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Anatoly Wasserman "To become part of European civilization, we will have to give up on ourselves"

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Russia has incorporated elements of many other civilizations, and this fusion has formed something independent

As for the single common European home, it is necessary to understand very clearly: Russia is not Europe, nor is it Asia, but a separate civilization. All experts on the understanding of what civilization is in this respect are completely unanimous.

Russia has incorporated elements of many other civilizations.

Russia has incorporated elements of many other civilizations, and this alloy has formed something independent, unique and irreducible to any of the components of the alloy. Therefore, when we talk about the European House, civilizational values ​​and other common words, we should understand that behind these words there are essentially different ideas about life. Suffice it to recall the abundance of hypocritical terms given by Anglo-American politicians, just to not admit even to themselves that they are constantly waging aggressive wars in order to seize useful resources and crush competitors.

In Russia, a person who so blatantly lies to himself, to put it mildly, quickly loses his reputation. Therefore, with all our cultural similarities, there are many cultural differences. Roughly speaking, we can become part of that all-European civilization, in fact, only by abandoning ourselves in many respects. I do not think that such a refusal will bring practical benefits even to us, even to the Europeans. De Gaulle's beautiful slogan “Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals” is fair in a purely geographical sense, but unfair with respect to cultural and civilizational. At least, from the Bug to the Pacific Ocean stretches the same civilization. De Gaulle's slogan would mean in fact the division of this civilization into parts.

As for such technical trifles as a visa-free regime, these are real trifles. Suffice it to recall that even a century ago no one ever heard of visas, and I suspect that in another century everyone will forget about them. Of course, it is nice to have the possibility of visa-free travel, and for some categories of business people it is also beneficial.

The pan-European home will not open its doors for us in the foreseeable future.

But we should not forget about our essential differences behind these small comforts. Although these differences do not necessarily divide us. The “Single European Home” was, of course, beautiful, as they say now, a lure, and I, too, fell for it. But, as far as I can tell, from the time of perestroika, Europe, not to mention the United States of America, which also has its own civilization, quite different from the European one, showed us that in the common European house we are not expected very much - even in the hallway.

Recall that in Ukraine, where all the leaders since the declaration of independence shouting that “our place in Europe”, the European Union has repeatedly quite officially declared that it has no place in the Union, and that the Union needs it as a free trade zone, that is, in fact as a market for Western European products, because what Ukraine is selling to Europe now is sold on very favorable terms. Ukraine actually took the dirtiest part of the work on the primary processing of raw materials. Accordingly, the pan-European house will not open its doors for us in the foreseeable future. Therefore, we should not worry. As the saying goes, visiting is good, but home is better.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 30 November 2012 10: 06
    +19
    I personally do not aspire to become a "gay European"!
    I am Russian, Russia did not go near Rome and will not be under the geyropeytsami!
    They are dying out because of their "way" of life, their laws, so let's not interfere with them! Let them die themselves and not get their shit on us!
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 30 November 2012 10: 09
      +14
      if only our youth would be protected from this plague, and it would be wonderful.
      Of course, it’s clear about us .. we will not become geyropeytsami :)
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 30 November 2012 19: 53
        +3
        Quote: sv-sakh
        if only our youth would be protected from this plague, and it would be wonderful.

        But this is very true, and it is imperative that we ourselves do not degrade into asexual mass. And the fact that in the vastness of our vast country there is such a diversity of ethnic groups, cultures and religions is great and therefore, we don’t have to snuggle among ourselves and measure who is older and who is younger and who is longer .. history, but we need to think how we save the common house from the general people and together do everything that is needed for this. Otherwise, we will not survive.
      2. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 30 November 2012 21: 02
        0
        Quote: sv-sakh
        if only our youth would be protected from this plague

        I also think about it, with education, something needs to be done urgently, with propaganda
        Western lifestyle, too ..... rot rushing. Personal opinion.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 30 November 2012 10: 21
      +11
      Well done Wasserman, it is clear that "how he thinks and writes about it", many hypocrites and lie to please the "viewer", especially his fellow tribesmen ...
      1. Nose
        Nose 30 November 2012 12: 09
        +13
        Integrating with Europe is like marrying an old woman! Granny was about to throw her sandals away. And there was no profit. One debt.
        1. mda
          mda 30 November 2012 19: 28
          +1
          Quote: Nose
          it's like marrying an old woman! Granny is about to throw her sandals away

          and drag Russia to the grave
      2. dimanf
        dimanf 30 November 2012 12: 46
        0
        ShturmKGB
        especially his fellow tribesmen ..

        due to being too loyal to his contemporaries, we have a lot of problems!
      3. Bykov.
        Bykov. 30 November 2012 17: 21
        0
        ShturmKGB
        especially his fellow tribesmen ...

        From the side, it’s probably better seen, otherwise it can be difficult for us to see ourselves.
    3. Machingver
      Machingver 30 November 2012 13: 34
      -7
      Wasserman is right, here is the confirmation:



      Federation birth injury
      Daniil Kotsyubinsky, from the book "Global Separatism as Overcoming the" End of History ", or What is the Masked Revolution?"

      The most serious among these “birth ailments” is the “genetic” inability to complete (that is, not only socio-economic, but also socio-political) modernization. For if Russia enters this path, the mechanism of escalating an insoluble domestic political conflict that dooms the state to an inevitable explosion and destruction is automatically launched.

      http://svobodu-narodam.livejournal.com/563402.html
      1. Nick
        Nick 30 November 2012 21: 02
        0
        Quote: Machingver
        The most serious among these “birth ailments” is the “genetic” inability to complete (that is, not only socio-economic, but also socio-political) modernization.

        Only a moron, either a patient of psychiatry, or a provocateur can claim this. It turns out we are in feudalism and live? Supplemented by subsistence farming, in a country with an absolute monarchy?
        Passages of your Kotsyubinsky are calculated on clinical and d and about t about in.
    4. avgysto9
      avgysto9 30 November 2012 13: 57
      -13
      a mistake, the Russian people are dying out at a frantic pace because of their lifestyle, their laws and no one is stopping us.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 30 November 2012 17: 15
        +4
        Quote: avgysto9

        mistake, the Russian people are dying at a frantic pace

        Error? Yes, but only with you. This year the birth rate in Russia has exceeded the death rate. Even before that, everything was not as bad as the statistical forecasts of the Higher School of Economics and INSOR "predicted".
        1. Volozhanin
          Volozhanin 30 November 2012 20: 35
          -1
          Do you believe the official statistics? Yes, they give birth a lot, BUT ... I have a wife in the civil service, a specialist in the department of child allowances, she says that they give birth and then come to draw up benefits, mainly ........ and and our drunk and normal families are in a clear minority. An alarming trend.
          1. 11Goor11
            11Goor11 30 November 2012 21: 22
            +3
            Volozhanin
            Do you believe the official statistics?

            Well, yes, you need to believe the unofficial! And the "echo of matzo" is generally a standard of truth!
      2. Nick
        Nick 30 November 2012 22: 28
        +2
        Quote: avgysto9

        mistake, the Russian people are dying at a frantic pace

        Left behind from life! As it’s fashionable to say now, the trend has changed ...
    5. donchepano
      donchepano 30 November 2012 19: 22
      +1
      Vaser Manu, as always +++ decent person, unlike
    6. mda
      mda 30 November 2012 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: Ardent
      I personally do not aspire to become a "gay European"!
      I am Russian, Russia did not go near Rome and will not be under the geyropeytsami!
      They are dying out because of their "way" of life, their laws, so let's not interfere with them! Let them die themselves and not get their shit on us!

      but when the remnants of the geyropa will run to us, it will be necessary to block
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 December 2012 06: 09
        0
        Quote: mda-a
        but when the remnants of the geyropa will run to us, it will be necessary to block

        Iron Curtain & Quarantine. Onishchenko on them ...
        1. mda
          mda 1 December 2012 15: 45
          +1
          Quote: Bulls.
          Iron Curtain & Quarantine. Onishchenko on them ...

          it won’t save. It’s necessary to build a wall from Europe one hundred meters high and a powerful air defense system.
    7. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 30 November 2012 19: 38
      -2
      Quote: Ardent
      Let them die themselves and their shit will not fall on us!

      Very naive. It’s just that the genotype will change, and the puppeteers will remain the same with the human material more suitable for the conquest of the Russian expanses.
      1. bart74
        bart74 1 December 2012 04: 19
        +1
        I agree with your statement. The puppeteers don't give a damn about who will stay there, and it is easier for Muslim radicals to incite us.
  2. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 30 November 2012 10: 09
    +6
    let them go through the forest, they, as a civilization, will die out soon with their fag ...
    1. bask
      bask 30 November 2012 10: 43
      +10
      I’ll just say .. LOSING ITS RUSSIAN CULTURE, LANGUAGE, ORTHODOX --- WE ARE END. In the economy, it is necessary to create a socially .. and nationally ... oriented economy .. With a full convertible ruble .. Enough of the central bank to collect Amer’s candy wrappers .....
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 30 November 2012 15: 15
        +2
        Quote: bask
        I’ll just say .. LOSING ITS RUSSIAN CULTURE, LANGUAGE, ORTHODOX --- WE ARE END. In the economy, it is necessary to create a socially .. and nationally ... oriented economy .. With a full convertible ruble .. Enough of the central bank to collect Amer’s candy wrappers ....

        What can I say, everything is right Bask. A young man thinks correctly.
      2. pogis
        pogis 30 November 2012 19: 27
        +3
        If the clergy will continue to grow rich at our expense and go to x5. What kind of Orthodoxy do you speak of? Personally, I constantly encounter unfortunately the last 7 years with werewolves in cassocks! Two or three times I wanted to remove the cross altogether after talking with
        ministers .....
        1. Galina
          Galina 1 December 2012 03: 08
          +1
          pogis
          And well, did many clergymen get rich at your expense? And you probably know everyone? No, you probably have some kind of selective knowledge, some completely werewolves. Is there such a service, or look for such ones on purpose? To tell us later.
          I, too, know many ministers of our Orthodox Church. And I can give many examples of decency, non-possessiveness, sacrifice, intelligence. And they walk on foot, and drive old cars, and expensive ones. Anything. But I don’t want to remove the cross, even if I learn something unsightly about them. God is the judge of all.
          And you are a provocateur.
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 30 November 2012 10: 49
      +8
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      will die out soon with his fag ...

      Maybe we’ll speed up their extinction ... we’ll send representatives of a bad orientation to Geyropa ... as a gesture of goodwill, otherwise they put pressure on us, especially in St. Petersburg ...
      “Milan has suspended twinning relations with St. Petersburg because of the law banning the propaganda of homosexuality, adopted by the authorities of the Northern capital, Italian media reported.
      The decision to terminate the agreement on bilateral cooperation, in force since 1967, the city council of Milan adopted by a majority vote on November 23. Local activists of the LGBT movement insisted on this step. The corresponding resolution was submitted to the council by the deputy Marco Cappato. The waiver of partnership will remain in effect until the repeal of the law on the promotion of homosexuality. Venice and Turin, which are also twin cities of St. Petersburg, may soon make the same decision. "Http://www.utro.ru/articles/2012/11/29/1086605.shtml
      Maybe they should send someone from the "Petersburg", from "Lenoblmebeltorg" as a "gesture of goodwill" ... for "temporary use" ... let him atone for the guilt in one place, copulate and multiply the Gaitalyans, otherwise they will die out ... wassat
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 30 November 2012 11: 00
        +10
        Quote: Kaa
        “Milan has suspended twinning relations with St. Petersburg because of the law banning the propaganda of homosexuality, adopted by the authorities of the Northern capital, Italian media reported.

        Imagine how Petersburgers were upset crying This is such a loss lol ! In general, I think, 99% of St. Petersburg citizens have never heard of this twinning. And these twin cities did not bring dividends to anyone, apart from functionaries who, on the same Milan and others like him, went for free at public expense as part of a cult, etc. cooperation.
      2. Nose
        Nose 30 November 2012 12: 10
        +9
        Quote: Kaa
        Milan suspended twinning relations with St. Petersburg

        Horrible!!! crying
        Everything is lost!!! Yes, they go through the forest.
      3. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 30 November 2012 20: 02
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        Maybe we will accelerate their extinction ... we will send representatives of a bad orientation to Geyropa ... as a gesture of goodwill, otherwise they put pressure on us, especially in St. Petersburg

        I would even participate in the formation of the columns and the distribution in the direction of movement.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 11: 27
      +4
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      let them go through the forest, they, as a civilization, will die out soon with their fag ...

      Yes, there is no civilization, as such, has never been. Then they died of the plague by millions, believing that the disease from washing, now they have a civilization of homosexuality. All problems come from there. In vain, Peter cut a window there, it is necessary to brick up. hi
      1. haron
        haron 1 December 2012 07: 40
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes there is no civilization


        You remind me of Europeans who thought that Kalashnikov bears walk in the streets of Russia. Judging by your statements in Europe (although this is not one country and completely different cultures), only gay men and lesbians walk in the streets in parades, while other survivors pound the dirt off their faces with a chisel.
        I dare to assure you (as a doctor) that everything is fine with fertility and hygiene. In addition, in most countries of the EEC, the attitude towards same-sex marriage is very negative ... moreover, in many European countries darlings have to disguise themselves very well, because they will receive not only by scruff of the neck smile they are so brave on camera.

        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 December 2012 07: 50
          0
          Quote: haron
          You remind me of Europeans who thought that Kalashnikov bears walk in the streets of Russia.

          No, you don’t understand what I’m talking about. I mean your laws, which go to please gays and destroy the institution of the family, which will inevitably lead to a catastrophe. Islamic dominance, finally no comment. Civilization is not only roads and communications, a lot of cars and money. First of all, is culture, and then everything else, do you have a lot of it left? And I’m not surprised how Europeans think of us when your media, as if by order, lies and continues to lie. Starting with the Georgian attack on South Ossetia, remember what your media said and now you call terrorists rebels in Syria fool True, this is an integral part of the culture, where is it with you? What is an example of your civilization, can you do it?
          1. haron
            haron 1 December 2012 08: 47
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I mean your laws, which go to please gays and destroy the institution of the family,

            Well, these laws are more likely to save gays, something like do not allow them to be lynched (they are simply covered in the Russian press as well as in Syria in the European one) and there were a lot of reasons for adopting such laws. I'm already keeping quiet about Spain and Poland (notorious Catholicos and traditionalists). Believe me, the attitude of the MOST of the population of most European countries towards non-traditionalists has only recently turned into a position of indifference, like: "yes and x .. live with you, we will not beat you anymore"
            Not a single Progean law will be able to destroy the institution of the family if the foundation is good ... strong and solid, for example, German pedantry, Polish religiosity, Swiss traditionalism, etc.
            It’s just that it’s not the point of the press to talk about normal, ordinary, everyday things to the press, it’s not yours to talk about, and every heresy is being inflated to the level of a global scale.

            Still.
            Do not judge Europe by Paris, London and Brussels - this is tantamount to a judgment on Russia in Moscow.
            It is practically impossible for people who have not absorbed traditional (in a good sense) culture to settle down in a European "village".

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And I am not surprised at how Europeans think of us when your media, as if ordered, lies and continues to lie.


            Europeans receive basic information about Russians from cultural bearers. In many countries, the Russian community and Russian tourists are a fairly large population, so the attitude towards Russians as people is not distorted by TV wink
            The attitude to Russian politics is very calm, I would say that dissatisfaction with US policy is much higher than the announced totalitarianism of the Russian government. And lastly, do you really think that if they threw some kind of information on TV, then everyone should definitely believe in it ???


            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What is an example of your civilization, can you do it?


            I will act differently and name it as they don’t do it.

            Well, for example ... they don't go into the doctor's office out of turn with the phrase I am from the village of Vani or with the phrase "I just ask the doctor ..." while scattering a line of old women. Patients do not rush to the pub on the second day after robotic prostatectomy, pulling out the catheters with the phrase "So it should be noted ...". Do not tell the doctor phrases like "I bash you, let's do cho said." This is all from the facts of communication with Russian patients here (you can write an epic) ..

            I can give examples of the real "uncivilizedness" of Europeans in our understanding.
            For example, young people are not giving way to the elderly in transport ... well, like this - if interested ?!
    4. rolik
      rolik 30 November 2012 11: 37
      +12
      What other integration into this so-called European civilized society. If a party of pedophiles was registered in Holland !!! Imagine this with us ??? And even if she suddenly, I can’t even understand from which fright they registered. How long would it last ??? 7 angry The next morning, after registering it, all active members would have been found hanged from their own members at their headquarters. Now it is not even surprising why Western tolerasts raised such a howl over the Crazy Holes case. There is no civilization, civilization there died after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact bloc.
  3. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 30 November 2012 10: 14
    +11
    Anatolia, as always, is a big plus!
    ... Russia is not Europe, just like not Asia, but a separate civilization. ...

    And this says it all, otherwise we are rushing around without understanding where to stumble. either towards Asia (the Eurasian Union), or towards Europe .... They should all look at us ......
    1. Nose
      Nose 30 November 2012 12: 13
      +10
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      otherwise we’re rushing around to stumble

      We just do not rush! Everything is clear and understandable to us. Labels from the ruble are marked.
    2. wax
      wax 30 November 2012 18: 25
      -1
      https://sites.google.com/site/civilizacium/home/civilizacium/russkaa-civilizacia
    3. mda
      mda 30 November 2012 19: 32
      +2
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      And this says it all, otherwise we are rushing around without understanding where to stumble. either towards Asia (the Eurasian Union), or towards Europe .... They should all look at us ......

      We are a EURO-ASIAN civilization and therefore must take the best from Europe and Asia
  4. botur2013
    botur2013 30 November 2012 10: 17
    +10
    What kind of Europe? We ourselves are a good half of Europe. And let them look at us with envy, and not vice versa!
  5. askort154
    askort154 30 November 2012 10: 18
    +7
    What do you say? ..... Clever.! I do not like Jewish bankers and oligarchs, but
    I respect Jews - not living for the sake of money, but living for the sake of science and art and
    patriotic to Russia. Unfortunately, there are not many of them now.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 30 November 2012 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: askort154



      What do you say? ..... Clever.! I do not like Jewish bankers and oligarchs, I respect Jews - not living for money, but living for science and art and patriotic to Russia. Unfortunately, there are not many of them now.




      Perelman still refused
  6. volcano
    volcano 30 November 2012 10: 21
    +3
    гde all leaders since independence have shouted that “our place in Europe”

    In the word Europe, it is necessary to replace the first three EURs with J..and then it is clear where not only Ukraine, but also Russia and all countries in the CIS are allocated a place
    1. mda
      mda 30 November 2012 19: 34
      -1
      Quote: volkan
      In the word Europe, it is necessary to replace the first three EURs with J..and then it is clear where not only Ukraine, but also Russia and all countries in the CIS are allocated a place

      Alas, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania will not understand.
  7. Pacifist
    Pacifist 30 November 2012 10: 26
    +2
    Anatoly as always formulates correctly. A definite plus for the available generalization.
  8. 8 company
    8 company 30 November 2012 10: 40
    -12
    "Russia is not Europe, just as it is not Asia, but a separate civilization."

    It would be interesting to hear more exactly what civilizational values ​​are so radically different in Russia from Europe? Maybe Europeans don't value family, peace, culture, education, what else? But Wasserman does not specifically say, so, "water" poured and got another batch of applause from "his" audience.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 30 November 2012 10: 48
      +10
      8 mouthа
      ... which civilizational values ​​are so dramatically different in Russia from Europe? Maybe Europeans do not value family, peace, level of culture, education, what else?

      A behavioral model, mentality, attitude, ideas about justice, law, obligations, harmony, etc., are all that grow out of different religious cultures, historical destinies, geography, etc.
      Look, for example! The West (conditional, generalized) believes that if a person is rich, then he pleases God feel
      Can you imagine such an opinion, widespread in Russia?
      Can you imagine a successful and wealthy Russian businessman who has handed over his parents to a nursing home? And not experiencing public condemnation?
      1. 8 company
        8 company 30 November 2012 11: 14
        -7
        Quote: BigRiver
        The West (conditional, generalized) believes that if a person is rich, then he pleases God


        Where does this information come from? But I've heard the incredible: if "there" an official is accused of simply an unseemly act, he himself is CAM, do you understand ?! - resigns. After all, his reputation came with a large furry fox. And in South Korea and Japan there are frequent cases when such officials commit suicide. Can you imagine something like this in Russia?
        As for wealth ... I think that "over there" they are much more relaxed about a person's personal state than in Russia.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 30 November 2012 11: 36
          +9
          8 company
          Where does this information come from?

          From the doctrine of Protestantism.
          Is this some kind of discovery? The idea of ​​a direct connection between wealth, influence, and God's chosen people in Western society?
          The whole US was built on the doctrine of Protestantism angry
          1. 8 company
            8 company 30 November 2012 11: 44
            -10
            Quote: BigRiver
            From the doctrine of Protestantism.


            Have you tried to quote the document you are referring to? It seems to me that your words could have gained more weight in this case. Although it is strange that you are focusing on the rich villains, they usually write about the western 3,14 daras.
            1. Beck
              Beck 30 November 2012 13: 51
              -15
              "Russia is not Europe, just as it is not Asia, but a separate civilization."
              "Behavioral model, mentality, attitude, ideas about justice, law, duties, harmony, etc. - everything that grows out of different religious cultures, historical fate, geography, etc."

              Mentals are different. As different from Novgorod and Ryazan. And the values ​​are the same. All people in the world value life, health, freedom, love, communication. There are no civilizations that would not appreciate at least one of the above values.

              The whole world is globalizing. Multinational companies. Creation of economic and political geospatial areas - the European Union, the Eurasian Union, the Asia-Pacific, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and more. To sit on the great-power - we ourselves, we are exceptional, we are the best, we are separate, in the modern world and the world of the future will not work.

              Examples. Japan and China. They also pursued a policy of self-isolation, implying by themselves the best and most self-sufficient civilizations. The result is complete stagnation in development. Japan first understood this and entered the world at the beginning of the 20th century. China in the second half of the 20th century. So what? And the fact that interacting with the world of economics and social development of these countries came to the forefront. If they hoped only for their civilization, they would still go in round straw hats.

              Do the patriots really want stagnation in Russia?

              The most striking, everyday, everyday, visual example of globalization and penetration is sports. Look at the composition of football clubs in Russia. And where is his unique, distinctive mentality of Russian athletes. And so in the future it will be in all areas of the economy, politics, life.

              The world is moving towards a global, single, interconnected economy and a single earthly civilization. And an independent self, at some points on the planet, this will not be an obstacle.
              1. Ustas
                Ustas 30 November 2012 14: 01
                +3
                Quote: Beck
                The world is moving towards a global, single, interconnected economy and a single earthly civilization.

                The world will go on to this for a long time, until it learns to value the identity of all the peoples of the world, until it learns to respect every nation and their opinion.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 30 November 2012 14: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: Ustas
                  The world will go on to this for a long time, until it learns to value the identity of all the peoples of the world, until it learns to respect every nation and their opinion.


                  I agree that not on Monday morning. But this is exactly what is going on. And one of the first stages is Eurasia - Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus. If the Russians have the same mindset as some on this page, then Eurasia will still be formed, but this process will be longer and more painful.

                  And if in the future this can not be avoided, what's the point now clutching at an ax
                  1. donchepano
                    donchepano 30 November 2012 19: 33
                    -3
                    Quote: Beck
                    Eurasia will still be formed, but this process will be longer and more painful.



                    She might fall apart
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 30 November 2012 19: 58
                      -4
                      Quote: donchepano
                      She might fall apart


                      It may fall apart, for a while, if we will all dog around. Suppose it falls apart - Who better? We will not be. China will be better. The Taliban will be better.
              2. Goodmen
                Goodmen 30 November 2012 15: 05
                +4
                "... The whole world is globalizing. Transnational companies ..."
                Or maybe it will be globalized to make it easier to manage?
                In response, we try to create our unions as an answer.

                ".... And self-dependent I, in some parts of the planet, this will not be a hindrance ...."
                Nothing such a dot on the globe !!! Almost 1/6 of the land !!! And in general, we do not need anyone. If we are with good - we will be friends, and if with evil - an oar in the face and into the furnace !!! So you have to act !!! And all this globalization is carried out in the interests of a handful of companies managing the global economy.
                And we will naturally be an obstacle to them, or Russia will not be !!!
                1. Beck
                  Beck 30 November 2012 18: 04
                  -3
                  Quote: Goodmen
                  And in general, we do not need anyone.


                  If this is your way, then we must abandon European cars, Japanese electronics, Western technology. And invent and create your own. In your hands, invent a flag and create a purely Russian product. We will see.

                  Quote: Goodmen
                  and if with evil - an oar in the face and into the furnace !!!


                  It is because of this attitude that investments do not go to Russia. The Kremlin is asking the West for investments to boost the Russian economy. And investors are thinking - Now we will invest money, and tomorrow we will be paddled in the face and into the furnace. Yes, we don’t have such a thing.

                  Quote: Goodmen
                  And we will naturally be an obstacle to them, or Russia will not be !!!


                  Russia will be an obstacle, it will not, but it cannot escape anywhere from the trends of global development. Whether we wanted it or not, English became the international language. Whether we like it or not, the communication channels throughout the world are already common. (Including JP S and Glonas). Whether we want it or not, the fashion of clothes is now the same for the whole world, national costumes are for holidays. Whether we want it or not, research in science is already general. (Hubble’s pictures and collider data are sent to all scientific schools in the world, despite their nationality). Whether we want it or not, the earthlings will be together to explore and settle in the near and far komoss. Whether we want it or not, but in the future, planet Earth will be our common homeland.
            2. Bigriver
              Bigriver 30 November 2012 14: 24
              +5
              8 company
              Have you tried to quote the document you are referring to?

              Andrey, why did you decide to patrol me? winked That I prepared a suitcase of links for you?
              Type in Google "Protestant Ethics, Reformation, Capitalism" and devote an evening to reading.
              And at all I do not focus on the rich villains. Read the top post carefully. The attitude, mentality, behavior model, and a lot of etc., share Eurasia and Europe. It so happened, such is the fate of the geography of every civilization, its natural conditions, historical background, traditional state dangers, worries .., uv-f.

              I'm wondering ... Do you really not see at all that we and they are two different civilizations? Or trying to promote a conversation?
              "Bolivar can't stand two" - remember?
              And on the other hand: "There are no bonds holier than comradeship", "Perish yourself, but help your comrade."
              They have developed a culture of individualism, we have a communal, collective culture. This country is between West and East. From all sides we are regularly tested for strength. And with individual citizens, such a country would not be preserved!
              1. 8 company
                8 company 30 November 2012 15: 13
                -3
                Quote: BigRiver
                Andrey, why did you decide to patrol me?


                No, I just have strong suspicions that we and Westerners are very similar in one fad: in our stereotypes about each other wink
                1. Bigriver
                  Bigriver 30 November 2012 15: 38
                  +5
                  8 company
                  Over the past 20 years, thanks to the specifics of my work, I was lucky to check my stereotypes with real life, real people there :)) And not on tours!
                  However, here too, I had experience communicating with different Germans, Korean-Japanese, Chinese-Amer :))
                  Most of all to me, especially for drinking wassat Germans appeared. IMHO, the closest to the Russian people. Only heavily tattered, limited. He lacks freedom.
                  But seriously ... We do not go to Europe with dubai! It is they who, once a century, we test for strength.
                  Get a grasp of their Adolf, Hitler: "My goal in Russia is to advance the ESSENCE of Europe as far as possible to the East."
                  1. 8 company
                    8 company 30 November 2012 16: 23
                    -3
                    Quote: BigRiver
                    Read about Adolf theirs, Hitler:


                    Well, why distort so? He is not theirs, and the Germans will punish the law for propaganda of his ideas. Europe is not a monolith; both Hitler and Napoleon, before attacking Russia, captured various European states. And in general, there were a lot of wars between civil wars, the British and the French generally fought for 100 years once. In Europe, there are a lot of historical, old contradictions. Catalans, for example, do not like the rest of the Spaniards much. Southern Italians do not like the northern ones, the Irish and the Scots can not stand the British, in the Balkans, there are a lot of grievances and distrust of each other among different peoples, well, etc. So with dubai they went not only to us, to us even less often than to their close neighbors.
                    1. Bigriver
                      Bigriver 30 November 2012 16: 33
                      +4
                      8 company
                      Well, why distort so? He’s not theirs ..,
                      Europe is not a monolith; both Hitler and Napoleon, before attacking Russia, captured various European states ...
                      with dubai they went not only to us, to us even less often than to their nearest neighbors.

                      Hitler’s ideology is the ideology of Europe freed from prejudices and conventions :)) This is the old woman’s deep platform in relation to Russia. This is what they think about us, but they are afraid to admit :)))
                      Yes, Napoleons and Hitlers captured different Euro-states. But, they never threatened these states with the loss of the identity of the people.
                      On Google you can read about the plan "Ost". And the plan "Zuyd" was ???
                      1. 8 company
                        8 company 30 November 2012 20: 53
                        -2
                        Quote: BigRiver
                        On Google you can read about the plan "Ost". And the plan "Zuyd" was ???


                        And you google "Comintern", which fought for the proletarians of all countries to unite. The brainchild of Trotsky, lovingly continued by Stalin. There, in general, they talked about the world domination of communist ideology, that there is Europe. If Stalin did not need Lend-Lease deliveries, he would not have dispersed the Comintern in 1943. It somehow became uncomfortable for the bourgeois gentlemen: they are tanks to us, and we are to them - the world revolution. Not good ... True, the successor of the organization was the Cominform, or the Cominformburo (1947-1956), and then the International Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU ..
        2. Ustas
          Ustas 30 November 2012 11: 36
          +6
          Andrey (8 company) I put you a minus for using a cliche. Try to express your thoughts, not propaganda.
        3. Begemot
          Begemot 30 November 2012 12: 01
          +1
          There is much to learn, but accepting everything is completely useless. You need to take the best and the most useful, and not all kinds of gayrasty,
        4. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 30 November 2012 20: 16
          +2
          Quote: Company 8
          As for wealth ... I think that "there" people are much more relaxed about the personal state of a person than in Russia.

          It’s calm, because we didn’t see how this wealth was stolen or plundered by his ancestors, and over the twenty years of accumulating the initial capital we have seen enough of this (note we didn’t hear enough, but have seen enough) that we should be calm about how a handful of crooks, murderers and thieves robbed the whole country , while we can’t, but our great-grandchildren, if nothing changes, will relate to the descendants of the current oligarchs and their capitals calmly.
      2. sapulid
        sapulid 30 November 2012 12: 51
        +4
        Believe the inhabitant of Europe, the values ​​are exactly the same. The culture is practically the same. Tolerance towards "minorities" is nothing more than a semi-contemptuous and condescending attitude towards sick people.

        Wasserman is right in one thing: they are not waiting for us in the West. And, if they wait, then only our brains, raw ibabka, which they will dispose of as they like.

        We in the West are strangers not because of culture, but because of trade wars in a crowded market.
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 30 November 2012 11: 42
      +4
      Quote: Company 8
      Maybe Europeans don't value family

      They really appreciate ... especially Swedish there, same-sex ... fortunately, not everything, there are still many normal people who do not share such "civilizational values" ...
      1. 8 company
        8 company 30 November 2012 12: 05
        -1
        Quote: Kaa
        there are still many normal people who do not share such "civilizational values" ...


        Hmm, I did not expect, frankly, from you, about Kaa, a similar link. I thought you would prefer a picture of the gameparade. By the way, but you personally do not care that domestic patriots love to raise a homo-theme so much? So I looked at the posts above: 7 posts for the fact that Westerners are just Chmyr, and 7 posts (including yours), that they are also 3,14 darasy.
        1. Nymp
          Nymp 30 November 2012 14: 05
          0
          Quote: Company 8
          that they are also 3,14 darasy.
          Dear 3,14 (- the "pi" sign) is not appropriate here because it is correct to write -PE and further- derast And not what you please write (or encrypt) you.
    3. rolik
      rolik 30 November 2012 12: 53
      +7
      Yeah, family is very appreciated. They value it so much that they submit a draft for adoption where they will call their parents by numbers: number 1 and number 2. What a heartfelt conversation between the son and his parents are numbered.
      - Number one, can I go for a walk
      - Of course you can, just ask permission also for number two.
      It's just super good. Nafig their "values" - nafig.
    4. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 30 November 2012 17: 56
      +1
      8th company "Europeans do not value family, peace, level of culture, education, what else" - Maybe they valued family? Parent A and Parent B that's all the value! And the world is how they value! Bombing everywhere!
  9. Sanches
    Sanches 30 November 2012 11: 08
    0
    It is of course regrettable that the western, German-Italian coast of Eurasia considers itself superior to Eurasia itself, where one billion people speak Chinese and 1/3 billion speak Slavic. But why the hell are we constantly at odds with them, because they are part of our race and actually hardly differ from us. In the XIX century, wounded enemy soldiers were still treated, that is, even the war was not an occasion for frenzied hatred. While there will be boasting on the one hand and waving fists on the other, we will not remember that we are one and the same people, people of the same language
  10. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 30 November 2012 11: 30
    +3
    More and more convinced that Tolyan is a real Russian man, like Medinsky, Alexander II or Catherine II. It is good that at last publications have begun to appear to defend our community and civilizational identity. Still set standards in the field of ideology and public education and upbringing.
  11. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 30 November 2012 11: 31
    +1
    The great thinkers of antiquity and not only Russians have long been talking about this to us. There are 3 types of civilization: Slavic (that is, ours) or Eurasian, Western or Pro-American and Asian. Here and there are forked comrades, or Western slaves, like Ukraine or an independent state.
  12. aksakal
    aksakal 30 November 2012 11: 35
    +6
    Somehow already discussed it. About a month and a half ago. The article was there, the British, who were imposing a European house on us, were well drawn, as if the Normans had screwed them up so well that the English had no teeth, and therefore there were so many hissing in Aglitsky ... laughing We agreed on "Europe, rest, we are not Geyropians. Asia, also rest, we are not Asians. And we are a separate civilization", that is, on the same thing that Wasserman stopped at. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss here, since it has been discussed, I will simply be glad that Wasserman is of the same opinion.
    1. Nose
      Nose 30 November 2012 12: 19
      +8
      Quote: aksakal
      Because there’s nothing to discuss here,

      Here it’s not just necessary to discuss, but to constantly grind our fellow citizens with brainwashed by liberals into soft heads.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 30 November 2012 13: 17
        -3
        He himself said, Nose ..
        "..We just do not rush about! Everything is clear and understandable to us. There are tricks from the ruble."
        Is it we, here ... from Rublevka?
        and this endless grind - we arrange it ourselves. We are not going in a herd to Rublyovka ".. to hammer our fellow citizens with brainwashed liberals into the soft heads .." - our convictions.
        To each other - hammered.
        ..
        Already the brains have become. Soft.
        Soon they will be - washed.
        ..
        Hee hee
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 30 November 2012 18: 55
        +4
        Quote: Nose
        Here it’s not just necessary to discuss, but to constantly grind our fellow citizens with brainwashed by liberals into soft heads.

        - yeah, try the same Beck or tequinoral yourself, I’m tired, useless, there is one thing on the forehead, forehead, Europe is our home, civilization is there, and in Russia it’s wild, in Europe they’ll wait for us and only and dream of accepting as an equal partner well, etc. They have already been filled with all the facts in their faces that there is neither civilization, nor freedom of speech, that they do not expect Russia there, but dream of Russia as a servant and resource supplier in one bottle - no, let's go there! Really got it am According to Zadornov, this is not even about amers, but about Bek and Tekinoral.
        Plus for patience and pedagogy smile
        1. Beck
          Beck 30 November 2012 19: 23
          -4
          Who said wildness in Russia? I said that thanks to the Communists we are behind in development and we must catch up. About savagery said Aksakal. Who said that Europe is waiting for us? She would have to deal with her problems. Who spoke of Russia as a servant and supplier of chop. This is Aksakal saying. I said that Europe does not need a servant. And raw materials, until we raise our economy, will have to be sold this way. Who said let's go there? I said that you need to adhere to international standards.

          To not get it, do not read. Are there any other comments where you can merge into a fiery Approval. I wonder what will the consonant chew?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 1 December 2012 02: 35
            +2
            Quote: Beck
            Who said let's go there? I said that you need to adhere to international standards.
            - in your person I summarize all those hanging out on this forum and adhering to liberoid and other "international" norms. I am not obliged to remember all their nicknames, especially since I am also not going to remember all their formulations verbatim, and I will generalize in the future when talking to a third party - and this post is simply generalized. When addressing you personally, I will adhere strictly to what you said, although you rarely say something worthwhile. Or even smart. Even on this thread, you are proving stupidity in isolation.
            Quote: Beck
            Whether we wanted it or not, English became the international language.

            - I know that the international language is considered to be any language that is already spoken by two (!) peoples or which is accepted as a state language in other peoples? That is, German is also an international language. And the Russian language is the same. I am aware that Russian is in second place for use for business purposes, that is, if there is a need to translate any information from the national language of any state into the languages ​​of the world, for example, labels of the same, in short, and not only for business purposes, in cultural and all others, and Chinese only in the third? So what? Is your English out of reach? - as you are trying to imagine here, supposedly, we want or do not want, but it will be so! Yes, not necessarily so. By the way, according to those who know any foreign language, the same statistics - those who know the Russian language in number in second place. Even go to China - they will speak Russian fluently in Urumqi. And in Turkey - the same. If in second place, then it is possible with a very non-zero probability to be in the first. At least sometimes look at the facts before stupid freezing And adhere to the accuracy of the definition - maybe then they will at least listen. And so - laughter.
            Quote: Beck
            Who said wildness in Russia? I said that thanks to the Communists we are behind in development and we must catch up
            - again, complete garbage. The meaning is the same that I gave the Nose in a generalized form, and the Nose understood me correctly. You’ve made a more compelling formulation here, like, I didn’t say that, but like that. So, in terms of meaning, that is exactly what sounds — savagery in Russia. What do you blame for bias if everything is correctly conveyed to the Nose? And what side are behind the Communists behind? What exactly are the residues? If in scientific and technical terms, then lagged behind in the 90s, and thanks not to the Communists at all. But thanks to the Communists, they were the first in space, the first to open the laser (Prokhorov and Basov), holography (Denisyuk), thermonuclear bomb (Sakharov). To list tired is all under the Communists. Moder, I'm sorry, but I just can’t resist, the truth is already pretty tight - Beck, go to hell, I don’t want to argue with you, you are too dumb. Excuse me, excuse me, but this is the fact that you don’t know how to think and don’t know how to think simply because (see underlined in bold) ... So do not be offended.
            1. Beck
              Beck 1 December 2012 20: 19
              -2
              Quote: aksakal
              Beck, go to hell, I don't want to argue with you,


              And do not argue. For you, the virtual epaulette is above the truth. So turn around, assenting, with all sorts of things just to get the Marshal. Probably arrange one when you get it.

              You, with your behavior and tail, before the strong, look like a jackal Tabaki. And your assent words are like the jackal’s key screech - Akela missed, Akela missed.

              You said in your comment to me - do not be offended. These words are absolutely superfluous. On patients and brain cripples do not take offense.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 30 November 2012 11: 40
    +3
    Why do we need to become part of some civilization ??? If we were recognized as an established civilization as such. We are unique and individual ... why be a gray mass of something mythical.
  14. Begemot
    Begemot 30 November 2012 11: 53
    +3
    There is only one eternal Russian problem: a wise person in Russia does not seek to rule, power and wisdom on different banks. Occasionally, the center of power moves to the shore of wisdom, but does not linger there for a long time. And the current government rushed to the very other side of the ocean. I agree with Wasserman that we don’t need to become part of it, but it turns out that for so many centuries we were on our own, even in World War II the colossal victims defended their right to be original and not integrated (read: enslaved), and then on you, suddenly wanted to.
  15. sq
    sq 30 November 2012 12: 05
    0
    Neither in Europe nor in Asia in the form of peoples and states do we (the former USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia) need, We need only raw materials and human (for slavery workers and for blood refreshing genetic) resources
  16. IPMEN
    IPMEN 30 November 2012 12: 07
    +5
    ..... The article is good, I would emphasize Useful ..... Theme ....... Smart person, respect .....
  17. anchonsha
    anchonsha 30 November 2012 12: 38
    +1
    Well done this man of Jewish nationality, but so does not look like a Jew. We need to take care and value such people as him. Our liberals are ready to lick the feet of the carriers of European civilization, if only they would be recognized in the West; ready to implement Western values ​​in Russia. And what are these values ​​there - moral impoverishment, degeneration as a race with consent to homo-sodomasochism. Both the USA and Europe are trying to instill in us these negative vices in the form of various rotten snacks. And we need to live according to our own way, which has developed over the centuries.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 30 November 2012 13: 22
      -2
      How does it not look like ..?
      It is he who resembles a Jew, Onotole ... Wasserman.
      And smart, the same as many Jews.
      Just changed from the fact that he is a Jew? If he speaks as an adequate comrade, citizen, a fan of Russia.
      There is Wasserman. And now there is Abramovich.
      Which of them is Russian?
  18. DikRoss
    DikRoss 30 November 2012 13: 04
    +2
    Europe will never go on a rapprochement with Russia, because it is gnawing on eternal fear - to turn into a provincial Russian province.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 30 November 2012 14: 31
      +3
      DikRoss

      The question is different. According to the strategy of some unfriendly people, we should be willing to enter Greater Europe. And when this happens, this aging aunt will wobble and dictate, what would we need to do to match her.
      Recent history of Ukraine perfectly illustrates this process.

      But there is fear ... Irrational fear of the centuries-old Orthodox Russian civilization, which does not share Western values ​​and, nevertheless, has never come under the heel of anyone. It does not fit into their western head.
  19. Nymp
    Nymp 30 November 2012 14: 09
    +2
    Many drool to their knees, so they want to try on a European lifestyle. And of course the opinion expressed by Wasserman across his throat. This is visible even here in comets. Eat the truth, do not slap yourself.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 30 November 2012 16: 38
      0
      Quote: Nymp
      Eat the truth, do not slap yourself.


      Cool phrase, really liked it.
  20. Goodmen
    Goodmen 30 November 2012 14: 56
    +2
    Yes, at .. this "Single Pan-European House" !!! They need us only in the qualities of a raw materials appendage, a sales market and slave force.
    And our "wise men" all want to join ... it would be what! Take from them only the best, and not copy everything at once and together with g ... vnom !!!
    Russia has its own development path !!!
  21. valokordin
    valokordin 30 November 2012 15: 23
    +1
    Russia really has a different development path, but not the one along which the current government leads it. I respect the opinion of Wasserman and as an analyst, but also a man of encyclopedic knowledge. He is an adviser to the president, it would be nice if the president listened to him and followed the advice of Wasserman.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 30 November 2012 22: 44
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      He is an adviser to the president, it would be nice if the president listened to him and followed the advice of Wasserman.

      Wasserman Putin pulled to himself before the election. Onotole did what was required of him, now they do not need his advice.
      Wasserman warns of inappropriate integration into state-controlled institutions. Against the WTO.
      Putin enters there.
      Wasserman calls to turn to the "red project" as the only salvation.
      Putin is not doing anything in this direction.
      Wasserman speaks of a special Russian civilization.
      Putin for globalization.
      So Onotole is unlikely to advise on GDP. Rather, there are other advisers in favor, and Wasserman is only for the campaign company.
  22. homosum20
    homosum20 30 November 2012 16: 56
    +3
    I don’t know how for anyone, but the question of a pan-European house doesn’t bother me at night. I also do not wake up at night screaming: when will there be a visa-free regime. I don’t wake up because insomnia often torments me. But on other, completely everyday matters.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 30 November 2012 17: 07
      +2
      homosum20
      So lives the majority of normal people with normal skills and head.
      And this is the prospect.
  23. builder74
    builder74 30 November 2012 19: 29
    +1
    Good article by a clever author. This fuss around visa cancellation, etc. Maybe I’m mistaken, but in my opinion, apart from the Moscow public and commerce, the topic of entry into Europe does not bother anyone.
  24. afire
    afire 30 November 2012 20: 33
    0
    Wasserman, Vladimir Solovyov (Russian radio Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday) smart things say
  25. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 30 November 2012 20: 44
    +1
    Many thanks to Wasserman. I would have gone for intelligence even if he had been sent there. Such clever guys of Jewish nationality should be protected.
  26. Cornflower
    Cornflower 30 November 2012 23: 13
    +1
    MEN, after all, this has long been said, written, screaming. Why, WE, allowed themselves so, for jeans and a chupa in the 90s, to queue up in a dirty hallway of Europe?
  27. broker
    broker 1 December 2012 06: 33
    0
    Let's wish Wasserman to return to his homeland in Israel and teach the life of the Jews, as well as to put things in order at home, once such "SMART"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 December 2012 06: 35
      +1
      Quote: broker
      "SMART"

      Is not it? Smarter than many Russians will be.
  28. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 1 December 2012 08: 53
    +1
    WASSERMAN - A WISDOM, though a Jew (if we had more such JEWS)
    Seriously, all that he says is real today. To deprive our people of their independence and make PAPASSES of us ready to sell the last shorts for ourselves for beautiful trinkets - that’s what the WEST WANTS TO DO WITH US.
  29. bask
    bask 1 December 2012 09: 04
    +1
    There is a total ,, drowning ,, from two ,, fronts ... ,, 1- gay tolerirization of the entire population of the West ,,, 2- Islamization of the West. Russia, Ruskim need to preserve their national identity, culture, Russian language. To counter, to these real threats ,,,,, The survival of Russia depends on it ,,,,
  30. efefefd
    efefefd 1 December 2012 20: 49
    -3
    I will not sell Rosiyushku!
    1. WW3
      WW3 1 December 2012 22: 46
      +1
      Idiotic obscene video ... minus May 9 - a holiday not for "quilted jackets" ... negative
  31. gregor6549
    gregor6549 2 December 2012 14: 50
    0
    A. Wasserman cannot be denied in his mind. But it is not clear why he should separate the Russian civilization from the common human civilization, including the European one, justifying this separation by political games of the leadership of individual European and other states. Moreover, there is not and cannot be any special pan-European or, say, French European civilization. His articles on this site sometimes give the impression that Mr. Wasserman wants to be more "patrrrrriot" of Russia than many Russians. The desire is understandable, but why go beyond the bounds of decency to realize it
    There are several definitions of civilization http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/
    Civilization (from lat. Civilis - civil, state) - 1) general philosophical meaning - the social form of the movement of matter, ensuring its stability and ability to self-development through self-regulation of exchange with the environment (human civilization in the scale of the space device); 2) historical and philosophical significance - the unity of the historical process and the totality of the material, technical and spiritual achievements of mankind during this process (human civilization in the history of the Earth); 3) stage of the world historical process associated with the achievement of a certain level of sociality (stage of self-regulation and self-production with relative independence from the nature of differentiation of public consciousness); 4) a society localized in time and space. Local civilizations are integral systems representing a complex of economic, political, social and spiritual subsystems and developing according to the laws of vital cycles [1].
    Russia has always been proud that it has made and continues to make a significant contribution to the global civilization and now there is no reason to isolate itself from this civilization for no reason at all and declare itself as a kind of special, independent and self-sufficient civilization. This is a dead-end path, especially since Russia and the Russians are happy to use many of the fruits of global civilization. Yes, and the whole world has long recognized that you can learn a lot from Russia and borrow a lot. But what fruits of civilization to use and what not is already a matter of user's taste and the "fence" is unlikely to help here. And do not rush to put cons, just think