On problems with the supply of electronics and Russia's dependence on parallel imports

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On problems with the supply of electronics and Russia's dependence on parallel imports

Back in March, there were reports that the Chinese Internet platform Aliexpress blocked the sale of drones clients from Russia. When going to the product card, Russian users saw an error message saying "there is no such page." Moreover, the pages were not opened not only for buyers in Russia, but also in Belarus. For some time, this problem was circumvented by a trick using a VPN, but in April, even with a VPN connection, it became impossible to order drones on the territory of the Russian Federation and Belarus.

Moreover, at the moment it can be stated that Russia will experience difficulties with mass deliveries of specialized electronics from China. This is proof that, despite the media's enthusiastic statements about "Russian-Chinese friendship", the Chinese partners are by no means friendly and are trying to distance themselves as far as possible from the military conflict in Ukraine, without publicly condemning Moscow, but without providing it with any support.



Actually, in the materialNot an ally, but a partner: the visit of the Chinese leader to Moscow showed that Russia can only rely on itself”, the author of these lines has already noted that China is acting pragmatically and will not enter into open confrontation with the United States and the European Union. The Chinese are good at counting money, and it is much more profitable for them to be friends with Europe and Washington. They can take some symbolic steps and statements, which will then be actively discussed by the media, but when it comes to real steps, as we can see, they are quite far from friendliness.

However, such steps to limit the supply of electronics create problems for Russia, which is very dependent on the supply of foreign electronics. We do not produce complex electronics, but formally "domestic" is assembled from foreign components. And this factor seriously affects the course of the special military operation, since Moscow is forced to reckon with the opinion of many partners, such as China and Turkey (through which supplies also go). After all, in the event of a complete halt in supplies, the Russian Federation will find itself in an extremely difficult situation.

We will talk about problems with electronics and the dependence of the Russian Federation on some states in this material.

Russia is critically dependent on the supply of electronics through parallel imports


Back in September last year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation prepared an updated concept of state policy for the development of Russian microelectronics until 2030. The document stated that Russian technologies in the field of microelectronics are 10–15 years behind the world level, and the design and production of products are critically dependent on foreign technologies and foreign factories. It also spoke of an acute shortage of necessary personnel. In addition, the concept pointed out the difficulties with the development of technological processes and stated the impossibility of providing the market with the necessary electronics.

Russia solves issues with the supply of electronics through parallel imports, which go through China, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. In fact, Moscow turned out to be somewhat dependent on the position of these states, which received the opportunity to directly influence the course of the NWO in Ukraine. In particular, according to Western analysts, in terms of imports, Russia has become the most dependent economy on China after the DPRK.

According to the institute at the Bank of Finland, before the start of the military operation in Ukraine, China provided about a quarter of Russian merchandise imports, but now this share is about 40%. It is difficult to say how accurate these figures are, however, according to China’s customs statistics, trade with Russia increased by almost a third in 2022 and reached a record $190 billion.

In Washington and Brussels, of course, everyone understands this, so the Americans are trying to put pressure on the states through which parallel imports go. And if the instruments of political and economic pressure are not very effective against China, then the UAE and Turkey are somewhat more vulnerable in this regard. And there are risks that sooner or later they will start to shut down such supply channels, such as Turkey, which temporarily suspended parallel imports in order to put pressure on Moscow to extend the “grain deal”.

In this connection, it can be stated that there is a critical dependence on the supply of electronics for parallel imports from China, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates and the ability of these states to influence Russian foreign policy.

Türkiye is a necessary partner


Some citizens who do not really think about the factors mentioned above are calling for new "tomato wars" with Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who is engaged in the supply of weapons to Ukraine and generally pursues a two-faced policy.

It is worth saying here that almost all politics (especially the politics of the XNUMXst century) are two-faced and hypocritical, and Erdogan (which is logical) is looking for benefits for Turkey, interacting with all parties to the conflict. Of course, he is not a friend of Russia, he is just a business partner with whom you need to do business.

What will the new "tomato wars" give to the Russian Federation or the severance of relations with Turkey in general? Only that the Turks will cover up parallel imports to Russia, which will leave many Russian enterprises without the necessary spare parts and microelectronics. It is possible, of course, to cut off gas to Turkey, which will really create big problems for Ankara, but then the question arises - what will the already problematic budget of the Russian Federation, a significant part of which consists of hydrocarbon revenues, be made up of?

For this reason, it is far from a fact that the Russian Federation will suspend participation in the "grain deal", which ends on May 18, even taking into account the fact that the Russian part of the agreements has not been observed, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are attacking the bases of the Black Sea fleet surface drones that are launched from the waters of Odessa.

However, even assuming that this happens, Russia has no real ability to prevent the implementation of this deal, which is the guarantor of Turkey, whose fleet is much stronger than Russia's. If Moscow withdraws from the deal, it is highly likely that it will continue to function, just without the formal participation of the Russian Federation. Do not forget that the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation could not organize a blockade of Ukrainian ports, even taking into account the non-intervention of Turkey, which I already wrote about in the material "Extension of the grain deal: a "gesture of goodwill" or no alternative solution».

Plus, we return to the main issue of this article - if Russia withdraws from the grain deal without the consent of Turkey, then with a high probability parallel imports will be stopped there, which, as mentioned above, will create problems for many Russian enterprises.

Thus, Ankara is a necessary partner for Russia to be reckoned with.

Lack of strategy as the main problem


The answer to the question - how to reduce dependence on foreign supplies, is banal - for this you need to develop your own production. The notorious import substitution is needed, about which everyone talks so much, but usually everything ends with conversations.

However, it is problematic to set up our own production in the conditions of the military conflict in Ukraine, in the context of confrontation with the entire collective West, in the sanctions regime. It was necessary to do this much earlier, when the foreign policy situation was more favorable, there was access to international markets. Now it is already problematic to purchase the necessary equipment and machines in order to establish the production of the necessary parts. It is also problematic to attract personnel, some of which, on the contrary, leave the territory of Russia, further exacerbating personnel problems.

It should be admitted that, when deciding to launch a special military operation, the Russian leadership hardly expected that it would be so long and turn into a severe military conflict of enormous proportions. You can say as much as you like that the military operation is developing according to certain plans and according to certain schedules, but it is obvious that the economy and industry were not ready for a long military confrontation.

So far, they are trying to solve problems by half-measures, in manual mode, and temporarily it somehow works, but in the absence of a clear strategy and vision of the future, it is difficult to count on anything. Russia got involved in an open confrontation with the West, not only without a clear economic and political strategy, but also without any long-term plan, any idea at all. The lack of a strategy is the main problem of the current situation.

The fact that Russia has no strategy and no image of the future has been admitted more than once by high-ranking Russian officials. In particular, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov back in January saidthat he does not know what to expect in the future after the end of the special operation.

“We will still defend our truth, but I still can’t imagine how to continue to live,”

– then said the diplomat.

And without an image of the future and a strategy, it is difficult to rely on a well-thought-out economic policy and success in the field of import substitution.
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  1. +6
    April 27 2023 04: 41
    At the expense of, friends, from China, I agree. I already wrote that the organization where I work through third parties buys US office equipment. It is clear that the production of China, but nevertheless, everything is very complicated.
  2. +14
    April 27 2023 05: 32
    Russia got involved in an open confrontation with the West, not only without a clear economic and political strategy, but also without any long-term plan, any idea at all.

    Even Napoleon, who is Bonaparte, with his "Let's get involved in battle, and then we'll see" merged - despite his genius. And what kind of Napoleons are leading the country ... the prospects are not encouraging in short ...
  3. -9
    April 27 2023 05: 50
    It was necessary to do this much earlier, when the foreign policy situation was more favorable, there was access to international markets.

    To the author, on the finger, an obvious thing.
    It is impossible to get into the divided market. Starting production, you inevitably get a higher price for your product, even if it is completely similar to the best on the market - simply because YOUR initial investment has not yet been recouped. For the same reason, a competitor can temporarily reduce the price of his product to, for example, the cost price - completely painlessly, and without making a profit, simply without having debts - will force you out of the market.
    Import substitution was possible only with a protectionist state policy, and this is expressly prohibited by the WTO.
    GN YOGLI JUST DO THIS EARLIER.
    And your statement is naked populism. In words it is correct, in practice it is impossible. Low-profile methods.
    1. +8
      April 27 2023 09: 32
      It is impossible to get into the divided market.

      The theory of dependent development had existed for several decades at the time of the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, we could not understand what we were coming to. So in the current situation, there is no one to blame but ourselves.
      1. +1
        April 27 2023 21: 49
        Why should we blame ourselves? We are alive not because of, but in spite of.
    2. +7
      April 27 2023 19: 44
      To the author, on the finger, an obvious thing.

      If on your fingers - climbing into an established economic community - play by its rules. The doctor said a gas station means a gas station. And we'll buy the rest. As noted, almost no country has a full cycle of a lot of things, including electronics. And especially regarding our country - be ready to repeat Bulgaria, so many people are not needed.
      If you want to enter and develop like China - give the opportunity to earn on you not to your "patriot" thieves, but to Western companies. If they buy into it and build you a new industry, you will break off later, and factories, technologies, trained personnel will remain.
      If you don't want either way, don't destroy your economy with your own hands. Invest money in the reconstruction of enterprises, and not in yachts and export abroad. By the way, about a part of the Chinese did this, buying up old, even broken-down, machines in our factories in the 90s. And then, using the profit received from work, it modernized production 5-10 times in 30 years.
      But we had a national idea, the goal was to increase personal well-being - I stole a million, destroyed a billion ...
      1. -1
        April 28 2023 12: 07
        It seems that the author confused "God's gift with scrambled eggs"? If microelectronics is microcircuits, transistors, diodes, etc., then what does "parallel import" have to do with it? TVs, smartphones, tablets, etc. come from such imports, that is, finished products. Including repair kits for various industrial equipment and for foreign cars, cars and trucks. The situation in the Russian Federation with microelectronics, in my opinion, has developed because in the USSR the production of microcircuits was concentrated in the Baltic States, Belarus, Ukraine, for the most part. The production of microcircuits in the Baltic States and Ukraine no longer exists, in Belarus it has been preserved. In Russia, microcircuits were produced for the Minaviaprom, for the Minobshchemash (rockets and space), for the Minsredmash (now Rosatom) - these productions have been preserved, but of course there is no former diversity. It is especially a pity for the Baltic series of 1800 ....
      2. +2
        April 28 2023 17: 24
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        If you want to enter and develop like China - give the opportunity to earn on you not to your "patriot" thieves, but to Western companies.

        Quote from tsvetahaki
        But we had a national idea, the goal was to increase personal well-being

        Excuse me, are you aware that China has the highest number of billionaires in the world?
        1. +4
          April 28 2023 19: 16
          Excuse me, are you aware that China has the highest number of billionaires in the world?

          Excuse me, do you know what kind of economy China has?
          When I was in Vancouver for work, I came across their millionaires and investments in the Canadian and American economy. You won’t believe it, but at first they bought know-how for their business in China, then they organized firms in Canada to develop this know-how for China (he consulted in a couple of them), but yachts very much later. And about football clubs - did not hear.
    3. +2
      April 28 2023 14: 05
      You will not believe it, but in such strategic industries all the problems with competition you have described are solved at the state level. Subsidies. It doesn't have to be profitable all at once. The goal should not be to make money, but to develop production. The rest will follow in ten years.
      1. +3
        April 29 2023 00: 42
        You will not believe it, but in such strategic industries all the problems with competition you have described are solved at the state level.

        You forgot to insert one word "...should be decided at the state level." And also to be decided by those responsible for making a decision in favor of the state, and not, say, a relative.
      2. 0
        1 May 2023 17: 16
        The real trouble now is with logistics - since 2019, it costs three times as much to bring a container from China, 12 instead of 4 thousand dollars. This cuts off supply opportunities for small firms.
        Quote: Denis
        in such strategic industries, all the problems with competition you describe are solved at the state level.

        They are being solved in China - a ban on environmental activities, no requirements for treatment plants, filters on pipes, and so on. That is, first, quickly and more produce products, and this is the main thing.
        In China, 50 officials a year are shot by court verdicts, in the Russian Federation - zero.
        In China, the lowest taxes on production, with a warmer climate than in the Russian Federation, which is also a huge advantage. No snow pollution means cheaper heating, roads don't deteriorate, people don't get colds, and thousands of other benefits.
        But in the Russian Federation there are no programs on benefits for opening production facilities in the Krasnodar Territory, Crimea and Novorossiya. Although, under the guise of the SVO, it would be possible to free production in Novorossia from extortions in the FIU and taxes, for 10 years.
  4. +7
    April 27 2023 05: 58
    well, where is that chuvyrla who declared to the whole country that we will buy everything and we don’t need production
  5. +4
    April 27 2023 06: 01
    What will the new "tomato wars" give to the Russian Federation or the severance of relations with Turkey in general? Only that the Turks will cover parallel imports


    Does Türkiye have a monopoly on the transit of Chinese goods?
    There is a direct border with China. There are "partners" in the EAEU, the SCO. Or did all these "integration projects" remain just a flash mob of diplomats? Cargo can be transported by sea. And here it is not the territory that is important, but the confusing legal status of "laying firms".
    For whom Turkey has no alternative, it is for the leading sponsor of the Ukrainian regime - Gazprom. So the noodles about the "special relationship" with Erdogan come from the screens.
  6. +4
    April 27 2023 07: 33
    We do not produce complex electronics, but formally "domestic" is assembled from foreign components.

    OK then. And which country produces electronics exclusively from its own components? America? No. China? Also no. EU? And he is not. How then should we?

    The problem is different - in trading for money. For example, we sell vital raw materials in the USA. Like uranium or titanium. What are we selling for? For bucks. And they answer - they refuse to sell us what we need for them. Then why the hell do we need these dollars? Only so that our tops could steal them? But if you trade on a conditional barter - the question is different. Let's say - we give you 10 tons of uranium, you give us a ton of chips according to the attached specification. You do not want? So - there will be no uranium. And only so.

    After all, it is quite obvious - in the type of an open market economy it is fundamentally impossible to produce everything exclusively on its own. Well, how? There will always be someone who will do something cheaper than us, and therefore it will be more profitable to buy bourgeois there than inside the country. And nothing can be done about it in a capitalist economy. For the very goal of any capitalist is the maximum possible profit. For the rest - he cares about the pager ..

    Of course, you can play with duties and tariffs - but this also means encroaching on the pockets of very respected people. Which means it's not realistic either.

    Here socialism is another matter. With him, autarky is possible. But - he is among our tops nonecha the term is exclusively abusive, so .. There is not and will not be everything of his own in the Russian Federation. A-priory.
    1. +8
      April 27 2023 07: 40
      Quote: paul3390
      And which country produces electronics exclusively from its own components?

      What components are needed? Lithographic machines and trained personnel. Well, technology, of course...
      1. +1
        April 27 2023 08: 12
        And the development of chips itself - is it not necessary to take into account? Are there many countries that are able to independently design, say, a percent for a smartphone? Not to mention more..
        1. +7
          April 27 2023 08: 47
          Quote: paul3390
          There are many countries that can independently design

          I think that any country that has its own developed engineering school can do this. The obstacle is patents that are hard to get around. Or rather, impossible...
          1. +2
            April 27 2023 14: 34
            Yes, the entire stack of out-of-order execution is fully patented.
            And extremely cunning, absolutely barrage.
        2. +4
          April 27 2023 14: 32
          "Prots" (general purpose) is the pinnacle of technological complexity, if anything.
          Here, at least microcontrollers on Micron are normal to launch (RISC V), we have been waiting for many years. That seems to have been promised at the end of this year, we'll see.
          With Elbrus, everything is sad in terms of production, and in terms of the productivity of the pebbles themselves (for general purposes, again).
      2. +7
        April 27 2023 09: 16
        What components are needed? Lithographic machines and trained personnel. Well, technology, of course...

        To do this, you need to build about 20 factories. and +-10 thousand engineers.
        We still need a sales market of at least 300 million rubles.
        + state subsidies.
        1. +5
          April 27 2023 11: 14
          Quote from stelltok
          For this you need...

          Motivation is needed...
          1. +3
            April 27 2023 11: 58
            Mankind in its entire history has come up with only two ways of motivation - a carrot in front and a carrot in the back .. You can at the same time ..
            1. +6
              April 27 2023 13: 49
              Quote: paul3390
              carrot in front and carrot in back.

              Here our authorities are in the position of Buridan's donkey.
              And I want to, and prick and the United States does not allow.
        2. +3
          April 27 2023 14: 38
          sales market of at least 300 million
          The markets open to Russia are at least a billion. South America, Maghreb, Asia. Yes, the same India is already a billion.
          1. +2
            April 27 2023 14: 50
            There, China covers everything, it is hardly possible to compete with it on price.
            1. +5
              April 27 2023 17: 03
              it is hardly possible to compete with him on price
              China is no longer so cheap, and you need to compete with it in terms of quality - the Chinese themselves (with money) buy imported ones. In addition, in South America and India, the Chinese are, to put it mildly, disliked.
              1. +2
                April 28 2023 12: 29
                Still, due to mass production, they are extremely cheap. Quality, where necessary - on top. And as far as I know Asians, they buy imported goods not because they are better, but because they show off (for example, it is very noticeable in Japan - Mercedes are the highest chic) laughing
    2. +5
      April 27 2023 13: 16
      And these countries that cannot or do not want to produce electronics from their components announced their “special way; building a new world” or they don’t need this sovereignty - they will already receive French matrices and Taiwanese chips, since they agree to the role of “part of the Western world” and agree to join the division of labor by country (one state makes an engine, another ailerons, etc.)?
      Since we have decided to build our own world, to confront the West - to depend on them or on the East - is at least ridiculous. It turns out that we bite the hand that somehow feeds us (for money, of course)
    3. +8
      April 27 2023 14: 43
      "And which country produces electronics exclusively from its own components?"
      but they can’t find it, anyone will sell anything to them. and we have to do everything ourselves. and not from 23.03.22/XNUMX/XNUMX, but from much earlier. we have everything for this - heads, hands, raw materials. just no desire. I wonder what computer is in Putin's bunker? windows, or dew? Baikal or Intel?
      1. 0
        April 27 2023 22: 00
        Quote: aglet
        we have to do everything ourselves. and not from 23.03.22/XNUMX/XNUMX, but from much earlier. we have everything for this - heads, hands, raw materials. just no desire.

        Desires? Mmm.....
        Apparently, this is why the USSR cut circles around COCOM and came up with feints with their ears .....
  7. +9
    April 27 2023 07: 54
    In particular, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said back in January that he did not know what to expect in the future after the end of the special operation.
    One thing is for sure, it won't get any better.
    1. -13
      April 27 2023 07: 57
      "Wake up and sing" - not a song about you? And then it’s easier to immediately hang yourself and not pick your brains
      1. +11
        April 27 2023 12: 35
        Uh-huh, there will be a general welfare? Sanctions will be lifted, everyone will rush into our arms, Sweden and Finland will join NATO, they will refuse to join. Crimea, the annexed regions are recognized as Russian? This is on the one hand. Who will restore the economy of Ukraine? West? If, yes, then the second CBO will have to be carried out. Do we have muscles, filled with strength? Lan, with the economy, denazification, throughout Ukraine, will they carry out themselves? And in order not to strangle yourself, immediately, dream about what a wonderful life will come. Lavrov does not know what to expect in the future. You probably know.
  8. +10
    April 27 2023 10: 08
    in April, even with a VPN connection, it became impossible to order drones to the territory of the Russian Federation and Belarus

    At the same time, drones were sold to Ukrainians. Just friends at the Kremlin - one friendlier than the other!
    1. +2
      April 27 2023 22: 06
      Quote: Stas157
      Just friends at the Kremlin - one friendlier than the other!

      Also news to me ...
      Friends of the USSR - Hungary, the Czech Republic and Germany - tried to overthrow the Soviet regime.
      China sent weapons to Afghanistan.
      Socialist Albania and Yugoslavia were in conflict with the USSR.
      The African friends of the USSR - they are generally exclusively for money like "they built socialism."
  9. +3
    April 27 2023 11: 19
    Chubais played a special role in the collapse and deceleration of our microelectronics. He is most likely a foreign agent who did everything to stall this development. And apparently, an agent of a very high level, only this can explain that an official of such a high rank, with state secrets, left the country without hindrance: "The Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave." Apparently they made us an offer we couldn't refuse. And now new slogans, no strategy, no program.
    1. +13
      April 27 2023 12: 38
      Chubais played a special role in the collapse and deceleration of our microelectronics. He is most likely a foreign agent
      And did the patriots appoint a foreign agent to lead microelectronics? They gave money from the treasury, they created an enterprise for him.
      1. +9
        April 27 2023 14: 48
        "And did the patriots appoint a foreign agent to lead microelectronics?"
        why patriots? the president. but he was not noticed in patriotism laughing
    2. +3
      April 27 2023 14: 37
      Come on Chubais, unsolvable problems began back in the 70s laughing
      1. +5
        April 27 2023 14: 43
        What's up, lan? Did you solve them? At least a little, a little? For 23 years, what have they done? Chubais, holy? laughing He lives and lives abroad and makes good money, but here the ashes are already there. Not even at the level of the 70s of the problem.
        1. -2
          April 27 2023 14: 53
          We're talking about microelectronics, aren't we? She surrendered long before the Russian Federation and Chubais wink
          1. Alf
            +2
            April 27 2023 18: 26
            Quote: vadimtt
            We're talking about microelectronics, aren't we? She surrendered long before the Russian Federation and Chubais wink

            Just about, the economic basis of socialism has shown its complete inability to solve problems and be among the first. But now there has been no "nuance" of socialism for 30 years now, the free market rules, it is declared the only true one in Russia, and with electronics it is even worse than under the damned commies. What's the matter? What prevented in 30 years from doing everything at the level of world standards and proudly declaring, "They couldn't in the USSR, but we did"?
          2. +5
            April 27 2023 18: 43
            About her darling, so where is she, why didn’t the market raise her?
          3. -3
            April 28 2023 12: 32
            I’ll answer both at once - all breakthrough technologies must be developed on time, and then it’s useless to wave a saber - the train has left. The train of microelectronics left already in the 70s.
  10. +9
    April 27 2023 12: 43
    Domestic microelectronics died together with the USSR. And the last nail in its coffin was driven by imports, primarily of consumer and industrial electronics. I have repeatedly written that one military-industrial complex will never replace the volume of the civilian market. I think Russia is quite financially capable of building the entire technological chain for the production of microelectronics, even if using imported technologies, to train thousands of engineers, but what's next? Where is the market for all these plants? How much does the military-industrial complex consume, and how much does the civilian sector consume? There are orders of magnitude more smartphones sold in Russia than the military-industrial complex produces missiles. We have practically no production of civil and industrial electronics, and they are the main consumers of microelectronics. China just started with the production of precisely final products, gradually pulling up its base in semiconductors and passives. And we started our way to the market by killing our own radio-electronic industry.
  11. -1
    April 27 2023 12: 46
    Russia produces at least a quarter of the total number of chips in the country. Chips from 90 nm and above are produced (though not enough) at domestic factories. For most military (and industrial) equipment, this is quite enough, except for small ones (drones, etc.). Some electronic components are also produced (and Belarus also helps), especially those critical for military equipment. The civilian market is much worse.
    This is not to say that this is enough, but it cannot be said that everything is bad. Science is working, new factories are being built, work on our own lithograph is underway, almost all key problems have been resolved. Of course, everything is very difficult, but the processes are underway, and if the situation in the country and in the world does not deteriorate sharply, then there is no reason why the plans will not be fulfilled.
    Since the beginning of the NWO, the world has irrevocably begun to change. And it seems to me that no one will be able to predict now what these changes will come to. The entire world political and financial system is being redesigned, and no one has a way back.
    1. +7
      April 27 2023 13: 09
      The future is great, but what about now? Even the decisions taken right now will lead to the desired result for us not earlier than in 10-15 years. Meanwhile, I personally read warnings about the dangers of solid imports back in 2010. OK. But 2014 came, they began to block everything that was possible for us, it seems like they announced import substitution, but now it turns out that all this has not gone further than talk in eight years. Maybe it's time to look for the perpetrators and roughly punish - not for revenge, but for edification? Maybe it's time to get a little crazy? Add gestures?
  12. +3
    April 27 2023 12: 56
    Something tells me that our country has given up with a market economy in the near future. There is only one way out - a socialist economy. But I can't imagine how it might look in the current political conditions.
    1. -1
      1 May 2023 17: 26
      Quote: teron
      There is only one way out - a socialist economy. But I can't imagine how it might look in the current political conditions.

      In the 90s, I got my doctoral dissertation "Global warming as a chance for the Russian Federation." This is where to start. If in Europe or elsewhere "environmentalists" protest against "CO2 emissions", then these environmentalists should be found clogged with environmentally friendly logs. And plant management - to receive an offer of tax-free work in the Russian Federation, but under the condition of training Russian workers for another plant.
      And all possible programs to improve the climate. Only 7 percent of the flow of the Yenisei will turn Central Asia into the granary of Europe, filling the Amu Darya and Syr Darya. In the Central Asian republics, uranium is enough for many nuclear power plants for many centuries, so build and build so that electricity is the cheapest in the world. With strict price control - for a person or an enterprise, EE is not more expensive than one and a half selling prices of a nuclear power plant. Gasket firms, all these "moeks" and others - to deprive of citizenship and expel nafig.
      Well, increase the norms, up to at least 45 kilowatts per household, so that it would be cheaper to heat with electricity, and no one knows who does not pay for gas connection.
  13. +1
    April 27 2023 13: 37
    Quote: Yakut
    I think Russia is quite financially capable of building the entire technological chain for the production of microelectronics, even if using imported technologies, to train thousands of engineers, but what's next? Where is the market for all these plants? How much does the military-industrial complex consume, and how much does the civilian sector consume? There are orders of magnitude more smartphones sold in Russia than the military-industrial complex produces missiles.


    Where is the market? And what, only ordinary people need electronics? What about industry? And the state apparatus? What about transport?
    In fact, in the USSR, military electronics were completely independent and did not overlap much with civilian ones. And nothing, existed, having a technological level higher than that of a civilian (in the West - just the opposite).
    Yes, perhaps due to the narrowness of the market, the cost will be high, but so what? Is it necessary that market parameters, the notorious "efficiency and competitiveness" have the highest priority?
    To hell with it, let the industry be subsidized - we'll pull it. Sovereignty in this area is significant for the existence of the country, so you can donate money. Surrender of positions, capitulation - will cost much more and not only in terms of money.
    1. +9
      April 27 2023 14: 22
      In the Union, civilian and military electronics overlapped very much. The highest quality consumer electronics was made in military factories. In Russia, even though from imported components, civilian electronics are produced in trace volumes. We make a lot of auto electronics, industrial controllers, aviation electronics and other things that are not related to the military-industrial complex, but not household goods either. They killed the auto industry with the aviation industry, transplanting them to imports, and screwdriver assembly, as a result, radio factories were not born or stopped. What prevented the development of at least this direction? It's much cheaper than doing the production of components. No one in the leadership of the country has seriously dealt with this and is not doing it. Some declarations, conferences, forums and other parties. Right now, an experiment is being prepared to label domestic radio-electronic products. A bunch of copies there are broken. But no one answered the main question. Where is the label? I personally, being engaged in the production of electronics, have not seen at least a domestic resistor for 10 years. A year ago, an attempt to create a power source entirely on the domestic element base, beat off the slightest desire to continue to contact the remnants of the domestic microelectronic industry. I have not seen such a caveman's desire to work with people who pay you for a long time.
      1. 0
        April 30 2023 08: 34
        I personally, being engaged in the production of electronics, have not seen at least a domestic resistor for 10 years.
        Strange. Completely produce "Erkon" the same from Nizhny Novgorod.
        Rђ RІRѕS,
        I haven't seen such a caveman's unwillingness to work with people who pay you for a long time.
        It exists, and I don't know how to deal with it.
      2. +1
        1 May 2023 17: 28
        Quote: Yakut
        for 10 years I have not seen at least a domestic resistor.

        And about 10 years ago I went nuts that IRF24 costs ten times cheaper than the "Russian analogue", which they asked to put in a certain device. Plus the rudeness of suppliers who need to sell from the car.
  14. +2
    April 27 2023 15: 07
    Become in three words: China is bad, you don’t need to trade with it, but Turkey is good and you have to trade with it to your detriment, otherwise we’ll die

    Author non-liberal laughing
  15. 0
    April 28 2023 07: 55
    On problems with the supply of electronics and Russia's dependence on parallel imports
    The question is, how do we consider such/such a situation ... A PROBLEM that you can cackle endlessly over or a PURPOSE / TASK that you need to take on concretely and SOLVE, not in some foreseeable/not foreseeable future, but NOW !!!
  16. +1
    April 29 2023 04: 01
    The lack of a strategy is the main problem of the current situation.

    The fact that Russia has no strategy and no image of the future has been repeatedly admitted by high-ranking Russian officials.

    I absolutely agree with the author!
    By the way, this situation is observed in almost all spheres of economic activity of the state, no matter how it covers up its attempts, with national projects, technology parks, priority development zones, etc. and so on. At least initially they would attend to the problem of cheap long-term lending and stable / cheap energy prices, and preferential taxation for enterprises
    These preferences, it seems, are only for companies - monopolists, raw materials producers and banks
  17. +1
    April 29 2023 16: 12
    Well, if the chief, who does not read the Internet, acts only on the basis of the reports submitted to him, in which everything is going according to schedule, then why be surprised?
    Is the Olympics more important than the creation of modern electronics?
  18. 0
    April 29 2023 17: 49
    Still, it would not be bad to "find out a consensus" with the leadership of the central bank. With such a policy of his faithful servant of the Federal Reserve, what kind of development of the Russian economy can we talk about?
  19. +1
    1 May 2023 20: 20
    China is the East. And the East is very complicated and ambiguous... For China, we are temporary fellow travelers, nothing more... For China, its economy and finances, Europe, the Middle East and the USA are more profitable partners and allies than Russia .. For "allied" relations, the current position of China and all their peacekeeping nonsense is very strange. The arrival (visit) of President Xi to Moscow, and not to Washington, is a cunning eastern "move" in China's global politics - nothing more ... The Taiwan problem is at stake and those who, in the event of a military conflict, will "cover their backs" to China from the north of American missiles .... I may be wrong in my assumptions, but China first considers its profits and losses from each step, and is in no hurry to "appoint" enemies and friends, like that monkey (from Chinese wisdom) that sits on a tree and watches the fight in the valley of two tigers.... And these tigers are Russia and the USA + Europe. Whoever wins, the monkey will go "bow" to him, offering his services .... China is no longer the same as it was in Mao's time, today's China already has "its own game", in which there is no place for either the United States or Russia, nor Europe... I repeat, Russia for China is a temporary raw material companion and a convenient logistics hub, until... Until new profitable logistics chains and suppliers of cheap energy raw materials appear. Something like this ... I hope the enthusiasm, euphoria and material expectations from Mr. Xi's "epoch-making visit" to Moscow have already passed, passions have subsided and a real "aftertaste" remains that we are alone in the "imperialist encirclement" (as our unforgettable leader and teacher - V. I. Lenin) ... I would add that surrounded by the apparatus of liberal officials with "Chubais's" inclinations, the IMF's convictions and "Ruble" manners. And outside the window was the second war year ...
  20. +1
    7 May 2023 22: 56
    The article is about nothing. Another banal rant.
    In short - all enemies, it is necessary to develop soy