Construction of several new radars will begin in Russia in 2013

RIA News. Construction of several new generation radar stations will begin in Russia in 2013, representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the Air and Space Defense Forces, Colonel Alexei Zolotukhin, told reporters on Saturday.

VVKO is a new branch of the Armed Forces (AF) of the Russian Federation, which was formed in 2011 by decision of the President of Russia. Exactly a year ago, 1 December 2011 of the year, the first duty shift of the command post of VVKO was on duty.

"Next year, in several regions of Russia, it is planned to begin construction of several more radar stations of high factory readiness," said Zolotukhin.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense reported that a new generation of radar stations is being considered in Pechora (Komi Republic), Barnaul (Altai Krai), Yeniseisk (Krasnoyarsk Krai) and Olenegorsk (Murmansk region).

At the moment, the Voronezh radar station is on duty in Lekhtusi (Leningrad region), on test combat duty in the city of Pionersky of the Kaliningrad region and in the village of Usolye-Sibirskoe in the Irkutsk region.

Zolotukhin said that in 2013, the development of a missile attack warning system will also continue.

"In the first quarter of 2013, another new-generation Voronezh radar, based on high factory readiness technology (VZG) in the Krasnodar Territory, will take over combat duty. In the Irkutsk Region, the construction of the second phase of the Voronezh-M radar will be completed, after which “This station will be in full combat duty. It will continue to carry out operational combat duty of the VZG radar in the Kaliningrad region,” added Zolotukhin.

The creation of a network of radar facilities of the SPRN will allow the provision of full radar monitoring of all strategic missile-prone areas from the territory of the Russian Federation with the required temporary indicators of a nuclear missile warning.

In October, a representative of the RTI holding (building including radar stations for the East Kazakhstani Armed Forces) reported that enterprises are soon planning to begin production of new radars that will "cover" Russia from nuclear missile danger in the southern and northern strategic areas.

Comments

[Zomanus]

Great news. And how will these stations be protected?

[gispanec]

stations will not be protected by anything ...... they don’t need it .... the function is not that ....

[Andrey_K]

Quote: gispanec

stations will not be protected by anything ...... they don’t need it .... the function is not that ....

But in vain - such stations themselves could strike ... with electromagnetic pulses.
Burn all the rocket electronics - and it won’t get anywhere.

[Nagaibak]

Andrey_K "strike with ... electromagnetic impulses. Burn all the electronics of the rocket - and it will not get anywhere." Ha! While actively moving in the air!

[Andrey_K]

So what?
I did not understand this "Ha!"
And what are these cons?
Actually, this makes me neither cold nor hot, but the torment of the unknown is worse than this "general condemnation" - curiosity gnaws at me - what do people want to say by this?
Either I betrayed some kind of state secret, or simply a petty dirty trick?
That's a mystery ...

[Tjumenec72]

It’s just that you don’t fully imagine the physics of this process ...
And your proposal is more like "Star Wars".
To incapacitate missiles (at a safe distance) much more energy is needed than for detection.

[Andrey_K]

What makes you think that I "do not fully represent the physics of this process"?
Did someone try to object something about physics?
Maybe you can’t imagine the physics of the process?
Well, what kind of "super energies" are needed to disable electronics?
Such radars can not only track several targets at the same time, but also create a radiation pattern of any shape - including, they can concentrate all the radiation to a point.
You can evaluate the degree of impact - take the power consumption of the station - figure out the losses and efficiency and all the remaining energy goes to heat the electronics of the target.
Here, not only all electrical circuits should burn out, but simply the body will melt.
But even if the case does not melt (although put your mobile phone in the microwave and put it on - melt or not, and the station will have more microwave power).
Therefore, such stations, which themselves do not know how to attack the target, I associate with the tank ... without a gun.
Well, the designers didn’t guess how to put the gun on the tank and use it as a reconnaissance vehicle.

[Tjumenec72]

If it were possible, they would have done so - not stupid people go and design)

[Andrey_K]

Many obvious things were not done in due time due to the fact that it did not occur to us on time.
I can't believe that, for example, a Su-35 with its "scanty" installation can conduct electronic warfare, suppress and jam something there ... but such a "fool" cannot.
But it is not comparable in terms of area and power.

[nabludatel_56]

Quote: Andrey_K

You can evaluate the degree of impact - take the power consumption of the station - figure out the losses and efficiency and all the remaining energy goes to heat the electronics of the target.

In vain do you insist so vigorously on your ignorance.
The power consumed by the station, and the ability of the transmitter are completely different values. In addition to KND (not efficiency), it is also necessary to take into account the signal structure, for example, duty cycle, but the main thing is not even that. The main thing is that these stations are designed to perform other tasks - tasks of early detection, and not to satisfy your fantasies.

[Andrey_K]

I know what they are designed for.
Duty does not affect the overall power in any way - from the rearrangement of the places of the terms the sum does not change - in what portions do not transmit, but how much is emitted - so much is emitted.
And the signal power is directly dependent on the power of the transmitter - all that will not be emitted - will be used to heat the wires.
Take any efficiency (for example, 10% for the holey installation itself) and calm down - how not to dodge, and even more you will not be able to lower the signal power.
And you did not say a single clever thought - why such an antenna cannot burn aircraft electronics.
(if, of course, adapt it for this)
As you come up with an answer ("why"), then object.

[alexng]

And they are protected from missiles medium and short range, i.e. from missiles in the last section of the flight of the warhead, if missile defense missed, which is unlikely.

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: Zomanus

Great news. And how will these stations be protected?

You know the answer and ask ... That is why all strategically important objects are protected.

[Windbreak]

retaliatory nuclear strike

[ShturmKGB]

In the Altai Territory, against China? It's good...

[Windbreak]

cons put those who do not know what is SPRN?

[11 black]

Quote: Zomanus

Great news. And how will these stations be protected?

Well, there are a lot of options and everything starts with the letter "C" for example

[Net]

In theory, if there is an attack on the SPRN, then this is an occasion to launch nuclear weapons.

[nabludatel_56]

That is a good question. During the construction of the IHEC, a global systemic error was made - they began to build it on the basis of the space forces, which are engaged in the observation, warning and creation of a space constellation (which has as many as three satellites). Therefore, the command of the created VVKO does not have a systemic idea of ​​defense and armed struggle - they are observers. It would be more correct to build on the basis of air defense, but people who are not familiar with the subject of activity have long been making decisions for us. The point is not even that it is necessary to organize an air defense cover for these stations (this issue will probably be solved), the main thing is what to do with the discovered targets in the absence of means for their destruction in the VVKO?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Zomanus

Great news. And how will these stations be protected?

S-400!

[david210512]

Zomanus, shell c1. s-300 s 400

[anchonsha]

That's right, you need to protect all regions of Russia from a cancer attack and make it clear to the Amers. At the same time, it is necessary to break ahead in creating artillery shells with a greater probability of penetrating through any missile defense system of the United States and Small Britain.

[bremest]

Yuska crap and crap, agreed with the barbarians so that the radars of Russia located in the post-Soviet space were closed, and our engineers gave a good and not expensive answer. Now the radar is even bigger. Well done!

[enkor]

So we must Yusos express our sincere condolences ...

[DimYang]

Protection is good. But you know what the best defense. It is necessary to withdraw strike weapons into space. And "poop" on all kinds of contracts. Do not conclude onerous new ones. And most importantly, they are not afraid to apply it, apply it first and so that no one has any doubts that their lives are not worth a penny, well, after that they determine who how to live and how much they should allow to reproduce.

[Tjumenec72]

Oga, and give occasion to the Polasata to bring many times more into orbit ...

[DimYang]

If you talk like that, then you can immediately give up.

[gen.meleshkin]

This is really good news.

[VadimSt]

A good answer to both internal skeptics and external "well-wishers"!

[omsbon]

Good news!
That sounds great Aerospace Defense Forces. VVKO.
We all hope this is not the last good news to improve our defense.

[Ascetic]

All intelligence systems existing today can issue a warning about a missile attack in advance, presumably with insufficient warning time and accuracy. The last crucial, irrefutable information will belong to the SPRN. Only at any time, with the accuracy of seconds, in full, with absolute certainty, in real time, can provide top management data for decision-making. Therefore, so much attention is paid to the modernization and development of this system.

"Attention! Start! Missile attack !!! " - a similar warning signal (accompanied by a sharp unpleasant even heartbreaking sound)
with KP SPRN only to top government
in peacetime upon detection of a single-use missile defense (terrorist, provocative, unauthorized) or group missile strike on the territory of Russia with a time sufficient to repel it with anti-missile defense and determine the aggressor to take action appropriate to it;
in a local war using conventional means defeat, the issuance by the system of these words will mean that the enemy has switched to the use of BR. The system detected launches and reliably determined the number of missiles on its trajectories and objects of destruction. In its scale, the leadership will decide on our retaliatory strike and its level.
An extreme situation is also possible when, in a war using conventional means of destruction, the enemy, having not achieved his military-political goals, will decide delivering a massive nuclear missile strike across Russia, which is most likely to be opened by the PRN system with the timely issuance of an alert.
If such a moment comes one day, the leadership of our country on this information will be forced to take the last and only possible solution in this situation - strike back with their strategic nuclear forces.
Here is e6 if briefly for the CTU need a PRN system

[Ascetic]

The military-political leadership should be guided by a certain time frame for deciding on the response, therefore, the more reliable and efficient the equipment and the skill of calculation, the more time the leadership remains for reflection and the less likely the unjustified decisions and threats of the NRS. For each even unbelievable case, their own standards are developed based on the possible actions of the enemy. For example, for launches from nuclear submarines or missiles near the territory of Russia or launches from the territory of a likely adversary, the standards and procedures are different. If you take a certain averaged situation, then APPROXIMATELY it will look like this
5 minutes to activate the early warning system (SPRN)
5 minutes for analysis and assessment by combat crews of the reliability of information received from the SPRN and a report to the highest official of the state - the President
10 minutes for the President’s consultations with the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense
5 minutes for the President to give the command to retaliate (and to conduct it
Reliability of functioning of SPRN and high reliability issued alerts are being reached two-echelon structure SPRN, the mutual overlap of the viewing areas of over-the-horizon radars, duplication of data transmission channels and power lines with their spacing across the country, threefold redundancy of the main hardware systems. Finally, in the SPRN, two command posts operate simultaneously, which simultaneously, according to the same combat programs, process space and radar information received from all means. And in case of failure of one command post, the second automatically instantly starts transmitting warning information to consumers. Also, backups of the main equipment complexes, data transmission channels, power supply lines or the inclusion of autonomous power sources at the command and control points of the SPRN automatically occur.
The combat mission is carried out by the warning system on its own during automatic interaction with the control system of outer space and missile defense. All the components that make up the SPRN perform a combat mission in automatic mode in real time. This is achieved by the functioning of all the system’s tools in a single time cycle, according to the agreed combat programs embedded in the central and peripheral computers connected by data transmission systems. Also, in automatic mode, warning information is transmitted to notified command posts and personal portable notification boards of senior government officials.

[sprut]

2013? This is encouraging. Anyway, better than 2018 or 2022 ...

[Retx]

"Izvestia" say in 2013 the troops will have a more terrible thing than these radars

The Ministry of Defense is finalizing the coordination of technical documentation and the amount of financing for the project of a multi-position reconnaissance and information system (MRIS). A source in the military department told Izvestia that the implementation of MRIS will begin at the end of next year.

- The system is able to detect and track aircraft and ships at a distance of several thousand kilometers. Over long distances, our “all-seeing eye" is much more effective than the existing air, space, radar reconnaissance, ”said the representative of the Ministry of Defense.

Technical characteristics of the miracle system remain secret. But the interlocutor of Izvestia shared some basic principles of her work.

- All civilian and military installations on the ground and in the air have several systems that emit radio waves. These are radar stations (GPS), GPS and GLONASS navigation communication systems, radio altimeters, etc. The plane also emits thermal and other energies. Even the American B-2 and F-22, hardly noticeable for radars, can not escape physical laws. The task of MRIS is to find this radiation in space, give exact coordinates and track the movement, he said.

According to him, MRIS at the current stage is already capable of tracking and classifying several types of radiation. Perhaps the range of action of the "all-seeing eye" will expand, and it will be able to control movement and ground equipment.

“Since MRIS is just listening to space, there is no radiation, which means that the enemy does not know that they found it,” the representative of the Ministry of Defense added.

To place MRIS elements, a platform of several tens of square meters under the antenna is required. The position of the system, according to the interlocutor, is practically invisible to air and space reconnaissance.

- The first tests of the complex took place in 2009. Then we trained on planes and ships of the Russian Navy. A position post located in the suburbs of Moscow discovered and tracked various types of aircraft over the Barents Sea. Combining the real course of the aircraft and its route on the indicators, MRIS revealed deviations of only a few meters, the officer said.

A similar project has been implemented by British Aerospace (BAE) Systems for several years. Its NAVSOP technology is classified as seriously as the Russian MRIS, and the fact of development became known only in August this year. The British officially acknowledged in a press release that traditional technology (meaning GPS) is not always effective, which "proved the latest incidents at the borders with North Korea" when South Korean air defense systems did not notice North Korean missiles.

NAVSOP is a comprehensive solution, BAE points out, and includes tracking radiation from cell towers, Wi-Fi access points, radio tower towers, television antennas, and virtually all radio sources.

According to British developers, this technology will only be used on military equipment. But MRIS has a dual purpose.

Director of the Institute for Strategic Assessments Alexander Konovalov told Izvestia that there is a real failure in Russia in intelligence and information exchange systems.

- If MRIS can give target designation to high-precision weapons with a high degree of certainty, this will open up great opportunities to destroy the enemy in all regions of the globe. In his opinion, the "all-seeing eye" must be included in all intelligence and information systems that exist or will be created in Russia.



Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/540389#ixzz2DxroBP8K

[dirty trick]

big greetings to amateurs to show Russia unrealistic rent amounts for the objects built by Russia!

[plotnikov561956]

Quote: dirty trick

big greetings to amateurs to show Russia unrealistic rent amounts for the objects built by Russia!

The amount of $ 300 million demanded by Azerbaijan is commensurate with the cost of the new radar station .... the cost of Voronezh is $ 500 million ... it is necessary to take into account the cost reduction in serial production. In the future

[plotnikov561956]

error in mathematics -1,5 billion rubles .. i.e. $ 50 million The cost of a new station

[Karish]

Quote: plotnikov561956

error in mathematics -1,5 billion rubles .. i.e. $ 50 million The cost of a new station

No mistake (I think more than 1.5 km bucks). In 1987, I (as a young engineer) was sent from Spetselektromontazhea -76 to the village of Gantsevichi, where a radar (Volga system) was built.
He worked there (on a business trip) for half a year. The station (more precisely, 2 of those buildings is of enormous size. Only energy facilities had 24 substations in each building. So at that time the construction of the entire complex + town for the military at the prices of 1987 was worth it. As if to build a city with 100t. Population from scratch. Including gardens, schools, etc.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense reported that a new generation of radar stations is being considered in Pechora (Komi Republic), Barnaul (Altai Krai), Yeniseisk (Krasnoyarsk Krai) and Olenegorsk (Murmansk region).

In all these places, there are already Space Surveillance stations and over-the-horizon radars. Personally, I was in Pechory, in Barnaul and Olenegorsk I built SPEM-76,. In the Krasnoyarsk Territory there is a conserved surrender since the late 80s

[Thunderbolt]

such a job ...

[toguns]

everything is correct, it is necessary to close all directions from our friends with radar regiments in 2-3 echelons and force the regiments about and air defense.

[sams]

it is necessary to make Russians masters of their land ...... and then everything else ...

[dojjdik]

well, it’s better and much more than throwing billions at aircraft carriers; and our fleet was famous for submariners; almost all air defense systems are much cheaper than this AUG; and missile defense systems are simply necessary

[sams]

This news makes me happy.
Just at what cost?


From any radar, if it is not protected, there is no use.
This is loot for loyal people (who lack).

[rate]

And will they see drones?

[Rossmk]

But has it not been previously reported that all dangerous directions are already being viewed by stations?

[nabludatel_56]

Quote: RossMK

But has it not been previously reported that all dangerous directions are already being viewed by stations?

By whom and when? Of course not. Such a statement can be made either by an irresponsible person or who does not know anything about the subject of conversation.

[d.gksueyjd]

The radar is a necessary mechanism for early warning of an attack and is also in demand in the national economy. Less than 20 years later, the Ministry of Defense realized the need to deploy new radars. This is most likely due to the resignation of the "smartest" Mo Serdyukov and the arrival in the Defense Ministry of real military knowledge that the Defense Ministry serves to protect the country's defense.

Damned bloody gebe! Ruined the whole army!