity countries. Of course, we are a little (Little!) Will shake, but there will be a chance to come forward --- There WILL NOT be any chance together we make up Western civilization where they go and we. But as we can see from the history of the 20th century, we are three times ten times stronger than them.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 2 December 2012 23: 42
        +1
        zadotov,
        Quote:
        Many comments are full of gloating

        Quote:
        we are three times ten times stronger than them

        I agree, but this fun is reminiscent of the joy of schoolchildren - "hurray, the teacher is sick!"
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 3 December 2012 00: 02
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          Quote: Old Rocketman
          this fun is reminiscent of the joy of schoolchildren

          The instinct of self-preservation simply works, because the "salvation" of Europe will not end well for us:
          “The European Union, under pressure from Berlin, which plays the first violin in it, is gradually but distinctly evolving into a European empire. Barroso, speaking in the European Parliament on September 12 this year, said something that until now they tried not to speak publicly:“ We will need to move towards federation European states. Today I am calling for a federation of national states. This is clearly not a federation, but a scheme for moving towards a totalitarian empire. European Commissioners have established control over air and sea transportation, gas transportation and are getting close to the railways, and on June 29 they passed a decision to subordinate all banks countries of the eurozone to the European Central Bank. In October, the European Commissioner for Internal Market and Services Michel Barnier announced that the European Central Bank should take control of all 2013 thousand banks in Europe, even small ones in 6. And this is the end of all sovereignty in the EU, since Mayer Rothschild was XVIII century said: “Give me the right to issue and control the money of the country, and I will absolutely not care who publishes Laws! ”In unison with Barroso, but not so vaguely, Chancellor Angela Merkel made a speech to the European Parliament on November 7 calling for a complete merger of finances and management of the EU economy in the hands of the European Commission, behind which it is not difficult to see the shadow of Berlin. According to Merkel, after that the crisis will leave Europe, but the belts will have to be tightened and become punctual in German. Merkel's speech in the European Parliament is a touchstone before the EU budget summit, scheduled for December 8 this year, where the German chancellor will have to face face to face Cameron and the northeastern Eurosceptics, as well as the Greeks and other irritated southern Europeans. If Merkel's budget plan does not pass, then this will become not only a personal fiasco for the Chancellor, but also for the entire "Prussian path" of building the European Empire. "http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2012/12/02/evrosouz-ot-svjaschennoj-imperii-k-im
          perii-newjshej.html
          So, to be glad that the "Fourth Reich" is planned?
    2. Konrad
      Konrad 3 December 2012 06: 34
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      Our ancestors have already done everything for us, the main thing is all this is not stupid about $$

      Resources we got, let's say, from God. The ancestors, as you say, have already done everything. So what do we leave all the same ??? What to be proud of ???