The soldiers of the volunteer battalion "Potok" PMC "Gazprom" left their positions, exposing the flanks of the PMC "Wagner"

An unpleasant situation has developed on one of the flanks of the Wagner PMC assault units, which continue their offensive against the Ukrainian Armed Forces positions both in Bakhmut itself and in its environs. As reported by the Orchestra fighters, the Potok volunteer battalion from the new Gazprom PMC, which was covering the musicians' flank, has abandoned its positions, thereby allowing the enemy to recapture the hard-won positions.

According to one of the Wagnerites, this happened to the west of Bakhmut, where PMC stormtroopers drove the enemy out of forest plantations. Since the "Orchestra" continued its offensive, units of the "Potok" volunteer battalion from the so-called new PMC, formed as part of "Gazprom", entered the positions recaptured from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, the enemy launched a new attack, after which the Potok retreated, abandoning positions and weapon. At least that's what they say in PMC "Wagner".

The enemy is bringing up more and more reserves, 20-30 people per hour, the work is being carried out around the clock. The neighbors who were standing on our flanks, the so-called DRO Potok, Gazprom's PMC, abandoned their positions in full force at night, abandoned their weapons (...) and so the "blue stream" leaked out

- said the "Wagnerian".

Thus, the "Potok" lost two positions, exposing the flank of the PMC "Wagner" and exposing the assault groups of the "Orchestra" under attack. As military commander Yevgeny Linin stated in his TG channel, Potok explained the retreat from positions by the fact that they are a voluntary unit that fights when it wants.

At the same time, a video message from fighters of the Potok battalion appeared on the Internet, blaming their troubles on the management of the departmental security of PAO Gazprom, a certain OOO Redut, and the battalion leadership, which failed to provide the personnel with the necessary weapons and artillery support. The fighters of the Wagner PMC also got it, allegedly forbidding the withdrawal of Potok from its positions and the rotation of personnel. The appearance of a new Gazprom PMC in the SVO zone was reported back in March of this year. It was assumed that the new company would stand in line with the Wagner PMC and help the Orchestra in the Bakhmut direction.

Comments

[Orange Bigg]

It's cool. Gazprom has already gotten to the PMC. But it would be better if it didn't start.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Orange Bigg

It's cool. Gazprom has already gotten to the PMC. But it would be better if it didn't start.

Well, there may just be a struggle between PMCs for fat state orders. After all, we hear criticism here from their direct competitor. And it's very sad that corporations are acquiring their own private armies. Hello to the upcoming Cyberpunk and class news. KLA stormtroopers launched a series of lightning strikes on Gazprom facilities, and RosAtom allied forces detonated an atomic bomb in Arkhangelsk. Now to other news.

[Orange Bigg]

Here they are the results of merchant psychology. We are sliding down to the level of Ukraine. There, too, the Kolomoiskys used to create their own PMCs, instead of building the Army, they began to create some kind of guardsmen. True, then the Americans came and began to help them build an army, abandoning all the pocket armies of the oligarchs. But history says that, as a rule, the oprichnina does not lead to good.

[Lionov]

Smart guys should at least start by asking what the oprichnina was by definition, what function it performed and who the oprichnik actually served, and then throw around terms they know nothing about. For the Russian state, the oprichnina was necessary in the conditions of the boyar unrest of that time to centralize power in the hands of the tsar, and not the then "oligarchs" in the person of the boyars. The ignoramus contradicts himself, study history crested.

[Yarr_Arr]

So don't overdo it either!
Oprichniki were the then "internal troops".
And as the practice of the Livonian War showed, they fought so-so ....
It turned out well for Peter, to create an almost personal guard. And Ivan is so-so

[Terenin]

Quote: Yarr_Arr

So don't overdo it either!
Oprichniki were the then "internal troops".
And as the practice of the Livonian War showed, they fought so-so ....
It turned out well for Peter, to create an almost personal guard. And Ivan is so-so

Firstly, the internal troops have completely different tasks than the Ministry of Defense.
We do not need to read pro-Western tales about the atrocities of the oprichnina. During the time of Ivan the Terrible, both the personal bravery and martial art of the oprichniks were at the highest level, which is confirmed by the exploits of Malyuta Skuratov in Estonia (the fortress of Weissenstein, during the storming of which Malyuta died) and Prince Dmitry Khvorostin in the battle of Molodi, the victory in which was a huge success for the Russian state.

[sgrabik]

There is no need to touch the Wagner PMC, the guys there are well trained, they fight efficiently and professionally, in nothing except weapons they are not inferior to our regular army, but all those incomprehensible Potoks from Gazprom, this is a truly pathetic sight, they do not help there, but only hinder our professional military, and what kind of ridiculous statements are these: we fight when we want and how we want, or you fight as our high command needs, or do not fight at all, not hindering others from fighting.

[Alex_mech]

all sorts of incomprehensible flows from Gazprom

It's just that Gazprom hasn't organized a PR campaign yet. Wait a bit and they will start praising these, not those

[dmi.pris1]

Open the video where Prigozhin deals with the retreated. People were stupidly deceived by those who hired them, did not prepare them.

[sadam2]

Prigozhin's information noise also needs to be divided by five. Competitors are multiplying before our eyes, and the flow of prisoners has ended.
If God forbid the blockade near Bakhmut doesn’t clear up, it will be the end of all the PR.
I looked at the comments - I don’t have time to follow the change of shoes of our sofa shelf))). a month ago, everyone here campaigned for more PMCs of all kinds and different

[forty-eighth]

Quote from Sadam2

a month ago, everyone here campaigned for more PMCs of all kinds and different

A month ago, advice was given to the Wagnerites to abandon positions due to lack of ammunition)))
And now, to the other guards of the position, throw no way

[fif21]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Open the video where Prigozhin deals with the retreated. People were stupidly deceived by those who hired them, did not prepare them.

PMC "Wagner" has everything of its own, from attack aircraft to aviation. Combat experience. "Potok" is a division of OOO "Redut", volunteers from VO "Gazprom". Look at their equipment and weapons! Did Prigozhin have enough intelligence and conscience to allow them to cover his flanks? And OOO "Redut" should be held accountable for equipment, weapons, training... I think that how they treated people is what they got.

[aleks700]

The Ministry of Defense promised Prigozhin to cover his flanks. And we see how it did it.

[sgrabik]

I completely agree with you, that's exactly how it works.

[Alex777]

Quote: fif21

Potok, a subdivision of OOO Redut, volunteers from VO Gazprom. Look at their equipment and weapons!

There are rumors that these poor fellows are paid 400 thousand a month.
There were hopes that the Wagnerites would run across for a long ruble.

[Reader_lover]

I heard such a story. That the Rostov police went there en masse. Even from the traffic police. But it is clear that not everything in the war is measured by money.

[sgrabik]

A large salary is not yet a guarantee of successful operations at the front, well, Gazprom pays them a lot of money, and we all see how they work it out at the front.

[bayard]

Quote: fif21

Potok, a subdivision of OOO Redut, volunteers from VO Gazprom. Look at their equipment and weapons!

One gets the impression that the towers have not only divided assets, subsoil and production, but also taken the Moscow Region into private ownership ... And they compete with other PMCs. How to understand all this mess? Why is anyone fighting on the fronts? Where is the Army? Why are all these structures and formations not included in its composition?
Some "Redoubt" (God forgive me) snatched out a contract for the provision of military services, hired security guards from Gazprom, and by deception imposed on them a contract with their loved ones, and not with the Moscow Region, as they were promised.
Equipment, weapons, equipment ... you look at their shoes!
This is some kind of coven of absurdity, not SVO.
And then there is an insider from the Firebomber about the creation of another PMC (name not specified), which, among other things, will have its own air wing of at least two squadrons, one of which is on the Su-34. I don’t know where they are going to get Su-34s for her (there are no more than 120 of them in the troops anyway), but the pilots themselves are recruited from ... COMMAND UNITS !!! They already called out, and almost all the tops in the shelves raised their hands ... HOW IS IT ?? And without that, the "SMALL" army of the Russian Federation is being disassembled into PMCs, even with aircraft? What the hell is this? (plant)
What is this circus anyway?
The country is waging a war that is not called a war, the Army is not being mobilized, the people are campaigning for a contract (consider the RF Armed Forces being turned into the same PMC), but private "armies" breed like rabbits.
... We laugh at Western politicians, but ours are no thinner, they can also surprise.
Maybe we even want to abolish the state? Even if the war and defense of the state were left to the mercy of private traders?
I believe that if some companies want to participate in the SVO, then let them take charge of specific units (albeit volunteers) of the RF Armed Forces. They buy ammunition and equipment for them, pay them bonuses, purchase the necessary means of communication and copters, sights and thermal imagers, provide other property necessary for the war, but the subordination of all formations to the NMD must obey and be part of the structure of the Ministry of Defense. And not to arrange a circus and shame ... and even with such "appeals" to the camera.

[Alexander Kuksin]

Yes, there were people in our time! Not like the current tribe ... Where are you, the people of the "attack of the dead", where are the defenders of Brest ... Who fought to the death with a three-ruler for three, in windings and torn overcoats ... Now we can't hold the defense without toilet paper! When we want, then we fight! The liberalism of our President will bring him to the Ipatiev basement. In some ways, the Chief Dolbalschik of Russia Solovyov is right - SMERSH is needed! Only Solovyov should not be given a leather jacket and a Mauser.

[Denis]

Well, why don't you yourself stand, to death, with a three-ruler? To equalize the Second World War and the current "SVO" and demand that people behave the same way towards them, well, you have to be quite close-minded.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I think if you were sitting in a trench, and during an enemy attack, your neighbor would have decided, “Well, what the hell, I’m a volunteer and I decide for myself when I came, I left and in general ...” your rhetoric was different.

[Stinging Nettle]

On emotions, I want to break loose on the one who is closest to everyone, but if you think with your head, then everyone has a common source of trouble - those people who, out of stupidity or intentionally, substitute our fighters with weapons, if it is true that there were such problems.

[Alekseev]

"... where Prigozhin understands ...
They were deceived, they were not prepared. Let's hope that Prigozhin and whoever else is supposed to sort this out and that those who left their positions without permission will get what they deserve. Not a single person trying to avoid combat, regardless of the side, has yet said that he does not want to fight.
Excuses that ukrov have, that ours have the same type. Chauffeur, cook, mobilized, did not ask
deceived, the commanders ran away, there is no communication, no cartridges, provisions, etc.
When the leader of the peoples was the supreme leader, did they also act like that?
They probably said the same. But not in print. And, unlike today, in each division there was a tribunal and penal companies, and for officers there were penal battalions as part of the army.
Or have there always been crimes in combat conditions, but not now? It is unlikely...
Only yesterday there was a dispute: who is to blame, if what kind of failure?
We are pressing on the generals. And, probably, they are to blame in many places.
But everyone, and not just a high-ranking officer, must be responsible for himself and his actions.
Suvorov won thanks to the presence of miraculous heroes trained under his leadership and Bonoparties too. And according to Comrade Konev I.S. , with his soldiers and officers in 1945 it was possible to storm the sky.

[Stinging Nettle]

With today's order, how to organize the responsibility of generals for problems with weapons and artillery? How will these problems be known at all if the fighters are good boys, do not run from positions and record videos? Purely practical answer, how to get through to the leadership? Under Stalin, there was a system of informers-observers, plus any soldier could write a denunciation, and this denunciation would reach the leadership. And now?

[lemeshkin]

Well, yes, well, yes, denunciations are the very thing, they took place in the 30s of the twentieth century.

[sgrabik]

In general, it’s time for us to start asking much tougher questions not only from the generals, but from each officer, from each fighter, distinguished himself in battle as a hero, receive a well-deserved reward, but if you were cowardly, retreated, betrayed your comrades, left the weapons or equipment entrusted to you, then be ready to go under the tribunal, you need to atone for guilt, and not look for any excuses for yourself.

[man]

Well, there may just be a struggle between PMCs for fat state orders. After all, we hear criticism here from their direct competitor.
Unlike PMC GAZPROM, Wagner has a REPUTATION!

[UAZ 452]

Well, yes - they have been successfully advancing in Bakhmut since August. Three months later, you can already prepare for the celebration of the anniversary.

[sgrabik]

Wagner has not only a reputation, but also experience in military operations, professionally trained fighters and excellent interaction with our army units, especially with the Airborne Forces, the so-called PMC Potok from Gazprom has nothing close to this, let them first learn to fight themselves, and only then someone is criticized there.

[Plate]

Quote: BlackMokona

hello to the upcoming cyberpunk

Ha ha ha, but today the coolest private army is in Russia. So hold on, comrades, the center of the world Cyberpunk will be in Moscow!
Guests of Moscow City, please be careful! The streets are quite dangerous.

[topol717]

Quote: BlackMokona

And it's very sad that corporations are acquiring their own private armies.

When working abroad, only PMCs can guarantee the safety of interests.
And so having your own PMC is quite a sober start, but ... there are 2 big differences between being and seeming.

[Alex777]

Quote: BlackMokona

And it's very sad that corporations are acquiring their own private armies.

This PMC has been around for 20 years. But it's one thing to guard the fence, but
the other is to conduct combined arms combat. So it became clear who is who.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

In fact, it is not a PMC, but a private security company. And in general, I immediately recall the case when in winter 20 brave Siberians came back from the front shouting that they were ready to fight for the Motherland, but in the deep rear. And then they shoot and it is scary.

[Rome]

To be honest, breeding a mess based on cutting the budget and the desire to remove losses from the statistics of the Ministry of Defense and hide them in different PMCs and not be responsible for them, instead of strengthening the army, is very disappointing! the head of the head is obviously busy with something else!

[Robin Robinson]

And the truth is that it turns out to be a complete cyberpunk, and moreover, I was always afraid that in the future we would have a world like in cyberpunk, and apparently we are getting closer to this, to which we have sunk

[Myths]

There are no words, there are a lot of emotions, but if you write what you want, even literary, they will ban you for it. It is worth checking the information and writing without emotions.

[ugos]

''in Potok, the retreat from the positions was explained by the fact that they are a voluntary unit that fights when it wants'' and [ against whom he wants]I added this

[Berendey]

Well, as A. Raikin said: "...roughly speaking, I don't dare say, and to put it mildly - there are no words." Although what is there to express, it's just that the entire personnel of the PMC "Potok" is reported to smoothly and very quickly flow into the Russian Armed Forces. Otherwise, you see, they arranged a "daisy" - "I'm fighting - I'm not fighting."

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Berendey

Although there is no need to express it here, it’s just that the entire personnel of the Potok PMC was reported to smoothly and very quickly flow into the composition of the RF Armed Forces.

or to places not so remote. leaving positions, sort of like, from the section of crimes. and there, maybe Prigogine will take on stormtroopers.
no, seriously, what kind of Makhnovist gang is this that "today we are at war and tomorrow we are broke." picked up from the stall on the ad.

[saygon66]

And who will present them? These people have nothing to do with state services, they are not mobilized... Unless Gazprom fires them for violating the terms of their employment contract.

[cast iron]

I wonder what kind of legal norm they will go to jail? They are not mobilized. Not soldiers of the Russian army. They are private individuals. Well, if only to bring for illegal possession of automatic weapons

[Rome]

Quote: Berendey

then, you know, they arranged a "chamomile" - "I fight, I don't fight."

And this is a question for the Moscow Region, how do they sign contracts in general? Either contract soldiers calmly quit with the outbreak of war, or PMCs can afford to fight whenever they want!
Who is responsible for the combat capability of the units? How, according to PMCs, could an unsecured and understaffed unit, and therefore a non-combat-ready unit, be put on the LBS ?!
Such a PMC needs to be disbanded, the fighters should be distributed among the "iron" units, they should be given to the same Wagnerites and the situation with the demolition in the command of the group should be investigated

[saygon66]

Here again.... Well, okay, a PSC can be closed, but to scatter employees among other PSCs - how is it? And if they didn’t sign a contract with the Moscow Region, they are completely free birds ...

[Stinging Nettle]

Quote: Berendey

quickly flow into the RF Armed Forces.

In the sense of quietly going to the rear and getting a high salary?
I think "Flow" will be happy with your offer.
And then they sent for an assault, like some kind of mobilized.

[Berendey]

You see, my dear, in the RF Armed Forces, unlike the Makhnovists, in the sense of "Potokovites", there are certain rules, like "if you can't - we'll teach you, if you don't want to - we'll force you". And no "daisy chain", only disciplinary regulations.

[sgrabik]

If only in the Penal Battalion, for such, to put it mildly, "art" they should not provide them with anything other than a penal battalion, how is it generally understood that we want to fight, but we don’t want to, some kind of nonsense, it generally smacks of betrayal and this needs to be dealt with seriously.

[Mikhail Ya2]

What article? They have nothing to do with MO. They can only be judged for mercenarism

[bk316]

.Gazprom has already reached the PMC

Ha see you were not in Siberia.
Gazprom troops have been operating there for decades.
For example, you need to get to the upper reaches of the Sosva, a wonderful river and what is typical is that the further from the mouth, the larger the fish. Therefore, it makes sense to raft down it. Transfer either by helicopter, which is expensive, or through the Ural Mountains on a shishiga (even a normal SUV will pass there). The only problem is that the only road is occupied by Gazprom troops. I'm not kidding, there is a road, but there is a gas pipeline not far from it, so the road is closed by Gazprom and it doesn't matter that you have permission, and the road is not officially closed. The lawlessness is that I had permission signed by Vyakhirev. And it doesn't matter that you need to negotiate with the field commander, there is no other way to call it. In other places it is about the same.

[Aerodrome]

I'm sick of "miracles"... exactly, once a week, it's worth going in and taking a look, but somehow everything is not very good. How can I get rid of the desire to spit in the face of the "marked" bear, the beast, who made porridge.

[cmax]

Quote: bk316

.Gazprom has already reached the PMC

Ha see you were not in Siberia.
Gazprom troops have been operating there for decades.
For example, you need to get to the upper reaches of the Sosva, a wonderful river and what is typical is that the further from the mouth, the larger the fish. Therefore, it makes sense to raft down it. Transfer either by helicopter, which is expensive, or through the Ural Mountains on a shishiga (even a normal SUV will pass there). The only problem is that the only road is occupied by Gazprom troops. I'm not kidding, there is a road, but there is a gas pipeline not far from it, so the road is closed by Gazprom and it doesn't matter that you have permission, and the road is not officially closed. The lawlessness is that I had permission signed by Vyakhirev. And it doesn't matter that you need to negotiate with the field commander, there is no other way to call it. In other places it is about the same.

You are fantasizing. Vyakhirev finished his command at Gazprom in 2001. I worked in the area of ​​Beloyarskoye, Sosva, Igrim, Berezovo for 18 years. We went fishing for Sosva herring, no one limited us in any way. A winter road is a winter road even in Africa, you can't drive anywhere else except along it in winter, and in summer it's gone. In summer we went along the river on motorboats. Ob, Severnaya Sosva, Kazym, and a helicopter.

[bk316]

What are you fantasizing about? Vyakhirev ended his command at Gazprom in 2001.

So it was in 98.
And before you write and try to accuse me of lying, you should first read more carefully.
You didn’t even specify which Sosva, okay, Northern.

So you are talking about the lower reaches of the Sosva. From Igrim to Bedkash or to the village of Sosva. By the way, I have fished there more than once or twice.
Here.

But I'm talking about the UPPER reaches in the Hulimsunt area. It's 500 km by motorboat from Igrim. Have you been there? That's it.
But there is a pretty decent road across the ridge. Here is a photo.

That's where they didn't let us in.

[Sergey170861]

Gazprom troops are stationed along the entire gas pipeline line that goes through the Sverdlovsk region. And on another namesake of the northern Sosva, just Sosva, there are UGMK troops. There, in the Ural Mountains, they mine copper in an open-pit manner. All the muck is dumped into the adjacent rivers.

[bk316]

.And on the other namesake of the northern Sosva, just Sosva, there are troops of the UMMC.

Didn't see it, but heard it. No, I understand that objects must be protected, but why, as soon as people are given power and God forbid weapons in their hands, they immediately begin to behave like kings ....

[sgrabik]

There are no troops there, what are you talking about, this structure, this is the security service, yes, such a service exists in Gazprom, but it is certainly not intended for any large-scale military operations.

[cast iron]

But you and people like you naturally did not guess to write complaints to the prosecutor's office, the police, the administration and the president's office, right? They understood, they understood, they said the idiotic phrase "Gazprom's wax is here and nothing can be done" and into the bushes - continue to whine on the site.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: cast iron

But you and people like you naturally did not guess to write complaints to the prosecutor's office,

Is it in the taiga, write to the bears?

[cast iron]

Write to the bears. You are not capable of more.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Is it in the taiga, write to the bears?

her, write to Lenin, and personally bring the bears

[Egg]

Quote: cast iron

But you and people like you naturally did not guess to write complaints to the prosecutor's office, the police, the administration and the president's office, right? They understood, they understood, they said the idiotic phrase "Gazprom's wax is here and nothing can be done" and into the bushes - continue to whine on the site.

You probably live in Canada...
We have the same situation with the oil workers, they blocked everything, the hunters wrote to the prosecutor’s office and the administration and the governor of Yamal, it’s useless, competition in hunting grounds is not profitable for these figures, and the prosecutor is not only allowed in everywhere, but they themselves carry.
The only thing they achieved was that they moved the post ten kilometers away, and now they have access to a lake and a couple of oxbow lakes.

[Incvizitor]

I would not trust the rear to these capitalist pigs from Gazprom.

[Piramidon]

Apparently they hoped that Gazprom would pay them as it pays its managers, but it did not grow together.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Piramidon

Apparently they hoped that Gazprom would pay them as it pays its managers, but it did not grow together.

I suspect that the idea of ​​​​creating this PMC was submitted by the PR department of Gazprom for the sake of "creating a positive image of the company", having seen enough of the same Wagner.
The practical implementation was entrusted to the Gazprom security service.

And then something went wrong.
I personally know several employees of the Security Council of Gazprom and Rosneft. Not one of the biggest bosses, but far from "infantry".
I will not say that ordinary employees are recruited in the protection of clothing markets. But they work more efficiently in the clothing markets, because there are those who were born late in order to become a bandit in the 90s.
And the "guards" of "Gazprom" are puffed up turkeys, effectively working only against grannies and mothers with strollers, when they block the sidewalks 20 meters to the left and right in order to "follow" the authorities from the office door to the limousine by the side of the road.

И about weather about money.
Of course, at Gazprom, security guards are paid more than a school security guard from a private security company opened by a retired district captain and his friend, a fire inspector. But their work is not combative and not operational. Their job is to restrict access. To individuals, to the territory, to buildings. Everything else is zero. Dressed in suits combed herd. Watchmen in ties, damn it. The best thing that those who know how to do is to stand with a smart look and watch around.
They hoped that Gazprom would pay like in a war (they promised that they would pay big bonuses!), And they would have to work like in an office at the checkpoint. Just not in a suit and tie.
But it turned out that they were shooting there not from rubber arrows, but for real. And, if the seat itself has played, then you can’t call the police at 02 (and for some reason they go to the offices of Gazprom with much more pleasure than to show off a drunken husband and wife).

In general, this is not what "Gazmyas" was counting on. Everything turned out to be for real. And the boys decided that hanging around in offices, although not so profitable, was safe. They threw down their machine guns and "waved their hands at Wagner".
In my opinion, retreating when people rely on you, when you are "hanging" on someone's flank, is criminal. If not according to written laws, then according to human, male laws, according to the laws of war. And this stain in the biography cannot be washed off with vodka or soap.
Only they didn’t think about it - they really wanted to go back to the office ...

And separately the management of "Gazprom" to flog the PR service. They wanted to rip off the nishtyakov on the authority of Wagner, but they brought Gazprom, which was not already suffering from an excess of popularity among the people, frankly into a stinking puddle.
You need to think with your head, at least sometimes be distracted from choosing a new yacht, before giving the go-ahead to the crazy ideas of various "creatively thinking" PR people.

[sgrabik]

Protecting and fighting are two big differences.

[isv000]

Quote from Orange Bigg

It's cool. Gazprom has already gotten to the PMC. But it would be better if it didn't start.

Gazprom has always had a high-level security structure, with weapons, helicopters and special equipment. The selection process was tough, preference was given to former military personnel with combat experience, and re-certification was carried out frequently. So it was not difficult to create a PMC based on Gazprom's security structure. As for the content of the article, you have to sleep on it, as they say. Until recently, the VDV covered Wagner's flanks. How structures that had not yet proven themselves in combat ended up in the front lines is another question! Not long ago, they also showed a recording of a group of soldiers addressing the authorities, where, among other things, a major speaks after a lieutenant and looks over - am I saying everything correctly? A group from the trenches, two weeks in the mud and blood, with corpses - but they are dressed to the nines, shaved, etc., etc. Take care of your ears!

[zloybond]

Well, guarding a gas pipe in the forest and fighting are two different things. These new mercenaries had different expectations. Guarding offices and objects of non-national heritage is another thing.

[isv000]

Quote: zloybond

Well, guarding a gas pipe in the forest and fighting are two different things. Expectations were different for these new mercenaries. Protecting offices and objects of the Non-National Treasure is another matter.

Well, then, squeezing Claudia and squeezing boobs is a completely different matter! It was said in the scriptures: people with combat experience were accepted into the guard, mainly! Having fingers is not enough, you also need eyes and the most calibrated tool!

[Ivan F]

"People with combat experience were mainly accepted into the security service!" - that means "good" experience. I remember in Chechnya, there was also a stream of combat veterans who had never been further than Mozdok, but they immediately got "combat experience" there. These are the "experienced fighters" who hang out in the Gazikov security service.

[zloybond]

I will say something seditious: they said that there are units of the Ministry of Defense on the flanks! Then Ukrainian popper and the flanks were exposed. And suddenly, judging by the video disassembly of Prigozhin, there was some "Stream" on the flanks. Prigozhin is angry. It is clear, he castrates those who fled. But apart from a handful of fighters shown, there is no equipment, commanders, statements. Everything seems clear. And suddenly a request about the death of a deputy. Prigozhin responded by posting a report of the commander of the assault squad online. There, in black and white, it is told about the death of a group, which included the deputy, who (ATTENTION) went to close the exposed flank after the positions were abandoned by the Ministry of Defense units!!!!
I will say that the neighbors know each other, the interaction is linked. And the Assault Commander could not be mistaken who his neighbor was, who fled, he wrote a document.
So it seems to me that this fake "flow" was invented to save someone's face. Well, the staff commander responsible for organizing the defense could not entrust the flanks to several fighters, knowing that there was nothing there except people. Or did the staff officer compromise the defense??? I don't think so. So there was no flow. But that's my opinion.

[Egg]

Quote: zloybond

Expectations were different for these new mercenaries.

Well, it’s not for them to bend their fingers at the posts and scuttle defenseless shift workers around the towns of contractors, here bullets fly.
There, apparently, they were promised that they would stand in the second, third echelon, civilians shmonat, but it turned out that way, the bloomers went on the attack, so the Gazprom "guard" ran

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: isv000

Gazprom has always had a high-level security structure, with weapons, helicopters and special equipment. The selection there was tough, preference was given to former military personnel with combat experience, recertification was carried out frequently. So it was not difficult to create a PMC based on the security structure of Gazprom.

Technical support at the level - I do not argue with that. There is money - so you can equip it no worse than James Bond. But after all, technology in itself does not fulfill a combat mission.
But with people...
Yes, formally there are requirements for AT LEAST military service. And it's good if a regular officer. Even better - not a "comfrey", but with special training.
It's just that reality isn't like that.
I personally know one. They have some kind of hierarchy there, but he said that in translation into the army language he was something like a company commander there. Has been operating for about 20 years. He did not serve urgently - "not fit in peacetime." As a child, he suffered a severe trauma. Graduated from the Polytechnic Institute, military department, fees - from "jackets". Master of sports in mountaineering. Formally, the requirements for the candidate are met. I don’t know what he is worth in the war, but I wouldn’t want to see this on my flank.

[AAK]

Yes, to hell with this PMC, I just can’t understand one thing - why is PMC fighting on the most important, relevant and dangerous sector of the front, and not the regular army ?! Until recently, all the media played films about the fact that the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation were working on the flanks of the Wagner, now it seems that it is no longer the Airborne Forces, but some kind of "stream" that "leaked" and "flowed", where is the whole army? Where are the contrabasics, mobiks, leopards, bobiki and others?...

[Sid2014]

Is she regular? Now some kind of "blue stream" has formed and disappeared. However, we will soon find out who we are and what we are really capable of !!!

[zloybond]

Judging by the reports, Wagner is at war. Well, they show how conveniently the trenches are built for real military men. Wagner fights, storms - pride and respect. The stream is gone. Are the others dug in and watching? As they say: "They are actively defending themselves."
The front line has been taking place in the suburbs of Donetsk for the eighth year...

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Is the regular army ready for such losses that the Wagner bears? Is society ready for such losses of the regular army? Any Ugledar becomes a topic for discussion (and justified indignation) for weeks to come. And for Wagner, "it was Tuesday."

[Sid2014]

And how will society react to the loss of new territories or, God forbid, Crimea or ...

[Vladimir Tkachev]

Who will ask him, the society?

[flyer]

The political image that our authorities and strategists from the Moscow Region protect so much.
Society reacts differently to the death of a mercenary or a conscript, and the media clearly distinguish this.

[Bulrumeb]

Yes, it turns out some kind of anti-Midas: what it doesn’t touch, it doesn’t turn into gold, but into ....

[Sergei Sokoloff]

Gazprom is a huge pit riddled with a web of corruption through from the top to the bottom level, and with the clan, incl. Western Ukrainian shelf from the time of its creation. Keeping the defense standing to the death is not about them. Profunkat, shit, buy, sell, resell, wring out, roll back, ride, throw, etc. - it's about these ruffles. And in order to stand on the enemy with your chest or lie under a tank with a grenade, you need real guys with a different corporate culture.

[Dingo]

But it would be better if I didn’t start. If you don’t know how, don’t take it.

I said many times - hucksters cannot and will not fight! No matter how you call them - PMCs, organized crime groups, organized crime groups, "GazMyaso" ... "Leaving positions" (in another way, just desertion) - whatever one may say, but this is Art. The Criminal Code, the court, the convoy and the camp barracks ... But something tells me - they will smear ... Other hucksters ... Have you heard their motto - "We don't leave our own"? So, they will smear it off ... and they will throw some more dough - "for moral costs" ...

[saygon66]

And it has always been like this ... It’s easier for a huckster to pay off racketeers, and not to fight them to victory ...

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote from Orange Bigg

It's cool. Gazprom has already gotten to the PMC. But it would be better if it didn't start.

At Gazprom, holes in the streams are already a habit.

[skeptic]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Cool. Gazprom has already reached the PMC

So this, in the spirit of prihvatizatorov. And here we decided, for free, to stick. They recruited watchmen, but here you really need to fight. Here is the result.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote from Orange Bigg

But it would be better not to start.

What officials of Gazprom, such are their mercenaries.

[Reindeer]

What kind of nonsense? o_O" PMC Gazprom? LLC "Redut"? Battalion "Potok"?

[opuonmed]

Evgenia Prigozhin spoke about this))))))) the rich wanted their army to play soldiers, but they cannot provide and manage and do not know how)))

[Ryaruav]

pavel, they generally don’t know how to manage except for their own pocket, how many losses Gazprom has that they either don’t tell us about or pass off as a victory

[Leshak]

Quote from Reindeer

What kind of nonsense? o_O" PMC Gazprom? LLC "Redut"? Battalion "Potok"?

This is not nonsense. This, unfortunately, is reality.

[hector]

Quote: Leshak

This is not nonsense. This, unfortunately, is reality.

Fantastic films come true - corporations are trying to seize the functions and powers of the state. We are adopting the experience of the Colombian cartels - each baron has his own army, state and security forces they run errands or sit at bases and do not rock the boat. Dark times await us.
P.S. And why does Russia take the worst from there?

[igorbrsv]

For me, it’s already enough to produce PMCs. To hell with him, there is Wagner, and let him eat. The rest to ban to hell. Unfortunately, you can’t get rid of the chops, but at least they are not so armed and have not participated in hostilities until now. Then we won't get into sin. No ... We must stop now. Chopovtsy want to fight - let them join the armed forces under a contract

[Dingo]

Chopovtsy want to fight - let them join the armed forces under a contract

Yeah, schuzzz... run away...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: ettore

Quote: Leshak

This is not nonsense. This, unfortunately, is reality.

Fantastic films come true - corporations are trying to seize the functions and powers of the state. ?

There are private prisons... in 1983 the first prison was privatized, in 1986 a private prison for youngsters was built from scratch, in 2011 in the United States 107 private prisons and in them sits 85604 prisoners.
As an example, the oldest SSA prison corporation - 46 zones (prison) of its own and 21 state prisons under private management.
Private prisons participate in the defense orders of the US state, in 2012 - 100% of helmets for the military were produced in private prisons.

On the topic of the article ...
Gazprom PMCs need to be used to capture the gas transportation system of Ukraine - I don’t see any other point in the existence of Gazprom PMCs ...

[hector]

Quote: cat Rusich

There are private prisons in the US...

So the United States, in its power structure and principles of work, is more like a corporation than a state

[saygon66]

No wonder... In our time, the Corporations are the main shareholders of the State... Moreover, they are the owners of a controlling stake.
By allowing the privatization of all major assets, the State placed itself in direct dependence on the will of the Corporations. Partial nationalization could save the situation ... but - alas!

[voyaka uh]

Special forces "Sberbank" and rapid reaction forces "Soft Toy". :)))

[Aerodrome]

Quote from Reindeer

What kind of nonsense? o_O" PMC Gazprom? LLC "Redut"? Battalion "Potok"?

this is not nonsense ... realities.

[rocket757]

The soldiers of the volunteer battalion "Potok" PMC "Gazprom" left their positions, exposing the flanks of the PMC "Wagner"

Interesny layouts are obtained!?!?!?
There is no point in commenting, let's wait until the RESPONSIBLE people start talking, explaining ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: rocket757

wait until people RESPONSIBLE start talking

Who is this, Konashenkov, or what?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Quote: rocket757

wait until people RESPONSIBLE start talking

Who is this, Konashenkov, or what?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Who is this, Konashenkov, or what?

What does Konashenkov have to do with it? He represents the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and Potok is a private shop.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

and Potok is a private shop.

Then, probably, Miller is responsible there.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I will reveal a military secret to you. If the Ministry of Defense is not aware of what PMCs are doing, then such a Ministry of Defense must be driven with upholstered rags.

[dmi.pris1]

So Prigozhin says, explains .. Do you want the Supreme to explain all this? You can wait a year for his explanation ..

[Aviator_]

Is it that every private security company can now come to the front and fight at will? Where is the army? Unless it's fake, of course.

[Gardamir]

Where is the army?

good question!!! Simply golden!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Aviator_

Is it that every private security company can now come to the front and fight at will? Where is the army? Unless it's fake, of course.

It seems that this is our army. PMCs, mobilized, contract soldiers, private security companies, people's squads, militias, the National Guard, volunteers, couch troops ... Have I forgotten anyone?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Have I forgotten anyone?

it’s also not clear from whom and from where military correspondents are different, today here, tomorrow in Leningrad in cafes he spends a creative evening

[Mordvin 3]

And also Kadyrovtsy, royal wolves..................

[novel66]

, royal wolves ..............

Royal vodka!

[novel66]

Unless, partisans, they are not there yet, but only for now

[UAZ 452]

In our rear there is, something or someone is blown up, periodically they are caught, liquidated. In the enemy - if there is, then so far they are conspiring. Probably getting ready.

[spirit]

. Have I forgotten anyone?

There are also wooden troops of urfin jus, but they are not ready yet, the master is trying in 3 shifts, but does not have time yet. we are waiting, we hope

[Dingo]

They forgot about the "Sewing Troops" ... The girls are all colonels and generals, from a personal harem ... oh, I mean, "guards" ...

[T-100]

Is it that every private security company can now come to the front and fight at will?

K-capitalism is "his mother". We strived for the private, and we get a private army.

[AdAstra]

And from this follows the question - where is the state?

[hector]

Quote from AdAstra

And from this follows the question - where is the state?

Somewhere, in Karaganda.

[Roma 1977]

Some kind of bullshit. When the principle of unity of command is violated, it is pointless to talk about anything at all.

[January]

What a machismo. That is, they just wanted to and left the front? They did not like the provision and the contract is not like that? For such things during the war they are shot. If it's true of course...

[dmi.pris1]

Unfortunately, this is true. I watched the full video with these guys and with Prigozhin. They try not to replicate it, there are a lot of normal Jewish words. About the army ... There are no words at all, only because they can sue from scratch. mobilized work colleagues, they were on vacation in March

[Vladimir Tkachev]

sometimes you need to shoot those responsible for providing. In the Second World War they already went through this - "here's a sapper shovel for you, you'll get a rifle in battle."

[UAZ 452]

For such things during the war they are shot. If it's true of course...

Unless, of course, this is a war.

[Gpn27]

If you want to serve, go to the Ministry of Defense or PMC Wagner. There is nothing to produce incomprehensible streams.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Gpn27

If you want to serve, go to the Ministry of Defense or PMC Wagner. There is nothing to produce incomprehensible streams.

So PMC Wagner is superfluous here, there is an army. So serve there. The army does not work well, so let the state reform. There are no leaders, so appoint Prigozhin as Minister of Defense.

[novel66]

And a good idea!!
Ttttttttttttttttt

[Jul888]

When you start to storm, like Wagner, then you will chat about who is superfluous there.

[Sebostyuan]

I'll add. If I had the opportunity to form a battalion, with a fighter's salary of 500 thousand rubles, I would form companies with FPV drones. But a private battalion on the front line would cause more problems than benefits.

[al3x]

Well, that's not the point. When I want, then I fight. Gruzdev called himself get in the body. And by and large it is time to regulate the actions of such formations at the legislative level. Now all sorts of Sber PMCs, Rosneft PMCs, etc. will pop up like mushrooms after rain, but will it be possible to rely on them? In the end, these are armed people, and everything related to weapons and military operations should be regulated by the state.

[Carlos Hall]

Is that Pancho Villa's army? If Stalin raises his head... execute the deserters.

[Nexcom]

No, these are Angel's boys. Before the fighters of Pancho Villa, they are like walking to China.

PS Emiliano Zapata personally executed his deserters. This is not PMC Gazprom ....

[Wildcat]

.... it happened to the west of Bakhmut, where PMC stormtroopers knocked out the enemy from forest plantations. Since the Orchestra continued its offensive, units of the Potok volunteer battalion from the so-called new PMC, formed as part of Gazprom, entered the positions recaptured from the Armed Forces of Ukraine
.....
A video message appeared from the soldiers of the Potok battalion, who blamed the leadership of the departmental security of PJSC Gazprom, a certain LLC Redut and the leadership of the battalion for their troubles, which did not provide the personnel with the necessary weapons and artillery support. The fighters of the PMC "Wagner" also got it, who allegedly forbade the departure of the "Potok" from positions and the rotation of personnel.

If all these words are true, then I don’t understand what is happening at all.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Wildcat

I don't understand what's going on anymore.

mess-s

[Zamira]

Quote: Wildcat

If all these words are true, then I don’t understand what is happening at all.

Not you alone ...
I do not understand too...
Although ... - maybe I understand, but I'm still afraid to speak out loud about my understanding ...
You never know how my "word" will "respond" ... "We are not given to predict ..."

[Mavrikiy]

What did you want? Everyone wants dough from the state budget, even for PMCs. They will come in handy in the struggle for power legally armed, with crusts, .... In addition to Wagner, disarm all PMCs and let them dig trenches.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

And send all the volunteer battalions to dig trenches. There is no need for unknown illegal armed groups to be at the front. If you want to fight, sign a contract.

[fa2998]

The army used to fight, under a single command. Now there is a whole set of different formations - Volunteers, PMCs, the Army, Police Corps, the Russian Guard (and the Chechens separately) - they all blame each other, they don’t fight well, but confusion at the front. They don’t fight like that.

[AdAstra]

Well, a strange, sorry, special military operation.

[sdivt]

Someone recklessly put yesterday's private security companies (or whoever they are) in responsible areas. And even more so - thus creating Wagner's dependence on the whims of these guys.
About the concept of discipline - I don’t even say it, it’s generally beyond comprehension - "they are a volunteer unit that fights when it wants" (with)

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

This is what I have been talking about throughout the SVO. Volunteer battalions are evil. Echoes of civil war and anarchy. People who are not bound by obligations have come to the front and at any moment have the right to leave the trenches and go home. This is already an example. Or it could end in disaster. All this has already happened near Narva, when such dashing fighters with Dybenko at their head ran all the way to St. Petersburg. If you want to fight, join the army and fight.

[Victor Leningradets]

I’ll clarify - the bulk of them right up to Kostroma!

[dmi.pris1]

And if the "war is tight" in the army? Give examples over the past year? What to do?

[AdAstra]

Do not splurge and do not start what you started.

[man]

That's what I've been talking about the entire CBO. The good guys are evil. Echoes of civil war and anarchy.
So we have a civil war ... smoothly flowing into a world war ...

[1 z1]

Again, information from tyrnet, therefore, for what I bought, for that I sell.
It seems that now you can get to the SVO either through the PMC "Wagner" or "Redut". Or as a volunteer in BARS. Allegedly there are few vacancies in the Ministry of Defense, mainly for rare specialists.

[dmi.pris1]

Nothing of the kind. On the contract, please. If everything is in order with health.

[burigaz2010]

Yeah, right now, last week they called from the administration, lured them in. They don’t recognize where they got the number from. They had a meeting, the damn plan was carried out!

[Volunteer Marek]

I'm afraid that this is the beginning of the end of the story with the Cheka. And maybe that's for the best. After all, there is an army for war. Although, there is no real war, on our part, there is a NWO. And our real blood. If only all our "defense-offensive" would not crumble. Many were waiting for this, some with anxiety, some with hope.

[Igor1915]

Fighting is not for me ... Shake. This is not given to everyone.

[Ryazan87]

"Redoubt" - PMC, organized and supervised directly by the RF Ministry of Defense. Armament, supply at the level of BARS. Well, the results are similar.

[gurzuf]

Everyone is tired of Gazprom with the FC Zenit project, so it will also dishonor the Motherland with PMCs.

[jamonchik]

Paws away from your dirty Zenith! And don't speak for yourself

[gurzuf]

Judging by the "+ -" it turns out that the paws are yours

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

they are a volunteer unit that fights when it wants to.

in my understanding, there should be a ONE command and ALL military units are OBLIGED to obey him, I wrote earlier that all these PMCs are more like the Makhnovshchina

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Drive this stream with dirty rags from the front. Let them guard their pipes in the deep rear. Bring the leadership to trial by military tribunal.

[VIT101]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

Drive this stream with dirty rags from the front.

Well, well, well... remove them. It wasn't for the good of their lives that someone put them in this place, they didn't choose it themselves. And if they are removed, who will plug the holes? Apparently, not everything is so good with us with the number of bayonets.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I think the situation here is completely different. Miller and his partners at the top simply decided to PR themselves and screwed up right away. But we need to push, otherwise we can end up with a catastrophe. Unfortunately, we don't have commanders with an iron will who will send all this camarilla and establish normal military order, stuffing all this "freedom" in the frontline areas into the wallets of business and idle people.

[Roman_vh]

Is this surf or trolling? Potok, Gazprom, South, North, Donetsk, everyone ceases to understand what is happening there. However, people are dying on both sides, drones are already falling in the suburbs.
Pugacheva sells his mansions, cyborgs again crawl out onto television screens. In short, operetta and vaudeville, only bloody.

[ugos]

It’s good that they didn’t go over to the side of the enemy, otherwise they would say in justification: '' They pay more there, and the uniform is prettier''

[Dva parovoza]

I would like to juicy and capaciously express my attitude to all this. I will confine myself to "your house shook the pipe." And I will wait for the next fairy tales from the Ministry of Defense.

[hellcos]

to the Wagners in full force for re-education. Although it’s easy for me to write from the couch and the details are unknown

[Ulan.1812]

What does it mean - we are volunteers, because we fight when we want?
Under the tribunal and judge.
Anarchists also turned up.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

They have no right. They are not legally bound by obligations. It's like in a partisan detachment: I want to fight, but I don't want to. I hand over my machine gun and go home. It's a different matter if you volunteered for the Armed Forces and signed a contract. Everything is clear there.
And these...

[Arbeiternegast]

And these...

Does the management of "these" receive money for the database? It means to hold the leaders of this PMC accountable for non-performance of work, negligence, which endangered the security of the state! Even indirectly! But such "nuances" are a direct threat to security ...

[single-n]

Mdyaya. Just starting to calm down that the RF Armed Forces had established their rear. And here you go. VVP will play himself out with these squads and gangs. Not an army, but a market gathering. Tomorrow they will open Belyashnye PMCs. That VVP does not look like a strong leader. He has been strengthening the vertical of power for 22 years, but at the front there is a hodgepodge of God knows who. But I wonder if it is the same crap in other areas? Well, there are 23 central banks or 47 Dumas? No private courts have appeared?
And with PMCs I propose a startup. You do not want to serve, but you need the image of a hero. Go to us PMC - "Horns and Hooves". For a little money, we will arrange that you serve whoever you want. And if you don't like it, you can go home. Yes, and in principle, you can not appear at the front at all. We also remove convictions. You can't even be blamed for your past deeds. You are now haroy!.

[Kurganets-45]

an interesting legal incident turns out, a person is fighting in the Gazprom PMC, for example, and can no longer be called up on the mobilization agenda, while fighting at will. If you do this at any other job and work at will, then you will instantly fly out and find yourself behind the fence. To be honest, I do not believe that a PMC can fight on its own and at will. It is necessary to flog the leadership of this PMC, and inside they will sort it out themselves.

[UAZ 452]

Go to us PMC - "Horns and Hooves". For a little money, we will arrange that you serve whoever you want. And if you don't like it, you can go home. Yes, and in principle, you can not appear at the front at all. We also remove convictions. You can't even be blamed for your past deeds. You are now haroy!.

Who do you teach to do business? All this has already been implemented, only I don’t know about the PMC "Horns and Hooves" - they are called differently.

[Al manah]

And when the notorious counteroffensive of the Salofags begins, will these brave warriors suddenly go on vacation?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Al Manah

And when the notorious counteroffensive of the Salofags begins, will these brave warriors suddenly go on vacation?

And it, I think, is already beginning on the sly.

[Petr_Koldunov]

What a freak show! Of course, we fight when we want ... but if we want, then a contract is concluded for the performance of military services. And while the terms of the contract are not fulfilled (by result or by time), there can be no unauthorized departure. For this they were always shot!

[PVV66]

Kapets! Makhnovshchina is something. I want to fight, I want to walk. If you cover your comrades on the flank, be kind, hold on, their lives depend on you. Disband, let them smuggle bags at the checkpoint again, this is apparently the only thing that they are good at.

[mark1]

Corporate armies... - the future is looking through the peephole!

[Ingenegr]

A normal state with a normal army in a real war does not need PMCs. At all. Fundamentally. How a Formula 1 car does not need a radio and a winch.
It's like the difference between a symphony and a cacophony. After all, not everyone has forgotten I.A. Krylov's fable "The Swan, the Crayfish, and the Pike"?

[Sid2014]

A year later, it became completely clear that we have nothing NORMAL. However, this has been seen before. Do you think dear partners did not feel the moment ...

[Old Horseradish]

Oligarchic feudalism in full bloom. My vassal's vassal is not my vassal. It's only the beginning.

[1 z1]

The main harm that the funny Chvkas cause is the pull of people to themselves. And those who consciously chose the military profession. Naturally, the organization of training, supplies and everything else will be at best a C. For state corporations and government agencies, such projects will be a priori failures. The management lacks motivation, they already have their own piece and authority. So, if Gazprom fighters ended up in the same PMC "Wagner", where the organization of combat work is created at a high level, they would become heroes.

[UAZ 452]

And why do you fundamentally distinguish PMC "Wagner" from other private armies? Let them have a better situation with combat training - they do not retreat, but continuously advance. In the same Bakhmut. Successfully. Since August. But as for motivation... In such organizations, corporate loyalty prevails over any other, including in relation to the state. What if tomorrow Prigozhin or someone behind him decides to use this army for their own purposes? And does anyone know how musicians are financed? They are not self-sustaining. What are the terms of their contract, and with whom did they conclude it? Do they pay by piece or by time? If time-based, then it is clear why Bakhmut has been taken since August.

[maiman61]

Well, yes! Stealing Gazprom and fighting are two different things! It is necessary to fight the mind and ability!

[bambr731]

in Potok, they explained the retreat from the positions by the fact that they are a voluntary unit that fights when it wants.

Drive such volunteers out of there A little pressed and screwed. There is no hope for them. Like they are fighting, getting combat, but a little something - to the side.

[26rus]

Yes, it is not necessary to drive them, but to court. At least under the article "leaving in danger"

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

PMCs are generally an invention of the Americans. Its goal is not to involve the official authorities in regional conflicts abroad. The use of PMCs on the territory of their country is complete nonsense. Because there is an official military operation. In principle, there should not be any PMCs in such a situation. And in no Siberia or anywhere else should such armed formations be used. Otherwise, the Makhnovshchina will begin (already has already begun). The state should have one army - the official one. The rest is only under the control of Foreign Intelligence for operations abroad.

[Man from afar]

@ You are greedy, not very smart, but you firmly hold the monopoly on resources and want fame like Prigogine
@ You create your own PMC, saving on everything they need, so that in the end, when your underachiever succeeds, put more in your pocket
@ You put them next to Prigozhin's guys, you continue to squander equipment and ammunition, but you expect triumphant headlines like Wagner
@ The first appearance of your "warriors" in front of the general public - "Fighters of the volunteer battalion "Potok" of PMC "Gazprom" left their positions, exposing the flanks of PMC "Wagner""
@ "Someone made a mistake, but it's certainly not me. Time to raise tariffs for the population to recoup the costs of this adventure"

[vvn_vl]

just business... it's a national treasure

[Olga Cherdak]

either "Nevsky", or "Gazprom" do not know how to fight, there is no organization and there too !! The mess is out of control!!

[Irkutyanin]

That's right ... what kind of warriors from gas))))

[Irkutyanin]

To drive everyone who spreads his fingers. Prigogine is right.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Irkutyanin

To drive everyone who spreads his fingers. Prigogine is right.

moreover, together with Prigogine, his public bazaars with the Moscow Region are already sick of

[Baloo]

To persecute the traitors. With such difficulty, the recaptured positions were handed over to the enemy. There are no words, only non-verbal vocabulary. And why are such volunteers needed at the front. Yes, and Gazprom itself, isn’t it time for an audit to arrange who is there with dual passports and citizenships and what they do. Ordinary employees for 20-30 thousand barely make ends meet, but for top managers 20-30 lyams are not enough.

[valek97]

Sounds wild. When the state gives the right to violence into private hands and private sharashkas begin to multiply, dangerous precedents then turn to political habits.

[Alexey Sommer]

All the leadership of the so-called Stream in the soldiers and send to recapture the lost positions.

[hector]

units of the Potok volunteer battalion from the so-called new PMC, formed as part of Gazprom.

Is this a mockery of common sense, or a joke from Gazprom? They finance Dozhd, and now maybe they will do the same liberally - an opposition PMC? Or let them protect the Turkish Stream, the Northern ones failed to protect it.

[Uncle Fedor]

if we take into account the payment for the transit of gas through the territory of khokhlonistan, then they also finance the whole

[askoldson]

I am fine with this news. Two sharagas with unclear legal status blame each other for cases in which they should not participate as independent organizations.
PMC: Wagner, Gazprom, Sberbank and Yandex are next in line? Peskov Jr., according to forged documents, allegedly worked in Wagner and received a government award. We are waiting for the hero of Russia Ilya Medvedev in the Yandex.
Khokhlosyur crazy some.

[Losyara]

Please note, "sharaga with an incomprehensible legal status" fights in such a way that it has become a legend and brought glory to Russian weapons, unlike some organizations with a legal status and receiving salaries from the treasury.

[UAZ 452]

In August it will be a year since they successfully stormed Bakhmut (pre-war population - 75 thousand people). This is really a weighty claim to the status of a legend.

[The pilot's son]

. I hope Evgeny Viktorovich will be able to ask the guilty. And share with us.

[askoldson]

And who is this Evgeny Viktorovich? And this is the CURATOR of the orchestra, who, in violation of the law, got a lesson from the zone, who, in violation of the law, on forged documents, accepts whoever is in the company with the issuance of military weapons to them.
Well, who are the culprits? The same incomprehensible personalities from the muddy office?

[AdAstra]

But we have a state or something, that some "Evgeny Viktorovich" there should ask something from someone.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

If we had a state, in the first place it would ask from "Evgeny Viktorovich" himself.

[isv000]

... According to one of the "Wagnerites" ... At least that's what they say in the PMC "Wagner" ...

It is not so easy for Wagner employees to get an interview, because the principle of "Don't talk!" up there at the top. Moreover, only authorized PMC employees can make such statements and accusations.

[Nikolaevich I]

Hmm...damn! It turns out that "thaw" has not only geographical and seasonal concepts! But wherever it is, it is always accompanied by mud...streams of mud! Has "thaw" reached the VSR as well? Or has "someone" started confusing volunteer battalions with partisan detachments? And with "partisan warfare" (the further into the forest, the fatter the partisans)? What a pity! It is a great pity that in Russia, there is still no United, Motivated, Disciplined, Well-Trained, Excellently Armed "Force" in sufficient (!) numbers to wage a modern war! That is, a real (!!!) Army! A million-strong "army"...but no one to fight! Russian armed "formations" still sometimes resemble, if not "partisan", then "semi-partisan", "quarter-partisan" ... "units! Yes ... and in the Great Patriotic War there were militia, volunteer units ... But more often these were words, because from the beginning of the formation in such units, army discipline and a single army command were established! In the armed forces of Russia "a lot and more" conscripts of impressive paper numbers, but not capable of fighting effectively and skillfully! This is what the one-year term of service has turned the army into! With a 2-year service, the SA, maybe "poorly or not", but fought "itself"! I remember my service ... The first year was spent "getting used to" the army and "primary" mastering weapons! And only in the second year of service did they begin to "work on equipment" independently, with meaningfully and with "pleasure"! By the end of my service, I was working according to the standards for a 1st class specialist... and I didn't get it "officially" only because of a disciplinary "failure"... and I was in the position of warrant officer as the head of the hardware department!

[Yapet100]

Something that reminds me of a period in the history of Russia, when there were atamans, fathers, red, white, blue and others ...

[Sid2014]

Reading all the comments is scary! How EVERYTHING IS DEGRADED!!! AND WE THINK TO WIN!!! IF ALL THIS IS TRUE THEN....

[VladimirNET]

Prigozhin’s conversation with Stream, and how “it all ended”:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/10776670230567739199

[hector]

Quote: VladimirNET

Prigozhin’s conversation with Stream, and how “it all ended”:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/10776670230567739199

This is the second video that he will not be forgiven for.
If the ruling class of Russia does not change its behavior in favor of the country, this SVO has every chance of repeating the Russo-Japanese War; the oligarchs and “intelligentsia” of that time behaved similarly, only with even more dire consequences. The Japanese will receive the Kuril Islands, the Finns Karelia, etc.

[VladimirNET]

Quote: Ingenegr

A normal state with a normal army does not need PMCs in a real war

You YOURSELF answered why we need PMCs,
Prigogine also speaks about this:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/10776670230567739199

[UAZ 452]

The link no longer works, I must think it was erased.

[Dali]

Quote: UAZ 452

The link no longer works, I must think it was erased.

Everything is working. I even downloaded it via https://ru.get-save.com/1-1/

[Crane]

This is what caught my eye - "... a certain LLC "Redut" and the leadership of the battalion, who did not provide the personnel with the necessary weapons and artillery support."
Art support! Provided! LLC "Redut"!
What are you doing there? Are you crazy?

[UAZ 452]

That is, PMC aviation no longer surprises anyone? Well, yes, we’re used to it. But how does art support differ from this from some LLC? It’s interesting: will privatization of nuclear weapons be carried out? Can an individual entrepreneur without forming a legal entity apply to participate in the sale?

[Vdi73]

Look at Prigozhin’s trip through these retreated parts in the telegram and you will understand everything. Gazprom decided to play soldier. It’s impossible to put an end to this without swearing, and because of these “generalissimos” from the ruble, you can screw up the war and put all the people to death.

[runway-1]

It is curious that the situation with private armies (and not only with them) and the problems associated with this partly confirm the predictions of the anti-communist I. Shafarevich published at the end of “perestroika”. He wrote that if we copy only some of the results of the development of Western society, we will most likely get something more similar to Latin America than to the ones desired by the reformers of the USA and Western Europe...

[UAZ 452]

Yes - there is no more reliable path to collapse than trying to take the “best” from different, incompatible systems, discarding the worst. The resulting chimera is unlikely to be viable.

[Moskal 55]

In any case, there is definitely one culprit. This is Gazprom. His PMCs blame him. If they are even partially lying, then why did he kill them? And if they really didn’t have any weapons, communications or intelligence equipment for a long time, then again it’s Gazprom’s fault.
So for now you need to get 1 million bucks from this Gazprom for everyone who left their positions, and then, when the debriefing takes place, then maybe. and one more thing... And the escaped figures will be punished depending on the degree of guilt, this goes without saying. There are no laws according to which you can get money from Gazprom for this mistake? Yes, everyone there is all their own... Talk to them convincingly, so they themselves will list the loot!

[UAZ 452]

Shoot them? First, at the very least, the status of the PMC needs to be specified. And this particular "Stream" may not have been paid on time, so they left their positions on strike. So what? There is no war, they have nothing to do with the army, so their activities are determined by the norms of the labor code, and there is nothing said about executions.

[UAZ 452]

For state managers themselves, the percentage is approximately the same, so where will the “near-state” ones get another?

[Anatoly Tokarev]

In fact, it's a blue stream.

[Fangaro]

PMC "Gazprom"... Yeah... Several PMCs...
Journalists!!! Stop!!!
Or stop the proliferation of PMCs!
Personal civil opinion...
There are PMCs in our country. Maybe not one, but 2-3. They are needed where those who have taken the Oath to Russia cannot be deployed. I agree that the country may need such formations.
But PMC "Gazprom"???
Where are the PMCs from Rosneft, Sberbank, Rosseti, VTB, MICEX, DomClick, 1C, SurgutNefteGaz, ORT, Lenta, DNS, Magnit, Perekrestok, KrasnoeBeloe...?
Where are the PMCs IBM, BP, Boing, NASA, Sony, TSMC, Shell, Total, Fiat, TI, Matrix, AMD, Siemens...?

[Losyara]

What kind of suckers are these?!!! We also recorded a video message!!! What the hell is this PMC?! What a bunch of clowns?!

[UAZ 452]

Haven’t you seen the video messages of the Prigozhinskys online? Now this won’t surprise anyone.

[Prisoner]

Shabashniks. They chose the wrong place, you bastards. The title is appropriate, but not complete. "Flow of manure", Old Man MakhnA's gang! When we want, then we fight, wherever we want, we run, “volunteers”, EPRST!

[m.cempbell]

Well, there may simply be a struggle between PMCs for rich government orders. After all, we hear criticism here from their direct competitor

Even if this is so, then the orchestra is fulfilling this very “fat state order”, but the Millerites, it seems, came purely for the money on a safari...

[UAZ 452]

For military courts, at a minimum, war is necessary. And in our country people are dragged to court just for the word “war”.

[Vasily12]

There is no other way to catch up and destroy every single one of them, with deserters, scum should not live among us!

[oops]

Before writing anything negative, take a closer look at the video that talks about the lack of weapons and ammunition. Yes, the Stream has departed (if this video is not just a fake), but what to defend with with pitchforks and shovels (120 rounds as they said and 4 magazines per battle, that’s enough for a few minutes of battle)? In addition, PMC Wagner, in fact, of which many are criminals, and note that there is no article there. 228 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, they are not taken from zones to PMCs, and in order for a person not to serve 10-25 years, he goes to PMC Wagner, risking his life to clear his criminal record in half a year. So you shouldn’t compare Gazprom’s volunteer detachment, which must lay down its life but not retreat, with... And of course, I’m interested in where the Russian armed forces are, and not PMCs.

[Kuziming]

Without Latynina and Venediktov there will be no fighting spirit.

[ZHDun903]

In the situation of the Northern Military District, such a situation looks like a betrayal of the Motherland. What measures will be taken? Where is the defense of the country and where is the show-off in the office not explained or not instilled.

[AdAstra]

Here's grandma and St. George's Day, fellow adherents of the "holy and sinless PMC."

[Primus]

Quote from Losyara

What kind of suckers are these?!!! We also recorded a video message!!! What the hell is this PMC?! What a bunch of clowns?!

The command must be responsible for such a mess in the organization of defense! Who exactly put these idiots in a responsible position to cover the flanks and who did not control the provision of artillery and air support? The impression is that the continuation of the autumn events is planned for the spring. Irresponsibility, incompetence or sabotage?

[Million]

When will this mess end! There is no way they can coordinate the actions of all formations!

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Interesting. Ukrainians, after all, also have a zoo - in addition to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard, the “Foreign Legion”, the Security Service of Ukraine, border guards and even the patrol police have their own combat units. But somehow they obey a single command and do not pull the blanket on themselves (each promotes himself, but not at the expense of pouring slop on others). So you can’t immediately understand who has a powerful vertical and who has 404.

[THIS IS GRANDFATHER]

About exposing the flanks:
Unknown building
The 7th Guards Nizhyn-Kuzbass Mechanized Corps, the breakthrough corps, would die almost completely two weeks before the end of the war. In April 45, making its way to Leipzig, it would be surrounded. The 2nd Polish Army, which covered the flanks and rear of the corps, would flee, unable to withstand the blow of the German tank group of General Scheiner. After two days of bloody battles, only a small part of the corps will break through from the town of Bautzen. . Documents and banners will be saved. Almost all brigade commanders will die.

[Frank Muller]

Harun ran faster than a doe,
Faster than a hare from an eagle;
He fled in fear from the battlefield,
Where did the Circassian blood flow;
M. Lermontov, poem "The Fugitive"

[Private SA]

Quote from Fangaro

Where are the PMCs IBM, BP, Boeing, NASA, Sony, TSMC, Shell, Total, Fiat, TI, Matrix, AMD

PMC "Akademi". Plus "Grey Geese" from other countries.
What would we expect from the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, on the battlefield under
artillery shelling?

[Mint Gingerbread]

What nonsense this is all.
It’s time to send PMCs from Lukoil or Tatneft, otherwise Gazprom can’t cope.
People are a little surprised, not by the fact that someone left their positions there, but akin to when they found out that PMCs have their own combat aircraft. Only here the role of aviation is played by the largest raw materials company, which suddenly has its own mini army. There are no questions for private security companies, but there are definitely questions for PMCs.

[NKXXI]

Everything is very simple. Why are PMCs used en masse where a regular army should operate? Because, if we take the population as a whole, war is not popular in their minds. There is a split in society, since it is one thing to approve of the regime’s policies in opinion polls, and quite another to go somewhere to fight, where they can get killed. And there is no idea, no ideology that would accompany the military campaign, and most importantly, there is no example of the elite itself in terms of its willingness to endure hardships and die. Who will die in the trenches for the oligarchs and top-echelon officials up to Putin, if they sit in the rear and carouse in palaces, burkers, on yachts, etc., and their sons and daughters dream of Parisian bars? Exactly the behavior of the bourgeoisie and the tsarist elite during WWII, although the nobility there were more active in the war.
What about today? And now this leads to a shortage of reserves, since it is clear that the people will not approve of full mobilization, and the economy will not withstand the transfer of the country to the EaP regime. The images of long columns at the borders, when the authorities hinted at partial mobilization, are eloquent. And even this, it seems, could not be implemented (and someone is laughing at Ukraine). As a result, the lack of a regular army and a mobilized rear force forces everyone to be thrown into the front line, including all sorts of rabble such as criminals (it is not yet clear with what articles), fanatic nationalists. Plus, given unemployment and low incomes, there is a massive need to attract people who want to earn money (there’s no point in talking about any idea here at all). The lack of forces forces the adoption of laws allowing the participation of explosive units in combat operations. And the regime will not do anything here, because apart from these “units” there is no one to patch up the front, and there are already statements about increasing the army by more than 100 thousand. Where will they come from if the country is dying out, and there are fewer and fewer young people. They will call for a contract, which will only increase the burden on the economy and deprive it of labor resources. And all this under the sauce of some kind of “WWII 2.0”. Laughter. There are few ideological people at the front, but there are plenty of the above. In the real WWII, by the way, there were no mercenaries, because the war was completely different in its content. This, by the way, also applies to the myth of “unpreparedness” in 2014. It’s as if she is there now, watching all this.

[VPK-65]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Open the video where Prigozhin deals with the retreated. People were stupidly deceived by those who hired them, did not prepare them.

You mean it video?
https://ok.ru/video/4850640095872

[Seryoga Nemuslim]

Russian Post, Russian Railways and other clumsy monsters get ready.

[Michael Y]

Gazprom has an Achilles heel there - a pipeline to Europe.

[ivselim]

As I understand it, the guys from Potok are the ones who guarded Gazprom’s fields in third world countries?

[Dmitrius]

Quote: fif21

PMC "Wagner" has everything, from attack aircraft to aviation

How is it that PMCs suddenly have their own aviation and artillery?

[AlexWar]

The Gazprom PMC wanted to earn money; no one is going to die there. In the army, retreat without an order means arrest, first of all, of the commander.
For abandoned positions, they can receive compensation according to their salary

[Alexgen]

What do you mean - when we want, then we fight?! Do they have commanders? And who sets tasks for them? And when a combat task is set and it must be carried out, will they also want to carry it out, or maybe they won't?! This is not a force where there is no discipline and orders are not carried out! This is a rabble of mercenaries.

[oleg Pesotsky]

To tears! Involuntarily, I remembered the times of the Middle Ages, when each vassal came to serve his master with his own militia. What is the feud, so is the number and weapons. Then the late Middle Ages, where armies of mercenaries took part in wars. Pay and wait to win. Judging by the diversity of units taking part in the Northern Military District, you understand that times and eras have collided. Only little is heard or seen about the army. Everything is attacking and advancing somewhere, it’s not clear where and how, but is that the goal? As they joke - A samurai has no goal, only a road.

[t.maru]

A new type of fraud? Receive payments and “get out” - and all because you want to “eat the candy and don’t climb the pine tree.”

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

"People's Treasure". Causes contempt and disgust. (Ono Gazprom)

[Rybkin]

PMCs have spread like fleas on a mangy dog! And if Miller got in there....

[George Miloslavsky]

What does it mean when we want to fight?! What kind of valuntarism is this in combat positions? Ehh, it’s a pity that the NKVD is not here right now. But for some reason it looks more like a duck.

[aleks700]

I'm not surprised. Although they wrote that the Defense Ministry occupied the flanks.