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Labor migration in the life of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan

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In November, the World Bank published data on the share of remittances from labor migrants in the gross domestic product of developing countries. It turns out that Tajikistan ranks first in the world in terms of this indicator, 47% of which is provided by migrant migrants. In absolute terms, Tajik labor migrants transferred more than 2011 billion dollars to their homeland in 3. Over time, this figure increases both in absolute and relative terms. Thus, in 2008, the volume of remittances from Russia to Tajikistan was 2,5 billion, and its share in GDP was 45%. It turns out that one of the poorest republics of the former USSR can exist only in a kind of symbiosis with the Russian Federation. A full or partial cessation of remittances from the Russian Federation in an overpopulated country unable to feed its population would lead to economic collapse and social upheaval.

Kyrgyzstan remittances of labor migrants provide more than a quarter of GDP (29%) ... From the countries of Central Asia, Uzbekistan ranks last on this list, it is among the top ten in terms of the ratio of remittances to GDP. Compared with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan has a much larger territory, population, natural resources, including oil and gas, as well as a relatively developed economy. In the pre-crisis period, the share of remittances from labor migrants accounted for about 1 / 5 of its GDP. At the same time, Uzbekistan is confidently in first place in Central Asia in the absolute number of migrant workers working in Russia.

To work in Russia, the indigenous people of Central Asia are not traveling from a good life. And the point is not only that the salary in the countries of this region is much lower than in the Russian Federation. Under the conditions of agrarian overpopulation and the shortage of land and water resources, the Central Asian countries simply cannot feed their population. In recent years, the shortage of land, water, and food resources has been aggravated by a progressive increase in prices. According to the Ferghana.ru website, in July-September of this year, the average retail price increase for flour in rural areas of Kyrgyzstan was 47%, and in cities - 36%. The republic could only provide itself with grain this year by 40%. But if last year Kyrgyzstan bought it in Kazakhstan at 150 dollars per ton, then this year - at 340 dollars. At the same time, flour is the main food product of low-income families, which make up the majority of the population of Kyrgyzstan. In remote regions, such as Naryn oblast, people often live in poverty, not having a normal job, and due to climatic conditions, and opportunities to provide family with products at the expense of personal subsidiary farming.

Labor market conditions in Russia are much more attractive for labor migrants than at home. The average salary in Kyrgyzstan is about 140 dollars, while in the Russian Federation unskilled Kyrgyz workers can earn 300-400 dollars, and skilled workers up to 1 thousand dollars per month. The outflow of labor migrants to Russia, the majority of which (70-80%) is youth, has led to a shortage of qualified personnel in Kyrgyzstan itself. The republic lacks specialists in the printing, construction, apparel and information technology industries. The internal socio-economic problems of Kyrgyzstan, which create high tensions in the labor market, are largely solved by exporting labor to the Russian Federation, and the conditions for changing this situation are not yet visible. In addition to Russia, Kyrgyzstan only has an agreement on legal labor migration with South Korea. The flow of labor migrants to other countries is small and illegal.

The situation is similar in Tajikistan. The annual increase in labor in the republic is about 100 thousand people. About a million citizens of the republic are working abroad, and 97% of them work in the Russian Federation. According to the International Labor Organization, 3 / 4 Tajik migrants work in construction, more than 100 thousand work in industry and agriculture, about 70 thousand work in trade and almost as much in housing and utilities. About half of all migrants have no specialty, moreover, 11% have a higher education. Attempts to diversify this migration flow have so far not been successful.

In 2009, the Tajik authorities negotiated labor migration with Saudi Arabia, but this kingdom agreed to accept only 20 thousand people. At the same time, there are stricter requirements for labor migrants than in Russia: they must be proficient in Arabic and have a working specialty in demand in the market. According to experts, differences in the ethnic composition of the population, cultural and religious stereotypes can also have a negative impact on labor migration to Saudi Arabia. Unlike Russia, there are no Tajik communities in the Saudi kingdom, the population was not brought up within the framework of a single labor culture, as it was in the USSR, and Islam, which is the state religion, belongs to the Hanbalite and not the Hanafi trend that is widespread in Central Asia. In addition, the Tajik authorities were eyeing the labor market in Eastern Europe. However, there also exists a language barrier and qualification requirements that do not allow counting on the massive involvement of migrant workers.
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  1. bask
    bask 1 December 2012 09: 40
    +18
    LABOR MIGRATION AND SR. ASIA. IT IS NECESSARY TO SHARPLY LIMIT. And introduce a visa regime with all Central Asian republics ...
    1. YARY
      YARY 1 December 2012 09: 50
      +12
      Hai do cotton and grapes with melons and buy from them!
      And they completely wrote their hands and theirs !!!
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 1 December 2012 11: 03
      +7
      Anecdote from the 90s. The president of one of the countries of Central Asia reflects: "Golden hands have gone to Russia, golden heads have gone to Israel, what can I do with you, golden teeth."
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 1 December 2012 11: 24
      +9
      Quote: bask
      LABOR MIGRATION AND SR. ASIA. IT IS NECESSARY TO SHARPLY LIMIT.

      Not to limit, but to stop. I have spoken about this more than once. We can’t deal with those who are present now. We won’t solve this problem until we change the system in the country. Initially, power based on deception and theft is not able to solve the problems of building and developing the state .
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 11: 48
        -1
        no matter what system comes to power, all one is all prerequisites for reunification. migration can be stopped, but who will benefit from this? on the scale of one republic, back and forth, maybe someone will win the thread, but on the scale of a strong state? change of power = destabilization of the situation in the country. military communism, surplus appraisal and other delights Russia has already passed. any revolution, instead of booming, will take the country into even greater decline. you don’t have to go far for examples. not in vain p.i.nd.do.s.s. they like to arrange revolutions in countries that are not pleasing to them. but the consistent restoration of their former power is hardly to their taste. it is not for nothing that they in the Eurasian Union see a threat to their interests.
        we do not need to change the power, but our attitude to the problem. The thought that we are sovereign was put into us very deeply! from whom? all the peoples of the USSR have lived in close proximity to each other for a single century. hence the migration to Russia, and not to Turkey, for example. here is the call "proletarians of all countries unite" is very suitable for the present moment. It is those who work in Russia now (at least the majority) will stand for reunification. You just have to look at them less, as is customary in our country. teach them to live in a common state, and not reject them. and of course, there must be a clear law on migration. so that everyone is equal before its letter. only by reuniting Russia will solve the problem of migration. You can easily go to your own home for earning money.)
      2. bask
        bask 1 December 2012 11: 49
        +8
        I agree baltika / .. An economy built on the sale of raw materials., This is the most notable court-oligarchic capitalism. Yes, this only leads to the degradation of the state and the impoverishment of the vast majority of the population ,,,
        1. survivor
          survivor 1 December 2012 12: 09
          +1
          any capitalism leads to the impoverishment of the overwhelming majority of the population. and in any country. the conclusion suggests itself. Someone goes to Russia, because in Russia, by the standards of their republic, you can earn money. Someone travels from Russia abroad, because he believes that in Russia, by the standards of Russia, there is no work and earnings. The process is constant. I knew Rostovites who did not want to work on construction sites and in the housing sector when they ceased to provide housing. at the same time, people were educated, so-so, but they consoled themselves with the thought of their genius. I also knew nonresident, Taganrozh, Aksay, Batay, and Azov residents traveling to construction sites in Rostov such "diamonds in the dust." Rostovites were very contemptuous of them, at first. here is a small model of Russia in the person of one city. And so it happened, Rostovites are looking for a job that is well-paid and not dusty, and the entire population of the Rostov region works on construction sites and ancillary work. and everywhere in Russia
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 1 December 2012 13: 02
            +7
            Quote: survivor
            any capitalism leads to the impoverishment of the vast majority of the population. and in any country.

            I’m not going to live under capitalism. Capitalism is a dead end branch of the development of civilization, from which there are two ways out: either a military conflict with a fall in living standards, loss of part of the population and subsequent restoration to the previous level, and then again in the same scenario, even if it could be a higher level, or a change in the social system with the reform of the economy and the work of the state machine for the people, and not against it.
            1. survivor
              survivor 1 December 2012 13: 12
              0
              You are not going, but live. it’s not a matter of which system you are comfortable with living in, but of which system exists in the country where you have the honor of living. any attempts at reorganization will only lead to another revolution. what they end with, I think, no need to explain. we got what we were striving for. From which we rejected the best in the world — our state. what is happening now, our pay for our sins. Desired the best, get it, sign it. no, it’s time to collect stones, to scatter is simply not what!
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 12: 52
              -1
              Quote: baltika-18
              I am not going to

              so do it who does not give you.
              as a rule, it’s problematic to simply collect signatures under a collective demand, not to mention running around, but what’s most interesting is when you start to get something, and when you moo in the kitchen, that’s all
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 12: 49
        -1
        Quote: baltika-18
        Power initially based on deception and theft is not able to solve the problems of building and developing the state.

        for the most part, we don’t want her to decide something, it’s easier for us to go out in the kitchen or in the net, but we won’t hit finger to finger in order to do something
    4. homeland
      homeland 1 December 2012 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: bask
      bask (2) Today, 09:40 3 
      LABOR MIGRATION AND SR. ASIA. IT IS NECESSARY TO SHARPLY LIMIT. And introduce a visa regime with all Central Asian republics ...


      I don’t know how in other regions, but in Krasnoyarsk, both in my high-rise building and in my colleagues from work, janitors and cleaners come from Central Asia, with families as a whole, and why, because the locals will never go to such work because of the extremely low salaries, and if they also restrict entry to the territory of the Russian Federation, I can’t imagine what will happen on the street, most likely the streets and houses will be swallowed up by dirt. Because you go by car - everything flies from the windows - from paper and cigarettes, ending with bottles. We need to start with ourselves - to teach children from childhood. You walk in the spring near the house, so much debris thrown out of the window, the melted snow opens up - Mama Do not Cry.

      Near the house there are several vegetable stalls of Tajiks, Uzbeks, and to which I am sincerely glad, since their goods are much better than in the nearest supermarkets.

      Of course, the problem must be solved, but the approach must be very thought out and calculated. It’s full of hands, but not everyone wants to work for that kind of money !!!
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 13: 16
        +1
        it was on this rake that all those who drove Russians from national republics stepped on. a huge shortage of workers and a complete collapse of the economy. So it was in Chechnya! the workers were expelled, but they themselves did not learn how to work! all of today's collapse precisely because of this.
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 2 December 2012 17: 00
        +3
        Quote: vatan
        Central Asian immigrants work as janitors and cleaners, with families as a whole, and why, because the locals will never go to such work because of the extremely low salaries,

        Ours is not profitable to hire, ours needs to pay a legal salary, and migrants are paid by a manager, and therefore the size of the salary depends on the appetite of the employer and manager. The scheme has long been known to everyone.
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 11: 28
      -1
      for this you need to display ALL Russian
    6. donchepano
      donchepano 3 December 2012 10: 30
      +2
      labor "demographic" migration - looks like a sabotage against the Russian people
  2. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 1 December 2012 09: 43
    +8
    Well, again, RUSSIA must feed its neighbors, their rulers openly spit in our backs.
    1. itr
      itr 1 December 2012 10: 41
      +6
      Lech e-mine! You're completely wrong people earned money in Russia and what earned sent home. What's bad about it ????
      They do not work in our government like that!
      Who is sitting here, wants to take a crowbar or a trowel with a trowel ????? Let them work! It just needs to be encouraged. And we are encouraged completely different. According to Darwin's theory, labor made a man out of a monkey. And now in Russia, the Russians themselves want to work, at best, as managers
      1. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 2 December 2012 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: itr
        You are completely wrong. People earned money in Russia and that they earned they sent it home. What's bad about it

        And the fact that nothing is received from these money in the treasury in the form of taxes, those five percent for the transfer? In short, judging by the latest publications on this topic, I understood one thing: we, the public opinion, are preparing for the next surprise, which is not popular in advance, either the law or the government’s decree.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 17: 55
          -4
          Quote: olegyurjewitch
          And the fact that nothing comes from these money in the form of taxes to the treasury

          Why is that?!!!!!
        2. itr
          itr 3 December 2012 04: 59
          +1
          Are you reporting to the tax yourself for wages ??
          the employer must report for their money
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      RUSSIA must feed the neighbors

      let's leave these nonsense about feeding, one fool stupidly took part of the numbers and showed everyone, and now we all repeat in unison without thinking about the nuances
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 13
        0
        [hide] [/ hide] and if not stupidly minus, but argue?
        or the brain is not imprisoned for this, only can we repeat like other people's nonsense?
  3. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 10: 24
    +17
    yeah, when all these republics were separated so as not to feed Miskva, sirech, Russia. well, history, the evil grandmother put everything in its place. Now they cannot feed themselves either. why? yes, because it was Russia that provided these republics with a solid sale of what they could offer, and also provided them with tools, medicines, scientific personnel, and much more. now, free ... from whom is it true? they don’t feed anyone .... even themselves.
    1. alexng
      alexng 1 December 2012 12: 32
      +9
      Quote: survivor
      now, free ... from whom is it true?


      Yes, in most of the former Soviet republics, they stupidly do not want to admit that freedom in nature does not exist. And the right question is: freedom from what? From needs? From food? From the opportunity to live "full length"? So Russia answered them "You are free" and claims are no longer accepted. If you are free, then solve your own problems, and do not blame your neighbors. This comment is for those who are free from Russia, but heavily dependent on amerikosov and from the West, which does not need them in FIG.
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 12: 55
        +4
        slaves have not been canceled yet, again, there are uranium mines and other "hot spots" where it is not kosher for a gay European to work himself. From was right in his work "Escape from Freedom" everyone demands freedom, but having received it, they do not know how to dispose of it and begin to hastily look for someone to hand it over. The process of destruction was beneficial only to the top. It is more profitable for ordinary people to live in a herd, because it is easier to beat a herd and dad (Lukoshenko's supporters and opponents do not get excited by this phrase))) while Russia somehow very interestingly enslaved everyone. it seems to be parabotizing, but ... he builds hospitals, opens schools, instincts-academies. just the same, breaking hands at the root, implants education and health care. protects from the external, and most importantly, from the internal enemy .... prevents from falling apart into a primitive system, in a word. that I do not mention in the press a single report that American troops helped build schools and open hospitals in the same Iraq or Afghanistan. or the same small British. maybe I'm wrong? please correct.
      2. YARY
        YARY 1 December 2012 17: 14
        +7
        Appsalyutna trakhe !!!
        Alexander light Ivanovich !!!
        And what kind of joy for us at the threshold? And she dived into the house!
        Some here about wipers and stalls, but when revenge and rowing will not be idiots of visitors, then the salary will have to be raised-!!!! And not tokma to the janitor, but to a bricklayer and concrete worker, plasterer and turner.
        Janitor in the USSR received 132 rubles + apartment!
        Fitter-205rub + premium
        Plumber - from 150rub
        Electrician - from 130 and class
        The current salaries are not justified by anything except the employer's desire to "save" on them in his pocket!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 03
          0
          Do you agree that a university graduate received from 120?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 00
      -3
      Quote: survivor
      ha, when all these republics were separated so as not to feed Miskva, sirech, Russia

      before you write nonsense to write nonsense, it’s not they who separated it, the EBN separated them, they were undoubtedly happy, since the secretaries immediately became shahs sultans, etc., but forgive me if such a blessing fell on my head not to use it
      Quote: survivor
      Yes, because it was Russia that provided these republics with a solid sale of what they can offer

      Do you think that the Uzbeks will not sell their cotton?
      and Kazakhs oil tobacco and uranium?
      in addition, you sometimes need to think more not only about money, you are generally alive only because the Union had SA in its composition
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 15: 39
        0
        forgive me the moderators, well, what a moron minus set about the salaries of ITRites ?!

        what is wrong about Kazakhstan tobacco, Turkmen gas or Uzbek cotton, or maybe after all these parasites were separated, Russia rushed forward so that we are now growing roses on Mars.

        with this fucking section, we ALL have lost at least 40-50 years and from the fact that minus it or not it will not change anything, it seems that everyone forgets a simple parable that has already gotten sore on a bunch of bars
        1. olegyurjewitch
          olegyurjewitch 2 December 2012 17: 15
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

          Vasilenko Vladimir

          Something there is higher about history. All republics in the USSR lived off state data, this was to a lesser extent the RSFSR, to which these subsidies had never been allocated.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 17: 57
            -1
            I repeat once again not all the pluses can be measured in money, I'm sorry, I’ll answer more extensively later. It’s time to drive the cattle from the pasture
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 18: 54
              0
              extremely interesting, which moron just walked and put the cons, absolutely on all my statements? !!!
              Apparently this is an absolutely stupid creature that can only squabble, but is not able to correctly and reasonably thaw its position.
              there isn’t enough courage to argue publicly write in a personal message, or is there no time for this too ?!
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 20: 04
                0
                Come on, are you really not used to it yet?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 20: 48
                  -1
                  just interesting
                  If there is something to say against why not, it is possible that interesting thoughts arise in the course, and so it’s silly and stupid
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 19: 03
            -2
            Quote: olegyurjewitch
            All republics in the USSR lived off state data


            returned try to answer
            someone is not quite smart, but maybe the smart one who pursued his goals fanned this story, saying that the RSFSR dated and fed everyone.

            far from everything can be really estimated with money
            how much, for example, thousands or tens of thousands of rubles or dollars, you can assess the rejection of a nuclear strike on the USSR due to the inability to cover the food base in the SA? !!!
            The Caspian was practically the internal lake of the Union, the same (to a lesser extent, of course) applies to the Black Sea
            How to evaluate military test sites in the SA ?!
            Baikonur ?!
            missile launchers scattered all over Kazakhstan ?!
            and many more like
  4. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 1 December 2012 10: 32
    +1
    If there are no guest workers, who are you respected, will build houses for a penny? who will sweep your streets? Thank them! Here are the prices: five Uzbeks for five thousand bucks raise the cottage in three levels in two months !!!

    Why so much gloating? so much anger, ridicule ?! and?! These people are so-called migrant workers working like horses !!! They do the work that we dear gentlemen and I never stop doing since we consider it below our level ... There is no shameful work
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 10: 40
      +3
      and in my words there is neither malevolence, nor anger, much less ridicule. There is regret that such a state as the USSR destroyed the political pygmies, for the benefit of their own pockets. as well as the certainty that history will put everything in its place.
    2. Ribwort
      Ribwort 1 December 2012 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      Here are the prices: five Uzbeks for five thousand bucks raise the cottage in three levels in two months !!!

      And here is the flip side of what you are talking about:
      http://kp.ru/f/12/image/21/13/4561321.jpg
      I myself am a resident of this village and knew the guys very well ...
    3. predator.3
      predator.3 1 December 2012 11: 06
      +5
      And in the 60-80s. cities, factories, hydroelectric power stations, BAM, etc. etc. migrant workers or something built! and the cost per square meter of housing is approx. 15-25 thousand rubles, so think, in the 80s in a couple of years they built entire neighborhoods.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 03
        -2
        Quote: predator.3
        And in the 60-80s. cities, factories, hydroelectric power stations, BAM, etc. etc. migrant workers

        and by the way, too, if you are about the inhabitants of CA
    4. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 1 December 2012 23: 50
      +5
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      Who are you dear, will build houses for a penny?
      This is purely a bike. Firstly, not at all for a penny, their prices have long been equal to professional builders, and secondly, they have no idea about construction. There can be no question of any norms, GOSTs, TUs. They build "as God puts it on their souls." The quality is generally below any criticism. Don't believe me? Ask for an example of concrete preparation technology and compare how these "builders" prepare it. And they do all the work in the same way: welding and plumbing, etc.
      If they are such talented and hardworking builders, then why aren’t they building a nifig?

      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      work like horses
      This is generally their purely sexual difficulties.
      And what would you advise to do with crime, even the official super-tolerant statistics says that in large cities up to half of serious crimes are committed by "guests from the former fraternal"?

      I personally don’t understand why this problem exists at all? They wanted independence, so let them receive in full. They did not want to live with Russians, Tatars, Germans; so what x ... they are now breaking here.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 09
        -2
        Quote: Фкенщь13
        This is pure bike. Firstly, not at all for a penny, their prices have long been aligned with professional builders, and secondly, they have no idea about construction.

        some kind of contradiction arises, the tenant is not profitable for the finished consumer is not profitable.
        if everyone can explain why they take Gaster and ours don’t go, the salary is not small, but the qualifications of the court according to your assumptions are ours higher?
        1. FunkschNNX
          FunkschNNX 2 December 2012 14: 37
          +1
          Himself in shock. Yes, I agree, once they were cheaper. But now I refuse to understand the employers hiring these crooked-horned lovers, despite the fact that in the end (with all the alterations, and you always have to redo them) they come out more expensive than a normal qualified team. I have watched countless times how after they either had to shift the tiles, they forgot to put waterproofing on them, then communications would be laid three meters away from the plan (you see softer land there).
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 14: 39
            -3
            Well, that means there is something else, either the local people do not want to work at all, or they ask for the salary of the director of the company
            1. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch 2 December 2012 17: 27
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Well, then there’s something else

              This is also called a POCKET, not yours and not mine, but the employer.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 19: 05
                -2
                I do not see the economic benefits, hire a fool for the same money as a smart
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 20: 49
                  -2
                  the fool has something to say, say, and so you look like a small mongrel
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 2 December 2012 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      If there are no guest workers, who are you respected, will build houses for a penny? who will sweep your streets?

      If there are no Uzbeks and Tajiks ........... perhaps the village of Russia will not die out. Muzhiki remember in the outback and reach for the city !!!
      Here are the prices: five Uzbeks for five thousand bucks raise the cottage in three levels in two months !!!

      And here is my story:
      I bought an apartment for a child (he got into debt so much, for the most and further). He came and the apartment has only windows and an entrance door. On quality in general, separately. Come on. The walls need to be puttied and my brother-in-law asked me to do work at the construction site (at the same one). The answer was 70 tons of rubles + material !!!
      I found out how much money my friend will undertake (doing repairs to Vale Matvienko) it turned out 50t + material!
      THERE IS YOU AND CHEAP WORK OF MASTERBUSTERS!

      Just want to say SPECIALISTS!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 15
        -1
        Quote: APASUS
        If there are no Uzbeks and Tajiks ........... perhaps the village of Russia will not die out. Muzhiki remember in the outback and reach for the city !!

        When will we learn to think and not just poke keys ?!
        firstly, if everyone is drawn to the city from CEA, this will mean its extinction, secondly, you and those who talked without work in the countryside, something tells me that you don’t want to take things off
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 2 December 2012 13: 37
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          firstly, if from CEA everyone is drawn to the city this will mean its extinction,

          As I understand it, families need money, why does the village die out? can men start to pay? so much so that they drag families into the city into their own apartments?
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          secondly, you talked to those who lived in rural areas without work, something tells me that you don’t want to have things to do

          After all, we are working! And Pskov and Novgorod, Karelia and not what !! The mentality of course ............. but not engineers scored
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 49
            -2
            Quote: APASUS
            why does the village die out? can men start to pay?

            where in the city ?! so what does the village have to do with it? !!!!
            Quote: APASUS
            Do they drag families into the city into their own apartments?

            ohh how everything is running !!!!!
            and who will stay in the village? !!! men to work in the city, women following them into city apartments, you just didn’t think of it, or did you meet winter so well yesterday ?!
            Quote: APASUS
            After all, we are working!

            with whom?!!! those who are able to work and not plump, they are still at work, and the rest can only be made to work with x ... x, and even then something like
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 2 December 2012 20: 14
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              ohh how everything is running !!!!! and who will remain in the village? !!! men to work in the city, women following them into city apartments, you just didn’t think of it, or did you meet winter so well yesterday ?!

              Everything is running into the account, so you definitely noticed it. Stop measuring everything with outdated criteria! In the suburbs there are agricultural complexes, where the staff is 200 people, and the size of the whole district and their salary is normal. This was the collective farm occupied the region under the USSR and the whole region worked in it!
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              where in the city ?! so what does the village have to do with it? !!!!

              And on the account of the fact that they will move with their families, in the city they can’t earn an apartment and families will still be in the village!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 21: 54
                -1
                Quote: APASUS
                And on the account of the fact that they will move with their families, in the city they cannot earn an apartment and families will still be in the village

                Quote: APASUS
                As I understand it, families need money, why does the village die out? can men start to pay? so much so that they drag families into the city into their own apartments?

                you do not find contradictions in these two phrases? winked
                Quote: APASUS
                where the staff is 200 people, and the size of the whole district and their salary is normal. This is the Soviet Union collective farm occupied the district and the whole district worked in it!
                really everything is very neglected
    6. ebrd
      ebrd 2 December 2012 11: 54
      +5
      KAZAKHSTAN... will he build houses for a penny? Who will sweep your streets? .... Thank them tell me ... At the beginning of the 90s in the Caucasus, the Central Asian republics they started yelling together, ,, RUSSIAN-OUT !, they say, we ourselves with a mustache, we’ll live happily without you. The Russians (read the Slavs), for the most part, left, selling for nothing, and for often just dropping everything they acquired. And what? 5-7 years have passed, in almost all of these republics ,, came full .... ah! And all these Caucasians, Central Asians, rushed to Russia, who earn and who steal. And we should say thanks to them?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 16
        -3
        Quote: berd
        began to yell together - ,, RUSSIAN-OUT !,

        this is the other side of the coin, but they started to cry with the direct connivance of Russia and personally (what would he have had enough oil in hell) EBN
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 2 December 2012 22: 43
        +1
        White Paper of memory ...

        The civil war, or rather, the massacre, has flared up on the territory of the USSR since the late 80s.
        They exterminated mainly Slavs and other Aryans (Russian-Russians, Russian-Ukrainians, Belarusians, Germans, etc.).
        The current Rulers, the direct Heirs of those former Rulers, hide this bitter Truth
        from their people so far, their hands are also soiled in Slavic blood ...
        Only the smallest excerpts from the chronicle of the Slavic genocide:
        https://radosvet.net/4331-genocid-russkix-belaya-kniga-pamyati.html

        "In mid-February 1990, national Islamists literally tore to pieces XNUMX Russian men and women in Dushanbe. The women were forced to undress and run in circles on the square of the railway station under the roar of machine gun fire and the guffaw of rapists ..."

        These chilling stories about which Russian television stubbornly keeps silent “in order to avoid inciting ethnic hatred”, you can now hear from the miraculously surviving Russian refugees,
        who have been trying for more than 15 years to find shelter, citizenship, sympathy and support from the Russian authorities.
        Useless.
        These gentlemen even did not give a damn about the genocide of the Russian people, abandoned to their own devices by Gorbachev, Yeltsin
        “In February 1990, exactly on the day of the next anniversary of the Islamic revolution in Iran, there was a pogrom of the Russian quarters of Dushanbe. The murder of ORT correspondent Nikulin in broad daylight, the shooting of a school bus with the children of Russian officers from a grenade launcher. The brutal massacre of an Orthodox priest in Dushanbe, arson temple, atrocities in cemeteries ... etc. " Vladimir Klenov, Dushanbe. "Pamir: a memory of the Russians"

        Anti-Russian pogroms swept across the city. "Tajikistan for Tajiks!" and “Russians, get out to your Russia!” - The main slogans of the pogromists. Russians were robbed, raped and killed even in their own apartments.
        Not spared and children. Tajikistan did not know such savagery ... Vladimir Starikov. "The long road to Russia."

        "... And in March, as soon as the railway began to work, the first wave of departing Russians rushed to the freight station for containers, to the railway station and airport for tickets.
        Of the seven hundred thousand inhabitants of the then Dushanbe, three hundred thousand were Russians.
        Soon there was a shortage of doctors and teachers in Russian classes. My daughter in the eighth grade for six months did not have a physics teacher, which forced us to transfer her to another school.
        It was on these days that the famous slogan was born: "Russians, do not leave - we need slaves!"
        He decorated the fences of the city until the day our family left Tajikistan. "

        "... in October 1991, already in a free atmosphere, when Anatoly Sobchak, a Russian democrat and Putin's" godfather ", said his famous" there are no Russians here, there are communists here. "
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 2 December 2012 22: 46
          +3
          However, one should not think that the Russians in Kazakhstan did not become victims of the same processes that occurred and are taking place in other regions. Yes, in this republic there was no massacre; here the Russians were ousted "in a civilized manner." The ideology on which the policy towards Russians began to be based since the late 80s was formulated by the local ethnographer Makash Tatimov. It was his thesis that was repeatedly voiced by the President of Kazakhstan N. Nazarbayev. The essence of his doctrine, the goal that it pursues, Tatimov formulated as follows: "conflict-free retreat of the former imperial nation" - that is, Russian.
          For the first time, chauvinistic tendencies loudly appeared in Kazakhstan in December 1986.
          That December riot of 1986 was neither spontaneous nor spontaneous: the posters and banners carried by the "rebels" were made one year, two, or even three years before the events.
          The official talk about the social causes of the riots was completely untenable. In the slogans under which the "rebels" spoke, there was not a single word about material distress or housing disorder. “Long live the Kazakhs!” (“Cossack Zhassasyn !!!”) - this is what a crowd of thousands chanted at the full power of a young mouthful. “Kazakhstan is for Kazakhs!”, “Kazakh must govern Kazakhstan!”
          The "spontaneous" performance was surprisingly amicably supported throughout the south of Kazakhstan.
          But the main thing that was revealed during the investigation, which was the least enjoyable and completely destroyed Kunaev’s legend about the “laboratory of friendship of peoples”, was obvious: sooner or later ethnic cleansing was coming here. ” Over the years, the intellectual Kazakh elite has been preparing the ideological justification for the future great ethnic cleansing.
          The result of inspired work was summed up by the ethnographer Makash Tatimov.
          Since then, the main theses of the "Tatimov doctrine" have been repeatedly voiced by N. Nazarbayev personally.
          Here is their brief point.

          The ethnic situation in which the Kazakhs were in a numerical minority on their land was created artificially, at the behest of the "Moscow center", by starvation and expulsion of Kazakhs in the process of collectivization of the 30s, as well as as a result of the use of the territory of Kazakhstan for mass exile and deportation, especially the Germans, Chechens and Koreans. Well, since the situation was artificially created, the Kazakh people have all the rights, and most importantly, the moral right, to overcome this situation also by artificial methods.
          Under the Union, M. Tatimov kept quiet about the essence of these methods, later, as an adviser to President Nazarbayev, he became much more frank, expressing his thought as follows: "conflict-free retreat of the former imperial nation" - that is, Russians ...
          Since a large number of Kazakhs live outside of Kazakhstan, it is necessary to provide a "horde basy" at the state level - "a union of hordes", that is, the unification of all Kazakhs in a single state.
          As a result, by 2010, it is planned to restore historical justice destroyed by the "hand of Moscow" and to form an ethnically homogeneous electorate. To get a fuller picture of the picture, let us turn to the figures cited in the article by Ertaulov, which we have already quoted: “Since 1993, the massive departure of the Russian population, which continues to this day, begins. The peak of this process so far falls on 1994: more than 300 thousand Russians left Kazakhstan that year, almost as many as the total number of Russians left Dudayev's Chechnya.
          This sad "record" was almost closed in 1998 - about 250 thousand.
          Approximately the same figure marks the year 1999.
          Currently, the migration service of the Russian Federation estimates the number of Russian immigrants from Kazakhstan at 2 million.
          This figure is underestimated by at least 1 million.
          From 1994 to 1996, the Nazarbayev regime introduced a regulation on the classification of all data on migration and ethnography.
          In 1993-95, the "German exodus" followed ...
    7. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 2 December 2012 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      Here are the prices: five Uzbeks for five thousand bucks raise the cottage in three levels in two months !!!

      Did you work at a construction site? I worked as a bricklayer, foreman for twelve years, I know very well what work these builders do. Cottage for two months, Tajiks or whoever there, do not tell my slippers!
  5. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 10: 34
    +2
    dear, and if there is no where to go, will there be an opportunity for these republics to survive at all? My long-standing thesis is confirmed: over hundreds of years of cohabitation, the peoples of RI, and later the USSR, not only economically, but also socially adapted to each other. consequently, the collapse of the union was not voluntary disconnection, with full sovereignty, but the violent fragmentation of one state into oblasts.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 December 2012 10: 42
      -5
      Quote: survivor
      therefore, the collapse of the union was not a voluntary disconnection

      Clear business. The Russian Federation of Socialist Republics became the initiator.
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 10: 45
        +3
        but this moment is not clear to me at all. DAY OF INDEPENDENCE FROM WHO? from whom the republics of the USSR, and Russia in particular, became SO independent?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 1 December 2012 11: 11
          -5
          Quote: survivor
          DAY OF INDEPENDENCE FROM WHOM? From whom did the USSR republics become independent, and Russia in particular?

          Well, if we take it on the scale of the republics, then Azerbaijan was captured. The whole myth is that delirium voluntarily joined. There was a specific capture.
          But in cases with Russia it is really incomprehensible.
          1. survivor
            survivor 1 December 2012 13: 03
            +3
            yes, Azerbaijan was not lucky (((. they didn’t allow it to join Turkey or Persia. Was it only that Azerbaijan was a sovereign state? In Iran, in my opinion, if I am not mistaken, there are a lot of Azerbaijanis, but there is no hint of autonomy .
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 1 December 2012 14: 09
              +2
              Quote: survivor
              yes, Azerbaijan was not lucky (((. they didn’t allow it to join Turkey or Persia. Was it only that Azerbaijan was a sovereign state? In Iran, in my opinion, if I am not mistaken, there are a lot of Azerbaijanis, but there is no hint of autonomy .

              I would not say that no luck !!
              During the referendum held in Azerbaijan, 90 percent supported the USSR!
              Just then they already saw the policy towards us, they saw that they weren’t at all relatives, and off we go !!
              And until 90, they believed that everything would settle down and * wise * leadership would stop lawlessness!
              1. survivor
                survivor 1 December 2012 14: 13
                +1
                Sorry, but did not understand what was written. 90% supported the USSR, although the government did not stop the lawlessness? brrr, something I can see with the logic of the problem, I did not understand much.)
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 1 December 2012 14: 48
                  -1
                  Quote: survivor

                  Sorry, but did not understand what was written. 90% supported the USSR, although the government did not stop the lawlessness? brrr, something I can see with the logic of the problem, I did not understand much.)

                  I’ll try to explain, after the start of the so-called perestroika, the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh began! The party leadership of Azerbaijan stood at attention to the leadership of the USSR and tried to make amends with all their might, hid the facts and did much to the detriment of the people, waiting for a fair decision of the CENTER! The people also believed a lot that everyone up there knows and will soon solve the problem, after all, the USSR is it !! But every day everyone understood that something was wrong !! And when the troops entered Baku in the 90th year and literally people were shot on the streets, people were tested is it a shock !!
                  It was then a few years later that everyone openly talked about Gorbachev’s late in88 Armenia after the earthquake and why television didn’t cover that late, but gave only pictures! Just because everywhere the Armenian population met the Secretary General with the slogans -Raisa return the diamonds, hinting at the diamonds donated by Raisa Gorbacheva to the USA by the Armenian diaspora for * correct * decision on Karabakh!
                  And then, under Yeltsin, a crack went even further!
                  Until January 90, the majority was for the union state !!
                  You see, before the introduction of troops, many Soviet leaders who came to Baku in those days vowed to assure the people on TV that there would be no troops, that the local party leadership was to blame for everything, that measures would be taken! Among these people were Primakov, Girenko, Yazov, Baranikov ! And just a few hours after their speech, the army entered the city!
                  That is, for the first time, people saw that the top leaders of LUTU !!
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 54
                  -1
                  in order to explain, you should have lived in the republics at that time, in addition, presented so that essentially nothing has changed (at least in the RK, it was) the money remained the same, passports, went back and forth without problems, well the name was changed, many believed that everything would settle down and return to square one
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 1 December 2012 21: 43
              0
              Quote: survivor
              prevented him from joining Turkey or Persia

              At that time, the composition of Turkey was shining. But I was not opposed)) we take))
              Quote: survivor
              something in Iran, in my opinion, if I’m not mistaken, there are a lot of Azerbaijanis, but there is no hint of autonomy.

              Well, they are crushing because they use the slogan that we are all Muslim brothers. But no one thought that the USSR would fall apart, so that we will only assume in the future)
              1. Wanderer1980
                Wanderer1980 2 December 2012 00: 04
                +2
                At that time, the composition of Turkey was shining. But I was not opposed)) we take))


                Yesterday, the media reported that at 14:30 in the area of ​​the village of Kayanavan, Tavush Marz of Armenia, a ceremony was held to transfer the Azerbaijani side of the citizen of this state Telman Jevanshir oglu Aliyev born in 1972.

                Recall that Telman Aliyev, who is a shepherd, crossed the Armenian-Azerbaijani border on November 12, most likely having gone astray, looking for the missing cattle.

                Then, immediately after the arrest of Aliyev by the Armenian military, the Azerbaijani side raised the usual howl that, they say, Aliyev was abducted by Armenian saboteurs, that he is deaf and dumb.
                Of course, all this was easily refuted and, in principle, it happened: the lie was refuted. And despite all the attempts of the Caucasian Turks to suck out another scandal, the Armenian side showed nobility and humanity and passed Aliyev to Azerbaijan unilaterally and without any preconditions.

                And in the light of this story, it would simply be unfair not to recall the story of another shepherd - a 19-year-old resident of the Armenian village of Ttujur Gegharkunik marz Manvel Saribekyan. Manvel fell into the clutches of the Turks on September 10, 2010, when he returned home from the forest, where he went for firewood. Immediately after the capture of Manvel, the propaganda machine of the neighboring state staged a whole show, accusing the guy that he was allegedly a saboteur, was about to blow up the school, and almost threatened to assassinate the heir to the Sultan of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev. Whether it was threats or violence, but the co-winners managed to get the “recognition” from the guy, quickly posted on the Internet by his tormentors. Confessions of slurred and incomprehensible what.

                After this, the executioners became no longer needed by the executioners Manvel. A month later, with the mediation of Russia, Manvel Saribekyan returned home. He returned in a closed coffin with traces of inhuman torture on his body. As the relatives of the deceased said, the boy's eyes were gouged out, his lips were burnt, his neck was cut, his arms and legs were broken. The whole body of the guy was bruised, internal organs were absent. And even with all this, the transfer of Manvel’s body was frustrated several times due to the fact that the Transiturists capriciously set a lot of preconditions for this, requiring, in particular, the transfer of the corpses of saboteurs Akhmedov and Ibragimov to them, which Azagitprop had successfully completed several days before. and bury with honors in Bilasuvar district.

                Slightly more than Manvel Saribekyan was "lucky" to another civilian - a resident of the village of Haghartsin, Tavush marz, Artur Badalyan, who was captured by zakavturks on May 9, 2009. He, unlike Manvel, remained alive. However, during the two incomplete years of being in captivity under incessant physical and psychological pressure, the prisoner's health was irretrievably lost. In addition, for exactly six months the Transcaucasian Turks generally completely denied the fact that Badalyan was in captivity.

                These are radically different examples of attitudes toward civilians.

                And in the light of the foregoing, it is not at all surprising that the voluntary defector from Azerbaijan, Firuz Farajev, who is currently on the Armenian side (by the way, a purebred Transcaucasian Turk) yesterday once again reiterated his categorical unwillingness to return to his homeland.
                1. sams
                  sams 2 December 2012 00: 15
                  0
                  Armenians are interesting people. Very hospitable .... Whoever is against is against me ...
                  1. Ribwort
                    Ribwort 2 December 2012 12: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: sams
                    Armenians are interesting people. Very welcoming ....

                    I do not presume to judge the whole nation, I agree, there are many people of the culture of art, medicine among them ... But such people, as a rule, are in demand everywhere, and in their homeland too. We estimate it, mainly by the "cream of the Armenian, and not only, society" that go to seek happiness in a foreign land, including Russia. And you just can't say that about them. I repeat, quite recently, where I live, there was a conflict with the Armenians who, without hesitation, pulled out knives, as a result one with three stabs in the heart in the hospital, one in the cemetery. The one-year-old daughter was left without a father ... On the very next day, ALL guest workers under the protection of the OMON were taken out of the village by buses - the authorities are very concerned about the health and mental comfort of the Gaster. And the deceased Russian guy ... Well, you never know in Russia "Ivanov" ...
                    1. Wanderer1980
                      Wanderer1980 2 December 2012 13: 56
                      +1
                      Banditry is banditry, or, to paraphrase, "a thief must be in prison." Those. anyone who violates the laws of the state in which he lives - must bear the responsibility provided by law. It doesn't matter what nationality he is.
                      For example, I have a hard time imagining a situation in which I can get "on the knives". Only a street "gop-stop", maybe, but in your case, it’s probably not about robbery?
                2. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 2 December 2012 14: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Wanderer1980
                  Yesterday, the media reported that at 14:30 in the area of ​​the village of Kayanavan, Tavush Marz of Armenia, a ceremony was held to transfer the Azerbaijani side of the citizen of this state Telman Jevanshir oglu Aliyev born in 1972.

                  Recall that Telman Aliyev, who is a shepherd, crossed the Armenian-Azerbaijani border on November 12, most likely having gone astray, looking for the missing cattle.

                  Then, immediately after the arrest of Aliyev by the Armenian military, the Azerbaijani side raised the usual howl that, they say, Aliyev was abducted by Armenian saboteurs, that he is deaf and dumb.
                  Of course, all this was easily refuted and, in principle, it happened: the lie was refuted. And despite all the attempts of the Caucasian Turks to suck out another scandal, the Armenian side showed nobility and humanity and transferred Aliyev to Azerbaijan unilaterally and without any preconditions.

                  And in the light of this story, it would simply be unfair not to recall the story of another shepherd - a 19-year-old resident of the Armenian village of Ttujur Gegharkunik marz Manvel Saribekyan. Manvel fell into the clutches of the Turks on September 10, 2010, when he returned home from the forest, where he went for firewood. Immediately after the capture of Manvel, the propaganda machine of the neighboring state staged a whole show, accusing the guy that he was allegedly a saboteur, was about to blow up the school, and almost threatened to assassinate the heir to the Sultan of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev. Whether it was threats or violence, but the co-winners managed to get the “recognition” from the guy, quickly posted on the Internet by his tormentors. Confessions of slurred and incomprehensible what.

                  After this, the executioners became no longer needed by the executioners Manvel. A month later, with the mediation of Russia, Manvel Saribekyan returned home. He returned in a closed coffin with traces of inhuman torture on his body. As the relatives of the deceased said, the boy's eyes were gouged out, his lips were burnt, his neck was cut, his arms and legs were broken. The whole body of the guy was bruised, internal organs were absent. And even with all this, the transfer of Manvel’s body was frustrated several times due to the fact that the Transiturists capriciously set a lot of preconditions for this, requiring, in particular, the transfer of the corpses of saboteurs Akhmedov and Ibragimov to them, which Azagitprop had successfully completed several days before. and bury with honors in Bilasuvar district.

                  Slightly more than Manvel Saribekyan was "lucky" to another civilian - a resident of the village of Haghartsin, Tavush marz, Artur Badalyan, who was captured by zakavturks on May 9, 2009. He, unlike Manvel, remained alive. However, during the two incomplete years of being in captivity under incessant physical and psychological pressure, the prisoner's health was irretrievably lost. In addition, for exactly six months the Transcaucasian Turks generally completely denied the fact that Badalyan was in captivity.

                  These are radically different examples of attitudes toward civilians.

                  And in the light of the foregoing, it is not at all surprising that the voluntary defector from Azerbaijan, Firuz Farajev, who is currently on the Armenian side (by the way, a purebred Transcaucasian Turk) yesterday once again reiterated his categorical unwillingness to return to his homeland.


                  And how is your post related to the fact that I would not mind against joining with Turkey because we are taken ??
                  As for Firuz, of course, he will not agree to return to him, they will immediately impute the article treason to his homeland, but here is another question that prompted him to switch over. This is what the person needs to be brought to do so.
                  1. Wanderer1980
                    Wanderer1980 2 December 2012 14: 23
                    0
                    Ali. It was rather about the fact that being a "brother of a Turk" is a controversial merit.
                    This is what you need to bring a person to do this.

                    And do conscripts in Nakhijevan be disassembled into organs and sold to Israel?
                    What you need to go yourself!
                    In general, Aliyev, oil money and a low level of education in Azerbaijan are the main reasons why peace in the region has not yet come.
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 2 December 2012 20: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Wanderer1980
                      Ali. It was rather about the fact that being a "brother of a Turk" is a controversial merit.

                      Well, it depends on which belfry to watch. Russian in the east associates with not very hostile things. And the Turks are our brothers.
                      Quote: Wanderer1980
                      And do conscripts in Nakhijevan be disassembled into organs and sold to Israel?
                      What you need to go yourself!
                      In general, Aliyev, oil money and a low level of education in Azerbaijan are the main reasons why peace in the region has not yet come.

                      Why peace has not come in the region because our lands are occupied by dosihpors.
                      And the fact that our power serves itself, and not the people, but rather against the people, we already know. But we are not lucky. At the moment, this power suits everyone abroad, and organizing a riot with oil money is a very unlikely thing.
                      1. Wanderer1980
                        Wanderer1980 2 December 2012 22: 05
                        -1
                        Turks are not just brothers for you. You are their flesh. Ali, since 1936 you are "Azerbaijanis", before that the Transcaucasian Tatars, before that "the Ottomans, or, bashfully, Azeri-Turks." So you are 100% brothers.
                        And you are also brothers from the very Trans-Altai Tatars, who were perfectly represented in the film "Horde". Did not watch?
                        For example, from the last:
                        In recent years alone, the Christian cemetery in Baku, thousands of unique khachkars in Nakhichevan, and the Cossack cemetery on Sary Island were destroyed in this republic. However, if Christian cemeteries are simply destroyed, then with tombstones of the Muslim peoples of Azerbaijan, Baku falsifiers decided to do otherwise.

                        Recently, alarming signals have come from the "Southern Region of Azerbaijan", that is, the historical Talysh. The indigenous people of this region report that Azerbaijani "historians" ... steal the oldest gravestone stone sculptures in the form of bulls preserved in the region. Since time immemorial, the Talyshs have placed such monuments on the graves of soldiers who fell in battle. Most of these monuments have been preserved in Lerik (Lik) district, where a team of "scientists", headed by the director of the Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan, MP Milli Mejlis Yakub Makhmudov, is in charge. After each of their invasions, a considerable number of stone bulls disappear from this Talysh region, which are then “resurrected” in Nakhichevan, “humiliated” to the status of a ram. In such a simple, but dirty way, Azerbaijani historians solve two problems: they "prove" the autochthony of the Turks in the ancient Armenian Nakhichevan and deprive Talysh of evidence of autochthony in their homeland.
                        What exactly are your lands "occupied"?
                        Why do you think they are yours?
                        Why do not you recognize the independence of the NKR?
                      2. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 3 December 2012 18: 38
                        +3
                        We are brothers!!!
                        Quote: Wanderer1980
                        What exactly are your lands "occupied"?
                        Why do you think they are yours?
                        Why do not you recognize the independence of the NKR

                        This topic was discussed here a hundred times and no one friend proved anything.
                        I’m not going to start a meaningless argument again.
          2. bart74
            bart74 1 December 2012 19: 11
            +3
            Listen to this. Azerbaijanis are mainly engaged in wholesale and retail trade. No one in Russia is stopping this. 99% of Azerbaijanis respect our culture and are quite assimilated since Soviet times. Many have a family business here. You ask them, what is RUSSIA for them? and so you do not know the story well. One episode with the Baku commissars still does not prove anything. Before that, TIFLIS was 90% inhabited by Russian industrialists and merchants.
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 32
              +1
              What is the connection between Tiflis, now Tbilisi, and the Baku commissars?
              1. bart74
                bart74 1 December 2012 19: 49
                +1
                Yes, I apologize for the fervor wrote Tiflis instead of Baku. And in vain you stick in, brother.
              2. sams
                sams 2 December 2012 00: 18
                -1
                direct connection begs:
                Tiflis and Tbilisi, as well as Baku, are located in the Caucasus.
                hi
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 1 December 2012 19: 54
              0
              Quote: bart74
              Listen to

              Honestly, I did not understand your idea!
            3. Yeraz
              Yeraz 1 December 2012 21: 51
              -1
              Quote: bart74
              99% of Azerbaijanis respect our culture and are quite assimilated since Soviet times. Many have a family business here. You ask them, what is RUSSIA for them?

              Understand the new generation has grown up. The generation that grew up in the USSR was disappointed which side the Russian authorities took in the Karabakh conflict and continue to take, but because of the devastation and war they thought how to feed their family in those difficult years and didn’t express their protest. But they grew up their children are a new generation that reads a different story, but a Soviet one, which is becoming much more nationalistic and gradually becoming religious. These young people are more active.
              Only here are 2 questions. Which way will they choose with regard to Russia.
              All the same, trying to change the position of the Russian Federation on the Karabakh issue, so that the Kremlin understands that an alliance with Azerbaijan is much more profitable.
              Or the second way, that the Russian Federation is useless to convince and it is necessary to choose other ways (confrontation, ignore or what is happening now)
              The position of the Russian Federation also affects these processes.

              I’m clarifying precisely the Russian Federation, not the Russians. Everything is normal in the household, there is no hatred for the Russian, and the Russian don’t care azer or high
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 1 December 2012 14: 10
          +3
          Quote: survivor

          but this moment is not clear to me at all. DAY OF INDEPENDENCE FROM WHO? from whom the republics of the USSR, and Russia in particular, became SO independent?

          Not so simple!
          I understand what you mean!
          But the peoples were not given a choice, everyone decided in a narrow circle three Presidents, under vodka in Belovezhskaya Pushcha !!!
          1. survivor
            survivor 1 December 2012 14: 14
            0
            Voooot. this is the correct answer !!! who asked the people?
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 1 December 2012 14: 33
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            the nations were not given a choice, everything was decided in a narrow circle

            Hi Alibek! For the sake of justice, the peoples are also good. Three drunks decided everything and all the others wiped themselves together and went where they were sent, and this despite the fact that the army of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was still there
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 1 December 2012 14: 55
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              For the sake of justice, the peoples are also good. Three drunks decided everything and all the others wiped themselves together and went where they were sent, and this despite the fact that the army of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was still there

              Ruslan remember those years !!
              Then people were differently disciplined !!
              And I almost think everyone thought, but what can I do?
              Probably military people could change something then, but apparently there were no ideological people either !!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 1 December 2012 14: 59
                +2
                I remember! In my opinion, for the first time, something woke up in the people in August of 91. It’s only because of unpreparedness or I don’t even know why everything turned in the wrong direction and as a result a mess and chaos
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 1 December 2012 15: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  I remember! In my opinion, for the first time, something woke up in the people in August of 91. It’s only because of unpreparedness or I don’t even know why everything turned in the wrong direction and as a result a mess and chaos

                  If there were a bunch of these false democrats arrested and shown on TV, then what the authorities had on them, then everything would be different !!
                  They just all tried to do everything undercover, no one relied on the people !!
                  No one had the courage to openly declare that he and he were not communists!
                  The people would go for honest people!
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 1 December 2012 15: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    The people would go for honest people!

                    Only honest people, as a rule, don’t go into politics, they don’t survive there. To hell with honesty would be at least smart and able to see the future.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 1 December 2012 15: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Only honest people usually don’t go into politics -
                      But we are talking about the time of the USSR, then we went into * politics *, or rather, the best, most honest ones were put forward !!!
              2. survivor
                survivor 1 December 2012 15: 00
                +1
                I think it’s not a matter of discipline, it’s a matter of inertia. Citizens of the USSR simply lost the idea and lived by inertia. Only a new idea appeared, everyone rushed to implement it, completely not thinking about the consequences.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 1 December 2012 15: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: survivor
                  I think it’s not a matter of discipline, it’s a matter of inertia. Citizens of the USSR simply lost the idea and lived by inertia. Only a new idea appeared, everyone rushed to implement it, completely not thinking about the consequences.

                  I agree, but again I think that among the people, party bosses, there was not one principle and truly ideological person !!!
                  Would go for him !!!
              3. bart74
                bart74 1 December 2012 19: 52
                +1
                Yes, there were no sensible generals. There was a transmission through a zombie box, all the cones fell on Yazov, saying that he did not want blood. And how much did it spill after that? There wasn’t enough will, just there was a devastation in the heads.
            2. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 33
              +1
              The army, the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs carried out orders - and it could not be otherwise!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 13: 51
        -1
        Quote: Yeraz
        RFSR became the initiator

        I would say not the RSFSR but forever drunk
    2. Waroc
      Waroc 1 December 2012 15: 08
      +6
      Sorry to interfere in the discussion.
      But I am personally still jarring - as I recall, in the 90s all the republics that received the coveted independence seriously stated in all seriousness that they fed Russia its entire history. But it turned out the opposite. They didn’t live so badly that they ate and sold out what was left after disconnection. They could not establish production at sufficiently large enterprises on their territory and stupidly sold everything for scrap. And when there was nothing to sell - then they cried out.
      You say "adapted to each other", but it seems to me that everything is somewhat different, it seems to me it is called parasitism. They drove out qualified specialists in the face of the Russian population on the wave of their own aggressive nationalism - and were left with a huge army of unskilled labor in the country. Unqualified, but with very high self-esteem and a level of anger.
      And no matter how things are going in Russia - you must agree, it’s much easier to retrain as janitors and movers from an engineer and designer than vice versa. So, no matter what they say, Russia, even with the inconvenience, but without such neighbors, will not die, but on the contrary - very much so. But, even now, when life has put everything in its place, our neighbors cannot calm down in any way - and again, Russia is to blame for all their troubles. Sorry, the end, but this is the height of arrogance and insanity.
      So it was and is precisely parasitism.
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 15: 29
        +1
        and in Russia the neighbors are to blame for all the troubles ......... yes, you are right, the Russians were kicked out and left without skilled workers, but the same process is taking place in Russia. who mainly work in low-paying jobs? that in Russia there is so much high-paying work that outsiders have to recruit streets for revenge? Or are there many Muscovites who are ready to do this? Somehow, one of my acquaintances was offered to go to the construction site with me. he kept crying that he, I must say, was not qualified), there is no opportunity to work due to the fact that gaster took all the work. so I pulled it with me, carry a brick, stir the solution, for 500 rubles a day. in the evening he received his 500 and told me that this work is for pigs like me, not for him, ROSTOVCHANIN! I don't talk to him anymore. I didn't beat the face of the Limts, but I also stopped communicating. Many problems arise from the fact that you yourself do not see how you treat people who work for you! a bunch of examples. somehow, I lay sidewalk tiles in the Rostov zoo. I stand on the pegs and lay each hand with my own hands. On the street +40. 2-3 o'clock in the afternoon. Crowds are walking around the zoo. I throw myself a tile, throw it in, and suddenly I hear a dialogue. dad brought his daughter to the zoo for a walk, to see the animals. she asks him, what are the uncles doing? he answers her, they say, they make a path for your legs. a child of five or six years old. she again asked, "Dad, why are they so dirty?" Dad's answer just killed him. "THEY ARE DIRTY BECAUSE NOT HUMAN!"
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 1 December 2012 15: 30
        +4
        Quote: Waroc
        They could not establish production at sufficiently large enterprises on their territory and stupidly sold everything for scrap.

        Quote: Waroc
        You say "adapted to each other

        So all production in the republics was interconnected! Many enterprises worked to provide enterprises located thousands of kilometers from them, and when all this broke, how to establish production ???
        For the most part, those norms and quality that suits the inside of the USSR did not suit potential buyers in the world, or maybe they didn’t specifically cooperate to finish it off!
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 1 December 2012 15: 43
          +6
          Alibek! here you can argue: the business was run not by politicians but by business executives What prevented them from maintaining ties? Jointly introducing new technologies? Many just decided that now they are free and will not work for wooden rubles but will pump currency Well, they downloaded something to sell and then came white fluffy animal and said scribe!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 1 December 2012 15: 58
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            here it can be argued: enterprises were not run by politicians but by business executives. What prevented them from maintaining ties?

            Let's remember that time Ruslan!
            Remember in what position the enterprises of blogging due to perestroika were already ?? In our city, most of the military factories and large enterprises in general were already idle !!
            And profitable enterprises, and without any reminders, cooperated with each other !!
            It’s just that if earlier transport costs were a penny, then with customs they became very expensive and many could not work because of this!
            Many so-called * housekeepers *, taking advantage of the moment, began to sell everything that was less or less valuable !! and they did not think about the future, they solved their * priority tasks *, took advantage of the opportunities that were so * successfully * opened for them !!
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 1 December 2012 16: 01
              +3
              So I am about the same! Why do something when you can stupidly stuff your pocket? And after all, these were not consumer goods factories but a defense complex!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 1 December 2012 16: 09
                0
                Quote: Ruslan67
                So I am about the same! Why do something when you can stupidly stuff your pocket? And after all, these were not consumer goods factories but a defense complex!

                Ruslan, so they made capital for themselves !!!
                Do you really think that anyone was thinking about the prospects?
                The same * housekeepers * sold enterprises for a penny, but because they did not know a different principle of work than the socialist one, they could not become capitalists!
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 1 December 2012 16: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Do you really think that anyone was thinking about the prospects?

                  I just don’t think so. I know for sure how the large factories in St. Petersburg were ruined by the example of those my parents and friends worked for.
          2. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 37
            0
            And how could you keep in touch if components in the other 14 republics? How to implement it in real life? And what if the components have to go through several borders sequentially?
        2. Waroc
          Waroc 1 December 2012 18: 39
          +4
          Everything can be. Surely this is also the case. But why not continue to work on a common technological chain with Russia, as before? But surely, when dividing into these enterprises, there were probably plans for obtaining income from them, but no - something went wrong (((the existing production did not need to be established - it just needed not to be destroyed, but they themselves were destroyed - there is no one to blame , independence ... Independence implies not only freedom from someone, but also responsibility for one’s actions! But even in terms of breaking technological chains - why was Russia able to establish lost links on its territory, and many neighbors didn’t? , or they were prevented - it doesn’t matter anymore, mom will not succeed in hiding under the hem - for independence ... Here it is responsibility, plundered - and we could not do without it. Russia initially had greater potential - yes, it would be foolish not to use it and those who disconnected thought - and what awaits them, with what they will remain after gaining the desired independence - we must think before the dog how to do something, and not after!
          I don’t take migrant workers badly (I don’t like migrant workers, they have German roots, it smells like concentration camps), but it so happened that they are not scientists and they have nothing left to do but to do heavy dirty work (for their hard work I I personally respect them, albeit not for long, but I had to boil in this mess - after leaving my service it was hard to find work - I worked as a loader for 2,5 years, tore my ligaments on my leg - so as not to sit idle with an unhealed leg, I went limping a week later the workshop on Rostvertol was a mechanic for 0,5 years, I had an education (excuse me for that) and I could find a cleaner and better paid job, but I treat the hard work and those who work with it very much with understanding and respect, regardless of nationality ) BUT if they behave disgustingly with others, if their government speaks poorly of my country (I am not going to sift everyone personally, and on the opinion of one of them I will judge everyone together (in relation to the Russians, the situation is similar on their part - remember the opinion that all Russian drunkards is not true, but the opinion for some reason about my people and about me it turns out like that)), if their countries are aggressive towards my country and blame her for something, I will be just as intolerant treat them all without exception!
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 39
            0
            Yes, no one is aggressive about Russia, for that matter!
          2. Shuhrat turani
            Shuhrat turani 3 December 2012 11: 31
            +1
            Quote: Waroc
            Russia initially had greater potential - yes, it would be foolish not to use it, and those who disconnected thought - what awaits them, with what they will remain after gaining the desired independence - we must think before the dog how to do something, and not after!



            The RSFSR left the USSR one of the first (not counting the Baltic states), the initiators of the collapse of the USSR were Ukraine, Russia and Belarus. T, E, Camber of the USSR CASES OF HANDS OF SLAVS AND BALTICIANS! THE CAUCASUS AND ASIA WERE FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE USSR,
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Waroc
        But I am personally still jarring - as I recall, in the 90s all the republics that received the coveted independence seriously stated in all seriousness that they fed Russia its entire history. But it turned out the opposite.

        I’m wondering, sorry for the comparison, the stomach feeds the ass and the head ?!
        we were the ONE ORGANISM, and if a person has hemorrhoids, then he cannot think not to eat, a person needs both his right hand, and left, and ass, and head
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 3 December 2012 08: 24
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          from me it’s interesting, forgive me for comparison, the stomach feeds the ass and the head ?! We were the ONE ORGANISM, and if a person has hemorrhoids, he cannot think not to eat, a person needs both his right hand, and left, and ass, and head


          Someone has something that hurts ... someone about what, and "Vasilenko" about F ... OPE.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2012 12: 40
            0
            But essentially?
    3. bart74
      bart74 1 December 2012 19: 05
      +3
      Once again, the issue of LABOR migration moves into the plane of the NAT QUESTION. We need migrants, we do not have enough Russian foremen, surveyors and other engineers at our construction site. Not enough cool craftsmen. It is as if to imagine that we will not have sergeants and junior officers. And many here are hysterical. You gentlemen, you will not go to loaders and helpers. OPEN EYES AROUND CAPITALISM. According to Marx, the main profit of the capitalist at the expense of the LABOR PAYMENT FUND. In many industries, especially PRODUCTION (no one doubts that construction is a production process?), So in production, the wage fund is the main profit of the capitalist! THINK! The average salary on IZHMASH is 14 thousand rubles! WILL YOU PICK UP KALASH FOR THIS MONEY? need to change the existing system!
  6. andrey.joshua
    andrey.joshua 1 December 2012 10: 49
    +7
    Well, firstly, dear KAZAKHSTAN, this thoughtform:
    If there are no guest workers, who are you respected, will build houses for a penny?

    it is embedded in our heads, with the intention that there would be no other options, even in thoughts !? A striking example, the work of builders in the USSR! Everyone worked, and it was an honor to work as a Builder .... everything worked out, and swept a penny ... because they knew the apartment would be from the housing and communal services! I want to say .... in any storm, it’s possible to plot any course of salvation, but if on the captain’s bridge FIGURES and PARROTES, who have a lifeboat behind them, (boat) a boat, then ....
  7. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 1 December 2012 10: 49
    -8
    The collapse of the union is a regularity! This was the only way out, and in that form it would never return, another thing is the economic union of the Eurasian Economic Community. During the years of the ussr at a nuclear test site in kazakhstan, which is equal in area to a european country, 350 were produced !!! ATOMIC EXPLOSIONS !!! Ground, underground, air ... now we are an independent country and that landfill is closed and we do not have nuclear weapons. Independence is good and everyone had reasons to leave the union ... Another thing is the interdependence is what we are going on towards the Eurasian Economic Community.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 11: 00
      +4
      but from this place I ask in more detail. What is such a pattern? What could happen such that collapse would be the only way out? I remember very well what and how it was under the USSR in Kazakhstan, most of all from Tselinograd
    2. Rezun
      Rezun 1 December 2012 11: 19
      +5
      The collapse of the USSR is not a regularity, it is OUR DECLINE IN A DIVERSION WAR! We were specially "killed" because WE learned to think globally! Unfortunately, at that time, we forgot how without pity strangle the enemy ...

      Now imagine how the "amers" will "screech" if Russia starts a couple of construction projects in Tajikistan according to Soviet projects? And, please, calculate the possible rise in prices for construction services in the Moscow region.
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 11: 59
        +1
        but that would be good! after the revolution, the empire fell apart. and what did it lead to? but later it was recreated again under a different name. And the reconstruction must begin with positive steps. construction sites, millionaire education, educational activities, treatment. everything is like in 20 years. it was these steps that broke the backbone of the same Basmachism and nationalism. the basis of the national cadre was laid precisely by guest workers. during the first world people from Asia began to be brought to Russia to work. since their personnel, in connection with the war, were not enough. they were sent to factories. to carry out auxiliary work. the local proletariat vividly took these people for processing and many of them became Bolsheviks. by the way, then they also paid a penny and crime increased dramatically. groups of guest workers attacked the inhabitants of Russia. The police quickly dealt with this. The same people who passed the reforging after the establishment of Soviet power in Turkestan became the first leaders of their republics.
    3. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 1 December 2012 23: 29
      +1
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      now we are an independent country

      In the sense that nothing depends on Kazakhstan.
      And your dealer of the nation did not refuse nuclear weapons, but sold it, like most of the assets inherited from the USSR. Will you argue? Then read the charters of your largest mining companies.
  8. arcgrz
    arcgrz 1 December 2012 10: 50
    -2
    Russia has to put up with it .. if it weren’t for us then the Americans were sitting there for a long time .. do you need it?
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 1 December 2012 11: 04
      +2
      Yeah ... Americans would feed them gingerbread.
    2. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 12: 11
      -1
      this is not necessary both for the inhabitants of the Asian republics and for Russia themselves. for there is no buffer zone with a likely adversary.
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 1 December 2012 11: 03
    +7
    There are a lot of industrial enterprises on their territory ... which became a stake after the growth of national identity with the expulsion of non-titular nationalities ... and historically, there is not enough brain to work for them.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 11: 07
      +2
      and here you are wrong, they have everything in order with their brains, there are engineers, doctors, and professors. that one, the Soviet school. here, as in Russia, there was a routine of the people. replacement of the proletariat with the peasantry.
  10. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 12: 19
    +3
    nor when a small state could not be sovereign to the end. I had to go under someone. an example of the Baltic states. only a large and strong state has a chance of survival. for a large state, it is not only a vast territory, but also unlimited human reserves, an abundance of resources, a strong army (certainly not one T55)). not Kazakhstan, Russia, Uzbekistan, the Baltic states, they won the Great Patriotic War, but the USSR! such a strong state, a hindrance to neighbors, because it should not be imposed on it with impunity. It was precisely for this reason that the fight against the USSR was waged. not only is a strong state, which also seriously influences external pollimtika. so are other, smaller states themselves asking for protection. ready to pay tribute, if only they were protected! Serbia to ask for Russia ......
  11. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 12: 45
    +2
    Quote: baltika-18
    Not to limit, but to stop. I have spoken about this more than once. We can’t deal with those who are present now. We won’t solve this problem until we change the system in the country. Initially, power based on deception and theft is not able to solve the problems of building and developing the state .

    All the same, limit it. We need engineers and doctors. Why not? And those who are now wandering the streets - send a single back. Visas are required. Moreover, with a high threshold of payment (or maybe a deposit to guarantee timely return), for example, 7000 rubles at least.
  12. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 12: 58
    -3
    and isn’t it easier to become a single state again and take control of these republics?
  13. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 13: 11
    +2
    Quote: survivor
    and isn’t it easier to become a single state again and take control of these republics?

    Not easier. Do you want to feed them? Pay off a percentage of your salary in their favor. Do not force others.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 13: 24
      +1
      Do you feed them? hmm .... for some reason I see the opposite! I myself, as a native of the Caucasus, work on construction sites and collective farms. and so, that’s interesting, for some reason you won’t drag Russian people into the most dirty, dangerous, low-paying jobs. I can’t talk about the whole of Russia, I observe this process in the Rostov region.
      I'm not going to force anyone, but maybe enough already play sovereignty? such games did not and will not lead to anything good. So you can play a game to Russia the size of the Moscow region. You do not want to feed them, they did not want to feed you, and if you look closely, neither you nor they really able to feed even yourself! What, in Russia there are no empty villages? What, in Russia everything is so fine and EVERYWHERE everyone is ready to work themselves? do not be like those who drove the Russians away!
  14. Galina
    Galina 1 December 2012 13: 22
    +2
    There would be no big trouble in immigration if the entrants assimilated in the new culture without opposing themselves to the local population, local traditions, and culture. Nevertheless, to a greater extent, this once happened in the Russian Empire and the USSR. This enriched the empire and often socially and culturally raised foreigners. The surname of Russified foreigners who made a remarkable contribution to the development of Russian culture, science, military art, a huge number. These people became true patriots of the new homeland. These are the people Russia needs.
    And if visitors were difficult to meet in the new conditions, then this did not come from a national difference. Social inequality spread equally to all - friends and foes.
    The situation is aggravated by the fact that the current "newcomers" neither in Russia, nor in Ukraine, nor anywhere else do not intend to reckon with local customs at all and, in general, omit the already low (we have to admit with despondency) level of local culture and public relations. Compare with the behavior of the same Russians in European countries in past centuries - they did not jump out of the framework of European customs, they learned and knew languages. Basically the same process is going on now. Examples of boorish behavior and criminal cases (just in case for those who want to talk about it) are not the rule.
    And modern talk about "rotting" non-Russians is the current ideological cliché, very convenient for politicians (both their own and those of others) and supporters of the collapse of Russia.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 13: 27
      -3
      but with this it is necessary to fight in the most decisive way, but fight not with aggression or eviction, but with education and patience. that's why I put the question like this - "can migration be replaced by reunification?" then one law for all and violation of it, a crime! I think then no one will be driven from anywhere, no one will, it is more fraught!
      1. Grumbler
        Grumbler 1 December 2012 17: 18
        +1
        Quote: survivor
        but to fight not with aggression or eviction, but with enlightenment and patience
        Believe me - they will not appreciate this, to put it mildly. Unless they begin to breed at shocking pace in new territories, and then they will crowd out your children and grandchildren.

        Quote: survivor
        I think then no one will be driven from anywhere, no one will, more is fraught!
        You think correctly - they already have almost no one to drive, but we still cannot.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 1 December 2012 14: 02
      +2
      Quote: Galina

      There would be no big trouble in immigration if the entrants assimilated in the new culture without opposing themselves to the local population, local traditions, and culture. Nevertheless, to a greater extent, this once happened in the Russian Empire and the USSR.

      Local officials are to blame !!
      1. survivor
        survivor 1 December 2012 14: 14
        0
        and it's true! +10000000000
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 1 December 2012 15: 13
          +3
          The rotten boyars, like 600 years ago, are on the path to prosperity and prosperity of an entire country. They send their children in England to study. The worst thing is that their children will sooner or later also be officials who have received an excellent Western education and do not feel anything related to their country. They will mentally be completely alien material. When all this cancerous tumor is transplanted ...
          1. survivor
            survivor 1 December 2012 15: 38
            +1
            transplant this cancerous tumor should not some kind of uncle, but you and I.
  15. homosum20
    homosum20 1 December 2012 13: 30
    -1
    Well, about engineers and doctors, you got excited. I can’t go to a migrant doctor from Uzbekistan. I think you too.
    Let them work in low-paid unskilled jobs. Thank God we have them like dirt. Literally. Cities in the mud head over heels. We have a lot of shovels, crowbars with stretchers too. So let them work.
    Order and accounting, of course, need a tough one. But here the reality in the person of owners of small and medium-sized businesses dictates its own laws, and we must reckon with them too.
    In general, there is progress. For example, from today, migrants must pass an exam in Russian. Of course, at first it will be a parody. But all major changes are evolutionary. Only cats are born quickly.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 13: 39
      +3
      hmm .... do you know a lot of Caucasians who possess such knowledge of the Russian (spoken) language as I do? and what about doctors .... my uncle was an honored doctor of the USSR and performed many successful operations in oncology. an Uzbek doctor assessed him. What kind of wind brought him to the Caucasus after graduation? I don’t know. Most likely by distribution. good doctors are everywhere, as well as bad ones! here is to confirm your qualifications ... here is the way out. if a native of the Asian republics is really a specialist, then I will trust him with my health more readily than a Russian charlatan. doctor is not a nationality. doctor is a profession! again, what kind of games of Nazism? ...- "Let them work in low-paid, unskilled jobs. Thank God, we have them like mud. Literally. Cities are covered in mud. We have a lot of shovels, we also have crowbars with stretchers. So let them work. "... Is there a huge number of high-class doctors in Russia?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 1 December 2012 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: survivor
        .my uncle was an honored doctor of the USSR and had many successful oncology operations.

        my uncle was also an oncologist, a leading specialist, but he worked in Moscow!
  16. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 13: 41
    +2
    Quote: survivor
    but maybe enough already play sovereignty? such games did not and will not lead to anything good. So you can play a game to Russia the size of the Moscow region. You do not want to feed them, they did not want to feed you, and if you look closely, neither you nor they really able to feed even yourself! What, in Russia there are no empty villages? What, in Russia everything is so fine and EVERYWHERE everyone is ready to work themselves? do not be like those who drove the Russians away!

    1. They do not play sovereignty. If you are not ready to live on your own, say so.
    2. It is possible and necessary to live in a country whose peoples represent a single whole. In my opinion, in principle, this is all of Russia with the exception of the Caucasian peoples. Well, the Russians need to create their own republic within Russia. Tatars and Tuvans have it. There must be Russians.
    3. So far, Russians are feeding the Caucasus and not vice versa, while living in worse conditions.
    4. There will be no Russian migrants — they will raise their salaries and the Russians will work everywhere, as they were, until a crowd of gamers from the Caucasus and Central Asia poured into Russia.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 13: 43
      +2
      I saw how they lived normally in 90 years .... before the migration began. what about the Caucasus, oh, so, does Russia feed the Caucasus? didn’t this issue arise when there was a lot of oil in Chechnya, but in all of Russia oil has not yet been discovered! Is the memory short?
      and about the creation of their republics in Russia .... as far as I remember the Russian SSR, the first declared sovereignty. if there is no own republic, then who declared sovereignty? that’s another question, that many people in their republic are not comfortable living, but this does not depend on visitors, but on indigenous nationality. if in Russia the law is not the same for different residents of a given country, it’s not the people of the country who are to blame, but the people who wrote this law. the fault of the inhabitants of the country is that they allowed these people to power!
  17. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 1 December 2012 13: 49
    +1
    Certainly, migrants from Russia are needed, but within the limits of specially developed quotas and under strict control. Including control is needed for the organization of foreigners using labor.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 13: 51
      +1
      and this is true !! _ 100000000000000000000
  18. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 14: 00
    0
    Quote: survivor
    I saw how they lived normally in 90 years .... before the migration began. what about the Caucasus, oh, so, does Russia feed the Caucasus? didn’t this issue arise when there was a lot of oil in Chechnya, but in all of Russia oil has not yet been discovered! Is the memory short?

    Well, you and I agreed that there is Chechnya and Russia.
    This is the opinion of most Russians.
    And my opinion is this.
    There is Chechnya and Russia.
    Russians want to live in Russia.
    And Russian does not need oil in Chechnya.
    Chechnya is not needed either
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2012 11: 05
      0
      Quote: ironman
      Russians want to live in Russia.
      And Russian does not need oil in Chechnya.
      Chechnya is not needed either

      and what else is not needed ?!
  19. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 14: 05
    -1
    Well, of course, NOW is no longer needed. but you can ask a question. why do I have a flag on a Russian avatar, but you don’t?
  20. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 14: 12
    +1
    She was never needed as a simple Russian. Maybe the Jews in the Kremlin needed it.
    Romania (rum. România) is a state in Southeast Europe.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 14: 23
      0
      Well, then I generally refuse to understand you. the fact that I understood the flag of Romania right away, I just didn’t understand, and what side do you have for this country? You position yourself as a simple Russian (and not Ruus), but at the same time you live and work not in Russia. one may ask, why. why in Russia there are no jobs? at a construction site, for example, or in the housing and utilities sector? But the Jews didn’t need oil (although it wouldn’t hurt them either, otherwise they had to wander for so many years and find the only place where there’s nothing at all))), oil was needed for the development of the state Rossiysky for tractors, cars, and so on, without her, darling, they don’t move. Again, oil was needed to defeat the enemy (if you do not remember, the German was so eager for her. It was not enough for him to come)
  21. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 14: 34
    +1
    Believe me, Russians will ride firewood better than they will be friends with Chechnya because of oil. You have an idea of ​​life as a typical Soviet person. It is important for me that everything will be fine with me and in my neighboring yard. I sneeze on the state, the country and the people are important to me. And not the politics of officials.
    At the expense of construction. of the last large (a large automobile plant in Russia) of the total construction personnel was only a Russian secretary-girl. The bosses were Turks, and the workers were Kyrgyz. What do you think if there were no Kyrgyz and other migrants, who would be workers?. Right-Russian.
  22. TROG
    TROG 1 December 2012 14: 51
    +4
    The more Gaster not come from a good life, the less the good Russian life we ​​have ...
  23. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 14: 51
    +2
    but I don’t argue with you, for I am positioning myself as a citizen of the USSR! if we talk about the country, what do you say is so important to you, then I don’t understand why you don’t work and do not live in this country? in my opinion, a very modest opinion, a person who stands for the welfare of his country is simply obliged to live and work for her good, but by no means far from her. Exclusion, diplomats, specialists, military. they are sometimes far from their country, but their work entirely contributes to the development of the country. I myself am from Chechnya, I work in Rostov-on-Don. many call me a second-class person, like many visitors, and don’t say that this is not in Russia. However, I can say for sure that I did nothing less than a native Rostovite for the city of Rostov. he laid paving slabs and carpentry (the windows I made are in the houses on the main street of the city), he was involved in cleaning and landscaping of city parks and squares. For 20 years, without medical discussion, without documents, without registration and social programs, I have made the city more beautiful and comfortable with my own hands. However, I remain a third-rate person! not a killer, not a robber, not a bargainer, an ordinary person! so where was the indigenous population? I have seen a lot of hard workers from the Rostov region, but very little from the city of Rostov! the fact that the factories were built by the hands of migrant workers of wine, not of migrant workers, but of officials and local people. why? Yes, because you need to work, and not sit under a beer to talk about where to work. There are lots of work in Mother Russia, but there are no workers!
  24. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 15: 00
    +2
    You, as a Soviet person, cannot understand that you are working not for the state, not even for the country, but for your family and yourself. You do not invent duties, officials come up with responsibilities. Are you hopelessly brainwashed? You kind of give the impression of being normal.
    I look at my work in Chechnya and did not find work. there if the work is there for a penny. And in Russia as well. Where migrants are not hired, they pay more and Russians work .....
    And where there are many migrants. You won’t earn anything .....
  25. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 15: 09
    0
    for me, that Chechnya, that the Rostov region. they work for their loved ones, you said it right, but where do your loved ones live? This aspect is important! Each person has both rights and obligations to the area where he lives and positions his Motherland. But the brains I had washed before. now I only began to understand what betrayal put your hand in your silence. in pursuit of prosperity and comfort, I was looking for a place where the ruble is longer, but I just had to look for myself in the place where you live. yes, guest workers lower prices, but nothing prevents a person from doing another thing.
  26. MG42
    MG42 1 December 2012 15: 21
    +6
    Increase fines for employers who give illegal immigrants work at times, stimulate employment for local governments should take a responsible approach to this problem, because an illegal immigrant does not pay taxes and steals work from the local population.
    1. survivor
      survivor 1 December 2012 15: 36
      +2
      But this is the right approach. exactly. it is necessary to stimulate the employment of the local population and have a clear policy on migration issues.
  27. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 15: 28
    +1
    Quote: MG42
    Increase fines for employers who give illegal immigrants work at times, stimulate employment for local governments should take a responsible approach to this problem, because an illegal immigrant does not pay taxes and steals work from the local population.

    They are not legal here either. There will be none here and the problem will disappear. Let them dig trenches.
    1. MG42
      MG42 1 December 2012 15: 44
      +3
      Quote: ironman
      There will be none here and the problem will disappear

      But how do you not understand that demand - creates supply. If there is no reason for employers to hire illegal immigrants (liability up to criminal liability, for example, for non-payment of taxes in especially large amounts, violation of labor laws, etc. ..), then these will go further from Europe in transit to catch the tail of happiness.
  28. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 15: 34
    0
    You also created the impression of a normal person .........
    By the way, my question still hung in the air.
    ........ "You position yourself as a simple Russian, (and not a Russian), but at the same time you do not live and work in Russia. You can ask why. That there are no jobs in Russia? For example, at a construction site, or in the housing sector? "..............................
  29. bubla5
    bubla5 1 December 2012 15: 48
    +2
    The time will come, if we are not late, they will stimulate the leaders who work for the local population, but you can be late as in some regions of the Russian Federation the population is dying, everywhere there is emptiness and collapse and the Chinese are everywhere
  30. survivor
    survivor 1 December 2012 16: 04
    -2
    already late! need to stimulate those who hire illegal immigrants. moreover, stimulate anally. but those who hire the local population, and even with normal working conditions, need to be incentivized with the ruble! but ........ one friend is now doing a collective farm. the village, so to speak, is trying to raise it. At the same time, I will make a reservation, he advocated, earlier, for the locals to work. More village nearby, no work. and the salary was not only high, but not low either. hired locals for two years. out of 40 people, one took root! the rest did not work. he tells .- "I pay the poultry house 13 thousand. The bird is dying. I started to pay 14, all one is dying. I ask, do you feed regularly? Answers. Yes, I arrived early in the morning. I did not tell anyone about my arrival. I see the chickens go hungry. Feed No one put them in, and the bag of food given out yesterday was gone. I ask, did you feed last night? Yes, he says. And this morning? Yes, he says. But what about the feeders are empty? They all ate. her stomach is empty. And so he says, two years. They steal fodder, steal chickens, drink. " spat at everything, took five Uzbeks and breathed freely. they feed on time, and give water on time, and manage to do the rest of the work.
  31. dirty trick
    dirty trick 1 December 2012 17: 21
    0
    Quote: MG42

    Increase fines for employers who give illegal immigrants work at times, stimulate employment for local governments should take a responsible approach to this problem, because an illegal immigrant does not pay taxes and steals work from the local population.


    Dear, please look at the problem from the other side:
    - Housing construction is carried out for the most part through the sale of apartments (the state has nothing to do with it);
    - price per 1 sq.m. not rubber, and according to your desire cannot increase (i.e. it can, but then you will not sell a single apartment);
    - You need to build a house based on current prices, i.e. You must think about how to get cheaper building materials and labor;
    - local workers are reluctant to pay your proposed salary; you have to hire even pensioners who should have forgotten about physical labor;
    - for some types of work (for example, finishing) you need 30-40 people for a couple of months;
    - Are you still not interested in guest workers?
    1. MG42
      MG42 1 December 2012 18: 41
      +4
      Quote: dirty trick
      Dear, please look at the problem from the other side:

      I will try.
      Quote: dirty trick
      Housing construction is carried out for the most part through the sale of apartments (the state has nothing to do with it)

      why the state can also build housing and sell it even free of charge to waiting veterans, large families, etc.
      Quote: dirty trick
      price for 1 sq.m. not rubber, and according to your desire cannot increase (i.e. it can, but then you will not sell a single apartment

      agreed, but that you justify the market laws of supply and demand. Illegals, how do they fit in according to what legal norms?
      Quote: dirty trick
      Still not interested in guest workers?

      No, if the employer will face a real term and multi-million fines.
      In short, with the right state. everything from incentives to births to subsidies to employers for local workers will be ok.
  32. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 1 December 2012 21: 29
    +5
    In the 90s, these same "hardworking migrants" in their national apartments were stupid to the Russians (Germans, Tatars, etc.) shouting: "Suitcase - station - Russia" and now they themselves crawled. Cattle. You wanted to live on your own so live, what the fuck ... you climb here like cockroaches, like a virus, like a plague. Do they have problems in Churkistan? What does Russia have to do with it?
    1. sams
      sams 1 December 2012 23: 39
      0
      it is not sad, but there is truth.
      ... more than one ridge Russian (Russian) has broken ...
  33. Cornflower
    Cornflower 1 December 2012 23: 00
    +2
    Let us not forget when making proposals on the introduction of a visa regime with the Central Asian republics, that many of our Russian compatriots remain there, most of whom simply do not have the opportunity to leave these countries.
  34. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 1 December 2012 23: 25
    0
    Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
    now we are an independent country

    In the sense that nothing depends on Kazakhstan.
    And your dealer of the nation did not refuse nuclear weapons, but sold it, like most of the assets inherited from the USSR. Will you argue? Then read the charters of your largest mining companies.
  35. sams
    sams 1 December 2012 23: 33
    0
    Hello!
    Did not read .. and komentov too.
    The name is enough.
    I work with Dagestanis. They say that in Makhachkala these people appeared ...
    Destabilization of the situation (if anyone does not understand).
    I listen to "battalion commander"
  36. sams
    sams 1 December 2012 23: 50
    +2
    Come on for us, Russians (without filthy) and brothers in mind (all the peoples of Russia) !!!
    We are Russian, not RUSSIAN.
    Thanks to all the nations. Together - we are force !!!
    love
  37. sams
    sams 2 December 2012 00: 05
    0
    let's take this fagot with a rose.
    Admin !!!!!! sad
    question:
    can music be offered for reading here?
  38. sams
    sams 2 December 2012 00: 34
    0
    Shot, called.
    Good night everybody.
    I’ll sit here myself ....
    Hi to admin love
  39. brush
    brush 2 December 2012 02: 46
    -3
    They offer visas to introduce migrants from Central Asia. Pure nonsense.

    Do you think Putin would not want to stop the influx of migrants? I would like, but business does not allow! The profits are huge.
    Yes, what a business, ask ordinary Russians about migrants! Those to whom they build houses make repairs for the price 2-3 times lower. Those with doorways in their houses are cleaned wordlessly.

    I don’t know for Tajiks and Kyrgyz, but the Uzbeks in St. Petersburg are immediately taken to work, only recognizing the nation.
    So this is all chatter.
  40. V world
    V world 2 December 2012 04: 01
    +2
    The increase in prices for grain products and others is observed all over the world and this is another topic ...
    As for migrants and immigrants, here is a quote from the document: The concept of demographic policy of the Russian Federation for the period until 2025.
    Here is what is planned for the 3rd, final stage (2016-2025):


    "... In order to replace the natural population decline as a result of a possible decrease in the birth rate, it is necessary to intensify work on attracting immigrants of working age to the Russian Federation for permanent residence." (Decree of the President of the Russian Federation N 1351 of October 9, 2007)

    Like this!!! ...
    1. V world
      V world 2 December 2012 20: 26
      +1
      I will explain how I can, but easier:
      If the State, by decree of the President, makes a multi-year plan! to replace the local population of Russia with immigrants of working age, what is it called ?? ...
      Genocide!!!! in a soft, democratic - demographic form ... And the results on the streets are already noticeable ... and what will happen at the end of the 3rd stage: at the end of 2024 ....
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 21: 55
        -1
        Quote: V-mir
        by presidential decree makes a multi-year plan! to replace the local population of Russia with immigrants of working age, what is it called ?? ...

        can you name the decree?
        1. V world
          V world 2 December 2012 21: 57
          +1
          N 1351 of October 9, 2007. see my top comment, already wrote ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 22: 11
            -1
            1. General provisions

            The demographic policy of the Russian Federation is aimed at increasing the life expectancy of the population, reducing the mortality rate, increasing the birth rate, regulating internal and external migration, maintaining and strengthening the health of the population, and improving the demographic situation in the country on this basis.
            .....
            3. Goals, principles, tasks and main directions

            demographic policy of the Russian Federation

            for the period until 2025

            The goals of the demographic policy of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2025 are to stabilize the population by 2015 at the level of 142 - 143 million people and create conditions for its growth by 2025 to 145 million people, as well as improve the quality of life and increase life expectancy by 2015, up to 70 years, by 2025 - up to 75 years.

            Achieving the goals of the demographic policy of the Russian Federation largely depends on successfully solving a wide range of tasks of socio-economic development, including ensuring stable economic growth and increasing well-being of the population, reducing poverty and reducing income differentiation, intensive development of human capital and the creation of an effective social infrastructure ( healthcare, education, social protection of the population), affordable housing market, flexible labor market, improvement with nitarno epidemiological situation.
            ...
            The main objectives of the demographic policy of the Russian Federation for the period until 2025 are:

            a reduction in the mortality rate by at least 1,6 times, primarily in working age from external causes;

            reduction of maternal and infant mortality by at least 2 times, strengthening the reproductive health of the population, the health of children and adolescents;

            maintaining and strengthening the health of the population, increasing the duration of active life, creating conditions and creating motivation for a healthy lifestyle, significantly reducing the incidence of socially significant and dangerous diseases, and improving the quality of life of patients suffering from chronic diseases and persons with disabilities;

            an increase in the birth rate (an increase in the total birth rate by 1,5 times) due to the birth in the families of a second child and subsequent children;

            strengthening the institution of the family, the revival and preservation of the spiritual and moral traditions of family relations;

            attracting migrants in accordance with the needs of demographic and socio-economic development, taking into account the need for their social adaptation and integration.
            re-read carefully: according to needs
            Also, read the entire decree, and don’t take phrases and paragraphs out of context,

            do you think that GDP should personally seed all to increase the birth rate
            1. V world
              V world 2 December 2012 22: 19
              +1
              Of course, I read the entire Decree! But in any document, the conclusion (final stage) is one of the main ones!
              These are all beautiful words, and no more ... there is nothing, neither in education, nor in preschool education, nor in medicine ..
              I have 2 children ... and friends have 1 or 2 ... no one wants to give birth more ... and whoever wants to, so they leave away from Russia ...
              But half of the yards are already inhabited by immigrants from Asia is a fact !!! And under this, housing and communal services and the Migration Services are making billions. According to his schemes of course !! And where there are schemes, the law is either silent or FOR!
              This is real reality!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 22: 32
                -1
                Quote: V-mir
                But in any document the conclusion (final stage) http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=21592#one of the main!

                you are not shtirlits and the decree is not a joke, besides the last one is this - To solve the tasks set in this Concept, it is envisaged to ensure a consistent and stable increase in spending on state support for families with children and the protection of public health.

                Sources of financing the costs of state support for families with children and protecting public health are the federal budget, the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, the budgets of municipalities, funds of state extra-budgetary funds, commercial and public organizations, charitable foundations and other extrabudgetary funds.

                Quote: V-mir
                But half of the yards are already inhabited by immigrants from Asia is a fact !!!

                I do not know did not see
                Quote: V-mir
                I have 2 children ... and friends have 1 or 2 ... no one wants to give birth more ... and whoever wants to, so they leave away from Russia ...
                then I don’t see any reason at all to discuss this with YOU; personally, you don’t want to increase the number of Russia; what is all this verbiage for?
                1. V world
                  V world 2 December 2012 22: 44
                  0
                  You write correctly - the main thing in this document is that the sources of financing are identified !!!
                  As for my desire to increase the number of Russia ... We can laugh together ... First of all, I have a family and I am not a social inseminator)))
                  I think raising 2 children is the minimum that I can, but even with the birth of my 3rd child, the demography of Russia will not change in any way! and Russia will not help me in any way, and I won’t ask ...
                  And if this is verbiage, then close the topic!
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2012 10: 54
                    -1
                    Quote: V-mir
                    Firstly, I have a family and I am not a social inseminator)))

                    then why all these moans, the indigenous population of the country DOESN’T WISH to multiply, the country's leadership will be forced to look for other ways to maintain the size of this population
            2. sleepy
              sleepy 2 December 2012 23: 47
              +1
              Let's settle everyone in Russia, give them a Russian job and then there will be no intolerance.
              The main thing is to take care of the rights of visiting guest workers.
              http://www.rusnation.org/sfk/0607/0607-05.shtml

              Vladimir Putin signed a concept for migrants: they will be settled, trained and cured.
              http://top.rbc.ru/politics/13/06/2012/654869.shtml

              In Russia, there are about a million labor migrants from Tajikistan.
              http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/778061/

              Putin extended the term to Tajik migrants, now they can work in Russia for three years. http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/872103-1/

              Maternity tours to Moscow from Central Asia.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEu1piUhwg&feature=player_embedded

              Russia has become a hospital for migrants.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaUBeTY3ZE&feature=player_embedded

              The policy of replacing the Russians ... continues.
              http://sinn-fein-front.livejournal.com/73337.html

              There will be no “Uzbek quarters" in the city, but there is already Uzbek Petersburg: according to the Interregional Center for the Education of Migrants, Uzbeks already make up 1/6 of the population of the northern capital.
              http://welcomespb.com/news6.html

              The Uzbeks called Petersburg the most tolerant city in Russia.
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/901247-1/

              Petersburg is becoming a city of Asian enclaves.
              http://svpressa.ru/society/article/57295/

              Petersburg will allocate 150 million rubles for the education of migrants
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/816561-0/

              Children of migrants from Central Asia will be helped to get a job in schools in St. Petersburg.
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/890043-1/

              Poltavchenko on migrants: They will want to live here, work, give birth to children. http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/902982-1/

              “Migrants often come from other climatic zones and start to get sick here,” Governor Poltavchenko took care of the health of the visitors.
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/954809-0/

              The prosecutor's office opened a reception room for migrants. Its task is to help adapt and disseminate among visitors information about possible foci of social tension.
              The public reception will help not only legal, but also illegal migrants.
              Police and FMS will help prosecutors.
              http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/916157-1/

              Russian bus drivers are fined and recruited by migrants.
              http://www.kp.ru/daily/25981.4/2913929/

              MOSCOW IN HEAVEN.
              http://m-hodarenok.ru/?p=23#more-23

              AT THE PLACE OF THE BARS WE CAN SOON BE ENFORCED.
              http://rodonews.ru/news_1289929282.html

              THINKING THE MIDDLE ASIAN
              http://14-sonde.livejournal.com/30681.html
              1. V world
                V world 2 December 2012 23: 55
                +2
                Exact selection! This reality is happening right now, unfortunately ....
  41. faser
    faser 2 December 2012 07: 15
    0
    One of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR is demography. The Muslim countries of Central Asia are growing much faster than Orthodox Europe. that is, after about 100 years, the USSR could turn out to be an Islamic republic. it’s just that the Russians wanted to shut themselves off from the Muslims.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 21: 56
      -1
      something new! bully
      and why did they leave the Tatars, and even the Bulbashs are not Muslims, think about your theory, didn’t work on something
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 2 December 2012 23: 57
        +1
        Tatars in St. Petersburg as their relatives.
        For them, a mosque was built in St. Petersburg.

        “In May 1881, the Tatar community of St. Petersburg appealed to the government of the Russian Empire with a request for permission to build a mosque in St. Petersburg, but the initiative of St. Petersburg Muslims did not find understanding with the authorities.
        The question of the construction of the Cathedral Mosque was again raised in 1904 at the meeting of the Russian Emperor Nicholas II with the Emir of Bukhara and received the highest permission.
        Petersburg Tatars were allowed to purchase a plot of land for the construction of a mosque.
        Then the emir donated a large sum to buy land on the Petersburg side, an architectural competition was held, and design and construction work began in the future ...
        ... Traditionally, city dwellers call mosque - Tatar mosque, it is located on the Petrogradskaya side, at the corner of Kronverksky Prospekt and Konny Lane (near the Gorkovskaya metro station). "
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 3 December 2012 00: 11
          +1
          And what do the Central Asians turn the Tatar mosque during their holidays ... many Tatars don’t like it,
          and that is to say the least.

          "100 thousand Muslims will celebrate Eid al-Adha in St. Petersburg ...
          On October 25, adherents of Islam will gather at the Cathedral Mosque on the Gorkovskaya ...
          http://gazeta.spb.ru/899606-1/

          The first deputy mufti said that in St. Petersburg, adherents of Islam will pray on the laws of their faith
          in the Cathedral Mosque on Gorkovskaya,
          in the quarter mosque on Repishchev in the Primorsky district,
          in the prayer rooms on Salova 52,
          and at Chernigovskaya, 15 (metro station "Moskovskie Vorota").

          Due to the celebration of Eid al-Adha, "Gorkovskaya" on October 25 will be closed at the entrance.
          http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/898715-1/

          Eid al-Adha on Petrogradskaya street: beggars, trash, crush on the subway and traffic jams (photo, video).
          http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/905298-1/

          "... the Tatar community of St. Petersburg appealed to the government of the Russian Empire for permission to build a mosque in St. Petersburg"
          http://dum-spb.ru/sankt-peterburgskaya_sobornaya_mech
          Traditionally, residents call the mosque - the Tatar mosque.
          And traditionally in St. Petersburg they respect the Tatars, only the mosque will now be called differently.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 3 December 2012 10: 36
          +1
          a heavy impression was left by this branch of neither analysis nor logic, only hatred and obstinacy recourse
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 4 December 2012 03: 17
            0
            Because of demography, which country has collapsed yet - for example?
            Why did the USSR collapse?
            Maybe it’s not a matter of demography, but hatred and betrayal?
  42. max111
    max111 2 December 2012 09: 25
    +2
    If the countries of Central Asia are limited in resources, let them pursue a restrictive birth rate population policy.
    The annual increase in labor force in the republic is about 100 thousand people.
    They want to populate all of Russia or don’t know from what children are born. Even animals, depending on which year adjust their breeding, only residents of Central Asia can not do such long-term planning
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 09: 37
      -3
      Do not know, do not write! Such a policy is being carried out, but I would not want to raise this topic - too much noise may be raised about this ...
  43. Magadan
    Magadan 2 December 2012 10: 56
    +3
    Quote: baltika-18
    I am not going to live under capitalism. Capitalism is a dead end branch of the development of civilization, from which there are two ways out: either a military conflict with a decline in living standards, loss of part of the population and subsequent restoration to the previous level

    I fully support! From the private trader in the present world with the current complex production no sense! Private traders are only able to sew slippers and open cheburechnye. Therefore, in Russia over 20 years not a single large private industrial enterprise has appeared.
    The economy should be planned. The state must own strategic sectors. This is the basis. And from above, let private owners mold their travel agencies, shops, discos and Coca-Cola.
    There would be socialism now, there would be no problem with migrants. Tajikistan would most likely have a large order for cotton and melons and have a job at home. Well, maybe they would have done some assembly shops. And so, one mess, bureaucrats-thieves, trade in raw materials and raider seizures.
    1. Wanderer1980
      Wanderer1980 2 December 2012 14: 40
      -1
      Magadan, "how much in this word ..." wink
      Absolutely agree with you.
      The truth would be a little paraphrased. The question is not in the private owner, the question is in "private ownership of instruments of labor and means of production"
      Capitalism has its own mission: "Whatever happens, profit must grow."
      At the same time, state ownership makes it possible to implement a more equitable "redistribution of profits". Not everything is one, but everything is for everyone.
      The socialist economy was closely connected with cybernetics, in terms of control systems and systems analysis. Having the opportunity to build an economy through mathematical models has given serious advantages. Plus, the most important thing is the elimination of illiteracy and a general rise in the moral and intellectual level.
  44. ironman
    ironman 2 December 2012 11: 13
    +1
    Quote: Magadan
    I fully support! From the private trader in the present world with the current complex production no sense! Private traders are only able to sew slippers and open cheburechnye. Therefore, in Russia over 20 years not a single large private industrial enterprise has appeared.

    Yeah especially from Samsung, Siemens, Apple and Microsoft. Well, they only do shit, unlike the Russian state corporation Rusnano!
    With such rulers in the Kremlin, we will continue to be the most advanced. And Rusnano will make the most, I am sure, the gluttonous and gigantic processor in the world (Especially for areas of the far north). And for the news of the state-owned corporation - the Housing and Utilities Reform Support Fund, the unfortunate households of Denmark and Canada will be in line, wanting to see a black hole in the budget and not in the sky.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 3 December 2012 00: 19
      0
      Quote: ironman
      "And Rusnano will make the most, I'm sure, the most gluttonous and giant processor in the world."
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 3 December 2012 08: 55
        0
        smiled sleep))) really what can Chubai do? ...
  45. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 14: 26
    0
    [img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OadH6ejakPM [/ img]
  46. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 December 2012 14: 27
    -1
    Foremost

    what does not it remind ?!
    I apologize for the name in YouTube I did not immediately see and looking for another source is lazy!
  47. Spooky
    Spooky 3 December 2012 10: 09
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    80 rich people live in Uzbekistan, whose fortune is $ 30 million or more. Last year, the number of local multimillionaires was only 75, according to the report of the international consulting company Wealth-X “World Ultra Wealth Report”.
    The total fortune of Uzbek multimillionaires is $ 12 billion, last year this figure was $ 11 billion.
    Kazakhstan is the leader in the list of Central Asian republics: 140 multimillionaires live here with a total fortune of $ 20 billion. Over the past year, the republic lost 15 rich people.
    In Tajikistan, the number of people owning assets of $ 30 million or more amounted to 40 people, as in the previous year.
    Data for Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan are not presented in the World Ultra Wealth Report.
    Russia with 1145 multimillionaires was in 9th place in the ranking of European countries in the number of richest people, but over the year it lost 145 megabytes. The top of the list is Germany, where 15.770 multimillionaires live.
    The largest number of owners of multi-million dollar fortunes was recorded in the United States - 60.280 people, in total they possess $ 8,3 trillion. Over the year, their number increased by 2250 people.
    In total, the authors of the World Ultra Wealth Report report counted 187.380 multimillionaires, their combined state is $ 25,8 trillion.
  48. survivor
    survivor 3 December 2012 11: 03
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    in short, everything is as always. a bunch of emotions, love and clarification of relationships through castingpoop minuses of the opponent. plainly no decent analysis, no suggestions, smart how to improve this process. eh, on the internet there are millions of similar information and hundreds of thousands of similar resources, but everywhere the same ....