The Thin Line: How to Distinguish Discredit from Healthy Criticism

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The Thin Line: How to Distinguish Discredit from Healthy Criticism


New times - new customs


When a state conducts, so to speak, large-scale hostilities, there must be at least a minimal understanding of the seriousness of the situation in society. But since now in Russia it is very far from this very understanding, one has to resort to non-trivial solutions.



In a long list of toughenings, one of the latest was the law approved by the Federation Council on life imprisonment for high treason, as well as on the deprivation of acquired citizenship for discrediting the army. Now, dissemination of knowingly false information about the army faces a fine of up to 1,5 million rubles, forced labor for up to 5 years, or imprisonment for up to 15 years.

For someone in Russia such news became an analogue of the end of the world, someone took it calmly, and someone greeted. All doubters should be reminded of the bitter historical experience of discrediting the Russian army, a return to this threatens with disaster. To begin with, let's return to the Afghan war, which ended just at the height of Gorbachev's glasnost. Then they didn’t even know about the concept of “discrediting the army”, and everyone remembers what this led to. Tens of thousands of war veterans turned out to be not only unnecessary for their country and people, the Afghans were also humiliated at every step:

"We didn't send you there!"

Such a society could not last long, and we all know how the story.

The media, without hesitation, called the soldiers aggressors, and the officers - grabbers and smugglers. A vivid example already from our time is the film "Brotherhood" of the 2019 model, after which you want to spit on director Pavel Lungin. Four years ago, they also did not know what "discrediting the army" was.


But Afghanistan was not enough for the liberal public - in the 90s, the "pacifists" got to the veterans of the Great Patriotic War. “Two million raped German women”, the atrocities of the NKVD, the total plunder of Nazi Germany and the icing on the cake - the identification of Stalin and Hitler. If it had gone on like this, we would have been paying reparations to the Germans by the middle of the XNUMXs. And here, too, no one remembered the consequences of discrediting the army.

Around the same time, it became fashionable in the liberal crowd to quote the supposed opinion of Voltaire:

"I don't agree with a single word you say, but I'm willing to die for your right to say it."

A sort of quintessence of freedom of speech and tolerance for other people's opinions, covered with the indisputable authority of a thinker. The fashion for saying has not passed until now - enemy channels broadcast it with enviable constancy. Only now the author of the maxim was the writer Evelyn Hall, who inserted a popular expression into the biography "Friends of Voltaire". There is no evidence that Francois Marie Arouet, whom we know under the pseudonym Voltaire, said something like that. This is another quintessence that demonstrates the essence and level of the modern liberal public. Especially among the youth.


Therefore, when another “truth-lover” from the screen groans about tougher punishment, remind him what happened in our country a few decades ago. Now several hundred thousand of our fighters are in a special operation - what kind of Russia will we show them after the Victory? Rotten through and through after a heap of "exposures" and fakes about war crimes?

Now is not the end of the 80s, when the most bitter lies often did not go beyond the kitchen conversation. Now any idiot is able to concoct a fake, and it will immediately scatter around the world - at the expense of the same idiot distributors. The second year of the special operation is underway, and Russia still has unhindered access to enemy propaganda. We are talking about Internet resources that both flourished and continue to feel quite comfortable in our country.

Let's fantasize a little for fun. The example is rough, but the current situation is a bit like the distribution of the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter in the USSR in 1941-1945. Of course, in a good literary translation. Was it necessary to beat on the hands with a red-hot poker those who delivered the newspaper to homes and schools in those days? Hypothetically, of course. And now what to do with those who spawn fakes about the Russian army?

Don't throw the baby out with the water


All of the above does not negate a simple question - how can we now distinguish between the facts of discrediting the army and healthy constructive criticism?

The laws of the functioning of society are very complex, but one thing is clear - every citizen who overly feels himself the savior of the Fatherland will try to look for traitors in everyone he meets. An illustrative example is the hero of the special operation, military doctor Yuri Yevich, who was denounced for "statements that are aimed at creating a negative assessment of the RF Armed Forces in view of the SVO." Common sense, fortunately, prevailed, and the surgeon was cleared of all charges.

On the one hand, such examples show that justice will prevail in any case, but on the other hand, now some will think eight times before they publicly report on the problems of the army.

If we follow the letter of the law, then under Article 207.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, criminal punishment may occur after the public dissemination under the guise of reliable messages of deliberately false information containing data on the use of the RF Armed Forces in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens, maintain international peace and security. Article 280.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provides for liability for public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the RF Armed Forces in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens and maintain international peace and security.

According to the cries of the enemy public, one might think that now every second one is being packed under an article on discrediting. The number is really amazing - hardly more than 150 criminal and administrative cases for a country of 147 million. Moreover, as many as 53 have been handed over to the court so far. No, I am by no means calling for everyone who blurted out too much to be thrown into the dock, but the numbers really show the state of affairs.

A country that, so to speak, conducts large-scale hostilities, in fourteen months of the NWO actually judges a little more than fifty traitors and alarmists. Such are the things.

Nevertheless, each of us must feel the inner thin line that separates criticism from discredit. As one exiled French-American citizen and Channel One host used to say:

“There is no censorship in Russia, but everyone has internal self-censorship.”

Each of us understands that the events in Irpin and Bucha in the spring of last year are a wild staging and lies, and the publication of the facts of a shortage of medicines and shells at the front is criticism that should lead to adequate consequences. And not only from the Ministry of Defense, but also from volunteers who raise funds for modern first-aid kits.

Can the public influence the work of the military department through the publication of critical materials? Not only can, but must. In many respects, it was precisely for this that the institution of war correspondents was born. The terrorist attack in St. Petersburg, which took the life of Vladlen Tatarsky, eloquently illustrated how important the work of our military correspondents, so vehemently hated by the West, is for Russia and our Victory.
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  2. +43
    April 28 2023 04: 50
    I think that neither the author, nor anyone really knows this border between discrimination and criticism.
    1. +9
      April 28 2023 07: 59
      But it is very convenient .... For some categories wink
      This is generally a common thing, and even where the boundaries ..... are outlined quite clearly, their one vegetable is blurred ....
    2. +14
      April 28 2023 08: 05
      "I think that neither the author nor anyone really knows this border between discrimination and criticism."
      everything will depend on the desire of concerned citizens. and there are plenty of those. any other opinion will be called discredit with all the consequences
    3. -13
      April 28 2023 08: 10
      Discrimination is deliberately false information! You should not disseminate information whose accuracy you cannot personally confirm! stop for ordinary people, this means that you can only distribute officially announced information, or, for example, comment on video evidence, but without fiction on your part! For example, you can’t spread information and shout everything is gone using the video from Deutsche Welle as evidence! tongue
      And criticism is already a discussion of confirmed information voiced by competent people, or a discussion of reliable videos. For example, Prigozhin's statement about the hunger projectile is confirmed information bully
      1. +25
        April 28 2023 12: 52
        It is interesting, but how to distinguish between who caused the most harm - the one who did not withdraw 300+ billion dollars from foreign banks, or the one who wrote impartial things about Nabiulina?
        The one who wrote about the work of "managers" of import substitution or these "successful managers" themselves?
        The one who asked about the reason why Zelensky is alive and Kyiv is still in place, or the one who regrouped near Kherson?
        Instead of writing about the problems of mobilization, what if someone from the authorities himself reported this to the president, that he almost had to hit the table with his fist in order to start putting things in order?
        And about the conscripts in the NVO zone at the beginning of the operation, would the military commanders also report to him themselves?
        And notice, for any of the reasons, not a single ordinary person will be able to provide documentary evidence, so that's it, a traitor or what? But after all, everything is exactly the opposite - not to mention the problems, you only doom yourself to their repetition.

        The question, as always, is not in the law, but in its application.
        For a long time and we didn’t say - to friends - everything! Enemies - the law!

        And about Prigogine ... just to show how even on his example such a law can operate - and what does it have to do with confirmed or not? Revealed classified information? The enemy also took advantage of it, hitting the flank and knocking down the neighbors from their positions (assuming that such information is not a trap, in principle,)? Well, everyone, consider that you are already a traitor, right?
        1. -12
          April 28 2023 17: 19
          What are you all mixed up in one heap!
          Over 300 yards you can criticize without problems, this is confirmed information! The right to be dissatisfied with such a mistake is not disputed, you can try to demand punishment for those responsible for the mistake, but be careful because your right to demand is regulated by other laws! lol
          Which is worse depends on the effect, we blew 300 yards, but righteous anger poured into riots and power paralysis during a war can lead to defeat in a war!
          Revealed problems and discussion are not lies, but a fact, and therefore this is not discrimination, this is criticism, and for this, as I know, no one was attracted!
          In general, the main thing is that all the edges are seen and the stick is not bent
          1. +6
            April 28 2023 23: 08
            What kind of war are we talking about? The Russian Federation is conducting an NWO, that is, a police operation. Where it conducts it is a separate conversation. Everything that the State Duma has feverishly adopted, to bring and bring in accordance with the Constitution, in places there are direct contradictions.
            1. -1
              April 29 2023 21: 17
              How long has the police been using tanks, artillery, satellite communications and strategic aviation?
      2. +15
        April 28 2023 13: 04
        If you believe the "officially announced information", then how many times have we destroyed the entire Ukrainian army with its equipment. Hence the question, who is discrediting whom with such information and who to trust?
        1. 0
          April 28 2023 15: 17
          An indicative example is the doctor Yuri Yevich.

          Everyone is talking about him, but no one has voiced or denied his words.
        2. -2
          April 29 2023 04: 36
          and you will ride through the cemetery. why take a word? there and count the losses. throw away those cut into organs (missing), estimate that right now the Wehrmacht has enough people right on the streets to plug holes at the front, and here you will have a picture about the Ukrainian army.
          By the way, can you give a reference to the fact that we officially "destroyed the Ukrainian army several times"?
      3. +1
        April 28 2023 15: 12
        You mixed up the terms discrimination and discredit (or mistyped?). And it seems to me that the line is not at all thin: "public dissemination of deliberately false information under the guise of reliable messages." Of course, there may be nuances in the definition of "knowingly false information" - unverified sources, erroneous information, etc., so you need to check before spreading it to a wide circle. And the replication of gossip and rumors has nothing to do with criticism.
        And, unfortunately, there were always enough fools and peregibschikov. Sometimes you have to fight for the truth.
      4. +8
        April 28 2023 20: 09
        Here people confuse discrediting with discrimination, but at the same time they know exactly how to plant it correctly.
    4. -8
      April 28 2023 11: 06
      I think that neither the author, nor anyone really knows this border between discrimination and criticism.

      I think Comrade Stalin answered this question (well, or someone from his entourage).
      Criticize, suggest.
      Suggest - do it.
      Of course, this excludes a crowd of amateurs from the most interesting process of blaming the army.
      1. +10
        April 28 2023 11: 29
        I propose to stop supplying gas and oil to the West. I propose to send generals with relatives in Ukraine to the eastern districts. Finally, I know how to cross the Dnieper by autumn. But who needs it.
        1. -1
          April 28 2023 13: 49
          Finally, I know how to cross the Dnieper by autumn. But who needs it.

          AND? Is there a real plan? what
        2. 0
          2 May 2023 15: 04
          I propose to stop supplying gas and oil to the West.

          the country's budget is already bursting at the seams, are you ready to compensate the state for the revenues that it will lose because of your proposals?
          I propose to send generals with relatives in Ukraine to the eastern districts.

          here, surrounded by me, the most fierce fighters against the "Ukronazis" (in words, at least) have close relatives in Ukraine. Why shouldn't the generals have the same views? they consume something else propaganda?
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      3. 0
        April 29 2023 16: 57
        Quote: bk316
        Criticize, suggest.
        Suggest - do it.

        It is nonsense. If you start following it without having the appropriate set of powers, then it will lead you straight to one of the many articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in the range from "arbitrariness" to "organization of an illegal armed formation." And this is not to mention the corresponding set of resources that the criticizing person is invited to look for on his own, in contrast to the criticized person, to whom they are issued from taxpayers' funds.
      4. +1
        1 May 2023 22: 31
        "Criticize, offer. Offer - do." // Such relationships can be somewhere with equal or almost equal positions. Here, for example, in a student team someone suggested something, and they told him: Do it, since you offer it, otherwise how to do it, everything is in the bushes. But an ordinary soldier will make a valuable offer, for example, to the regiment commander, so he needs to do it himself, especially if the case requires a team, other weapons, other devices?
    5. +17
      April 28 2023 12: 13
      And this blatantly unconstitutional law:
      "The Federation Council has passed a law on life imprisonment for treason, as well as on the deprivation of acquired citizenship for discrediting the army."
      Directly contradicts parts 1 and 3 of article 6 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:

      1. Citizenship of the Russian Federation is acquired and terminated in accordance with federal law, is uniform and equal regardless of the grounds for the acquisition.

      2. Every citizen of the Russian Federation has on its territory all rights and freedoms and bears equal responsibilities provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

      3. A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deprived of his citizenship or the right to change it.

      If you want to deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation (and this is urgently necessary) - deprive any citizen of the Russian Federation, born or naturalized, change the Constitution.
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    8. +17
      April 28 2023 18: 00
      Quote: ASAD
      I think that neither the author, nor anyone really knows this boundary between discredit and criticism.

      If the boss “overlaps” a subordinate, this is criticism.
      If a subordinate points out to the boss about mistakes in the leadership, this is discrediting ...
      * * *
      Gas prices will go up...
  3. +36
    April 28 2023 05: 22
    Now several hundred thousand of our fighters are in a special operation - what kind of Russia will we show them after the Victory?


    A strange thought. recourse People who have watched death already have a heightened sense of reality. You might think that they will understand this viper of political scientists of fakes and anti-fakes.
    The "Institute of War Correspondents" has long been "combed" and has evolved "from Zvinchuk to Kassad." For reasons understandable to the authorities, information about our losses is at the level of isolated cases. This makes the statistics of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine meaningless.
    ps I have never come across information that really discredited soldiers and officers from the front. The problem is probably something else.
    1. +21
      April 28 2023 06: 04
      The problem is that cases often begin to appear in courts, as filed against a military doctor in the Kaluga region or against Strelkov-Girkin. Many go to extremes.
      1. -2
        April 28 2023 13: 24
        "VK" is the military commissariat, excuse me please?
        1. +1
          April 28 2023 14: 23
          Aaaaa, I understood this "VKontakte".
      2. -4
        April 29 2023 05: 03
        Well, the state does not want to see a talker in the ranks of the army, who back in 2015 (about the army and the state) prophesied so much that it would last another ten years. And 0,0 came true. I can understand. plus his friends, the oligarchs involved in the start of the civil war in 14.
        minus - Prigozhin invited him to his place, even if he didn’t stroke his fur, but this is a real opportunity to participate, though not in the format that Girkin probably expected
    2. +21
      April 28 2023 08: 01
      So the problem is typically political officer ..... No need to talk about puddles and goyazi and they will become clean expensively. Actually it is not necessary to clean and repair them.
      1. -8
        April 28 2023 13: 45
        So the problem is typically political officer ..... No need to talk about puddles and goyazi and they will become clean expensively. Actually it is not necessary to clean and repair them.

        I think that it is impossible to write about your army and country in mocking insulting tones, with a distortion of surnames, for example, and generally as if it were someone else's country and army. It must be taboo. Specific reliable, but impartial facts can be stated. But to avoid a hundred questions "why?" per paragraph of text. Let them ask the prosecutor to specific individuals.
        1. +8
          April 28 2023 14: 43
          Let them ask the prosecutor to specific individuals.

          And how often does he ask?)
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            1. +12
              April 28 2023 13: 14
              Colleague, please keep within the boundaries of mutual respect with your interlocutors. Even, and especially when their point of view differs from yours.
              And yet - rubbish, this is not when you devalue the efforts of ordinary fighters, their lives and health, given up for a future victory, with stories about "little bloodshed and on foreign territory" (listen at least to the respect with which the same Prigozhin speaks about losses , as well as how often he has to do this), chernukha - this is precisely your political officer (and by no means commissar) approach to the most painful topic - people's lives. It’s not that you devalue the feat of our guys with your hats, but you also do it boastfully, accusing others of insufficient patriotism ... really a political officer, I won’t be surprised that you also “know the form of the report.”
              We must honor those who fell at the hands of the enemy, take care of the wounded and do everything for the living, and definitely not pretend that the first two groups simply do not exist ...
              Yes, this victory will be hard for us and at the cost of the lives of many people. But we should not dilute their sacrifice by pretending that they simply did not exist and everything was a cakewalk.
              No matter how many dead there are, we must remember and honor the memory of each of them. Remember yourself - don’t the 27 million who died in the Second World War show the tension with which the Victory was given to us then, do they at least somehow devalue the significance of May 9, 45?
      2. +5
        April 28 2023 11: 12
        People see how many coffins with the bodies of our soldiers come from there.

        Well, yes, I see it too, and believe me much more than you. Since I not only sit and drink at the VO, but also participate in the volunteer movement.
        However, I was taught for many many years back in the USSR that it is impossible to draw conclusions without having the necessary amount of information, and even more so to draw conclusions based on emotions.

        By the way, I think that you can’t even imagine how many wounded we have, especially light ones, I have many acquaintances who have already been to hospitals 4 (FOUR) times. Pah pah returned to duty.
        1. +3
          April 28 2023 11: 47
          Thank you for participating in the volunteer movement. We also take part, we collect trench candles, tactical stretchers. I imagine how many wounded we have, and I see how many fellow villagers died in our area
          1. -25
            April 28 2023 12: 06
            You just balabolka name your area? JUST AREA. Are you able to do this?
          2. -21
            April 28 2023 12: 57
            Don't you remember me? You have a girl's memory. But I'm on this channel much earlier than you and I know both your writings and you as flaky. I wrote here from Ukraine, there used to be flags here. But unlike you, I never had time to write a lot. I am an active officer and have always been engaged in real business, but you are anti-Russian propaganda. But there is a limit to everything... You know that?
            1. -9
              April 28 2023 20: 56
              Quote: Igor_Bozhko
              But unlike you, I never had time to write a lot. I am an active officer and have always been engaged in real business, but you are anti-Russian propaganda. But there is a limit to everything... You know that?

              Here half is engaged in anti-Russian propaganda! And in their defense, they immediately recall the USSR - "great, mighty and just." In turn, I would like to understand, and who sold this USSR for grub, clothes and used foreign cars?

              So, dear, there are WWII veterans who defended the country in the forties, there is a younger generation defending the country today, and there is a Judas generation, on which patriotism "rested".

              These are those who gave you a bunch of minuses, and I plus!
          3. -18
            April 28 2023 14: 54
            And that's all you can minus?! Did you remember the area where you live?))
      3. -8
        April 28 2023 17: 03
        Where are you and what do you see? Any war means death and injury. Go, dick, show me .. Zasr .. lany Cossack. These are the ones you should start with. I lived in 60 and .... Stalin was always remembered with RESPECT. ALL. But Khrushchev, even with him, was vilified like the last cattle. And Gorbachev. In general, this freak should be covered with manure in the grave and rolled up with asphalt on top. And in the history textbooks, write in huge letters that such a de-ge-not-r-at lived in the USSR. .
    4. +2
      April 28 2023 20: 53
      Quote: samarin1969
      ps I have never come across information that really discredited soldiers and officers from the front. The problem is probably something else.

      This is precisely the attitude of Russians towards their defenders; care, respect and understanding of the gravity of the lot that fell on them, causes a feeling of envy and annoyance in those who, being in the public eye for decades, have not shown themselves to be NOTHING BUT TALKING.
  4. +12
    April 28 2023 05: 36
    Quote: ASAD
    I think that neither the author, nor anyone really knows this border between discrimination and criticism.

    If you really approach this issue creatively, you need to plant everyone ... and those who discredit the army and those who sympathize with them, and those who write denunciations against them and those who accept these denunciations ... all this has already happened in the history of Russia, the USSR and no longer time ... every time we step on the same rake.
    This is all a waste of time ... because the source of problems remains ... the country again turned out to be unprepared for a war in which it was necessary to keep the media and social networks under full cap and control in advance, as the Chinese and North Koreans did.
    In our case, it turns out that three ambassadors of countries hostile to us can freely, after the trial of Kara-Murza, immediately on the steps of the court building, openly engage in slandering our country ... request and nothing was done to them except for empty words ... and our citizens see all this and draw conclusions about the weakness of power.
    How can the authorities then demand something from citizens, is this a direct decriedation of our state?
    These ambassadors were supposed to kick out of our country in 24 hours ... but we see that they remained and now they are again preparing dirty tricks for us in another place.
    Such are the cases.
    1. +13
      April 28 2023 09: 30
      ... Keep the media and social networks under full cap and control ...

      And who exactly will "control"? Can I have a list? All the same faces that are?
      And why on earth some uncle or aunt, not controlled by the people, will decide what can be said and what is not? Why are there not enough existing ACs and Criminal Codes to stop illegal actions?
  5. +16
    April 28 2023 05: 45
    When you talk about the role of culture, you hear in response, they say, here are your representatives of culture and ran. In those who ran away, there is not a drop of anything from culture. For them, the main thing is to stick out themselves and cash. When Notre Dame Cathedral burned, some people regretted it, while others said, "Burn, burn bright." "Well, you're OK." The kid is not even four years old. A mountain of muscles will save the world. What nonsense. A person of correct behavior is usually modest. And this is also considered a vice today. When there is no criticism in state publications, it appears from below. And in what form, read above.
  6. -15
    April 28 2023 06: 52
    How to distinguish?
    Simple.
    "What is the strength in, brother?"
    In truth.
    1. +10
      April 28 2023 08: 04
      But who needs it, your truth? (c)
      Not to mention the fact that these very truths are a great many .....
  7. +17
    April 28 2023 06: 54
    What kind of criticism can we talk about when comments are deleted here on VO when you write the truth about the situation on NWO
    1. +14
      April 28 2023 08: 27
      What kind of criticism can we talk about when comments are deleted here on VO when you write the truth about the situation on NWO

      And how Konashenkov discredited with his "information", and Pushilin with his "news" from the press service, which Prigozhin immediately refuted. I’m not talking about Marochka, finally they stopped quoting him on VO, like Yuri Podolyaka. And the "brilliant" Pegov with his directed videos, which he learned back in Karabakh at the direction of his boss Gabrelyanov, it is Gabrelyanov who is the founder of WarGonzo.
      1. +8
        April 28 2023 09: 52
        Quote: Konnick
        I’m not talking about Marochka, finally they stopped quoting him on VO, like Yuri Podolyaka.
        But there are sweets ... both for myself and for that guy wassat
        1. +3
          April 28 2023 11: 39
          But there are sweets ... both for myself and for that guy

          He became such a guy after a vacation and visiting the president for a conversation, but at first he made honest reports ...
  8. +7
    April 28 2023 06: 55
    The eternal problem, acquiring new details:
    1. 0
      April 29 2023 15: 51
      Make a fool pray to God and he will hurt his forehead - you can safely write it down as obsolete. True, folk wisdom does not age, but sometimes it is expressed more modernly: Give a fool ... .... he will break him.
  9. G17
    +19
    April 28 2023 07: 05
    The author tries in vain to observe the principle: "Both strangers and yours. And we will sing and dance." The Law "On Discrediting", as shown by the case of Yevich and Strelkov, is primarily intended to shut the mouths of those who sincerely worry about the army, talk about its problems, explain the real state of affairs and criticize mediocre high-ranking "lamp-bearers" so that the state of affairs is corrected in better side. And the law must be clearly spelled out in such a way that the blow is delivered exclusively to all this liberal-fascist evil spirits, which have been carefully nurtured in Russia for the past 30 years.
    1. +14
      April 28 2023 08: 11
      "And the law must be clearly spelled out in such a way that the blow is delivered exclusively to all this liberal-fascist evil spirits, which the same evil spirits have been carefully nurturing in Russia for the past 30 years."
      It seems to me that this law, with its vague wording, was just made by the very evil spirits "which have been carefully nurtured in Russia for the past 30 years"
      1. +7
        April 28 2023 09: 38
        The law can be spelled out thoroughly, but how it will be read is another matter.

        Well, here's our classic:
  10. -13
    April 28 2023 07: 13
    Quote: samarin1969

    ps I have never come across information that really discredited soldiers and officers from the front. The problem is probably something else.

    You don't have to go far. It's worth taking a look. Sometimes it’s enough to go over the comments on VO. Of course, they manage to clean something up, however, often traces of dirty tricks remain.
    For example, no later than yesterday, under the article "The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reports on the attacks of Wagner attack aircraft on Ivanovskoye, which is on the Artyomovsk-Konstantinovka highway," two outright bastards can be observed. But it gets even tougher.
    1. +17
      April 28 2023 08: 15
      "you can watch two outright scoundrels. But it can be even cooler"
      now the opinions of interested persons have already flown. Well, write to the Prosecutor General's Office about these "scoundrels". I see you are mature. the law is for you. and a sense of deep satisfaction...
    2. +17
      April 28 2023 09: 31
      Quote: Tagan
      You don't have to go far. It's worth taking a look. Sometimes it’s enough to go over the comments on VO.

      Don't look for enemies there. Take a closer look, the enemies are at the very top of the pyramid of power, thanks to their efforts we have what we have, and here mostly non-indifferent people speak out for whom the fatherland is not an empty phrase and a feeding trough for enrichment.
      1. +1
        April 28 2023 10: 15
        Quote: lis-ik
        Don't look for enemies there. Take a closer look, the enemies are at the very top of the pyramid of power, thanks to their efforts we have what we have, and here mostly non-indifferent people speak out for whom the fatherland is not an empty phrase and a feeding trough for enrichment.
        It is very funny to watch when some scarecrow that has not yet existed on the site for a year begins to accuse a long-term user of insufficient patriotism, liberalism, or in general, of working for some Tsypseo wassat
  11. +7
    April 28 2023 07: 14
    The whole difference is in the minds of those who want to see this difference.
  12. -3
    April 28 2023 07: 20
    Unfortunately, the fact is that kinks will be required. "Make a fool pray to God," and Evitch is just the first sign. And fools have not yet been canceled, unfortunately.
    As to the need for such a law. Sorry, even our dear friends are intensively turning this site into a garbage dump, despite the fact that the moderators are not sleeping here, unlike, for example, RIA on their site ... This is in addition to what was mentioned in the article - the formation of public opinion is a weapon, and a favorite weapon our enemy, it is foolish to think that they will not use it. So the world's first ministry of truth, not information, but naked propaganda, was founded precisely in Britain, in WWII ... And it was already recognized as a weapon in the USA, banning its own propaganda ... Don such and such ... Broadcasting to the United States - we can do without the slop from the Voice of America and Radio Liberty - it’s very bad for the brain
    1. -1
      April 28 2023 09: 18
      Unfortunately, the fact is that kinks will be required.

      excesses come from misunderstanding. misunderstanding from ignorance. ignorance from ignorance. ignorance from lack of culture. if it's just a layman.
      but there are also hidden ones, who put on the guise of an inhabitant and drown for "freedom, liberality and tolerance"
  13. +14
    April 28 2023 07: 21
    The Thin Line: How to Distinguish Discredit from Healthy Criticism
    So how to distinguish? Not even the characteristic features of this thin line are indicated ... "- It's better for me to remain silent," thought Alice. This time, since she did not utter a word, no one said anything, but, to her greatest surprise, everyone thought in unison (I hope you understand what "thinking in unison" means, because to tell the truth, it's not clear to me):
    - Better shut up! Do you know how much a conversation costs? A thousand pounds - one word!" (c)
  14. +17
    April 28 2023 07: 53
    What you sow is what you reap. Since the coup of 91, on all TV channels, the mass media taught how to grab, betray, spit on the Motherland, history, they pushed the enemy language instead of Russian into all the cracks from the closet to the pub. And now thieves teach honesty , LGBT morals, traitors to patriotism. Even now, some are "more equal" than others. Chubais, Pugacheva and Galkin were released, Sobchak was released, my mother is sitting in the Federation Council, instead of Kolyma. , plant those who trade in strategic raw materials and resources with the enemy, those who are striving with all their might to make agreements with the enemy, instead of defeating him.
    1. +17
      April 28 2023 08: 09
      Chubais, Pugacheva and Galkin were released, Sobchak was released, my mother is sitting in the Federation Council, instead of Kolyma

      You don't understand, it's different
      Otherwise, you will have to remember how many deputy prime ministers (and prime ministers)), carriers of state secrets, by the way, are no longer with us laughing
      1. +14
        April 28 2023 09: 32
        Quote: frog
        You don't understand, it's different
        Otherwise, you will have to remember how many deputy prime ministers (and prime ministers)), carriers of state secrets, by the way, are no longer with us

        So they don't give up. It's all one team.
      2. +2
        April 28 2023 13: 30
        As it is no longer with us, have we really remembered that ice axes are not only about ice?
        1. +2
          April 28 2023 14: 49
          Not with us at all. True, when they were with us, they were still not with us. laughing . But there is a nuance .... Iced, in fact, he got out and achieved it. First reputation, then, however, an ice ax). These were appointed. But who is it? feel
  15. -7
    April 28 2023 08: 08
    All power to the Soviets!

    "I don't agree with a single word you say, but I'm willing to die for your right to say it."

    In a word you can kill, in a word you can save,
    In a word, you can lead the shelves behind you.
    In a word, you can sell, and betray, and buy,
    The word can be poured into smashing lead.
    But the words to all the words in our language are:
    Glory, Homeland, Fidelity, Freedom and Honor.
    --------- Vadim Shefner, 1956 ---------


    I can’t even imagine when during the Second World War we would be allowed to broadcast Goebel propaganda - this is nonsense. So why are we, waging a war with the West, whose goal is to destroy us, should today allow their propaganda to freely fool us?

    How to distinguish criticism from criticism:
    Stalin liked to repeat this expression, said by Korolev: "Criticize, criticize - offer, offer - do, do - answer! ". This is the criterion for determining who is who.

    What to do.
    Shut off internet immediately (media) with unfriendly countries - without exception!
    Those who escaped from the SVO, who shied away from service in the army - to deprive them of voting rights. If you don’t want to defend the Motherland, don’t take part in its political life. Such persons cannot be voters and be elected.

    ps
    TV. First channel. Instead of showing the film "The Challenge" on April 12, as planned, they moved the screening date to April 20 - Hitler's birthday.
    TV. Russia. "60 minutes". There is not a single day that they would not advertise LGBT.
    1. +7
      April 28 2023 08: 31
      Immediately turn off the Internet (media) with unfriendly countries - without exception!
      This is the wrong decision.
      The USSR, if you remember, lost not on the battlefield to the West, but in the information space. So there is no need to repeat the mistakes of the past. hi
      1. -15
        April 28 2023 09: 04
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote: Gomunkul
        This is the wrong decision.

        The word is control. If a person would not need to manage, we would still mumble. To allow enemy control on our land means to lose the war.
        It is unacceptable!

        ps



        Quote: Gomunkul
        The USSR, if you remember, lost not on the battlefield to the West, but in the information space.

        We haven't lost. We have been betrayed!

        ps
        By the way. There is no document testifying to the collapse of the USSR. Nobody can provide it. It is for this reason that the UN still has such a country as the USSR.
        1. +1
          April 28 2023 20: 17
          Remove LGBT propaganda from the comment immediately! Otherwise, action will be taken!
    2. +2
      April 28 2023 17: 06
      How to distinguish criticism from criticism:
      Stalin liked to repeat this expression, said by Korolev: "Criticize, criticize - offer, offer - do, do - answer!". This is the criterion for determining who is who.

      What to do.
      Immediately turn off the Internet (media) with unfriendly countries - without exception!
      Made it? If not yet, please answer.
  16. +13
    April 28 2023 08: 12
    Right. But, as they say, there is a nuance: the responsibility for the lives of people on the battlefield and the freedom of critics in the body exists with impunity and mutual responsibility of the “corrupt leaders”. And this is key, especially when “critics” write about unresolved problems of theft and nepotism, and their “goals” use in response “criticism of SVO participants” for self-defense.
  17. +8
    April 28 2023 08: 23
    Each of us understands that "wild staging and lies" and "healthy criticism" are concepts so dependent on the political moment that it is better to keep quiet.

    Deputy Grinev from Krasnoyarsk is accused of discrediting)
    "Today, the Ethics Commission of the Krasnoyarsk City Council judged me ... The prosecutor said that Kherson is under our control .." - end of quote))
    1. +4
      April 28 2023 13: 32
      Soooo maybe this one is the "prosecutor" of these very ones and is really under "our control" laughing
  18. +11
    April 28 2023 08: 26
    The time is such that your "Patsreots" become more terrible than the enemy, the enemy can be killed, destroyed, and it's even scary to shut up your own, especially where the thread is in VK, you just need to write a little bit the wrong letter - they directly flock articles and "peck" you with labels about cisso And so on. Just a terrible and painful inadequacy, perhaps partly paid for, I noticed that with the beginning of the SVO, a lot of females divorced in the comments, they are like a sentinel detachment, they are the first to attack))
  19. -12
    April 28 2023 08: 47
    In other words, the article raises the question of how to distinguish a traitor, an alarmist and a patriot of Russia. Very simple. In the USSR there was a film where an elderly man asks a girl leaving for the front in 1941, answer me, you are the Red Army, what was not enough? We would have taken off our last shirt and given it to the Red Army, if only she had everything!!! He speaks with pain in his heart about it. This is a patriot and his pain is clear to every person now. A real Russian person with a soul. Are there traitors and alarmists on this channel?! Yes, I have! And they are visible to everyone, including the administration. These are traitors and those who were shot without trial in the most difficult first years of the war in the courtyards of our cities in 1941. Remember what?! A patriot loves his Motherland like a MOTHER and that says it all. Mothers are also different. But she is a single mother. Patriot has one! And this is a traitor and the one who is looking for how to inject more painfully ... The one who deliberately sows panic. CONSCIOUSLY. What is not clear here?
    1. +19
      April 28 2023 11: 24
      Quote: Igor_Bozhko
      A patriot loves his Motherland like a MOTHER and that says it all. Mothers are also different. But she is a single mother. Patriot has one!

      That's exactly what one is. If my motherland is the USSR, but as for me, the evil stepmother came, then what? I tolerate her, but no one will be able to make her love me. Here you go. I am not a patriot.
      Quote: Igor_Bozhko
      And the traitor is also the one who is looking for how to inject more painfully ...

      That is, you have to sit and keep quiet when this stepmother smacks frank jambs. Otherwise, a traitor. So what?
    2. AUL
      +11
      April 28 2023 13: 52
      Quote: Igor_Bozhko
      In other words, the article raises the question of how to distinguish a traitor, an alarmist and a patriot of Russia. Very simple.

      He said a lot of beautiful and correct words, and at the same time managed to essentially say nothing and not answer the question. It's called demagogy. This is how those who will "separate the sheep from the goats" will explain their decisions. Alas...
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  21. +5
    April 28 2023 08: 58
    The problem is that dissemination of deliberately false information is designated as discredit. But in the army (especially if it is actively fighting), secrecy is very important. Evidence of falsity (in the form of a guilty verdict) or the veracity of information (in the form of its absence) essentially means a violation of the secrecy regime. And if you are still guided by military expediency and keep military secrets, then it turns out that the principle of legality no longer applies (and it is still unknown which is worse).

    And no one canceled the "fog of war". Distinguishing false information from the truth is extremely problematic. Even those with the highest clearance levels. Even for those who receive information directly (not without reason there is a saying "lies like an eyewitness").

    But on the other hand, sometimes even a blatant lie may not discredit anything, but rather create a positive impression (this is often used in propaganda). And vice versa - the publicity of the purest truth can greatly undermine the reputation if this truth is "inconvenient".

    Misinformation of the enemy (including through open sources) is also an important part of the intelligence struggle. But those who lead this fight may now actually be outlaws in their own state for which they are fighting.

    This is the main ambush. "False" information acts not as an antonym for "true", but as an antonym for "official". In fact, this already discredits official sources.
  22. -7
    April 28 2023 09: 12
    Nevertheless, each of us must feel the inner thin line that separates criticism from discredit.

    No. Everyone's feeling is different. it should be limited only by law. and the investigator is obliged to find the line and give a legal assessment of certain actions. lawyer - present arguments and evidence. court - to take into account all together and decide: guilty or not.
    ... the disclosure of the facts of the shortage of medicines and shells at the front is criticism that should lead to adequate consequences.

    in this case, the critic MUST provide the sources from which he learned the information. Anything can be croaked. if the source is unreliable - you are welcome!
    hoping for understanding at the present time is useless. liberalism and tolerance overwhelm people. and the enemy reptiles disguised as them are a dime a dozen. this can be seen from the way they even downvote pro-Russian commentators. but some people don't care, ratings are more important
  23. +10
    April 28 2023 09: 16
    But the liberal community was not enough in Afghanistan - in the 90s, the "pacifists" got to the veterans of the Great Patriotic War. “Two million raped German women”, the atrocities of the NKVD, the total plunder of Nazi Germany and the icing on the cake - the identification of Stalin and Hitler.
    Oh, how subtly, the author avoided the issue of the Chechen wars, especially the first one. Already there it seemed that the "pacifists" were deployed in full (the films "Block Post" and "War", V. Mironov's novel "I was in this war", etc.), but the truth-seeker is silent. So there is no faith in such articles, sorry hi
    PS By the way, Stalin and Hitler, not so long ago, she identified Maria Zakharova, beloved by many jingoists here, and nothing - they continue to write from her with boiling water
    1. +5
      April 28 2023 13: 33
      And here, as they say, the fish was wrapped. hi
  24. +1
    April 28 2023 09: 41
    obviously, for thirty years, at least, there is still an "ideological Politburo" headed by an incognito gray eminence, otherwise, after the first liberal identification of Stalin and Hitler, this "mouthpiece" would have been waiting for a prison. But the "mouthpieces" after the first test saw that nothing threatened them for this, and off they went. By the way, liberals began identifying Stalin and Hitler at the same time when, at the Victory Parade, someone began to close the Lenin Mausoleum with shields, thereby confirming that you would not wait for portraits of the Great Stalin at this great Holiday, which led the Soviet people to Victory over Hitler. And since the Lenin Mausoleum is still disguised at the Victory Parade and not a single portrait of the Great Stalin is visible, it means that this "ideological Politburo" is in effect, and its head, the gray eminence, falls down with laughter, pointing at us and at the Constitution, where it is written for us that in Russia should not have an ideology ... And this cardinal has a million liberal political officers, starting at a higher rank like Shvydkoy, Medinsky and Bondarchuk and pumping ordinary liberal plankton in social networks and on regional TV and the media.
    Only yesterday the film "Penal Battalion" was discussed as an example of a special humiliation of Stalin, the Red Army, and the Special Department of the Red Army. Simultaneously with the humiliation of the Red Army, Hitler's soldiers were exalted there. And what, the film "Shtrafbat" was banned? Don't be ridiculous! After the "Penal Battalion" Bondarchuk released his "masterpiece" "Stalingrad", where the Nazis live and breathe "humanism", and the Red Army soldiers with the slogans For Stalin, For the Motherland on their lips are just barbarians and cruel nonhumans ...
    For some reason, I’m sure that after Russia’s victory in the Northern Military District, the officers who returned from those fronts will not be allowed to ask what country you will show us after the Victory. They will give you a drink and a snack, but whatever questions you ask the liberals, it’s neither!
    And that the author of the article wants to spit at Lungin, then I join. But the Lungin-like ones will wipe themselves off and shit on Russia further. And they are not ready to die for the truth. On the contrary, they are ready to kill the truth! And you can’t scare them with a spit, on their “great” business of watering the Motherland and its soldiers with mud
  25. +6
    April 28 2023 09: 46
    This is just sophistry.
    "We didn't send you there!" is a reaction to the failure of power.
    Mothers and sisters did not really send their children there. Sent in the first place the power.
    Therefore, if the authorities did not provide a decent attitude, then what is already there.
    This is not the case with WWII veterans. But with the veterans of Vietnam and Iraq in the United States, they wrote, there is.

    And dipped in brown in the first place Power. Evil Chekists, unarmed soldiers, various dirt and lies - on whose money films were made, articles were written, fakes were thrown in, they talked about galoshes and NIEM superjets (instead of the run-in Tu and Il)

    And if today the authorities and the media write one thing, and tomorrow the exact opposite (Remember Naryshkin's "clause" about the LDNR?), then it remains only to complete the reality ourselves. Luckily I already have experience...
    1. 0
      April 28 2023 10: 10
      We Were provided and worthy... When, in what year, the Afghans and others like them were deprived of benefits and payments..?
    2. +9
      April 28 2023 10: 16
      You are confused, dear. "We didn't send you there" is a phrase of officials, representatives of the authorities. And I've never heard that from any mother.
  26. +3
    April 28 2023 10: 02
    "Now there are several hundred thousand of our fighters in a special operation - what kind of Russia we will show them after the Victory" ... (c)
    Show them a damn video from Red Square, Prospekt Mira...
  27. +3
    April 28 2023 10: 06
    The article, apparently, in order to slowly instill in the minds and strengthen - a rumor about the isolation of the Russian Federation from the Internet
  28. +6
    April 28 2023 10: 23
    Every year, the understanding of what you can do in your (sort of) country and what you can’t do is decreasing more and more. Is a pawn free if it can only move forward 1 square, and then, at the will of the chess player? Of course, there is nothing useful in replicating rumors and negativity, on the other hand, how can one draw some kind of watershed between healthy criticism and discredit in a system that seeks to monopolize all sources of information already traditionally? The system historically (and quite a long time already) simply longs for the violet color to turn into green for the "little people" at the wave of the "big people". No, they don’t seem to want to go overboard with this stick, but they consider it necessary to have such an absolute opportunity. And then anything can grow out of this, and history shows that the chances are not small.
    For example, when there was a Caribbean crisis, the official position of the USSR was that there were no missiles in Cuba. If SUDDENLY some group of owls. citizens crawled out to click their claws about this, they would be marinated for a sweet soul, having soldered this very discredit. But, as we now know, there were missiles. But the leadership denied it, the propaganda denied it, and so. part of the society excited by this was also inclined to deny it. Inside the society of believers - an unbeliever is a heretic (like Giordano Bruno, for example), and no one cares that he may be right.

    How, within a system striving for a monopoly on information and wholesale secrecy, can one distinguish between factual analytics and this very discrediting? The system will claim that the Sun revolves around the earth, citing cast-iron "like arguments" from the writings of the holy fathers and "great men", respectable people will nod their heads wisely, stroking their white beard - what will your facts and arguments be against the background of this magnificence? :)

    Of course, a number of characters since the beginning of the SVO have frankly broken through the bottom, sliding into a frank anti-state line - just hellishly sharp after their traditional anti-corruption investigations. At the legal level, something would have to be done with these characters, but was there any point in wetting the ants with napalm? In the choice of means between surgical and prophylactic, our country over and over again, with some kind of insane relish, loves to choose precisely surgical ones - after all, it is much more fun to produce criminal cases and ornate laws that contribute to this than to form an environment in which people will not have different sad moods , on the basis of which so much goes so well !

    According to the NWO, society has a lot of questions, this can be seen even in the VO. But no one is in a hurry to debatably answer them. So there will be criticism - but the fact that some of the critics will "plant" will not make anyone feel better, IMHO. At the same time, an excessive transition to personalities has not yet made any criticism useful.
  29. +9
    April 28 2023 10: 54
    But what about when the officials themselves spread deliberately false information?))) Is this discrediting, covering their own butts or "you don't understand, is this different?)))
    1. +4
      April 28 2023 11: 47
      Quote: JD1979
      But what about when the officials themselves spread deliberately false information?))) Is this discrediting, covering their own butts or "you don't understand, is this different?)))

      This is a military ruse and misinformation of the enemy.
  30. -1
    April 28 2023 11: 06
    The author raised the right topic. And the problem concerns not only discrediting. There is a Law (good or not very important anymore). And the problem is created by the Interpreters of the Law on the ground. Faced in due time as one and the same situation prosecutors (judges) of neighboring districts evaluate ABSOLUTELY differently. According to YOUR interpretation of the law. And it happens that the Plenum of the Supreme Court (clarification of ambiguous situations, for those who do not know) is not a decree.
    Even an excellent, correct and timely Law may well be flushed down the toilet by bad law enforcement practice.
  31. 0
    April 28 2023 12: 22
    Without essays on the Great Patriotic Soviet Information Bureau, the picture of what is happening would be dull.
    Sholokhov, Grosman, Simonov, Tvardovsky, Polevoy and other war correspondents - bearers of the truth!
    Truth must be spoken and written!
  32. +7
    April 28 2023 12: 31
    This is a very fine line. An INDEPENDENT review must be carried out. There is also an emotional factor, as well as a provocation. Of course, it is necessary to punish for the proven. Here are just a sanction - up to 15 years looks like overkill. Billionaire embezzlers and swindlers are given conditional, or up to 10 years, murderers and rapists also often receive more than 25 years. In the first place, I would fine and 1,5 million is quite justified. But with a relapse, you can put him in jail for 2-3 years, so that a person thinks. Most will understand the mistake and return to normal life. And 15 years for fakes is the slaughter of their own citizens, even if they are not loyal.
    1. 0
      April 28 2023 23: 56
      That's the point. Shut up, scare, trample on any attempt to ask for their jambs. On February 24, 2022, the system, unexpectedly for itself, jumped out of its comfort zone and found itself in a situation where it was necessary to draw conclusions, make real decisions and respond to changing situations. Fighting the West and trading gas with it in peacetime are two big differences. From that and sausages it, the system. The world has turned upside down for the Russian hucksters and the old footholds are gone. And then, nurtured for 30 years, the liberda gets confused underfoot and interferes with the construction of braces. Moreover, in the changed conditions of a real threat. And it would be necessary to press it and it is impossible, it is the foundation of the system.
  33. +9
    April 28 2023 14: 15
    Quote: Boris55
    Immediately turn off the Internet (media) with unfriendly countries - without exception!

    The Internet is generally an invention of unfriendly countries. Like smartphones and computers. Break everything. Down to the ground
  34. +5
    April 28 2023 15: 42
    A man was recently taken out of the subway somewhere just because the passenger sitting next to him thought he was reading "the wrong websites."
    The author is right. Soon - only in my kitchen and only in a whisper
  35. -4
    April 28 2023 16: 11
    Quote: AC130 Ganship
    A man was recently taken out of the subway somewhere just because the passenger sitting next to him thought he was reading "the wrong websites."
    The author is right. Soon - only in my kitchen and only in a whisper

    Shot, nothing else.
  36. +7
    April 28 2023 16: 20
    My opinion is that legislation on discrediting the army, the feelings of believers, extremism is a road to nowhere, or rather to the abyss. Especially criminal liability and real terms of imprisonment.
    This was already done in the USSR with censorship and infallible leaders and the party ... What it led to is known.
    Only our own citizens and leaders at different levels of our country do not have knowledge of our problems. The situation at the front is excellent known to our enemy. So who is this all for? For the people or those who are afraid of him?
    If you need a tool to fight for the truth and responsibility for publications, introduce economic leverage and the article for slander has not disappeared anywhere.
    If a significant part of the citizens do not believe the state or any other media, this is not a reason for those who do not believe to shut their mouths and impose the only true opinion.
    With the beginning and development of the NWO, many deceptions became self-evident and it became simply impossible to pretend that everything was going according to plan. Or rather, everyone who said this - discredited themselves first of all.
    Blocking communication channels, information resources because they are pouring lies - well, so-so strategy in the 22nd century.
    The question is to restore the trust of the authorities and the state media - this requires work and results, and not shutting up dissenting mouths and even openly lying mouths. I'm not for people not being held accountable for outright lies, or even worse, aiding the enemy. I am against witch hunts. I am for openness and equal responsibility before the court and women money and the colonel general. And even a greater responsibility of a general than a soldier.

    Nobody calls for the printing of the coordinates of the location of units, defense plants, but if T-64s are sent to the front, and not Almaty, it’s a fact and hiding behind a fig leaf and a going SVO and not talking about it is deceiving yourself and fellow citizens ...
    By the way, the law does not say that it is valid for the period of NWO. So the SVO will pass, and the tool to imprison dissenters will remain, just honest citizens who do not want to measure themselves against the collapse of the country ....
    All these laws are written either by illiterate, but very convenient deputies, or by people who do not need self-control and personal responsibility.
    Let's already adopt a law banning criticism of state power, equating criticism of the authorities with criticism of the country, and criticism of the country with criticism of the armed forces. And under cheerful marches we will move forward to fascism ....
    I find it funny and bitter to read from these hypocrites about discrediting the army. Not our Government, for 20 years in a row, financed films abundantly pouring shit on the graves and the memory of our ancestors? Until their skin started to burn, they just didn't care about it ...
    Have these figures created our analogue, the answer to YouTube, Twitter, Facebook? Did they support patriotic bloggers?
    Maybe attended to the pensions of war veterans?
    And then they will be sincerely surprised why the people voted so wrong ...

  37. aba
    -1
    April 28 2023 16: 27
    You can say the right words for a long and tedious time, give examples and demand toughening. But all this does not make sense, since 30 years ago the country abandoned the socialist ideology, but in return it not only did not offer anything new, but fixed the non-ideological status of society in the country's basic law and raised exemplary and diligent consumers. And now we are surprised that there is no understanding. Just these people have an understanding: they have lost in the level of consumption. And even the appearance of God in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will not correct this situation.
  38. -6
    April 28 2023 17: 37
    Each critic has a pick in his hands and forward to chop the ice on Indigirka. The government and the army cannot be wrong, and whoever does not understand this, let the polar bear tell it. Here you are not some kind of Israel.
  39. +1
    April 28 2023 17: 39
    The problems of the army should also be raised, so we need good infantry fighting vehicles, we say the army needs them. The most important thing in this war is the very understanding of why we need an army, its strength and its constant development for the defense of the country. The army was conceived for the defense of the country. I see discredit only in the support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    It is necessary to solve the problems of the army, first of all it is ammunition, not to look for extreme
  40. +3
    April 28 2023 18: 04
    An illustrative example is the hero of the special operation, military doctor Yuri Yevich, who was denounced for "statements that are aimed at creating a negative assessment of the RF Armed Forces in view of the SVO." Common sense, fortunately, prevailed, and the surgeon was cleared of all charges. I don’t understand, but article 306 of the Criminal Code doesn’t work for us dashed off a denunciation - filed a case against Yevich dropped the charges - get charged in the return line for 306 and a kick from the authorities
  41. -2
    April 28 2023 18: 36
    If, after discrediting, measures are taken and the situation is corrected, then this was criticism. And if it is impossible to eliminate critical remarks, then discrediting.
  42. +1
    April 28 2023 18: 45
    The line is unsteady, so smart people criticize in Aesopian language.
  43. +1
    April 28 2023 18: 46
    The author of this scribbling can be safely imprisoned for treason! I don’t like a lot in my country, I scold and criticize because I want it to become better!
  44. -2
    April 28 2023 18: 58
    To begin with, let's return to the Afghan war, which ended just at the height of Gorbachev's glasnost
    You just don’t need to compare the fighting of the 40th Army with everyone else after that. Completely different, in terms of goals, objectives, in some part - in terms of results .... sad
  45. -5
    April 28 2023 19: 51
    It was high time to do this. The trouble is that they dragged it out for a long time. It was necessary to do all this with the start of the special operation.
  46. -3
    April 28 2023 19: 56
    It was high time to do this. And not to pull the cat by the tail and look into the mouth of the world community, but what will it say on this issue. How many lives could be saved. And everything comes from impunity. not some late night show.
  47. +1
    April 28 2023 20: 22
    I am for a worthy strong state! Let it provide for my parents! And there I will already defend all this! But so far I don’t see anything
  48. -1
    April 28 2023 20: 41
    All of the above does not negate a simple question - how can we now distinguish between the facts of discrediting the army and healthy constructive criticism?


    So the authorities will determine, he knows better.
    Today it may not be a discredit, but tomorrow it will suddenly be a discredit?
    Or suddenly the bosses will change, and the new one will have different views?
    We don't know.
    There are "competent authorities" for this, they know it.

    And it is better for reasonable and cautious people to be silent now and look at "law enforcement practice."
  49. +1
    April 28 2023 20: 42
    A vivid example already from our time is the film "Brotherhood" of the 2019 model, after which you want to spit on director Pavel Lungin.

    Hmm ... The author is a whiner
    Watched this movie. I won't say I liked it. But!!!
    Why not??? Yes, there is such a point of view. Or when they begin to reveal the side of the fact that this also happened or could have happened, everyone immediately gasps and makes faces of liberalism, by the way.
    Or, according to the author, we should be shown cheap propaganda films where everyone is happy.
    Has anyone ever heard of what cinema is? And why was it invented?
    For the author of the article: there are no good and bad people in the war, there are losers and winners. In Afghanistan, we unfortunately were in the role of losers. And there were cases of moral decline, and I'm not going to judge people who went through this fall. You just need to understand that all this cheap nonsense about the fact that our brave warriors, etc., etc., is no longer interesting to anyone. In war, as in war, but the main thing is to remain a man, someone's nerves are giving out, psychology is such an unconscious thing, you know, Jung was like that, haven't you heard ??? And you don't need to, honestly.
    And the author, saying something about liberals again, is ridiculous, because he himself is even more liberal, like all of us here with you, he just doesn’t understand it. Before you drive on liberalism, read the Lord already, what is it all about.
  50. -3
    April 28 2023 20: 48
    All of the above does not cancel a simple question - how can we now distinguish between the facts of discrediting the army and healthy constructive criticism?
    So, well, as "comrade" Muller said, does the author have specific proposals? bully
  51. +2
    April 28 2023 20: 53
    Common sense, fortunately, prevailed and the surgeon was cleared of all charges.
    This is good!
    On the one hand, such examples show that justice will prevail in any case, but on the other hand, now some will think eight times before publicly reporting the problems of the army
    Any sane person would doubt the first statement, but the second - yes...
  52. +4
    April 28 2023 21: 03
    The article about “discrediting”, of course, does not pursue the goal of “protecting our guys at the front from streams of dirt.” It reads:

    Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 280.3. Public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in order to protect the interests of the Russian Federation and its citizens, maintain international peace and security, exercise the powers of state bodies of the Russian Federation, provide assistance to volunteer formations, organizations or individuals in fulfilling the tasks assigned to the Armed Forces Forces of the Russian Federation.


    The article is not (!) about discrediting the Armed Forces, but about discrediting them use. And not about a specific SVO, but about any use that the government calls “protecting the interests of the Russian Federation.” Moreover, “execution by state bodies of the Russian Federation of their powers” ​​is already a direct ban on any criticism of state bodies without reference to military actions. This law does not protect the army, but the authorities. Protects "use" rather than being used. And there can be no division between “discredit” and “fair criticism” here, because the first includes the second. Definition according to Ozhegov: "DISCREDIT, I say, I destroy; -anny; owls and nesov., someone-what. To undermine (undermine) trust in someone, to belittle (to) someone. authority". Fair criticism not only undermines trust and belittles the authority of the person being criticized, it does it much more effectively than unfair criticism. Therefore, they brought charges against Evich completely in accordance with the letter and spirit of the law, but they dropped the charges "manually" due to the fact that these unsightly the letter and spirit of such a resonant example were highlighted too clearly, but ordinary people without fame, reputation and intercessors in the same situation would have to face the law in all its severity.
    1. 0
      April 29 2023 08: 45
      A very intelligent comment.
      Therefore, they brought charges against Evich fully in accordance with the letter and spirit of the law, but they dropped the charges “manually” due to the fact that these unsightly letter and spirit were highlighted too clearly in such a resonant example. But ordinary people without fame, reputation and intercessors in the same situation would be exposed to the law in all its severity
      Absolutely right (as they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye)!
  53. -2
    April 28 2023 21: 17
    Quote from: odisey3000
    It was high time to do this. And not pull the cat by the tail and look into the mouth of the world community and what will it say on this issue. How many lives could be saved. And everything comes from impunity. The authorities are doing everything right. And the people need to explain that there is a war , and not some kind of night show.

    What is the time to do? And who and what should explain to the people? In my opinion, this is the prerogative of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Remember in July 1941? Only then did Our Supreme One speak simple words, and in conclusion make a specific conclusion, and set a task, which four years later his troops completed in Berlin!

    But what about another person in the position of Supreme Commander, and the tasks that he set? Feel the difference... . sad
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  55. +1
    April 29 2023 05: 27
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    It’s very funny to watch when some scarecrow who has not even existed on the site for a year begins to blame a long-term user

    In this case, the author of the comment came to the site a year earlier than you)
    Or did you mean something else?
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  57. +1
    April 30 2023 01: 05
    Compensating for the lack of a clear information policy with repression is a so-so method. First, the dominance of potentially hostile information platforms in the country, the lack of a clear ideology, and lame social mechanisms.
  58. -1
    April 30 2023 14: 04
    Interesting. It was high time to voice such a problem. Only from here comes another: analytics and science, incl. pro-government agencies operate not only with known information, but also with forecasts and hypotheses calculated for the future. Should I plant here too? Then all analytical support from the authorities must also be sent to the zone...
  59. 0
    1 May 2023 18: 50
    The Thin Line: How to Distinguish Discredit from Healthy Criticism

    The very same opinion on such a resource as VO raises a question for the author of the opinion: Don’t you see the border?
    If one native Muscovite from Chirchik tells another native Muscovite from Bukhara that it is good to live in Moscow, everything can be solved, if there are good people, then these are personal opinions.
    And if the same builder-finisher from Vladimir tells a builder-road builder from Perm that there are so many Uzbeks that they hire only Russians for hard work and pay so that they don’t die of hunger - this turns out to be nationalism. And the Prosecutor’s Office begins to hunt the Ivanovs, Kirills and Stepans. Defender of the Russian land.

    So it is with discrediting and criticism.
    Do you know the difference between discredit and criticism in the mayor's eyes? You can even criticize the President. Do not you know? Better keep quiet. Otherwise, the phrase about the lack of ammunition, which was voiced by dozens of official media and hundreds of Voenkor channels, but not voiced by the Ministry of Defense, will be blamed and blamed on you. Did the Moscow Region write about this? No? All. Discredited.

    It may sound stupid, but this is how the mechanism works.
  60. -1
    1 May 2023 21: 40
    When the wife says to her husband: he scattered his socks again and why should I turn off the light for you and in general will you have dinner or not, you wanted it - I poured it. This is healthy criticism. And if the wife says to her husband: why are you drunk, like a pig, and where is the salary? Did you drink it? How can you spend your entire salary on drink? I won't feed you, you parasite. You are an alcoholic, you will be fired from your job. This is discreditation.
    IS THE HINT CLEAR OR NOT?
  61. 0
    4 May 2023 12: 47
    Everything will depend on the judge ... How much he contributed, so much will be calculated for dubious guilt ..
  62. 0
    4 May 2023 17: 37
    The discrediting of the army began with the words - this is a peacekeeping contingent. The discreditation of the army is caused by the policy itself - which, as a punishment, lies to the whole people saying how fluffy and kind they are and then is seduced by the next sending of the military to a hot spot. So you write when people are waving their fists after a fight. You allow your army to be discredited right away by saying that this is not a war, but some kind of operation - it feels like some guy is standing over them with scissors and every word of honor is ready to cut off part of the tongue. So is it the fate of the people to always be deceived? Of course, the words “peacemakers” look discredited, so that their tongues wither from such formulations - peacekeepers with ladles for drinking blood, obscurantists of politics. Are you not smart enough for a fair policy of military invasions? If the Kremlin has an army that needs to be sent to work, then be honest - say so, we are warriors and our job is to fight, our job is to be the same international gendarme as America and there is no need to pretend to be sinless - everything is visible in heaven and everyone will answer their own words, not before an international tribunal, but before a God in whom you do not believe - but He is here in the heart and nowhere else. So don’t discredit yourself with lies at first. You want war, you are preparing nuclear bombs, you want to have military conflicts with other countries, you want and are doing everything for this. You swear in the political arena, you are rude, you stir up the fire of war. It is obvious.