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Russia has always been!

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Now Russia has its own ancient история! It was officially recorded by the participants of the First International Congress "Dokirilovskaya Slavic alphabet and pre-Christian Slavic culture", which was held on 12-14 in May 2008 of the year ...

Russia has always been!Many people know the famous prophecy of the Bulgarian clairvoyant Vanga about the fate of the world in the twenty-first century. In accordance with the prediction of Vanga, the United States of America will not be in the form in which they are still trying to rule the planet by inertia. Unfortunately, Western Europe will be flooded. When Wang was asked about Russia, at that time brought to his knees by B. Yeltsin, the light suddenly flashed in the clairvoyant’s blind eyes, and pride sounded in his voice: “Russia will sweep away everyone!”
Wanga did not interpret her prophecy. This was done by one of the most famous children's poets in our country, Sergey Vasilyevich Yeremeyev, by the way, the former Izvestia correspondent. In particular, he said: “In the twenty-first century, the planet will receive the Russian miracle - the unique, successful and just civilization of Russia. Our people are synthesizing the multi-thousand-year-old wisdom of the East and the business acumen of the West that has been worked out for centuries. ”
According to the conviction of the president of the Academy of Basic Sciences, Andrei Alexandrovich Tyunyaev, such a synthesis existed originally. Precisely because Russia is great, Russia was civilized ... always!

1. Cyril and Methodius only changed the handwriting in the Russian letter

- Andrei Alexandrovich, is your conviction about the eternity of Russia based on a hypothesis or is it based on historical facts?

- Any hypothesis without facts is unlikely to cause a huge public interest. Meanwhile, the interest in real, not invented, and centuries of imposed history today is truly enormous. This interest is due to quite understandable desire. We want to know as much as possible about our ancestors, about their culture, about their beliefs, about their origins. Moreover, the counter-propaganda is still underway. Including, unfortunately, some domestic historians. Until recently, the following postulate was forcibly crystallized in a multitude of human minds: until the 9 century, Russia was a wild community of dense, illiterate people. And only with the advent of Christianity, allegedly, the long-awaited enlightenment began. Fortunately, a significant part of modern Russian scientists have other opinions on this subject.

- In short, science does not stand still?

- The Academy of Basic Sciences gives a significant part of the strength and resources to the study of the history of Russia-Russia. So, according to our data, the history of Russia has at least 30 thousands of years. And, again, this is - at least. In fact, it is possible that these are even more significant figures. But these thirty thousand years are not the state of savages, as other unfortunate researchers tried to expose, but a glorious history full of accomplishments.

- But what about the baptism of Russia and the enlightenment brought by Cyril and Methodius?

- Here we are dealing with ingrained historical propaganda. Although about baptism, not everything is completely clear. But it can be said with sufficient confidence that for Russia it was a necessary measure. Measure, which somewhat smoothed the possible even more negative consequences for our homeland.

- What is meant?

- The possibility of imposing Russia in the then historical perspective of some other religion. As for Cyril and Methodius, of course, in terms of enlightenment, enlightenment, it is possible to speak about them. But only given the fact that, historically, their enlightenment is a change in handwriting in a letter that was actively used by Russians for several thousand years before the new era.

“But sometimes it is argued that there was no written language before Cyril and Methodius in Russia ...”

- Who is approved? We now know that in the 18-19 centuries in our history there was a purposeful German dominance.

2. Russian history was composed by ... Germanoids

- “Historians” of Russia were “discharged” from their lands by German princesses who became Russian empresses?

- So it was. And these Germanic scholars “built up” the history of the Russian people in full swing in accordance with the autocratic churchly wishes. Here we are again dealing with historical propaganda.

- However, propaganda is propaganda, but truth is truth. Our readers would be interested in your written sources.

- For the most incredulous, I inform you that in the future, as we talk, I will only cite the facts recorded in the Brockhaus and Efron encyclopedia and the Great Soviet Encyclopedia. So, the Germanic tribes, sometimes exhibited as our ancestors, themselves formed only by the 1st century BC. And settled in a fairly small area. Between the Lower Rhine and the Vistula, Danube and the Baltic and North Seas. But on the map of St. Eusenius (about 330 BC) there were already SLAVIC INSCRIPTIONS! On the deployment of a number of Slavic tribes at that time. These territories still bear data in those years of the name. And in 460 BC Researcher Fukind says that Scythian Slavs are the most populous tribe in the world. Saxon Grammar in 500 BC says that during Frothon the 3rd, the Rus and the Huns attacked Denmark, the king of the Rus, Olimer, ruled fleetand the king of the Huns - by the army. And this is only the closest part of Russian history to the Germans. What kind of German ancestry can we talk about?

3. Russia is the birthplace of elephants

- Then, maybe we should call the Greeks into "fathers"?

- Can not"! The Greeks themselves, as a nation, are young compared with the Russians. The ancient Greeks called themselves the Hellenes; the Romans called them the Greeks. In the days of Homer, they did not have a common name. For the first time, the term "Hellenes" to refer to all Greeks is found in the poet Archilochus in the 7 century BC. At the same time, the Greeks themselves called the Pelasgians the most ancient population of Greece. So, from the very time of its formation, that is, for 700 years BC, the Greeks already knew about the trade of Slavic Rus amber. They are from the word "Aost", meaning "amber", called "Aost-Rsi", "Ao-Rsi", "Aorsi"

- What about more ancient civilizations, for example, Sumerian, Iranian? After all, Zoroaster was a native of modern Iran.

- No, and Bactra is not the birthplace of the Slavic Rus. Judging by numerous historical evidence, about two thousand years BC born Slavic sorcerer Zoroaster. According to the study of Rode, he was born in the city of Gdani or Gedani, in Bactria, whose name involuntarily reminds us of the Slavic city of Gdansk. Zoroaster's father was called Staroshast, and his mother, Dogda. In his work, Zoroaster brings sixteen Parsian settlements, in addition to his own suggestion, to the Baltic Sea coast. Having moved there, the Wends, later called Vyatichi, brought their literacy. Of course, it can be argued that the Iranians are not Slavic Rus. But even if we assume that they originated either from the Sumerian-Akkadians from the Two Rivers between Tigris and the Euphrates or from Hindustan, then in either case, the ancestors of the Iranians would still be Slavic Rus. It is known that the Sumerians to the fifth millennium BC. They came to Dvorichie from Transcaucasia, where only Slavic Rus lived. And Hindustan became capable of spreading from its territory civilized peoples only by the second millennium BC. But this is after the population of Hindustan was formed from the wild undeveloped tribes of the southern peninsula, cultivated by the tribes of civilized Aryans who came here from the north, from Russia. This white race was later called the term "Indo-Europeans." More correctly - “Slavic Rus”.

4. Thirty thousandth Rus

- Surprisingly, however, in general, easily and convincingly, we have already reached the turn of Russian history in 5-6 thousands of years BC! Is that the limit?

- No, and this is not the limit. Once again, take the writing. Initially, all writing is a reflection of the needs of a particular religious ritual. In pre-Christian times, the only monotheistic world religion was Slavism. The symbolism of the Slavs is enclosed in the so-called swastik script - a developed system of ideographic and hieroglyphic signs. I am just doing research on these symbols. And my collection has already several hundred swastik elements.

- What is the geography of the spread of swastik characters?

- In the 3-2 millennia BC The swastika braid is on ceramics of the Eneolithic of the Tomsk-Chulym region and on gold and bronze products of Slavs found in the mounds of Stavropol in the Kuban. In the second half of the 4 millennium BC The swastika symbols are common in the North Caucasus (where the Sumerians come from - the Slavs) in the form of huge models of the Sun-mounds. In terms of kurgans, there are already known varieties of swastikas. Only magnified thousands of times. At the same time, the swastika ornament in the form of a braided line is often found on the Neolithic sites of Prikamye and the Northern Volga region. The swastika on a clay vessel found in Samara also dates back to 4000 the year BC. At the same time, the four-pointed zoomorphic swastika is depicted on a vessel from the Prut and Dniester rivers. In the 5-th millennium BC Slavic religious symbols - swastikas - are common everywhere. Anatolian dishes depict a centripetal rectangular swastika enveloped in two circles of fish and long-tailed birds. Spiral swastikas have been found in Northern Moldavia, as well as between the Seret and Stryp rivers and in the Moldavian Carpathian region. In the 6-th millennium BC swastikas are common on spinning points in Mesopotamia, in the Neolithic culture of Tripoli-Kukuteni, on Samara's bowls, etc. In the 7 millennium BC Slavic swastikas inscribed on clay seals of Anatolia and Mesopotamia.

“Seven thousand years are almost stone people in caves!” Is not it?

- And again not so! The ornamental swastika net is found in stamps and on a bracelet made of mammoth bones in the Mezyn, Chernihiv region. And this is a find from the 23 of the millennium BC! And 35-40 thousands of years ago, the Neanderthals inhabiting Siberia, as a result of two to three million years of adaptation, acquired the appearance of Caucasians, as evidenced by the teeth of adolescents found in the Altai caves of Denisov, Okladchikov and in the village of Sibiryachikha. And these anthropological studies were carried out by the American anthropologist C. Turner. Now almost everything!

- Well, well, impressive! Perhaps this is the cradle of the birth of humanity ...

- At least, a person of Caucasoid type, that is, of us - Russians. And our descendants - the Spaniards, the British, the Germans, the French, the Iranians ... All of us, as they say, from one mother. From the mother of the Caucasoid.

- And in what language did the children speak? Was there one language, or were there several languages?

- But in this issue and hidden by "unknown" forces the most important truth for us! Firstly, modern linguistic theory unequivocally establishes that the proto-language was one and only. He began to diverge somewhere 40-30 thousands of years BC. Secondly, as they say weighty sources, for several thousand years the Slavic-Russian language was the same for all Caucasians. And he began to diverge into dialects only at the end of the second millennium BC. Can you guess which language was a pre-language? I think yes. What are the Greeks here? What are the romans? What are the germans? They just had to be born - our enlighteners with you in quotes! In addition, modern Russian is the most complex of all possible language organisms. For comparison, for example, in Chinese most of the roots are monosyllabic, and in the so-called Hebrew language, vowels (not even letters) appeared only recently. A few years ago, the German language acquired the ability to correctly “cut” unimaginably long words into words of normal length. And English is still the language of mixed, multilingual non-words. Their "of Ivan" can not go into a full-fledged Russian "Ivanov".

- Very interesting ... And where is this whole legacy of our many thousands of years now?

“It is precisely in this that the task of not long-sighted and not engaged historians is to establish the true state of things about the Russian people, in the literal sense of the people, the progenitor of the Earth’s civilization. But our story is hidden in a famous place. When in the 10 century our homeland was baptized, somehow our history “disappeared” at once. Just exactly like the biblical Ham Oskopil (castrated) of his father Noah. The strange disappearance of Russian history! Just a few tens of thousands of years. Very strange. Meanwhile, all honest researchers have long understood where and by whom is hidden. As they say, look for who benefits. Today we should be happy that not all archaeologists are “believers.” There are people who serve the scientific Truth.

- Andrei Alexandrovich, who supports you in scientific circles?

- Very many. I wanted to name only one person. This is Valery Alekseevich Chudinov. He is the chairman of the Commission at the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences on the Culture of Ancient Russia. And a full member of our academy. However, do not forget that Recently, Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin visited the ancient Slavic city-observatory Arkaim. From now on, we are supported by almost everyone!
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  1. Download Do Re Mi
    Download Do Re Mi 30 November 2012 07: 47
    -4
    Everything became clear from the first mention of Wang!
    1. Slayer
      Slayer 30 November 2012 07: 54
      +19
      Well, in fact, even the Romans and Greeks wrote about the Scythian tribes who lived in the north of the mainland, and the most obvious example that the Scythians had a strong state was aggressive campaigns. If you look at the conquests of the Macedonian, Roman empire, you can draw a line to the north for which they never went, the Macedonian decided to go to India, and not to the north, i.e. India was considered to be easier for him than the northern peoples)))
      1. Download Do Re Mi
        Download Do Re Mi 30 November 2012 10: 54
        +3
        I do not deny our great past, but Wang is out of place here at all. No need to interfere!
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 3 December 2012 20: 40
          0
          Download Do Re Mi,
          And I did not doubt the antiquity of our ethnic group. The Angles, as always, did everything and perverted it. There was no Tatar-Mongol yoke. There was Great Tartaria. The Angles therefore have been waging a centuries-old struggle against Russia. And not only through perversion of information, but also physically as well.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 30 November 2012 10: 57
        +7
        Quote: Slayer
        Macedonian decided to go to India, and not to the north, i.e. India was considered to be an easier mess for him than the northern peoples)))

        It’s cold to the north, and they walked without pants, they didn’t figure out what kind of conquest there, if excuse me, the eggs freeze.
        1. Slayer
          Slayer 30 November 2012 11: 30
          +5
          Quote: baltika-18
          It’s cold to the north, and they walked without pants, they didn’t figure out what kind of conquest there, if excuse me, the eggs freeze.

          They went to the Galls, to the Germanic tribes, too, but it’s not hot in winter, the Roman legions reached the British Isles)))
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 30 November 2012 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: Slayer
            They went to the Galls, to the Germanic tribes, too, but it’s not hot in winter, the Roman legions reached the British Isles)))

            The whole question is “was there a boy?” This is me to the fact that until the 17th century in history it is as dark as a black man's ass. Europe is becoming like a “patchwork quilt”, in all countries there is a change of ruling dynasties, Russia is no exception, the era of the Reformation, continuous wars, which scientists cannot explain in any way, Gumilev even came up with a certain theory of passionarity for this. And all this, notice the second half of the 16th and early 17th centuries. And it was at this time that Scaliger wrote his work "On correcting chronology." Coincidences. Winners write history. Who needed it.
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 14: 38
              -1
              But I still want to come up with something about a thirty-thousand-year-old story ...
              1. bask
                bask 30 November 2012 15: 00
                +2
                Sarych, why do you want Nadod under different names. Which later became the Russian people .., inhabited the territory of Russia (((Arkaim 5 years))) not menia. And new archaeological finds are hushed up. And in every expedition, there must be life, a geneticist, for the collection of genichite material ... Then it will be possible to 100% trace the ways of migration of people and genetic identity with modern Russians ...
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 2 December 2012 03: 59
            0
            Quote: Slayer
            They went to the Galls, to the Germanic tribes, too, but it’s not hot in winter, the Roman legions reached the British Isles)))


            And they would have gotten further, but to our happiness, mired in luxury and vices, demanded only bread and circuses, avoided military service. It was with late Roman history that the first cases of self-mutilation were associated, they chopped the thumb of the right hand so that they would not be shaved into the soldiers. The fall of the Roman Empire is a natural result!
            And if military service would continue to be an honorable duty for Roman citizens, it is still unknown how everything would turn out ...
      3. Leisure
        Leisure 30 November 2012 13: 06
        +1
        In the north, all limbs can be frostbitten, with their overalls.
      4. Islam
        Islam 30 November 2012 20: 36
        +3
        Saki - this is modern Russia Ukraine Kazakhstan Tajikistan - in short it is the USSR BC (the same invincible but ruined itself)
        1. hrych
          hrych 30 November 2012 20: 55
          +4
          So it is, but these collapses, like what we have been observing for the last 20 years, are like a pulsation. The Cimmerians fell, the Scythians, the Khazar Khaganate, the empire of Svyatoslav, then the empire of Genghis, then the Russian empire grew. The Russian Empire collapsed, it seems like a complete collapse, from nowhere the USSR, he collapsed, as we see the beginning of a new pulsation uniting peoples and lands. We are waiting for a new monster to fear East and West.
          1. Islam
            Islam 1 December 2012 12: 10
            +2
            Quote: hrych
            We are waiting for a new monster to fear East and West.

            In my opinion it will be the Eurasian Union that creates Russia Kazakhstan and Belarus
      5. nerd.su
        nerd.su 2 December 2012 03: 52
        +1
        Quote: Slayer
        , Macedonian decided to go to India, and not to the north, i.e. India was considered to be an easier mess for him than the northern peoples


        So why did he have to go north, there are no cities there, there is not enough gold, wild Scythians evading battles. You don’t run into much of the nomads with infantry, and the Macedonian did not have aviation to end the fugitives with the help of carpet bombing. And in India, all kinds of wealth are not measured, and most importantly, the civilization is agricultural, the city, in the deserts, no one will be extinguished. History has shown that he was right.
    2. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 30 November 2012 09: 58
      +3
      we are much older than Europeans, that Voronezh, according to some scholars, has several millennia, it’s worth considering, and we have been trading with the Romans for a long time ... according to some sources, the Huns are the branches of the Slavs
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 November 2012 10: 47
        -14
        Aha, and the Huns, finally brothers forever laughing
        1. bask
          bask 30 November 2012 11: 03
          +11
          There is such a thing as ARCHIOLOGICAL GENETICS .. And when Altai Princess mummy was discovered in Altai in the 90s. In 2010, her DNA was examined. And it almost 100% coincided with the DNA of Russian residents of the Arkhangelsk region .. And it dates , this is a burial place 2,5 years BC and the question is why the Chinese so stubbornly do not want to excavate in their pyramids ,,, because these pyramids have nothing to do with the Chinese ,,,
          1. Rockets
            Rockets 30 November 2012 13: 02
            -4
            Quote: bask
            In 2010, her DNA was examined, and it almost 100% coincided with the DNA of Russian residents of the Arkhangelsk region.


            Not in 2010 but in 2011 and to the Russians, Selkups and Kets have no relation whatsoever


            Quote: bask
            And dates back, this burial is 2,5 thousand years BC.

            I understand the lie, WELL NOT SO SO !!!!
            V -III century BC

            And a wang to help you ^^

            And the author of the noob! These are the sorrows of historians, we really do not need to! Everything will be perverted and reduced to absurdity, but the guys don’t know ...
            1. Fox 070
              30 November 2012 14: 41
              +3
              Quote: Rockets
              ! These are the sorrows of historians, we really do not need to! Everything will be perverted and reduced to absurdity, but the guys don’t know ...

              Well, then Svanidze will definitely suit you, who, as it turned out, was not only a "specialist" in the Stalin era, but also a compiler of a textbook on the "Russian language" and a "connoisseur" of ancient Russian history.
              You ask him and HE will tell you that the Rus were a complete "double" and lived in holes, feeding on roots dug out of the ground.
              That's for sure the Slavophobe ...
              1. Rockets
                Rockets 30 November 2012 15: 18
                -3
                Quote: Fox 070
                Well then, Svanidze will definitely fit you, to

                Answer your son for yourself and suck at Svanidze himself if it so desperately
                And I’ll sort out the bases like you and find what interests me AND MOST IMPORTANT MUCH more honest than your TRUTH stretched across the globe! Teach the materiel SON!
                1. hrych
                  hrych 30 November 2012 16: 12
                  +7
                  Your word “suck” immediately characterized you that you have problems with sexual health, perhaps if you are not open, but definitely a latent homosexual. The word "son" - speaks of your megalomania. In general, according to Lombroso and Freud, you have big problems.
              2. bask
                bask 30 November 2012 17: 14
                +1
                Greetings to Felix. Not one Svanidze., They are there ...... and all Jews .. After genetic studies of our and Germans in 2010. A genetic map was compiled. Residents of our ancestors in Russia. I wanted to give a link on the internet I can find, removed. Not profitable, for historians, from Svanidze ,,,, Where the hell is the Horde. That ....
                1. Fox 070
                  30 November 2012 17: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: bask
                  .Not one Svanidze., They are there ...... and all Jews ..

                  Hello my friend! And most likely not Jews (!), But Jews! And the fact that their doh ... ra, so this is not even discussed. And where else can they be stacked? Only where Russianism and Slavism can be hit harder. So these possessed Pluduriks run all the kagal in Russia and they mess up where they can.
          2. Ross
            Ross 30 November 2012 20: 23
            +2
            bask,
            Greetings
            why the Chinese so stubbornly do not want to excavate in their own pyramids ,,, because these pyramids have nothing to do with the Chinese ,,,


            Very accurate remark. When American archaeologists dug mummies of Caucasians in Russian swastikas in the Gobi Desert in northern China, and dated 2000-2500 to the year BC - they wrote that this is probably .... visitors from Europe!
            1. bask
              bask 30 November 2012 21: 27
              +1
              Ross and hi to you. And there were also excavations in Manzuria and ,,, the Chinese priests appeared, fair-haired with a Europioid appearance, dating. Also 2-2.5 thousand years BC This is not beneficial not to world Zionism ,,, they are the oldest nation ,,,,,,, I do not China. Territorial priteniya, not supported archiologically. It is a pity that those in power now stand who does not benefit from the great past of our people ....
        2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 November 2012 14: 49
          -3
          minusers, justify at least one minus! or you are stupidly selected for patriotism here, but for a patriot like brain is not important! soldier
          1. Fox 070
            30 November 2012 15: 31
            +2
            Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
            justify at least one minus!

            What exactly do you justify? I do not see any of your posts (except this one).
            Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
            for a patriot like brain is not the main thing!

            Caution dear, you can run into the opposite courtesy. hi
            1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 November 2012 15: 47
              +2
              Look a little higher there, there is a post about the Huns, who, according to the author, are our very close relatives. Regarding the second, I am a patriot myself, but when some "scientists" write that the Chinese wall was built by the Russians, and the people believe ... I'm against such patriotism! request
              1. Fox 070
                30 November 2012 16: 43
                +1
                Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
                Look a little higher there, a post about the Huns,

                Aha, and the Huns, finally brothers forever Do you think this is a comment? In my opinion, this is just a mockery that does not carry any information content. How do you think you can react to this? Only in accordance with the specified standards, i.e. The members of the forum did not consider it worthy to answer you in the same tone and simply expressed their attitude to your pearls as "cons". I hope he explained it clearly ?! hi
                1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                  GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 November 2012 17: 58
                  +1
                  Well I heeded. As for the Huns, it is the people from whom the Huns came, the field of how mixed with the Uralic peoples! hi
              2. TRON
                TRON 30 November 2012 20: 50
                +1
                Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
                some "scientists" write that the Chinese wall was built by the Russians, but the people believe ...

                This is very characteristic of the people.
                1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                  GELEZNII_KAPUT 1 December 2012 03: 51
                  0
                  It becomes scary looking at this, my friend!
                2. Sandov
                  Sandov 6 December 2012 20: 55
                  -2
                  TRON,
                  Read Nosovsky and Fomenko. Mathematicians calculated the history and cleaned it from western sediments.
              3. Sandov
                Sandov 6 December 2012 20: 52
                -2
                GELEZNII_KAPUT,
                Rather, the ancestors of today's Russians will be. In Russians, so many ethnic groups have mixed up. Our ancestors - Great Tartaria from ocean to ocean.
        3. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 30 November 2012 17: 43
          +2
          Speaking of the Huns ........... their famous leader bore the name .... correctly Attila .... a little changed Itil ......... Volga - mother i.e. ......................... I live here in the Samara province just from these places they came to conquer Rome .....
    3. ughhh
      ughhh 30 November 2012 11: 45
      +2

      Well, everyone would be so lucid ...
    4. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 30 November 2012 17: 01
      -5
      All this bullshit, ancient Slavonic, to the Christian state, and if it was really so good and great, then where are the artifacts? Here I know ancient Egypt, I know the Roman Empire of those times, China, Babylon, etc. It’s like Prince Vladimir had to abuse such a great civilization so that there wouldn’t be any stone left from it, even memories, although sorry, the Greeks mentioned some Scythians on the outskirts of Pont Aksinsky. Truly great were the Slavs. No offense, men, but all this blah blah to the account of the great pagan Slavic state of nonsense. The modern Slavs began to develop after the baptism of Russia, only after that Moscow became the third Rome, only after that sweden was swept into the background of geopolitics the Commonwealth and many, many other mourners who decided to wander into our wild lands, in which, to the astonishment of the whole world, people were launched into space from the forest, and these incomprehensible cave paintings called by scientists the periodic table, etc. inherent only to wild people. Yes, the Slavs lived in the pre-Christian era, perhaps not even badly, but the whole world began to speak about them and fear only after they became Christians and united Russia. And there’s a different wang, etc. Ayurveda in the furnace! all this nonsense
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 17: 12
        0
        Well, actually, there’s not much about the other facts, if you look like that!
        It is possible that there was a great Slavic state, but it is equally possible that nothing of the kind existed and could not be ...
        For generations, history has been tailored to the desired result, which is why in history there is no end to the other, and you can only come to terms with it ...
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 1 December 2012 21: 11
        +1
        So so! in all those who gave me a minus comment, I will not sell a T-shirt with the inscription "I was promoted as the last sucker at the end of the world in 2012" with a fifty percent discount, but on the contrary, I will give it to the tridorogo, with an additional inscription on the back "I was also robbed on the T-shirt" )))

        But just honestly, some here amaze me, oh-ah hide the truth, you really turn it on, it’s impossible to hide the traces of a great civilization, and if there are no traces, then the Slavs were not so great, yes, they lived quietly, maybe even well, but not in imperial format. GENTLE GENTLE Gentiles)))
        God is not in power, but in truth! ” Holy Russia, the chosen one of the Lord, keep the Orthodox faith in her statement to you. Amen.
        1. Slayer
          Slayer 2 December 2012 00: 09
          0
          Bashkaus, Just type in Wikipedia "Scythians" there you will find a lot and archeology and facts, well, a lot has been written about them in general, for example, that their settlements reached the flesh of central Siberia))) Let's say there is the city of Achinsk near Krasnoyarsk, 5 km from it is the Aydashinskaya cave, people lived in this cave 20 thousand years ago, they got a lot of artifacts out of it, as you say, I myself went down into it more than once, unfortunately, many entrances to it are piled up and it is no longer possible to study it completely, but the drawings there are beautiful ))))) So, if people lived there 20 thousand years ago, then I don't think they left these lands
        2. Sandov
          Sandov 6 December 2012 21: 02
          0
          Bashkaus,
          Not holy Russia but Great Tartaria. All ethnic groups lived without separation between their own and those of others .. On the old churches - a cross with a crescent is placed.
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 6 December 2012 20: 59
        0
        Bashkaus,
        After the baptism of Rus, the population of Kievan Rus decreased from 80 million people. up to 8 million people Figures from memory - you need to climb into the sources. Statistics are great. Artefacts are still found in great numbers from the Urals to the Far East. Look at forbidden archeology in nete.
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 6 December 2012 21: 09
          0
          Sandov. Well, actually the population of Russia at the time of the Batu invasion totaled 3 million. And at the beginning of the reign of Catherine the Great 17. Where in the X century 80 ???
  2. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 07: 55
    -18
    Well, why all this? What for? Why is this activity for acne youths?
    Maybe they should do some more useful business?
    1. mar.tira
      mar.tira 30 November 2012 08: 17
      +30
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Why is this activity for acne youths?

      And then, so that they would remember who they are, where they came from, and why they were created. And not to be Vanka who do not remember kinship, and not look at the sweetie behind the tuberous one. Like an idol!
      1. Ross
        Ross 30 November 2012 08: 41
        +14
        mar.tira,
        I join, plus you. I will add: since "someone" so carefully hid the ends from the descendants, it means that he had and is now a good reason.
        Just think, could these of our today's civilizers teach the descendants of their ancestors their homosyaty? To impose your frankly stupid rules on us in everything? Only by convincing us of our underdevelopment and youth as a nation. For them, "civilization" always comes from the West.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 08: 51
          +2
          Quote: Ross
          ? Only by convincing us of our underdevelopment and youth as a nation. For them, "civilization" always comes from the West.

          And who can do this? Russia is older, if not the oldest country. The existence of today's Russia has evolved over millennia and today we have what we have.
          Quote: Ross
          I will add: since "someone" so carefully hid the ends from the descendants,

          This is a version and no more than a thousand years ago, what decisions were made, no one will say today. You can argue and come up with different versions endlessly, but we will not establish the truth.
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 30 November 2012 11: 18
          +9
          Quote: Ross
          Only by convincing us of our underdevelopment and youth as a nation.

          For some reason, the "father of history" Herodotus was sure that our habitats were long and densely populated and developed ... he even drew a map ... the decline of education in the West, and after all, once the study of the works of ancient Greek authors was an obligatory element of European schools ...
          1. saruman
            saruman 30 November 2012 12: 17
            -2
            Your "map of Herodotus" is a fake.
          2. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 33
            -5
            Pure falshak, not a card ...
        3. vadimN
          vadimN 30 November 2012 12: 35
          +8
          Quote: Ross
          since "someone" so carefully hid the ends from the descendants, it means that he had and is now a good reason.


          An old saying: "Who controls the present controls history, and who controls history controls the future."
          That is why modern rulers of the World need to support the version of the inferiority, incompleteness of the Russian people, their slavish essence and psychology ... Having told history, we are deprived of roots, deprived of ideals, deprived of memory ..., an inferiority complex is inculcated. And since we are like that, we need to manage, help, democratize, etc.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 30 November 2012 14: 49
            +5
            Quote: vadimN
            An old saying: "Who controls the present controls history, and who controls history controls the future."
            That is why modern rulers of the World need to support the version of the inferiority, incompleteness of the Russian people, their slavish essence and psychology ... Having told history, we are deprived of roots, deprived of ideals, deprived of memory ..., an inferiority complex is inculcated. And since we are like that, we need to manage, help, democratize, etc.

            You said everything correctly to Vadim. We are deprived of history, and those in power have not bothered with this issue, they don’t need it, they are temporary workers, they need to fill their pocket and screw up if something happens, it’s too painful. Mother Russia is unpredictable, you don’t know how it will turn tomorrow. Children are taught from school that our ancestors in the forests and swamps were scrubbed until they were introduced to civilization. Although I’m sure that we were the first, we will return to the roots, we will be the first again. The trash will leave, the truth will remain. And the truth is ours it’s preserved in our language, you won’t change it, you won’t change it. We will change the orientation of upbringing and education, we will change the world, we will change ourselves and we will build a society of the 21st century and future centuries, taking the experience of the 20th century as a prototype. I’m not an idealist, you just can’t swim against the tide, and we were forced into deceit and betrayal in the 90s.
            1. Pinochet000
              Pinochet000 30 November 2012 18: 58
              +2
              Quote: baltika-18
              You said everything correctly to Vadim. We are deprived of history, and those in power have not bothered with this issue, they don’t need it, they are temporary workers, they need to fill their pocket and screw up if something happens, it’s too painful. Mother Russia is unpredictable, you don’t know how it will turn tomorrow. Children are taught from school that our ancestors in the forests and swamps were scrubbed until they were introduced to civilization. Although I’m sure that we were the first, we will return to the roots, we will be the first again. The trash will leave, the truth will remain. And the truth is ours it’s preserved in our language, you won’t change it, you won’t change it. We will change the orientation of upbringing and education, we will change the world, we will change ourselves and we will build a society of the 21st century and future centuries, taking the experience of the 20th century as a prototype. I’m not an idealist, you just can’t swim against the tide, and we were forced into deceit and betrayal in the 90s.

              +100
      2. Rockets
        Rockets 30 November 2012 13: 53
        -2
        Quote: mar.tira
        And then, so that they would remember who they are, where they came from, and why they were created.

        That's when you find out the TRUTH! Talk about it. In the meantime, learn the materiel, but find it!
        And the slogans in our honor! The main thing to throw in time to the masses. And the people are being ...
    2. alexng
      alexng 30 November 2012 08: 40
      +13
      In the sense, continue to blacken history or restore the truth? What do you like more? It may be enough to grovel in front of Western false historians. How many dirty tricks they wrote about the Great Alexander Nevsky, who did not even closely correspond to the reality of that time. Everything is turned upside down. Well, it's enough! We ourselves, Slavs, will restore bit by bit our centuries-old pedigree. And to entrust this to Western fanatics is the same as deceiving yourself. It all ended the era of imposition of Western nonsense. Flogging the World to clean from snotty spray distortion. The lies of the West killed itself with its shamelessness and obsession.
    3. Joker
      Joker 30 November 2012 12: 57
      +6
      Brother, I treat you very well, but then I wanted to swindle you, please excuse me. History is a very important science, if you know the past of your ancestors, then you will make the right decisions based on their experience. They are trying to crush us from all sides, distorting our history, but the 2 World War has been distorted so that it’s time to take it and hang itself, because they are trying to expose our liberators. The pro-Westerners and liberals will resist the fact that our whole true story comes to light, but this must be achieved by all means, this is our history, and history is sacred.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 39
        -3
        Well, suppose you know the story of your ancestors - and so what? What does this give at the moment? Yes, it doesn’t give anything, if anything goes wrong ...
        Will your ancestors make you better? Or will they make it worse? You even do not answer for the affairs of your parents under any laws! Even though they are rooted criminals, you don’t answer! And their glory falls upon you only with a faint reflection, and the farther, the weaker this reflection ...
        1. Joker
          Joker 30 November 2012 13: 46
          +4
          Judging by your logic, you don't even need to know anything about your relatives, but why? Americans and Europeans don’t teach geography, but why, they live in the best country and are not going to go anywhere, why should they know where some kind of Australia or China is. Then we will come to the question, why know Russian? Why do we need mathematics at all if I work as a milkmaid, all this is for self-development, a person is a vessel that needs to be filled with knowledge, why the hell do we need such a brain? Or will we again degrade to monkeys? This is what we have always differed from geyropa and others, thirst for knowledge and science, for how many wonderful scientists is our Motherland home? You need to study, study and study again. At least for a bubble with friends, something new can be said, and not just like an animal to hum. Are many scientific discoveries made now? Nations are degrading everywhere, education needs to be financed by the state, a return to the USSR education system, the creation of scientific centers and children's circles. And history is a stimulus, when you know that in essence your country is the cradle of civilizations, then you try to correspond to this "image". If we have something to be proud of, why should we be silent? Because that's what the liberals said?
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 59
            -6
            Well - liberalists again ...
            What does this have to do with it? And who said you don't need to learn anything?
            It’s just that you just need to understand that it’s you who do not differ much from others, you are basically the same as everyone else, but if you know more, you know how to do something better than others. then it is your merit that you managed to use the chances that were provided to you! And if someone knows something better than you, then it means that he better used the chance ...
            Another thing is that, for a number of reasons, you do not seem to have any chance, and even worse if it happens under some far-fetched pretext such as nationality or hair color ...
        2. Nose
          Nose 30 November 2012 14: 16
          +6
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          Well, suppose you know the story of your ancestors - and so what? What does this give at the moment? Yes, it doesn’t give anything, if anything

          Apparently Americans from pure altruism spend a lot of bucks to take control of our education system. Well, they love us miserable. They can’t just look at the devastation in our schools ...
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 30 November 2012 14: 55
          +5
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          And their glory falls upon you only with a faint reflection, and the farther, the weaker this reflection ...

          Here you are not right. Whatever a glimpse, but the light shines in everyone, "education and upbringing in truth, in truth should be created, and not by villainous intent."
        4. hrych
          hrych 30 November 2012 16: 32
          +8
          Here are the Germans, Greek-poders and Judeo-Christians who are very, very interested in our history, or rather, so that it does not reach the descendants. When Arkaim, the same age as the pyramids, was discovered, not only was it not reported to the general public (it does not fit into the history of the illiterate Rus before Mythodius), they also tried to flood it. And what could flood? Our civilization is along the Great Rivers, on which unprofitable blood clots have been set up. And our story in our blood and in the Second World War we tore the German war machine, if we had the blood of oriental merchants, you would write Sarych Latin in German.
          1. tambourine 2012
            tambourine 2012 30 November 2012 16: 55
            0
            Quote: hrych
            Here are the Germans, Greco-poders and Judeo-Christians
            I think these words do not color you
            1. hrych
              hrych 30 November 2012 17: 35
              +6
              Philip of Macedonia, Sasha’s pope is described by a contemporary Theopompus who personally observed the life of the Macedonian court and left such a murderous review:

              “If there was anyone in all Greece or among the barbarians whose character was notable for shamelessness, he was inevitably drawn to the court of King Philip in Macedonia and received the title of 'comrade of the king'. For it was the custom of Philip to praise and promote those who spent their lives drinking and gambling ... Some of them, being men, even shaved their bodies clean; and even bearded men did not shy away from mutual filth. They took with them two or three slaves for lust, while at the same time betraying themselves for the same shameful service, so it would be fair to call them not soldiers, but prostitutes. "
            2. hrych
              hrych 30 November 2012 18: 11
              +5
              Oh, you lady! Excuse me, I won’t!
          2. Ross
            Ross 30 November 2012 20: 34
            +6
            hrych,

            Greetings to a wise friend. I read the comments - I really want to put a hundred pluses. hi
            1. hrych
              hrych 30 November 2012 20: 37
              +2
              Thanks, friend Ross. And why do you have a Hasidic hat, but the pace of the bun does not?
              1. Ross
                Ross 30 November 2012 20: 40
                +3
                hrych,

                I will be corrected! He took off the fallen enemy. soldier
                1. hrych
                  hrych 30 November 2012 20: 47
                  +4
                  This shell (but not Aleichem) is much better!
        5. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 1 December 2012 21: 16
          +1
          Brother Sarych, the trouble is that they all "know" their ancestors, but no one can really say what they did and how they lived. The pagans are especially skillful, no one really knows who and how to lash, but they do it diligently))) Here in Christianity everything is clear, Jesus is the son of God, for Muslims everything is clear: there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his witness. Buddhists adequately reduce everything to a Buddha, etc. and here one epti ... was just for the sake of interest at an ancient Slavic meeting, some kind of pardon nerds gathered, lit a fire, shouted throwing out his right hand, either Heil "Hitler", or "Glory to our gods and ancestors" and dispersed ...
    4. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 30
      -4
      These minuses do not surprise me ...
      I’m used to working with facts, with things that can be verified - but here with what to work? With fiction?
      Do you want beautiful fairy tales? Yes, for God's sake, just what will it give you?
      Was Russia always? Well, there was something, only Russia?
    5. Rockets
      Rockets 30 November 2012 15: 05
      -2
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Well, why all this?


      And then, so that a stupid pimple young man who grew up in pequimons and does not know his history, even approximately, could be proud of the nonsense that is being carried here. They do not need the science of history, they need a super nation, SUPER MAN!
      Have you heard about fascism and great Germany? Naked ideology and no history! Substitution of Science for ideology, under good intentions.
      The site has not been taken seriously for a long time, HAZARD! And links to the same garbage cans
      1. Fox 070
        30 November 2012 15: 28
        +4
        Quote: Rockets
        The site has not been taken seriously for a long time, HAZARD! And links to the same garbage cans

        Yes you, my friend, Resent and a provocateur! I don’t like the site - a suitcase, a train station, liberalism ... Nobody keeps you here, bring me to Alekseeva in the rub. Oh, there is definitely the cream of society - they are drained from everywhere, and to you there too.
      2. hrych
        hrych 30 November 2012 16: 34
        +6
        Vali from this garbage can be cleaner.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 08: 08
    +11
    The author is going to establish the truth, which was 10,20,30 thousand years ago belay I can only wish you good luck in this dead end, any attempt to restore the events of such a long time will lead to wilds and endless debate. Russia has been, is and will always be! The story should be real according to the facts of events, and not set out in versions of all kinds. So that Russia is indisputable for more than many years, but we won’t find out how it was there before, another era with its own culture, but the essence is the same: Russia in which we live.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 30 November 2012 11: 07
      -1
      Here. Right.
      I hear a speech not of a boy, but of a husband. Whose name is Alexander.
      ...
      I read the article. That’s what I’ve been talking about - there isn’t yet .. a real story.
      ...
      So, still ... Russia is the birthplace of elephants? OK. We will be proud.
      ..
      But I didn't like it at all - "..However, do not forget that recently Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin visited the ancient Slavic observatory city of Arkaim. From now on, almost everyone supports us! "
      right there, on the forum there were pictures - Vladimir Vladimirovich with the Jews.
      Vladimir Vladimirovich with Siberian Cranes (storks).
      So what to support?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 30 November 2012 11: 33
        +3
        Quote: Igarr
        Vladimir Vladimirovich with the Jews.
        Vladimir Vladimirovich with Siberian Cranes (storks).

        Good afternoon, Igarr! But do we not delve into the depths of the subconscious of GDP, according to Freud, you know?
        For example, he arrives in a fighter plane (and not like a "magician in a blue helicopter") - and gives the go-ahead for a full-scale military operation, pulls out some kind of antiquity from under the water - and the go-ahead to search for valuables hidden by some civilians ..., visit Arkaim - reminder of that. what can be done with an ancient city, with Paris there, London ... there will be no trace; flying with Siberian Cranes is a subtle hint that Greenpeace and other NGOs ... it's time to migrate from the country ... about the Jews ... I'm afraid to think ... belay
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 30 November 2012 11: 53
          +1
          I like this interpretation very much.
          Somehow I did not take this aspect into account.
          ..
          Then why is he sitting in Russia ... abroad, abroad - GO!
          In the States, in my opinion, has never been?
          There, there .... and we won’t take it without result ... back.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 30 November 2012 12: 09
            +1
            Quote: Igarr
            In the States, in my opinion, has never been?

            And he invited Obama to Russia:
            "Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated the re-elected US President Barack Obama and invited him to Russia next year." I look forward to the opportunity to continue our meaningful and frank dialogue. I hope that you will take advantage of the invitation to visit Russia next year, "Interfax quotes a telegram that Putin sent to his American counterpart."
            Probably. and Arkaim will include in the program of the visit ... and offer to fly with storks ...
            1. Nose
              Nose 30 November 2012 14: 11
              +7
              Kaa,
              You’re laughing in vain, you know very well that if Putin doesn’t come, they will dig up Arkaim with bulldozers, shoot the Siberian Cranes and eat them, tigers, leopards too, and the letter бук will simply quietly delete their alphabet. Neither the Germans, nor Udaltsov, nor Cucumbers have any interest they never showed, they don’t get paid for this. And with Vova at least something will work out. The main thing is that they should not be brought to absurdity, like corn under Nikita.
              1. Rockets
                Rockets 30 November 2012 14: 50
                +1
                Quote: Nose
                In vain you laugh, you know very well that if Putin does not come, Arkaim will be dug up with bulldozers,


                Previously, they didn’t dig it up, but now it’s necessary!
                Arkaim was marked on the maps of 1957. And if even deeper then 1920, the Ilmen State Nature Reserve was founded. Decree Lenin! This reserve includes Arkaim
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 30 November 2012 15: 59
                +4
                Quote: Nose
                You are laughing in vain, you know very well that if Putin does not come

                Yes, there is laughter ... through tears ... You yourself write, IF PUTIN DOES NOT COME! Is he one for all? And where is all for one? Even here on the site ... and then ... reasonable people, but it also happens, why VVP did not do it, why did it, and what is going on on the "swamp sites"!
                Quote: Nose
                The main thing is that they are not brought to the point of absurdity,

                hi
  4. avdkrd
    avdkrd 30 November 2012 08: 09
    +9
    knowing the history of your people is a very useful thing.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 09: 29
      +2
      Quote: avdkrd
      knowing the history of your people is a very useful thing.

      To know the story yes. It is very necessary and useful, but not an alternative story in versions, we can far come.
      1. alexng
        alexng 30 November 2012 12: 17
        +4
        Excuse me, what's the right story? And what kind of history should we know? In the archives there are descriptions described by chroniclers for almost every period and for some reason, well, they are very at odds with modern history. So many non-docking. So what story should we study? Or put your head in the sand, like an ostrich, and accept what others will present to us?
        1. Nose
          Nose 30 November 2012 14: 13
          +4
          Quote: alexneg
          and accept what others will present to us?

          And we, with the stubbornness of idiots, cram what our "partners" present to us.
          1. alexng
            alexng 30 November 2012 14: 17
            +3
            Especially when they do not understand our certain verbal turns and something like this turns out to describe their events:
            - And the prince, daughter, when he saw Cinderella, could not take his eyes off her all evening ...
            “Dad, why did the prince need Cinderella's eye? ..”
            1. Harlin
              Harlin 30 November 2012 17: 48
              +4
              Quote: alexneg
              - And the prince, daughter, when he saw Cinderella, could not take his eyes off her all evening ...
              “Dad, why did the prince need Cinderella's eye?”

              And it would have sounded even cooler - at first he laid his eyes, and then he couldn’t take his eyes, he couldn’t take his eyes off her! ..
              The horror film in the performance of the western baby! wassat
            2. Fox 070
              30 November 2012 18: 02
              +8
              Quote: alexneg
              Especially when they don’t understand our certain verbal turns

              It’s hard for them.
  5. predator.3
    predator.3 30 November 2012 08: 11
    -7
    Such "historians" just kill me, cut in imagination and off we go, just have time to fluff up your ears!
    1. dimitriy
      dimitriy 30 November 2012 08: 32
      +5
      Why are you still alive? There will be more and more such historians. Only I would be very pleased to read the work of archaeologists on this topic.
      1. TRON
        TRON 30 November 2012 20: 57
        0
        Quote: dimitriy
        There will be more and more such historians.

        In Ukraine, too, there are such historians only for some reason you laugh at them
    2. mar.tira
      mar.tira 30 November 2012 08: 56
      +8
      Quote: predator.3
      hack fantasy

      I saw one cult burial of the Scythian princess of the Siberian peoples (as archaeologists said, and the structure of the skull is European, not Asian peoples), three hundred kilometers from the nearest settlement, in the remote Siberian taiga, which can be reached in winter by helicopter, and in summer by a river. It is called "Bedrovsky Bor", along the Tym River. From the found Chinese !!!!!!!! porcelain, gold and silver jewelry, weapons, and incomprehensible signs, and amulets with inscriptions. How did people live there, who are they, where did they come from, and where did they go? Can you tell? And then I blame you know everything in advance! And do not accept any arguments!
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 42
        -5
        Well, you don’t know - and nothing terrible will happen!
    3. Boos24
      Boos24 30 November 2012 12: 20
      -5
      Historians can argue and argue for a long time, but you can’t argue with one, the first word of a child who is not clogged with all dishonesty from this world is RUSSIAN MOTHER or DAD. One cannot argue with this. And then argue as many years as you like to the Russian people.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 42
        -6
        In fact, no one has proved that these are Russian words ...
  6. volcano
    volcano 30 November 2012 08: 21
    +2
    Class article
    From the category "we know for sure" .....
    One question .... Who is SURE?
    As soon as I read about 30-40 thousand years ago and WE are the founders of everyone in the world, my eyesight, hearing and sense of smell immediately refuse ... This is a complete kapets.
    Article for the yellow press or Ren-tv
    1. Slayer
      Slayer 30 November 2012 08: 24
      +6
      Quote: volkan
      One question .... Who is SURE?
      As soon as I read about 30-40 thousand years ago and WE are the founders of everyone in the world, my vision, hearing and sense of smell immediately refuse ...

      This is called, I want to become a serious scientist and become famous, but I’m too lazy to go to the excavations, but I’m not allowed into scientific circles, I’ll try to raise hypotheses and it’s possible)))
  7. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 30 November 2012 08: 31
    +5
    Well ... and the first man Adam was also Russian

    I study history based on archeology and linguistics, so you know our swami ancestors Kipchaki and we had a Tengri religion and there were no ethnic divisions among our ancestors ... imagine what a tremendous job Westerners did that we forgot ancestors, religion !!
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 30 November 2012 09: 19
      +3
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      so know our swami ancestors Kipchaks


      Now I understand why the eastern people have narrow eyes, and the Europeans have wide eyes. As they learned that they are from the Kipchaks, they can’t close them from surprise. what laughing
      I also liked about the couple Attila
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 30 November 2012 21: 35
        +2
        about the narrow eye, I can add that before the invasion of the Mongols, there were no narrow-eyed nomadic steppes, all: Scythians, Sarmatians, Turks, Khazars, Pechenegs, Kipchaks-Polovtsy were Caucasian, and narrow eyes came with the Mongols and their kindred tribes (Merkits , Naiman, Tanguts, etc.)
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 6 December 2012 21: 21
          0
          predator.3,
          There was no Mongol invasion. Great Tartaria is inhabited by various ethnic groups from which nations later descended.
    2. volcano
      volcano 30 November 2012 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: KAZAKHSTAN
      our swami ancestors Kipchak and religion we had Tengri

       And you brother, for an hour, not because you speak Kazakh like that ...
      Because the Ukrainian "researchers" say that everything from the ancient ukrov originated
      You that from the kipchaks
      So we apparently, in order to keep up with the "world studies", also decided to prove to everyone that EVERYTHING descended from RUSS.

      I have one question for all sorrow researchers

      GENTLEMEN WHAT DO YOU SMOKE? OR WHICH MUSHROOMS ARE EATING?
      Please share with me .... or sometimes everything is so annoying that I want to see the ancestors who lived a million years ago ..... I promise that I will definitely share all the knowledge I have gained with "progressive and open-minded scientific circles."
      And I’ll tell you all exactly how it was .... wink


      And I personally can tell you that before you write what you study
      Kipchaks is a Turkic people belonging to the Mongoloid race.
      If we Europeans look like Mongols, then I take off my hat to you.


      And if you think that the Mongoloids became narrow-eyed, with yellowish skin only from the fact that they lived in deserts .. (it's like they taught in schools if you remember), then I take off my hat again.

      Dividing a person into RACES, only by some evolutionary criterion is practically impossible ... Therefore, where did the RACES come from is a big question, but I strongly doubt that one Race came from another .... it's all bullshit.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 30 November 2012 10: 47
        -2
        Volkan, from "parsley" SO does not pin. The author seems to be sitting on something "heavy" laughing
    3. Cold
      Cold 30 November 2012 23: 03
      0
      A brief history of Russia is one of the forms of separation written by the European powers to weaken and fuel nationalist sentiments. Caught up and promoted for patriotic moods for the sake of pleasing the state by our historians. On the invasion of the Golden Horde. Do not believe everything they say and write, this is just one example of stupefying people. Not only here and around the world. The video is attached http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69qqyGZuKeY
      1. Cold
        Cold 30 November 2012 23: 19
        +2
        Here is a video of the indigenous people of Russia
  8. VadimSt
    VadimSt 30 November 2012 08: 49
    +6
    I don't know, you need to know your history. It is necessary to look for roots, to study the processes of division and reunification of peoples, but everything should be substantiated not simply by "raising cultural strata" in relation to one, modern nation.
    Recently I watched a conversation with one Kiev historian - do not worry about my mother ........ Indo-Europeans, Aryans, Sumerians and others - all descended from Ukrainians. The Ukrainian couple (boy, in Russian) Attila, walked with a gang of Huns throughout Europe, speaks half-the-world Ukrainian Sanskrit, I don’t comment on the statements about who invented the wheel, tamed horses, etc.
    Woe from wit, or reassessment of the exclusivity of a nation - combined with national-political schizophrenia ?. One thing is known for certain - the Slavs have a common history and roots, through the expanses of Central Asia, Russia and Ukraine, the migration of peoples has been going on for thousands of years - and dig further, gentlemen, historians.
  9. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 30 November 2012 09: 12
    +10
    The head of the executive committee of the All-Russian Muftiate Muhammedgali Khuzin called on cadet cadet cadets to be ready to repel enemy attacks in any territory, including, if necessary, in the United States. “The hour may come when you have to not only defend your country, but also stop the enemy’s machinations on its territory. Maybe you will have to march in the streets of Washington, as our ancestors defeated Napoleon marched along the Champs Elysees, ”said Mufti M. Khuzin, speaking to the cadets of the Perm Cadet Corps on the day the oath was taken. That's the way it should be said in all schools, but what's in the schools, on every corner
    1. virm
      virm 30 November 2012 13: 24
      -3
      So far, they are only clinging to Russian history and Russian victories. But, then, they will claim that it was they - Muhamedgali - and Napoleon, And Hitler, that they failed. They really need this - there’s nothing of their own.
  10. Sanches
    Sanches 30 November 2012 09: 42
    -4
    Building the foundation for Nazism in the former USSR is in full swing. Germany still cannot cleanse itself of this shame, we also lacked such "happiness"
  11. nokki
    nokki 30 November 2012 09: 51
    +5
    Read, Fomka unbelievers, and do not judge, not knowing the subject.

    "The first Europeans lived in Voronezh, and the ancient people went from Russia to the West, and not vice versa, as was previously believed. American scientists from the University of Colorado came to such sensational conclusions. They analyzed the excavations of Russian archaeologists in the town of Kostenki, Voronezh region, and suggested that the first settlements of ancient people were there.


    Kostenki attracted the attention of Voronezh archaeologists six years ago. It was assumed that the sites of ancient people from the Upper Paleolithic, the era in which our forefathers appeared on Earth, were located here. Back in 2000, ornaments made from the tubular bones of birds and pendants from shells were found here. Artifacts were hidden under a layer of volcanic ash, which, as scientists were able to find out, was brought here 33–38 thousand years ago. So, the finds are even more ancient. Since then, excavations in Kostenki have not stopped. In 2001, a whole skeleton of a mammoth was discovered here. Until that moment, they were found only in Siberia. But the last find caused a sensation. Archaeologists have discovered the head of a human figurine from a mammoth tusk, whose age is more than 40 thousand years.

    This ancient sculptural image of a man can turn over all ideas about the migration of ancient people. This was announced at the beginning of the week by American scientists from the University of Colorado, who analyzed the findings of Russian archaeologists.

    It is believed that the first person appeared about 150 – 200 thousand years ago in Africa. After about 100 thousand years, people began to migrate to Eurasia. Moreover, they went from West to East, breaking up the first villages in the region of Bulgaria and Greece. Excavations in these countries made it possible to find artifacts whose age is at least 32 thousand years.

    The finds in Kostenki, which are more than 10 thousand years older than Europeans, have cast doubt on this theory. According to the American scientist John Hoffecker, it is quite possible that our forefathers migrated from East to West, and the first people came to Europe from an area located in Russia. "
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 30 November 2012 10: 23
      +7
      Quote: nokki
      It is believed that the first person appeared about 150 – 200 thousand years ago in Africa. After about 100 thousand years, people began to migrate to Eurasia. Moreover, they went from West to East, breaking up the first villages in the region of Bulgaria and Greece. Excavations in these countries made it possible to find artifacts whose age is at least 32 thousand years.

      and sorry in Georgia we found human bones and they had an age of 1 800 000 years)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 10: 40
        +7
        Quote: GEOKING95
        and sorry in Georgia we found human bones and they had an age of 1 800 000 years)

        So the Russians already lived on the territory of modern Georgia. The glory of Russia wink
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 30 November 2012 11: 15
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          So the Russians already lived on the territory of modern Georgia. The glory of Russia

          http://www.tribuna.ru/news/world/mzia_and_zezva/ ну если не верите

          someone minus for what I do not understand! because I have a Georgian flag?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 11: 37
            0
            Quote: GEOKING95
            then minus for what I won’t understand! because I have a Georgian flag?

            Probably so, do not worry Dahlia, now I will put you a couple of pluses wink
            Quote: GEOKING95
            Well, if you do not believe

            And we believe and are sure that the Russians lived there and 2 a million years ago. This is obvious hi
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 30 November 2012 11: 45
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And we believe and are sure that the Russians lived there and 2 a million years ago. This is obvious

              laughing and American (True) Europeans too
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 17: 14
                0
                Quote: GEOKING95
                Yes, and Americans (

                Fortunately, then there was no such country, and fortunately soon will not be again.
                Quote: GEOKING95
                europeans too

                No, then the geyropa was empty, it died out as a result of the cult of homosexuality. So the Russians lived there, there is no one else wink
                1. Fox 070
                  30 November 2012 17: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Fortunately, then there was no such country, and fortunately soon will not be again.

                  "+" and there is simply nothing to add to this! drinks
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 30 November 2012 14: 43
            0
            On the contrary, I put a plus wink
          3. tambourine 2012
            tambourine 2012 30 November 2012 17: 05
            +1
            quote = GEOKING95]
            someone minus for what I do not understand! for the fact that I have a Georgian flag? [/ quote] Your avatar looks like Beria :-))) I put you a plus
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 November 2012 17: 15
              0
              Well, the only Georgian on the site, do not minus the people.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 30 November 2012 14: 42
        +1
        Quote: GEOKING95
        in Georgia, we found human bones and they were 1 years old)

        Well, besides the ancient UKRA, now the ancient GOODS have appeared laughing
    2. saruman
      saruman 30 November 2012 11: 14
      +6
      Findings in Kostenki do not mean that Rus lived there. In Kostenki, the sites of ancient people were in two intervals and they occurred during the interglacial periods. I have been to Kostenki several times (my relatives live there), was in a museum built over an ancient parking lot. About volcanic ash Your invention, there is no ash there. And what kind of scientists are they from Voronezh, that they paid attention to the archaeological monument known from the Soviet times, which is next to them, only 6 years ago? Did Zadornov tell them?

      Here is a photo of an ancient dwelling made of mammoth bones in Kostenki. My photo.
    3. Igarr
      Igarr 30 November 2012 11: 16
      +2
      Gennady, hello.
      I know about Kostenki not only from John Hoffeker.
      Actually, what I want to say ... with these amers, and indeed with anyone - there will be arguments for and against.
      The conjuncture is called.
      Tomorrow, some thread Hof Johnnecker will say, no, guys ... civilization in the Far East came from Tahiti. On the way, the princess died, she was buried in the steppes of Transbaikalia. And they themselves went to the wake of the Mediterranean Sea.
      We will ... believe ... carefully.
      1. Harlin
        Harlin 30 November 2012 17: 57
        +4
        If amers had such a story, they would have taken out the brain of the whole enlightened world, but would have hammered something we are even shy of thinking about.
    4. skullcap
      skullcap 30 November 2012 12: 08
      +1
      nokki (1) Today, 09: 51 ↓
      The first Europeans lived in Voronezh, and the ancient people went from Russia to the West, and not vice versa, as previously thought. These sensational conclusions came American scientists from the University of Colorado
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------
      They are saved by the fact that they are from Colorado and American.
      If Russian scientists had written this, they would have been instantly exposed by the world community as Nazis.
      But a significant part of the Russians themselves would be ashamed of seeking to distort the generally accepted history in their own interests.
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 30 November 2012 17: 50
        +4
        From them came only Colorado beetles:) .............
        About Russians (Proto-Slavs), only Russians can and want to know the truth to mother, not Svanidze of any kind ............... Read the works of the Greatest Russian thinker Mikhailo Lomonosova! That is who was the first fighter with a Western point of view regarding the origin of the Slavs, the settlement of Europe, etc.
    5. not good
      not good 30 November 2012 13: 52
      -4
      Yeah, exactly in Voronezh, laughing on Lizyukova street lol
  12. VadimSt
    VadimSt 30 November 2012 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: nokki
    Read, Fomka unbelievers, and do not judge, not knowing the subject.

    Is this sarcasm or preaching? Recently they showed Mexico, where from the "millionth layer" they got figures of people on dinosaurs ...................
    Many modern historians are more like alchemists and fortune-tellers. An inexplicable artifact is missing all over the world, but it gives the right, only to put forward hypotheses, and not to admit a fact.
    And as for the resettlement of peoples, you probably studied at a different school - we were still in the 60, from school textbooks that migration to Europe came from Central Asia, through the south of Russia and Ukraine. And from Africa, not through Bulgaria and Greece, but through the south of the Mediterranean to Asia, and only then, to the west.
  13. Centaurus
    Centaurus 30 November 2012 10: 52
    0
    ... the United States of America in the form in which they are still trying to inertia today to rule the planet. Unfortunately, it will flood Western Europe. When Vanga was asked about Russia, at that time, brought to her knees by B. Yeltsin, a clairvoyant suddenly flashed light in the blind eyes of a clairvoyant, and pride rang in her voice: “Russia will sweep away everyone! ...

    And are they there about this in general? laughing

    Here it is. But some, God forgive me, shitty Iya is trying to the whole world, and especially the Slavs to show that they have a story. They and England.
    And the rest are so-so ... cling to here and live. And not even obey, villains.
  14. Magadan
    Magadan 30 November 2012 11: 25
    +3
    "Today we should be glad that not all archaeologists are “believers”. There are people who serve scientific Truth. "
    And during the Soviet era, archaeologists were generally unbelievers, but for some reason then no one put forward such theories
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This is a version and no more than a thousand years ago, what decisions were made, no one will say today. You can argue and come up with different versions endlessly, but we will not establish the truth

    I agree completely and are very alarmed by such research.
    And everywhere in this research is an attack on Orthodoxy.

    And again I quote the author:
    "Today we should be glad that not all archaeologists are “believers”. There are people who serve scientific Truth. "
    Well, well, what is the truth? Have you found the Neanderthals? Let it be known to this "scientist" that at one time the "Pithecanthropus" was also found and even installed in a museum in London. From where they then secretly expelled. It turned out that his teeth were from a pig, and the skull was glued together from fragments of everything that was found on an area of ​​more than 1 square meter. km. Neanderthals along the way from the same play?

    Atheist guys. Stop sticking yourself to scientists! Newton, Pascal, Lomonosov, Ampere, Euler, Bohr, Keppler and dozens of other Great Scientists reckoned themselves openly to believers... All sorts of philosophers, encylopedists, and a number of such "historians" are on the side of atheists exclusively. Not a single great name atheists cannot lead from the scientific world! I mean the level of mathematics-physicist Newton, i.e. person from real science with real inventions. And not the Goldbach philosopher and other virtual crap.
    Now about Russia.
    1. Vladimir by force could not baptize. The prince had never possessed such power. How is this - Novgorod is at war with Kiev over a run-down village, but does not rise up for the "faith of the fathers" or what? 80 years after Epiphany, Prince Izyaslav was kicked out of Kiev for not letting the Polovtsians fight, and for the "faith of the fathers" no one even raised a voice? Now compare - as soon as Patriarch Hermogenes issued a Manifesto against the Poles and the Seven Boyars, the militia of Minin and Pozharsky immediately gathered! So, who is the true patriot, where is the true spiritual power - among the pagans or the Orthodox ?!
    2. Say what you like, with the adoption of Orthodoxy, Russia is beginning to develop sharply. and comes to the Pacific Ocean. Our greatest compatriots (Suvorov, Ushakov, Lomonosov, Dostoevsky, Pushkin, etc.) were believers. Which of the greats was given to us by atheists?
    3. You can dislike Christianity as much as you like, but it is in the Christian (or Arab) countries that the greatest scientists, composers, artists, generals, architects, etc. were born All inventions (except gunpowder with porcelain) are made in countries with Christian culture. The pagans all died out or remained at the level of the cave age. Asia, with all the industriousness of the population, froze in development until its colonization by the British.
    All these articles are regular theories and reflections, a la Vasissualiy Lokhankin. The obvious positive result is exclusively for the countries whose culture and traditions were based on the Bible.
  15. ughhh
    ughhh 30 November 2012 11: 25
    +1
    that’s how I feel in myself a thousand-year-old power ...
  16. Volkhov
    Volkhov 30 November 2012 11: 44
    +3
    Gilyarovsky at the beginning of the 20th century, as a journalist, kept a police chronicle and in 1906, among other cases, described the detention of a strange madman on the outskirts of Moscow, who claimed that a railway was laid near Moscow on which an explosion occurred ... the unfortunate was placed in a hospital. In 2003, an explosion occurred in the Moscow metro ...
    Since on Russian kokoshniks ship schemes with reactors suitable for time displacement are found, it is always the correct term. It’s just that Russia in various forms is the basis of earthly civilization, and the universe is larger and agents of external forces conduct their propaganda for the sake of territory. It is quite successful at the moment, even the color of the aircraft is now in the color of their skin.
    Learn physics and choose your time.
  17. chehywed
    chehywed 30 November 2012 12: 22
    0
    [quoteSince on Russian kokoshniks there are ship schemes with reactors suitable for time displacement]
    In the cover !!! laughing
  • 8 company
    8 company 30 November 2012 12: 33
    0
    "to establish the true state of affairs about the Russian people, in the literal sense of the people - the progenitor of the Earth's civilization."

    Well, glory to those, Lord, all the same ancestors are not Ukrainians, but Russians! winked
    1. Sanches
      Sanches 3 December 2012 14: 52
      0
      Ukrainians are told that the ancestors are ukry, the Russians are Russians, the Kazakhs are ancient Kazakhs, in short they inspire people that their people are the most advanced and ancient people in the world, and all around are stupid and backward, and it's hard not to succumb to this flattery. And when everyone starts to bully their nose and spit in the direction of a neighbor, we just face foreheads
  • Chukcha
    Chukcha 30 November 2012 13: 15
    +3
    "The trouble is, if the boots will be sharpened by the pastry, and the shoemaker will bake cakes" - an ancient proverb that is valid to this day))).
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 6 December 2012 21: 15
      0
      When I was little, these were poems. Am I a superstar?
  • Rebus
    Rebus 30 November 2012 14: 02
    +2
    The author, however, an enthusiastic person, writes and does not notice his bloopers
    But on the map of St. Eusenius (about 330 BC) there were already SLAVIC INSCRIPTIONS!

    How can a Christian saint (Eusenius of Caesarea 263-340 AD) draw maps 360-370 years before the advent of Christianity and 590 years before his birth?
    Saxon Grammar in 500 BC says that during Frothon the 3rd, the Rus and the Huns attacked Denmark, the king of the Rus, Olimer, ruled the fleet, and the king of the Huns, the army.

    How can a person born in 1140 AD What to say 1640 years before his birth? The Huns - a union of tribes formed in the II-IV centuries. in the Urals from the Türkic-speaking Huns who migrated in the II century. from Central Asia, and local Ugrians and Sarmatians, who invaded in the 70s of the IV century. n e. to Eastern Europe. The Huns created a huge state from the Volga to the Rhine. Under the commander and ruler Attila, they tried to conquer the entire Romanesque west (mid-fifth century). The center of the territory of the settlement of the Huns was in Pannonia, where the Avars later settled, and then the Hungarians. The Huns simply could not physically conquer Denmark in 500 BC, nor did they exist in Denmark.
    1. volcano
      volcano 30 November 2012 14: 18
      +1
      Quote: Rebus
      neither Denmark nor them yet


      Probably meaning DaKia wink
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 30 November 2012 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: volkan
        Probably meaning DaKia


        Dacia then already existed, but neither Saxon the Grammar nor the Huns existed then. The author is probably a lover of sensations, but at least reliability should be taken care of. smile
  • tambourine 2012
    tambourine 2012 30 November 2012 16: 46
    +1
    "Our people synthesize the thousands of years old wisdom of the East and the business acumen of the West, which has been worked out for centuries." while we synthesize only the government of embezzlers: - ((
  • Black
    Black 30 November 2012 23: 11
    +1
    Zillions - you. We - the darkness and darkness and darkness.
    Try, fight with us!
    Yes, we are Scythians! Yes, Asians - we,
    With slanted and greedy eyes!

    For you - centuries, for us - a single hour.
    We are like obedient slaves
    Holding a shield between two hostile races
    Mongols and Europe! ........

  • Whale
    Whale 1 December 2012 01: 23
    +1
    If it were not for the reform of Peter, then we would have 7520 in our yard.
  • sashka
    sashka 10 December 2012 14: 36
    0
    Recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin visited the ancient Slavic observatory city of Arkaim.
    So well told and suddenly on you .. Immediately take and fuck everything up ..