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Russia and India finally agreed on Vikramaditya work schedule

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Work on the completion of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (the former heavy aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Gorshkov) should be completed at the end of 2013, the official representative of Rosoboronexport, Vyacheslav Davidenko, said.


"The Russian and Indian sides finally agreed and approved the list and timetable for the completion of the aircraft carrying cruiser Vicramaditya transferred to the Indian Navy," said Davidenko, quoted by ITAR-TASS.

"At present, these works are continuing and should be completed at the end of 2013, after which the ship will be handed over to the Indian side," the representative of Rosoboronexport assured.

According to an informed source in the Russian military-industrial complex, which oversees the Russian-Indian aircraft carrier deal, in summer 2013 of the year, after the repair of the boiler house of the group, Vikramaditya will again go to sea for testing.

"Currently, Sevmash is carrying out repairs to the boiler group. The Baltiysky Zavod plant has begun supplying repaired equipment to the plant. Sevmash specialists are working on a schedule so that by the planned date all identified deficiencies in the boiler group work have been eliminated. By the 2013 summer, all repair work on the aircraft carrier will be completed, and he again will go to sea for testing, "said a source in the defense industry.

On the eve of the Indian Defense Minister Arakkaparambila Anthony said that the country's military set the end of 2013 year as the deadline for the transfer of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya to Russia by the Indian Navy. "The delivery of this aircraft carrier has already been delayed for five years. The deadline for its transfer is the end of next year," said the head of the Indian Defense Ministry.

In late October, Andrei Dyachkov, President of United Shipbuilding Corporation, has already announced that Russia will transfer the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya to India before the end of October 2013.

Before that, Russia refused to India to pay compensation for the delay of the aircraft carrier. The size of the penalty, according to media reports, could be 115 million dollars.

India should have received Vikramadityu back in the 2008 year, but then the delivery of the aircraft carrier was postponed until this year. In October, it became known that the customer would be able to receive a warship no earlier than 2013, due to problems with boilers and engines.

It is supposed to eliminate the flaws at Sevmash, in Severodvinsk by the summer of 2013, in summer to go to sea for tests, complete them and hand over the ship of the Indian Navy in the fourth quarter of 2013.

Repair and refurbishment contract for project 11430 of the heavy nuclear-powered cruiser Admiral Fleet The Soviet Union Gorshkov “was concluded with India in 2004. After completion, the light aircraft carrier Vikramaditya should become the flagship of the Indian Navy. The ship was built on the basis of the heavy aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Gorshkov through deep modernization.
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  1. I-16M
    I-16M 30 November 2012 09: 52
    -3
    And leave him weak? Or do we have nowhere to put aircraft carriers? Talk about the ocean fleet, but in fact, the sale continues
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 30 November 2012 10: 03
      12
      And leave him weak?
      ___________
      this is how ??? you can ask am just to blurt out

      I hope this multi-party project will be completed and the boat will go to the Indian Navy
      1. homeland
        homeland 30 November 2012 10: 24
        -1
        Quote: Rustam
        Rustam Today, 10:03 ↑ new 1 
        And leave him weak?
        ___________
        this is how ??? you can ask just to blurt out

        I hope this multi-party project will be completed and the boat will go to the Indian Navy


        If, God forbid, a mess happens, there’s a good chance that he will stay with us
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 30 November 2012 10: 34
          0
          he will not stay with us all under Indian standards, even if a mess that I think will not happen
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 30 November 2012 20: 31
          0
          Quote: vatan
          If, God forbid, a mess happens, there’s a good chance that he will stay with us

          Well, what kind of nonsense, such as a mess? A difficult mess for Russia can happen only with NATO, but one old ship is not a help here; instead, it’s better to launch a dozen ICBMs of a new type.

          On the other hand, the strengthening of the Indian Navy with such a ship and in addition to Nerpa will balance the region and direct all the attention of China southward to Australia.
      2. I-16M
        I-16M 30 November 2012 12: 47
        -7
        Quote: Rustam
        just to blurt out
        Change the tone.
        The fact that you are not a patriot of Russia is understandable, incomprehensible joy for the Indian Navy. It seems not an Indian.
        About "keep yourself". Of course, this is impossible in the middle of the deal, you had to think before the sale. It's too late now, the money has come in and is somewhere good. And Russia with one aircraft carrier.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 30 November 2012 13: 11
          +3
          Yes, I'm not a patriot and an enemy agent - a bad guy sold his homeland for jam:

          Before the sale, you need to think- What sale of pots rotted at the pier and the prospect was one for metal

          To begin with, I would advise you to repair Kuzyu - that is, to properly repair and modernize

          about India, unlike China (which copies everything), India is our strategic partner to pray for, thanks to them many enterprises survived and started production of new products (Irkut, Uralvagonzavod, adm shipyards, Kazvertzavod are huge)
          1. I-16M
            I-16M 30 November 2012 13: 44
            0
            The fact of the matter is that, besides rust, he was not interested in anyone, but could have been completed, it is much cheaper than starting from scratch.
            If not mistaken, Kuznetsov recently underwent repairs.
            India, of course, is not China, but the Indians will be surprised to learn that they are our allies. Their orders helped out well, but this is business. It doesn’t matter who they sell it to, it’s important that they themselves do not and are not expected to do so.
      3. petro
        petro 30 November 2012 20: 08
        -1
        "this is how ???" - very simply, the Indians are determinedly "the end of 2013 as the deadline for the transfer of the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya by Russia to the Indian Navy." It follows that you can keep it for yourself. is very large, and most importantly, not from the desire to keep the aircraft carrier for itself. And if the aircraft carrier remains, then another modernization awaits it. For it, having not yet undergone modernization for India, is already morally obsolete.
    2. Retx
      Retx 30 November 2012 10: 14
      +1
      It is out of date, so at least we will earn money and practice. Excuse me, what else have we sold out? Sevmash makes projects for the future so that they are ahead of time, destroyers, corvettes, cruisers, aircraft carriers. People work, have patience smile
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 30 November 2012 10: 32
        +9
        And if it weren’t for the Indians to rot at the wall of some sort of base SF
        And so people got a job for 6 years, money and tested the construction of such ships that they hadn’t done before

        thanks to Hindus, they have patience, and to our grief donkeys donkey managers, first sign with one amount then oh my Hindus pay another 1,5 Billion Baku people, otherwise we didn’t calculate it and the contract is wrong

        Thank you India that I suffered, but wait until 2013, we have a problem with the boilers, we did not calculate emergency conditions
        Thanks again for fully sponsoring and purchasing Russian new MIG-29K, a cube for Hindus needs to be prayed wink
        1. Retx
          Retx 30 November 2012 10: 53
          +1
          Nakhimov did not rot, and Gorshkov would not rot. The whole problem is the absence of an AWACS aircraft on deck and in a small hangar.
          The good news is:
          35 Shipyard is preparing to receive from the federal budget a record amount for modernization. The program was developed in the interests of the Navy - the main customer of the Murmansk ship repairmen. However, the company intends to develop a civilian direction.
          5 billion - so much the state is ready to give for technical re-equipment. These are the three current annual budgets of the plant. For the first time in 20 years, the company will be able to purchase new machines, cranes and other equipment. The appearance of the plant will also change.
          According to the reconstruction plan, the small and large dock chambers will be combined and lengthened. If now the 35th plant can repair only large anti-submarine ships, then in two years both "Peter the Great" and "Admiral Kuznetsov" and large tankers will be able to undergo repairs here.
          All military capacities will be grouped in the center, our only aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" and the Indian "Vikramaditya" will also be stationed there. Everything is subject to the expansion of the list of works and cost reduction.
          Alexei Maltsev, director of the 35th SRZ branch of Zvezdochka CS OJSC, noted: “So far, of course, the state defense order has been very well loaded. In principle, we should not think about anything more today. But you cannot be limited to just one customer, there must be many customers. "
          A financial infusion can also solve the personnel issue - there are almost no qualified ship repairmen in Murmansk. The plant itself was only recently mentioned only in connection with wage arrears or shares of dissatisfied workers. And in the near future, not one hundred professionals will be required - the volume of not only military, but also civilian orders is growing. Have to invite people from other regions.
          Alexey Maltsev said: "We are already thinking and consider it necessary to think about the construction of various offshore structures of offshore small and large modules for the oil and gas industry and, of course, small and medium ships."
          Shipbuilding is a long-term prospect, but quite real - the construction of an integrated base for servicing Arctic fields. Oil and gas companies do not lose interest in the North.
          Denis Sobolev, deputy director of the 35th SRZ branch of Zvezdochka TsS OJSC, said: "This is a non-core area of ​​the 35th shipyard and it will bring additional money to ship repair, it will develop in parallel."
          However, civilian projects are a separate program and separate money that have not yet been allocated - there are too many questions. Will the state accept partial demilitarization of the 35th plant and will the enterprise’s products be of interest not only to the military department, which is unrestricted in funds, but also to businesses for which each penny saves a ruble.

          http://murman.rfn.ru/rnews.html?id=1002561
          1. Lissyara
            Lissyara 30 November 2012 11: 15
            +3
            Why are there no AWACS aircraft?
            Yak-44E

            Wingspan, m 25.7
            Aircraft Length m 20,5
            Aircraft height, m ​​5.8
            Dimensions with folded wing and lowered radar fairing, m 20.5x12.5x5.7
            Wing area, m2 88.0
            The diameter of the fuselage, m 2.7
            Radar fairing diameter, m 7.3
            Crew
            Pilots 2
            Calculation of RTK operators, people 4
            Power point
            Type and number of engines 2xTVDD D-27
            Take-off Power / Cruising Power, HP 2x14000 / 6750
            Weight without fan, kg 1650
            Specific fuel consumption at cruise mode, kg of fuel / el.h.s. 0,17
            Specific fuel consumption at cruise mode, kg of fuel / el.h.s. 0.13 - 0,143
            The diameter of the fan, m 4.5
            The number of fan blades 8 + 6
            Length 4198 mm
            Takeoff Power 13400 HP
            Weight 1100 kg
            Starting thrust, kgf 12150
            Air consumption 27.4 kg / s
            Cruising Efficiency 0,9
            Mass characteristics
            Maximum take-off weight, kg 40000
            Fuel reserve, kg 10500
            Specific wing load, kg / m2 455
            flight performance
            Maximum speed, km / h 740
            Maximum cruising speed, km / h 700
            Landing speed, km / h 185
            Practical ceiling, m 13000
            Patrol speed, km / h 500-650
            Patrol height, m ​​3000-11000
            Ferry range, km> 4000
            Runway length. m <1350
            Duration of patrolling in the zone at altitudes of 0,2-11 km and a distance of 300 km. h 3.6-6,5
            Radio-technical complex E-700
            Wavelength B
            Average radiation power. kW 5
            Detection Range, km:
            air targets (EPR = 3 m2) 250
            cruise missiles AGM-86 ALCM 220
            AGM-84 Harpoon cruise missiles 165
            Detection range of naval targets of the destroyer type to the radio horizon
            Range of heights of detection and tracking of air targets, m 5-30000
            Speed ​​range of detectable air targets, km / h 40-3500
            The number of simultaneously followed targets 150 against the background of 1500
            The standard error of the determination at a distance of 200 km, km:
            plane coordinates no more than 2
            heights no more than 1,5
            Direction finding accuracy by a single director of active interference, min no more than 20
            The number of guided fighters 40
            Number of operator jobs 4
            Identification of nationality of goals
            Radio intelligence station
            Work on land Provided
            Operation under CONDITIONS of active interference Provided
            Compensation for the influence of fan blades of engines
            Number of radio stations:
            MV-DMV range 7
            KB range 1
            satellite communications 1
            Automatic control and diagnostics of equipment
            The project was closed in 1992, due to the collapse of the USSR and the completion of aircraft carrier construction.
            There was also the An-71K (but only in the project), made on the basis of the An-71, but things did not move beyond the project.
            1. Retx
              Retx 30 November 2012 11: 45
              0
              You yourself answered your question hi
          2. mike_z
            mike_z 30 November 2012 12: 30
            +3
            The information is valuable! Thanks. Yes, we also know here that young guys from Severodvinsk are planning to raise the "35th factory" to the newest level. So far, all the specialists of the cohort of former ship mechanic officers have been fired from the department of the chief builder. The old factory workers seem to have remained - experienced, but not young anymore ... The factory now needs about 2000 workers, in Murmansk there are not so many to be found ... They say: we will bring them from Severodvinsk ... God forbid. It is not yet clear how their life will be arranged. Can you imagine how many apartments you need or what kind of hostel you will have to build? So far there are more questions than answers. However, everything is possible for money. If not plundered. We will only be glad to see the 35th revived. Maybe they won't forget us old people)))
            1. VAF
              VAF 30 November 2012 13: 16
              +5
              Quote: mike_z
              Yes, we also know here that young guys from Severodvinsk are planning to raise the "35th factory" to the newest level.


              There was such an info, +! .... wink
              According to the Murman TV and radio company, the 35th shipyard in Murmansk (a branch of the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center) is to receive about 5 billion rubles for the modernization of production.
              This amount is three times the size of the annual budget of the enterprise. It is planned to purchase not only new machine-tool and crane equipment, but also to radically restructure the entire infrastructure.



              According to the reconstruction plan, the small and large chambers of the dock of the 35th shipyard will be combined and lengthened.
              If now the enterprise can repair only large anti-submarine ships, then two years later heavy aircraft carriers and nuclear missile cruisers of the Northern Fleet, as well as large tankers, can be repaired here.
              All military capacities will be grouped in the center, there will also be heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" and Vikramaditya (but here I got ?????????? recourse .
              These works are aimed at expanding the list of works carried out at the plant and reducing production costs.




              And here's more from the speech of the director of the 35th shipyard Alexei Maltsev: .... "We are already thinking and consider it necessary to think about the construction of various offshore structures of offshore small and large modules for the oil and gas industry and, of course, small and medium-sized ships." However, shipbuilding is a long-term prospect, and quite realistic is the construction of an integrated service base for Arctic fields. Oil and gas companies are not losing interest in the North.

              Denis Sobolev, deputy director of the 35th SRZ branch of OJSC TsS Zvezdochka, said regarding the prospects of shipbuilding: “This is a non-core area of ​​the 35th shipyard and it will bring additional money to ship repair, it will develop in parallel.
          3. Rustam
            Rustam 30 November 2012 13: 17
            0
            Kuzyu first, tidy up that there is no breakdown am
      2. Lissyara
        Lissyara 30 November 2012 11: 02
        +4
        About Sevmash and the future.
        This is our first boat of the fourth generation (I'm talking about the 855 project "Ash" nuclear submarine "Severodvinsk")!
        Laid down 21 December 1993! Those. the boat was built 19 years!
        The guilt is certainly not builders, but rulers who successfully ruined the country for 10 years.
        1. Armata
          Armata 30 November 2012 11: 32
          +3
          Greetings to Sergey.
          Quote: LiSSyara
          This is our first boat of the fourth generation (I'm talking about the 855 project "Ash" nuclear submarine "Severodvinsk")!
          Laid down 21 December 1993! Those. the boat was built 19 years!
          That's for it ++++++++++ drinks . This is what we consider to be advanced. Miracles of presentation style probably request
      3. Armata
        Armata 30 November 2012 11: 30
        +2
        Quote: RETX
        It is out of date, so at least we will earn money and practice. Excuse me, what else have we sold out? Sevmash makes projects for the future so that they are ahead of time, destroyers, corvettes, cruisers, aircraft carriers. People work, have patience
        Oh well. 1. Question. Do you know at least one project of a promising aircraft carrier that Russia has? 2. How can you train on technologies that we have long known? 3. What project is currently ahead of schedule? 4. Sevmash does not specialize in small displacement ships (destroyers, frigates, corvettes) but Russia refused from cruisers, there are no promising cruiser projects, or do you think that the 70-80 projects are the most innovative?
        1. Retx
          Retx 30 November 2012 11: 43
          +1
          I know, they showed approval of the Ministry of Defense in 2014. Ask better at Gorabchev with Yeltsin (oh, he died) he will explain why we, for example, cannot reproduce the flight of Buran. They are all on paper, I did not say the words "build", "produce" and their synonyms. This is Ushakov's statement, Severnye Verfi is working on a project for a new nuclear-powered cruiser and destroyer. The corvette is the work of the Almaz Central Design Bureau, (there is such a word, shares smile )
          1. Armata
            Armata 30 November 2012 12: 02
            +2
            Quote: RETX
            Northern shipyards are working on a new nuclear-powered cruiser and destroyer project.
            Yeah, cool. Under Sevmash there is no design bureau for integrated ship development. There only nodes and assemblies are being developed. good laughing But our smart politicians don't care. This is also a project.
            1. Retx
              Retx 30 November 2012 12: 11
              +1
              Designer North PCB. Now they are all tied into one structure, but capitalism.
              PS I already said something, but I repeat, we will build an aircraft carrier throughout the country, all design bureaus. Thanks to Yeltsin for this.
      4. I-16M
        I-16M 30 November 2012 12: 58
        +2
        It would be nice if so.
        About the sale. Compare the composition of the Navy of the USSR and Russia. The difference is either written off as scrap or sold.
        Let's hope that Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov not the last aircraft carrier of Russia
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 30 November 2012 18: 57
      +2
      So this sale began with Gorbachev and continues under the current crap. They, shitcrats, good students of M.S. Gorbachev, as a reward for good teaching on the course "How to destroy the army and navy, while scribbling money for yourself", they awarded him the highest award of Russia with the Order of "Andrew the First-Called", thus breaking all statutes of the order. One word "Hand - hand washes!"
    4. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 30 November 2012 20: 27
      0
      Do you need one? All the same, it’s more likely a waste of production technologies than a leap forward. For yourself, you need to do something more worthwhile.
      This is where it can be sent now? Is there any need for it? It is one thing to keep the golden flight personnel and not lose the skills of managing ships of this class. But I do not see a real application to him today.
    5. rolik
      rolik 30 November 2012 22: 11
      +1
      The ship has already been sold ((((If only I stupidly ache, and don’t give it, I won’t give it ..... blah. And so, of course, we tear it off the wall with blood. Yes, he himself doesn’t want to leave his homeland. Parasilic problems the complex is far from all the little things and not even the little things that are not completed.
  2. evgenii67
    evgenii67 30 November 2012 10: 39
    0
    What do you mean "OUTDATE" through its rusty sides salty sea water oozes ???? or its outdated deck is not long enough for takeoff and landing of Russian aircraft and is generally not designed for landing modern types of aircraft ??? There is a shell, but a modern mince can be shoved, there would be a desire, this is called modernization, and a modern aircraft carrier, in the sense of an aircraft-carrying cruiser ... Everything is new, well forgotten, old.
    1. Armata
      Armata 30 November 2012 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: evgenii67
      There is a shell, but modern stuffing can be shoved, it would be a desire — this is called modernization, and it’s like a modern aircraft carrier, in the sense of an aircraft carrying cruiser ..... Everything new is well forgotten old.
      Yeah, put the catapult into the aircraft carrier with a springboard. What is mince pancake? There is the 70 project of the ancient year.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 30 November 2012 13: 01
        +3
        in how ........ well, minus !!!!! 70 year project ..... and that we have a lot that flies, swims, rides the 70-80 year project, but that there the project, produced in the 70-80s, is considered modern (if not modern, it is quite capable of repelling) .... about the catapult, I am embarrassed to ask us that the aircraft’s engines are no longer able to lift a car into the air without a catapult ..... No, of course I am not against modern, new, powerful aircraft carriers, only when they will be and whether they will be at all and call this colossus ancient, sacrilege ... but I almost forgot about metal fatigue, if so the Indians are fighting for this ship oh, then this metal is still nothing, it will last for more than a dozen years.
        1. Armata
          Armata 30 November 2012 13: 10
          +2
          Quote: evgenii67

          in how ........ well, minus !!!!!
          I didn’t put you cons. In general, I rarely put cons.
          Quote: evgenii67
          70 project of the year ..... and that we have a lot of things that fly, float, ride the 70-80 year of the project, but what is the project there, produced by the 70-80 of the x years, and is considered modern (if not modern, it is quite capable of repelling) ....

          And what do you frankly consider them promising? This is just what allows us to walk in front of the world not with naked gut.
          Quote: evgenii67
          Regarding the catapult, I am embarrassed to ask us that the aircraft’s engines are no longer capable of raising a car into the air without a catapult ....
          Maybe, but fuel consumption rises sharply and takeoff of AWACS aircraft is simply impossible without a catapult. Why are we going to be blind with a set of light aircraft?
          Quote: evgenii67
          No, of course, I am not against modern, new, powerful aircraft carriers, only when they will be and whether they will be at all, and call this colossus ancient, blasphemy ... but I almost forgot about metal fatigue, if so the Indians are fighting for this ship, then this metal is nothing, it will last more than a dozen years.
          It's not about metal fatigue. The fact is that even at the time of laying this ship, it was already a colossus from the past. And the fact that the Indians decided to take it is just a song for shipbuilders, otherwise it would rot as unfinished.
          1. not good
            not good 30 November 2012 13: 25
            +1
            The AN-44 is designed, according to the designers, to take off from the springboard. But the springboard is 2 start tracks, and + 2 catapults on the landing deck are already 4 starts and the ability to take off heavy vehicles. Another AN-44 is two times cheaper than the A-50.
            1. Lissyara
              Lissyara 30 November 2012 15: 32
              +2
              Well, probably not the An-44, but still the Yak-44.
              But for the price, I think, it is many times cheaper.
              At least compare the cost of the machines carrying the equipment. The IL-76 has never been cheap. And only in the performance of the A-50, stuffed with equipment "for the most tomatoes" ... And the "fifty-kopeck piece" will have more possibilities and functionality.
            2. Gregazov
              Gregazov 30 November 2012 18: 55
              +1
              Compare Yak44 and A-50 is the same as the E-3B and Hawkai. Machines of a completely different class and capabilities.
              1. Lissyara
                Lissyara 30 November 2012 21: 29
                +1
                Let's put it simply. Boeing E-3 "Sentry" and Grumman E2 "Hawkeye".
                You are absolutely right! Why did I remove the mods? even in their lineup they are completely different.
                As well as the A-50M and A-50U (I won’t say thin-walled) bully
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 30 November 2012 21: 46
                  +1
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                  1. Lissyara
                    Lissyara 30 November 2012 22: 09
                    0
                    Sanya, hello!
                    ABOUT! About Cerid, A-50U. Litak date center))))
                    Then by the way, on a footnote, I looked at Kuno about the Lipitsky Center.
                    What a discovery for me was that in Armavir they began to train attack aircraft, on the Rooks. As it does not fit with the air defense IA.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 30 November 2012 22: 12
                      0
                      Earrings, I about this innovation neither sleep nor spirit. request
                      1. Lissyara
                        Lissyara 30 November 2012 22: 29
                        +2
                        Already found a tear!
                        I took a misted jar out of the refrigerator


                        drinks
                        Sasha, they are only similar in general idea and the presence of IL-76 are similar bully
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 22: 41
                        0
                        [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 6iSd5TpaTlk well then let's go drinks
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 22: 42
                        +1
                        well then let's go drinks
                      4. Lissyara
                        Lissyara 30 November 2012 22: 51
                        0
                        The most golden moment with dumplings and "tips".
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 22: 57
                        +1
                        catch a snack drinks
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 00
                        0
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                      7. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 03
                        0
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                      8. igor67
                        igor67 30 November 2012 23: 10
                        +2
                        alex 241,
                        I watched the video twice, filming in Israel, on the boilers on the roof of the inscription in Hebrew
                      9. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 13
                        +1
                        Igor means the Indians came to visit you drinks
                      10. igor67
                        igor67 30 November 2012 23: 18
                        +2
                        alex 241,
                        To Israel? Maybe I saw them once, in Ukraine, they drove them to us for repair, such a cool turban on their head (probably) of a different color, and didn’t eat anything, for two days they could not feed them until someone He said that Indians eat, and they prepared our pork for them. wassat
                      11. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 22
                        +1
                        It happens that we had a similar case, the Indians were loaded with pork, then the handlers had a pale appearance and legs described laughing
                    2. Lissyara
                      Lissyara 30 November 2012 23: 22
                      +1
                      Yes, they were there.
                    3. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 29
                      0
                      Well, Serge, I can not laugh laughing drinks
                    4. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 30
                      0
                      Well, Serge, I can not laugh drinks laughing
                    5. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 32
                      0
                      Well, Serge, I can’t laugh! drinks
  3. Alex 241
    Alex 241 30 November 2012 22: 28
    +1
    hold the chinese
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 30 November 2012 22: 49
      0
      In general, for our "friends" China and India, A-50Ch was made by joint efforts (but for some reason they called it I), and for the Indians IE (I don't remember exactly). What our radar station and the Israelites did is for sure.
      China was given a "designer", which is in kuno. They themselves brought it to mind (and empty, without a computer).
      The Indians were given a "kit" (or rather sold), I don't remember the number, I think 3, but the software algorithms were "stabbed". As far as I know, they threw out our computing stuff, installed their own, and kind of finished their software.
      Taki oh!
      I went to the second round drinks
    2. Lissyara
      Lissyara 30 November 2012 23: 06
      +2
      By the way, and one more thing! A little technical detail.
      BIUS "Tbilisi", "Riga", "Leonid Brezhnev", and now "Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet NI Kuznetsov" IS NOT CALCULATED FOR RECEIVING AND PROCESSING information received from AWACS aircraft. Those. A-50 can issue "recommendations" to the command post of the fleet, and then the command post of the fleet will decide.
      The Su-33 aircraft, which are in service with the TAKR, are not equipped with "coupling units" with the "fifty kopeck piece".

      There is a third, without clinking glasses.
    3. Alex 241
      Alex 241 30 November 2012 23: 12
      +2
      for some reason this does not surprise me, as in that joke: put a barrier or sensible major .......
    4. v53993
      v53993 1 December 2012 00: 40
      +1
      Sasha, I’m not interested in spending paint on enemies. Routine work, like the destruction of cockroaches. No more.
  • Mikado
    Mikado 30 November 2012 12: 46
    +1
    there is such a concept as "metal fatigue", which filling do not cram, but the body will remain the same.
  • I-16M
    I-16M 30 November 2012 13: 01
    0
    Hands to green itch, here the ship has aged smile
  • 123dv
    123dv 30 November 2012 14: 36
    0
    They pull the rubber with the transmission, or it goes like that, the essence is the same - the ship is still with us.
    And by this, in the case of faq, we have two (conditionally) active aircraft carriers in fact.
    By the end of 2013, it will no longer be needed.
    It can be given without regret and with all sorts of thanks to the Indians.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 November 2012 16: 11
    +1
    Quote: Mechanic
    Aircraft take off is simply impossible without a catapult

    Is it possible to make hydroaviation AWACS? And build a floating base not inferior in speed to the carrier?

    Quote: Thunderbolt
    not inferior in speed to the carrier

    ...... strike carrier?
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 30 November 2012 19: 31
      +1
      Such an aircraft is called A-40. Take off from the surface of the sea with a three-point storm. With modern technology, the complex can be entered into it without much effort
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 30 November 2012 22: 39
        +1
        Alexey, Gregory!
        That is, an airplane (in the sense of the glider itself with an engine in the quantity of 3 pieces), but initially it was made as an anti-submarine aircraft.
        It can take off even with large scores (A-42, continued, its further modification). But! There is one thing but ....
        Taking off from the water is on average 3 times more resistance, + extra expenditure of kErosinia, + when the "Fly agaric" sticks out from above, this option can generally turn over and become a yacht with an original keel (even when the A-50 takes off, due to the "sail effect "because of the" mushroom "it has" side drift "as soon as the landing gear struts off the runway. By the way, this usually does not happen on a regular IL-76TD, unless of course it takes off during a hurricane).
        Further, maritime aircraft must be constantly scrubbed after flights (so that the salt does not gobble up). In this situation, on the A-40 chassis it will be washed more often than flying on it.
        + don't forget - electronics is a very delicate thing. And additional protection from water is, again, excess weight. And as in the joke "And now with all this garbage, we will try to take off." wassat
  • homosum20
    homosum20 30 November 2012 16: 26
    +1
    999th latest approval.
  • petro
    petro 30 November 2012 19: 54
    +1
    "" The Russian and Indian sides have finally agreed and approved the list and schedule of work for the completion of the Vikramaditya aircraft-carrying cruiser transferred to the Indian Navy for the tenth TIME. Some kind of "bricks" are very "crumbly" caught, since the ninth deadline is postponed for a year. And the "final" term is somehow indefinite - "the end of 2013", obviously, that happens at the end.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 30 November 2012 20: 48
    0
    I am surprised that a series called "Vikramaditye" has not yet been released on TV .........
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 30 November 2012 20: 49
      0
      ....... abruptly Santa Barbara wakes up !!!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 30 November 2012 21: 16
    0
    Here is one more reason why we lost one tender, another tender ...... read carefully!
    India should have received Vikramaditya back in 2008,
  • postman
    postman 30 November 2012 21: 57
    +1
    With Vikramaditya, the situation is a shame.
    Not only is all the deadlines delayed ... if the price has been raised, no one wants to pay the penalty


    January 2004 India and Russia signed a $ 947 million contract for the refurbishment and refurbishment of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be renamed Vikramaditya. Vikramaditya's delivery date was August 000, with the air group entering service in 000

    In the yard 2012 ends, It costs $ 2, the next date is October 330 ......


    Under the contract, India may impose a fine of up to 5% (currently about $ 113,8 million).

    Plan B from the UK? amid rumors of a major cut in the UK defense budget, The Guardian reports that India has expressed formal interest in acquiring 65000 tonnes of CVF / Queen Elizabeth. The UK Department of Defense is desperately seeking long-term budget funding, even through the sale of one of the aircraft carriers. "


    "Plan X", buy the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) removed (almost) from the "allowance", as soon as "Bush2" will be put into operation.

    The Americans will lick it six months before shine
  • Cold
    Cold 30 November 2012 23: 27
    0
    Hindus do not be suckers give us more bribes. In ten years, the aircraft carrier will be ready when we squeeze it all Joke laughing
  • postman
    postman 1 December 2012 20: 20
    0
    cold: about a bribe, from the side of India the chinook from the Ministry of Defense is under investigation (or is already sitting), but from our side?